Capitalism vs socialism vs communism vs anarchism

[BloodskullMannoroth]

Capitalism is a system were private goods and services are exchanged willingly without regulation.

In one of these "anarcho-communes" the individuals, WITHOUT REGULATION, DECIDE to pool THEIR goods and services.

Doesn't that qualify as capitalism?

[wolverineks]

the only thing that every failed political system has in common is centralization. decentralization is the key to eliminating all the failures of the state.

[Z6U6Z6U]

This must be the best trolling video in the world

[mtstatehk14090914]

Corporatism is not capitalism. its easy to get sucked into that propaganda. Even though the US economy is bad right now it is still the one of the worlds leading economic powers. We didnt get there by communism or socialism. Dont let a few people in Washington distort your views of capitalism.

Ron Paul 2012

[FletchforFreedom]

Hilarious! I nearly sprayed soda all over the monitor when an video advocating syndicalism argued that capitalism failed miserably.

Oh, the irony!!!

[dieyoung]

you have no idea what capitalism is, this is bullshit.

Anarcho-capitalism is the natural system of civilization.

[TheRacistsMustDie]

@dieyoung Second sentence is incorrect.

[bobo12345098]

@dieyoung

Actually the natural system is primitive communism when considering individual people, as they worked together in a single tribe hunting and gathering for food, collecting wood, making clothes, building houses etc and sharing it all among themselves (each person labouring for the tribe). When considering tribes it is Anarcho-Capitalism as they are always different factions which trade with one another. It is only when civilizations grew that Capitalism took roots and poisoned us all

[Anonpartition]

@bobo12345098 wow...it's voluntarism that made those tribes. gtfo with ur commie ass. Anarcho-capitalism!!!!

[bobo12345098]

@Anonpartition

Not it was survival in numbers (an instinct) and emotional family bonds, much like when Animals stick in herds. It only became Volunatarianism when you Capitalist faggots started destroying the world and creating a heirachy of people as though they were of different worths when the reality was that nothing would be possible with their labour. Gtfo out with you Capitalist ass pig!

[ShadeToSun]

This video grossly misrepresents socialism.

[darris321]

capitalism isn't a form of government, so you're comparing apples and oranges here.

what do you think of the gift economy?

[ReqCine]

Свобода!Равенство!Братство!  Анархо-комунизм!

[TheFiveoIce]

anarcho-capitalism.

[anarcrustie]

@TheFiveoIce

.... is a bad joke?

[sicoticosandro]

you didin't understand much of the theory right???

[werdna397]

@cpmondello no its not capitolism is founded on the fact if you work hard and try to succeed. Without interference from the goverment. Hail anarchy!

[evan448]

and i think karl marx was wrong about when capitalism would fall because in his manifesto he sees the capitalist are always looking for labors going from slaves to serfs to the factory worker but in his time machines were limeted i think that capitilism will fall when machines can replace the proliterate and the levels of education are enough for a true educated proliterate to rise and not be misguided or abused by the likes of a bolshevik party who eventauly become the new burgiose class

[evan448]

actualy communism has never realy ben tested truely the soviets clamed to be communist and so do the chinese and yet the soviet union seemed to have stuck to the old autrocratic system they hoped to abolish premires like stalin held more power then any tsar in russian history with the advent of propaganda and communism in the ideas of karl marx should actually be more democratic then capitalism and yet know communist country has actualy voted thier leader even lenin didnt win the election

[cpmondello]

Capitalism is Unconstitutional. Capitalism's core ideology and only ideology is: Profits before people". Money is more important than a human life. The is not following what Democratic Socialism proposes, which is; "We the People".

[desertpair2]

Congratulations on a nice video. I think the explanations (especially of socialism) are generalized to the point of not being coherent, I encourage you to continue your work and maybe amplify this. Most Americans pay ignorant allegiance to capitalism and the free market, as if it is holy and benign, but, of course, it gave us the Robber Barons. Hey, I love the music! What is that?

[PUTNAMEINTHISSPOT]

Your definition of socialism is bullshit. SOCIALISM is the same thing as COMMUNISM and has nothing to do with the government controlling everything...

[kuhj278]

Dude, Russia wasn't a socialist state but rather a communist. Socialism means that the production should be controlled by the middle class and that all money shouldn't be held by a small ruling elite. That's exactly what happened in the Soviet Union and it's not even remotely close to what socialism is all about

[reddeadseed2]

You're confused. You stated " Under socialism, the state has complete control of the economy"..... Actually in most socialist countries small businesses are still owned by the people. EX: sweden..... Also tell me with YOUR definition of communism how exactly the people still have " personal choice" btw why dont you understand that in a communism the people are illy motivated due to the fact that they all make the same wages.

[austin99203]

Anarchy!

[eathis12]

"obama is not a socialist" his actions and remarks say otherwise. Im not in the name calling bandwagon but people dont think Mass redistribution of wealth, Medicare, Medicaid, unions, universal health care, bailouts, FDA, FCC, EPA etc etc regulatory commities is and by any reasonable persons definition a socialism. Capitalism isnt the enemy IT NEVER GOT A CHANCE. However every country on the planet has given socialism a chance and it has led to the Euorpean Union collapsing.

[grimslider75]

@eathis12

How didn't capitalism get a chance?

message me if you would like to respond, then you can write without limit, unless one comment is all you require.

[extremeeXrement1]

fuck em all

[SoviMusic]

@BJJistheway yes communsim is the power of one men ,we work for those people they give us 2% of what we producted hum wait it is called capitalism ?

[freedomnow29]

I have a question: If someone lived all alone, they built their own house, grew their own food, made no contact with the other people around them. Never used roads, shops or anything to do with the outside of his/her home, who neither took nor gave to society and was totally independant and individual, would you take the stance that they should be allowed to remain or must be moved?

[SuperAcab666]

Awesome:-)

(A) from Denmark:-)

[xeadm]

failed missilery? capitalism works man

[animegirlsforlive]

united we stand.

devided we fall.

long live communism and anarchism.

[xeadm]

@animegirlsforlive bitch

[chrispollock]

a society without leadership of some kind to make sure the garbage gets picked up and deviants are kept from hurting others? keep dreaming

[origionalwinja]

wow you were not even 10% correct in your information..... try again

[MareyaMax]

-Workers Unite :D

[piginasack]

Anarcho-primitivism ROX~!

[AsmodeanSDAJ]

You actually mixed some ideas up, but thats ok I get the message. Communism is The Government controls the Economy, Socialism is the workers control the Government, and what you describe as Socialism is Fascism. Also what you describe as Communism is actually democratic Socialism. Also Anarchy is orderlies. It is not what you interpret it as being.

[goodmemories215]

This guys knows nothing about Socialism and Communism ; He doesn't even know the ABC ; Anarchism is nothing more than an illusion

[Questfortruth86]

Capitalism is not a conscious entity; it doesn't "seek" to destroy anything. Capitalism is merely the system based on voluntary exchange, which allows for the emergence of money, and the formation of prices. There is no alternative to what you call "capitalism." Without prices, there can be no rational economic calculation and coordination. Lenin, of course, learned this the hard way and was forced to embrace free market reforms. In short, this video is absurd.

[CreditCruncher]

test

[CreditCruncher]

Minimum state control, opportunity for ecomomic equality (i.e. capitalism based on meritocracy, where hard work is genuinely rewarded), minor regulation of free market and a small welfare state = pretty damn decent society.

...Nice music in the vid.

[BowieStardust072]

Im pretty sure ur wrong on ur idea that Socialism causes poverty & hunger. Though it may sometimes, capitalism does a worse job b/c if u dont hav a job you will not get $ unless ur govt as a program. Also if ur employer pays minimum wage you may not be able to buy needed items. Also ppl who run companies may see a cheaper option to outsource work which gives $ to the other country not you. Thus your economy shrinks with no growth. Same could happen to both but more likely Capitalism.

[LorcaAdonai]

i pride myself in being able to figure all of this out for myself, by use of mere speculation and common sense free market economics.

[LorcaAdonai]

i take pride myself for figuring all of this out for myself by use of mere speculation and common sense relating to free market economics.

[LorcaAdonai]

wow cool stuff

[Aeon135]

this is complete BS

[ozner25]

Lol, why did u said that capitalism failed miserably?

It is the predominant economic system, not like comunism that failed two decades ago, real fact.

But look at the bright side, ure video is ok until 0:17 !

[Oediv26]

Socialism is when the people regulate corporations, and basically manages the countries economy. In true socialism, the state is democratic. Unfortunately, a true socialist state has yet to appear. For those who have doubts are really don't understand what Socialism truly is, I recommend you watching the video "Socialism vs Capitalism" by Arondeus. Granted, his views are byist as far as Capitalism goes, but correct as far as socialism goes.

[andy77718]

.... Having said that, Socialism is Communism (rather Communism is PURE SOCIALISM). The term socialism changes to communism when EVERYTHING is owned by the State. So a country that where MOST things are controlled by the state is a strong socialist country, but once everything is owned and controled by the state then it becomes Communism. Do you see how the Terminology can be confusing. Its all measured on a scale but there is still a line somewhere in there.

[lolzobot]

Wait how did capitalism fail miserably? Capitalism is thriving while communist states are collapsing.

[pulsatingremedy]

Yeah! Oh wait, no.

[Jasonthegaiface]

Being a liberal is to conservative for me.

[guatay]

Stateless, classless? Dream on! What's the point of studying/working hard to achieve a higher condition of existance if you're still relagated to the same class as people who don't have ambition to better themselves? Under communism, most of the population would become free riders, depending on the few who work/study diligently to improve their condition. It's a flawed system as it takes "combined knowledge and effort to produce wealth," (Milton Freidman). Wealth sustains nations. Commie idiots!

[Communist555]

@guatay <----- exibit A of a dumbass

[guatay]

The world is always improved through self-interest. Tell me, why is the world's population doing everything they can to come to America/other capitalist states? Comparing America's immigration rates to China's or Cuba's, both legal & illegal, why is it that nobody wants to live in those commie shit holes? Answer: because there ain't shit there! Just some planning committee TELLING their people how to live, how much to produce, when to produce. How can anybody go for that shit? Capitalism rules!

[DoGeeseSeeGod24]

Go read some Marx or Kropotkin before talking shit about something you do not understand.

[guatay]

What's so difficult about understanding how communism has failed everywhere they've tried it? Reason: economically it makes no sense. China survives only b/c they practice capitalism better than capitalists (they must be using their MBAs from American universities). Russia fell. Cuba subsists off aide from other loser commie nations, etc. Why don't you read some good text books on capitalist economics/finance/accounting & Milton Friedman's works. Careful though, you'll wanna shit on communism.

[DoGeeseSeeGod24]

Once again: Go read some actual communist literature, because right now you seem to be under the delusion that "communist nations" actually exist. China is practically capitalist, The USSR was socialist/fascist, and Cuba is socialist. Although then again, I don't know why I'm even bothering typing this, anyone who uses the phrase "loser commie nations" clearly does not have the mental capacity for such things.

[guatay]

hehe "mental capacity for such things." I ask you, do you have the mental capacity to understand that the condition of mankind has improved through capitalism & all of its virtues? Please site one instance whereby communism has helped the condition of mankind? Even China realized communism was a losing doctrine & has adopted the capitalist proposition as a working model for maximizing wealth. Result: they now own the debt of the US! Communism, in & of itself, never could've done that!

[DoGeeseSeeGod24]

Okay listen up because I am only going to say this once more. You think you know everything there is to know on this matter but you do not. In fact you know very little. Anyone with a high school education can tell that from what you are saying. Please understand that I am not fighting with you, I am trying to help you. You are ignorantly insulting a belief you do not understand on a video whose viewers consist mainly of adherents to that belief. You look like a fool. Please go read some Marx.

[DoGeeseSeeGod24]

And in the future learn about something before blindly criticizing it. Closed minded people like you are the reason humanity has never been able to progress to a society where are all truly equal.

As the great Bob Dylan said in a wonderfully progressive song that seems quite fitting here, "Don't criticize what you can't understand."

[guatay]

Bob Dylan, lol. He's just as monotone as you in your beliefs & lack of open mindedness to consider the folly of believing that mankind could ever achieve true equality. Again I say, in a truly equal society somebody (bourgeoisie) would have to rule. Otherwise the proletariat would starve. Just think abt it, it's logical. Ok, no more posts from me.

Cheers!

[DoGeeseSeeGod24]

Great video. The only time socialism is good is when it is born from communism or anarchism (dictatorship of the proletariat, etc). Capitalism is just pure evil and it really has pretty much destroyed itself at this point.

LONG LIVE COMMUNISM AND ANARCHISM, THE ONLY TWO PRACTICES THAT ARE GOOD FOR ALL PEOPLE!

[dazza5266]

well at least none of them at there worse is as bad as feudalism at its best

[wildboy789789]

CORPORATISM IS CAPITALISM... AND STALINISM WAS SO COMMUNIST THAT IT SEEMED FASCIST... SOCIALISM IS NEITHER OF THESE, france is a modern day socialist democracy with NO dictator

the people vote on how to run the government AND the corporations

communism is NOT democratic... its one party

and anarchy will never be acheived because thats working twords capitalism and freedom and letting secret societies rule you with no laws protecting you

this video sucks

[DoGeeseSeeGod24]

Communism is NOT one party... it's democratic. The video is right and you are wrong.

[wildboy789789]

communism in theory isnt one party but in practice it is

democracy only comes without a dictator

[DoGeeseSeeGod24]

Communism has never been put into practice. The USSR, China, Cuba, and all other so-called "Communist states" never claimed to be in communism. In fact, the phrases "communist dictator" or "communist state" are entirely contradictory.

[Communist555]

@DoGeeseSeeGod24 in other word dictorial socialist states

[Communist555]

@wildboy789789 Stalinism wasnt Communist it was dictorial socialism.

[wildboy789789]

yeah... it was basically "we are for the worker" propaganda spewed by a dictatorship

not true communism

[UGKisback]

1:36

fail...

change the font next time.

[1yourtrust2]

whoever is promoting this video is obviously immune to the the thoughts of a free MAN.. when every one earns the same income than he earns nothing. as far a s the "gift" economy is concerned----a man must earn well and above what he owes and desires and plans for before he gives a "gift"----that's why in a capitalistic state the are "charities" Duhhhh!!!!

[fede2]

what sort of "free market" under communism are you talking about?

[xStil090]

Although my philosophy has changed since I made this vedeo, I have concluded that the most voluntary form of communist organisation would be a gift economy. And the gift economy can be considered a type of market economy.

In fact, it is very similar to direct trade, which is basically a moneyless free market. I am using the Proudhonian/Mutualist definition of a free market...

[AkaiTsukiShimitsu]

@xStil090 Under that condition, I could be considered that socioeconomic systems tend to capitalism-socialism systems.... that trade system would be the same thing as barter... which would need the invention of a more specific trade material, becoming money, and the story writing itself again...

[MrCodeman43]

Hitler was a fashist bastard but behind him stands the whole industrie - the word nationalsocialism is not right i think cause it was more an totalitarian national-capitalism..

Stalin wasn't a socialist - he was just an ordenary dictator..

the best way is basis democracy

[Stigmata742]

Capitalism failed miserably when it was altered.

[NaddiShapes]

That just made studying -isms somewhat enjoyable. Thanks!

[seraph101]

For the millionth time - OBAMA IS NOT A SOCIALIST! :D

[origionalwinja]

@seraph101 he IS a socialist/communist, and against everything this country and its founding fathers has ever stood for. He is the worst president the United States has ever had. (displacing Jimmy Carter as the previous title holder)

[xeadm]

@seraph101 yes he is

[seraph101]

Stalin had nothing to do with socialism. :)

[pulsatingremedy]

Stalin combined fascism with socialism.

I agree with you that he doesn't have anything to do with the idea behind socialism though.

[Nederlandac]

Long live anarchism (A).

[Vulfi93]

Well my friend, you didn't mention Jugoslavia and Josip Broz Tito. That may have been the closest any country has come to communism and true workers' paradise.

[xStil090]

It is true that Yugoslavia was the closest example of communism ever seen, but the problem was that only Tito could keep it together...

It took like 100,000 years for humanity to create Tito; so we are probably not getting a Tito in the near future... That is one of the reasons we need a society run directly by the people (Anarchism), not one run by a political party!

[Vulfi93]

Good explanation, thank you for loving Jugo. Thou art cool.

Listen to this song: Neda, by Parni Valjak.

Is very good.

[organdva]

The problem of big leaders is that they eventually die. :)

When people become dependent on the leader, they fall down with him and then that system get abused by its opportunists.

So, we must teach people how to become leaders themselves and then to teach others the same.

[xStil090]

"The problem of big leaders is that they eventually die"

The bigger problem with big leaders is that 99.99999999999% of the time their self-interest combined with special privileges and powers turns into greed and corruption. Then they die... In such a case, dying is a solution.

We must teach people how to take care of themselves; without leaders!

[organdva]

I was referring to Tito. Any one who seek the power over others are corrupted already. So, I agree with the lots on nine numbers ;)

Maybe leader is not the right word (I don't know why I used it anyway).

Just teacher then.

[xeadm]

@xStil090 like capitalism rite

[xStil090]

There is a world wide pandemic of a disease called semantics... It's a real nightmare!

[SmileNow2]

Nazis were called national socialists.

[pulsatingremedy]

Which has nothing to do with socialism.

Hitler's national socialism was just a, how do you say it, distraction or deceiving.

Hitler was a liberal fascist. Using taxes only to support military. Also Hitler was a bitch, but we all know that. ^^

[boalsr19]

Agreed. Even though I believe Hitler was a bitch it is undeniable that he was an excellent leader. That is not in terms in policy or beliefs but in terms of how well he could deceive his own country and shape their opinions and beliefs to match his.

[wildboy789789]

liberal fascist? you dont know much about politics do ya

liberal is left and fascist is EXTREME anti-left... just like communism is EXTREME anti-right... im a socialist myself but it only works without dictators

[pulsatingremedy]

Liberal is right winged.

Low taxes, no economic government.

I dislike it when Americans use liberalism to describe socialist ideas, as it is infact the opposite.

Communism is pure democracy it has no government.

Socialism is a very broad term. But in general means taxes to help the poor.

A capitalist society means a society where the means of production can be in private hands.

Fascism is when corporatism meets government, has taxes to support police and army, to suppress the people.

[xStil090]

Precisely, capitalism failed because we have been trying it for a little more than 150 years and we haven't had it. It means it will never come and it's good that we won't. All Capitalism is going to be is landlords, corporations and big business running wild everywhere. Money will be your god! Land will be fenced out. In the end, people will not be able to leave their backyards, because the area outside is claimed by someone else.

90% of the population will be wage slaves to the 10% left!

[xStil090]

This ain't the kind of world I want to live in. And capitalism is definitely gonna bring it! So as long as I have a breath left in my body I will resist this crazy disease called capital!

[TheEsotericKnowledge]

It was a little offensive to me that you said that socialism means the state is in control of things. I think there is a big divide between socialism and social democracy. Socialism is very closely related to communism...but social democracy(state control/nationalization) is contrary to the values of true socialism and communism.

[xStil090]

Well, there is such a thing as state socialism, which would be the type of socialism I dislike.

There are only three types of socialism that I would agree with: libertarian socialism, democratic socialism (dictatorship of the proletariat) and syndicalism.

But I would consider them to be more communist and/or anarchist than socialist...

And you are right, social democracy is a bad system... And what is worse, they are calling it socialism. That's the socialism I talk about.

[samsonlovesyou]

Hi comrade.

Good attempt on the video, but there are a few errors to pick up on constructively if I may.

Firstly, it's not true that the state has never done any good. In the USSR and Cuba, free healthcare was implemented (without a fight, such as it was in capitalist nations)

Communism (Marxist) is a stateless and thus anarchic. It also traverses socialism, which is seen by communists not the conclusion, but the means to an end.

Many of the problems of the socialist period where communism

[samsonlovesyou]

has been attempted have been more to do with the conflict between communist and capitalist nations.

For example, the USSR was invaded by no less than 19 countries at its inception. Also, being isolated in a capitalist world meant that the state was forced to compete with the capitalist world. Hence we've never had a true perspective of socialism, unfortunately.

The difference between anarchists and communists is that anarchists would skip the socialist transitional period.

[xStil090]

Well free health care doesn't make the state any better... Sure cuba has free health care, but also a lot of journalists in prison or under surveillance... Just like the CIA does in the US.

Well then, that difference between anarchists and communists makes me an anarchist; considering I am no so keen on using the state.

I am positive that the workers can create free health care without a state!

And free health care didn't stop Stalin now, did it?

[kamikazetz]

A lot of people forget that communism is MEANT to basically end in anarchy. As a communist, I don't mind anarchy at all, but I expect them to have an elaborate plan on how the revolution would work, otherwise its just a bunch of bratty children who want to kill their parents!

Communism and then anarchy are both obviously meant to happen with the entire world as well. Equality doesn't work if it has to compete.

[xStil090]

Usually those people are the revolutionaries themselves!

"Equality doesn't work if it has to compete."

Exactly why capitalism will never be able to achieve equality...

[DoGeeseSeeGod24]

That is why I am an anarchist communist. You're absolutely right: we'll never succeed if the communists and anarchists don't work together.

[OmarFernandoChavez]

ANARCHO-COMMUNISM!

[DoGeeseSeeGod24]

Always great to see another comrade.

[autocrat111]

@DoGeeseSeeGod24 wtf is an anarchist communist. you want no government yet you want government control of everything? i think you got too much time on your hands to entertain your ignorance, take two doses of a job and wash it down with friends and youll be better in no time.

[DoGeeseSeeGod24]

You know what? I'm done responding to people like you. Scroll up and look at my responses to guatay for more detail, but here's the abridged version: if you actually think that communists want the government to control everything, you are an ignorant fool. Good day.

[XOmniverse]

You made a lot of errors in this video:

(1) You conflated free market capitalism with corporatism. The two are distinct and the format has never existed.

(2) You conflated corporatism with socialism.

(3) You assumed that all anarchists are derivatives of communism, excluding individualistic variants like market anarchism, mutualism, and egoism.

(4) You offer no solution; the video seems to basically be saying "All systems are bad and we are doomed!"

[xStil090]

(1) I said capitalism failed miserably! So the system now isn't capitalism; nor corporatism yet!

(2) Corporatism IS a type of socialism:

socialism=state having absolute power and doing what it thinks is best for the people, (most) corporatists say that their corporations' profit and power will be good for everyone...

(3) Yeah, I admit, I assume at least 90% of all anarchists want the class system gone!

(4) I didn't criticize communism and anarchy... Solution=revolution (by workers, not party)

[XOmniverse]

(1) Capitalism (understood as corporatism) has clearly failed. Capitalism (meaning a truly free market) has flat out not existed yet.

(2) Socialism is worker control of the means of production. Corporatism doesn't involve this at all. I used to make this mistake a lot too, but you have to realize that statism and socialism aren't synonyms.

(3) Virtually nobody supports the idea of rigidly defined classes (isn't this essentially what the caste system was)?

[xStil090]

"statism and socialism aren't synonyms."

Well, in reality, socialism has been statism (USSR, China, Cuba, Vietnam...)

While communism is tribalism/anarchy...

And I don't think that capitalism is corporatism... I know that a free market is pretty much the polar opposite of corporatism!

But capitalism is just too crazy to make the free market work...

[xStil090]

*Oops sorry, I accidentally deleted yours about income disparities*

Well, income disparities cannot be avoided really, but poverty will be less possible since in the commune, it will be recognized faster and movement to fix it will be faster mostly due to the fact that the ones impoverished can speak up!

That is assuming that the entire area is a commune, but it is similar when the area is split into different communes...

[xStil090]

"Only the winners survive in the long run."

Are those winners the majority? Not really...

And if this is true, is capitalism a democracy at its final stages? Not really. And when I say democracy I do not mean mob rule or 51% lynches 49%!

[xStil090]

"Seriously though. A huge portion of worlds capital was destroyed during WWII and thus the scarcity of capital caused tremendous growth."

Doesn't that mean that producing surplus capital (as most capitalists are doing today) would create a tremendous fall like a crisis or a crash?

And what will be the solution? WW3 to destroy capital again?

[axe863]

So my choice is limited.... okkkkk

[xStil090]

At the very beginning, when the system is being built up and the future isn't clear enough, probably... When the system has stabilized and the communes are functioning at a high degree, then you can own as much as you can and in a way that doesn't throw people out on the street!

If you just take water from a river, it is not yours (unless you freeze it and make an ice sculpture or something of that nature, then you have a reason to own it)...

[xStil090]

And have you really witnessed or known a society in present and past times, that has had unlimited choices?

In capitalism as it is today, you are limited solely by ability and genetics... In my proposed Anarcho-communist society, you are limited more by your interests and of course in order to protect other people's freedom as in all civilized societies... And when I say freedom I mean the ability to do as you desire without prosecution or the threat of rights abuses...

[axe863]

You're setting up dynamic inconsistency.

No one will take any risk until the prescribed acceptable threshold (the degree of stabilization is met). Thus, you will accomplish nothing without force

[xStil090]

What risks are you exactly talking about? For personal happiness, one will always take risks, despite stability of the system... In the case of USSR, they took the risk of becoming a totalitarian police state, and in the case of my communal society, there is a risk of mob rule...

[axe863]

Ok why would I try to obtain a advanced college education if I cannot gain benefit for such an action. Why cant I have a differential reward if my actions benefit all individuals at a differential level? Why cant I obtain benefit from risking my worth?

Who will innovate in your system and why

Why wouldn't everyone in this system wait for advances and then simply utilize them ... Who would be insane enough to be the initial mover?

[xStil090]

"Ok why would I try to obtain a advanced college education if I cannot gain benefit for such an action. Why cant I have a differential reward if my actions benefit all individuals at a differential level? Why cant I obtain benefit from risking my worth?"

There is a difference between benefiting from that and benefiting by exploiting the labor of someone else...

People will innovate to satisfy their needs, find their happiness and solve problems around them that 'bug them'...

[axe863]

Dynamic inconsistency & Risk Aversion will suggest otherwise. Individuals are risk averse. This is an indisputable fact !!!! If there exists non-diversifiable risk, it will require a risk premium over a risk free rate of return. Shared goods with controlled production also leads to dynamic consistency because of the infinite selves construct which is empirically verified

Sorry, it will never ever work

[axe863]

You're making the erroneous assumption of a single entity economy in a single period.

The counter-arguments deal with the problem of inter-temporally, risk aversion and several individuals

[xStil090]

Whatever, communism WILL work as it has worked for thousands of years and we even survived an ice age under it... Throw and ice age at us right now and see just how well capitalism, mathematical laws and shit like that helps!

Evan flawed socialist states have had successful economies... Most of the socialist states in the cold war did have successful economies! Yugoslavia being one of the very best ones...

[axe863]

Ok you've made me change my mind! Your counter-arguments were too much for me. Im a communist now :P lol

[xStil090]

I am actually making the assumption that the economy depends on social and political structure more than social structure depends on the economy

That is why I focus more on social structure rather than economic one! What I intend to do is to abolish the state and establish a communal (power equality) system, where the workers (everyone) will be the ones managing the economy, so really, whether my economic views are flawed, stupid or perfect doesn't matter; I won't be the one calling the shots!

[xStil090]

So really in my system, the economy can only be predicted by people who know EVERYTHING about human nature, and really, I haven't heard of such a man yet!

Or maybe prophets too... But I don't think Baba Vanga would speak up if you dug her up!

[axe863]

Free markets work on N-individuals with competiting future expectations. They do this over N time. Only the winners survive in the long run. Very poor estimators only add random noise to prices

[axe863]

Will you have private property rights & intellectual rights protection?

[xStil090]

Well I don't see how private property can be harmful under a power equality system, as really, all criticism of private property has been that those with more property and the ability to gain more property have more authority and power... Which is true in modern society!

This dissipates in a power equality system, making property not a theft, but a mere subsistence (housing, food, etc)

Because in my society if your house was not protected, you'd wake up with strangers in your bed.

Answer: yes

[axe863]

Seriously though. A huge portion of worlds capital was destroyed during WWII and thus the scarcity of capital caused tremendous growth.

Second, given that countries can borrow... we must view inter-temporal performance (N periods) and not just during single periods.

[xStil090]

"Work individually to achieve your own means, and work with others to enforce freedom." is my description of how labor and property should be...

But it is not my choice really... Workers control!

Really it is up to the community (you included) to decide how much property you can own!

So far only states and banks have been given that control, don't you think it is time we gave communities a second chance... After all, they held society together for thousands of years even in an Ice Age!

[axe863]

personal choice .... so I can own private property if I choose?