You method is over the top, but yes, religion is one of our few remaining links to a more primitive time. It's unfortunate that those who are most religious are the ones who are most reluctant to go out and read about our world and our universe, and learn for themselves that the majesty of this universe is wonderful, even without a god to create it. They are scared to learn that all they believe it in false, that knowing the truth, their whole life will collapse, like a house of cards in a wind.
So what if your an atheist? Its not your place to set out to dismantle a religion. Especially if your jewish and your trying to dismantle christianity and islam. It really isnt his place.
@BWCmike So what if you're a Christian or Muslim. It really isn't your place to come here and comment on an atheist video. Be gone. Did we knock on you door?
@BWCmike So you're an atheist who thinks other atheists are out of place expressing their opinions? How did you put it ... "Especially if your(sic) jewish"?
Well you're the first racist, antisemitic, atheistic, narrow-minded bigot I've run into in quite a while.
We really have to tighten up our membership screening process.
@dimbulb23 thats because most atheists dont go out and actively try and preach atheism. Christianity is a great religion that has installed moral values in times of darkness and has helped western civilization excel to were it is today. I wouldn't go out and criticize Islam and accuse Muslims of being indoctrinated into an "insane" belief system. Your atheist, so am I. It doesn't make us smarter than anyone else, and doesn't give us the right to criticize. You are the ignorant one.
@BWCmike Most Christians don't go out and actively try and preach either. So is it wrong that some do? Are they out of place? Are you saying sermons are "out of place"? Churches are out-of-place? Christian books, The Bible are out-of-place.
Western Civilization has excelled in spite of Christianity not because of it.
You would criticize Islam? Atheists are beheaded in Islam. You misspoke, you should have said "I wouldn't go out and criticize Islam" ... for long.
@dimbulb23 My mother is catholic and we had a very humble upbringing. The generosity of her church helped our family very very much, and paid for our daycare, and a lot of our food. She was able to go out and get a get and education to be a nurse and now we are all in university. There is no atheist church that helps its members like that. I may not believe in a god but I can certainly see that people who choose to be a part of a beautiful system like that are not "Insane"
@dimbulb23 pay attention to how many hospitals have christian names, and what percentage of charity is given in the name of christian and muslim generosity. What percentage of your income do you give as charity that makes you so morally righteous?
And Hitler made the trains run on time... so does that mean he shouldn't be criticized?
The RCC also tortured, kidnapped Jewish children, forced their conversion and murdered during the centuries of the Inquisition but hey they helped you so no fair pointing that out, right?
And today Catholics are preaching against condom use in the midst of an AID epidemic in Africa... but hey... they gave you daycare so don't mention that.
@dimbulb23 Hitler was an atheist. He claimed at two points to be a catholic and to be an atheist, but everyone those close to him all testified he was an atheist. There are evil people, and murderers in every society. Religion is a means of controlling and guiding the masses, and can be used for good or for evil. Just because religion has been used to guide bad causes, does not make it inherently evil. People are dieing from aids, and some believe unborn babies dieing is just as bad.
@BWCmike Stalin was also an atheist and murdered christians. Stalin committed atrocities that were multiple times worse than Hitler's in terms of innocent deaths.
@BWCmike wrote "Stalin was also an atheist and murdered christians. Stalin committed atrocities that were multiple times worse than Hitler's in terms of innocent deaths."
Hitler was a Catholic altar boy and Stalin attended a Russian Orthodox seminary... maybe some priests poked both the urge to murder and the desire try atheism into them.
So we're both atheist, what is it about not believing that makes you want to kill?
@dimbulb23 This man is not pushing the end of Christianity and Islam because it will make the world a better place. he is pushing this because he is a hardcore Zionist who has supported torture, called for ethnic profiling against Muslims, claimed that Palestinians do not face any injustice at the hands of Israel. His agenda is war between christians and muslims for the benefit of israel, not a world with more tolerance. Read his wikipedia.
BINGO! I was right. I called it the first time.This is not about what Harris says or does, it's about his Jewish heritage.
That wiki article contains both anti Judaism and anti-zionist quotes but you can't see that can you? I saw nothing in support of either Judaism or Zionism. Where was that?
He's a jew and that's that.You may or may not be an atheist, but those mackerel snappers got their hooks into you, but good.
Down deep you know they killed Your Lord.... right?
@dimbulb23 /watch?v=yl6-ezZTlYc you can say im hatefull, but you cant argue that that isnt hateful. that is no different then the nazi conquest of ethnic lebensraum. Sam harris sees nothing wrong in this video. His agenda is sick, the zionist agenda is sick, and many of the largest critics of the movement are jewish, including norman finkelstein, Noam Chomsky, and many more. Your accusations of racism fall on deaf ears your stupid hypocrite.
@dimbulb23 I assume your either a zionist yourself or subscribe to some kind of twisted view if your actually going to sink low enough to say that veraciously insulting other religions is no worse than criticizing Hitler.
@BWCmike wrote "I assume your either a zionist yourself or subscribe to some kind of twisted view if your actually going to sink low enough to say that veraciously insulting other religions is no worse than criticizing Hitler."
What I say is that pointing out the bad things about either Christianity or Hitler is equally OK with me.
What I don't agree with is saying either should be above criticism because you got day care or the Nazis got the trains to run on time.
@BillCorriganVideo Harris would mop the floor with you on this subject, as he does with anyone else he debates. Your comment is the age-old fallback for anyone who's just been demolished in a conversation "You just don't understand what you're talking about -- you're out of your league". Yeah Yeah.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I CANT BELIEVE YOU RETARDS BELIEVE IN RELIGIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, YOU DUMBASSES FELL FOR IT! YOU DUMBASSES FELL FOR IT! OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA I CANT BELIEVE WE HAVE MADE SO MUCH PROGRESS IN THE WORLD BUT THERE ARE STILL A HUMONGOUS GROUP OF RETARDED PEOPLE THAT BELIEVE IN INVISIBLE PEOPLE, GHOSTS, MAKING THINGS FLOAT! I MEAN HOLY SHIT, YOUR BOOK HAS AS MUCH VALIDITY AS HARRY POTTER! ALL RELIGIONS! HAHAH
@x420xColtonx420x I FIGURED IT OUT! THE UNIVERSE STARTED FROM NOTHING BECAUSE IT GROWS! JUST LIKE A SEED TURNS INTO A TREE. THE UNIVERSE FEEDS OFF OF ANTI MATTER, CREATING SOMETHING FROM NOTHING.
I have not experienced anything that would prove or disprove the correctness of my faith, but the same applies to many other faiths. I mean, sure, many Catholics are nice and decent people, but so are many non-Catholics. Sure, many Catholics are very devout, seem joyful, have had supernatural experiences etc., but the same is in other faiths - Christian or not. So we need to win two bets: be right about the existence of God, AND pick the true God. Only then we can speak of following God's will
I agree with Harris in principle, except that despite being indoctrinater into Christianity/Catholicsism, I still had those doubts since, to a degree, my first communion or at least early teens. I always wandered, if we Catholics account for just 1/5 of the population, how can we be so sure about our faith, while the rest of the humanity has a completely different view? How can we not be afraid of not getting it right and ending up in hell?
I love how the Top Commenters are butthurt and aren't able to actually refute any of what Sam has to actually say. Instead it's attacks and weirdness. Keep trying guys, one day you'll get there. (No, not really but you need the practice desperately)
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when Sam speaks he makes so much sense. Easy to understand, basic and simple reason. Why does this have to so complicated. I agree people dont believe in science, I knew people who would not take their child to hospital or take blood transfusions. I hope they are ok and when they need help they do the right thing regardless of their ego's.
S. Harris is a devout, PRACTICING Eastern Mystic. He has his own agenda, it's making him very rich & he's piggy-backed Dawkins & other articulate scientists who've become celebrities
trying their hardest to make Science into a Religion - Turn Physics into Metaphysics.
As a mystic, Harris believes he can have zen-like experiences while meditating inwardly. 2 Me THAT'S Totally Delusional & obviously completely devoid evidence. He's just as brainwashed as the person of faith.
@Idahoprospector You have obviously have neither read nor understood a single thing Sam has said on the subject. You have the same tone and thought process as the delusional faithful.
@Idahoprospector Not true. Harris does meditate, but doesn't consider the process to be metaphysical. I invite you to provide some sources to back up your claims.
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@Idahoprospector Meditation is scientifically proven to be able to bring zen like states. Maybe you should research something before you discredit it. There's nothing theistic or supernatural about Sam Harris' philosophy.
@henrywiltcher I couldn't agree more! I'd say Sam is right up there w/ Deepak Chopra (although they don't agree on everything), as one of the great Eastern mystic philosophers/thinkers of our time.
@Idahoprospector "As a mystic, Harris believes he can have zen-like experiences while meditating inwardly. 2 Me THAT'S Totally Delusional & obviously completely devoid evidence."
You don't need evidence to back up a subjective feeling - that feeling *is* the subjective evidence manifesting itself in your experience. It's a fact that many people practice meditation and enjoy the feelings deep concentration produce in them. This has no more significance than them having feelings
@Idahoprospector Also, Sam Harris was the one who kicked off the wave of books from "The New Atheists" with his "The end of faith". To say he is piggybacking off Dawkins is laughable.
Not as laughable as the statement that they're trying to make science into a religion though. That has to be the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
@Idahoprospector "S. Harris is a devout, PRACTICING Eastern Mystic" And that is wrong because...? He and Dawkins seem to be getting along quite nicely, Furthermore, zen has nothing superstitious to it. They've even dumped the notion of reincarnation centuries ago. If people this rational and open-minded seem delusional to you, I do not see what would satisfy you, sir (or madam).
None of that is true. But alas, it's also irrlevant; argue the message not the man. The whole point of the message is that the worth of Sam Harris is not relevant here. We don't do hero worship like religion. We just do evidence.
@Idahoprospector well actually hallucinations are just the cross-influence of the subconscious and your conscious interacting with your senses, you say its delusional to hallucinate but yet you would dream consistently right? are you delusional? Which by the way their is a wealth upon wealth of neuroscience explaining these phenomenon's of hallucination (See Carl Sagan "The Demon Haunted World".
@Idahoprospector I am absolutely sure he is not claiming to believe in anything that cant be proved. You are just interpreting it that way. The reason I know this is because I have seen a lot of the talks he has done, and I know he mentions some of these things. But not in the way you claim him to be.
"Check out my videos "Religion is Ridiculous" (specifically christianity)...good stuff...rate it! Christians i CHALLENGE you to watchit with an open mind.....Anti-theists watch my vids and give them a thumbs up! Help spread the truth!"
If Sam and his like minded entertainers read the Quran and the Prophets (Mohammad) Hadiths with open mind, honesty and sincerity they will find that one of G-d (Allah) most prevailing qualities is compassion. Every chapter in Quran starts with “in the name Allah (G-d), Most Gracious, Most Merciful”; G-d has sent one messenger another to guide people; Allah says, if you come closer to him one step he will come closer to you 10 steps; Such G-d can not be lack of compassion. Read the Quran
@arraba99 If only people of institutional religious convictions would model their lives on the compassion of their creator & messenger. I believe the Quran says "Who ever is kind to the creatures of God is kind to himself" & Jesus "Love your neighbor as yourself", "Do unto others as you would want done to yourself". The issue isn't with what some believe, but with the UNNECESSARY SUFFER some cause to conscious creatures, the impetus of which is their beliefs & u want 2b taken seriously
@arraba99 I'm sure that the Quran does say that. The problem is you need to be an intellectual infant in order to "take a step closer" to this god. If by take a step closer it means to Imagine this book to be a realistic representation of reality.
Why someone with a complete lackof understanding of a subject is given a podium to talk as if he is an expert is what's wrong with this aging American generation that never fully matured. It's fascinating to see someone talking so confidently and making himself the voice of literally billions of people. Sweeping generalizations, attempts to evoke fear, and with such contempt for his audience. P.T. Barnum was right.
I agree 100%, If Sam would be knocking down Astrophysics, Shakespeare, Science or any other topic he is ignorant of, no one will take him seriously. But it is OK for him and others to knock down religion, especially Islam/Quran since he admitted knowing nothing about except for Fox and CNN’s sound bites - I am assuming he at least knows a little about Judaism (his birth faith) and Christianity. This is disingenuous and suspect to say the least.
@BillCorriganVideo Harris's talk is easily comprehensible by anyone who wishes to comprehend it (and frankly I bet you got it just fine), And his understanding of the subject appears to eclipse yours by a very wide margin.
@BillCorriganVideo Your grammar and sentence structure is impeccable but the content of your paragraph is absurd. You're a paradox: you seem intelligent but you're as dumb as a box of nails.
@BillCorriganVideo "Why someone with a complete lackof understanding of a subject is given a podium to talk as if he is an expert is what's wrong with this aging American generation that never fully matured."
What "subject" are you talking about? Religion? If so, one of the main points Sam Harris is making is that apparently there are no experts on that subject - due to the utter lack of consensus and contradictory claims being made.
@BillCorriganVideo You can't seriously claim that he doesn't make a huge range of valid criticisms of religion as a phenomenon either. 9/11 would simply not have happened if there were not people who believe they could reap great rewards in an afterlife for killing the infidels - for no reason what so ever - by faith.
I've already been scared at my lack of belief in Islam. I looked into Islam and decided I didn't believe Muhammad was a prophet. It's also difficult because I don't like Muslim culture as much as Jewish, plus Christianity's story I think is the most heartfelt story of any modern religion and it achieves this with ease. The Bible does not even actually say "burn in hell forever", the very closest thing of all the things it says about hell is "eternal damnation" which can mean death.
@martiandog89 "The Bible does not even actually say "burn in hell forever""
It does. Read revelation. Although the word "hell" is not used. Instead it's described as the lake of fire, where Satan and his minions, as well as everyone who didn't cut it during the end-times, are tossed in to burn for eternity.
In Islam: nobody can say who goes to heaven or who goes to hell. It's all up to God. But those who are informed about Islam have no excuse in front of God for their disbelief but nobody can say someone is going to hell but definitely the key to heaven is believing in God, his Prophets and his books. Those who were not informed about Islam will be put to a test on judgement day and if they pass it, they go to heaven.
@AIajmis And yet there are countless clips of muslims saying exactly those things. For every muslim who says what you do, there is another muslim who says something very different based on the SAME TEXT. What your so called prophets and holy books actually say means very little because they are so vague and self-contradictory that they can be interpreted to support pretty much anything the interpreter wants .We see this happening on a daily basis across the world.
@SarthorS It depends on the level of knowledge a person has and also their agenda. My words are not personal interpretations. Religion has along history of being used for politics and profit.
@HellRehab "And We did not send before you any but men to whom We sent revelation, so ask the people of God's remembrance if you do not know" ( Quran 21:7 )
You: "It depends on the level of knowledge a person has" as to whether you're sent to Hell in Islam.
Me: Where is this that spelled out?
You: "And We did not send before you any but men to whom We sent revelation, so ask the people of God's remembrance if you do not know" ( Quran 21:7 )
I see nothing here here about different "levels of knowledge" being a factor in determining one's fate. Do you want to try again? Or just list prominent islamic scholars that support this doctrine.
@AIajmis Allow me to interpret what you said. 'Those people are stupid and are not real muslims'. Also everything you believe about your religion is your personal interpretation. Even if it may be correct, it's still your own interpretation. The only other alternative is that what you wrote is an intentional lie.
@SarthorS a space for personal interpretation only exist when there is a text subject to interpretations. So not everything in religion is subject to personal interpretations as you think, there are clear texts.
@AIajmis And who decides whether a text is open for interpretation ? People do. I do agree that there are very clear texts, in the Torah, the Bible and the Quran.It is clear that these books are filled with hatred, intolerance, incitements to violence and murder, celebrations of atrocities and just plain ignorance. Anyone who believes these are guides for life are clearly delusional and a potential danger to society.
@AIajmis No I have not read it cover to cover, nor do I read Arabic since many claim that you can't properly understand it unless you read it in the original language. Have you read all the holy books of those religions that you reject as false ? Do you withhold judgement on the actions of non-muslims until you have fully read and understood their books ? What counts is how a religion is actually practiced and Islam has shown itself to be the most violent of all the major religions.
@SarthorS When it comes to the Quran, you can understand it in English ( check out the link in my page ) but you can't capture the beauty of it in other languages. When it comes to other holy books, I'm reading the bible as I write this comment. When it comes to violence, you've been brainwashed by your media, there are 1.33 billion Muslims in the world and your media only talks about a few thousand bad ones that are part of political movements and not religious ones!
@AIajmis I don't care how beautiful you say it is. A beautiful lie is still a lie and an ugly truth is still a truth. It's beauty is more than worthless, it's beguiling. As for the media, are you serious ? The media does that to EVERYONE including their own countries. Yet there's a good chance that you can find muslims at the heart of trouble spots all over the world, against Christian, Jews, Hindu's, Buddhists, and where there is no common enemy, themselves. All because of their evil religion.
If I understand your position, those who weren't "informed about Islam" might escape Hell.
Do you realize that Dr. Craig (the guy who's being debated) has the exact same theory about people who haven't heard of Jesus? And it's just as pointless.
This "exception claus" is of no consolation to anyone reading your comment. We live in the information age. Everyone with an internet connection has been informed about Islam.
This idea is floated by people like Craig and yourself..
as a way of making your god not seem like a complete a-hole.
It's amazing that anyone even uses this argument anymore. It doesn't apply except to tribesmen in the most remote corner of the planet, and to citizens of N. Korea where they aren't allowed contact with the outside world.
@HellRehab I'm saying it as it is, without sugarcoating it and without compromising anything. You have the right to be informed and the right to state your opinion about the information given to you. These are not man made laws that can be amended according to our standards today. Craig has the worldly incentive while I don't.
Something "tangible" in order to be convinced isn't the way many religions work. For example, there is nothing "tangible" that can legitimize Christianity other than personal transformations and feelings in people's lives. That's why there are a bazillion different religions and not one true religion the entire world follows.
"More Than a Carpenter" is a pretty good book written by an Atheist who sets out on a quest to disprove Christianity but ended up believing the gospel after his extensive research. It comes up with a lot of solid evidence ...but yet again, it's not entirely conclusive - there is still some grey area. Heck, the whole story of the "Atheist converting to Christianity" could just be a huge, made-up, dramatic story.
What it comes down to is whether or not you want to speculate the legitimacy of religion to the ends of the Earth. It's an eternal YouTube argument. Take a look at some of these threads… they're absolutely ridiculous.
For me? I just want to be a part of something bigger than myself. We live in a pretty freakin jacked up world. Just flip on the news or TrueTV for a few minutes.
@crytebow You ARE part of something much bigger than yourself! It is called the universe and the cold hard facts about it are more vast and more beautiful than anything in mythology. Search for the hubble ultra deep field.
The universe is beautiful. The complexities of nature are beyond-words astounding. Life complex enough to develop into beings capable of producing this laptop I'm using to communicate with you is pretty amazing. When I really think about it, there's GOTTA be a creator for it all. Feelings, music, emotions, love.... I just can't imagine these elements man can't come CLOSE to figuring out just... appearing one day and coming into existence.
@Ymirheim What you are talking about has nothing to do with any kind of intelligent concept that all types of mythology address. Mythology addresses the "why?" which science does not even make an attempt to explain. If you look at everything scientifically then there definitely seems to be no intelligent "why", yet that would mean that everything comes from randomness, that means that everything just "is", but we have no reason to believe that a magical, no reason, scientific, big bang happened.
@martiandog89 "If you look at everything scientifically then there definitely seems to be no intelligent "why", yet that would mean that everything comes from randomness"
I'm sorry, but that's just nonsense. To illustrate that, ask yourself the question "Why does God exist?". It's clear that answers to "Why?" questions are necessarily made up to a large degree. They do not apply to reality as a whole - yet this does not imply randomness for theism does it?
@martiandog89 Sadly, the truth is that mythology addresses gaps in human knowledge and typically anthropomorphize those gaps without a shred of evidence. Which is why mythology has been consistently wrong in all of human history. The Thor hypothesis of lightning is not merely different from that of science - it's false. Any comfort the belief in the "Why?" of that hypothesis was similarly false. This is why evidence and reason must form the basis of our beliefs about reality.
@martiandog89 You'll notice that this is basically "science". We still want some why? questions answered of course, and it turns out that we can do that with the help of science as well. We just have to phrase them properly. Such as "Why do humans generally regard killing other humans in their in-group as wrong?" The answer(s) is encoded in the brains of all normally functioning humans, just waiting to be discovered.
The feelings I get from doing good and loving people significantly outweigh a good hangover, hurting people, hating parents, depression, getting strung out on coke. But being "bad" is just part of our nature. Selfishness is in our DNA. But I view religion as personal choice.
@crytebow The feelings you get from doing good is just as much in your DNA as anything else, doing good results in happiness, happiness is chemistry and chemistry is an extension of physics. It all trickles down from the most basic laws of the universe into greater and greater complexity.
@Ymirheim There's only so much man can break down. This is turning into a science discussion, which is an area I'm not too strong in! But where did atoms come from? The electrons? This energy? The energy that created the electrons? The source of this energy? It's source? It's source? What caused the different types of atoms to become real? Man... deep stuff!
For me, nothing but good, positive results have come from believing. It's simple logic. Why would I want to live my life another way that doesn't make me as happy? I don't "act good" or "love people" as a requirement… I just want to.
And man, it's not sunshine and rainbows all the time. Across the world, people are persecuted and put to death for their faith.
@crytebow But they continue to live their lives the way they feel they should because again, the good outweighs the bad. For me? It works, and my life is different because of it. That is conclusive evidence.
@JoshuaAbrahamm was dianosis a person you consider as divine?? was krishna? was budha?? 2 born from a virgin, the other got out by the side wound of his mother,
you only consider jesus to be special, cause you were born in a place where it was the story that ws told you, there is really nothing special about jesus story compare to other religion that are now fade, your a atheist because you dont beleive in krishna you miss the whole point, did you listen to what sam harris just explain?
@lapmarty I'm not a Christian or Muslims, And I'm not a religious Jew. and I don't care for Jesus, Moses or Muhammad or what ever. I have no loyalty to stupidity. I know that the virgin birth is a pagan invention which was hijacked by the Christians. I agree with I don't think that there is anything special about Jesus. So I don't see your point here.
@lapmarty Don't worry about it. I like Sam, its just that Religion is not B.S. Religion gives hope to so many. And I guess, maybe I took Sam the wrong way. I think that I thought what he said was that the hope that these people get from there Gods and Holy books "Religions" was B.S.
I'm like Sam Harris really, most people in Norway are. Religion is barely anywhere in my country and it's kinda looked at as very fringe to be religious. We have a state christian church, but most people dont give a shit about it, and dont care. And Norway is a pretty chill country too, high pay, murders where at an all time low this year with like 8 murders. Basicly no crime at all, and if there is any, it's random drunk guy trying to rob a gas station.:P All in all, Norway is chiiiiilll. :)
beware of megazordman2, he has been posting inflamatory comments about christianity on christian friendly videos. Please go to his channel youtube dot com slash megazordman2 and report him 30-40 times a day until youtube bans him. Stop letting these people get away with it.
harris makes sense. Christianity is no insurance for not going to hell. Christians don't even come to one third of world population, and others have different gods, who say that we are wrong. Catholics say there's no salvation outside Cath Church, but when you think about it, Catholic population of the world is smaller than that of India, and almost twice as small as China... And they claim they alone have the true path. Moreover statistically only 10-15 per cent catholics "practice" their faith
Where in the bible did Jesus claim to be god? Where in the bible did Jesus ask to be worshipped? Where did Jesus say I am God Manifested in flesh? Where did Jesus mention the original sin? Where did Jesus say I am the God the Son? Where did Jesus say that I am God the Word? Where did Jesus say I am the Second God in Trinity ?
@danielson923 There was probably a hundred dudes named Jesus put to the cross, or beheaded that year you retard. It doesnt mean anything fucking magical happened when any of them died.
How can Christians claim moral objectivity? In the 10 commandments it's says do not murder, yet the redeeming grace of Jesus revolves around murder. How is or morally objective to say murder is a sin, but then the only way to save humans is to murder someone and be happy about it?
@TheBiAtheist That is true, but unavoidable. Faulty thinking is the reason that religion exists. The human mind is incredibly fallible. There are a vast number of things that we cannot understand, and a very large number of things that we do not understand so well as we think.
Consider for example that for most of human history it was widely believed that things which look similar have similar properties. We know this to be untrue, but imagine being the first guy to see it.
@TheBiAtheist I didn't mean for my response to be so full of profundity and discourse, but I'm almost done. I guess what I'm saying is that next time you get frustrated, remember that the problem your facing is not "them", but your own nature, manifest in them. Then all you have to do is to help them overcome it, the way you overcame it yourself, already.
@TheSmackerlacker Lol chill out bubble kid. Not following a religion does not automaticly make you an atheist. Go read the fucking definition. But if one imediately considers himself an atheist after learning that religion is bull, then he just jumped from one extreme to the other.
@sirusownslinkmania Two things. First, what the fuck is a "bubble kid"? Second, atheism is not an extreme position. In fact, it is a completely neutral position.
@TheSmackerlacker It's a matter of perspective. Usually atheists fail to consider other possibilities other than what science offers on a silver plate. For example if science dictates that something is impossible, then no science abiding atheist goes out of his way to question that. Kind of like a religious person that blindly follows his dogma without question. This is what I was reffering to when I said that.
@sirusownslinkmania It is not a matter of perspective. Atheism is not scientism. Atheism implies nothing except the rejection of belief in gods. Atheism does not mean that you believe everything that scientists have to say.
Furthermore, science is not a business of stating facts. The word science means study. A scientist is a student, not a declarer of facts.
The single goal of science is to attain the best understanding possible, not to declare what is possible.
@sirusownslinkmania Anyone who makes absolute, declarative statements about the nature universe is not a scientist, and anyone who accepts them is not an atheist, and that is the end of it.
@sirusownslinkmania Just as you then have been indoctrinated into not being a radical communist? Indoctrinated into not believing in unicorns? Indoctrinated into not believing in Santa?
Absence of belief in a claim that has not been proven is NOT a dogma, it is merely to absence of being convinced by a claim. People tell me there is a god, until they can convince me through something tangible that this is correct, then my default position realistically have to be to not accept it as truth.
@Ymirheim Would you please explain to me how the FUCK would anyone prove to you GOD(search definiton) by TANGIBLE(definiton again) evidence? What, do you expect some sign in the sky? Voice? Where do you think a god would be if he existed?
@sirusownslinkmania I can not even begin to describe how this is NOT my problem. If you put fourth a claim that you can't possibly prove in the first place then there is even less reason why I should accept it. If I say to you that there are unicorns living on Pluto but they only live on the dark side of the planet so we can't ever see them, you will take the rational position of assuming I am wrong unless I can prove it. Saying "well it can't be proven!" is NOT an argument in my favor.
@Ymirheim Where did I mention that It cannot be proven at all? I said it cannot pe proven with the sort of evidence you are looking for. Science at least is thousands of years early.
@sirusownslinkmania Sooo, you are saying. I have this claim that I can't prove, but one day there will be a kind of science that will be able to prove it, and then it will be proven true, so you have to take my word for it until then? It really does not matter, if you can't prove something then the rational stance and default position has to be to not believe in it. Otherwise we would have to believe in EVERY possible concept we could imagine all the time.
@gaslimp Define "this". Are you talking about the video, or my comment? In either case, how do you justify your statement, because they both seem pretty supportive to me.
@TheSmackerlacker I do not disagree with atheism or with the video (just wanted to clarify this just in case). I find this video to be about indoctrination and not atheism. Maybe im wrong or maybe you know more about this guy than i do.
@gaslimp The video is about indoctrination. It is, however, virtually impossible to have a discussion about indoctrination without it being directly related to religion, or without the implication of an atheistic agenda.
A theist cannot argue that indoctrination is bad, because without doctrine, religion has no power.
Likewise, it is the goal of any outspoken atheist to extol the virtues of critical thinking, which is at odds with indoctrination.
@danielson923 No, that doesnt count, we dont even know for sure if the man was real, abd even if he was, there are huge plotholes in the mans life, including coverups, and flatout lies. And before you comment, watch the video, because a muslim could say the same thing, but in place for jesus, they could say mohamed.
WHOEVER HAVE THE AMAZINGATHIEST AS A FREND IS FUCKING ATHIEST YOU FUCKING MORON ATHIEST MOTTO IN LIF EIS WE ONLEY BELIVE WHAT OUR EYES SEE HAVENT ANY PROOF OF NOTHING IN EVERY FUCKING DEBATTE YOU LOSE !
Man, his is good. I want to meet this guy and share a beer with him and talk.
joestfrancois 10 hours ago
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You method is over the top, but yes, religion is one of our few remaining links to a more primitive time. It's unfortunate that those who are most religious are the ones who are most reluctant to go out and read about our world and our universe, and learn for themselves that the majesty of this universe is wonderful, even without a god to create it. They are scared to learn that all they believe it in false, that knowing the truth, their whole life will collapse, like a house of cards in a wind.
swashed73 14 hours ago
Unable to accept the dogma of revealed religions, I find peace and enlightenment through Deism, the belief of Einstein and our founding fathers.
Circle4Success 1 day ago
Thank you Sam, you nailed it!
northoforacle 3 days ago
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Jesus is the Antichrist
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soweru8 1 week ago
So what if your an atheist? Its not your place to set out to dismantle a religion. Especially if your jewish and your trying to dismantle christianity and islam. It really isnt his place.
BWCmike 1 week ago
@BWCmike So what if you're a Christian or Muslim. It really isn't your place to come here and comment on an atheist video. Be gone. Did we knock on you door?
dimbulb23 1 week ago
@dimbulb23 I'm an atheist actually
BWCmike 1 week ago
@BWCmike So you're an atheist who thinks other atheists are out of place expressing their opinions? How did you put it ... "Especially if your(sic) jewish"?
Well you're the first racist, antisemitic, atheistic, narrow-minded bigot I've run into in quite a while.
We really have to tighten up our membership screening process.
dimbulb23 1 week ago
@dimbulb23 thats because most atheists dont go out and actively try and preach atheism. Christianity is a great religion that has installed moral values in times of darkness and has helped western civilization excel to were it is today. I wouldn't go out and criticize Islam and accuse Muslims of being indoctrinated into an "insane" belief system. Your atheist, so am I. It doesn't make us smarter than anyone else, and doesn't give us the right to criticize. You are the ignorant one.
BWCmike 1 week ago
@BWCmike Most Christians don't go out and actively try and preach either. So is it wrong that some do? Are they out of place? Are you saying sermons are "out of place"? Churches are out-of-place? Christian books, The Bible are out-of-place.
Western Civilization has excelled in spite of Christianity not because of it.
You would criticize Islam? Atheists are beheaded in Islam. You misspoke, you should have said "I wouldn't go out and criticize Islam" ... for long.
dimbulb23 1 week ago
@dimbulb23 My mother is catholic and we had a very humble upbringing. The generosity of her church helped our family very very much, and paid for our daycare, and a lot of our food. She was able to go out and get a get and education to be a nurse and now we are all in university. There is no atheist church that helps its members like that. I may not believe in a god but I can certainly see that people who choose to be a part of a beautiful system like that are not "Insane"
BWCmike 1 week ago
@dimbulb23 pay attention to how many hospitals have christian names, and what percentage of charity is given in the name of christian and muslim generosity. What percentage of your income do you give as charity that makes you so morally righteous?
BWCmike 1 week ago
@BWCmike
And Hitler made the trains run on time... so does that mean he shouldn't be criticized?
The RCC also tortured, kidnapped Jewish children, forced their conversion and murdered during the centuries of the Inquisition but hey they helped you so no fair pointing that out, right?
And today Catholics are preaching against condom use in the midst of an AID epidemic in Africa... but hey... they gave you daycare so don't mention that.
Fuck You. It's not just about YOU.
dimbulb23 1 week ago
@dimbulb23 Hitler was an atheist. He claimed at two points to be a catholic and to be an atheist, but everyone those close to him all testified he was an atheist. There are evil people, and murderers in every society. Religion is a means of controlling and guiding the masses, and can be used for good or for evil. Just because religion has been used to guide bad causes, does not make it inherently evil. People are dieing from aids, and some believe unborn babies dieing is just as bad.
BWCmike 1 week ago
@BWCmike Stalin was also an atheist and murdered christians. Stalin committed atrocities that were multiple times worse than Hitler's in terms of innocent deaths.
BWCmike 1 week ago
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@BWCmike wrote "Stalin was also an atheist and murdered christians. Stalin committed atrocities that were multiple times worse than Hitler's in terms of innocent deaths."
Hitler was a Catholic altar boy and Stalin attended a Russian Orthodox seminary... maybe some priests poked both the urge to murder and the desire try atheism into them.
So we're both atheist, what is it about not believing that makes you want to kill?
dimbulb23 1 week ago
@BWCmike Let's try to get you back on track.
You criticized Harris for daring to criticize religion. That's the issue I'm talking about.
And you're only excuse is that religion isn't all bad.
Using that logic, I'm saying how can anyone criticize Hitler because he wasn't 100% bad either? Does that make sense to you? Does it?
dimbulb23 1 week ago
@dimbulb23 This man is not pushing the end of Christianity and Islam because it will make the world a better place. he is pushing this because he is a hardcore Zionist who has supported torture, called for ethnic profiling against Muslims, claimed that Palestinians do not face any injustice at the hands of Israel. His agenda is war between christians and muslims for the benefit of israel, not a world with more tolerance. Read his wikipedia.
BWCmike 1 week ago
@BWCmike
BINGO! I was right. I called it the first time.This is not about what Harris says or does, it's about his Jewish heritage.
That wiki article contains both anti Judaism and anti-zionist quotes but you can't see that can you? I saw nothing in support of either Judaism or Zionism. Where was that?
He's a jew and that's that.You may or may not be an atheist, but those mackerel snappers got their hooks into you, but good.
Down deep you know they killed Your Lord.... right?
dimbulb23 1 week ago
@dimbulb23 /watch?v=yl6-ezZTlYc you can say im hatefull, but you cant argue that that isnt hateful. that is no different then the nazi conquest of ethnic lebensraum. Sam harris sees nothing wrong in this video. His agenda is sick, the zionist agenda is sick, and many of the largest critics of the movement are jewish, including norman finkelstein, Noam Chomsky, and many more. Your accusations of racism fall on deaf ears your stupid hypocrite.
BWCmike 1 week ago
@dimbulb23 I assume your either a zionist yourself or subscribe to some kind of twisted view if your actually going to sink low enough to say that veraciously insulting other religions is no worse than criticizing Hitler.
BWCmike 1 week ago
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@BWCmike wrote "I assume your either a zionist yourself or subscribe to some kind of twisted view if your actually going to sink low enough to say that veraciously insulting other religions is no worse than criticizing Hitler."
What I say is that pointing out the bad things about either Christianity or Hitler is equally OK with me.
What I don't agree with is saying either should be above criticism because you got day care or the Nazis got the trains to run on time.
dimbulb23 1 week ago
@BillCorriganVideo Harris would mop the floor with you on this subject, as he does with anyone else he debates. Your comment is the age-old fallback for anyone who's just been demolished in a conversation "You just don't understand what you're talking about -- you're out of your league". Yeah Yeah.
bigtruckerdriver22 1 week ago
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I CANT BELIEVE YOU RETARDS BELIEVE IN RELIGIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, YOU DUMBASSES FELL FOR IT! YOU DUMBASSES FELL FOR IT! OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA I CANT BELIEVE WE HAVE MADE SO MUCH PROGRESS IN THE WORLD BUT THERE ARE STILL A HUMONGOUS GROUP OF RETARDED PEOPLE THAT BELIEVE IN INVISIBLE PEOPLE, GHOSTS, MAKING THINGS FLOAT! I MEAN HOLY SHIT, YOUR BOOK HAS AS MUCH VALIDITY AS HARRY POTTER! ALL RELIGIONS! HAHAH
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@x420xColtonx420x I FIGURED IT OUT! THE UNIVERSE STARTED FROM NOTHING BECAUSE IT GROWS! JUST LIKE A SEED TURNS INTO A TREE. THE UNIVERSE FEEDS OFF OF ANTI MATTER, CREATING SOMETHING FROM NOTHING.
x420xColtonx420x 13 hours ago
I have not experienced anything that would prove or disprove the correctness of my faith, but the same applies to many other faiths. I mean, sure, many Catholics are nice and decent people, but so are many non-Catholics. Sure, many Catholics are very devout, seem joyful, have had supernatural experiences etc., but the same is in other faiths - Christian or not. So we need to win two bets: be right about the existence of God, AND pick the true God. Only then we can speak of following God's will
muteskutes1 2 weeks ago
I agree with Harris in principle, except that despite being indoctrinater into Christianity/Catholicsism, I still had those doubts since, to a degree, my first communion or at least early teens. I always wandered, if we Catholics account for just 1/5 of the population, how can we be so sure about our faith, while the rest of the humanity has a completely different view? How can we not be afraid of not getting it right and ending up in hell?
muteskutes1 2 weeks ago
I LOVE CHRISTIANITY AND IF YOU DONT YOUR GAY AND YOU LIKE TO GARBAGE FART IN HECK!!!
KoolKristianKidz 2 weeks ago
I love how the Top Commenters are butthurt and aren't able to actually refute any of what Sam has to actually say. Instead it's attacks and weirdness. Keep trying guys, one day you'll get there. (No, not really but you need the practice desperately)
SylG73 2 weeks ago
Sam Harris, long lost son of ZEUS!
Fenixx117 2 weeks ago
RELIGION, LOLOLOL
Jouhotehmonk 2 weeks ago
Beautiful.
debrainwasher1 3 weeks ago
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when Sam speaks he makes so much sense. Easy to understand, basic and simple reason. Why does this have to so complicated. I agree people dont believe in science, I knew people who would not take their child to hospital or take blood transfusions. I hope they are ok and when they need help they do the right thing regardless of their ego's.
benaberry 3 weeks ago
love that raised eyebrow
benaberry 3 weeks ago
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Dodullo Man has the biggest cross around his neck! The video is CRAZYYYY!
muusikman 4 weeks ago
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K. O.
OscarBrasa 4 weeks ago
S. Harris is a devout, PRACTICING Eastern Mystic. He has his own agenda, it's making him very rich & he's piggy-backed Dawkins & other articulate scientists who've become celebrities
trying their hardest to make Science into a Religion - Turn Physics into Metaphysics.
As a mystic, Harris believes he can have zen-like experiences while meditating inwardly. 2 Me THAT'S Totally Delusional & obviously completely devoid evidence. He's just as brainwashed as the person of faith.
Idahoprospector 4 weeks ago 2
@Idahoprospector
I agree science should be a religion, best tax cuts ever
benaberry 3 weeks ago
@Idahoprospector You have obviously have neither read nor understood a single thing Sam has said on the subject. You have the same tone and thought process as the delusional faithful.
Fenixx117 2 weeks ago
@Idahoprospector Not true. Harris does meditate, but doesn't consider the process to be metaphysical. I invite you to provide some sources to back up your claims.
oldeubank 2 weeks ago
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@Idahoprospector Meditation is scientifically proven to be able to bring zen like states. Maybe you should research something before you discredit it. There's nothing theistic or supernatural about Sam Harris' philosophy.
henrywiltcher 2 weeks ago
@henrywiltcher I couldn't agree more! I'd say Sam is right up there w/ Deepak Chopra (although they don't agree on everything), as one of the great Eastern mystic philosophers/thinkers of our time.
Bigbillpipps 2 weeks ago 2
@Idahoprospector "As a mystic, Harris believes he can have zen-like experiences while meditating inwardly. 2 Me THAT'S Totally Delusional & obviously completely devoid evidence."
You don't need evidence to back up a subjective feeling - that feeling *is* the subjective evidence manifesting itself in your experience. It's a fact that many people practice meditation and enjoy the feelings deep concentration produce in them. This has no more significance than them having feelings
Gnomefro 2 weeks ago
@Idahoprospector Also, Sam Harris was the one who kicked off the wave of books from "The New Atheists" with his "The end of faith". To say he is piggybacking off Dawkins is laughable.
Not as laughable as the statement that they're trying to make science into a religion though. That has to be the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
Gnomefro 2 weeks ago
@Idahoprospector "S. Harris is a devout, PRACTICING Eastern Mystic" And that is wrong because...? He and Dawkins seem to be getting along quite nicely, Furthermore, zen has nothing superstitious to it. They've even dumped the notion of reincarnation centuries ago. If people this rational and open-minded seem delusional to you, I do not see what would satisfy you, sir (or madam).
MysticOfTheSands 1 week ago
@Idahoprospector
None of that is true. But alas, it's also irrlevant; argue the message not the man. The whole point of the message is that the worth of Sam Harris is not relevant here. We don't do hero worship like religion. We just do evidence.
blahguylol 6 days ago
@Idahoprospector well actually hallucinations are just the cross-influence of the subconscious and your conscious interacting with your senses, you say its delusional to hallucinate but yet you would dream consistently right? are you delusional? Which by the way their is a wealth upon wealth of neuroscience explaining these phenomenon's of hallucination (See Carl Sagan "The Demon Haunted World".
MrLukeroberts91 6 days ago
@Idahoprospector I am absolutely sure he is not claiming to believe in anything that cant be proved. You are just interpreting it that way. The reason I know this is because I have seen a lot of the talks he has done, and I know he mentions some of these things. But not in the way you claim him to be.
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@Idahoprospector /watch?v=Ok2oJgsGR6c Sam's argument for the importance of spiritual experience 23:30 - .
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ryanp123456 1 month ago
If Sam and his like minded entertainers read the Quran and the Prophets (Mohammad) Hadiths with open mind, honesty and sincerity they will find that one of G-d (Allah) most prevailing qualities is compassion. Every chapter in Quran starts with “in the name Allah (G-d), Most Gracious, Most Merciful”; G-d has sent one messenger another to guide people; Allah says, if you come closer to him one step he will come closer to you 10 steps; Such G-d can not be lack of compassion. Read the Quran
arraba99 1 month ago
@arraba99 If only people of institutional religious convictions would model their lives on the compassion of their creator & messenger. I believe the Quran says "Who ever is kind to the creatures of God is kind to himself" & Jesus "Love your neighbor as yourself", "Do unto others as you would want done to yourself". The issue isn't with what some believe, but with the UNNECESSARY SUFFER some cause to conscious creatures, the impetus of which is their beliefs & u want 2b taken seriously
veganath 1 month ago
@arraba99 I'm sure that the Quran does say that. The problem is you need to be an intellectual infant in order to "take a step closer" to this god. If by take a step closer it means to Imagine this book to be a realistic representation of reality.
ryanp123456 1 month ago
Why someone with a complete lackof understanding of a subject is given a podium to talk as if he is an expert is what's wrong with this aging American generation that never fully matured. It's fascinating to see someone talking so confidently and making himself the voice of literally billions of people. Sweeping generalizations, attempts to evoke fear, and with such contempt for his audience. P.T. Barnum was right.
BillCorriganVideo 1 month ago 51
I agree 100%, If Sam would be knocking down Astrophysics, Shakespeare, Science or any other topic he is ignorant of, no one will take him seriously. But it is OK for him and others to knock down religion, especially Islam/Quran since he admitted knowing nothing about except for Fox and CNN’s sound bites - I am assuming he at least knows a little about Judaism (his birth faith) and Christianity. This is disingenuous and suspect to say the least.
arraba99 1 month ago
@arraba99
One needs only observe the fact that something is a religion to decide not to believe. He doesn't need to be an expert.
SaveTheWheat 1 month ago
@BillCorriganVideo Presumably you're talking about preachers, pastors, Pope's and Imam's?
oldeubank 3 weeks ago
@BillCorriganVideo Harris's talk is easily comprehensible by anyone who wishes to comprehend it (and frankly I bet you got it just fine), And his understanding of the subject appears to eclipse yours by a very wide margin.
simonclip 3 weeks ago
@BillCorriganVideo Your grammar and sentence structure is impeccable but the content of your paragraph is absurd. You're a paradox: you seem intelligent but you're as dumb as a box of nails.
spinmonkey4401 2 weeks ago
@BillCorriganVideo "Why someone with a complete lackof understanding of a subject is given a podium to talk as if he is an expert is what's wrong with this aging American generation that never fully matured."
What "subject" are you talking about? Religion? If so, one of the main points Sam Harris is making is that apparently there are no experts on that subject - due to the utter lack of consensus and contradictory claims being made.
Gnomefro 2 weeks ago
@BillCorriganVideo You can't seriously claim that he doesn't make a huge range of valid criticisms of religion as a phenomenon either. 9/11 would simply not have happened if there were not people who believe they could reap great rewards in an afterlife for killing the infidels - for no reason what so ever - by faith.
Gnomefro 2 weeks ago
@BillCorriganVideo Evoke fear? Did he threaten anything close to Eternal Damnation in a Lake of Fire?
dimbulb23 1 week ago
@BillCorriganVideo I actually can't tell if you are slighting Harris or Craig.
convictPKlol 4 days ago
I think he put that really well.
Roseh77 1 month ago
Poetry
samcarr6 1 month ago
I've already been scared at my lack of belief in Islam. I looked into Islam and decided I didn't believe Muhammad was a prophet. It's also difficult because I don't like Muslim culture as much as Jewish, plus Christianity's story I think is the most heartfelt story of any modern religion and it achieves this with ease. The Bible does not even actually say "burn in hell forever", the very closest thing of all the things it says about hell is "eternal damnation" which can mean death.
martiandog89 1 month ago
@martiandog89 "The Bible does not even actually say "burn in hell forever""
It does. Read revelation. Although the word "hell" is not used. Instead it's described as the lake of fire, where Satan and his minions, as well as everyone who didn't cut it during the end-times, are tossed in to burn for eternity.
Gnomefro 1 month ago
In Islam: nobody can say who goes to heaven or who goes to hell. It's all up to God. But those who are informed about Islam have no excuse in front of God for their disbelief but nobody can say someone is going to hell but definitely the key to heaven is believing in God, his Prophets and his books. Those who were not informed about Islam will be put to a test on judgement day and if they pass it, they go to heaven.
AIajmis 1 month ago
@AIajmis And yet there are countless clips of muslims saying exactly those things. For every muslim who says what you do, there is another muslim who says something very different based on the SAME TEXT. What your so called prophets and holy books actually say means very little because they are so vague and self-contradictory that they can be interpreted to support pretty much anything the interpreter wants .We see this happening on a daily basis across the world.
SarthorS 1 month ago
@SarthorS It depends on the level of knowledge a person has and also their agenda. My words are not personal interpretations. Religion has along history of being used for politics and profit.
AIajmis 1 month ago
@AIajmis
"It depends on the level of knowledge a person has"
You're sure about this? Where exactly is this spelled out in the Qur'an?
HellRehab 1 month ago
@HellRehab "And We did not send before you any but men to whom We sent revelation, so ask the people of God's remembrance if you do not know" ( Quran 21:7 )
AIajmis 1 month ago
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@AIajmis
You: "It depends on the level of knowledge a person has" as to whether you're sent to Hell in Islam.
Me: Where is this that spelled out?
You: "And We did not send before you any but men to whom We sent revelation, so ask the people of God's remembrance if you do not know" ( Quran 21:7 )
I see nothing here here about different "levels of knowledge" being a factor in determining one's fate. Do you want to try again? Or just list prominent islamic scholars that support this doctrine.
HellRehab 1 month ago
@AIajmis Allow me to interpret what you said. 'Those people are stupid and are not real muslims'. Also everything you believe about your religion is your personal interpretation. Even if it may be correct, it's still your own interpretation. The only other alternative is that what you wrote is an intentional lie.
SarthorS 1 month ago
@SarthorS a space for personal interpretation only exist when there is a text subject to interpretations. So not everything in religion is subject to personal interpretations as you think, there are clear texts.
AIajmis 1 month ago
@AIajmis And who decides whether a text is open for interpretation ? People do. I do agree that there are very clear texts, in the Torah, the Bible and the Quran.It is clear that these books are filled with hatred, intolerance, incitements to violence and murder, celebrations of atrocities and just plain ignorance. Anyone who believes these are guides for life are clearly delusional and a potential danger to society.
SarthorS 1 month ago
@SarthorS Have you read the Quran cover to cover?! Or you're just exercising your parrot skills?!
AIajmis 1 month ago
@AIajmis No I have not read it cover to cover, nor do I read Arabic since many claim that you can't properly understand it unless you read it in the original language. Have you read all the holy books of those religions that you reject as false ? Do you withhold judgement on the actions of non-muslims until you have fully read and understood their books ? What counts is how a religion is actually practiced and Islam has shown itself to be the most violent of all the major religions.
SarthorS 1 month ago
@SarthorS When it comes to the Quran, you can understand it in English ( check out the link in my page ) but you can't capture the beauty of it in other languages. When it comes to other holy books, I'm reading the bible as I write this comment. When it comes to violence, you've been brainwashed by your media, there are 1.33 billion Muslims in the world and your media only talks about a few thousand bad ones that are part of political movements and not religious ones!
AIajmis 1 month ago
@AIajmis I don't care how beautiful you say it is. A beautiful lie is still a lie and an ugly truth is still a truth. It's beauty is more than worthless, it's beguiling. As for the media, are you serious ? The media does that to EVERYONE including their own countries. Yet there's a good chance that you can find muslims at the heart of trouble spots all over the world, against Christian, Jews, Hindu's, Buddhists, and where there is no common enemy, themselves. All because of their evil religion.
SarthorS 1 month ago
@AIajmis
If I understand your position, those who weren't "informed about Islam" might escape Hell.
Do you realize that Dr. Craig (the guy who's being debated) has the exact same theory about people who haven't heard of Jesus? And it's just as pointless.
This "exception claus" is of no consolation to anyone reading your comment. We live in the information age. Everyone with an internet connection has been informed about Islam.
This idea is floated by people like Craig and yourself..
cont.
HellRehab 1 month ago
@AIajmis
as a way of making your god not seem like a complete a-hole.
It's amazing that anyone even uses this argument anymore. It doesn't apply except to tribesmen in the most remote corner of the planet, and to citizens of N. Korea where they aren't allowed contact with the outside world.
You and Craig. Wow!
HellRehab 1 month ago
@HellRehab I'm saying it as it is, without sugarcoating it and without compromising anything. You have the right to be informed and the right to state your opinion about the information given to you. These are not man made laws that can be amended according to our standards today. Craig has the worldly incentive while I don't.
AIajmis 1 month ago
God is a wanker and I hope he dies in pain.
martyaus2905 1 month ago
Something "tangible" in order to be convinced isn't the way many religions work. For example, there is nothing "tangible" that can legitimize Christianity other than personal transformations and feelings in people's lives. That's why there are a bazillion different religions and not one true religion the entire world follows.
crytebow 1 month ago
"More Than a Carpenter" is a pretty good book written by an Atheist who sets out on a quest to disprove Christianity but ended up believing the gospel after his extensive research. It comes up with a lot of solid evidence ...but yet again, it's not entirely conclusive - there is still some grey area. Heck, the whole story of the "Atheist converting to Christianity" could just be a huge, made-up, dramatic story.
crytebow 1 month ago
What it comes down to is whether or not you want to speculate the legitimacy of religion to the ends of the Earth. It's an eternal YouTube argument. Take a look at some of these threads… they're absolutely ridiculous.
For me? I just want to be a part of something bigger than myself. We live in a pretty freakin jacked up world. Just flip on the news or TrueTV for a few minutes.
crytebow 1 month ago
@crytebow You ARE part of something much bigger than yourself! It is called the universe and the cold hard facts about it are more vast and more beautiful than anything in mythology. Search for the hubble ultra deep field.
Ymirheim 1 month ago
@Ymirheim We nearly agree!! :P
The universe is beautiful. The complexities of nature are beyond-words astounding. Life complex enough to develop into beings capable of producing this laptop I'm using to communicate with you is pretty amazing. When I really think about it, there's GOTTA be a creator for it all. Feelings, music, emotions, love.... I just can't imagine these elements man can't come CLOSE to figuring out just... appearing one day and coming into existence.
crytebow 1 month ago
@Ymirheim What you are talking about has nothing to do with any kind of intelligent concept that all types of mythology address. Mythology addresses the "why?" which science does not even make an attempt to explain. If you look at everything scientifically then there definitely seems to be no intelligent "why", yet that would mean that everything comes from randomness, that means that everything just "is", but we have no reason to believe that a magical, no reason, scientific, big bang happened.
martiandog89 1 month ago
@martiandog89 "If you look at everything scientifically then there definitely seems to be no intelligent "why", yet that would mean that everything comes from randomness"
I'm sorry, but that's just nonsense. To illustrate that, ask yourself the question "Why does God exist?". It's clear that answers to "Why?" questions are necessarily made up to a large degree. They do not apply to reality as a whole - yet this does not imply randomness for theism does it?
Gnomefro 1 month ago
@martiandog89 Sadly, the truth is that mythology addresses gaps in human knowledge and typically anthropomorphize those gaps without a shred of evidence. Which is why mythology has been consistently wrong in all of human history. The Thor hypothesis of lightning is not merely different from that of science - it's false. Any comfort the belief in the "Why?" of that hypothesis was similarly false. This is why evidence and reason must form the basis of our beliefs about reality.
Gnomefro 1 month ago
@martiandog89 You'll notice that this is basically "science". We still want some why? questions answered of course, and it turns out that we can do that with the help of science as well. We just have to phrase them properly. Such as "Why do humans generally regard killing other humans in their in-group as wrong?" The answer(s) is encoded in the brains of all normally functioning humans, just waiting to be discovered.
Gnomefro 1 month ago
The feelings I get from doing good and loving people significantly outweigh a good hangover, hurting people, hating parents, depression, getting strung out on coke. But being "bad" is just part of our nature. Selfishness is in our DNA. But I view religion as personal choice.
crytebow 1 month ago
@crytebow The feelings you get from doing good is just as much in your DNA as anything else, doing good results in happiness, happiness is chemistry and chemistry is an extension of physics. It all trickles down from the most basic laws of the universe into greater and greater complexity.
Ymirheim 1 month ago
@Ymirheim There's only so much man can break down. This is turning into a science discussion, which is an area I'm not too strong in! But where did atoms come from? The electrons? This energy? The energy that created the electrons? The source of this energy? It's source? It's source? What caused the different types of atoms to become real? Man... deep stuff!
crytebow 1 month ago
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For me, nothing but good, positive results have come from believing. It's simple logic. Why would I want to live my life another way that doesn't make me as happy? I don't "act good" or "love people" as a requirement… I just want to.
And man, it's not sunshine and rainbows all the time. Across the world, people are persecuted and put to death for their faith.
crytebow 1 month ago
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@crytebow But they continue to live their lives the way they feel they should because again, the good outweighs the bad. For me? It works, and my life is different because of it. That is conclusive evidence.
crytebow 1 month ago
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crytebow 1 month ago
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HearTheTruthOnline 1 month ago
So Jesus was just a Jew? He was not the Messiah or God or anything? He was not even a Muslim Prophet? What a loser!
JoshuaAbrahamm 2 months ago
@JoshuaAbrahamm was dianosis a person you consider as divine?? was krishna? was budha?? 2 born from a virgin, the other got out by the side wound of his mother,
you only consider jesus to be special, cause you were born in a place where it was the story that ws told you, there is really nothing special about jesus story compare to other religion that are now fade, your a atheist because you dont beleive in krishna you miss the whole point, did you listen to what sam harris just explain?
lapmarty 1 month ago
@lapmarty I'm not a Christian or Muslims, And I'm not a religious Jew. and I don't care for Jesus, Moses or Muhammad or what ever. I have no loyalty to stupidity. I know that the virgin birth is a pagan invention which was hijacked by the Christians. I agree with I don't think that there is anything special about Jesus. So I don't see your point here.
JoshuaAbrahamm 1 month ago
@JoshuaAbrahamm the form you use to make your statement makes it looks like you say sam harris is a loser therefore my comment sorry
lapmarty 1 month ago
@lapmarty Don't worry about it. I like Sam, its just that Religion is not B.S. Religion gives hope to so many. And I guess, maybe I took Sam the wrong way. I think that I thought what he said was that the hope that these people get from there Gods and Holy books "Religions" was B.S.
JoshuaAbrahamm 1 month ago
I'm like Sam Harris really, most people in Norway are. Religion is barely anywhere in my country and it's kinda looked at as very fringe to be religious. We have a state christian church, but most people dont give a shit about it, and dont care. And Norway is a pretty chill country too, high pay, murders where at an all time low this year with like 8 murders. Basicly no crime at all, and if there is any, it's random drunk guy trying to rob a gas station.:P All in all, Norway is chiiiiilll. :)
Faerlon123 2 months ago
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RethinkingAmerica 2 months ago
harris makes sense. Christianity is no insurance for not going to hell. Christians don't even come to one third of world population, and others have different gods, who say that we are wrong. Catholics say there's no salvation outside Cath Church, but when you think about it, Catholic population of the world is smaller than that of India, and almost twice as small as China... And they claim they alone have the true path. Moreover statistically only 10-15 per cent catholics "practice" their faith
muteskutes1 2 months ago
Sam Harris slam dunks once again. The man us a master and the heir apparent to Hitchens and Dawkins.
Klash92 2 months ago
How many times ALLAH has sent you morons Messengers and Prophets and Miracles and you still blaming Allah you worthless Morons!
JohnJHarrison 2 months ago
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Where in the bible did Jesus claim to be god? Where in the bible did Jesus ask to be worshipped? Where did Jesus say I am God Manifested in flesh? Where did Jesus mention the original sin? Where did Jesus say I am the God the Son? Where did Jesus say that I am God the Word? Where did Jesus say I am the Second God in Trinity ?
JohnJHarrison 2 months ago
@danielson923 There was probably a hundred dudes named Jesus put to the cross, or beheaded that year you retard. It doesnt mean anything fucking magical happened when any of them died.
iurhviusdfavhi 2 months ago
Sam Harris is a jew!
pfctjd 2 months ago
DISINFO AGENT.
TastySorrow 2 months ago
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TastySorrow 2 months ago
How can Christians claim moral objectivity? In the 10 commandments it's says do not murder, yet the redeeming grace of Jesus revolves around murder. How is or morally objective to say murder is a sin, but then the only way to save humans is to murder someone and be happy about it?
MyloDude22 2 months ago
Next time someone asks me why I'm an atheist, I know where to send them.
TheSmackerlacker 2 months ago 19
@TheSmackerlacker It can really get frustrating when time after time they make the same fallacious assumptions and mischaracterize us.
TheBiAtheist 2 months ago
@TheBiAtheist That is true, but unavoidable. Faulty thinking is the reason that religion exists. The human mind is incredibly fallible. There are a vast number of things that we cannot understand, and a very large number of things that we do not understand so well as we think.
Consider for example that for most of human history it was widely believed that things which look similar have similar properties. We know this to be untrue, but imagine being the first guy to see it.
TheSmackerlacker 2 months ago
@TheSmackerlacker Oh I don't doubt that religion held much more seemingly explanatory power in the days of humanity's scientifically ignorant days.
TheBiAtheist 2 months ago
@TheBiAtheist I didn't mean for my response to be so full of profundity and discourse, but I'm almost done. I guess what I'm saying is that next time you get frustrated, remember that the problem your facing is not "them", but your own nature, manifest in them. Then all you have to do is to help them overcome it, the way you overcame it yourself, already.
TheSmackerlacker 2 months ago
@TheSmackerlacker Atheism and Religion are somewhat the same thing. Both are forms of "indoctrination"
sirusownslinkmania 2 months ago
@sirusownslinkmania No. They are not.
If one more fucking idiot tells me that atheism is just like religion, I might snap.
Get a fucking clue, study, learn the facts, then talk. Until then, fucking go away.
TheSmackerlacker 2 months ago
@TheSmackerlacker Lol chill out bubble kid. Not following a religion does not automaticly make you an atheist. Go read the fucking definition. But if one imediately considers himself an atheist after learning that religion is bull, then he just jumped from one extreme to the other.
sirusownslinkmania 2 months ago
@sirusownslinkmania Two things. First, what the fuck is a "bubble kid"? Second, atheism is not an extreme position. In fact, it is a completely neutral position.
TheSmackerlacker 2 months ago
@TheSmackerlacker It's a matter of perspective. Usually atheists fail to consider other possibilities other than what science offers on a silver plate. For example if science dictates that something is impossible, then no science abiding atheist goes out of his way to question that. Kind of like a religious person that blindly follows his dogma without question. This is what I was reffering to when I said that.
sirusownslinkmania 2 months ago
@sirusownslinkmania It is not a matter of perspective. Atheism is not scientism. Atheism implies nothing except the rejection of belief in gods. Atheism does not mean that you believe everything that scientists have to say.
Furthermore, science is not a business of stating facts. The word science means study. A scientist is a student, not a declarer of facts.
The single goal of science is to attain the best understanding possible, not to declare what is possible.
TheSmackerlacker 2 months ago
@sirusownslinkmania Anyone who makes absolute, declarative statements about the nature universe is not a scientist, and anyone who accepts them is not an atheist, and that is the end of it.
Good day.
TheSmackerlacker 2 months ago
@sirusownslinkmania Just as you then have been indoctrinated into not being a radical communist? Indoctrinated into not believing in unicorns? Indoctrinated into not believing in Santa?
Absence of belief in a claim that has not been proven is NOT a dogma, it is merely to absence of being convinced by a claim. People tell me there is a god, until they can convince me through something tangible that this is correct, then my default position realistically have to be to not accept it as truth.
Ymirheim 2 months ago
@Ymirheim Would you please explain to me how the FUCK would anyone prove to you GOD(search definiton) by TANGIBLE(definiton again) evidence? What, do you expect some sign in the sky? Voice? Where do you think a god would be if he existed?
sirusownslinkmania 2 months ago
@sirusownslinkmania I can not even begin to describe how this is NOT my problem. If you put fourth a claim that you can't possibly prove in the first place then there is even less reason why I should accept it. If I say to you that there are unicorns living on Pluto but they only live on the dark side of the planet so we can't ever see them, you will take the rational position of assuming I am wrong unless I can prove it. Saying "well it can't be proven!" is NOT an argument in my favor.
Ymirheim 2 months ago
@Ymirheim Where did I mention that It cannot be proven at all? I said it cannot pe proven with the sort of evidence you are looking for. Science at least is thousands of years early.
sirusownslinkmania 2 months ago
@sirusownslinkmania Sooo, you are saying. I have this claim that I can't prove, but one day there will be a kind of science that will be able to prove it, and then it will be proven true, so you have to take my word for it until then? It really does not matter, if you can't prove something then the rational stance and default position has to be to not believe in it. Otherwise we would have to believe in EVERY possible concept we could imagine all the time.
Ymirheim 2 months ago
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crytebow 1 month ago
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crytebow 1 month ago
@TheSmackerlacker This isnt supporting atheism.
gaslimp 1 month ago
@TheSmackerlacker This isnt supporting atheism.
gaslimp 1 month ago
@gaslimp Define "this". Are you talking about the video, or my comment? In either case, how do you justify your statement, because they both seem pretty supportive to me.
TheSmackerlacker 1 month ago
@TheSmackerlacker I do not disagree with atheism or with the video (just wanted to clarify this just in case). I find this video to be about indoctrination and not atheism. Maybe im wrong or maybe you know more about this guy than i do.
gaslimp 1 month ago
@gaslimp The video is about indoctrination. It is, however, virtually impossible to have a discussion about indoctrination without it being directly related to religion, or without the implication of an atheistic agenda.
A theist cannot argue that indoctrination is bad, because without doctrine, religion has no power.
Likewise, it is the goal of any outspoken atheist to extol the virtues of critical thinking, which is at odds with indoctrination.
TheSmackerlacker 1 month ago
HE DID GIVE A SIGN>>>>>>>> HIS NAME IS JESUS CHRIST!
danielson923 2 months ago
@danielson923 No, that doesnt count, we dont even know for sure if the man was real, abd even if he was, there are huge plotholes in the mans life, including coverups, and flatout lies. And before you comment, watch the video, because a muslim could say the same thing, but in place for jesus, they could say mohamed.
ThatFuckingAtheist 2 months ago
@ThatFuckingAtheist - muHAMED was not crucified...
danielson923 2 months ago
@danielson923 So anyone thats crucified is now holy? And btw, we dont know if jesus was crucified.
ThatFuckingAtheist 2 months ago
@ThatFuckingAtheist -yes we do...it is FACT...the Son of God issue is the debate...
danielson923 2 months ago
@danielson923No, its not a fact, but even still, I dont see how being crucified makes you the son of god.
ThatFuckingAtheist 2 months ago
@ThatFuckingAtheist -do ya research...Jesus from Nazareth was indeed crucified...it is a fact
danielson923 2 months ago
@danielson923 Well, considering that Jesus was real, then I think the Flying Spaghetti Monster is a fact.
masterzparkour 2 months ago
@masterzparkour -you can think w/e u wnt...lol...
danielson923 2 months ago
@ThatFuckingAtheist -it is why...He gave up His life...it was not taken from Him..
danielson923 2 months ago
@danielson923
Why wasn't his name Muhammad?
BeBoBli 2 months ago
@danielson923
He did give a sign, his name is Muhammad.
He did give a sign, his name is Thor.
chaoszieg 2 months ago
@chaoszieg -how are these two men a sign of true love?
danielson923 2 months ago
@danielson923
how is Jesus a sign of true love?
chaoszieg 2 months ago
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Have you never read Spinoza ??????
borghese1 2 months ago
WHOEVER HAVE THE AMAZINGATHIEST AS A FREND IS FUCKING ATHIEST YOU FUCKING MORON ATHIEST MOTTO IN LIF EIS WE ONLEY BELIVE WHAT OUR EYES SEE HAVENT ANY PROOF OF NOTHING IN EVERY FUCKING DEBATTE YOU LOSE !
OUWATZAHLE08 2 months ago
@OUWATZAHLE08 You are Swedish and yet you believe in the bible. lmao. Theres a first for everything. faggot
TheJDorian 2 months ago
@OUWATZAHLE08 u mad bro?
Sentence structure...learn some.
OtakuRebel 2 months ago
@OUWATZAHLE08 Who said anything about TAA? And newsflash: there is no "atheist motto"
ThatFuckingAtheist 2 months ago
ARE YOU BEING SARKASTIC FAGGOT ?
OUWATZAHLE08 2 months ago