How come you didn't post details on the setup of both PS3/360? Are they both HDMI? both are known to add a little input lag under HDMI output. Component is better, if one were component and one were HDMI, that'd account for 'about 2 frames' of difference between them.
@MrDeapGamingMedia Yeah no worries. I didn't find this to be that informative because of the method used (no unified controller for both) and you didn't specify the details. But I searched some Japanese blogs which verified your claims here so :)
@Chronospherics This and they should be run on a CRT TV or computer monitor. The input lag would be found to be less than a frame (16.67ms) and make no difference to any human eye. This demonstration shows the input lag before either reacts is larger than the difference between the 2.
Can someone help me please, I recently have problems with serious input lag with my ps3. I have a Philips ambilight tv, and every setting is on game-mode, so I shouldn't have the input lag, but it doesn't help. Does someone know what to do? Cause it's impossible to play :(
Only complete morons would say that this isn't informative! If you actually PLAY THEY GAME....let's say you play on the xbox...which is FASTER.. and you know the timing on a lot of the characters combos and you have the ability to react to what they're doing at the last second...or you use a lot of one frame combos. Then you go to a tournament run on a PS3 and cant do sh*t because the timing is off. That is a very big deal.
I've been playing the PS3 for a long time and never get the chance to fiddle much with the Xbox 360. Sorry to say this but it seems what the video has proven is true that PS3 runs slower than Xbox 360, also there are other sources that say the same so I may think of actually getting an Xbox 360.
I will get a 360 for ssfiv ae, but not because of this...its because i get horizontal thin lines across the screen on ps3 especially on deserted temple and drive in at night stage dunno why, but ill buy a 360 and see if the lines are still there. I hope the tv screen is not broken, it could be the hdmi cable but i doubt that cuz i tried with Av cable and same horizontal lines appeared.
@DragonfallCIA Cause PS3 / PC sticks work on PS3s, not 360s. So to play on 360s would leave more than 2/3 of the community having to purchase new controllers or consoles.
Fighters generally are considerably more popular on PS3.
Its sad to hear that 3rd strike online on psn has some input lag. I hope the 360 3rd strike does not share the same problem. Oh and nice music, its from Fullmetal Alchemist right?
MrDeaps video is accurate. There are others now using a much more controlled comparison by wiring the controllers together simultaneously. A video comparing the Hori RAPV vs the Mad Catz TE sticks using the same technique also shows hardware discrepancies at the controller level
this vid is 100% TRUE & even in other vids you see people change their play style because of this. When I play on PS3 I wiff often or hit late & on 360 I'm on point, also I notice the delay in both but PS3 is worse. I play it safe (turtle) on ps3 but I'm agressive on 360 w/ Guile of all characters.
stupid video....the guy doesnt even push the button at the same time cmon!!! besides if you change resolution or video norm (pal ntsc) ... everthing changes.... also: Is not the same: push one button than an entire complex quantity of movements making gamepads or joysticks process more information producing delay... just lame video.....You want more? - The human eye only sees 20 frames per second and the game gives yo 75 to 50 frames.... what is 2 frames more or less xD LAMEEEEEEE!!!!
Almost every thing you wrote is incorrect lol you're seriously saying there's no difference between a 30 FPS game and a 60 FPS game? This guy was on point on almost every button press and yeah when you actually know how to play the game, in a game that is based almost entirely on frame input, 2 frames can make all the difference.
@lordwindowlicker there are combo links that require strict timing, like one frame links. If your input occurs 2 frames later than when you inputted it then that means you have lag. Which gives you less time to react and you are forced to stick with safe attacks or to fully commit on a guess that the previous attack connected.
@lordwindowlicker Capcom's statement said all SSFIV are suppose to have a 5 frame input delay. The 360 ver has 6 delay and PS3 has 7-8 delay. That's a huge imperfection that was released twice, vanilla and super.
I've played it on Ps3, as well as PC and 360. If there is a lag.. then I haven't noticed. It's hardly an imperfection.
What you need to know is that MrDerp is a massive 360 troll who lives to try and attack Ps3. He's saying that this is the fault of the Ps3 hardware. Now, I'm no Sony fanboy (although he'd argue that I am), but he's still a massive tool about it.
@lordwindowlicker I do believe the PS3 is the superior hardware, but it's difficult to develop games for. So multi-platform games are developed with the 360 first so it gets more compatible coding which is unfair to PS3 owners as we still pay the same price with. Right now, I'm annoyed with the developers focusing more on the 360 than the PS3. If we buy their game on one system, then we should at least get a discount for the game on another system.
@chau2k5 It's not really superior if it can't run SF4 with optimum frames. Don't blame the coding, that's just an excuse. The ps3 has half the Ram that the xbox does. That effects many things, textures and shadows are the most noticeable weaknesses on the PS3. Shadows look disgusting. I remember when I first bought drakes fortune, It looked good except the shadows. Now before you call me a fanboy. Know that i have all 3 systems and a comp, anything i have said is just from what I have seen.
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Seriously who gives a fuck, you system fan boys are out to make xbox or ps3 look bad, but in the end of the day sony and microsoft doesnt give two shits about you, just your money....
@TheGreatXavier Im going to asume you can read. Re-read my comment and see if I'm defending a specific system, I said " you system fan boys are out to make xbox or ps3 look bad" By adding the "or" I'm speaking of the xbox and ps3 fan boys who hate on each other. I'll dumb it down for you...all fanboys are losers to defend a system or a company who just cares about your money. Were you able to comprehend that?
@SolidEve I'm going to assume you're not an elitist douche bag that blows up at the smallest mistake even though YOU were the one talking down to the uploader. Yes I can read, can you get off your high horse and make something out of your life? huh internet tough guy? Stop looking for videos to bash, no one likes those people man. And show some courtesy, Youtube fucking needs some.
@TheGreatXavier Well I probably wouldn't went off on yo bitch ass if you didn't reply to a comment made months ago which wasn't a comment directed at the uploader. I was refering to all the other dumbasses commenting on the video about which is better. I got a life hoe ass bitch. I work, go to school, get high and enjoy that bitch. If anybody doesn't have a life it's you. You comment on some shit over 5 months ago and still mis-interpret it. Take it easy kid hope you have a nice life...
@SolidEve Well it is important to show people that control respond is important in a game, Sure you can enjoy hmmm graphic? Well to be able to be on control is more important & it also make the game last longer..
@MrDeap I understand where you're coming from. I'm not talking down on your video or motive. I was just saying that fanboy shit is really gay and stupid. This video is most informal.
why put videos like this on youtube, all haters gonna do is troll it to death. this is a good find. my ps3 is collecting major dust. but die hard ps fans are gonna eat shit like this alive.
it's nothing new, the ps3 does lag a little(mrdeep is not the only one who did this) compare with the 360, im not sure if that would affect your gameply, but as far as I know, most top tier players go with xbox on this game even in japan where nobody likes xbox.
You slowed the right side down if this was a actual compasion wheres Dan on the left video? oh wait thats right hes not there cause you don't wanna show how much you edited the time on the right.
there has been tests on multiple output sources in a secure environment where the PS3/XBOX 360 is put up against each other and found to be no different. Then again there are other tests on the same source and NOT in a secure environment which show that PS3 has up to 1 frame of delay more than the 360. In the end none of it matters when there are 5~frames of lag when playing on the consoles, if you truly want to play frame lag free, go to an arcade.
@kenzzzhou And before I forget, might I add that I play non-exclusives on my PC (the ones that ARE released on PC), apart from games like SF, which have a largar playerbase on the consoles.
Also, PS3 owners are quite proud of Killzone 2 themselves, in case you haven't noticed. I have it myself. It's a shame it stopped getting patched.
I was born a catholic, doesn't mean I have to believe in God. I have a Ps3, but I still have two fucking eyes. The xbox 360 has better developed versions. Shame.
@DemihumanGosu First of all, you don't have to do anything. But for whatever reason if you dislike your PS3, then there's something wrong with you. Secondly, it's the developer's fault that they can't invest the proper time into developing a game which they should. Yes while it is true that a lot of the cross plats run better on the 360 due to the PS3 version being the ported version, but who can you fault for that?
You don't have to get so mad for my harmless little comment, chill out.
@MrDeap is this a reply to my original comment, or a reply to my reply @DemihumanGosu.
It's a faulty hardware/software made by faulty people. If you were unaware of how the business world works, I hope you ask around for the conflict of interest between the engineering department and the marketing department, it'll probably enlighten you a bit in this broad topic.
@kenzzzhou And it's not even the developers' fault. It's sony's. Read an article on Saturn vs Playstation, and you'll understand why. Google it. It's the exact same shit. Saturn was a top notch console with retarded SDK. Developers could barely push the console to the limits since it was so fucking hard to develop for it.
The xbox360 is not good for its exclusives. Fuck that. I hate halo and gears of war.
It's good for the non-exclusive versions that run better.
@DemihumanGosu its not good for its exclusives because you say so? lol, well i and millions around the world think its great for its exclusives.. gow, forza... umm so is the ps3 which i also have.
@yahoo1o1 The bit about exclusives is an opinion of mine. Overall, I consider the console better for the non-exclusive games running better on it. One of the few games that actually runs better on PS3, Final Fantasy 14, is unfortunately horrible.
I had high hopes for it, and pre-ordered it like so many people. But there'll always be someone loving the ugly.
Other than that... The majority ends up being well made on the X360. It's a shame, really. Good ol' PS2 times.
@DemihumanGosu lol you are one of the biggest xbox fanboys i have seen on the internet multi platform games dont mean a thing when showcasing the power of a console just look at uncharted 2 and god of war 3 you cant judge the ps3 by multi platform games because 80% of the time the devs half ass ps3 version of the game so all your points are invalid and lastly quit pretending that you own a ps3 so your dumbass opinions can sound valid
@Denshuu It is easier for tournament play, the 360 has some strange stuff when unplugging and plugging in and you have to return to the main menu and some other odd stuff. So most tournaments are run on PS3 where you just reassign the controller number to 1 or 2 and go.
I have the game on PS3 and deeply regret having one (except for MGS4).
X360, apart from the horrendous hardware failures, has proven time and time again to have the better versions of non-exclusive games with some really rare exceptions.
@Timbaland101 hey fuckhead, the cannon brothers (guys who run evo) were given a bunch of ps3s by namco and/or sony helped sponsor it. that's the only reason why. ps3 mvc3, ssf4ae, and now 3sOE all run like doodoo on ps3
@DemihumanGosu You're not fooling anyone with your argument, any sane PS3 owner would not be bashing on their system because it is simply amazing, one of the best 300 bucks ANYONE can spend. Xbox 360 is a pitiful PC wannabe with all it's shooter games to entertain 10 year old kids who can't afford to buy a decent PC. Though I do like how you worded your comment to make it sound as if the hardware failure was no big deal.
@kenzzzhou Do you want a picture of my PS3? I'll gladly take it and e-mail it to you just to mock your idiocy, with me right by the console flipping you a finger. Or mooning you, still in doubt which one I should try.
You're a retarded fanboy. I WILL get an xbox 360 when I have the cash, hence being able to play both consoles. The x360 is better for non-exclusive games. Lensoftruth as proven that time and time again. Stop sucking dick and get a grip.
Good video, but you should pause your recording between takes. Even though both the monitor and the camera are recording at 60fps, both devices aren't going to go evenly frame to frame with each other. What results is difference in button pressing with consistently timed frames.
I've tried this test, and about 3/4 of the time I got 1 frame difference, the rest were split between 2 and 1 freak test where I got 0.
I've actually noticed this a long time ago since I play at the store I work at on 360 and online at home on ps3, the links to combos are way easier in the x360 with no input lag.
to prove this thoroughly youd need to customize a stick that plugs into and works on both systems that are both plugged into the same TV that can do split screen. 2 different button presses synced via video editing duznt cut it
This is actually pretty common knowledge. This has nothing to do with console wars or anything. Apparently, there is an input delay involved with the USB of the PS3 ports. If people can enjoy the game with the input delay, then more power to them I suppose. I think this is the reason why Japanese pros play online on the Xbox 360.
Not saying I disagree with this since I've always known there is a difference between the 2 consoles, but this is a very un-scientific test. You have to rig up an LED light to your joysticks so that we know the exact frame you pressed the button. You should also make the attacks connect with the opponent so we can see the first hit frame of the attack. Also, you don't list what video camera you used on this test. It doesn't look to be a 60fps camera with all the frame blending going on.
Although this is an unreliable test, it is clear that the is input lag between both versions of SSF4. The Only players that is doesn't apply to are people who plays characters that have baby combos. 2 frame lag is a big difference for characters with multiple 1 frame links.
For casual gamers, it doesn't make a difference. For a lot of competitors who use one frame links, it could depending on the system we're more used to.
@DboiKidCrisis They are press at the same time, use virtualdub & download the video provided on the megaupload link in the info. You can see frame per frame with Virtualdub. The downloadable video run at 1080P60 & only 7.5MB.
It's hard to see on youtube how they are press at the same time, but show a the overview difference.
Hurray to those of us who can close their eyes and do their combos....this shit wouldn't bother me a bit. Online doesn't, unless its a grossly poor connection. If you can do the combo in training mode, you should be able to do it online. Unless you've got no rhythm or you have very poor muscle memory. Which most people do. Remember this motion F D DF + PPP ***SHOOORRYUUKEN*** wins games, scrub it up.
This is pretty useful to know given that most tournaments will be using HDMI cables. I'd definitely like to see one with a CRT test as well. Good stuff
@ShawnMcCool You don't need a CRT. This is test not about TV lag. It is about system lag. As long as the TV and configuration used is the same for both consoles, it remains a constant in both tests.
@ShawnMcCool It's no less scientific than the standard methods people use to determine flat-panel input lag. A number of tests, with video/photos, documented, tallied, compared and averaged. Labeling it as unscientific doesn't eliminate the frankly damning results we can see above. Anyway, as others have pointed out, this real-life result is the reason why competition-level SF4 is not played on the PS3, even in Japan. Btw, 33ms of lag is a lot - enough to kill any LCD TV's gaming prospects.
i always knew xbox was better now im going to trade in my fuckin piece of trash ps3 for microsoft points and yes i will finaly buy the new alternative costumes ssf4
props for the Fullmetal Alchemist music in slow motion
interesting video but when i play online every now and then I find a freak who almost never misses any link combos and when I practice I don't feel any delay of my inputs and there could be many factors causing the difference between the versions
Realistically this wont really make that much difference, if your playing on 360 your links should be tigher on ps3 cus of the input lag. Interesting to see.
SSf4 online on ps3 is horrible though 360 version beats it hands down which is a shame. Capcom suck at netcoding imo
@TargetRenegade69 I doubt people are playing mostly on timing. The combo are done based the spark animation of the game. It's enough to screw up combo, especially the super move at the end.
its not even the netcoding there, its mainly because majority of the people on psn use Wifi, and with a good amount using Ethernet, problem is Wifi causes more latency and dropped connections from packet loss.
You know, I play on the 360, and I always wondered my inputs always felt a little off when I played in PS3 tournaments for games like SF4 & Blazblue. Now I know it wasn't just simply me playing poorly. Now I know I have to account for it the next time I enter. Informative video. Thanks!
Interesting.But that beyond human reflex.You go wayy to much into.i can still perform every 1 frame combo and i'm pretty sure evo don't get screwed because of this.
@MangaVoltage you will if you play on xbox and then go to a PS3 tournament. Even with plinking it's a 2 frame disadvantage, meaning it's out of plinking range since it acts on the 3rd frame.
Oh that's horrible, two frames of delay in addition to the ones you get from playing online, I bet I'm playing most of my matches with around 100 ms of delay.
Well at least I know that if I'll ever play offline on 360 I'll be able to display superhuman reaction times :D
whats that track? :O epic one..!
antiRuka 1 month ago
does this happen on every ps3 game with every controller? if so... damn
Timic83tc 1 month ago
How come you didn't post details on the setup of both PS3/360? Are they both HDMI? both are known to add a little input lag under HDMI output. Component is better, if one were component and one were HDMI, that'd account for 'about 2 frames' of difference between them.
Chronospherics 2 months ago
@Chronospherics Display Panasonic TC-32LZ800(best gaming HDTV ever made so far)
Official Madcatz Tournament edition stick for the specific system
Output is 720P for both system.
MrDeapGamingMedia 2 months ago
@MrDeapGamingMedia Yeah no worries. I didn't find this to be that informative because of the method used (no unified controller for both) and you didn't specify the details. But I searched some Japanese blogs which verified your claims here so :)
Chronospherics 2 months ago
@Chronospherics This and they should be run on a CRT TV or computer monitor. The input lag would be found to be less than a frame (16.67ms) and make no difference to any human eye. This demonstration shows the input lag before either reacts is larger than the difference between the 2.
GodwinsLaw66 1 week ago
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Can someone help me please, I recently have problems with serious input lag with my ps3. I have a Philips ambilight tv, and every setting is on game-mode, so I shouldn't have the input lag, but it doesn't help. Does someone know what to do? Cause it's impossible to play :(
DieVietnameesje95 2 months ago
Only complete morons would say that this isn't informative! If you actually PLAY THEY GAME....let's say you play on the xbox...which is FASTER.. and you know the timing on a lot of the characters combos and you have the ability to react to what they're doing at the last second...or you use a lot of one frame combos. Then you go to a tournament run on a PS3 and cant do sh*t because the timing is off. That is a very big deal.
Nadjuset 3 months ago
Does the resolution output affect the frames in this case? Would the upscaling reduce performance like that?
angryheretic 4 months ago
I really, really don't care about the video itself, but could you share the music?
boytiger3 4 months ago
And is that purely hardware or could it be fixed with a firmware update ?
MagniXAriaste 4 months ago
操，你兩邊的色差都不一樣，看背景就知道了肏
LAMKUBE 4 months ago
I've been playing the PS3 for a long time and never get the chance to fiddle much with the Xbox 360. Sorry to say this but it seems what the video has proven is true that PS3 runs slower than Xbox 360, also there are other sources that say the same so I may think of actually getting an Xbox 360.
Gangalore 5 months ago
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I will get a 360 for ssfiv ae, but not because of this...its because i get horizontal thin lines across the screen on ps3 especially on deserted temple and drive in at night stage dunno why, but ill buy a 360 and see if the lines are still there. I hope the tv screen is not broken, it could be the hdmi cable but i doubt that cuz i tried with Av cable and same horizontal lines appeared.
CossieSnesBasement 5 months ago
That sounds like a song from Fullmetal Alchemist. I guess that lag may have some benefit to it. Such as slighty faster reaction times.
TheRealDVO 5 months ago
Epic music is epic
nbeope 6 months ago
This is legit. Why are PS3s tournament standard?
DragonfallCIA 6 months ago
@SolidEve, @kenzzzhou, @lordwindowlicker & @Industriajor:
Deny it all you want, guys. The 360 version of this game is flawless compared to the PS3 version.
@DragonfallCIA:
Because they're dumb enough to not realize that there are also superior versions of fighting games on 360.
WizardOfWor 5 months ago
@DragonfallCIA Cause PS3 / PC sticks work on PS3s, not 360s. So to play on 360s would leave more than 2/3 of the community having to purchase new controllers or consoles.
Fighters generally are considerably more popular on PS3.
Chronospherics 2 months ago
@Chronospherics 360 sticks also work for PCs. In fact in my experience they work better, without having to manually install drivers
DragonfallCIA 2 months ago
Its sad to hear that 3rd strike online on psn has some input lag. I hope the 360 3rd strike does not share the same problem. Oh and nice music, its from Fullmetal Alchemist right?
dantebeow 6 months ago
The 63 dislikes are PS3 players.
AzpecTProductionz 6 months ago
I think Dan is getting bored.
Swiffers 6 months ago
MrDeaps video is accurate. There are others now using a much more controlled comparison by wiring the controllers together simultaneously. A video comparing the Hori RAPV vs the Mad Catz TE sticks using the same technique also shows hardware discrepancies at the controller level
poosniffer 6 months ago
I like the music.
gaara1227 7 months ago
who cares,xbox still suck any,lol pew pew pew games
ken007avv 8 months ago
Thumbs up if you liked the FMA song better than another boring outdated console war attempt.
SpareMeYourNonSense 8 months ago
The song sounds so familiar, where is it frooooooommmmmmm?
Akabane69 8 months ago
@Akabane69 Full Metal Alchemist!
SpareMeYourNonSense 8 months ago
@SpareMeYourNonSense OMG SO IT IS~~ Rofl~ Thanks~
Akabane69 8 months ago
What's the name of the song, also PC master race reporting in.
WertzOne 10 months ago
this vid is 100% TRUE & even in other vids you see people change their play style because of this. When I play on PS3 I wiff often or hit late & on 360 I'm on point, also I notice the delay in both but PS3 is worse. I play it safe (turtle) on ps3 but I'm agressive on 360 w/ Guile of all characters.
mckinley1300 10 months ago
stupid video....the guy doesnt even push the button at the same time cmon!!! besides if you change resolution or video norm (pal ntsc) ... everthing changes.... also: Is not the same: push one button than an entire complex quantity of movements making gamepads or joysticks process more information producing delay... just lame video.....You want more? - The human eye only sees 20 frames per second and the game gives yo 75 to 50 frames.... what is 2 frames more or less xD LAMEEEEEEE!!!!
Industriajor 10 months ago
@Industriajor
Almost every thing you wrote is incorrect lol you're seriously saying there's no difference between a 30 FPS game and a 60 FPS game? This guy was on point on almost every button press and yeah when you actually know how to play the game, in a game that is based almost entirely on frame input, 2 frames can make all the difference.
mord3030 10 months ago
To measure a frame you should use more precise equipment. This measure is innaccurate.
Nagrandt 10 months ago
Capcom still hasn't patched this?
chau2k5 1 year ago
nice musik
benkenza 1 year ago
Your test is shit, Mr Deap. How do we even know you're on the level?
Even if you are, who cares about 2 frames?
lordwindowlicker 1 year ago
@lordwindowlicker there are combo links that require strict timing, like one frame links. If your input occurs 2 frames later than when you inputted it then that means you have lag. Which gives you less time to react and you are forced to stick with safe attacks or to fully commit on a guess that the previous attack connected.
chau2k5 1 year ago
@chau2k5
I'm aware, and I've owned SF4 since day one. I've had no issues with inputting ANY attacks.
Mr Deap is a massive troll, and a toolbox.
lordwindowlicker 11 months ago
@lordwindowlicker Capcom's statement said all SSFIV are suppose to have a 5 frame input delay. The 360 ver has 6 delay and PS3 has 7-8 delay. That's a huge imperfection that was released twice, vanilla and super.
chau2k5 11 months ago
@chau2k5
I've played it on Ps3, as well as PC and 360. If there is a lag.. then I haven't noticed. It's hardly an imperfection.
What you need to know is that MrDerp is a massive 360 troll who lives to try and attack Ps3. He's saying that this is the fault of the Ps3 hardware. Now, I'm no Sony fanboy (although he'd argue that I am), but he's still a massive tool about it.
lordwindowlicker 11 months ago
@lordwindowlicker I see what you mean. MrDeap tells some facts, but shows bullshit evidence
chau2k5 11 months ago
@lordwindowlicker I do believe the PS3 is the superior hardware, but it's difficult to develop games for. So multi-platform games are developed with the 360 first so it gets more compatible coding which is unfair to PS3 owners as we still pay the same price with. Right now, I'm annoyed with the developers focusing more on the 360 than the PS3. If we buy their game on one system, then we should at least get a discount for the game on another system.
chau2k5 11 months ago
@chau2k5 It's not really superior if it can't run SF4 with optimum frames. Don't blame the coding, that's just an excuse. The ps3 has half the Ram that the xbox does. That effects many things, textures and shadows are the most noticeable weaknesses on the PS3. Shadows look disgusting. I remember when I first bought drakes fortune, It looked good except the shadows. Now before you call me a fanboy. Know that i have all 3 systems and a comp, anything i have said is just from what I have seen.
terran236 9 months ago
@lordwindowlicker Like how when you buy Portal 2 on PS3 you get a free PC digital copy off of Steam. Sierra kicks ass for that
chau2k5 11 months ago
The song made me lol'd hard at the Ps3 failure to network.
Dragorro 1 year ago
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Seriously who gives a fuck, you system fan boys are out to make xbox or ps3 look bad, but in the end of the day sony and microsoft doesnt give two shits about you, just your money....
SolidEve 1 year ago
@SolidEve This is a benchmark test. You are off topic.
MrDeap 1 year ago 30
@SolidEve wow someones butt hurt about their ps3 XD either way i think this is not to say ps3 is worse its just got two frames of input lag.
TheGreatXavier 7 months ago
@TheGreatXavier Im going to asume you can read. Re-read my comment and see if I'm defending a specific system, I said " you system fan boys are out to make xbox or ps3 look bad" By adding the "or" I'm speaking of the xbox and ps3 fan boys who hate on each other. I'll dumb it down for you...all fanboys are losers to defend a system or a company who just cares about your money. Were you able to comprehend that?
SolidEve 7 months ago
@SolidEve I'm going to assume you're not an elitist douche bag that blows up at the smallest mistake even though YOU were the one talking down to the uploader. Yes I can read, can you get off your high horse and make something out of your life? huh internet tough guy? Stop looking for videos to bash, no one likes those people man. And show some courtesy, Youtube fucking needs some.
TheGreatXavier 7 months ago
@TheGreatXavier Well I probably wouldn't went off on yo bitch ass if you didn't reply to a comment made months ago which wasn't a comment directed at the uploader. I was refering to all the other dumbasses commenting on the video about which is better. I got a life hoe ass bitch. I work, go to school, get high and enjoy that bitch. If anybody doesn't have a life it's you. You comment on some shit over 5 months ago and still mis-interpret it. Take it easy kid hope you have a nice life...
SolidEve 7 months ago
@SolidEve Well it is important to show people that control respond is important in a game, Sure you can enjoy hmmm graphic? Well to be able to be on control is more important & it also make the game last longer..
MrDeap 7 months ago
@MrDeap I understand where you're coming from. I'm not talking down on your video or motive. I was just saying that fanboy shit is really gay and stupid. This video is most informal.
SolidEve 7 months ago
@SolidEve But god lord the PS3 is an horrible system overall. Sorry to spoil your post, lol.
MrDeap 7 months ago
@MrDeap You just couldn't leave it at that could you -______-
SolidEve 7 months ago
@SolidEve it affects the timing of your moves execution? right? especially combos.
rabbitmickey82 6 months ago
if you put your ps3 to the native setting of the game (720p) does it still have the same issue?
mackinzie 1 year ago
So many variables...
Inputs, screen settings on the consoles, different controllers, button presses..
Too much uncertainty indeed.
metalight1dk 1 year ago
why put videos like this on youtube, all haters gonna do is troll it to death. this is a good find. my ps3 is collecting major dust. but die hard ps fans are gonna eat shit like this alive.
757popem 1 year ago
the truth
xbox = ssf4 better
ps3 = tekken better
and this video is just stupid but its true that ps3 ssf4 has more frames and lag than xbox
renefak 1 year ago
@renefak Tekken is better on the 360.
MrDeap 1 year ago
@MrDeap check other video then you will know
i have both version and ofcourse the xbox version faster than ps3 just a little but here we are talking about frames
anyway check other video then you will know
renefak 1 year ago
@MrDeap
I have a ps3 ONLY, and yes, I can confirm this to be true.
Even though tekken 6 on 360 still sucks, it's better than the ps3.
Also, good find MrDeap.
atreyu25 1 year ago
thumbs up for full metal alchemist
jams55 1 year ago
@jams55
So this is an anime song?, could you post the name of the song please.
WertzOne 10 months ago
it's nothing new, the ps3 does lag a little(mrdeep is not the only one who did this) compare with the 360, im not sure if that would affect your gameply, but as far as I know, most top tier players go with xbox on this game even in japan where nobody likes xbox.
AnbenK 1 year ago
You slowed the right side down if this was a actual compasion wheres Dan on the left video? oh wait thats right hes not there cause you don't wanna show how much you edited the time on the right.
Sever607 1 year ago
@Sever607 I am sorry to unveil that it have been verified as legit on several japanese blogs. Google is your friend.
MrDeap 1 year ago 7
@MrDeap Google is controlled and monitered by our goverment so you can believe that BS search engine if you want.
I Altavista and have for the last 10 years. BTW thats when Big Brother began tagging all IPs on Google.
Sever607 1 year ago
LOL, what bologna...clearly distorts picture on PS3 version too. Hooking it up to even RF adapter looks better than that even.
jdigitalseven 1 year ago
I like the Music....
neos2c 1 year ago
this is a horrible comparison
there has been tests on multiple output sources in a secure environment where the PS3/XBOX 360 is put up against each other and found to be no different. Then again there are other tests on the same source and NOT in a secure environment which show that PS3 has up to 1 frame of delay more than the 360. In the end none of it matters when there are 5~frames of lag when playing on the consoles, if you truly want to play frame lag free, go to an arcade.
kenzzzhou 1 year ago
@kenzzzhou And before I forget, might I add that I play non-exclusives on my PC (the ones that ARE released on PC), apart from games like SF, which have a largar playerbase on the consoles.
Also, PS3 owners are quite proud of Killzone 2 themselves, in case you haven't noticed. I have it myself. It's a shame it stopped getting patched.
I was born a catholic, doesn't mean I have to believe in God. I have a Ps3, but I still have two fucking eyes. The xbox 360 has better developed versions. Shame.
DemihumanGosu 1 year ago
@DemihumanGosu First of all, you don't have to do anything. But for whatever reason if you dislike your PS3, then there's something wrong with you. Secondly, it's the developer's fault that they can't invest the proper time into developing a game which they should. Yes while it is true that a lot of the cross plats run better on the 360 due to the PS3 version being the ported version, but who can you fault for that?
You don't have to get so mad for my harmless little comment, chill out.
kenzzzhou 1 year ago
@kenzzzhou & million of people live with it & accept how it is. I believe it's your fault.
There's no such thing as the hardware or software fault.
MrDeap 1 year ago
@MrDeap is this a reply to my original comment, or a reply to my reply @DemihumanGosu.
It's a faulty hardware/software made by faulty people. If you were unaware of how the business world works, I hope you ask around for the conflict of interest between the engineering department and the marketing department, it'll probably enlighten you a bit in this broad topic.
kenzzzhou 1 year ago
@kenzzzhou And it's not even the developers' fault. It's sony's. Read an article on Saturn vs Playstation, and you'll understand why. Google it. It's the exact same shit. Saturn was a top notch console with retarded SDK. Developers could barely push the console to the limits since it was so fucking hard to develop for it.
The xbox360 is not good for its exclusives. Fuck that. I hate halo and gears of war.
It's good for the non-exclusive versions that run better.
Stop acting like a zealot.
DemihumanGosu 1 year ago
@DemihumanGosu its not good for its exclusives because you say so? lol, well i and millions around the world think its great for its exclusives.. gow, forza... umm so is the ps3 which i also have.
yahoo1o1 1 year ago
@yahoo1o1 The bit about exclusives is an opinion of mine. Overall, I consider the console better for the non-exclusive games running better on it. One of the few games that actually runs better on PS3, Final Fantasy 14, is unfortunately horrible.
I had high hopes for it, and pre-ordered it like so many people. But there'll always be someone loving the ugly.
Other than that... The majority ends up being well made on the X360. It's a shame, really. Good ol' PS2 times.
DemihumanGosu 1 year ago
@DemihumanGosu lol you are one of the biggest xbox fanboys i have seen on the internet multi platform games dont mean a thing when showcasing the power of a console just look at uncharted 2 and god of war 3 you cant judge the ps3 by multi platform games because 80% of the time the devs half ass ps3 version of the game so all your points are invalid and lastly quit pretending that you own a ps3 so your dumbass opinions can sound valid
b7ray32 1 year ago
wasted my time thank you :-) stupid video
BlazenT 1 year ago 5
@BlazenT I wasted my time reading someone comment.
MrDeap 1 year ago
@MrDeap you wasted bucks worth 2 games on a useless junk.
neogaiden 1 year ago
Anywayz...!! i love ps3 but the new x box is cool! maybe this,will be my first x box in my history!!!!! nice point dude!
khantusions24 1 year ago
Why would you play SF4 on PS3?
Denshuu 1 year ago
@Denshuu It is easier for tournament play, the 360 has some strange stuff when unplugging and plugging in and you have to return to the main menu and some other odd stuff. So most tournaments are run on PS3 where you just reassign the controller number to 1 or 2 and go.
MizukiTHPS 1 year ago
@Denshuu Why would you play SSF4 on Xbox?
Timbaland101 1 year ago
@Timbaland101 Even 90% of the japanese players do.
Suck a bigadicks, kiddo.
I have the game on PS3 and deeply regret having one (except for MGS4).
X360, apart from the horrendous hardware failures, has proven time and time again to have the better versions of non-exclusive games with some really rare exceptions.
DemihumanGosu 1 year ago
@DemihumanGosu Ofcourse thats why the use PS3 at Evo. Fucking fanboy. Wtf does Metal & Console wars have to do with anything? Go play Halo kid. GTFOH
Timbaland101 1 year ago
@Timbaland101 Hey dipshit, I don't own an Xbox 360. The fanboy here is you, defending something with idiotic zeal.
Again, suck a bag of dicks.
DemihumanGosu 1 year ago
@DemihumanGosu Suck a bag of dicks? reallly ? How old are you?
Timbaland101 1 year ago
@Timbaland101 hey fuckhead, the cannon brothers (guys who run evo) were given a bunch of ps3s by namco and/or sony helped sponsor it. that's the only reason why. ps3 mvc3, ssf4ae, and now 3sOE all run like doodoo on ps3
ninjachipzanuff 6 months ago
@DemihumanGosu You're not fooling anyone with your argument, any sane PS3 owner would not be bashing on their system because it is simply amazing, one of the best 300 bucks ANYONE can spend. Xbox 360 is a pitiful PC wannabe with all it's shooter games to entertain 10 year old kids who can't afford to buy a decent PC. Though I do like how you worded your comment to make it sound as if the hardware failure was no big deal.
kenzzzhou 1 year ago
@kenzzzhou Do you want a picture of my PS3? I'll gladly take it and e-mail it to you just to mock your idiocy, with me right by the console flipping you a finger. Or mooning you, still in doubt which one I should try.
You're a retarded fanboy. I WILL get an xbox 360 when I have the cash, hence being able to play both consoles. The x360 is better for non-exclusive games. Lensoftruth as proven that time and time again. Stop sucking dick and get a grip.
DemihumanGosu 1 year ago
Que besteira do caralho! Vão estudar bando de anormal.
WLADSONFERNANDES 1 year ago
Sorry, a lil off topic, but whats the name of the song?
jellis0032 1 year ago 2
@jellis0032 鋼の錬金術師-啓示
MrDeap 1 year ago 4
@MrDeap Thanks, but if I can't read what that says, it doesn't really help. Is there a translation anywhere?
jellis0032 1 year ago
@jellis0032 I think its from Full Metal Alchemist
DgDynasty 1 year ago
@DgDynasty Yeah I got that part, Im looking for the actual song name.
jellis0032 1 year ago
Good video, but you should pause your recording between takes. Even though both the monitor and the camera are recording at 60fps, both devices aren't going to go evenly frame to frame with each other. What results is difference in button pressing with consistently timed frames.
I've tried this test, and about 3/4 of the time I got 1 frame difference, the rest were split between 2 and 1 freak test where I got 0.
omeletta 1 year ago
I've actually noticed this a long time ago since I play at the store I work at on 360 and online at home on ps3, the links to combos are way easier in the x360 with no input lag.
yukmouth23jayrich23 1 year ago
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jellis0032 1 year ago
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jellis0032 1 year ago
@jellis0032 I am wondering the same thing.
DBCLoop 1 year ago
Im a PS3 user and I played both SSF4 version. I feel the 360 alot better.
Jaydaguy 1 year ago
2 frames is significantly small. i can even time little one frame links well on either system on an hdtv.
hmmjudge 1 year ago
people with ps3's getting vexed :P
allero 1 year ago
@allero
fuck you scrub
pringerz 1 year ago
@allero
pringerz 1 year ago
daigo did not miss combos at evo so this video just fails to prove anything
darigazz4 1 year ago
@darigazz4 shut up and go play ur fkin ps3 shit
xdarklinkxz 1 year ago
@darigazz4 Daigo consistency has nothing to do with it. Short link timing is usually muscle memory dependent, rather than visual queues on screen.
omeletta 1 year ago 2
やってる感じはなにもラグ感じないけどなぁ。
hotoga0177 1 year ago
Analogue verification...idiot
Haswar2 1 year ago
HD Lag?
DgDynasty 1 year ago
@DgDynasty Click on the box were it's written Panasonic
MrDeap 1 year ago
@DgDynasty
More like system lag, in this case Capcom's bad porting of SSF4 on PS3.
Wallcrawler 1 year ago
Like you would notice this while playing.
Blanccosvn 1 year ago
to prove this thoroughly youd need to customize a stick that plugs into and works on both systems that are both plugged into the same TV that can do split screen. 2 different button presses synced via video editing duznt cut it
jelaninoel 1 year ago
@jelaninoel Buttons that light up when you press them work as well. :)
A friend has a custom stick that does this, perfect for testing.
omeletta 1 year ago
This is actually pretty common knowledge. This has nothing to do with console wars or anything. Apparently, there is an input delay involved with the USB of the PS3 ports. If people can enjoy the game with the input delay, then more power to them I suppose. I think this is the reason why Japanese pros play online on the Xbox 360.
Shippoyasha 1 year ago 9
@Shippoyasha It has nothing to do with the USB port.
FetaCheese222 11 months ago
@Shippoyasha
japanese pros dont play online at all :)
Clubber0815 10 months ago
Not saying I disagree with this since I've always known there is a difference between the 2 consoles, but this is a very un-scientific test. You have to rig up an LED light to your joysticks so that we know the exact frame you pressed the button. You should also make the attacks connect with the opponent so we can see the first hit frame of the attack. Also, you don't list what video camera you used on this test. It doesn't look to be a 60fps camera with all the frame blending going on.
gilleybaba 1 year ago
Although this is an unreliable test, it is clear that the is input lag between both versions of SSF4. The Only players that is doesn't apply to are people who plays characters that have baby combos. 2 frame lag is a big difference for characters with multiple 1 frame links.
Kreymore 1 year ago 3
For casual gamers, it doesn't make a difference. For a lot of competitors who use one frame links, it could depending on the system we're more used to.
livsm 1 year ago
fuck psn lagy shit !!!!!!!
AtgWarHead 1 year ago
これは他のゲームでも同じなのかな？
だとしたらPS3のゲーム機としての存在価値が無くなるよ。
ファームアップで直るなら直して欲しいね。
sniff699 1 year ago
@sniff699 said:
" これは他のゲームでも同じなのかな？
だとしたらPS3のゲーム機としての存在価値が無くなるよ。
ファームアップで直るなら直して欲しいね"
This was his comment.
"As for this the kana which is the same even with the other game?
When we assume that is, existence value as the game machine of PS3 is gone.
If it is repaired with firm rise, don't you think? we want correcting."
Wallcrawler 1 year ago
Good to know. Picking up the 360 version soon.. Just need a fight stick. =)
FADCxMAbans 1 year ago
this doesn't really make a difference............fanboys =|
terrork08 1 year ago
isit me, or does it look like hes actually pressing the ps3 one earlier.
chisinjong 1 year ago
@ 0:54
You push the PS3 button first... And yet the 360 version is still ahead.
DboiKidCrisis 1 year ago
@DboiKidCrisis They are press at the same time, use virtualdub & download the video provided on the megaupload link in the info. You can see frame per frame with Virtualdub. The downloadable video run at 1080P60 & only 7.5MB.
It's hard to see on youtube how they are press at the same time, but show a the overview difference.
MrDeap 1 year ago
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MonteroGraves 1 year ago
Hurray to those of us who can close their eyes and do their combos....this shit wouldn't bother me a bit. Online doesn't, unless its a grossly poor connection. If you can do the combo in training mode, you should be able to do it online. Unless you've got no rhythm or you have very poor muscle memory. Which most people do. Remember this motion F D DF + PPP ***SHOOORRYUUKEN*** wins games, scrub it up.
wDawks 1 year ago
Yet another reason for people to complain when they play on the ps3. Inaccurate test and it will only start large amounts of arguments. Thanks guy.
UltimaWeapon08 1 year ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
if u notice carefully the hand on the right touches the button 2frames after the hand on the left.. atleast that's what it looks like to me.
btw this seems very amateurish we need proper electronic equipment for this test
anirudhkrishnamani 1 year ago
This is pretty useful to know given that most tournaments will be using HDMI cables. I'd definitely like to see one with a CRT test as well. Good stuff
livsm 1 year ago
What's the music?
ayaueto88 1 year ago
@ayaueto88 Full Metal Alchemist TV-1 Soundtrack , one of the "Dante" song's variations
KrayZ1986 1 year ago
You have nothing to back this up, this video is pointless.
CrimsoNemesis 1 year ago
This is a terribly unscientific test. You need to have 2 systems on CRT both wired to the same button.
ShawnMcCool 1 year ago 34
@ShawnMcCool You don't need a CRT. This is test not about TV lag. It is about system lag. As long as the TV and configuration used is the same for both consoles, it remains a constant in both tests.
therobin12 1 year ago
@therobin12
If you're using the exact same display then yes, that's correct.
ShawnMcCool 1 year ago
@ShawnMcCool
He's already posted one with the CRT monitor and the result is the same.
Wallcrawler 1 year ago
@ShawnMcCool It's no less scientific than the standard methods people use to determine flat-panel input lag. A number of tests, with video/photos, documented, tallied, compared and averaged. Labeling it as unscientific doesn't eliminate the frankly damning results we can see above. Anyway, as others have pointed out, this real-life result is the reason why competition-level SF4 is not played on the PS3, even in Japan. Btw, 33ms of lag is a lot - enough to kill any LCD TV's gaming prospects.
Asterra2 1 year ago
i always knew xbox was better now im going to trade in my fuckin piece of trash ps3 for microsoft points and yes i will finaly buy the new alternative costumes ssf4
akatsukikiller000 1 year ago
I don't get why you didn't use component cables for both consoles...
Yeah it is already known PS3 lag less with using component cables. PS3 HDMI sucks, we know it. But know people think the lag is inevitable.
anwar02x 1 year ago 13
You cant base this on shit.
Mastere88 1 year ago
props for the Fullmetal Alchemist music in slow motion
interesting video but when i play online every now and then I find a freak who almost never misses any link combos and when I practice I don't feel any delay of my inputs and there could be many factors causing the difference between the versions
Hyan36 1 year ago
so yh ps3 slower dan dan da 360... by 2 frames... consoles war is over ps3 is threash
killtrocity09 1 year ago
Realistically this wont really make that much difference, if your playing on 360 your links should be tigher on ps3 cus of the input lag. Interesting to see.
SSf4 online on ps3 is horrible though 360 version beats it hands down which is a shame. Capcom suck at netcoding imo
TargetRenegade69 1 year ago
@TargetRenegade69 I doubt people are playing mostly on timing. The combo are done based the spark animation of the game. It's enough to screw up combo, especially the super move at the end.
MrDeap 1 year ago
@MrDeap I do combos by timing...
ExBrutalion 1 year ago
@TargetRenegade69 I've had good expeience PSN and XBL though I only players with full green bars, which helps. The lag isn't that bad..
FADCxMAbans 1 year ago
@TargetRenegade69
its not even the netcoding there, its mainly because majority of the people on psn use Wifi, and with a good amount using Ethernet, problem is Wifi causes more latency and dropped connections from packet loss.
XESHADOWX 1 year ago
You know, I play on the 360, and I always wondered my inputs always felt a little off when I played in PS3 tournaments for games like SF4 & Blazblue. Now I know it wasn't just simply me playing poorly. Now I know I have to account for it the next time I enter. Informative video. Thanks!
DubCTales 1 year ago
name of the song ?
crapzors 1 year ago
This video is informative, but the comments section is gonig to get blown UP in a few moments.
howtoread 1 year ago
ＰＳ３は箱用コントローラーを変換機で使ってるんじゃないの？
rumacy 1 year ago
@rumacy It's the official arcade stick for each system.
Basically, The controller for each system. Tournament stick for PS3 and XBOX 360.
MrDeap 1 year ago
Interesting.But that beyond human reflex.You go wayy to much into.i can still perform every 1 frame combo and i'm pretty sure evo don't get screwed because of this.
MangaVoltage 1 year ago
@MangaVoltage you will if you play on xbox and then go to a PS3 tournament. Even with plinking it's a 2 frame disadvantage, meaning it's out of plinking range since it acts on the 3rd frame.
that is huge.
Cowman715 1 year ago
Oh that's horrible, two frames of delay in addition to the ones you get from playing online, I bet I'm playing most of my matches with around 100 ms of delay.
Well at least I know that if I'll ever play offline on 360 I'll be able to display superhuman reaction times :D
eae314 1 year ago
Wow thats dramatic music LOL.. I like it though.
IBeezSoCrazie 1 year ago