dude where do i get Stanley's shirt is my question. @ JohanRyanh where i agree with your comment i'm saddened to see that it's one of the top comments. i propose to cover the other comments with such as "damn, these guys RULE!" people who don't like RTF clearly aren't interested in music on a deep level, so their comments are irrelevant :)
I just love Lenny White's drumming... then again I love Chick's keyboard work, Al Di Meola's guitar work, and Stanley Clarke's bass playing. Isn't Return to Forever Great?
@thrashmetalkills I remember hearing Return to Forever about 10 years ago, but I do not remember them being very good. But listening to this now makes me think maybe I had sampled some of their inferior material.
And YES, I love this kind of jazz drum style, real loose and intense. Lenny White's style is very similar to Billy Cobham when he was in Mahavishnu Orchestra.
I would call this fusion (betwen jazz and progg) from the best band (together with Weather Report - Tale Spinnin´ and Black Market) in that category. Their somewhat newer album Romanic Warrior (around 1976-1977) is what I consider the best fusion album ever, but No Mystery and Where have I seen you before are also fantastic...
I can listen to that music the rest of my life after having aquired the taste for three decades already :-)
@toskoramone Jazz ,like all divisions and sub-divisions, becomes more difficult to nail down by the day.
This piece has a complex harmonic structure and a high level of improvisation....at least two of the constituent parts that most people would say defines jazz.
Either way it's just music to me...and very very good music too. Maybe you don't like it but that doesn't mean it's not jazz (doesn't mean it is either!).
@Mogpiano1 Yeah, indeed it is hard to define such a broad genre. I don't know, to me this just deviates too much from what usually is called jazz; the harmony really is complex and there is broad improvisation, but neither are very jazzy if you ask me. I still haven't decided wether i like this or not. I just found it bothering to see everyone saying how this is the highest point in jazz history and all that.
@toskoramone There's no high point, for me it's an evolution. This is a move on from say Miles Davis who moved on from maybe Charlie Parker and so it goes. However, each to his own. There are really only two types of music, the stuff you like and the stuff you don't.
Have you heard this band play "No Mystery"? It's more acoustic and has a different kind of appeal.
If you are not a musician yourself its normal you cant actually hear a music line or something going on. Its actually all orchestrated. You need to have a good ear to be able to understand what's going on. Thats all.
What do you mean, 'where's the song?' ? It's right infront of you buddy, you just gotta listen to all the instruments and all the groovy lines they are playing. Just cause its not right in your face with a verse and then a chorus and rinse and repeat for 3 minutes, doesnt make it "not a song".Most RTF songs got good quality themes and lines that stick in your head.
@TheHawkdaddy "music that touches upon true feeling and emotion where you can be absorbed by the music itself"
wow, there's such negativity all over these comments... especially the top ones, wow. does anyone know that jazz is a genre that opens itself to new ideas, if it didn't there would be no bop, no improvisation, no spontaneity. its not a classical piece its not pop its not Beatles, its not popular because not many people find it interesting, but for those that do find this to be good music and interesting... just let us have this, quit putting it down, you're not forced to listen to it.
To those claiming jazz is beyond dead and everything has been done, I'd like to disagree. Bands like Medeski Martin & wood are taking jazz and adding modern aspects to it such as a dj set and custom percussion. Theyre starting a whole new subgenre to jazz, branching the genre out to a wider audience.
Genres such as hip hop and dubstep and electronica dont have nearly as many branches as the far advanced genre of jazz, simply because dubstep and such is a dead end. What more are you gonna make o
It's ... fairly easy to pick up the themes in this song, perhaps the people who are having problems absorbing this fairly simple song might find their energy better spent listening to something else rather than composing ignorant diatribes. Not every piece of music can be summed up in I, IV, V. Thank god for that.
I don't get it...nice licks and all but where's the song? These guys should listen to some Beatles. And the egos here...If I were Chick I'd be too embarrassed to talk in public. I bet their audiences are 99% male musicians. I heard these guys last year at NAMM - and every year - into infinity - are these guys...at NAMM...over and over...every NAMM musician is one of these guys.
@allforyouz if you keep with this music taste, one day, when its too late, your going to realize what youve missed out on and youre going to regret it.
@brianownsall123 Regret what? Raging face is more fun than sitting in a fucking dark ass depressing jazz club pretending I'm better than everyone not in there. Get over yourselves.
@brianownsall123 Why, exactly should I leave? I have the right to express my opinion and you have the right to pretend to be some cool music expert (you're not).
amazing. im not going to say that rap, hip hop, dubstep, electro music is shit, because its all a matter of opinion. its just the thing that pisses me off about those styles is that the people that play that music (rap, hiphop etc.) get ridiculous amounts of fame, fortune, etc. when essentially all they do it click the mouse and talk to an autotune machine. Then there's amzing musicians like Return to Forever who barely rack up 360,000 views over 4 years. its sad..
@brianownsall123 i like all kinds of music... But i am annoyed to coz of the fact that people who mostly promote a life style and a specific fashion type become famous while others like stanley clarke who have dedicated their lfie to music and their instruments are barely known.... for example Jay Z... is he an artist at all? i mean he just promotes the "nigga clothes" and talks about crap on MTV...
Technically anything a Dj does no matter what tool, will be of percussive qualities. But the best djs will have a vast knowledge of music and incorporate their understandings to their element. A jazz musician creates from their entire life experience of playing their instrument. Not sayin dubstep can't have that quality, but I'm afraid its way too early to brag about its superiority to jazz. That said, listen to Sa-Ra or Robert Glasper, or a band called Snarky Puppy. They all shit on dubstep. =)
I play many instruments, guitar, drums, bass, trumpet, you name it. Have you ever tried making a dubstep song? It's a whole different world of music. It's so ridiculously hard to make it sound legit. Listening to music just for technicalities in instrumentation is boring.
@johnmorisi8 i never said i was listening to this just for technicalities. and is dubstep not done entirely on a computer? there's no manual playing of an instrument then. you choose which sounds you want to use and set them to a time signature, granted you can mess with this to a certain extent to make it sound "legit." doesn't seem very difficult to me.
Then why should instrumentation have anything to do with music? Why should you need to know an instrument to understand the "mastery". You're obviously talking about the technicality of the music. There's much more to dubstep than you think. You can say the same thing about jazz, you take a couple lesson, learn a few scales, find some friends to improv with... there, jazz. You need to know how to make music to make dubstep, jazz you just need to know how to play an instrument.
@johnmorisi8 well, i disagree. i would say you need to know more about "making" music with jazz than any other genre that i know of. sure, you need to know how to play an instrument, but you also need to be very mindful of music theory, very aware of staying in key while still giving the song a fresh feel to it. i think you know nothing about music. or maybe i just hate dubstep because it doesnt sound like music.
More than any other genre, that's quite a big claim. Most jazz you can hit any note you want in any key, the only wrong note, is one you play unintentionally. I think I know a hell lot more about music than you. Nothing is "fresh" with jazz, it has all been done to death, that's why it's a dead genre. You need to open up your ears to new things. 95% of music isn't made using music theory, it's using emotion, and feeling, something that soulless jazz lacks.
@johnmorisi8 look, i don't care if you like jazz or not. it's not like it's the only thing i listen to, in fact it's a small fraction. but my point is that dubstep really fucking sucks. its like the nasty bi-product of technological advancement and has no place in the realm of music. i might enjoy it if i'm hammered, maybe, really fucking hammered. but if jazz is boring to you, don't listen to it. but don't be talking about "soul" while defending dubstep, thats like the paradox of the millenium.
@EpiclyConnor I did say douchebag, it just spelt it D-Bag. If you have the word epic in your name, the chance's you have terrible taste in everything increases 10 fold. It's scientifically proven.
I'm 16. I love Jazz, Classical, Fusion, The blues etc. old music doesn't mean that modern people can't like it. I like good modern stuff as well like Dream Theater, Meshuggah (or the Djent movement in general), Buckethead, Porcupine tree etc. but old music does not = old people music.
I have much more dating xperience than you, I can guarantee you that. And Buckethead isn't a faggot, He is God of the chickens. And slunks. And guitar.
Funny how you assume that my taste in music ends with DT and Buckethead. Might want to check my file. You have like 4 bands in your entire favorites list. I have hundreds and at least 250 bands and artists listed on my channel hat I enjoy. I'm a music nerd... does that mean I'm a boring person? You can't stereotype my personality based on the music I listen to because I listen to too much. It's not like there aren't female musical nerds too, grow up.
@allforyouz I don't want to see return to forever do that, they have made a career of real music so to "do what he(skrillex) does would be making one out of fake music.
@EpiclyConnor Aside from the name that I hope you choose when you were 12 and just starting out on this site, fake music is the stupidest term I've ever heard. If anything these guys are fake music because they are playing without any soul. Too much structure can kill a person. Dubstep is 100% improv 100% of the time. No Exceptions, you know you're getting euphoric sounds when that bass drops.
@allforyouz dubstep superior to jazz? everyone knows that the easiest way to get pissed off is to read some youtube comments but this is one of the dumbest examples i have ever read. do you have any idea what goes into developing this kind of virtuosity? Or developing your improv skills so that you can play what you hear on demand? tens of thousands of hours of practice. jazz is timeless, dubstep is a fad. let's see if people are still looking up skrillex 30 years from now.that's the real test
@allforyouz Dubstep is a product of the fall of turntablism. My hometown is the same as the Invisbl Skratch Piklz, and I've lived through the inception of Dubstep, and I can tell you right now, all your Dubstep heroes listened to jazz all day. I'm a self-proclaimed jazz musician myself, but I'm also a Dj, so I understand both worlds. First off, a dubstep dj IS a jazz-musician, being his Ableton/turntables as his musical instrument.
@allforyouz Although true that Dubstep thrives on improv, you cannot deny the mastery of improv that jazz musicians have. Its not particularly that either is better than the other. It is completely impractical to compare the two. They have different purposes. It's like comparing a Rhino to a Cat, there are aside from the fact that they are animals there is no comparison. I think referring to some of the greatest musicians of our time as "chumps" also reflects your ignorance to the field of jazz.
Type of instruments and structure set aside Jazz lacks the feeling that Dubstep brings. When you throw on those headphones and that drop comes, you just feel it. When I place Kind Of Blue onto my turntable, it just lacks something. I know it's hard to compare the two, but there's just something Dubstep has that Jazz can never bring. Although Jazz is great, both being equally complex Dubstep has to take the win in this argument.
@allforyouz can't really tell if troll..but okay might as well. First, to call Skrillex dubstep is a little bit of a misnomer. I'm no expert but DUBstep comes from DUB roots buddy. Rusko, Caspa, Skream, the guys who made roots reggae their own dance style, that is dubstep. So with that in mind, Skrillex is more 'screamo-singer turned electro-house'. I have seen Sonny live, and its gosh darn catchy and gets people moving, but it is not improv by any means (it's a fad). also fuck you jazz is sweet
Are you kidding? Why would I respect such a genre. The artists and the fans all have such pompous attitudes towards this terribly boring music that revolves around technicalities to bring excitement. Unfortunately for you and the few like minded people that try to preserve this beyond dead style of music, you will never understand music that touches upon true feeling and emotion where you can be absorbed by the music itself.
Jazz has expanded how people play instruments and arrange music. Without Jazz music may not have evolved in the way it did. If it isn't your taste fine, but have respect for the doors it broke down.
There are popmus assholes at every show. Every dubstep fan I have ever met is a snob. Don't blame a genre of music based on its fans. Thats just plain stupid.
Jazz isn't dead by any means. Its not about selling records.
@TheHawkdaddy Yeah. I knew you guys would get all worked up about somebody saying they didn't like something you did. All these video's a pretty much a circle jerk of you music nerds.
Dubstep just catches vibes. You can get so into it. Close your eyes, throw on some headphones... nothing like it. As for Ska, I think the world might be better without it. Don't get me wrong Sublime without Rome is great... but they're barely ska at all, they're more of dirty punk rock. Ska is just a horrible genre where everything sounds the same. The same with jazz, maybe they influenced ska, but the only other genre it influence was more jazz.
@johnmorisi8 i find this music to be quite exciting and filled with emotion. you shouldn't assume everyone reacts the same way as you do to certain types of music. dub-step for me is boring but some people don't what complicated music and that's ok.
Davelovesjazz, thank you for posting this video greatly appreciated. Wish you would have included the ending of this song and not cut it short. It takes away from the whole of the composition. That aside, my thanks again for all of the great videos you have!
@itsphysics i agree totally! jazz changes everytime it is played. the recording is only one version of the song in its lifetime. when played live the musicians absorb the energy of the audience which is different from the energy in a studio. they feed off this energy to give you the best performance possible
definitely one of the greatest "supergroup" of musicians, in my opinion. each one of these guys is incredible at their instrument. i can't stop listening to this
This caliber of performance puts them up in the rarified air where a HQ live recording is hard to distinguish from the studio. I love these kind of groups, they're an awesome mixture of talent and performance, while still being able to keep the original feeling of the record. A music pet peeve of mine is where a band makes a phenomenal studio cut, then goes on tour with a 200 MPH half-hearted mutilated version of it.
These guys could show up on your front porch and still make it sound original
What blows my mind is that a video like this has less than 400,000 views while Rebecca Black's video "Friday has 120 Million. Appartently there aren't that many musicians in the world. To anyone who likes this video, check out SMV Thunder Tour.
ttttaaaaa lllllloooooccccoooooo.... the best band!!!
forelhaforelha 2 days ago
Stanley at 5:27 MY GOD !
serantes1375 6 days ago
This vid went viral on Sao Tome and Principe
jesusfields35 1 week ago
Wow.... A friend just sent me a link to this, reminds me of Squarepushers more Jazz type stuff .
Lush.
TheDreamClaw 1 week ago
Amazing!!!! One of the best jazz fusion bands ever!!!
acarterjazz 2 weeks ago 2
the zenith
blogjammer 2 weeks ago
Return to Forever music will live forever, it is timeless. Just like my other famous quartet the Beatles - timeless. Fantastic!
mcintoshcameron1955 3 weeks ago
wow, al has become a skillful guitarist since his early age..
sulijoker 3 weeks ago
This video went viral on Nouakchott
beverlybradley210 4 weeks ago
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GITTZA 1 month ago
I love it when i see the top comments talk about people needing to be more open and not hate on the music, even though NOBODY is talking shit on it
floydtibbs 1 month ago 3
Robbie Williams ripped this song off hard. Listen to millenium.
Dennoire 2 months ago
the best fusion band ever!
TheStormFinder 2 months ago
Don't you remember another Jazz Fusion band Caldera?
They are so ahead of their time that the band didn't have any success.
You can listen some of the Caldera songs in my channel.
brainysnaeha 2 months ago
dude where do i get Stanley's shirt is my question. @ JohanRyanh where i agree with your comment i'm saddened to see that it's one of the top comments. i propose to cover the other comments with such as "damn, these guys RULE!" people who don't like RTF clearly aren't interested in music on a deep level, so their comments are irrelevant :)
ExitosGnosis 2 months ago
What bass is this??
andalltheaces 2 months ago
@andalltheaces it's an alembic bass and they are sadly extreamely expensive :(
GITTZA 1 month ago
Greand Dialogic
DavGliAl 2 months ago
After seeing this video it's obvious just how much Hiromi took influence from Chick Corea
anthonym612 3 months ago
I just love Lenny White's drumming... then again I love Chick's keyboard work, Al Di Meola's guitar work, and Stanley Clarke's bass playing. Isn't Return to Forever Great?
thrashmetalkills 3 months ago
@thrashmetalkills I remember hearing Return to Forever about 10 years ago, but I do not remember them being very good. But listening to this now makes me think maybe I had sampled some of their inferior material.
And YES, I love this kind of jazz drum style, real loose and intense. Lenny White's style is very similar to Billy Cobham when he was in Mahavishnu Orchestra.
TheRipper999 2 months ago
I would call this fusion (betwen jazz and progg) from the best band (together with Weather Report - Tale Spinnin´ and Black Market) in that category. Their somewhat newer album Romanic Warrior (around 1976-1977) is what I consider the best fusion album ever, but No Mystery and Where have I seen you before are also fantastic...
I can listen to that music the rest of my life after having aquired the taste for three decades already :-)
tevevid 3 months ago in playlist tevevid's favorites
Chick Corea is a very good musician but fuck he is so ugly
ccrstucook 3 months ago
@ccrstucook both of your comments are extreme understatements.
LovingGod2 3 months ago
@LovingGod2 Im sorry men I dont speak very well English
ccrstucook 3 months ago
This is Jazz`s 25th child expressing him or herself. Just another long, strong branch off the root from the tree which we call Jazz.
444agentsmith 3 months ago
Wow, i really like jazz, but if there's anything that this has to do with jazz, i'd appreciate it if someone could tell me what it is.
toskoramone 4 months ago
@toskoramone Jazz ,like all divisions and sub-divisions, becomes more difficult to nail down by the day.
This piece has a complex harmonic structure and a high level of improvisation....at least two of the constituent parts that most people would say defines jazz.
Either way it's just music to me...and very very good music too. Maybe you don't like it but that doesn't mean it's not jazz (doesn't mean it is either!).
Mogpiano1 4 months ago
@Mogpiano1 Yeah, indeed it is hard to define such a broad genre. I don't know, to me this just deviates too much from what usually is called jazz; the harmony really is complex and there is broad improvisation, but neither are very jazzy if you ask me. I still haven't decided wether i like this or not. I just found it bothering to see everyone saying how this is the highest point in jazz history and all that.
toskoramone 4 months ago
@toskoramone There's no high point, for me it's an evolution. This is a move on from say Miles Davis who moved on from maybe Charlie Parker and so it goes. However, each to his own. There are really only two types of music, the stuff you like and the stuff you don't.
Have you heard this band play "No Mystery"? It's more acoustic and has a different kind of appeal.
Respect.
Mogpiano1 4 months ago
@toskoramone
rapist stache
howycwap 3 months ago
Chick looks like an accountant here. A really groovy accountant.
Pizuzuzimmer 4 months ago 8
This is advance level of Jazz
weldonrocks1 4 months ago
@weldonrocks1 ....no, it's not lol...
Tengent 4 months ago
crazy keyboard
bigman6190 4 months ago
If you are not a musician yourself its normal you cant actually hear a music line or something going on. Its actually all orchestrated. You need to have a good ear to be able to understand what's going on. Thats all.
Batuhankorman 5 months ago
@Batuhankorman EXACTLY!
ShittyMcPoopyBalls 4 months ago
@Batuhankorman
Really? Never heard of this phenomenon... Makes me sad for those people :(
Skinky123 4 months ago
What do you mean, 'where's the song?' ? It's right infront of you buddy, you just gotta listen to all the instruments and all the groovy lines they are playing. Just cause its not right in your face with a verse and then a chorus and rinse and repeat for 3 minutes, doesnt make it "not a song".Most RTF songs got good quality themes and lines that stick in your head.
@TheHawkdaddy "music that touches upon true feeling and emotion where you can be absorbed by the music itself"
Any examples?
Skinky123 5 months ago
Thumbs up for jazz!!!!! Thumbs down for minwav and johnmoris!!!!!
speedskis777 5 months ago
Larry White is a BADASS!!!
chienchu77 5 months ago
@chienchu77 lenny white*
applefrltter 4 months ago
Its jazz not pop you moron....
chienchu77 5 months ago
wow, there's such negativity all over these comments... especially the top ones, wow. does anyone know that jazz is a genre that opens itself to new ideas, if it didn't there would be no bop, no improvisation, no spontaneity. its not a classical piece its not pop its not Beatles, its not popular because not many people find it interesting, but for those that do find this to be good music and interesting... just let us have this, quit putting it down, you're not forced to listen to it.
JohanRyahn 5 months ago 9
To those claiming jazz is beyond dead and everything has been done, I'd like to disagree. Bands like Medeski Martin & wood are taking jazz and adding modern aspects to it such as a dj set and custom percussion. Theyre starting a whole new subgenre to jazz, branching the genre out to a wider audience.
Genres such as hip hop and dubstep and electronica dont have nearly as many branches as the far advanced genre of jazz, simply because dubstep and such is a dead end. What more are you gonna make o
brianownsall123 5 months ago
@allforyouz A) you need to calm the fuck down and get the sand outta your vag alright?
B) stop judging people's music taste, blatantly insulting still very popular genres, and stop trolling lol. Rather pathetic.
brianownsall123 5 months ago
It's ... fairly easy to pick up the themes in this song, perhaps the people who are having problems absorbing this fairly simple song might find their energy better spent listening to something else rather than composing ignorant diatribes. Not every piece of music can be summed up in I, IV, V. Thank god for that.
Qwaarf 5 months ago
Super hot line up!
ribs303 5 months ago
kind of wish the top comments weren't negative towards the music, which is what it is after all - just music.
davidturner9823 5 months ago
I don't get it...nice licks and all but where's the song? These guys should listen to some Beatles. And the egos here...If I were Chick I'd be too embarrassed to talk in public. I bet their audiences are 99% male musicians. I heard these guys last year at NAMM - and every year - into infinity - are these guys...at NAMM...over and over...every NAMM musician is one of these guys.
minwav 5 months ago
@caramelmaleful What are you gay? Who asks a guy to hold their nuts? Fucking weirdo.
allforyouz 5 months ago
@caramelmaleful who the fuck doesn't know APU's name. Fucking loser, get off the internet.
allforyouz 5 months ago
@allforyouz Shut up and leave.
brianownsall123 5 months ago
@brianownsall123 No.
allforyouz 5 months ago
@allforyouz if you keep with this music taste, one day, when its too late, your going to realize what youve missed out on and youre going to regret it.
brianownsall123 5 months ago
@brianownsall123 Regret what? Raging face is more fun than sitting in a fucking dark ass depressing jazz club pretending I'm better than everyone not in there. Get over yourselves.
allforyouz 5 months ago
@brianownsall123 Regret what? Not listening to old people music and helping further a dying genre?
allforyouz 5 months ago
@brianownsall123 Also, you listen to Metallica. They fucking suck and are totally unoriginal. Really, just stop.
allforyouz 5 months ago
@brianownsall123
I'm sure he will look back and think, "damn, I could have taken more naps to that jazz".
johnmorisi8 5 months ago
@brianownsall123 Why, exactly should I leave? I have the right to express my opinion and you have the right to pretend to be some cool music expert (you're not).
allforyouz 5 months ago
i like dupstep but this video is about FUSION JAZZ. and this kind of music is above all others :)
aproksenos 5 months ago
@aproksenos Lol K.
allforyouz 5 months ago
@aproksenos Fusion jazz isn't even respected in the jazz community. It's worse than Kenny G to some people.
allforyouz 5 months ago
amazing. im not going to say that rap, hip hop, dubstep, electro music is shit, because its all a matter of opinion. its just the thing that pisses me off about those styles is that the people that play that music (rap, hiphop etc.) get ridiculous amounts of fame, fortune, etc. when essentially all they do it click the mouse and talk to an autotune machine. Then there's amzing musicians like Return to Forever who barely rack up 360,000 views over 4 years. its sad..
brianownsall123 5 months ago
@brianownsall123 i like all kinds of music... But i am annoyed to coz of the fact that people who mostly promote a life style and a specific fashion type become famous while others like stanley clarke who have dedicated their lfie to music and their instruments are barely known.... for example Jay Z... is he an artist at all? i mean he just promotes the "nigga clothes" and talks about crap on MTV...
aproksenos 5 months ago
@aproksenos thats true.. its a pretty messed up system..
brianownsall123 5 months ago
@aproksenos Racist.
allforyouz 5 months ago
so heavy!
jazzpman 5 months ago
Technically anything a Dj does no matter what tool, will be of percussive qualities. But the best djs will have a vast knowledge of music and incorporate their understandings to their element. A jazz musician creates from their entire life experience of playing their instrument. Not sayin dubstep can't have that quality, but I'm afraid its way too early to brag about its superiority to jazz. That said, listen to Sa-Ra or Robert Glasper, or a band called Snarky Puppy. They all shit on dubstep. =)
pastense 5 months ago
Thanks very much... And I am Cheech.
Noedig 5 months ago
@Noedig ahah when he says "and I´m Chick" he makes me laugh a lot!
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n64wilbert 5 months ago
fuck me....
DontBeAPussy1 6 months ago
@allforyouz I'm sorry I forgot going to a gig and seeing a dj hit buttons on a sampler with prerecorded loops and sounds assigned was improv.
EpiclyConnor 6 months ago
@EpiclyConnor I didn't know they let the residents at the old folks home to use the computer.
They probably shouldn't. lol.
allforyouz 5 months ago
@allforyouz the fuck is that supposed to mean
EpiclyConnor 5 months ago
@EpiclyConnor You listen to old people music.
Get the dub son.
allforyouz 5 months ago
@allforyouz I am not listening to dubstep, it fucking sucks, at least this music requires more talent than the ability to click a mouse
EpiclyConnor 5 months ago
@EpiclyConnor Lolk. You go make a good dubstep album than dude. Do it, if all it takes is the click on a mouse then anybody could do it.
allforyouz 5 months ago
@allforyouz i'd say challenge accepted but 3 reasons why i wont,
1) I have better things to do with my time
2) One of them is making music with my band that actually plays instruments
3) I'm not going to make an album of music I personally wont enjoy
EpiclyConnor 5 months ago
@allforyouz why are you here discussing dubstep? if you listen to it you shouldn't be on this video at all, please gtfo
spankyxc0re 5 months ago
@spankyxc0re I looked this shit up because one of my friends said it was supposed to be good but this is just boring nap time music.
allforyouz 5 months ago
@allforyouz well then, you obviously don't play an instrument. only then will you understand the mastery
spankyxc0re 5 months ago
@spankyxc0re
I play many instruments, guitar, drums, bass, trumpet, you name it. Have you ever tried making a dubstep song? It's a whole different world of music. It's so ridiculously hard to make it sound legit. Listening to music just for technicalities in instrumentation is boring.
johnmorisi8 5 months ago
@johnmorisi8 Thank you. We get word from an actual musician with a screenname that isn't fucking stupid and borderline retarded.
allforyouz 5 months ago
@johnmorisi8 i never said i was listening to this just for technicalities. and is dubstep not done entirely on a computer? there's no manual playing of an instrument then. you choose which sounds you want to use and set them to a time signature, granted you can mess with this to a certain extent to make it sound "legit." doesn't seem very difficult to me.
spankyxc0re 5 months ago
@spankyxc0re
Then why should instrumentation have anything to do with music? Why should you need to know an instrument to understand the "mastery". You're obviously talking about the technicality of the music. There's much more to dubstep than you think. You can say the same thing about jazz, you take a couple lesson, learn a few scales, find some friends to improv with... there, jazz. You need to know how to make music to make dubstep, jazz you just need to know how to play an instrument.
johnmorisi8 5 months ago
@johnmorisi8 well, i disagree. i would say you need to know more about "making" music with jazz than any other genre that i know of. sure, you need to know how to play an instrument, but you also need to be very mindful of music theory, very aware of staying in key while still giving the song a fresh feel to it. i think you know nothing about music. or maybe i just hate dubstep because it doesnt sound like music.
spankyxc0re 5 months ago
@spankyxc0re
More than any other genre, that's quite a big claim. Most jazz you can hit any note you want in any key, the only wrong note, is one you play unintentionally. I think I know a hell lot more about music than you. Nothing is "fresh" with jazz, it has all been done to death, that's why it's a dead genre. You need to open up your ears to new things. 95% of music isn't made using music theory, it's using emotion, and feeling, something that soulless jazz lacks.
johnmorisi8 5 months ago
@johnmorisi8 look, i don't care if you like jazz or not. it's not like it's the only thing i listen to, in fact it's a small fraction. but my point is that dubstep really fucking sucks. its like the nasty bi-product of technological advancement and has no place in the realm of music. i might enjoy it if i'm hammered, maybe, really fucking hammered. but if jazz is boring to you, don't listen to it. but don't be talking about "soul" while defending dubstep, thats like the paradox of the millenium.
spankyxc0re 5 months ago
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@spankyxc0re
you obviously cared enough to view my channel and comment on one of my videos. i win.
johnmorisi8 5 months ago
@allforyouz okay you're fucking trolling. this isn't "nap time" music by any standards, its upbeat and fast. go away please.
spankyxc0re 5 months ago
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spankyxc0re 5 months ago
@EpiclyConnor What EPIC shit do you listen to? If you have the word epic in your name, you might just be the biggest d-bag here.
allforyouz 5 months ago
@allforyouz explain how having the word epic in my name relates to my taste? and you can say douchebag on the internet, your mother isn't looking.
EpiclyConnor 5 months ago
@EpiclyConnor I did say douchebag, it just spelt it D-Bag. If you have the word epic in your name, the chance's you have terrible taste in everything increases 10 fold. It's scientifically proven.
allforyouz 5 months ago
@allforyouz Just how it's scientifically proven that dubstep is a pile of wank?
EpiclyConnor 5 months ago
@allforyouz
I'm 16. I love Jazz, Classical, Fusion, The blues etc. old music doesn't mean that modern people can't like it. I like good modern stuff as well like Dream Theater, Meshuggah (or the Djent movement in general), Buckethead, Porcupine tree etc. but old music does not = old people music.
Fluffypopcicle 5 months ago
@Fluffypopcicle Lol, nerd.
allforyouz 5 months ago
@allforyouz
I'm proud to be a music nerd.
Fluffypopcicle 5 months ago
@Fluffypopcicle Trying talking to girls and growing a pair. Buckethead is a faggort.
allforyouz 5 months ago
@allforyouz
I have much more dating xperience than you, I can guarantee you that. And Buckethead isn't a faggot, He is God of the chickens. And slunks. And guitar.
Fluffypopcicle 5 months ago
@Fluffypopcicle How can you make a guarantee like that, I doubt anyone wants to date some boring music nerd who is into Dream Theater and Buckethead.
I also hope you made that SN when you were 12. It sucks almost as bad as your taste in music.
allforyouz 5 months ago
@allforyouz
Funny how you assume that my taste in music ends with DT and Buckethead. Might want to check my file. You have like 4 bands in your entire favorites list. I have hundreds and at least 250 bands and artists listed on my channel hat I enjoy. I'm a music nerd... does that mean I'm a boring person? You can't stereotype my personality based on the music I listen to because I listen to too much. It's not like there aren't female musical nerds too, grow up.
Fluffypopcicle 5 months ago
Amazing! Thanks for uploading!
Bpage211 6 months ago
@Bpage211 No need to be nice. We all know this blows.
allforyouz 6 months ago
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Je vais les voir ce weekend au festival Jazz in Marciac ;)
maxigoodvibes 6 months ago
@allforyouz they (kenny g and Michael buble) aren't even jazz and listening to skrillex is fine just don't talk about it on videos of real music.
EpiclyConnor 6 months ago
@EpiclyConnor What makes skrillex fake d00d? Okay, he uses a computer but let's see these has beens do what he does. lol that'll be the day.
allforyouz 6 months ago
@allforyouz I don't want to see return to forever do that, they have made a career of real music so to "do what he(skrillex) does would be making one out of fake music.
EpiclyConnor 6 months ago
@EpiclyConnor Aside from the name that I hope you choose when you were 12 and just starting out on this site, fake music is the stupidest term I've ever heard. If anything these guys are fake music because they are playing without any soul. Too much structure can kill a person. Dubstep is 100% improv 100% of the time. No Exceptions, you know you're getting euphoric sounds when that bass drops.
allforyouz 6 months ago
@allforyouz dubstep superior to jazz? everyone knows that the easiest way to get pissed off is to read some youtube comments but this is one of the dumbest examples i have ever read. do you have any idea what goes into developing this kind of virtuosity? Or developing your improv skills so that you can play what you hear on demand? tens of thousands of hours of practice. jazz is timeless, dubstep is a fad. let's see if people are still looking up skrillex 30 years from now.that's the real test
TBSol86 5 months ago
@TBSol86 Do people listen to jazz still? I'm pretty sure their album sales are virtually non-existent.
allforyouz 5 months ago
@allforyouz Dubstep is a product of the fall of turntablism. My hometown is the same as the Invisbl Skratch Piklz, and I've lived through the inception of Dubstep, and I can tell you right now, all your Dubstep heroes listened to jazz all day. I'm a self-proclaimed jazz musician myself, but I'm also a Dj, so I understand both worlds. First off, a dubstep dj IS a jazz-musician, being his Ableton/turntables as his musical instrument.
pastense 5 months ago
This sucks.
These guys should listen to more Skrillex.
allforyouz 6 months ago 2
@allforyouz I think you failed the moment you compared dubstep to fusion jazz.
shoopufable 6 months ago
@shoopufable Why is that? Dubstep thrives on improv and so do these chumps but the dub just takes it to another level.
allforyouz 6 months ago
@allforyouz Although true that Dubstep thrives on improv, you cannot deny the mastery of improv that jazz musicians have. Its not particularly that either is better than the other. It is completely impractical to compare the two. They have different purposes. It's like comparing a Rhino to a Cat, there are aside from the fact that they are animals there is no comparison. I think referring to some of the greatest musicians of our time as "chumps" also reflects your ignorance to the field of jazz.
shoopufable 6 months ago
@shoopufable These guys aren't even really that good at Jazz. Like Michael Buble or Kenny G really play better, it's easier to listen to.
allforyouz 6 months ago
@allforyouz having no idea about what you are saying and still state it. this is youtube after all
jptgful 6 months ago
@shoopufable
Type of instruments and structure set aside Jazz lacks the feeling that Dubstep brings. When you throw on those headphones and that drop comes, you just feel it. When I place Kind Of Blue onto my turntable, it just lacks something. I know it's hard to compare the two, but there's just something Dubstep has that Jazz can never bring. Although Jazz is great, both being equally complex Dubstep has to take the win in this argument.
johnmorisi8 6 months ago
@allforyouz can't really tell if troll..but okay might as well. First, to call Skrillex dubstep is a little bit of a misnomer. I'm no expert but DUBstep comes from DUB roots buddy. Rusko, Caspa, Skream, the guys who made roots reggae their own dance style, that is dubstep. So with that in mind, Skrillex is more 'screamo-singer turned electro-house'. I have seen Sonny live, and its gosh darn catchy and gets people moving, but it is not improv by any means (it's a fad). also fuck you jazz is sweet
asktheabletonpro 5 months ago 2
@allforyouz
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I just improved that, I call it "Boring"
TheHawkdaddy 5 months ago
@TheHawkdaddy
Du-ba-dee-ba-do-do-do-BA-bowwwwwwwww-skee-ba-da-ba-do-do-do-daaaaa.
I just improvised that, I call it "annoying".
johnmorisi8 5 months ago 2
@johnmorisi8
We should collab and make annoyingly boring music
TheHawkdaddy 5 months ago
@TheHawkdaddy
Thanks for the offer but that wouldn't be very original, it has already been done by every Jazz musician.
johnmorisi8 5 months ago 2
@johnmorisi8
Really, EVERY jazz musician? Don't ever call yourself a musician if you cant respect jazz.
TheHawkdaddy 5 months ago
@TheHawkdaddy
Are you kidding? Why would I respect such a genre. The artists and the fans all have such pompous attitudes towards this terribly boring music that revolves around technicalities to bring excitement. Unfortunately for you and the few like minded people that try to preserve this beyond dead style of music, you will never understand music that touches upon true feeling and emotion where you can be absorbed by the music itself.
johnmorisi8 5 months ago 2
@johnmorisi8
Jazz has expanded how people play instruments and arrange music. Without Jazz music may not have evolved in the way it did. If it isn't your taste fine, but have respect for the doors it broke down.
There are popmus assholes at every show. Every dubstep fan I have ever met is a snob. Don't blame a genre of music based on its fans. Thats just plain stupid.
Jazz isn't dead by any means. Its not about selling records.
TheHawkdaddy 5 months ago
@TheHawkdaddy No, it is about selling records. That's how you know if a genre is still relevant.
allforyouz 5 months ago
@allforyouz
Well played troll
TheHawkdaddy 5 months ago
@TheHawkdaddy I ain't trolling son, I just hate jazz fans. You guys are biggest group of insecure freaks around.
allforyouz 5 months ago
@allforyouz
You hate jazz fans so much you go to a jazz video and post a rude comment
I dont feed trolls
TheHawkdaddy 5 months ago
@TheHawkdaddy Yeah. I knew you guys would get all worked up about somebody saying they didn't like something you did. All these video's a pretty much a circle jerk of you music nerds.
allforyouz 5 months ago
@allforyouz
Your favorites section gives you away as a troll. Phish have a lot in common with jazz fusion.
TheHawkdaddy 5 months ago
@TheHawkdaddy They have more in common with arena rock than Jazz Fusion. Everything with improv and guitars isn't similar to jazz fusion. Idiot.
allforyouz 5 months ago
@allforyouz
Rift is a jazz fusion album
TheHawkdaddy 5 months ago
@TheHawkdaddy It's a prog album and it doesn't really touch on any Jazz Fusion.
allforyouz 5 months ago
@allforyouz
And what is prog rocks roots? Jazz.
good day sir
TheHawkdaddy 5 months ago
@TheHawkdaddy And? That doesn't mean Rift is a jazz fusion album, it's based in prog rock.
allforyouz 5 months ago
@johnmorisi8
So you know, I listen to much more than jazz.
Dubstep is by no means emotive music, its an excuse for college kids to drop acid.
While this isnt the best example of emotive jazz, it does exist.
TheHawkdaddy 5 months ago
@TheHawkdaddy You pretentious ass. Get over yourself.
allforyouz 5 months ago
@TheHawkdaddy
Dubstep just catches vibes. You can get so into it. Close your eyes, throw on some headphones... nothing like it. As for Ska, I think the world might be better without it. Don't get me wrong Sublime without Rome is great... but they're barely ska at all, they're more of dirty punk rock. Ska is just a horrible genre where everything sounds the same. The same with jazz, maybe they influenced ska, but the only other genre it influence was more jazz.
johnmorisi8 5 months ago
@johnmorisi8
Fishbone are an excellent ska band that don't really sound like anyone.
I think you just have had a bad experience with jazz, there really is some great stuff out there.
TheHawkdaddy 5 months ago
@johnmorisi8 i find this music to be quite exciting and filled with emotion. you shouldn't assume everyone reacts the same way as you do to certain types of music. dub-step for me is boring but some people don't what complicated music and that's ok.
underagedpickle 5 months ago
@underagedpickle More people agree with John than you. That's why dubstep concerts are more popular. Dipshit.
allforyouz 5 months ago
@allforyouz
Exactly.
johnmorisi8 5 months ago
@allforyouz did i ever say anything that would make you think i thought otherwise? you don't need to insult me.
underagedpickle 5 months ago
@underagedpickle It's obvious allforyouz is a troll that think he has a opinon that people obviously doesn't give a fuck about...lololol
Pay him no mind :)
Moog167 5 months ago
@johnmorisi8 I drink your milkshake! I drink it up!
pmarangoni 5 months ago
@TheHawkdaddy Oh man, your opinion is better because your screen name is based on Coleman Hawkins right? Get the fuck over it.
allforyouz 5 months ago
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@TheHawkdaddy What are you, gay?
allforyouz 5 months ago
@johnmorisi8 Here my version of my improv at a jazz concert
snore->waking up and realizing I was bored to sleep->sleeping quietly Encore: Snore Reprise.
allforyouz 5 months ago
@allforyouz
*tear* that was beautiful.
johnmorisi8 5 months ago
Davelovesjazz, thank you for posting this video greatly appreciated. Wish you would have included the ending of this song and not cut it short. It takes away from the whole of the composition. That aside, my thanks again for all of the great videos you have!
dakinekanaka 6 months ago
These guys are on tour, people. I have my tickets! Zappa Plays Zappa is the opening act!
BARRIEMOREBARLOW 6 months ago
Those early "high tech" keyboards have a sound that cannot be reproduced.
BARRIEMOREBARLOW 6 months ago
Lenny White makes it look so effortless.Great live version! YOW!
caryzia 6 months ago
saw them in minneapolis about 2 years ago, so incredible!
TheIrishlad12 6 months ago
and WHY in god's name did this cut short
spankyxc0re 6 months ago
The four piece split-screen is absoluty magnificent! True magic...
pieterjanoddens 6 months ago
@itsphysics i agree totally! jazz changes everytime it is played. the recording is only one version of the song in its lifetime. when played live the musicians absorb the energy of the audience which is different from the energy in a studio. they feed off this energy to give you the best performance possible
faratg31 7 months ago
kixass
DeRex9 7 months ago
definitely one of the greatest "supergroup" of musicians, in my opinion. each one of these guys is incredible at their instrument. i can't stop listening to this
spankyxc0re 7 months ago
wow i heard that intro riff with the guitar and keys and it sounds like demon days by gorillaz
mutedmathamatician 8 months ago
@mutedmathamatician not a coincidence
pretorious700 7 months ago
@pretorious700 how do you know that?
mutedmathamatician 7 months ago
Hey look!! it's the super friends!!
lorddavester 8 months ago
This caliber of performance puts them up in the rarified air where a HQ live recording is hard to distinguish from the studio. I love these kind of groups, they're an awesome mixture of talent and performance, while still being able to keep the original feeling of the record. A music pet peeve of mine is where a band makes a phenomenal studio cut, then goes on tour with a 200 MPH half-hearted mutilated version of it.
These guys could show up on your front porch and still make it sound original
kasteman1 8 months ago
The reflection off the audience member's glasses in the upper left-hand side of the screen at 1:19 looks like something from a Vulcan World.
MMSCOSMONAUT2001 8 months ago
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spankyxc0re 8 months ago
Lots and lots of notes
Oh, how I miss those days.
Thanks to YouTube, I remember the 70's again.
ha!
FireLineStudios 9 months ago
The 'What Ifs'
Like What If Jimi Hendrix had collaborated with either Stanley Clarke or Bootsey Collins? Oh well.
kybelian 9 months ago
What blows my mind is that a video like this has less than 400,000 views while Rebecca Black's video "Friday has 120 Million. Appartently there aren't that many musicians in the world. To anyone who likes this video, check out SMV Thunder Tour.
sstessier 9 months ago
@sstessier
I don't get the hate for 'Friday'. It's not THAT ba-*is bludgeoned to death with a Moog synth*
fappercino 9 months ago
@sstessier Check out my band Silence on Strike. We are Rebecca Blacks age and we actually write our own GOOD rock songs :)
Aidanloveskeyboards 8 months ago