@ardaxoy Romans wore heavy armor, if the Goths wore any armor at all, it was at most light hide, more clothing than armor. It was hot for them, but much hotter for the Romans
Dont forget that the goths are swedes.They came from scandinavia.Goths were an own civilisation at the country who're called sweden today.Sweden are splitted in three regions.Svealand,Götaland and norrland.Götaland it's the part where the goths came from.Like usally the swedes were good warriors at this time until the 17:th century.
@Dan90iel1 Very, very simplified explanation. The truth is there is no notable connection between the goths and the present day swedish people other than the land they at one time inhabited. It would be like the present day macedonians taking credit for Alexander and his campaigns, Alexander would have laughed at that notion and Fritigern would have done the same.
@Timurchin1 True.Swedes are very stupid today.They mix with niggers and their iq will dicrease.In the future Swedes will be like Africans and Sweden will turn to Africa.I'm Swedish but i dont mix with this stupid niggers xD
αυτοί ησαν οι βησιγοτθοι ,τελικά σημερα οι απόγονοι των έχουν καταλήξει με την τότε Βυζαντινή διπλοματία στην νοτιοδυτική γαλλία και ανατολικοί ισπανία.
@josephling11 Well there's Barbarian invasion as expansion but to me it sucks, i hate the late empire with the limitanei and the comitatensis, stick to legions on the original or mod it with europa barbarorum which improves the game a lot.
@cody0126a Seems nice!! i'll give it a try, however i'm looking forward to EB 2 which will run on MTW, for that i can't wait! I think it's a shame they didn't make a RTW 2, if they had any brains they would pull togheter the people that made the best mods, that would be game!
Ik EB rocks xD i'm playing EB 1 and I got my Roman Empire almost complete, I just need Egypt and the Augustan Reforms. Then I might post a Roman Empire Save to the forums (of course no Parthians they got wiped out =( )
I find it interesting that the vid uses units from the Gallic, Germanic and Spaniard factions from the original RTW, but not the real Visigothic/Gothic units of Barbarian Invasion. And that the Roman units are at first resembling the legionnaires of RTW...but then change over suddenly to the legionnaires of the Barbarian Invasion expansion. But overall, excellent commentary on a very pivotal battle.
Roman treachery (which was not universal throughout the Empire) caused Adrianople and was also just plain stupid. Treated even halfway decent the Goths could have provided a "buffer state" against the Huns, the real terror of both the east and west empires.
Great graphics, immature presentation. It all sounds very American. The thick emphasis on the word "barbarian". What does that even mean in an historical context? It is judgmental. The Goths were Germanic, not "Barbarians". Also, they weren't really nomadic as they say- nothing like the nomadic Turkic and Mongolian tribes in the East.
And it sounds funny when you say "Turkey"- when Turkey did not exist- its like calling North America in the 1000 "the USA".
@Jaapman the use of the word barbarians meant you were not as civilized as your own standard way of life, before the romans were recognized, the greeks called them barbarians. come on man think about it
@olliekor I don't thinks so.The term "Barbarian " is a derogatory term that was used in the historiography of Latin speaking countries like the French. If you are looking for a modern analogy- it would be like discussing Mexican history and systematically calling the Americans "gringos"- except more derogatory.If we were discussing African history- nobody in their right mind would be calling the Africans "savages". This is typical American commercial-like talking- using over the top terminology.
@Jaapman I understand where your coming from, but that doesn't justify the term the way you just explained it. The English called the Scots and Irish barbarians because they lived a lower class standard way of life. Just as i explained in my above comment. uncivilized so called clans were e.g. barbaric. Plus the Goths were not from Germania they came from Scandinavia and were as nomadic as any other tribe but peaceful as they did alot of trading in all parts of the known world at that time.
@olliekor I can see you mean well but I recommend your read up on your history. Scandinavians are Germanic peoples. Not German. Germanic. Being nomadic is a lifestyle, not a descent. However, when you say "nomadic", it conjures up the image of Turkic and Mongolian steppe peoples. As far as I'm aware- the Goths were agricultural, not nomadic. It's OK to say that the Romans called them "Barbarians". It is not OK to use that word as though it is a fact they were.They simply had a different culture.
@Jaapman No Germanic people are Scandinavians as thats were the came from and i never said German, i said Germania as the tribe itself. I'm talking about Goths were nomadic as in they traveled from place to place trading as far as Asia minor as that was the main part of thier culture. I know they had different culture's i was just explaining the term barbarian. remember the Germanic's came from Scandinavia not the other way around. I know my ancient history just fine thank you. Ironically
it was stil amazing what the romans do because later when emperor justinian came on the throne he actullay avenge the emperor valens because at the time of justinian the west had fallen and the goths held italy and yoegoslavia later the byzantines conquered that and the goths were gone so you see that romans mostly take revenge srry for my bad english
@m8566 The Britons weren't modern Britain. Picts were the clan that held them off up in Scotland. The Romans never got far north. I think thrace were under their control.
climate caused rome to fall. population increases in nomadic tribes, increases in settled barbaric tribes. "The Late Roman Warming Period." drought and bad weather increased in Rome. lots of land in Rome but few of it owned by free roman farmers, but rather landlords and slaves. so the goths see all this roman land wasted away so they can grow not just food but highly delicate mono-cultures of fruits and nuts, with little regard for soil. Climate change hit home after that,
@AvengefulAngel because the romans never used the phalanx remember the spears they used were not designed for that type of fighting they were for throwing....this is said also to be the battle that made cavalry the most important battle element for the next 1000 years
@LordAzanko I know the romans depended on their hardcore close heavy infantry and it worked for so long until their enemies found new ways to repel there strengths and turn them into weaknesses. They should have invested a lot more in phalanxes though maybe reformed the entire army into a greek styled one with lots of horse archers and missle cavalry. not saying it would of worked but it might of.
@LordAzanko The Romans did fight with Phalanxes during the early republic. They adopted the use of the Phalanx formation and use of hoplite style weapons and armor from their early encounters with the Greeks. They only stopped using them After their defeat at the Battle of Allia and subsequent sack of Rome by Alpine Gauls. Even after that they did have soldiers equipped with long thrusting spears called the triarii. The triarii were in continuous use until the Marian reforms..
@hrodvitnir9 yeah your right about that reread some of the stuff again and its funny if it wasn't for Marius reforms i don't know how the Romans would have been able to stand up to the gauls when they were invading italy
@AvengefulAngel The use of cavalry by the Goths during the battle of Adrianople is controversial. The idea the Goths relied on large numbers of calvary to win the battle has been challenged by T.S. Burns who claims Valens would have actually had more calvary then the Goths. The Phalanx while not worthless would still be largely impractical due to the increasing use of mobile horse archers by steppe nomads such as the Huns.
@MegaVenom777 i think its better to refer to these geographical location by their original names than political names. especially when the subject is a history of pre-Turkish invasion of Anatolia. it just sounds more professional. when talking about ancient Romans and refer to the lands they dulled in as Turkey, its kinda confusing. because you are referring to two different time periods. it may be illegal in Turkey, but this program wasn't made in Turkey.
The Romans declined after 200AD, this was the first major battle I recall the at the Romans had lost in two centuries. They had gotten too used to dominating, and got a lazy, when multiple 100,000 barbarian armies pressed their borders, on top of a weakening currency, and an almost too large empire to manage, they fell to attrition after Constantine
Well perhaps I'm suggesting that Caesar was legendary politician... great general - only after defeating vercingetorix
but yeah i was just replying to someone who suggested he wasn't much of a politician - he'd have been just another noble without his political cunning!
lets not forget he didnt come from one of the great familys either
@renuoz Caesar's victory against the Optimates Faction in the Civil War was a far greater achievement, with the Battle of Pharsalus as the crowning moment
@stud20084977 It's not that what battle is greater but what happened during this battle. A battle of annihilation. A battle like the Battle of Cannae, where the Romans suffered a horrific defeat, in which almost every single soldier was killed. Maybe like 10,000 or less out of 50-60,000 survived this battle.
Well the tragedy is that some people like Marcus Junius Brutus did not want the past to change. His whole family heritage was based on the principle of defending the republic so he was caught in a bad situation where he fealt he had to do it.
Out of all the 'emporers' Caesar was the most forgiving and fair in my view.
I can't believe I got 3 thumbs down for suggesting he was more a politician than a general.
If it wasn't for his charisma, and weeling and dealing, he would never have become consul in the first place, let alone have an army follow him and march on rome by his side.
He wasn't even from one of the main noble families that typically controlled the power of rome in the times of the senate.
That will be my PhD in history i am finishing, my bachelors in foreign language i already have so yes I would say if anyone knows the paramount importance of education its my pompous elitist ass :)
These are not the legions of Constantine, Trajan, of Marcus Aurelius that is why they lost different equipment different tactics different types of soldiers.
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Shut up you asshole! Due to the sacking of europe and the fall of rome lead to the dark ages where people went backwards in technology. We lost 500 years of enlightenment. Who knows, if things were different, we probably would right now be driving flying cars, cured all diseases and living in a utopia paradise.
War breeds technolghy, it think it wuld be quite opposite realy. The germanic stands for most of the modern technoleghy including the screen you watch now and the language you write.
Watch those areas today were it lives pure romans and you see poor and unedjucated areas. Compere north italy to south italy.
Hah. The Roman empire was crumbling from the inside, there were constant civil wars, generals raising puppet emperors to power, inflation, attack on several fronts, concentration of wealth into the hands of the (super) rich, corruption...
Also, the Eastern Empire survived the migration period and became a great power for centuries to come... Surely they had time to develop those flying cars of yours....
Sorry people. Apparently my "Go goths" comment was bad... To be honest if it was not for the fact this is later rome I would root for them. Early romans were worthy of cheer. But aftrer they took in christianity, stoped conquering, went all gay and defencive, and spent more than they had coming in... Well then they deserved to fall.
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Meaning:
1 You're a fucking retard.
2 You actually are gay/bi, or don't find it insulting.
After having to look at my page to find something to insult me about. (Fail Troll made Newb Mistake BTW) I stopped taking you seriously. (This, being your first insulting comment to me, is XD)
Then, doing the same to your profile, seeing that background picture, I Lulzed. Taking you even less seriously.
Then having witnessed a response, straight out of the high-school-jock-fail I've become numb to. This has been LULZ. Thank you.
PS: Let's face it. In the end you're a narcissistic, vain, LULZ factory.
You should stop trolling boy, or find an easy target... I'm surprised they let people like you have computers. Then again they let 13y/o girls have Myspace... Hmmm. Guess it's not as shocking after all.
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All joking aside, you should crawl away now. When your target starts LULZing off you, it's time to move on.
@dancthegr thats true. but after excepting Christianity everything did start to go down hill from there. the Roman culture began to change and they were never really the same after that.
@dragonddff i only object to the christianity part of that statement. but otherwise i agree. the best way for an empire to stay in the black is to keep expanding and conquering.
@dragonddff Christianity only made the italians stronger, the pope's back in the day were fuckin mad cunts tellin everybody what to do like the crusades and shit.
At the begging request of the Romans i'm pretty sure they didn't destroy the city, rape or murder. But, yes they took all the booty. . . Depends on what you mean "sacked". Idiot.
What an impaitent prick more bothererd about his personal influence than the survival of his forefathers empire and people he was emperer what more did he want!!!!
This conclusion at the end is bullshit! The battle took place in the eastern part of the empire only about 200 kilometers away from its capitol constantinople. But that eastern empire existed until 1453, more than thousend years from the day of that battle! So it's absolout embarrissing to say that the battle of adrianople was the beginnig of the failure of the empire.
Since heavy cavalry is more mobile then anything but light cavalry (in the open), I guess your statement is partly right. But then again, they are also the most expensive arm, so it balanced out.
The Gothic horsemen were mostly unarmored, unless they have found enough armor in the Roman arsenals they looted before the battle.
I know that, and most of their chiefs and richer warriors probably wear either that or mail armor. The point is that MOST of the Gothic horsemen would have been too poor to afford armor unless they looted it, and would have only fought protected with a shield and probably a helmet at best. This is consistent with the pattern of the Germanic people, from Arminius's Cheruschis to the Saxons and Vikings most of their fighting men were unarmored.
Ass kicked??!?!?! the battle was called a massacure! the romans were so tightly packed in by goths that they could not turn 90*. The fields were so soked with blood they were slipping.
why that fking historian saying all the time "the weather was hot ..." for romans ? weather was hot for the goths too
ardaxoy 3 weeks ago
@ardaxoy Romans wore heavy armor, if the Goths wore any armor at all, it was at most light hide, more clothing than armor. It was hot for them, but much hotter for the Romans
Agent2090 2 weeks ago
@ardaxoy LOL yes u r right LOL hhahahhaaah what an arguement
xOxKurdParstxOx 1 week ago
Dont forget that the goths are swedes.They came from scandinavia.Goths were an own civilisation at the country who're called sweden today.Sweden are splitted in three regions.Svealand,Götaland and norrland.Götaland it's the part where the goths came from.Like usally the swedes were good warriors at this time until the 17:th century.
Dan90iel1 1 month ago
@Dan90iel1 Very, very simplified explanation. The truth is there is no notable connection between the goths and the present day swedish people other than the land they at one time inhabited. It would be like the present day macedonians taking credit for Alexander and his campaigns, Alexander would have laughed at that notion and Fritigern would have done the same.
stud20084977 1 month ago
@stud20084977 You dont know anything.Swedes are today mixed with goths.Goths are swedes.So dont comment any stupid comments to me.
Dan90iel1 1 month ago
@Dan90iel1 swedes are snow niggas raped by evil russians
Timurchin1 3 weeks ago
@Timurchin1 True.Swedes are very stupid today.They mix with niggers and their iq will dicrease.In the future Swedes will be like Africans and Sweden will turn to Africa.I'm Swedish but i dont mix with this stupid niggers xD
Dan90iel1 3 weeks ago
αυτοί ησαν οι βησιγοτθοι ,τελικά σημερα οι απόγονοι των έχουν καταλήξει με την τότε Βυζαντινή διπλοματία στην νοτιοδυτική γαλλία και ανατολικοί ισπανία.
sthenes1 5 months ago
Ancient Greece (female) and Ancient Rome (male) made for the greatest cultural romance in history!!!
SuperGreatSphinx 5 months ago
So these rificulous animations are supposed to attract our attention?
topperheartramada 6 months ago
@topperheartramada It's not animation. *facepalm*
It's Rome: Barbarian Invasion Total War
weirdofromhalo 3 months ago
@weirdofromhalo thy are also animations.
topperheartramada 3 months ago
@topperheartramada Your mum gave me an animation.
...in my PANTS!
YouuuuuuTosserrrr 3 months ago
@topperheartramada This is game called Rome: Total War.
Grayfox014 1 day ago
IS THIS TOTAL WAR
john79341 6 months ago
I always had a boner for history.
sugokuuuuu 6 months ago
his a noob
purefatdude2 6 months ago
No food or water? Did the Roman soldiers of that time not carry a canteen and maybe a pouch with some bread or other food stuffs?
Attila709 6 months ago
@Attila709 when on the march, certainly. Not when just assembling for battle just outside a town i guess
RTRVII 5 months ago
what i want to know is where you get an expansion pack like that for i would love to be able to fight battle of that size
josephling11 7 months ago
@josephling11 Well there's Barbarian invasion as expansion but to me it sucks, i hate the late empire with the limitanei and the comitatensis, stick to legions on the original or mod it with europa barbarorum which improves the game a lot.
matrixch88 4 months ago
@matrixch88 try roma surrectum
cody0126a 2 months ago
@cody0126a Seems nice!! i'll give it a try, however i'm looking forward to EB 2 which will run on MTW, for that i can't wait! I think it's a shame they didn't make a RTW 2, if they had any brains they would pull togheter the people that made the best mods, that would be game!
matrixch88 2 months ago
@matrixch88
Ik EB rocks xD i'm playing EB 1 and I got my Roman Empire almost complete, I just need Egypt and the Augustan Reforms. Then I might post a Roman Empire Save to the forums (of course no Parthians they got wiped out =( )
crackshack2 1 week ago
@cody0126a
problem with RS is 0turn recruitment= billions of repetitive battles....
Even with 1 turn recruitment RS is just tooo...easy
crackshack2 1 week ago
crazy old man no wonder romans lost but still good tactic and fighting from gohts
romulus755 7 months ago
I LOVE this show!
HistoryLover1550 8 months ago
Why does RTW have to be so ahistorical...
gamegeek2 8 months ago
This was the end of Rome
joshuaissosmartlike 9 months ago
Julius Caesar and Augustus would have beat the Goth's ass however.
leegeorgeson 9 months ago
@leegeorgeson Agreed, they would've known how to deal with the Goths.
HistoryLover1550 8 months ago
I find it interesting that the vid uses units from the Gallic, Germanic and Spaniard factions from the original RTW, but not the real Visigothic/Gothic units of Barbarian Invasion. And that the Roman units are at first resembling the legionnaires of RTW...but then change over suddenly to the legionnaires of the Barbarian Invasion expansion. But overall, excellent commentary on a very pivotal battle.
Horica666 10 months ago
is this time commanders?
ZoomZip 10 months ago
@ZoomZip no, this is "decisive battles"
samtheshow39 8 months ago
Roman treachery (which was not universal throughout the Empire) caused Adrianople and was also just plain stupid. Treated even halfway decent the Goths could have provided a "buffer state" against the Huns, the real terror of both the east and west empires.
deriter64 11 months ago
seeing people get flunk in mid air never gets old
xmaple1x 1 year ago 2
Great graphics, immature presentation. It all sounds very American. The thick emphasis on the word "barbarian". What does that even mean in an historical context? It is judgmental. The Goths were Germanic, not "Barbarians". Also, they weren't really nomadic as they say- nothing like the nomadic Turkic and Mongolian tribes in the East.
And it sounds funny when you say "Turkey"- when Turkey did not exist- its like calling North America in the 1000 "the USA".
Jaapman 1 year ago
@Jaapman the use of the word barbarians meant you were not as civilized as your own standard way of life, before the romans were recognized, the greeks called them barbarians. come on man think about it
olliekor 1 year ago
@olliekor I don't thinks so.The term "Barbarian " is a derogatory term that was used in the historiography of Latin speaking countries like the French. If you are looking for a modern analogy- it would be like discussing Mexican history and systematically calling the Americans "gringos"- except more derogatory.If we were discussing African history- nobody in their right mind would be calling the Africans "savages". This is typical American commercial-like talking- using over the top terminology.
Jaapman 1 year ago
@Jaapman I understand where your coming from, but that doesn't justify the term the way you just explained it. The English called the Scots and Irish barbarians because they lived a lower class standard way of life. Just as i explained in my above comment. uncivilized so called clans were e.g. barbaric. Plus the Goths were not from Germania they came from Scandinavia and were as nomadic as any other tribe but peaceful as they did alot of trading in all parts of the known world at that time.
olliekor 1 year ago
@olliekor I can see you mean well but I recommend your read up on your history. Scandinavians are Germanic peoples. Not German. Germanic. Being nomadic is a lifestyle, not a descent. However, when you say "nomadic", it conjures up the image of Turkic and Mongolian steppe peoples. As far as I'm aware- the Goths were agricultural, not nomadic. It's OK to say that the Romans called them "Barbarians". It is not OK to use that word as though it is a fact they were.They simply had a different culture.
Jaapman 1 year ago
@Jaapman No Germanic people are Scandinavians as thats were the came from and i never said German, i said Germania as the tribe itself. I'm talking about Goths were nomadic as in they traveled from place to place trading as far as Asia minor as that was the main part of thier culture. I know they had different culture's i was just explaining the term barbarian. remember the Germanic's came from Scandinavia not the other way around. I know my ancient history just fine thank you. Ironically
olliekor 1 year ago
Yes a major defeat. The Eastern Empire only lasted another 1200 years.
gamesbok 1 year ago
Damn, why did the Barbarians always burn down everything they captured? Didn´t they like luxury and good stuff?
ImanNnNnN 1 year ago
Goth horse t bags the Emperor
Steven259469 1 year ago
it was stil amazing what the romans do because later when emperor justinian came on the throne he actullay avenge the emperor valens because at the time of justinian the west had fallen and the goths held italy and yoegoslavia later the byzantines conquered that and the goths were gone so you see that romans mostly take revenge srry for my bad english
MrThecoolguy28 1 year ago
its amazing how dominant the Romans were. except against the Germans :D
m8566 1 year ago
@m8566 You missed out many many more.
kalashnikov96 1 year ago
@kalashnikov96 what do u mean?
m8566 1 year ago
@m8566 Just many more factions/peoples that fought off the Romans :D
kalashnikov96 1 year ago
@kalashnikov96 Parthia, the Britons...who else? did Thrace? idk...
m8566 1 year ago
@m8566 The Britons weren't modern Britain. Picts were the clan that held them off up in Scotland. The Romans never got far north. I think thrace were under their control.
kalashnikov96 1 year ago
@kalashnikov96 well yeah i knew the Romans never conquered Scotland.
m8566 1 year ago
climate caused rome to fall. population increases in nomadic tribes, increases in settled barbaric tribes. "The Late Roman Warming Period." drought and bad weather increased in Rome. lots of land in Rome but few of it owned by free roman farmers, but rather landlords and slaves. so the goths see all this roman land wasted away so they can grow not just food but highly delicate mono-cultures of fruits and nuts, with little regard for soil. Climate change hit home after that,
eatsoil 1 year ago
Winning a discussion in the internet is like winning the special olimpics .Even thougth you won,you are still retarded
TheTj19 1 year ago
damn you goths! for sacking rome and bringing about the dark ages if it were not for you we may have flying cars by now lol
raaspider 1 year ago
the battle is made in Rome Total War - best game ever
lord0strzo 1 year ago
this is the third roman battle that i watched and they got they ass wooped
PebBleishRock 1 year ago
Imagine being foraging for food and then coming back and saying, "hey, dude, our wagon train is under attack!" 49,000 reinforces to 10,000 men.
samthomasmusic 1 year ago
Jesus why didnt the Romans just re-install Phalanx formations within their troops in the barbarian invasions since there were so many damn horses LOL
AvengefulAngel 1 year ago
@AvengefulAngel because the romans never used the phalanx remember the spears they used were not designed for that type of fighting they were for throwing....this is said also to be the battle that made cavalry the most important battle element for the next 1000 years
LordAzanko 1 year ago
@LordAzanko I know the romans depended on their hardcore close heavy infantry and it worked for so long until their enemies found new ways to repel there strengths and turn them into weaknesses. They should have invested a lot more in phalanxes though maybe reformed the entire army into a greek styled one with lots of horse archers and missle cavalry. not saying it would of worked but it might of.
AvengefulAngel 1 year ago
@LordAzanko The Romans did fight with Phalanxes during the early republic. They adopted the use of the Phalanx formation and use of hoplite style weapons and armor from their early encounters with the Greeks. They only stopped using them After their defeat at the Battle of Allia and subsequent sack of Rome by Alpine Gauls. Even after that they did have soldiers equipped with long thrusting spears called the triarii. The triarii were in continuous use until the Marian reforms..
hrodvitnir9 1 year ago
@hrodvitnir9 yeah your right about that reread some of the stuff again and its funny if it wasn't for Marius reforms i don't know how the Romans would have been able to stand up to the gauls when they were invading italy
LordAzanko 1 year ago
@AvengefulAngel The use of cavalry by the Goths during the battle of Adrianople is controversial. The idea the Goths relied on large numbers of calvary to win the battle has been challenged by T.S. Burns who claims Valens would have actually had more calvary then the Goths. The Phalanx while not worthless would still be largely impractical due to the increasing use of mobile horse archers by steppe nomads such as the Huns.
hrodvitnir9 1 year ago
@hrodvitnir9 Its true that the Romans used a spartan unit against the goths in one of the late empires battles :P
AvengefulAngel 1 year ago
gamw tous tourkous!!!!!
supersajan3 2 years ago
thats not turkey thats more greece than turkey come on!
MegaVenom777 2 years ago 19
@MegaVenom777 i think its better to refer to these geographical location by their original names than political names. especially when the subject is a history of pre-Turkish invasion of Anatolia. it just sounds more professional. when talking about ancient Romans and refer to the lands they dulled in as Turkey, its kinda confusing. because you are referring to two different time periods. it may be illegal in Turkey, but this program wasn't made in Turkey.
TheScienceofnature 10 months ago
@MegaVenom777 Adrianople is present day Edirne, in modern Turkey. But he should have specified this.
teachinggypsy 9 months ago
@MegaVenom777 there was no Turkey at that Time only Greek territory under Roman Empire.
hel1nas 9 months ago
man, that was a huge mess up, if he waited, he could have beat the goths :/
spinynorman230 2 years ago
thats what happens when foolish pride overtakes sound judgement....
LordAzanko 2 years ago
1:25 Rohan charges the orcs at Minas Thirith=p
Nortrix87 2 years ago
well, its central authority pretty much broke down in the aftermath of the sack of 410 AD. loss of prestiege can be quite effective.
in fact, the western empire by 476 only comprised Italy, Dalmatia, and some enclaves in Gaul.
so while the roman civilization survived the sack, its largest institution-the central authority in Italy-didn't.
Albukhshi 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
ca I for once see a documentary where Romans won! If Romans sucked this bad, how come they have conqered SO MUCH!
jokerisnomak 2 years ago
The Romans declined after 200AD, this was the first major battle I recall the at the Romans had lost in two centuries. They had gotten too used to dominating, and got a lazy, when multiple 100,000 barbarian armies pressed their borders, on top of a weakening currency, and an almost too large empire to manage, they fell to attrition after Constantine
hc8719 2 years ago 2
They never gave up
blabloempa 2 years ago
because it was poloticians that were comanding the battle, not actual generals, like Caesar.
spinynorman230 2 years ago
Ceasar was more a politician than a general.
renuoz 2 years ago
Caesar was both
A great politician and a great general
Oldcartoons571 2 years ago 17
Well perhaps I'm suggesting that Caesar was legendary politician... great general - only after defeating vercingetorix
but yeah i was just replying to someone who suggested he wasn't much of a politician - he'd have been just another noble without his political cunning!
lets not forget he didnt come from one of the great familys either
renuoz 2 years ago
@renuoz Caesar's victory against the Optimates Faction in the Civil War was a far greater achievement, with the Battle of Pharsalus as the crowning moment
stud20084977 1 year ago
@stud20084977 It's not that what battle is greater but what happened during this battle. A battle of annihilation. A battle like the Battle of Cannae, where the Romans suffered a horrific defeat, in which almost every single soldier was killed. Maybe like 10,000 or less out of 50-60,000 survived this battle.
drakethe87th 1 year ago
ALL early roman generals were more poloticians.
spinynorman230 2 years ago
He was a master military tactician and politician. too bad he got betrayed by his close friend
maddympkv 2 years ago
Well the tragedy is that some people like Marcus Junius Brutus did not want the past to change. His whole family heritage was based on the principle of defending the republic so he was caught in a bad situation where he fealt he had to do it.
Out of all the 'emporers' Caesar was the most forgiving and fair in my view.
renuoz 2 years ago
ceasar wa great but i think augustus was even greater
yordi193 2 years ago
I can't believe I got 3 thumbs down for suggesting he was more a politician than a general.
If it wasn't for his charisma, and weeling and dealing, he would never have become consul in the first place, let alone have an army follow him and march on rome by his side.
He wasn't even from one of the main noble families that typically controlled the power of rome in the times of the senate.
renuoz 2 years ago
Lol, did anyone notice the guy flying at 3:54?
saywhatyowhat 2 years ago
i am working on completing my PhD in History....education I have in abundance sir :)
bigbody8822 2 years ago
hahaha they make it sound that there only were hot for the romans as the scandinavians eat icecream under the battle ore whatever=D
Nortrix87 2 years ago
That will be my PhD in history i am finishing, my bachelors in foreign language i already have so yes I would say if anyone knows the paramount importance of education its my pompous elitist ass :)
bigbody8822 2 years ago
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Axcendar 2 years ago
nortix you spelled uneducated incorrectly lol that is pathetic sir
bigbody8822 2 years ago
What about youre second language smart arse, ever spelled wrong?
Education is much more than languages.
Du kan for øvrig dra til Helvette=D
Nortrix87 2 years ago
When we bring the situation to RTW then Roman weakness was army with low moral and general with on star and several bad traits....;)
aure232 2 years ago
Yes, not to mention the shitty Roman cavalry. While the Goths had mighty heavy cavalry ^_^
Zafersan 2 years ago
These are not the legions of Constantine, Trajan, of Marcus Aurelius that is why they lost different equipment different tactics different types of soldiers.
sicilia313 2 years ago
Well the emperor was a bad politician and a feckless general. The gothic tribesmen were well motivated, they fought for the life of their families.
Famine makes heroes. Beware of the desperate and of your arrogant leaders!
Euglied 2 years ago 3
ha noobs my ansesters sacked britain because they were..........................VIKINGS
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kazaboy921 2 years ago 4
but we crushed you eventually
Steven0935 2 years ago
what in 2012 oh your the so called apocoplise plz spare me o no aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
kazaboy921 2 years ago
Wish the Romans had Greek Spearmen
crackshack2 2 years ago
Damn i am borned in the wrong century, i want to join my forfathers and sack Europe! Scandinavia victor!! xD
Nortrix87 2 years ago
Scandinavia <3
Vikings & Goths = Success
Flod92 2 years ago
Shut up you asshole! Due to the sacking of europe and the fall of rome lead to the dark ages where people went backwards in technology. We lost 500 years of enlightenment. Who knows, if things were different, we probably would right now be driving flying cars, cured all diseases and living in a utopia paradise.
smashbros400 2 years ago 4
War breeds technolghy, it think it wuld be quite opposite realy. The germanic stands for most of the modern technoleghy including the screen you watch now and the language you write.
Watch those areas today were it lives pure romans and you see poor and unedjucated areas. Compere north italy to south italy.
Hail Odin,fuck Jupiter=D
Nortrix87 2 years ago 3
Hah. The Roman empire was crumbling from the inside, there were constant civil wars, generals raising puppet emperors to power, inflation, attack on several fronts, concentration of wealth into the hands of the (super) rich, corruption...
Also, the Eastern Empire survived the migration period and became a great power for centuries to come... Surely they had time to develop those flying cars of yours....
UserNameForYeeTube 2 years ago
Ahhh. . . .It was "looted" now was it?
azz578 2 years ago
Sorry people. Apparently my "Go goths" comment was bad... To be honest if it was not for the fact this is later rome I would root for them. Early romans were worthy of cheer. But aftrer they took in christianity, stoped conquering, went all gay and defencive, and spent more than they had coming in... Well then they deserved to fall.
dragonddff 2 years ago 30
@dragonddff how your comment has gotten so many thumbs up i do not know..
AvengefulAngel 1 year ago
@AvengefulAngel
The formula is simple:
1: Bitching about assholes that thumbs you down for voicing your opinion.
2: Admit you would root for the other side.
3: Explain, in detail, why you DIDN'T root for them.
4: Type from the heart. Don't be a thumbs hungry bitch.
5: ???
6: PROFIT!
At the time, I was just bitching. But looking back on it, I see why it succeeded.
dragonddff 1 year ago
@dragonddff Your still an ugly cunt and you still need a haircut. [fail]
AvengefulAngel 1 year ago
@AvengefulAngel
All true, cept the cunt and hair comments.
I buzzed it for the summer, and I happen to have a penis.
BTW, I love cunt. I don't find it an insult TBH. It just makes me horny for some of it myself.
PS: I could have done the obvious "Well your rating a guys looks, so your a faggot" comeback. But you set yourself up for that one so well, it was suspicious.
Meaning:
1 You're a fucking retard.
2 You actually are gay/bi, or don't find it insulting.
3 It was bait.
Either way, you fail.:D
dragonddff 1 year ago
@AvengefulAngel
Additional Info:
The "so your a faggot" was misspelled due to character limit. "your" should be "you're" - Obvious.
The 1,2,3 were originally A),B),C) but changed to 1,2,3, due to character limit.
It's an "and/or" list, not a "you're all three of these" list.
Just thought I'd explain. Just encase you couldn't figure that stuff out, or if you planned to make a shitty comeback.
dragonddff 1 year ago
@dragonddff No.. i actually dont wanna lower myself to your sad life and debate about it.
You know your problem is your too much 'up here' not enough cock and balls. Fag
AvengefulAngel 1 year ago
@AvengefulAngel
XD. Wow...
You, unexpectedly, amused me. Thanks.
After having to look at my page to find something to insult me about. (Fail Troll made Newb Mistake BTW) I stopped taking you seriously. (This, being your first insulting comment to me, is XD)
Then, doing the same to your profile, seeing that background picture, I Lulzed. Taking you even less seriously.
Then having witnessed a response, straight out of the high-school-jock-fail I've become numb to. This has been LULZ. Thank you.
dragonddff 1 year ago
@AvengefulAngel
PS: Let's face it. In the end you're a narcissistic, vain, LULZ factory.
You should stop trolling boy, or find an easy target... I'm surprised they let people like you have computers. Then again they let 13y/o girls have Myspace... Hmmm. Guess it's not as shocking after all.
Again. THANK YOU! You've made me happy today. May the invisible sky-man smile down upon you!
All joking aside, you should crawl away now. When your target starts LULZing off you, it's time to move on.
dragonddff 1 year ago
@dragonddff
its not bad i don't know what all the you tube trolls are talking about . just for all them
GO GOTHS!!!!!GO GOTHS!!!!!GO GOTHS!!!!!GO GOTHS!!!!!GO GOTHS!!!!!GO GOTHS!!!!!GO GOTHS!!!!!GO GOTHS!!!!!GO GOTHS!!!!!GO GOTHS!!!!!GO GOTHS!!!!!GO GOTHS!!!!!GO GOTHS!!!!!GO GOTHS!!!!!GO GOTHS!!!!!GO GOTHS!!!!!GO GOTHS!!!!!
rkhale02 1 year ago
@rkhale02
*Watches a near by Neo-Romans head explode*
*Brofist*
dragonddff 1 year ago
@dragonddff they collapsed thanks to its size and corruption, not religion
dancthegr 1 year ago
@dancthegr thats true. but after excepting Christianity everything did start to go down hill from there. the Roman culture began to change and they were never really the same after that.
m8566 1 year ago
@m8566 its proberbly an irony- remember it was becoming overstreached
dancthegr 1 year ago
@dragonddff very true
NinjXPk 1 year ago
@dragonddff i only object to the christianity part of that statement. but otherwise i agree. the best way for an empire to stay in the black is to keep expanding and conquering.
Schniedragon88 1 year ago
@Schniedragon88
Sorry if it offended you. But Christianity wasn't just some other trend in the empire, it changed their way of life.
Hell, it got rid of the Gladiatorial Games. (Maybe not a big deal to you, but I miss those still.)
dragonddff 1 year ago
@dragonddff Christianity only made the italians stronger, the pope's back in the day were fuckin mad cunts tellin everybody what to do like the crusades and shit.
olliekor 1 year ago
@dragonddff you mean like america
Pinkey157 11 months ago
@Pinkey157
What's like america? (Same person, new account.)
nagual1992 3 months ago
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The Gothic capture of Rome was not the end of the empire and the city wasn't sacked. . .
azz578 2 years ago
it was sacked you idiot
puchy110 2 years ago
At the begging request of the Romans i'm pretty sure they didn't destroy the city, rape or murder. But, yes they took all the booty. . . Depends on what you mean "sacked". Idiot.
azz578 2 years ago
sacked means looting a city, idiot boy!
puchy110 2 years ago
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Well it WASN'T SACKED THEN WAS IT?! Retard.
azz578 2 years ago
it was looted you fuckin' faggot
puchy110 2 years ago
Attila would have massacred this roman army.
JimbobHarrigan 2 years ago
What an impaitent prick more bothererd about his personal influence than the survival of his forefathers empire and people he was emperer what more did he want!!!!
DannyJamesRead 2 years ago
This conclusion at the end is bullshit! The battle took place in the eastern part of the empire only about 200 kilometers away from its capitol constantinople. But that eastern empire existed until 1453, more than thousend years from the day of that battle! So it's absolout embarrissing to say that the battle of adrianople was the beginnig of the failure of the empire.
odinsblade88 2 years ago 2
To be honest the history of the Eastern Empire, though a resilient entity, is pretty much a long, grueling decline spread over 1000 years.
athropos 2 years ago
The western empire did not end in 409.
lol
gv1955 2 years ago
It's meant that the Goths break through to Italy and burned Rome down, thats a significant date, because that happened since 387 BC the last time.
ElSchmiddie 2 years ago
is that rome total war mod "rome total realsm" for history channel?
blueuser4000 3 years ago
This battle also showed
heavy cavalry > heavy infantry
gmdimaano 3 years ago
Nope, it's more like:
frontal clash:
heavy infantry > heavy cavalry
surprise rear attack:
heavy cavalry > basically anything
Since heavy cavalry is more mobile then anything but light cavalry (in the open), I guess your statement is partly right. But then again, they are also the most expensive arm, so it balanced out.
The Gothic horsemen were mostly unarmored, unless they have found enough armor in the Roman arsenals they looted before the battle.
HaNsWiDjAjA 3 years ago
Sorry,
thats not right. The Goths copied scale armor from the Sarmatic people in the
3rd century BC...
TeutonicWulfKnight 2 years ago
I know that, and most of their chiefs and richer warriors probably wear either that or mail armor. The point is that MOST of the Gothic horsemen would have been too poor to afford armor unless they looted it, and would have only fought protected with a shield and probably a helmet at best. This is consistent with the pattern of the Germanic people, from Arminius's Cheruschis to the Saxons and Vikings most of their fighting men were unarmored.
HaNsWiDjAjA 2 years ago
dude do you know how to spell genghis? its not gengiz
JeebusNess 3 years ago 2
isint it Ghengis
Vartex 3 years ago
Fridigern was a moron. Gengiz-khan would have kicked his ass.
sinitskyd 3 years ago
Talked to Fridigern have you?
bmbberntsen 3 years ago
cool
RTWXilef 3 years ago
damn romans got there ass kicked by the goths and had to suck to be in roman shoes and dont be mad romans dont be mad
jackassslayer 3 years ago
Ass kicked??!?!?! the battle was called a massacure! the romans were so tightly packed in by goths that they could not turn 90*. The fields were so soked with blood they were slipping.
pkslayde 3 years ago
Go Goths!!!!!!
dragonddff 3 years ago
Yes, go Goths, go to hell!!!
ROMA IMPERAT - AVE !
SEPTIMIVS 2 years ago
that's were jealousy and envy takes. It made you lose a empire.
Kenshiroit 3 years ago 6
He should have waited
BaconBeast11 3 years ago 8
no if he waited the gothic calvary still would have flanked him before his cousin arrived. Flank=Dead. The out come would have been the same.
pkslayde 3 years ago
I would have fallen back if I was in that situation. Just go about 10 miles back and watch the horses starve...
drunk168 3 years ago
wow what a bad day for Rome :(
Spartanz1170 3 years ago 7
Worse still for the poor rank and file members of the legion. Talk about a day at work that really sucked.
aeonflux67 3 years ago 20