Tax Tyranny

[nicodemous52]

Founding father’s #1 complaint: Taxes

Founding father’s #2 complaint: over reaching courts



[longfootbuddy]

what gets me, is the only defence the defenders of tyranny have for this theft under threat of violence is, "but if we dont force you to pay tax, nobody would voluntarily pay it"....what kind of stupid assholes think like this? ill tell you who, people that never grew up... they want us all to have authorities manhandling us in adulthood, like they had in childhood.. these idiots believe we should all be forced to do things we dont want...slaves.. non-consenting slaves to lords they set for us

[cesar333]

Taxes are an important function in modern economics. So is borrowing. Taxes and borrowing have been around for thousands of years but this notion that you can stop paying taxes and expect things to still function is just ridiculous. The problems is our military is too big and our health system is corrupt. Cut the military by 30% and revamp medicare where there is less fraud.

[Texasjim2007]

What we need to do is let taxpayers check off which party in Congress they want to authorize control of their tax money. That way each party will have more freedom to set its own priorities for public investments beneficial to their members and nobody will get stuck paying bills for projects they dont want to fund, Right now we have a winner take all spoils system controlled by tax sheltered lobbiests funding attack ad politics,

[dfpolis]

We have representation. So, the video is based on a false premise. In fact US taxes are regressive. Millionaires pay an average of about 17%. Middle class people pay 30-40%. A progressive tax structure is a lie. Lowering US taxes has always benefited the top 2%, but never benefited the average person. GNP has consistently grown more under Dems then Reps. The US debt has grown more under Reps than Dems. Fact check, don't support lies.

[alonsovelasquez]

i'm always amazed by the way people from united states (sorry guys, you are just as "american" as i am, not my fault if your country doesn't have a name but just a definition) get as fundamentalist as islamist when it comes to the economy model that has proven to fail over and over again.

[whiskasalpha]

LOL..

Production of the rich for the rich..

LOL look at eire now?

Who falls for this shit anyway..

[pdynamics1]

If people want taxes to come down, then we should shrink government so there is less demand on our taxes and the need to borrow. The gov't should only provide essential services like police or national defense for example.

What we need to cut are things like foreign aid or arts funding.

[icecoldsenddown]

There is no such thing as a tax higher than 10%. Any government charge higher than 10% is a GRIFT. A grift being a government charge higher than a tax put on by politicians who have abused the governments authority to tax. (grifters)

[vagabonddom]

They should test congress for brain activity.

[PeaceIsRad]

watch "FREEDOM TO FASCISM"

We're not America the free anymore....simply a corporation!

[jahellaspartan]

FOR START! Get rid of the privately owned U.S.money (Federal Reserve Banks owned by international shareholders), based on a fractional reserve system (a system of perpetual debt) breeding constant inflation, forcing to make money out of thin air, which leads to a greater unjust in taxes! If our country was re-introduced in making its own money backed by a standard (like gold & silver) we would eventually find a strong dollar, economy, LOW taxes, and prosperity ...we take back our country!!!

[more5600]

Warren Buffet pays a lower rate of taxation on his income than his secretary.

[filtertiptoe]

Is'nt it amazing how several hundred people around the world can enslave and extort billions of people, i say cut the niceities and lets all do a sparticus on thier asses!

[hd883low17]

HOME TAX CREDIT: its a HOAX by the Obama Govt....just like everything else about Obama...LIES!

I bought my first home...filed my taxes...DENIED the Tax Credit = HOAX

oh but yeah...INMATES are getting theirs? I guess the Federal Prison is considered a HOME???

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[2ndSamuel710]

Mainz 1012, France 1182, Upper Bavaria 1276, England 1290, France 1306 & 1322, Saxony 1349, Hungary 1360, Belgium 1370, Slovakia 1380, France 1394, Austria 1420, Lyons 1420, Cologne 1424, Mainz 1438, Augsburg 1438, Upper Bavaria 1442, Netherlands 1444, Brandenburg 1446, Mainz 1462 & 1483, Warsaw 1483, Spain & Italy 1492, Lithuania 1495, Portugal & Naples 1496, Navarre & Nuremburg 1498, Brandenburg & Prussia 1510, Genoa 1515, Naples 1533. SOME of the 100 times Jews thrown out of countries. Why?

[ParrhesiaJoe]

Taxation is not the primary consideration in the health of a governmental system, but the structure of production promoted by the expenditures of the state. If a Billion dollars is spent on frivilous pursuits, it matters little whether the taxes are collected today or from a future generation. The key is the spending that the government undertakes and the government is BAD at doing this efficiently.

[garryjoker]

What a joke. Im from Ireland and of course a lower rate of tax has hugely helped the economy but that does not prove that a progressive tax system is a bad thing. She also implies that a progressive tax system increases the tax burden on minorities because of race, sex or personal/religious beliefs....thats a joke. Increased burden is put on higher paid employees who can afford to pay more tax, it would be illegal to tax based on race etc..Stupid american girl spreading propaganda.

[ParrhesiaJoe]

She's basicly saying that low taxes are highly correlated with economic prosperity.

The rest is you trivializing that central point with straw men and invective.

She said the government abuses the idea of a progressive tax system. That is true. They keep the laws that make men unfairly wealthy, and then they take a bit of it to feed the sheep.

Fix the laws. Let people keep their stuff, as long as they worked for it fairly. For the corrupt, a reckoning. Redistribute ALL their stuff.

[garryjoker]

"the government abuses the idea of a progressive tax system." In which country are you referring to because this is not true in all countries where a progressive system is practised?

[ParrhesiaJoe]

In general. I would be okay with a country saying 10% for most people, 20% for rich people, etcetera.

But it bounces around. It is never a question of justice. It is always a political decision. We have had uppper tax rates from 0% to 90% in America.

I'm not rooting for rich people, but they are not the root cause here. Bad laws are.

If there is an "ethical" or "moral" rate of taxation, it is never addressed. Governments tax whoever they can, however they can.

[Boethius51250]

@ParrhesiaJoe I believe the Bible shows that ethical taxation is not more than 10%. The reason? God requires 10%. Therefore, for a government to demand more than 10% is akin to saying that they are more important than God. Of course, if you are not a Christian I could see how you might disagree, but I think it sets a very good ethical standard for taxation.

[ParrhesiaJoe]

@Boethius51250 Personally, I would be okay with 10% or 5% or 25%... but it must be spent wisely.. and there is no way to make a politician or the mob act in this way. Better to prevent unreasonable accumulations, so we can say...

"You earned that... fairly... and you may use it how you please."

Insead, we say... "You earned somewhere between 1% and 99% of that money... we're going to take back the part we feel you didn't earn and give it to those we feel are deserving"

[ParrhesiaJoe]

@Boethius51250 And... 10%... when we tithed when I was a kid, we had a very direct say in how our church spent the money. It was direct and the donation was voluntary. That give the Christian tithe a different character than taxation in that the dispersal of funds is directed by the donors.

Personally, I believe we hare honor bound to contribute to the society we live in, but I don't believe that Jesus would equate taxation with tithe.

[ParrhesiaJoe]

@garryjoker Income taxes are a minority of the taxes we pay. We focus on the fact that those taxes are graduated, and we discount the fact that just about every other tax... sales, property, excise... these are more burdensome on the poor.

Our tax system is so complex that it takes studies and tremendous effort to see what ANYONE is actually paying.

Addressing these issues is like piecing together a broken window... sometimes it makes sense to go buy a new window and start over.

[endgame2154]

Paying taxes should be voluntary. That way if we don't like what the government is doing we just refuse to send them any money. By the way we are under far more taxation now then they where during the revolutionary war period.

[Peterwhitlock]

you do not need money! you need your place in a template city among peers and that is all you need!

[KaptainKaka]

lol you keep thinking that. If you dont need money please send me your entire bank account!

[xiola6969]

The reason in America the founding fathers wanted taxes voluntary was this would limit the power of the government, they totally ignored that didn't they, they wanted a small government and limited powers look at what we have now, a Godzilla who keeps holding out his hand asking for more money or he will smash you to jail

[xiola6969]

so godzilla can fight wars in countries we don't even belong or to pay politicians and their drug and prostitute habits and fancy cars and huge mansions, while the rest of us struggle to pay thier bills not ours. This is why taxes where supposed to be voluntary it would keep the government under the control of the people not the other way around, I smell a Real "Tea Party" brewing.

[Peterwhitlock]

money was supposed to not be used too but you guys used it! interest was never to rise over 7% or it be a crime you were to not automate too much and you should of stuxck witrh electric car not go to oil...sheshh a lot of things should and should not of been done and CVAPITALIAM was the worst of them as in crime of traitors against all...like monompolyu you teach your kids to KILL by money!

and thyen all alone the game ends and does nt show how capitalism murdered them one by one!

[KaptainKaka]

You dont understand what capitalism is. What we have now is NOT capitalism. Its Corporatism which is socialized capitalism, but not free market capitalism. If there were no govts to control things, there would be no monopolies in place.

[Peterwhitlock]

Only Americans would complain about taxes rising and in need to double or triple now the traitors have done the evil they wanted PROOF USA failed in Capitalism all together! To save it is to shed Capitalism or it will make world war to blame on others like it did for 911. Even now I see on TV LIARS making saying no raising of taxes if you vote for them...this is IMPOSSIBLE! The USA can't even pay the interest on what it owes and taxes will double and triple due to the evil greed of the few.

[KaptainKaka]

There is no capitalism in the US. Hasn't been since 1913 when the Federal Reserve was unconstitutionally put into power.

[Peterwhitlock]

if you use money you are in a capitalist system! Try to learn the basics in life! Since 1913 theMERCHANTS have been CHEATING and that is still capitalism for capitalism is the ART OF THIEVES to BOTTLENECK and slave by the foundations of the needed things... you can replace all merchants of the planet with MAIL and simply mail things to the people direct and SAVE 70% of all things that exist or MORE! Merchants and politics ae NOT NEEDED and can be made obsolete with a simple village template.

[KaptainKaka]

Its not money though. It has no worth. Its just counterfeited paper. Capitalism requires competition. There is no competition with the federal reserve, therefore it is not capitalism. Its CORPORATISM which is socialized capitalism aka Fascism.

[Peterwhitlock]

It is not counterfeit money!!! it is money based on your money so it steal its worth worth of others.

it is real money but like taking your dollar and cuting it up to make others for them. The credit is the scam..you are offer4ed dreams to build and all but at a price...no community buildings or plans or anything but greedy credit to make slaves to make more slaves and stal more money and power.

[KaptainKaka]

It is counterfeit. FACT. You need to learn more about what you speak of before you start ranting about the money systems and taxes in the US. It is not backed by anything, its just paper, and it is the MAIN reason we have the IRS today. The federal reserve works off of a ponzi scheme and is one of the largest scams next to the IRS, and Social Security that has been running the US into the ground.

[Peterwhitlock]

idiot! it is not counterfit money! it is money based on credit and makes it value on other money and so you are a dunce and need to go back and learn this shit again because you saw it and got it wrong! counterfeit is fake! it is not fake! it is borrowed in a very bad and low morals way off others same as a tick feed on you to fill itself. If it was counterfit no bank of the planet or people would use it! it is evil and it is with out morals but it is worth something even if not full worth!

[KaptainKaka]

Its counterfeit. Look it up. Its fake money. It has no more value than monopoly money. Its paper. Nothing more. They pull a number out their ass and say its worth a certain amount. 1 dollar has no more worth than 100 dollars. It costs about 4 cents to print. The people printing this money ARE THE BANKS. They used to back it by gold and silver up until 1970s. Reason being this country is in massive debt to the federal reserve.

[ParrhesiaJoe]

@KaptainKaka I agree... and to a large extent, the FED enables this reckless spending. The IRS is corrupt, but it is not fundamentally based on corrupt foundations as the Fed is.

Most people don't know that the fed is US Central Bank #3. The first one was passed in a vote trade that moved the nations capital from Pennsylvania to its current position in DC. The first two were declared unconstitutional... the third is in that same process... it's just taking longer.

[Peterwhitlock]

what is the most evil of all is the USA borrowed on the UNBORN after it sold the living and not once did GW Bush (traitor) ever ask anyone if they were willing to sacrifice themselves and all they have to him so he could borrow money in the name of them, and the babies to come USA owes a near impossible debt! It wants a world war now to shed the impossible debt it can't pay.

[ben5017]

When are we as Americans going to get relief from out tyrant leaders in state capitals and DC?

When is our Imperialist foreign policy going to end ... before or after we are truly broke?

[Peterwhitlock]

Simple... learn the word freedom and democray for a change and stop lying about them as the opposite of what they are!

FREEDOM FROM is how freedom works and what you fools call freedom is called random and extreme acts and is not freedom at all but the opposite of freedom.

democracy can't be the 51% because that is 51% dictating to the 49 and so not democracy that NEEDS to divide the people into the groups they are as in pro life with pro life and gay with gays so all have place and no clashes

[JRBeaman]

'boos' s/b 'boost' in comment below.

[JRBeaman]

You cannot tax a country into prosperity, only into slavery. We don't need an income tax. Nor a flat tax, nor a VAT tax, not a 'fair' tax. It's OUR money and we need to spend it the way WE want to, not decided by some ass-hole politician. With more of OUR money in circulation, everyone prospers, proven by how our economy gets a boos when there is a temporary tax cut.

FACT: The graduated income tax does NOT pay for any government service.

It needs to be dropped in total.

Cut spending.

[DobermansRock]

Right on....

[Thetabiz]

Absolutely.

Thank you for being straight on that.

[Peterwhitlock]

you did nt need money! You needed a home equal to all others so you feel ame and not feel rich and poor exists...you would be different!

[KaptainKaka]

lol okay. Well, my tastes probably outshine yours. I don't really want everyone to be the same. In fact I embrace diversity. If everyone was the same, things would be fairly boring. Ive lived in Eastern Europe under communism and socialism, and let me tell you...boring. Nothing but white people who are the same. I don't have a lot of money compared to others either. If you want to live in a commune, then great! However don't force me to live upon your shitty standards.

[leaddrop]

@JRBeaman

I concur Dr.

End the FED.

Abolish the IRS

Obama is a traitor.

[Boethius51250]

@JRBeaman Agreed.

Our system of taxation is Marxist. Graduated income taxes keep people from accumulating wealth. Those who do accumulate wealth are taxed at their death, preventing generational-wealth transfer. All the while, property taxes turn every land owner into a renter from the government. Of course, this property tax is used to fund the public schools which indoctrinate the next generation to accept such conditions. So, in less than 500 characters, are 4 of 10 Marxist Manifesto planks.

[DaveEZ2009]

I've thought of a third sense of economics. does anyone think that this recession is going to get bigger and is long lasting no matter what and that neither the free market nor government can fix it?

it seems like an odd theory, but the crisis is around the world,&it's not like we are going to start a drafted war after Vietnam the way we did with WWII.

the argument that govt will step in& magically fix the economy is ridiculous

but so is the notion that the free market will magically fix itself

[odalrich]

It is true that Ireland has the second highest income per capita (at least in theory) in Europe, but the social services,transportation,etc leave out a lot to be desired.

[steevmoor]

My GOSH! Living in this country is like living in a frat house with a bunch of dead beats who want to buy their game systems and flat-screens with the rent money! They all say "It's MY money!" and I say "YOU'RE LIVING IN THIS HOUSE! PAY THE RENT!" They say "what about the guys living in the basement? They don't pay rent!" and I say "THEY LIVE IN THE BASEMENT WITH FRIKIN RATS! GO LIVE WITH EM IF YOU DON'T WANT TO PAY RENT!"

[MarkDouglasC]

Who has to pay more?

Workers - especially self employed -- already pay very high taxes.

[PeaceIsRad]

Tax is enslavement pure and simple!

Watch FREEDOM TO FASCSIM

Wake UP!!!!

[azrael8585]

Remember the protests in Seattle a few years ago? They were leftists. Remember the masks, destruction, intimidation and chaos?

Most news outlets excused it, saying these radical leftists had serious grievances? But when people on the right decide to protest they have a fit, they denigrate, humiliate and scorn them.

Guess where they learned this from...Obama mentor and idol Saul Alinsky. The lefts aproach to honest debate is to shout down the opposition.

[irishimp2]

I agree wholeheartedly! My sister, a socialist, keeps claiming that the rich need to pay more. When I asked her if she stood in line for the socialized medicine in Spain her response was typical, "What! I have my own private doctor!"

[MarkDouglasC]

Utter nonsense. The only ones paying high taxes are those who WORK for it, who get earned income. Yes, some of them are very rich, and they get screwed-- cause they WORKED for it.  The people who escape most or all taxes, are those who get UNEARNED income - cap gains, leverage buy outs, dirivities, naked shorts.

God bless all income, but quit screwing those who work for it. And quit believing these sneaking bastarks who lie to you about taxes. This video is misleading nonsense.

[steevmoor]

After poring over material related to taxes and economics, I have come to a conclusion. We all need to pay higher taxes. It's not about what's right or wrong anymore - it's about whether this country will fail or succeed.

Let's face it anyone who wants to cut the old lonely widow's social security and medicare is seen as a bastard. Anyone who wants to cut military is seen as a coward. BUT WE HAVE TO PAY FOR IT! We've just lived for 8 years in a pipe dream! It's time to pay our BILLS YO!

[kev3d]

You assume that the widow's affairs and the military's expenditures cannot be made more efficient or in some cases, partially or completely privatized. The US public school system is almost completely socialist, unionized, standardized and regulated yet it is a tremendous failure. And we are to pay MORE of OUR money into that system? How about we spend our money how we want to spend it rather than continue to fund the beast of increasingly complex, abusive and inefficient government.

[steevmoor]

What I assume is that we can't streamline our way out of 55,000,000,000,000 in unmet commitments. Privatized or not, the money commitment is there and whether it is a flat tax, a fair tax, or income tax, the money has to come out of our pockets at some point.

Right now we are giving big programs and small gov. taxes. Kill the programs or PAY FOR THEM but DON'T pass a stinkin $8,000,000,000,000 of Medicare with no way to pay for it.

We need Pay Go for EVERY dollar in our spending budget.

[kev3d]

Obviously, kill the unneeded programs and slash all other programs to the point of absolute necessity. Replace the ridiculous ponzi scheme social security. Legalize generic pharmaceuticals, reduce the FDA to test safety only and end costly prohibition. Of course, stop dicking around with the free market and turning hiccup downturns into full blown recessions. If a gov. cannot pay for something it will have to tighten its belt like everything else. Writing a blank check is not the answer.

[kev3d]

Oh yeah, I almost forgot; DRASTICALLY reduce the salaries and benefits for elected officials. Those assholes got us into this mess, its fair they feel the same sting they have so unjustly inflicted upon Joe and Jane taxpayer.

[MarkDouglasC]

Don't believe anything these people tell you about taxes -- they distort everything.

[BBCater]

Translation: Those who think that "taxation" (paying what you EARN to a government that simply EXPECTS it) are just emasculated cowards who can't do what they hold in such jealous esteem. Cowards and communists. "I can't - so YOU pay". It didn't work on the playground, and you're still a panzy who can't take the hill. Grow up, change your pants, and try again, sissy. The bedwetting sect, magnified.

[BBCater]

How can ANYONE with an OUNCE of brain matter not understand this? If the government TAXES people for success, they are PUNISHING accomplishment. Don't think in BILLIONS. Think in terms of kids selling lemonade. One kid makes really lousy lemonade and his sales stink. Another kid makes GREAT lemonade, and everyone wants it. You are PUNISHING that kid for doing something good in order to subsidize the kid who didn't. And this is good, HOW?

Anyone who thinks that taxes are GOOD is nonproductive.

[cesar333]

@BBCater How do you even expect the government to funtion?? No taxes means every thing you use everyday would be gone or non existent. What you would rely on some nice big corporation to protect you?? Most of your taxes go to areas of the government that are designed to protect you. If not, someone nice big corporation would pollute your water supply, or shit in your burger. It sounds like you already fell into the conservative trap.

[BBCater]

@cesar333 I DON'T expect the government to "function" - not by YOUR definition. The government that governs BEST is the government that governs the LEAST.

"Most of your taxes go to areas of government that are designed to protect you".

Really? Did you actually post that drivel? Do you have ANY CLUE how the government spends OUR money? 46% (46 cents on the dollar) are currently being spent on Human Resources, General Government Maintenance, and Salaries. That leaves 54% to "protect" us.

[BBCater]

@cesar333 How would it make you feel if "some nice big corporation" was spending $.46 of every dollar you paid them on "fluff"? The average corporate margin (profit) is 5-7%. The government is a bloated-goat of ill spent funds, and they DARE to attack business as the "evil" of the world. There is certainly SOME corporate guilt, but compared to Congress, they are SAINTS.

[cesar333]

@BBCater Congress is only as honest as the people who elect them. Its the american way of life now. "its all about me and how much can i get paid for it" The government is no exception. Are taxes high? Sure, they are. But dont feed people this stuff with small government. We have seen examples when corporations run wild. Enron, world com, AIG. People response is larger oversight. You people cannot be trusted to govern yourselves.

[cesar333]

@BBCater No you are not being punished for success. You are being taxed because of the opportunity that you were given to achieve that success. Try making a million dollars in china or india.

[mrfrymcflubbs]

Taking John Marshall completely out of context. The court case involved a state government's (I believe it was Maryland) ability to tax the national bank, which was the federal government. John Marshall was talking about unreasonable taxes that are meant to break institutions. The real question was, did the states have the right to tax the federal government. BTW, the income tax as we think of today did not exist during Marshall's time. Check facts before looking like an idiot.

[us3rnayme]

yes, higher tax rates for the wealthy just makes them stop working and investing... you do know that is absolute bull shit right? How about the part you conveniently left out about how the high tax rate is intentionally set so that tax breaks for good behavior offset and engineer direct responsibility without the need of govt intervention.

Cunt.

[danbolling]

Sounds like government intervention to me commy bastard

[threelegduck]

taxing those tities? tis tantamount to treason!

[davidmesaaz]

High tax countries are uncompetitive so they want to level the playing field and make everyone uncompetitive.

High tax states such as Michigan Mass. and Calif. are losing residents. Losing business to lower tax states in the south and the southwest..

[greenaquarium]

i agree obama will hike taxes and 1 rich people who make this country work who supply jobs will go away to other places and hide thier money so nancy and them cant get it 2 govt REVENUE from taxes WILL go DOWN when taxes go UP

[davidmesaaz]

Taxes don't redistribute wealth they redistribute people...

[suilbup1776]

right wing? how is this right wing? taxes effect everyone. greed? you have a right to your property sir! the role of government is to protect it, not take it and give it to some one else.

[BaronVonTrout]

They think anything that might take the power away from the government and protect the people is right wing. People don't see that the government greed is no better then individual greed. The government is nothing more then a monopoly with an army that takes your income without just compensation or willing exchange.

[Peterwhitlock]

No, you do not have the right to claim any such thing as it belongs to humanity, not you!l The very root of evil is to make evil deals to claims and make things that are junk! You houses village, cities, all junk! You build like monkeys! I look on your world and it is insultingly NOT using the given perfection in housing my kind gave you off the bat! You did not obey, and act like apes slaved then know not you are slaved fools. I shame for all humanity that can't build a village right yet.

[pasatio]

A hot chick that knows freedom...that is too good...

[lgregori]

More right-wing organ grinding. Greed has many guises, and this is yet another.

[thomasdosborneii]

Great video! People need to understand this. I am impressed by the example of Ireland; they really took the bull by the horns and genuinely solved their major problems. "Tax harmonization" is merely a "touchy-feely" word for "socialism". I would have thought Europeans would have learned this lesson, but stupidity renews with each generation.