Water injection in turbine outlet for fire suppression by Willimczik

[KanonenzugDora]

Der Gerät

[KuwNova]

blastiose 

[EternalHeavy]

The guy who built this is a genius!

[flamingxombie]

Beautiful. How does it quench-what is so different from more normal water spray? Do you control the diameter of the spray produced?

[flamingxombie]

What's the diameter of the droplets produced by the way? Do you measure them?

[4K4K1K0]

Halb-OT: Wird das Feuer jetzt eher durch das Abkühlen oder durch das Ersticken gelöscht? Weil ich bilde mir ein gelesen zu haben, dass die Behauptung dass Brände durch Abkühlen gelöscht werden, Blödsinn sei.

[Sideshowmatt123]

0:12 - did he say "shitstorm"?

[mididoctors]

you see mr tracy..... calling international rescue

[neko9]

feel the powa! :D

[vanwahlgren]

Cool, Great Idea hungarians. They are also responsible for the invention of the Hungarian cannon.

[BullseyeHun]

@vanwahlgren

What is the Hungarian cannon? I'm hungarian and never heard of it...

[Malaka57]

@BullseyeHun maybe when one eats too much bableves???

[mcteeth]

reminds me of when i pee.

[jobranLB]

they need this in california

[mtwjr]

It looks like powerranger

[Fan119]

they used this thing to put out oil well fires in the desert . they managed to put out only a hand full of fires when other companies put out five times as many. the other companies used bombs to blow out the fires and sand and water to plug up the wells .

[InventorWillimczik]

Yes, the reason was they came very late and could not show their full potential any more.

Considering it realistically this method is cheaper and faster with less danger. It prevents also a re-igniting, what may happen with dynamite, because it works over a longer time and over a greater area than an explosion.

[Malaka57]

Bingo... and as a journalist with good connections in Hungary at the time, I tried to do a story on this, but the American press was swamped with Red Adair, whose process is slower, more expensive and far more dangerous. The US media were -- and still are -- completely uninterested in the world at large, hence the distorted view that many Americans have of the rest of the world... But that's another story:-)

[YOURPENGUY]

@Malaka57 1896 Erdbeben Sanriku Tsunami in Japan womöglich kann als die zu den tödlichsten der hergestellten elektromagnetischen Nikola Teslas seismische Ereignisse werden. Diese Katastrophe, dass Tesla machte einen großen Eindruck auf Japans Geschichte gelassen. Während eines Festivals am 15. Juni 1896, ein Erdbeben vor der Küste von Sanriku, geschätzte Japan auf 8,5 Größenordnung auf der Richer-Skala werden

[delapeyre]

neet but not anew idea at all. most turbines on jet aircraft are water injected for more power at altitude runways.But this is a novel use.

[ronfake1]

Big difference between injecting water into the intake of the engine and into the air stream behind the motor. And... this is about 10000 times more water than is used for power boost.

[delapeyre]

As i said a novel idea one i have seen used in the army in 1989 at the groetfontein airstrip in South Africa. Its a "Novel Way to remove the heat out of the fire" but not a new idea at all!

[InventorWillimczik]

I had this idea 1959. Perhaps somebody had the same idea earlier. I could not check it in East-Germany. If you have any source earlier than 1959 I would appreciate it if you could name it. The secret police, the SSD/Stasi, took it from me as I was in political prison and gave it to the "big brother"- the Russians.

[sourcerror]

@delapeyre

I guess that was used to deice the runways. The novel thing here is the use as a fire extuinguisher.

[srv788]

Turbines on aircraft are NOT injected with water. Turbines power curves peak at high altitudes. There is no need for water at all.

[drlogic1978]

@srv 788

Dude, firstly yes turbines can be injected with water (for instance F4 Phantoms would effectively dump water into the afterburner to get off the ground with high payloads) but in anycase you have totally missed the point - water is injected into the turbine to be sprayed onto a burning oil fire.

[wpociengel]

uh look again the water nozzles are next to the turbine. That's what those pipes are.

[espentan]

No, the nozzles next to the turbine only supply additional water. I suppose there is a limit to how much water you can feed directly into the jet stream from the engine, so by dumping additional water on top of the jet stream after it exits the engine will allow it to spray a lot more water onto it's target.

[trangdung1]

wow....what a technology.

[TopGunMan]

thats damn sexy

[GpunktHartman]

Hi Willimczik,

ich habe im "Paradise in Fire Video" dein Video den Feuerwehrleuten ans Herz gelegt .... die sollen den Arnie mal mobilisieren ...

Ich kann nur sagen chapeau ... tolle Idee ich dachte ursprünglich wirklich mal, die Ungarn hätten soviel Hirn zusammengebracht !!!

Und ja in Amiland gibt es doch wirklich genug alte Tanks und Jettriebwerke ... und die lassen jedes JAhr halb CA verbrennen ....

[flight110]

That's a very cool idea! Are there many built, or just this one.

[InventorWillimczik]

Nobody know how many are build.

What is very sad. Just now California is burning again and there are non. Ask your officials or FEMA etc why not.

Enough old tanks and turbines are in the US. Nothing would be easier than put them together...

[Battleship009]

Now it's Arizona.

[MightyMagyarz]

@flight110 Just saw a documentary in the TV about this wonderful machine: In th 70's we installed a single turbine to two trucks (1 each), but it was not efficient anymore in the 80's (gas came from deeper at our wells -> higher pressure, bigger fires) so they designed and built the Big Wind. After the Gulf war "show" many were interested but only Lybia ordered 1 (noone knows where it is now). This one is still in service in Hungary.

[nissanR92CP]

your an inventor? so am i, thats prety cool machine you built. but how does the turbine not choke itself out if the water is being introduced to the engines internals? is the water being re-routed to avoid the combustion chamber?

[InventorWillimczik]

You see in the video that the water is injected after the outlet. You see the big water pipes over the outlet of the turbine. Water is seldom injected in the combustion chamber, for instance the B52 used this for the start. The difference is also - much less water. (I am also a physicist.)

[nissanR92CP]

oh yes i see now, from the angles it seemed that a big wave of water was coming out of the turbine itself. sory about that.

[MarcinP2]

Wouldn't be possible. The impacts of dropplets of water would destroy turbine blades.

Yes I was also thinking first when I saw it it's a turbojet engine with water injected in the outer tunnel, but that would also destroy the engine.

It's an awesome invenction, but MIG engines are pretty weak. I think a turbofan engine would be much better (and exhaust temperature would be lower).

This is a really cool idea and very practical. There is no other device that could give such output.

[Herc99]

This is how I shower every morning...

[tsport100]

Brilliant!! That looks like something out of the Thunderbirds.

Here's an idea, how about a large water jet drive (like a jetski, but more like the size used on large high speed Cat ferry's) attached to the underside of a firefighting aircraft. Instead of just opening bomb bay doors as they do now which seems very inefficient, each airborne water dump can cover a larger area per water load using a high volume jet drive to regulate the drop. ??

[igetbannedtoomuch]

**mn that thing looks like a tank

[InventorWillimczik]

It was a tank. Imagine such a tank with one pivotal turbine would be able to drive though a wildfire day and night -- also under difficult conditions. The today's wild fires in California could be extinguished much faster. I wrote to Governor Schwarzenegger years ago a letter (and FEMA) to build such a device, but got never any reaction...(Only the Germans developed such a fire truck with water turbines or water jet.) If somebody has a connection he should wake them up - the sleeping officials.

[igetbannedtoomuch]

lol they should make em that way they have a use for broken down tanks or tanks that arent fit for battle because its not like youll have rockets coming out of fire it would save money (and homes) if anything.

[sulaimanalsaeedy]

very good

[nic4r]

german things rocks !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! swe

[matumaate]

why is the movie so short ??

looks cool

[TopGunMan]

OMG i felt like i was watching a vid on a super-howitzer or something but it was a fire extinguisher. thats how cool it is. holy cow the fire might as well run away.

[bum291]

Or use the IFEX.

[rsaba]

Thanks God for the Engineers

[z7medjai7z]

boring

[GotIt123]

Alot of wasted effort and money. With a blow out the easlist thing to do is to surrond and drowned with Purple-K(alot though) and hit the well head with CAFS of AFFF to cool it below ignition temp.

[IrnotHektor]

This was a Danish invention and they only extinguished like 3 small fires with it in the entire time they were there.  Of the 700+ fires that were lit in kuwait Red Adaire, Boots and Coots, and Wild Well Control extinguished more than 76 percent using Halliburton's Abrasive Hydrocutter to chop the well-head off with high pressure water then they would throw a Blow Out Prev entor on it and shut it in.... Pretty efficent. But this was made to attract attention so that's what it does.

[Kazilikaya]

Too bad that Red Adaire didnt use a liquid nitrogen jet(as in spray) instead! Couldve saved A LOT of time and money. Liquid nitrogen is the perfect tool for putting out oil fires. It sucks the heat right out of the fire which is crucial and its inertness prevents reignition and stops the combustion reaction dead in its tracks.

[sampsalol]

I would imagine it to be exactly the opposite.. Water is cheap and doesn't have to be stored in special conditions like liquid nitrogen and liquid nitrogen is expensive.. Besides water seems to do the trick very well.

[Kazilikaya]

When combustible hydrocarbons start burning in large quantities like this, the temperature of the flame soars into the thousands of degrees. That much heat will simply vaporize water in a flash before it can actually make contact with the flame. Liquid Nitrogen IS used as a fire suppressant at many oil refineries for the reasons that I mentioned. Most of the oil fires in Kuwait were put out using explosives.

[sampsalol]

I believe you are correct but I really don't see a reason to use expensive liquid nitrogen because it isn't particularly easy to transport around with a couple of jet engines. Anyways according to this video the water seems to work just as well.

I would imagine liquid nitrogen to be effective at non moving locations such as refineries, where I doubt they have jet engines. I think this is kinda "experimental" yet? But then again, I'm no expert.

[sourcerror]

@sampsalol : Liquid nitrogen costs roughly the same as crude oil, so it's not too expensive.

[joshuapg21]

STFU!!

[usedcardealershipguy]

i thought that was the Russians...and those were engines from Miggs...

[amazingcookies]

yup but russain mili stuff goes evry where XD

[SnowyAstra]

You should allow embedding, That way i wont have to come here everytime i don't want to watch videos >:(

[SScorpio42113]

Holy jesus.... that is awesome.

[razer1000]

lol you could take control pretty quickly by using one of those at a watergun fight lmao!!

[jerryaltman]

Uhh. I think it works to kill the fire not due water itself, but vapor. The turbine it's so hot that evaporet a lot of the watrer, and the vapor moves the oxigen aorund the fire, killing the fire since it can't "breath" (get oxigwen) with so much vapor aorund. Asphyxiation of the fire!

[jerryaltman]

WHY THEY DON'T USE DYNAMITE ANYMORE TO EXTINGUISH THE FIRE, LIKE IN OLD FIMS. dYNAMITE EXPLOSION WOULD IN THEORY CONSUME ALL OXIGEN AROUND AND KILL THE FIRE.

[Esrohnoil]

Hungarian engineers. :D

We hungarians, help building the world, while you are destroying it...

Jeah, welcome America!

[avclubvids]

awesome machine!

[fisty86]

wuahah power GIMMIE POWER...:D

[GeekAustin]

$HIT!

[ummalingur]

this would be really helpful for crowd control, just one look at this thing and a threat of a thousand gallons of waters flowing over you at a force of 30 charging rhinos, and people would go running :P

[spamjaffo]

Looks like something that just came out of Thunderbird 2 :)

[omarsdroog]

most likely not for house fires. Could have been nice on oil fires after deset storm though.

[tanvach]

I would guess the combination of water vapor and CO2 from the exhaust helps to quench the flame.

[mrminty]

Not very efficient... But i guess that doesn't really matter.

[zwanphony]

mmm embedding. sure is a win-win.

what's the mixture of water/air coming out? fire needs air...they should just make a big vaccuum and suck the fire in it therefore allowing the fire to burn what is sucked in and only what's sucked in

[paraxxx]

"sucking the fire in". Hilarious, man... any physics classes you took lately? :)

[madderhatter]

You really should enable embedding of that video.  If not you're shooting yourself in the foot. A lot of people don't like to redirect to yet another site when they thought they were going to see it on the first site they were at. I nearly didn't.

[InventorWillimczik]

@ madderhatter

Sorry -- I am new here. I stopped embedding, because the user 24on Fox took my video as his own. How is this possible? How can this be prevented?

I made a new video for embedding.

[avclubvids]

seconded

[DanArmanno]

Might have a small problem putting out house fires :P

[TacoJack]

Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these.

[cavaliersfan124]

Btw, hey everyone over at PSU :D

[cavaliersfan124]

Looks awesome but I have a bad feeling that the pressure from that would send huge parts of a house flying around town.

Just to powerfull to be used on houses with fire fighters.

[InventorWillimczik]

Yes, but in my brain exist also such version for houses, but it takes time...

This idea is from 1959!

Inventor Wolfhart Willimczik

[jtstogner]

It was designed for oil field fires and other applications are not an option. Now if you were to attach a smaller turbine engine out of an Apache or some other helicopter you would get less thrust thus able to use it for other situations.

[Sturms]

Yeh I don't think thats what it would be used for, mainly oil or gas well fires by the looks of things.

[rebirth216]

damm thats incredible

[paraxxx]

... and you don't need computers to operate it, just a load of kerosene for the MIG-21 engines built on top, and some water to extinguish the fire...

[InventorWillimczik]

...and there is no handling of dynamite any more.

[hardcoregamer808]

"some water" more like enough water to fill like a million swimming pools

[pelojf]

Good engineering!

[InventorWillimczik]

thank you for the "flowers"  :)

Wolfhart Willimczik