XReflection - God is without causality, no beginning and no end. Those of you who deny God in essence believe the same thing about your godless big bang - think about it.
God is Love, Love is Real and God has invested all authority in Jesus. What you believe has no bearing on that reality, that reality supercedes your beliefs. The bottom line is you don't know Who you are missing.
Bassomanvfr, you say god is without cause and beginning, and he created the universe. But why not just say that the UNIVERSE is without cause and beginning, and leave out the whole "god created" step?
It's simpler, and it explains the observations equally well. Therefore, according to the principle of "Occam's Razor" (look it up), the godless theory is superior.
As you say, "What you believe has no bearing on that reality." The bottom line is YOU don't know what YOU are missing: EVIDENCE.
That's great, because 93% of scientists are non-believers. If God is a scientist too, maybe he'll give them a break and let them into heaven anyway, instead of burning them in hell for all eternity.
God is the ultimate scientists, what scientists are discovering is what god created. If your put somewere long enough you gonna observe your habitat your surroundings.
What scientists are discovering is that you DON'T NEED a God to explain who we are, where we are, why we are here, and how we got here. Natural processes alone are sufficient.
Couple the fact that no God is needed to explain stuff with the fact that there's NO EVIDENCE for a God, and you end up with no reason to believe that God exists. This assumes that you think it's important to have reasons and evidence to back up your beliefs. I do. That's why I don't believe in your God or anyone else's.
What Evidence do scientists have? evidence that god basically put there? Like I stated before scientists are only discovering what god has created. Take a moment to look at your self your hands, your eyes, your fingers. The reason you are able to walk. Its all man made by an superior creator. There is no way something can just appear out of no were.
Prozspect0, the 500 characters allowed per YouTube comment are not enough for me to give you lessons in the sciences. Read, go to school, and learn something about your universe.
Those scientific explanations I mentioned earlier, about who and why we are, and where, and how we got here, are based on scientific observations, on EVIDENCE -- astronomical, geological, biological, chemical.
The story in this video tells how we got here, from the beginning to time until now, based on that evidence.
Right now the best explaination is that energy consists of string particles (not fully supported yet) that vibrate at different frequencies to create different form of energy, forces, matter, etc. It is currently unknown how this energy came to existance (or if it is created even) but this energy is put on earth through expansion by big bang. Physicists would eventually figure out the unknowns as they always have
Prozpect0, educate yourself about these questions, if you plan to argue about them.
What we know is that about 14 billion years ago, all the mass and energy in the observable universe were compressed into a very, very small volume at a very, very high temperature. It then expanded rapidly and cooled down. It's still expanding and cooling.
Where did that mass/energy come from? Don't know. But where did your God come from? You don't know. There no sense explaining one mystery by using another.
It's not ALL a mystery. From that moment 14 billion years ago until now, we have a good understanding of what happened, as put to song in this video. The lyrics are quite accurate -- you can learn something from them if you pay attention.
We understand how stars and galaxies formed; how our solar system with Earth and the other planets formed; the forces that shape our world; and how life evolved over time into the many species we see today, including humans. No gods are needed in that story.
If you use that argument, then you can go as far as to say how was "God" put in the position he is in? Did he just magically appear? Where are his origins?
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What a depressing outlook. The fact is, nobody can prove how it all began. Even in your theory you fail to state where the first matter came from. You can't make something from nothing. Suppose your view of things is correct. As a Christian I will live a full life of faith, hope, love and purpose, and if I'm wrong at the end will be none the wiser. However if I am right and you are wrong, your eternal outlook is much bleaker. I'll choose Jesus. All this immense complexity just happened..right...
It has the virtue of being true. Wow that is sad. Look at what you believe, you think inanimate things without the capability of organizing their selves some how got to where we are now. Why don't you look into the geologic time column and how they got those ridiculous dates.You will find that your theory isn't on such solid ground like you thought it was. A little thing called circular reasoning.
I know that as a christian you don't know any better, but there doesn't have to be a beginning to the universe. It might have just always been there. But who cares about that, christians still believe in talking snakes and men that live in fish! Luckily intellectualism is taking off. Soon we will finally be rid of these dangerous religions that make people mentally handicapped.
Actually there does have to be a beginning, you can't say that the universe always was, that contradicts itself. The passing of time is what brought us to this point. If you are correct, then there is no passing of time, because you say the universe was always there, so there is no measurement of anything, which would make everything infinite. Well that doesn't work because we all know time is passing and the universe is unwinding.
krikey so many debates on one video, i'd love to joing in but i know i'll get too caught up in it and get carried away. this song is excellent, well done x
I love this song and it was very popular in SAIC in Chicago art school but if u Jeff have more time, write your text, lyrics of this song, is awesome music, thank u
"Creationists"/"IDers" can look at all the information, and simply deny that it was without intelligent conception. I find it hard to believe that it was done without a concept myself, as a former atheist, and can say it with confidence.
Creationist, IDer, former atheist, future atheist--what's really important is, do you have any evidence for your explanation of how we got here?
My lyrics in this vid DO reflect the evidence gathered so far. Accept the evidence or reject the evidence. It doesn't matter to me. But the Big Bang-to-now lyrical trajectory in "Be Mine" is what the FACTS of cosmic and biological evolution show us.
And the song is really science in the service of love, because "Be Mine" is mainly a love song.
One additional comment about evidence, EnemyoftheDevil. Your difficulty believing that "it" was done "without a concept" is NOT evidence for "it" having been done "with a concept." If you know what I mean.
And you might want to verify this in your favorite logic textbook, but I'm pretty sure that "Proof by Lack of Imagination" is not considered a valid sort of proof.
No it's not "evidence." It's logic, and from the science given to me so far, I haven't heard anything good enough yet.
It is evidence with the similar effect of evolution such as "you are looking at the results from God." Every law, and just enough is right to create our kind of life. And much of creation seems pretty orderly.
It's a scale to balance.
To understand my thinking, the unanswered questions are as important, if not more than, the answered ones, depending on how heavy it is.
I don't see your evidence or your logic, to be quite honest.
For example, you state that "every law is just right for life." Does that mean that "every law" could be some OTHER way? Prove it!
Could a proton have a DIFFERENT mass? An electron a DIFFERENT charge? Feel free to share your knowledge of how and why physical constants have the values they do.
How many other universes have you looked at, where "every law" is different? (Drug-induced space travel doesn't count.)
Rushed Typo mistake. Every law of the universe is intelligent. And with microbes/micro-organisms, we have just enough to have life like us. And I think it's conceptualized.
If not, then why are we here? Why is anything here?
Hey, I'm just telling you the facts. If you don't want to accept them, that's your choice.
But as far as why we are here, it's all about the replicators, man. Which in our case are our genes. Read "The Selfish Gene" for details.
Asking "Why the universe?" may be an invalid and/or silly question. Back in the middle ages, serious scholars debated how many angels could dance on the head of a pin. Your question seems like their question. The universe may simply NOT HAVE a "why." Live with it.
Since "why" exists, and is paramount in science.. I will continue to ask that question, since we as a species have discovered the question. It can be chosen to deny the question, but I consider it too important. And a good one.
I will read "The Selfish Gene" thanks for the recommendation. Some intelligent *secular* science-minded people have told me genes themselves are not intelligent.
Could someone be an alcoholic if alcohol was never in the persons time?
Could someone be an alcoholic if alcohol was unknown at the time? Perhaps. But could someone be an alcoholic if the alcohol molecule ITSELF were chemically impossible? Magic 8 Ball says, "Ask again later."
Science asks "how" rather than "why" (e.g., how do stars turn lighter elements into heavier ones?). It looks at physical relationships (e.g., force equal mass times acceleration). Science examines how much we can know about something (e.g., Heisenberg uncertainty principle).
Good point. My question: How did the big bang initiate? How did the universe become so wonderfully put together? How did other elements come out of nowhere when they were not present at the big bang? How did this microscopic dust thing manage to have the power to thrust us to where we are, and keep expanding? How did, if all that happened, perfectly content molecules and mud puddles go against all odds and become life? And at that keep progressing against the law of entropy. Tooooooo many holes.
It's very simple. The story of the universe as summarized in this video is what the EVIDENCE shows is true.
Christarchist777, you asked a lot of "how's" in this comment and in your previous two comments. The answers are available for you if you truly are interested. You can find those answers at your local library, in the science section. Spend some time there and become scientifically literate. That is, if you really do want to know the truth.
The thing is though, the general belief in science ever since darwin has been that of absolutley no absolutes, he even said it himself. Somthing like, Truth is only what is generally accepted and is contingent on what man finds. Think about it, they have changed the supposed age of the earth to fit all the needed time for organisms to evolve I would say more than 4 times in the last 10 years. It's always different depending on who you are talking to. That isn't truth.
You are completely misinformed, Christarchist. No recent revisions of Earth/s age for evolution, and that age is NOT "always different."
But you are right that there are no absolutes. How could there be? We're still discovering how the universe works. The great thing about science is that the theories must fit the observations. As new facts are discovered, the theories may be improved. Perfect, unchanging truth? No. But science is the ONLY way to find the truth, whatever that turns out to be.
Maybe I was, but I here a different age from different people all of the time. My question is how can't there be absolutes? Absolutes are what is. Science just tells us how those absolutes work. Just because the universe is expanding doesn't mean that it points to the big bang theory only. In the book of Isaiah it says God spreads the heavens out like a curtain, that also fits perfect with what we observe, and it has extra credibility because back then people new nothing about space expanding.
I see what you mean. I think most scientists would agree with you that an "objective reality" exists "out there," and that they are discovering its laws and characteristics.
But science uses "inductive reasoning" (look it up) which is inherently uncertain. It's always possible that new observations will require us to revise our theories.
However, the fact that theories evolve is a GOOD thing: we improve our explanations as we gain new data. Unlike religion, which is unchanging, but wrong.
OK exactly, which means we don't define truth but find it.
So that leads us to real truth. What is it? How is it that every religion has something in common? Where did humans get these ideas for morality? How is it that Christianity makes one look down at his own ways and realize that every thing he does is wrong? Check out Mathew Chapters 5-7. All of it is impossible to do unless God comes into you and changes you. Truth is objective, which means we better search high and low for it.
The world's religions and legal traditions have much in common with each other regarding what's right and what's wrong, because they are all codifying what we INSTINCTIVELY feel about morality. We have "moral genes" that guide our behavior, and religions and legal codes turn those instincts into commandments and laws. Other social animals possess similar "ethical" instincts. Morality is an evolved trait.
But in their creation stories, religions differ hugely, because they just made them up.
Legal traditions came from God. But I have never heard about moral genes, if you say genes make us moral then there really is no right or wrong because what if someones gets a genetic mutation to where they think murder is right? If that's what is true than it would definatley be able to hold up in a court of law. But no jury would pronounce some one Innocent if they said their Genes made them do it. No one can prove that. Every creation story except moses' talks about matteralways existing.
Legal traditions came from God?? Does God make British jurists wear those powdered wigs? I always wondered where that tradition came from.
Seriously, though, there are many creation stories out there -- as many as there are cultures. Some of those creation stories are quite imaginative and lovely.
But the EVIDENCE supports the creation story in this video -- the creation story as revealed by science. All the other creation stories, including Genesis, are just lovely stories and nothing more.
Well there was nothing and BAM there came something, and then everything intellectually organized itself into complex systems that work together like a machine we could never imagine to comprehend let alone build. And to make it more complicated Life exists. I mean I guess inorganic materials just got bored just sitting there and decided they should form something utterly amazing to pass the time. Hm thats not even a lovely story. You did side step the Moral Genes, so did I with the powder wigs.
Well I have been reading darwin's orgin of the species, but he clearly never tried to explain what made animals gain new characteristics that were passed on within the genome.
Jonah 2:6
To the roots of the mountains I sank down; the earth beneath barred me in forever. But you brought my life up from the pit, O LORD my God.
Good try, I used to think the same thing.. BUT this passage shows something that scientists did not discover until the 50's. Mountains in the ocean!
We now know that random genetic mutations provide the variation. The environment provides the selection. Put them both together and voila! You get design WITHOUT a Designer. All natural like!
You still haven't explained that man-living-in-a-fish thing. And then there's Matthew 13:31,32, where the supposed all-knowing God (as Jesus) says: "... a grain of mustard seed ... is the smallest of all seeds...." But God was WRONG. The smallest seed is from an orchid and WAY smaller than mustard seed.
Actually the fact that mountains under the sea were recorded shows that Jonah had been in that whale and lived to write what he saw. CONTEXT CLUES!
Mark 4:31 "It is like a mustard seed, which is the smallest seed you plant in the ground." (NIV) He is talking about the smallest seeds the Jews used when they planted crops. That was an obvious assumption in the passage you quoted due to the fact that he previously mentioned 2 parables about the harvest.
What, did the FISH have a porthole in its stomach so Jonah could enjoy the view? And did it have lights to illuminate the deep sea darkness? The Bible is so cool. But then I like all science fiction.
God/Jesus says in Matthew 13:32, plain as day, that the mustard seed is the SMALLEST of ALL seeds. Period. Which it isn't. Did God skip botany class at Heavenly U?
And then there's Luke 8:26-39, where Jesus cures an insane person by driving out his demons into pigs. Demons cause insanity? What?
Before we start arguing about different translations of Matthew 13:31,32, here it is in Young's LITERAL Translation: "Another simile he set before them, saying: 'The reign of the heavens is like to a grain of mustard, which a man having taken, did sow in his field, which LESS, indeed, is than ALL THE SEEDS, but when it may be grown, is greatest of the herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the heaven do come and rest in its branches.' [My emphasis]
You don't understand I quoted Mark 4:31, not Mathew, Like I said Mathew's account must be assumed that Jesus is talking about plants that are planted, because Mark says that's what he said. He had to have said these parables more than once. Once again, but in Youngs Literal Translation Mark 4: 31As a grain of mustard, which, whenever it may be sown on the earth, is less than any of the seeds that are on the earth; Check out all the different translations, they clearly mean what I just said.
But a grain of MUSTARD, which, whenever it may be sown on the Earth, is NOT less than any of the seeds that are on the Earth! That's the point. An ORCHID seed is less than any of the seeds that are on the Earth.
How did an all-knowing Creator -- who supposedly created BOTH seeds -- get that wrong?
The point is, you can't look to the Bible for science. It's definitely wrong in its botany. It's definitely wrong in its creation story. It's definitely wrong in its astronomy (see Joshua 10:12).
You must not have any tools to look up the original Greek language. Just so you know every Greek word in the bible has a Strong's Number, that way we can relate them to the English language.This is the word used for "Earth"G1093
Contracted from a primary word; soil; by extension a region, or the solid part or the whole of the terrene globe (including the occupants in each application): - country, earth (-ly), ground, land, world.
It does NOT mean earth as in the whole world. Ir just means soil.
Should he have made a name for a seed no one knew of yet?
I am just assuming there were no orchids common to the people He was speaking to.
What kind of random genetic mutations actually are evidence of design without a designer. That's malarky to even make that claim. Because of natural selection and mutations you think there is no room for a designer? Not that simple, evolution is not that simple.
If Jesus had said, "The smallest seed in the world belongs to this tropical plant that you don't even know about, that lives in a part of the world that you don't even know about," then THAT would be impressive. It might even have made me a believer.
But the Bible is never like that. It reflects the scientific ignorance of the people who wrote it They didn't know about orchids, so neither did the god they invented. But they knew about mustard seeds.
LOL. Sorry, but why would a parable about faith place more emphasis on a fact no one at that time would even recognize and probably just be confused by? He was speaking to our souls and hearts, not to a petri dish.
The people who wrote the bible I am sure were not scientists. There is some claims in there that would seem impossible at the time, but we know now through science it is very possible. Like a virgin birth, we know a virgin can give birth with invitro.
The existence of creationism thinking in our age is truly a SHAME for our species. How can someone with brains deny such an obvious fact? Evolution DO exist, and there´s NO doubt about it.
This video worries me TREMENDOUSLY. Science seems to have an answer for everything. You can only SPECULATE through science. Although evolution seems correct, it's a deceptive way to "disprove" God and trust me, this deception is overwhelmingly powerful. Had I not had God in my life, I would surely believe our existence can only be explained through science because I am passionate of science/deep physics myself. All I ask is to pray to God and ask Him in your heart.. you WILL begin to understand.
"Make sense?" Just because you (all the rest of us) cannot comprehend the Universe in the physical sense... you simply don't believe in God? And what do you think FAITH is? Don't be misguided.... read the Bible, and take just a ounce to believe..... if you have faith, it will grow
Ever read the bible as if it was a fictional story well if you did you would understand that it is just a book think of god as a main character in that book like a omniscient narator then you will see it was and is just a book that controls an organized cult of human beings
Uh, what are you babbling about, Kwasi5179? Our understanding of the universe "in a physical sense" is excellent and improving all the time, thanks to science (and no thanks to the "science fiction" in the Bible). In fact, this very video is a concise summary of what we know about our trajectory from the Big Bang to the present. And unlike the Bible, "Be Mine" has the advantage of being true.
Now now, let's not go saying what is and isn't true. The realm of the supernatural is entirely personal, you can't prove or disprove it, so let people believe what they want, so long as it isn't harming society.
As for our understanding, it's limited at best. It grows better all the time, yes, but we've only a microcosm of what we can learn so far. This doesn't mean we know nothing, but we're still barely scraping the knowledge of the universe.
Let's not be too modest! At this point, we need to spend billions on Large Hadron Colliders to discover something we don't already know.
And as for "letting people believe what they want," please note that I didn't go to Kwasi's YouTube vid and comment on how misguided *he* is! Au contraire, mon frere! If Kwasi's beliefs are "entirely personal," then why is he preaching in the comments section of "Be Mine"? Answer me that!
We don't need to be modest to admit we don't know that much. The supercolliders in development today are amazing signs of our accomplishment, but we are far from understanding more than a tiny fraction of all that there is to know. I'm sorry if my words were confusing.
And I apologize for him, it is wrong to try and force your beliefs on others. I'm Christian, but I do not demand or even suggest that others should be. I hope he hasn't damaged your views of those with religious beliefs.
Thanks for sharing your views. Indeed, I'm sure the universe holds surprises for us. We'd get pretty bored if it didn't!
And any scientific theory, however well supported by the evidence to date, is inherently tentative. What's great about the scientific process is that it's self-correcting and, over time, converges on the truth. This can't be said about unchanging faiths.
Finally, my views of the religious are already pretty jaded! A study of history will do that...
Well, it depends on the faith. I've done my own evaluating of my beliefs and of the Bible, as well as of several other beliefs, and it's from this I draw my beliefs, as well as natural observation (I.E. I accept evolution as a likely fact). I think you're confusing religion with faith: Religion is dogma, faith is personal belief.
I can understand if your views of faiths/religions are jaded, mine are too, but things like the Inquisition are over, and the age of acceptance has begun.
Is there any evidence for the Creationist "interpretation"? Of course not--all the evidence points to evolution. That is precisely why scientists accept evolution, because science is based on evidence.
Creationism, in contrast, is based on somebody's say so: somebody long ago who said the Earth is 6,000 years old. Of course, we know now that they were wrong. But only by a few billion years!
Then there's "Intelligent Design." But who designed the Designer? Bit of a logical problem there, eh? Yup.
Obviously you don't know much about Creationists. They use the same evidence as other scientists to map their interpretation. They're not idiots... Mostly, anyway. As for Creationism, it's based on a flawed understanding of the Bible, in my opinion, but that doesn't mean these people are idiots who don't do their research. Lastly, suggesting "Who created God" is a bit stupid for anyone who suggests an eternally existing universe, as suggesting one is ludicrous does so to the other.
Creationism--and religion in general--does not arrive at its "truth" by looking at evidence. Rather, religion takes the position that truth is revealed through faith and sacred scripture.
This approach is flawed because there is no reason to believe that faith leads to truth. In fact, various faiths are mutually contradictory. Even Creationists can't agree among themselves.
Asking "who designed the Designer" reveals the logical flaw of infinite recursion at the root of Intelligent Design theory.
But suggesting "Who designed the Designer" would indicate that the Designer even needed someone to design them. They are, and have always been, by the reckoning of most religious groups.
Intelligent Design theory pretends to be "scientific" and conceals its religious character by avoiding explicit claims that the Designer is Jehovah or any other traditional deity (though IDers clearly think and imply it's Jehovah). So it's perfectly valid to ask "who designed the Designer." After all, if a bacterial flagellum needs a Designer to explain it, then doesn't something as complex as that Designer itself also need to be designed? And then who designed the Designer of the Designer, etc.
Yeah, but you shouldn't lump them together. Creationists and IDers are not one and the same. As for bacteria needing a designer, remember that we're talking of something that operates by natural laws and something that is exempt to them. Personally, I'm not a Creationist or an IDer, though, so I can't answer for them
IDers are simply sneaky Creationists. They admitted as much in federal court testimony in PA. The court finally decided that ID is Creationism, as you know.
How can something be "exempt from natural laws"? We learn about natural laws by observing the universe. If an observation casts doubt on our understanding of a natural "law," then scientists rethink the theory rather than declare a miracle occurred! E.g., relativity theory, quantum theory.
No, again, some IDers are Creationists and some Creationists are IDers but A != B because B is sometimes C. Understand? Some IDers aren't Creationists.
Now, as for exempt from natural laws, simple. It's the entity that created them. They obey them when they choose because overturning them would destroy them but anyway...
As for faith, you have faith that scientific interpretation of evidence is accurate. Faith is merely you placing your belief in something. That's what the word means.
Show me the evidence that an entity created "natural laws." Prove it.
You have evidence that science is valid all around you. It works. The computer you are using right now proves that science works. When you get sick, you go to a doctor, not to some faith healer. Why? Because you know the scientific approach will help you.
Which faith is right? Islam? Christianity? They contradict each other, so they can't both be right. Yet each says it is the only Truth. Will the real god please stand up?
Actually, no, they don't. They're founded on the same faith and pray to the same God (The God of Israel is a part of the prayer every Muslim makes every day).
As for showing science works, you have proof empiricism provides actual benefits. You're still putting faith in it providing for you.
Lastly, proving that the grand cosmic entity we speak of creating natural laws, the basic proof is the existence of the universe. There is no proof besides that, short of traveling in time.
Hmm, interesting. No contradictions. So Islam teaches that Jesus is the Son of God who died for our sins? Some Moslems I know will be very surprised to learn that.
Next you'll tell me that Hinduism is in complete agreement with both Christianity and Islam. Funny, I don't recall reading about any six-armed gods in the Bible.
Let's sum up your "proof": The universe exists. Therefore an entity created its laws. Yes, that's excellent evidence and a very compelling argument. But I joke.
Actually about Islam and Christianity he's partially right, Islam is something like an offspring of christianity, But names and some laws are diferent, and they're getting more and more diferent, about all the other things I totaly agree with you.
That's true. Islam is related to Judaism and Christianity, and it considers Christians and Jews to be "People of the Book." But they're quite different in key areas, like whether Jesus is the Son of God, for example. Jews and Muslims completely reject that "Truth."
Then there are the gazillion other religions that are completely different but also think that they alone are right. Even within Christianity itself there have been shooting wars between denominations about what is the Truth.
Yes I know that, actually that was what I meant, but Those diferences aren't for me even nearly like those between christianity and budhism, or greek or egyptian or some natives or etc. You know how many there are. That's why I'm saying that he's partially right.
For answers to those questions, I suggest that you visit your friendly neighborhood public library and find a good introductory book on the subject of cosmology.
Look for books in the Dewey Decimal System section 113. That should get you started.
LOL, there is no answer to that with your world view. If there was you would say it. Anyways, I was talking to someone else. Not that you can't answer, but I think you and I have been here before.
Actually, there *are* theories about what happened before the big bang, where its energy is derived, and so on. But I don't have the character count here to give you the details.
If you are in fact interested in discovering what scientists think about such things--and aren't simply using these YouTube comments to spout your Christian propaganda--then check out the books in section 113 in your library. You'll find some interesting ideas there.
Guys, forgive me... None of us have proof of anything... but "What does proof mean to you" Physical evidence, a feeling you get, etc? Besides, what is proof without faith? Conciousness is too extraordinary to have been created by chance. Sorry, I was just upset; conflict involving this sensitive subject will do that. I suppose I just wish people could see what I've seen. I can relate why that might sound stubborn, but what I CAN tell you is this: Perspective means everything, seek for yourselves
not a god, God. Yeah it is a lot more logical that the sonar in bats or the 180 shutters in one human eye came from intelligence rather than an amoeba that spontaneously generated.
You believe the fairytale that a frog turned into a prince and you think you are more logical? That's funny.
Yes, tellnet, there are indeed a few of us here in the States carrying on the struggle for Reason and against Superstition.
But it's a lonely, costly struggle and we need your support. Act now: Send your spare punts and pounds to the address on your screen. With your help we can defeat American gullibility and moronity.
Will do. Given the precipitous decline of the U.S. dollar, that's likely to be a favorable exchange for me. Lately I'm folding up hundred-dollar bills and sticking them under the legs of tables to level them.
Thanks for all of your wonderful comments. A welcome contrast to the usual religious nuttery, and much appreciated.
How could Scientists recover a T. rex dinosaur bone with soft tissue How can a supposedly 70 "million year" -old fossil yield preserved cells and blood vessels?
How could Scientists recover a T. rex dinosaur bone with soft tissue How can a supposedly 70 "million year" -old fossil yield preserved cells and blood vessels?
You spoke too soon, N4TH4NJ4Y. After the relatively sensible comment from Revigoe7, now we're back to the religious nuttery of johnreon. Oh well. This video sure does attract 'em, eh?
You need look no father than the DNA of man to find the oldest living artifact proving intelligent design... That is fact and modern science has proven this to be a truth...
Human or any other living DNA could not have come from evolution or natural selection...
God created man in his own image... Truth and Fact...
In addition to the theory of evolution, meaning the idea of descent with modification, one may also speak of the fact of evolution. The NAS defines a fact as "an observation that has been repeatedly confirmed and for all practical purposes is accepted as 'true.'" The fossil record and abundant other evidence testify that organisms have evolved through time. Although no one observed those transformations, the indirect evidence is clear, unambiguous and compelling.
god is a contagious delusion responsible for more evil than any other human concept, misconcept or group of consentual actions however inspired, conspired or instigated... The probability of there being a 'god' as defined by religion is so slim as to be unworthy of any intellectual consideration... A belief in such is no more than a manifestation of the frailty of our existence and ignorance... And Americans are educated to be ignorant...
blah blah blah, lots of opinions you have there. I just hope you realize that. What is the probability of there being a God as religion defines Him? You apparently know it, please share it. What are the chances life birthed itself?
Good Golly Miss Dolly... Please elucidate... "Odds for Jesus rising from the dead: He did Odds for evolution: Adam and Eve disprove that, so zero" Wow oh wow.. Evidence please... ? Oooops... Silly silly me again.... .. Just believe ANY old shite... (Read Biblical Fairy Tales) .. And call it 'religion'... .. And George Bush will kiss your donkey... (if he can extract himself from Ted Haggard) Mighty Shite..
"There is a moral or metaphysical part of nature as well as a physical. A man who denies this is deep in the mire of folly." Adam Sedgwick, Darwin's mentor
Oh I love the hatred towards religion and Americans. Shows a sheer lack of reason and you are clearly driven by something outside of yourself that you cannot control. How is stating the things you state in anyway intellectual. I think you are jealous of Americans and you parrot Richards Dawkins, one person I believe will recant his atheism.
I must promptly and immediately apologise for presuming some form of cranial activity within the depths of your obviously obviated orificial omniscience...
When the need to attack people personally enters into a debate, this is usually evidence someone is scared and threatened, that is according to the theory of evolution.
I don't think atheists are evil. I don't think you are evil. I think you are judgmental and prejudice which is a terrible quality. Why is it that it is okay to attack people and judge them based on religion, but not on color or ethnicity. It is the same thing, but for some reason people think Christians are fair game on attacks. I too am sympathetic to the confused atheist, unless they attack me, I don't cower, I make them like me.
Grace, I run a number of businesses. I go out of my way to treat any and all individuals as equal. I was born into a 'Catholic' family, in an obnoxiously repressive religiously dominated society. I had the fortitude, and ability to overcome such.. It took many years... And a lot of pain... To overcome the prejudice, the narrowmindedness of the religiously ignorant... Fortunately such is now a minority here now.. Unfortunately such is now a majority where you are now..
I flippen Love it!
Bridgeknapek 4 months ago
I love this video, best love song ever.
Yotsimo 10 months ago
Which version of Creation in the Bible do you like best?
Genesis Chapter ONE,
in which humans were created AFTER plants and animals?
Or chapter TWO, in which man was created BEFORE plants and animals?
Chapter ONE,
in which man and woman were created at the same time?
Or chapter TWO,
in which man was created before the plants
and woman was created after the animals?
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
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2knowfun2 1 year ago
@2knowfun2 Bullshit, I was on your channel and I didn't see shit about the universe.
LAMCL23 1 year ago
XReflection - God is without causality, no beginning and no end. Those of you who deny God in essence believe the same thing about your godless big bang - think about it.
God is Love, Love is Real and God has invested all authority in Jesus. What you believe has no bearing on that reality, that reality supercedes your beliefs. The bottom line is you don't know Who you are missing.
Search utube for 'finger of god'
Search utube for 'nde'
bassomanvfr 2 years ago
Bassomanvfr, you say god is without cause and beginning, and he created the universe. But why not just say that the UNIVERSE is without cause and beginning, and leave out the whole "god created" step?
It's simpler, and it explains the observations equally well. Therefore, according to the principle of "Occam's Razor" (look it up), the godless theory is superior.
As you say, "What you believe has no bearing on that reality." The bottom line is YOU don't know what YOU are missing: EVIDENCE.
cjeffrey6 2 years ago
@bassomanvfr
There is no god you poor sheep.
I believe more in the scenario that aliens breeded humans than that god created us.
indalecio21 2 years ago 2
In the voice of Yoda: "So certain are you, hmm..."
Jesus is returning, as is clearly prophesied...just as was his first coming.
The fool has said in his heart "There is no God." Psalm 14:1
You don't know whom you are missing.
bassomanvfr 2 years ago
@bassomanvfr
Ok ok ok.You sit and wait for Jesus.I am going and live my life.
indalecio21 2 years ago
Well in that case its the unexplained, we shall never know. Scientists can only discover so much.
Prozspect0 2 years ago
What people dont understand is thats God is a scientist.
Prozspect0 2 years ago
That's great, because 93% of scientists are non-believers. If God is a scientist too, maybe he'll give them a break and let them into heaven anyway, instead of burning them in hell for all eternity.
cjeffrey6 2 years ago
God is the ultimate scientists, what scientists are discovering is what god created. If your put somewere long enough you gonna observe your habitat your surroundings.
Prozspect0 2 years ago
What scientists are discovering is that you DON'T NEED a God to explain who we are, where we are, why we are here, and how we got here. Natural processes alone are sufficient.
Couple the fact that no God is needed to explain stuff with the fact that there's NO EVIDENCE for a God, and you end up with no reason to believe that God exists. This assumes that you think it's important to have reasons and evidence to back up your beliefs. I do. That's why I don't believe in your God or anyone else's.
cjeffrey6 2 years ago 2
What Evidence do scientists have? evidence that god basically put there? Like I stated before scientists are only discovering what god has created. Take a moment to look at your self your hands, your eyes, your fingers. The reason you are able to walk. Its all man made by an superior creator. There is no way something can just appear out of no were.
Prozspect0 2 years ago
Prozspect0, the 500 characters allowed per YouTube comment are not enough for me to give you lessons in the sciences. Read, go to school, and learn something about your universe.
Those scientific explanations I mentioned earlier, about who and why we are, and where, and how we got here, are based on scientific observations, on EVIDENCE -- astronomical, geological, biological, chemical.
The story in this video tells how we got here, from the beginning to time until now, based on that evidence.
cjeffrey6 2 years ago
@Prozspect0 What you dont understand is that there is no evidence whatsoever on what you say
madoo87 2 years ago 2
Scienctists are idiots in my eyes, its an creation if an atom created the earth, then who created the atom? its the biggest question.
Prozspect0 2 years ago
Its not the biggest question. No one created the atoms. Atoms were created by energy through the famous equation E = mc^2 (im sure you know)
madoo87 2 years ago 2
And what does energy consist of? how was energy put here on earth?
Prozspect0 2 years ago
Right now the best explaination is that energy consists of string particles (not fully supported yet) that vibrate at different frequencies to create different form of energy, forces, matter, etc. It is currently unknown how this energy came to existance (or if it is created even) but this energy is put on earth through expansion by big bang. Physicists would eventually figure out the unknowns as they always have
madoo87 2 years ago
Prozpect0, educate yourself about these questions, if you plan to argue about them.
What we know is that about 14 billion years ago, all the mass and energy in the observable universe were compressed into a very, very small volume at a very, very high temperature. It then expanded rapidly and cooled down. It's still expanding and cooling.
Where did that mass/energy come from? Don't know. But where did your God come from? You don't know. There no sense explaining one mystery by using another.
cjeffrey6 2 years ago
Its all a mystery, scientists have evidence for one situation but cant explian the other. It goes both ways as you mentioned.
Prozspect0 2 years ago
It's not ALL a mystery. From that moment 14 billion years ago until now, we have a good understanding of what happened, as put to song in this video. The lyrics are quite accurate -- you can learn something from them if you pay attention.
We understand how stars and galaxies formed; how our solar system with Earth and the other planets formed; the forces that shape our world; and how life evolved over time into the many species we see today, including humans. No gods are needed in that story.
cjeffrey6 2 years ago
If you use that argument, then you can go as far as to say how was "God" put in the position he is in? Did he just magically appear? Where are his origins?
XReflection 2 years ago 4
@XReflection I am a christian, but I like making it even by saying that God created the big bang and then let it evolve.
commanderlucifer 1 year ago
The greatest irony of this vid is that this guy probably has never had a gf. (If you watch it to the end, you'll get the joke.)
SuperCatTheShow 2 years ago
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What a depressing outlook. The fact is, nobody can prove how it all began. Even in your theory you fail to state where the first matter came from. You can't make something from nothing. Suppose your view of things is correct. As a Christian I will live a full life of faith, hope, love and purpose, and if I'm wrong at the end will be none the wiser. However if I am right and you are wrong, your eternal outlook is much bleaker. I'll choose Jesus. All this immense complexity just happened..right...
naptimezzz 2 years ago
I think it's an outlook full of wonder and great beauty.
And unlike Christianity, it has the virtue of being true.
cjeffrey6 2 years ago
It has the virtue of being true. Wow that is sad. Look at what you believe, you think inanimate things without the capability of organizing their selves some how got to where we are now. Why don't you look into the geologic time column and how they got those ridiculous dates.You will find that your theory isn't on such solid ground like you thought it was. A little thing called circular reasoning.
Christarchist777 2 years ago
I know that as a christian you don't know any better, but there doesn't have to be a beginning to the universe. It might have just always been there. But who cares about that, christians still believe in talking snakes and men that live in fish! Luckily intellectualism is taking off. Soon we will finally be rid of these dangerous religions that make people mentally handicapped.
scarredqatsi 2 years ago 6
Actually there does have to be a beginning, you can't say that the universe always was, that contradicts itself. The passing of time is what brought us to this point. If you are correct, then there is no passing of time, because you say the universe was always there, so there is no measurement of anything, which would make everything infinite. Well that doesn't work because we all know time is passing and the universe is unwinding.
Christarchist777 2 years ago
krikey so many debates on one video, i'd love to joing in but i know i'll get too caught up in it and get carried away. this song is excellent, well done x
cullensaquarium 3 years ago
I love this song and it was very popular in SAIC in Chicago art school but if u Jeff have more time, write your text, lyrics of this song, is awesome music, thank u
Persitv2 3 years ago 2
"Creationists"/"IDers" can look at all the information, and simply deny that it was without intelligent conception. I find it hard to believe that it was done without a concept myself, as a former atheist, and can say it with confidence.
EnemyoftheDevil 3 years ago
Creationist, IDer, former atheist, future atheist--what's really important is, do you have any evidence for your explanation of how we got here?
My lyrics in this vid DO reflect the evidence gathered so far. Accept the evidence or reject the evidence. It doesn't matter to me. But the Big Bang-to-now lyrical trajectory in "Be Mine" is what the FACTS of cosmic and biological evolution show us.
And the song is really science in the service of love, because "Be Mine" is mainly a love song.
- Jeff
cjeffrey6 3 years ago
One additional comment about evidence, EnemyoftheDevil. Your difficulty believing that "it" was done "without a concept" is NOT evidence for "it" having been done "with a concept." If you know what I mean.
And you might want to verify this in your favorite logic textbook, but I'm pretty sure that "Proof by Lack of Imagination" is not considered a valid sort of proof.
cjeffrey6 3 years ago
No it's not "evidence." It's logic, and from the science given to me so far, I haven't heard anything good enough yet.
It is evidence with the similar effect of evolution such as "you are looking at the results from God." Every law, and just enough is right to create our kind of life. And much of creation seems pretty orderly.
It's a scale to balance.
To understand my thinking, the unanswered questions are as important, if not more than, the answered ones, depending on how heavy it is.
EnemyoftheDevil 3 years ago
I don't see your evidence or your logic, to be quite honest.
For example, you state that "every law is just right for life." Does that mean that "every law" could be some OTHER way? Prove it!
Could a proton have a DIFFERENT mass? An electron a DIFFERENT charge? Feel free to share your knowledge of how and why physical constants have the values they do.
How many other universes have you looked at, where "every law" is different? (Drug-induced space travel doesn't count.)
Very heavy, dude.
cjeffrey6 3 years ago
Rushed Typo mistake. Every law of the universe is intelligent. And with microbes/micro-organisms, we have just enough to have life like us. And I think it's conceptualized.
If not, then why are we here? Why is anything here?
The idea of law is intelligent.
EnemyoftheDevil 3 years ago
You asked, "Why are we here? Why is anything here?"
Biology offers an answer to the first question. As Richard Dawkins put it, we are "survival machines" for our genes.
The 2nd question may be invalid. It treats "anything"--the universe--like it's just A Thing.
You can ask, "Why is that chair here?" and there's an answer: It's there to give you a place to rest your butt.
But the universe isn't like a chair or any other thing. It's a universe. A space-time continuum. And we know of only one.
cjeffrey6 3 years ago
That doesn't explain why we are here. As there is no intelligence in the beginning. Intelligence is a myth. Flaw is a myth.
And still, "why should anything be here?"
EnemyoftheDevil 3 years ago
Hey, I'm just telling you the facts. If you don't want to accept them, that's your choice.
But as far as why we are here, it's all about the replicators, man. Which in our case are our genes. Read "The Selfish Gene" for details.
Asking "Why the universe?" may be an invalid and/or silly question. Back in the middle ages, serious scholars debated how many angels could dance on the head of a pin. Your question seems like their question. The universe may simply NOT HAVE a "why." Live with it.
cjeffrey6 3 years ago
Facts?
Since "why" exists, and is paramount in science.. I will continue to ask that question, since we as a species have discovered the question. It can be chosen to deny the question, but I consider it too important. And a good one.
I will read "The Selfish Gene" thanks for the recommendation. Some intelligent *secular* science-minded people have told me genes themselves are not intelligent.
Could someone be an alcoholic if alcohol was never in the persons time?
EnemyoftheDevil 3 years ago
Could someone be an alcoholic if alcohol was unknown at the time? Perhaps. But could someone be an alcoholic if the alcohol molecule ITSELF were chemically impossible? Magic 8 Ball says, "Ask again later."
Science asks "how" rather than "why" (e.g., how do stars turn lighter elements into heavier ones?). It looks at physical relationships (e.g., force equal mass times acceleration). Science examines how much we can know about something (e.g., Heisenberg uncertainty principle).
How, not why.
cjeffrey6 3 years ago
Good point. My question: How did the big bang initiate? How did the universe become so wonderfully put together? How did other elements come out of nowhere when they were not present at the big bang? How did this microscopic dust thing manage to have the power to thrust us to where we are, and keep expanding? How did, if all that happened, perfectly content molecules and mud puddles go against all odds and become life? And at that keep progressing against the law of entropy. Tooooooo many holes.
Christarchist777 2 years ago
It's very simple. The story of the universe as summarized in this video is what the EVIDENCE shows is true.
Christarchist777, you asked a lot of "how's" in this comment and in your previous two comments. The answers are available for you if you truly are interested. You can find those answers at your local library, in the science section. Spend some time there and become scientifically literate. That is, if you really do want to know the truth.
cjeffrey6 2 years ago
The thing is though, the general belief in science ever since darwin has been that of absolutley no absolutes, he even said it himself. Somthing like, Truth is only what is generally accepted and is contingent on what man finds. Think about it, they have changed the supposed age of the earth to fit all the needed time for organisms to evolve I would say more than 4 times in the last 10 years. It's always different depending on who you are talking to. That isn't truth.
Christarchist777 2 years ago
You are completely misinformed, Christarchist. No recent revisions of Earth/s age for evolution, and that age is NOT "always different."
But you are right that there are no absolutes. How could there be? We're still discovering how the universe works. The great thing about science is that the theories must fit the observations. As new facts are discovered, the theories may be improved. Perfect, unchanging truth? No. But science is the ONLY way to find the truth, whatever that turns out to be.
cjeffrey6 2 years ago
Maybe I was, but I here a different age from different people all of the time. My question is how can't there be absolutes? Absolutes are what is. Science just tells us how those absolutes work. Just because the universe is expanding doesn't mean that it points to the big bang theory only. In the book of Isaiah it says God spreads the heavens out like a curtain, that also fits perfect with what we observe, and it has extra credibility because back then people new nothing about space expanding.
Christarchist777 2 years ago
I see what you mean. I think most scientists would agree with you that an "objective reality" exists "out there," and that they are discovering its laws and characteristics.
But science uses "inductive reasoning" (look it up) which is inherently uncertain. It's always possible that new observations will require us to revise our theories.
However, the fact that theories evolve is a GOOD thing: we improve our explanations as we gain new data. Unlike religion, which is unchanging, but wrong.
cjeffrey6 2 years ago
OK exactly, which means we don't define truth but find it.
So that leads us to real truth. What is it? How is it that every religion has something in common? Where did humans get these ideas for morality? How is it that Christianity makes one look down at his own ways and realize that every thing he does is wrong? Check out Mathew Chapters 5-7. All of it is impossible to do unless God comes into you and changes you. Truth is objective, which means we better search high and low for it.
Christarchist777 2 years ago
The world's religions and legal traditions have much in common with each other regarding what's right and what's wrong, because they are all codifying what we INSTINCTIVELY feel about morality. We have "moral genes" that guide our behavior, and religions and legal codes turn those instincts into commandments and laws. Other social animals possess similar "ethical" instincts. Morality is an evolved trait.
But in their creation stories, religions differ hugely, because they just made them up.
cjeffrey6 2 years ago
Legal traditions came from God. But I have never heard about moral genes, if you say genes make us moral then there really is no right or wrong because what if someones gets a genetic mutation to where they think murder is right? If that's what is true than it would definatley be able to hold up in a court of law. But no jury would pronounce some one Innocent if they said their Genes made them do it. No one can prove that. Every creation story except moses' talks about matteralways existing.
Christarchist777 2 years ago
Legal traditions came from God?? Does God make British jurists wear those powdered wigs? I always wondered where that tradition came from.
Seriously, though, there are many creation stories out there -- as many as there are cultures. Some of those creation stories are quite imaginative and lovely.
But the EVIDENCE supports the creation story in this video -- the creation story as revealed by science. All the other creation stories, including Genesis, are just lovely stories and nothing more.
cjeffrey6 2 years ago
Well there was nothing and BAM there came something, and then everything intellectually organized itself into complex systems that work together like a machine we could never imagine to comprehend let alone build. And to make it more complicated Life exists. I mean I guess inorganic materials just got bored just sitting there and decided they should form something utterly amazing to pass the time. Hm thats not even a lovely story. You did side step the Moral Genes, so did I with the powder wigs.
Christarchist777 2 years ago
Christarchist777, you might want to learn something about the Big Bang and evolution before you make fun of them.
But you're right, it's much more believable that a man lived inside a FISH for three days:
"Now the Lord had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights." -Jonah 1:17
"And the Lord spake unto the fish, and it vomited out Jonah upon the dry land." -Jonah 2:10
Yes, Christarchist777, that fish thing happened for sure.
cjeffrey6 2 years ago
Well I have been reading darwin's orgin of the species, but he clearly never tried to explain what made animals gain new characteristics that were passed on within the genome.
Jonah 2:6
To the roots of the mountains I sank down; the earth beneath barred me in forever. But you brought my life up from the pit, O LORD my God.
Good try, I used to think the same thing.. BUT this passage shows something that scientists did not discover until the 50's. Mountains in the ocean!
Christarchist777 2 years ago
We now know that random genetic mutations provide the variation. The environment provides the selection. Put them both together and voila! You get design WITHOUT a Designer. All natural like!
You still haven't explained that man-living-in-a-fish thing. And then there's Matthew 13:31,32, where the supposed all-knowing God (as Jesus) says: "... a grain of mustard seed ... is the smallest of all seeds...." But God was WRONG. The smallest seed is from an orchid and WAY smaller than mustard seed.
cjeffrey6 2 years ago
Actually the fact that mountains under the sea were recorded shows that Jonah had been in that whale and lived to write what he saw. CONTEXT CLUES!
Mark 4:31 "It is like a mustard seed, which is the smallest seed you plant in the ground." (NIV) He is talking about the smallest seeds the Jews used when they planted crops. That was an obvious assumption in the passage you quoted due to the fact that he previously mentioned 2 parables about the harvest.
Christarchist777 2 years ago
What, did the FISH have a porthole in its stomach so Jonah could enjoy the view? And did it have lights to illuminate the deep sea darkness? The Bible is so cool. But then I like all science fiction.
God/Jesus says in Matthew 13:32, plain as day, that the mustard seed is the SMALLEST of ALL seeds. Period. Which it isn't. Did God skip botany class at Heavenly U?
And then there's Luke 8:26-39, where Jesus cures an insane person by driving out his demons into pigs. Demons cause insanity? What?
cjeffrey6 2 years ago
Before we start arguing about different translations of Matthew 13:31,32, here it is in Young's LITERAL Translation: "Another simile he set before them, saying: 'The reign of the heavens is like to a grain of mustard, which a man having taken, did sow in his field, which LESS, indeed, is than ALL THE SEEDS, but when it may be grown, is greatest of the herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the heaven do come and rest in its branches.' [My emphasis]
Less than all the seeds? Wrong.
cjeffrey6 2 years ago
You don't understand I quoted Mark 4:31, not Mathew, Like I said Mathew's account must be assumed that Jesus is talking about plants that are planted, because Mark says that's what he said. He had to have said these parables more than once. Once again, but in Youngs Literal Translation Mark 4: 31As a grain of mustard, which, whenever it may be sown on the earth, is less than any of the seeds that are on the earth; Check out all the different translations, they clearly mean what I just said.
Christarchist777 2 years ago
But a grain of MUSTARD, which, whenever it may be sown on the Earth, is NOT less than any of the seeds that are on the Earth! That's the point. An ORCHID seed is less than any of the seeds that are on the Earth.
How did an all-knowing Creator -- who supposedly created BOTH seeds -- get that wrong?
The point is, you can't look to the Bible for science. It's definitely wrong in its botany. It's definitely wrong in its creation story. It's definitely wrong in its astronomy (see Joshua 10:12).
cjeffrey6 2 years ago
You must not have any tools to look up the original Greek language. Just so you know every Greek word in the bible has a Strong's Number, that way we can relate them to the English language.This is the word used for "Earth"G1093
Contracted from a primary word; soil; by extension a region, or the solid part or the whole of the terrene globe (including the occupants in each application): - country, earth (-ly), ground, land, world.
It does NOT mean earth as in the whole world. Ir just means soil.
Christarchist777 2 years ago
Should he have made a name for a seed no one knew of yet?
I am just assuming there were no orchids common to the people He was speaking to.
What kind of random genetic mutations actually are evidence of design without a designer. That's malarky to even make that claim. Because of natural selection and mutations you think there is no room for a designer? Not that simple, evolution is not that simple.
dollygracielou 2 years ago
If Jesus had said, "The smallest seed in the world belongs to this tropical plant that you don't even know about, that lives in a part of the world that you don't even know about," then THAT would be impressive. It might even have made me a believer.
But the Bible is never like that. It reflects the scientific ignorance of the people who wrote it They didn't know about orchids, so neither did the god they invented. But they knew about mustard seeds.
Now we know about orchids, and Big Bangs.
cjeffrey6 2 years ago 2
LOL. Sorry, but why would a parable about faith place more emphasis on a fact no one at that time would even recognize and probably just be confused by? He was speaking to our souls and hearts, not to a petri dish.
The people who wrote the bible I am sure were not scientists. There is some claims in there that would seem impossible at the time, but we know now through science it is very possible. Like a virgin birth, we know a virgin can give birth with invitro.
Big bang is shows God.
dollygracielou 2 years ago
The existence of creationism thinking in our age is truly a SHAME for our species. How can someone with brains deny such an obvious fact? Evolution DO exist, and there´s NO doubt about it.
joevicentini 3 years ago 2
1. Evolution "DOES" exist. Speciation, at the very least, cannot be denied.
2. Creationists acknowledge this, or some do, at least. You really need to read up on that.
Axelgear2006 3 years ago
-.-' respect evolution dumbshit
TraceurMikado 3 years ago
about religions and planets watch?v=4ieYpa8c9pk
SMTRS 3 years ago
This is how scientists propose to their future spouses.
smellincoffee 3 years ago 3
nerds
yourbabe4life 3 years ago
no those are super mega ultra nerds =D
v4r53k222 3 years ago
no those are super mega ultra nerds =D
v4r53k222 3 years ago
haha i know. but seriously..... i am not bothered its just a video but wow....you came to planet earth to annoy some people!
jambigirl 4 years ago
Hi again, jambigirl,
Actually, our 5 clorbs mission is to:
1) Explore strange new worlds
2) Seek out new life and new civilizations
3) Boldly go where no Xlzoid has gone before
4) Sing about the unlikely chain of events that brings two sentient life forms together, starting from the beginning of time.
Mission objective #4 appears to annoy some humanoids, especially those who refer to themselves as "Christians." We're not sure why!
Live long, prosper, and rock 'n' roll,
Dlastricoz aka "Jeff"
cjeffrey6 4 years ago 3
this shit gets on my nerves
jambigirl 4 years ago
Excellent. Our evil plan is working!
- Jeff
cjeffrey6 4 years ago
This video worries me TREMENDOUSLY. Science seems to have an answer for everything. You can only SPECULATE through science. Although evolution seems correct, it's a deceptive way to "disprove" God and trust me, this deception is overwhelmingly powerful. Had I not had God in my life, I would surely believe our existence can only be explained through science because I am passionate of science/deep physics myself. All I ask is to pray to God and ask Him in your heart.. you WILL begin to understand.
Kwasi5179 4 years ago
Kwasi, dude, there's no need for worry, tremendous or otherwise. Watch the vid. Listen to the words. It's really just a love song.
Cheers,
Jeff
cjeffrey6 4 years ago
Which god should I ask into my heart? And why that one?
bishop8000 3 years ago
God? This music video has no need of that hypothesis.
cjeffrey6 3 years ago
I know. I was responding to Kwasi5179's comment about asking god into your heart.
bishop8000 3 years ago
Brilliant. I'd buy this on disc or mp3 in a heartbeat. You and Mr. Coleman need to work out a way to distribute this. Pretty please.
itzprankish 4 years ago
hehe, nice done
leamese 4 years ago
cool
mo77mo77 4 years ago
awwosme
a7xrokker8 4 years ago
Oddly catchy song.
smaakjeks 4 years ago
Brilliant. I loved it.
snarlpatrick 4 years ago
lol this is great :-)
CaptainBaxter 4 years ago
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hhhhaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhaaaaaa evolution is soooooooooooo fake its funny when i see these loosers at school talkin about evolution
blondecat3 4 years ago
Uh, it's "losers," not "loosers," you loser!
cjeffrey6 4 years ago 3
yeah because it makes perfect sense that a (god) created all life in 7 days that is a lot more logical
PhilRyanBob 4 years ago 5
"Make sense?" Just because you (all the rest of us) cannot comprehend the Universe in the physical sense... you simply don't believe in God? And what do you think FAITH is? Don't be misguided.... read the Bible, and take just a ounce to believe..... if you have faith, it will grow
Kwasi5179 4 years ago
Ever read the bible as if it was a fictional story well if you did you would understand that it is just a book think of god as a main character in that book like a omniscient narator then you will see it was and is just a book that controls an organized cult of human beings
PhilRyanBob 4 years ago
Uh, what are you babbling about, Kwasi5179? Our understanding of the universe "in a physical sense" is excellent and improving all the time, thanks to science (and no thanks to the "science fiction" in the Bible). In fact, this very video is a concise summary of what we know about our trajectory from the Big Bang to the present. And unlike the Bible, "Be Mine" has the advantage of being true.
- Jeff
cjeffrey6 4 years ago 2
Now now, let's not go saying what is and isn't true. The realm of the supernatural is entirely personal, you can't prove or disprove it, so let people believe what they want, so long as it isn't harming society.
As for our understanding, it's limited at best. It grows better all the time, yes, but we've only a microcosm of what we can learn so far. This doesn't mean we know nothing, but we're still barely scraping the knowledge of the universe.
Axelgear2006 4 years ago
Hi Axelgear2006,
Let's not be too modest! At this point, we need to spend billions on Large Hadron Colliders to discover something we don't already know.
And as for "letting people believe what they want," please note that I didn't go to Kwasi's YouTube vid and comment on how misguided *he* is! Au contraire, mon frere! If Kwasi's beliefs are "entirely personal," then why is he preaching in the comments section of "Be Mine"? Answer me that!
Cheers,
Jeff
cjeffrey6 4 years ago
We don't need to be modest to admit we don't know that much. The supercolliders in development today are amazing signs of our accomplishment, but we are far from understanding more than a tiny fraction of all that there is to know. I'm sorry if my words were confusing.
And I apologize for him, it is wrong to try and force your beliefs on others. I'm Christian, but I do not demand or even suggest that others should be. I hope he hasn't damaged your views of those with religious beliefs.
Axelgear2006 4 years ago
Hi again, Axelgear2006,
Thanks for sharing your views. Indeed, I'm sure the universe holds surprises for us. We'd get pretty bored if it didn't!
And any scientific theory, however well supported by the evidence to date, is inherently tentative. What's great about the scientific process is that it's self-correcting and, over time, converges on the truth. This can't be said about unchanging faiths.
Finally, my views of the religious are already pretty jaded! A study of history will do that...
cjeffrey6 4 years ago
Well, it depends on the faith. I've done my own evaluating of my beliefs and of the Bible, as well as of several other beliefs, and it's from this I draw my beliefs, as well as natural observation (I.E. I accept evolution as a likely fact). I think you're confusing religion with faith: Religion is dogma, faith is personal belief.
I can understand if your views of faiths/religions are jaded, mine are too, but things like the Inquisition are over, and the age of acceptance has begun.
Axelgear2006 4 years ago
Those who dismiss the Scientific Method are free to create their own truths; what will always be impossible for them is to create their own FACTS.
thoughtwaretv 3 years ago 2
They don't create facts, though, they just interpret them differently.
Axelgear2006 3 years ago
Is there any evidence for the Creationist "interpretation"? Of course not--all the evidence points to evolution. That is precisely why scientists accept evolution, because science is based on evidence.
Creationism, in contrast, is based on somebody's say so: somebody long ago who said the Earth is 6,000 years old. Of course, we know now that they were wrong. But only by a few billion years!
Then there's "Intelligent Design." But who designed the Designer? Bit of a logical problem there, eh? Yup.
cjeffrey6 3 years ago
Obviously you don't know much about Creationists. They use the same evidence as other scientists to map their interpretation. They're not idiots... Mostly, anyway. As for Creationism, it's based on a flawed understanding of the Bible, in my opinion, but that doesn't mean these people are idiots who don't do their research. Lastly, suggesting "Who created God" is a bit stupid for anyone who suggests an eternally existing universe, as suggesting one is ludicrous does so to the other.
Axelgear2006 3 years ago
Creationism--and religion in general--does not arrive at its "truth" by looking at evidence. Rather, religion takes the position that truth is revealed through faith and sacred scripture.
This approach is flawed because there is no reason to believe that faith leads to truth. In fact, various faiths are mutually contradictory. Even Creationists can't agree among themselves.
Asking "who designed the Designer" reveals the logical flaw of infinite recursion at the root of Intelligent Design theory.
cjeffrey6 3 years ago 3
But suggesting "Who designed the Designer" would indicate that the Designer even needed someone to design them. They are, and have always been, by the reckoning of most religious groups.
Axelgear2006 3 years ago
Intelligent Design theory pretends to be "scientific" and conceals its religious character by avoiding explicit claims that the Designer is Jehovah or any other traditional deity (though IDers clearly think and imply it's Jehovah). So it's perfectly valid to ask "who designed the Designer." After all, if a bacterial flagellum needs a Designer to explain it, then doesn't something as complex as that Designer itself also need to be designed? And then who designed the Designer of the Designer, etc.
cjeffrey6 3 years ago
Yeah, but you shouldn't lump them together. Creationists and IDers are not one and the same. As for bacteria needing a designer, remember that we're talking of something that operates by natural laws and something that is exempt to them. Personally, I'm not a Creationist or an IDer, though, so I can't answer for them
Axelgear2006 3 years ago
IDers are simply sneaky Creationists. They admitted as much in federal court testimony in PA. The court finally decided that ID is Creationism, as you know.
How can something be "exempt from natural laws"? We learn about natural laws by observing the universe. If an observation casts doubt on our understanding of a natural "law," then scientists rethink the theory rather than declare a miracle occurred! E.g., relativity theory, quantum theory.
But Faith is forever stuck with its errors.
cjeffrey6 3 years ago 2
No, again, some IDers are Creationists and some Creationists are IDers but A != B because B is sometimes C. Understand? Some IDers aren't Creationists.
Now, as for exempt from natural laws, simple. It's the entity that created them. They obey them when they choose because overturning them would destroy them but anyway...
As for faith, you have faith that scientific interpretation of evidence is accurate. Faith is merely you placing your belief in something. That's what the word means.
Axelgear2006 3 years ago
Show me the evidence that an entity created "natural laws." Prove it.
You have evidence that science is valid all around you. It works. The computer you are using right now proves that science works. When you get sick, you go to a doctor, not to some faith healer. Why? Because you know the scientific approach will help you.
Which faith is right? Islam? Christianity? They contradict each other, so they can't both be right. Yet each says it is the only Truth. Will the real god please stand up?
cjeffrey6 3 years ago 3
Actually, no, they don't. They're founded on the same faith and pray to the same God (The God of Israel is a part of the prayer every Muslim makes every day).
As for showing science works, you have proof empiricism provides actual benefits. You're still putting faith in it providing for you.
Lastly, proving that the grand cosmic entity we speak of creating natural laws, the basic proof is the existence of the universe. There is no proof besides that, short of traveling in time.
Axelgear2006 3 years ago
Hmm, interesting. No contradictions. So Islam teaches that Jesus is the Son of God who died for our sins? Some Moslems I know will be very surprised to learn that.
Next you'll tell me that Hinduism is in complete agreement with both Christianity and Islam. Funny, I don't recall reading about any six-armed gods in the Bible.
Let's sum up your "proof": The universe exists. Therefore an entity created its laws. Yes, that's excellent evidence and a very compelling argument. But I joke.
cjeffrey6 3 years ago 3
Actually about Islam and Christianity he's partially right, Islam is something like an offspring of christianity, But names and some laws are diferent, and they're getting more and more diferent, about all the other things I totaly agree with you.
nomineZERO 3 years ago
That's true. Islam is related to Judaism and Christianity, and it considers Christians and Jews to be "People of the Book." But they're quite different in key areas, like whether Jesus is the Son of God, for example. Jews and Muslims completely reject that "Truth."
Then there are the gazillion other religions that are completely different but also think that they alone are right. Even within Christianity itself there have been shooting wars between denominations about what is the Truth.
cjeffrey6 3 years ago
Yes I know that, actually that was what I meant, but Those diferences aren't for me even nearly like those between christianity and budhism, or greek or egyptian or some natives or etc. You know how many there are. That's why I'm saying that he's partially right.
nomineZERO 3 years ago
Wow. What was b4 the big bang? What created matter? What created the energy to cause the big bang? Hmmmmmm.
dollygracielou 3 years ago
Hi Dolly,
For answers to those questions, I suggest that you visit your friendly neighborhood public library and find a good introductory book on the subject of cosmology.
Look for books in the Dewey Decimal System section 113. That should get you started.
Cheers,
Jeff
cjeffrey6 3 years ago
LOL, there is no answer to that with your world view. If there was you would say it. Anyways, I was talking to someone else. Not that you can't answer, but I think you and I have been here before.
dollygracielou 3 years ago
Hi again,
Actually, there *are* theories about what happened before the big bang, where its energy is derived, and so on. But I don't have the character count here to give you the details.
If you are in fact interested in discovering what scientists think about such things--and aren't simply using these YouTube comments to spout your Christian propaganda--then check out the books in section 113 in your library. You'll find some interesting ideas there.
-Jeff
cjeffrey6 3 years ago
stop preaching!
chrisbristow 4 years ago
Guys, forgive me... None of us have proof of anything... but "What does proof mean to you" Physical evidence, a feeling you get, etc? Besides, what is proof without faith? Conciousness is too extraordinary to have been created by chance. Sorry, I was just upset; conflict involving this sensitive subject will do that. I suppose I just wish people could see what I've seen. I can relate why that might sound stubborn, but what I CAN tell you is this: Perspective means everything, seek for yourselves
Kwasi5179 4 years ago
Having faith, in any context you put it, is not wanting to know the truth
thoughtwaretv 3 years ago
not a god, God. Yeah it is a lot more logical that the sonar in bats or the 180 shutters in one human eye came from intelligence rather than an amoeba that spontaneously generated.
You believe the fairytale that a frog turned into a prince and you think you are more logical? That's funny.
dollygracielou 3 years ago
Wow call me a nerd but I cant get enough of this song. Anyone know how I could get it on my MP3 player?
Dwarvenhunter 4 years ago
omg its propellarhead or not ?
simple work dude :(
HamannM20 4 years ago
i dont know what that question means
N4TH4NJ4Y 4 years ago
All that and it's just a love song?!
21chuck 4 years ago
From Gracie (dollygracielou):
>Do you think when the big bang happened
>the universe wasn't there yet, or did the
>universe come with the big bang, or was the >universe there and then the big bang?
In a word, yes.
cjeffrey6 4 years ago
Well which one is it?
dollygracielou 4 years ago
Jeff..
Might be worthwhile, for christmas, to look back on the comments here...
Reckon you might just enjoy Golly-Gracey-Lolly-Dolly...
tellnet 4 years ago
drugs are bad
mmmmmkay?
oniki2 4 years ago
dude what do u smoke i want some
zakutia 4 years ago
ZOMG! I've never had so much fun learning about the origins of the Universe!
BE MINE!!
weeeezzll 4 years ago 2
great video and music!!!
pachecosita 4 years ago
Thanks, Nathan!
Yes, tellnet, there are indeed a few of us here in the States carrying on the struggle for Reason and against Superstition.
But it's a lonely, costly struggle and we need your support. Act now: Send your spare punts and pounds to the address on your screen. With your help we can defeat American gullibility and moronity.
Yours truly,
Jeff Coleman
cjeffrey6 4 years ago
Jeffrey C:
Of course, I shall send bundles of wads..
Cannot see the address...
Write it on the back of a 100 dollar bill and send to:
Tellnet
Glebe Street
Ballinrobe
Co. Mayo
Ireland
Thanks.
tellnet 4 years ago
Hi Tellnet,
Will do. Given the precipitous decline of the U.S. dollar, that's likely to be a favorable exchange for me. Lately I'm folding up hundred-dollar bills and sticking them under the legs of tables to level them.
Thanks for all of your wonderful comments. A welcome contrast to the usual religious nuttery, and much appreciated.
Cheers,
Jeff
cjeffrey6 4 years ago
LOL, you are a religious organization!
dollygracielou 4 years ago
Thank you Grace, ma cherie, and you are equally disengenuously disorganised ...
tellnet 4 years ago
That's what I told the tax collector but he wouldn't believe me!
cjeffrey6 4 years ago
How could Scientists recover a T. rex dinosaur bone with soft tissue How can a supposedly 70 "million year" -old fossil yield preserved cells and blood vessels?
TruthIsTruth01 4 years ago
How could Scientists recover a T. rex dinosaur bone with soft tissue How can a supposedly 70 "million year" -old fossil yield preserved cells and blood vessels?
TruthIsTruth01 4 years ago
True dat.
If these Creationists have something to say, why don't they leave "Be Mine" alone and write their *own* song and make their *own* music video?
Oh wait, I know why: because they would suck.
cjeffrey6 4 years ago
You spoke too soon, N4TH4NJ4Y. After the relatively sensible comment from Revigoe7, now we're back to the religious nuttery of johnreon. Oh well. This video sure does attract 'em, eh?
cjeffrey6 4 years ago
and no one comments on the song and its sentiments! just going on about make believe. I wish Richard Dawkings would read some of these comments...
N4TH4NJ4Y 4 years ago
Nathan, nice to see a sensible, rational & scientific approach to reality.
Expect no surprises from the US...
Here's a stinger I regularly prod with:
"Man created god ..
...And America patented gullibility, refined moronity, relinquished trust to a delusion and thrives on ignorance."
I lived in Birmingham for a year - 32 years ago !!
tellnet 4 years ago
Nath..
Might be worthwhile, for christmas, to look back on the comments here...
REckon you might just enjoy Golly-Gracey-Lolly-Dolly...
tellnet 4 years ago
You need look no father than the DNA of man to find the oldest living artifact proving intelligent design... That is fact and modern science has proven this to be a truth...
Human or any other living DNA could not have come from evolution or natural selection...
God created man in his own image... Truth and Fact...
johnreon 4 years ago
In addition to the theory of evolution, meaning the idea of descent with modification, one may also speak of the fact of evolution. The NAS defines a fact as "an observation that has been repeatedly confirmed and for all practical purposes is accepted as 'true.'" The fossil record and abundant other evidence testify that organisms have evolved through time. Although no one observed those transformations, the indirect evidence is clear, unambiguous and compelling.
tellnet 4 years ago
god is a contagious delusion responsible for more evil than any other human concept, misconcept or group of consentual actions however inspired, conspired or instigated... The probability of there being a 'god' as defined by religion is so slim as to be unworthy of any intellectual consideration... A belief in such is no more than a manifestation of the frailty of our existence and ignorance... And Americans are educated to be ignorant...
tellnet 4 years ago
Cheers for the comments Tellnet.
This song was written by an American, so they have sensible, rational & scientific members of their population too :)
N4TH4NJ4Y 4 years ago
blah blah blah, lots of opinions you have there. I just hope you realize that. What is the probability of there being a God as religion defines Him? You apparently know it, please share it. What are the chances life birthed itself?
dollygracielou 4 years ago
Grace:
Odds for a 'god':
Infinitely nearer to zero than 1.
Chances life 'birthed itself':
Exactly 1.. (Whatever about you, I am alive)
tellnet 4 years ago
You sound so dogmatic. What if Christians argued that way?
Odds for Jesus rising from the dead: He did
Odds for evolution: Adam and Eve disprove that, so zero!
Happy Day!
Whatever you say, what's the name of your religion?
dollygracielou 4 years ago
Grace3...
Odds for Jesus rising from the dead ??
ZERO... he/she did NOT..
Adam & Eve ?
... Same as Santa Claus..,
Happy ChristNotMas...
tellnet 4 years ago
tellnet 4 years ago
"There is a moral or metaphysical part of nature as well as a physical. A man who denies this is deep in the mire of folly." Adam Sedgwick, Darwin's mentor
dollygracielou 4 years ago
dollygracielou:
You said...
"There is a moral or metaphysical part of nature as well as a physical. A man who denies this is deep in the mire of folly."
Wonderfully true observation...
So what....
Just because we are solely molecular does not retract from our right to be ignorant ..
tellnet 4 years ago
well, with the video as we see it, which you seem to support fully, how can you accoutn for that?
dollygracielou 4 years ago
Gracie, ma cherie:
Odds of 'god':
Infinitely nearer to 0 than 1.
Odds of abiogenesis:
Exactly 1... We are alive... Hooray !
tellnet 4 years ago
Oh I love the hatred towards religion and Americans. Shows a sheer lack of reason and you are clearly driven by something outside of yourself that you cannot control. How is stating the things you state in anyway intellectual. I think you are jealous of Americans and you parrot Richards Dawkins, one person I believe will recant his atheism.
dollygracielou 4 years ago
Grace...
Such an eloquently lucid response..
I must promptly and immediately apologise for presuming some form of cranial activity within the depths of your obviously obviated orificial omniscience...
Happy Jesusmas....
tellnet 4 years ago
When the need to attack people personally enters into a debate, this is usually evidence someone is scared and threatened, that is according to the theory of evolution.
Merry Christmas!
dollygracielou 4 years ago
Grace..
Ugggh..
Why then do you attack such an endearing individual such as self...
Ah sure, an evil atheist such as self always harbours a level of forgiveness for deistic heathens such as yourself..
tellnet 4 years ago
I don't think atheists are evil. I don't think you are evil. I think you are judgmental and prejudice which is a terrible quality. Why is it that it is okay to attack people and judge them based on religion, but not on color or ethnicity. It is the same thing, but for some reason people think Christians are fair game on attacks. I too am sympathetic to the confused atheist, unless they attack me, I don't cower, I make them like me.
dollygracielou 4 years ago
tellnet 4 years ago