Ron Paul Discusses Immigration, the Welfare/Warfare State & More with Motorhome Diaries

[KIRLES26]

fuck this fucking ron paul cunt

[Jaysmemories]

@KIRLES26 Fuck this fucking KIRLES26 cunt.

[nicesocialgirl]

abolish the visa. dont call someone illegal for being an immigrant, alien, or non-citizen. dont discriminate agianst people for being an immigrant, alien, or non-citizen. abolish homeland security.

promote vasectomy, tubial litigation, and condoms. People want jobs? teach them to make condoms and supplies for vasectomy and tubial litigatoin so they can produce these items and make them more widely available and free for all.

citizens shuld get the same rights as non-citizens.

[DerAngriff]

Following from my previous comment: RP does not believe in dog eat dog ala caring for your fellow man. Cool dude.

[MichaelLawlorRojas]

But don't you think that people who lose their jobs do need a bit of help? I want people to get jobs, but people need a lot of help when they lose their jobs.

Please, no angry responses, I just want opinions.

[DerAngriff]

@MichaelLawlorRojas. There should be some safety net. No economy is able to provide work for all employable people unless you live in a centrally planned/communist state. What are folks to do if they can't find work? I'm not talking about parasites - cradle to the grave welfare recipients but legitimate requirement for interim survival. What are the consequences to not providing the safety net? Higher crime rates, increased social instability = usually equals gated communities in sea of anarchy.

[MarkProffitt]

@DerAngriff The safety net is in order: savings, family, friends, and finally charity. More importantly interference in the free market causes the loss of jobs and makes it difficult to start businesses. Thailand is great example of social stability without any hand outs. Anyone who wants to sell things can do it in the "free market" a public place where you don't need to pay rent. Thailand has the lowest unemployment rate of any full sized nation in the world.

[DerAngriff]

@MarkProffitt Thailand is not comparable to U.S - the two cultures and societies are disparate. There may have been a time when 'friends and family' would or could have been a support base but American society has long since changed. The decline of the family unit (single parent), the loss of extended family relationships, the cost of living, mobility (migration away from friends/family) preclude in the main, that people can rely on those traditional relationships for support.

[MarkProffitt]

@DerAngriff So you admit that the violence of the state has destroyed the real safety net. The solution is simply to make a decision. Save, make friends, chose partners to form families that live the values that produce wealth and safety. It is all just a choice.

[DerAngriff]

@MarkProffitt There are also other factors to consider. Mass immigration into U.S of unskilled/semi-skilled labour (devaluing job market at lower end of employment spectrum), an economy that has become highly automated (technology) or has moved its production capabilities overseas, an over reliance on service sector (quality) jobs which are dependent on health of economy and knock on affect on sense of job security. A planned safety net, will be your only option to prevent social breakdown.

[MarkProffitt]

@DerAngriff Who plans the safety net? Who pays for the safety net? Who receives the benefit from the safety net? There are 15 Alternatives for each of those so there are 45 different types (multiple options for each type) 3x15 = 45 and 15^3 = 3375 combinations of the types. A centralized system of violence is not required. There are many many other options.

[MarkProffitt]

@MichaelLawlorRojas The problem is the conditions that cause loss of opportunity. If you could go out and work for cash or freely sell things on the street instead of needing a dozen or more licenses and cover 20-50% tax rate then no one who wanted an income would go without. Also the real cost of products would decrease. On top of that if the Fed / Government were not "printing money" causing inflation a person could save and prices would decrease as technology increased supply.

[n10city06]

This is why I don't support Ron Paul. When it comes to the most critical issues that are facing White Americans as a biological entity, he is "ho hum" about it. Illegal immigration from Mexico and the total takeover of our Southwest? Oh, that would be OK if we had a free market. Welfare? Oh, well we should help our fellow man...the real problem is the war in Pakistan! What is more important: a US bomb in Pakistan or a total takeover of America???

[IsaacKarjala]

@n10city06 sooo..... basically the reason you don't support a libertarian is because you aren't just not a libertarian but in fact the opposite of a libertarian. Glad we cleared that up, your support isn't missed.

[strattfordcrass]

@n10city06: The more important is to grow up and assume responsibilities, unlike the previous generation (Mexico?) and the current one (Iraq? Pakistan? Let you children deal with that!)

[mongoose704]

I can't stand neocons and aside from Ron Paul I see no difference between the two parties except for this: DemoRATS are the first to scream out demands for social welfare programs (but never want their tax bracket to fund it) but they are the last give a dollar of their own to the poor they encounter. It's "get a job or go on welfare!" As much as Republicans complain about social welfare, they are the FIRST to actually give money of their own to directly help someone in need.

[stucknad]

No one is flooding Japan with Non-Japanese and encouraging everyone to "mix".

No one is flooding Africa with Non-Africans and encouraging everyone to "mix".

Only citizens of White/European Countries like the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and all the countries in Europe are having uncontrolled immigration forced on them.

This "assimilation" or blending is nothing more than an attempt to wipe out the White race. It’s racial genocide.

They aren't anti-racists, they're anti-White.

[PeteEyre]

@stucknad It's not an issue of white vs non-white it's an issue of individualism vs statism.

People move to where the can obtain greater freedom and opportunities. From N. Korea to S. Korea; E. Germany to W. Germany; Mexico to the U.S.

The more-invasive the State the more usurped are individual rights. Ppl vote w/ their feet to escape tyranny - caused by a belief in an outside authority.

We own ourselves. Only when folks realize that will the harms of the State cease.

Google voluntaryism

[strattfordcrass]

@PeteEyre: You should expand the possibilities. People don't do thing just because there are always 2 options. "Freedom" is actually "opportunity of..." (so I assume there are just one. How old are you?)

[IsaacKarjala]

@stucknad Nazi fuck go back to Germany.

[strattfordcrass]

@stucknad: Who are forced the "uncontrolled immigration"? Maybe bad planned immigration/outsourcing jobs that are beneficial for some corporations on these countries? What "The Polish are coming" (on UK) and you will see young people with no job, kids, family, declining jobs offering and immediate assimilation, like: "You're talking about doing polish job? No way!" It happened in France as well. I doubt that not even you buy your own crap...

[Gbroadcaster]

Ron Paul kicks ass!

[Bugeda]

ron paul is the man, but "motorhomediaries" sounds like a porno

[rockssocal21]

the guy in the yellow is hot!

[jamierourketen]

so is it true you guys went to jail or what?

[blldgs101]

Well true, under this system we need a wall, becuse we need the dirt job. But he is right, under a libertarian system, we would all need 20 illegals to work for us, cusse business would be slamming, this is a fact, my family runs biz, and when times were good, we needed workers, and see! That is how it worked.

[strattfordcrass]

@blldgs101: If you really think like that and this scenario turn to be a real possibility, do you really think that people will accept that? I'm not suggesting you care about them, but we will have long and bloody wars, and like the Aristotle parable, the barbarian will always be the parasite of the polis. Sort of Mad Max. I don't like this scenario and when you figure it out what it means, I think you will agree...

[bigguy130]

Ron Paul is right on the illegal immigration and border security issue. I'm glad he did not cave in to pressure from the libertarian party people to advocate open borders and amnesty. During his campaign, he advocated no amnesty(no path to citizenship) for illegal aliens and for securing the border, ports and interior and enforcing laws on he books against illegal immigration. I'm glad he stood up to the open borders amnesty types(like E. Hancock) during his 2008 campaign and did not back down.

[stealthswimmer]

There's nothing wrong with amnesty itself. He took one possible route with his position, but another would be to suggest a constitutional amendment for amnesty and open borders, which would be legal. However, you could only do that after getting rid of , or at least dramatically scaling back, all welfare programs and deregulating hospitals and educational facilities so that the costs of entry in those parts of the market weren't so high and people could facilitate the increased demand.

[fmostermann]

Five stars for freedom; four stars for Ron Paul - immigration would cause economic troubles? This is the argument used by enemies of freedom when attacking free trade.

If you seek stable economic conditions, go Socialist! Capitalism is dynamic, unstable and unsafe. That's what's great about it!

[RidleyReport]

The entire crew of MHD was apparently arrested today and last I heard they are still in Jail. In Mississippi

details are at NHFree*com under the civil disobedience section.

[eesloan4]

He should have had a fan on him. It looks mighty hot in there. ha

[MS1719ms]

5 stars for freedom!! good job guys.

[dumpgrump]

good vid. dr. ron is an honest man, who cares about people,and has more common sense in his small finger,than all the hacks in washington!! 2012

[helpendthefed]

Ron Paul 2012

[DeraJa]

the doctor!

[justino81]

Thanks for calling him out on his reversal.

[MooseOfReason]

Dude, that was 20 years ago.

Being consistent for 20 years is something to boast about.

[justino81]

That's a fair point.

In the video, he said he voted against building a fence (starting at 3:08). Yet he did vote for a bill that included a 700-mile fence along the US-Mexican border, though he voted against the amendment to include the fence in the bill.

Secondly, I don't understand where in the constitution the federal government is given the power to enforce immigration. I know it did not in the original 13 states until at least the War of 1812.

[MooseOfReason]

It does give Congress the power "To establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization," although I'm sure the Founders would have wanted a simple, uniform rule, and not the nuanced, bureaucratic nonsense we have.

[justino81]

That was intended to prevent British agents from immigrating en masse by giving congress the power who may become a citizen for voting purposes. It does not give congress power to restrict those people from entering the US.

[MooseOfReason]

Do you have proof of their intentions?

[justino81]

The debates minutes published by Madison talked about it in relation to prohibiting the naturalization of citizens for a period of time (between seven and nine years).

Also, read Madison's Federalist No. 42. He talks about the problems of the Articles of Confederation with individuals being classified as either "free citizens" and "free inhabitants" and the jurisdictional problems that incurs. That was his claim, in any case.

[strattfordcrass]

@MooseOfReason: The World where a very different place at that time. Unless you can prove the Constitution is still the same.

[ZenithPlacidity]

he didn't reverse, technically speaking. He said that he simply couldn't continue supporting completely open borders without our country having a completely 100% free market, which it does not.

[ZenithPlacidity]

and since I can see where this conversation might go, I'd like to add that - I do not: think our country has ever been graced with a completely free market economy, not for any extended amount of time at least. Its always been perverted by fear and greed, which is our fault for letting it happen.

I do: think that a truly free market is the best complimentary economic structure for dealing with human nature, assuming we maintain its integrity.

[amadorjon]

blame hamilton!

[strattfordcrass]

@ZenithPlacidity: I truly agree with you, but it doesn't means that everyone else does.