I always tip so does my dad and alot of my family but once my cousin bought me lunch at a restaurant, he did not tip and then he told me that food servers do not deserve tips and that he never tips ANY1(cheap asshole)
I didnt pay anything and had $0 on me but i still called him an asshole for it.
I dont think i tip that much only like 10% but i always tip that amount unless they really did a good job then i give more
im a great tipper. im not afraid to tip 20, 30, 40% if the service is good. but if there are two tables in the restaurant and i have to wait more than five minutes for anything other that food the server probably isnt going to get much if anything. they get what they earn with me. but i also know if its standing room only i dont expect to get immediate attention so i dont factor that into my tip.
@jawbone83 but by no means does that mean that i feel obligated to tip at all. if they arent doing their job, im not going to pay them. and if they dont feel like they are making enough money, they will find another job.
@jawbone83 I never said tipping is a horrible system. I just said I don't appreciate it when I didn't get tipped. I stayed on my toes and did whatever I could to please my customers, and it's partly because I depended on them for money.
You have clearly demonstrated that in places like Chicago anyone with a conscience should tip.
It's quite sad that waiters are not always covered by minimum wage laws. I would much prefer that waiters get a decent wage and wouldn't rely on tips like beggars.
ANY educated American knows that gratuity is mandatory in all but the most extreme circumstances of server negligence, and even then the staffing at the restaurant must be considered. What bothers me *very* much is that the gratuity is based on the cost of the meal. I don't agree with this at all. Gratuity should be based on the services provided. I think a server works just as hard--if not harder--at a Denny's or some other cheaper restaurant than they do at the fanciest restaurant in town.
Regardless of how much you get paid as hourly wage, no person is obligated in the least to care. A homeless vietnam veteran depends on the kindness of strangers to pay for their daily meals. This is socially understood and accepted. How many people out of 10 that pass him by on the street actually stop to even look him in the eye, let alone spare a lousy dime?
@c00lwatter You aren't asking the homeless guy to do tricks first, are you? If you ask him to do something, complain about the quality of the tricks he does, and then not pay, you ARE A JERK.
The homeless guy metaphor is not a good one anyway, because it ignores the fact that you choose to utilize the underpaid service industry when you go to a restaurant.
Choosing to utilize a service regardless of the type of service creates NO precedent as to what the people providing the service should expect of YOU. This is simply because there is no tangible obligation (e.g. punishment) associated with not caring or doing that merits concern. The kind of jerk you are is IRRELEVANT.
As there is a reason I used homeless "VIETNAM VET" and not homeless "GUY", I would ask of you to read further into the VA.
@c00lwatter I don't know, I've never been a panhandler, but as a waitress I carried around a shit load of cash all the time and I was quite generous. I gave money to whoever was polite and not pushy.
Somebody who goes out and doesn't leave a tip because of what they think is "poor" or slow service are usually the type of person whose expectations are higher than heaven and cannot be pleased lest the wait staff buff and wax their car while makin sure their ice water is topped off.
its good karma, people should have the mindset that if they go to a restaurant with service, their meal is going to be another $2-3 a plate because of the need to tip the waiter/waitress. If you don't want to tip, get carry out and deal with your own dishes.
@TrooperCX Ah, here's where it get's tricky. Restaurants are all a little different, but when a server at Clarkes took a carryout order, they were still expected to tip the busboys out 4%. A lot of people declined to tip for carryout, even though the server was the one packing their food and bringing it over. So you generally lost 4% for every carryout order you took. I always tip 20% for carryout orders. The servers are always really greatfull.
Tips being "expected" does not mean mandatory. The federal government expects tips to be given based on past statistics, but they aren't demanded. If, in fact, tips were meant to be mandatory, Congress or the states would've passed laws making it mandatory to pay gratuity. You chose to work for slave wages, and the responsibility for that only falls upon you. Furthermore, if your $4.50/hr + tips AFTER tipping out don't equal $7.25/hr, your employer MUST make up the difference...from the FLSA.
@MelkorHimself that's why I said in the description that tipping is only optional if you're a jerk.
If you think the restaurant gives a fuck about how much I brought home, you're wrong. They get reported to the BBB constantly..... from my own personal experience.
How the fuck do you have 20 thumbs up if only 18 people have watched this video? I feel like you're cheating. Knock it off. If you have to cheat, perhaps your position isn't as noble as you think.
@itinkuno Tipping is optional regardless of personality, and your argument is fallacious because it assumes without any logical reasoning. If your restaurant doesn't care how much you bring home, why the hell are you still working for it? Again, take some responsibility for the choices you've made and stop expecting people pay your mortgage. You can always work at a fast food joint where you're guaranteed a steady paycheck, or you can find a better job based on your education level.
@MelkorHimself What you're assuming is that life is fair. Restaurant servers are not leeching off of you. If everyone got to choose whatever job they want, we wouldnt have any janitors or servers or cleaning people. Regardless of what you clearly think, people do not always end up in that sort of job due to bad choices or laziness; those jobs are not easier. Your "social darwinism" argument that insists people "take responsibility" is ignorant.
@curbsideprophetlz Even if you end up with a job you don't like, you still choose whether or not you take it. You take a job knowing its privileges and shortfalls, and no matter which one you select, you do so willingly. Therefore, you can't complain if you get screwed over as a result of the profession you've chosen. Today I was blessed with a rare short work day, but normally a work day on a frigate is 10-12 hours. I also don't get paid much for what I do, but I believe in selfless service.
@MelkorHimself I took the first job I found out of college to hold me over. I was aware that most of my income would come from customers. Most of my customers were also aware. From what I understand, you're basically saying that I didn't deserve to get paid more than my hourly wage, which I just proved to you was under $1/hour. Am I wrong? Do you really think servers are being greedy because they expect to get paid for what they do? Do you not understand what a fallacy is?
@itinkuno If you think arguing with me or anyone who thinks similarly changes anything, it doesn't. Complaining about what you get paid to the customers or potential customers doesn't sway people to your cause. You're missing the real issue, which is the fact that you're allowing your employer and the federal government to give you less than your worth. If you want to see a meaningful change, you need to organize against the government or unionize against your employer(s).
@MelkorHimself once again, I seriously doubt you got two thumbs up for that. Most people have had to work jobs like this, even if it was just in high school.
Also, if half of your coworkers are illegal immigrants, unionizing is not an option. And, no, I'm not going to call immigration and rat out my FRIENDS who work their asses off to feed their families in Mexico. I know multiple people who reported the restaurant to the BBB for various reasons. The BBB never did anything.
@itinkuno From the comment I'm replying to, it seems that you acknowledge that it's not the customers' fault that waitresses and whatnot make such horrible base wages. Forgive me if I'm jumping to a conclusion, but that's what I get from it.
Anyway, here's what I have a problem with. If my above assumption is correct, then you acknowledge that the lawmakers and restaurant owners are responsible for screwing over waitresses by paying them < minimum wage. [Continued]
@NotGodJustMoses However, when presented with a solution that involves demanding a fix FROM these guilty parties, you essentially say that that's too hard, and come after someone equally innocent -- customers.
Customers are not responsible for your wages. Your employer is. I think that's been presented to you multiple times. [Continued]
@NotGodJustMoses While I agree with this, I think there's a more relevant point, and that's that trying to force me to tip is trying to force me to pay more than the advertised price for my meal. Why should I pay $11.50 for a meal advertised on the menu as $10?
Another point to be made is that you are not a slave. You voluntarily signed on for a job that pays below minimum wage. [Continued (God I hate Youtube comment character limits!)
@NotGodJustMoses Why would you pick that job when there are plenty of McDonald's jobs that DO pay minimum wage, and require much less from their employees? Because you're assuming that your tips will make you more money than minimum wage. Thus, you willingly have taken a gamble with your paycheck, and that isn't MY fault or the fault of any other paying customer. [Continue]
@NotGodJustMoses I believe you have every right to try and convince people to tip you. I believe you've the right to flirt, beg, whatever. However, I most certainly do not believe you have the right to DEMAND a tip when you knowingly accepted a job that pays less than the standard minimum wage. not believe you have the right to DEMAND a tip when you knowingly accepted a job that pays less than the standard minimum wage. Thanks for reading, I'm sure it comes off as a bit of a rant.
@NotGodJustMoses Yr right, it is a gamble. Do YOU acknowledge that the customer is responsible for paying their servers? Do you decline to tip because you didn't make the law, or take the job? If so, why, and how does that make you not responsible?
FYI, this restaurant has an insane amount of turnover. So they do pay a little bit for being dicks to the waitstaff.
@itinkuno I feel that the customer is responsible for paying the establishment a price that was agreed to prior to the receipt of the goods/service. It is from that point that the redistribution of that payment becomes the responsibility of the establishment. Thus, no, I do not agree that it's my responsibility to pay the servers individually. They are part of the establishment, and by paying the preagreed price to the establishment, I have fulfilled all responsibility toward any individuals.
@NotGodJustMoses It is, once again, then the responsibility of the establishment to fairly redistribute its profits. It is their fault, not mine, if they do not have enough profit to pay you a fair wage. I have some understanding of the laws that allow waitresses to be paid shitty wages, BUT I feel that since we are debating a moral responsibility rather than a legal one, those laws are largely irrelevant to the discussion.
@NotGodJustMoses The fact that something is allowed or prohibited by law makes it no more or less moral. The fact of the matter is that it is the moral responsibility of your employer to be paying you fair wages, and that if he shirks that responsibility, it does not suddenly fall upon my shoulders to do so. I'm not saying that it's not nice to tip your waitress, and I'm not saying it's not dickish to give her nothing, but that's it, being nice or being a dick. It's not a horribly immoral act.
@MelkorHimself Furthermore... the argument is not fallacious. If there's a logical fallacy, point one out and say what kind of fallacy.
Frankly, capitalism supports businesses that abuse their staff. Customers frequent places with lower prices, which businesses maintain by cutting payroll. When you attend a low price place, you support this. You should know this when you go to such a place, and if you don't tip, you are a jerk. Someone has to have that job.
@curbsideprophetlz You used ad hominem fallacies. Furthermore, capitalism does not support businesses that abuse their staff. Such occurrences are the result of greed, but capitalism itself is not to blame. Capitalism simply affords each person the opportunities to accrue as much wealth as they want through their own diligent efforts.
@MelkorHimself You can't just scream FALLACY every time someone calls you a bad name. Everyone involved is aware that the waitstaff depends on tips. This includes the restaurant, the server, the customer, the minimum wage law, etc. You are the customer. You don't care. That makes you a jerk. Had he said "this person's opinion does't matter because he's an asshole", you would be correct. If your logic professor says you win, he's wrong because you didn't really respond.
I like this one; when you CHOOSE to go to a restaurant in the united states, you ARE AWARE that the waitstaff is underpaid and relies on tips to make a working wage. Blaming the waitstaff for choosing their job is like blaming the sweatshop worker for the same. You're still buying the cheap product. Not tipping makes you part of the SYSTEM keeping them from better options. If you're too poor or self-righteous to tip, go to a farmer's market for your food.
@dalriada842 Tip 10% if they had an attitude, 15% if they didn't seem to care that much. Standard is around 20%, and keep in mind that they may have to tip out the busboys and bartender, so if you tip 20% they'll get about 16%. I, personally, tip 30% for a good job. Thanks for caring!
@MelkorHimself Of course it's optional! You have the option to prove yourself to be an insensitive dick who will never be able to go to the same restaurant twice without the servers doing something truly exciting to your food before they bring it out to you! :D
@stealthbadger Your argument, like the OP's, assumes the nature of my personality with fallacious reasoning. Calm down before you have a stroke. If you're going to threaten unwanted "surprises" in someone's food because they don't tip your entitled self what you consider to be enough, then you have chosen to be an immoral, greedy excuse of a human being who should not be in the food industry.
@MelkorHimself lol, I wouldn't spit in your food. You think you have the upper hand, logically. You're being condescending. You think you're entitled to free service. You have still TOTALLY FAILED to actually respond to ANYONE'S arguments. We spelled it out for you fairly clearly. You know the servers need tips. You still don't tip? You are choosing to be an immoral, greedy excuse of a human being who should not eat in a sit down restaurant.
@itinkuno From his channel page: "You may find that I end up disabling ratings on my roller coaster videos. Despite the fact that my coasters are of excellent quality and workmanship, there seem to be a number of trolls who wait for me to post a new coaster video and give it a one-star rating. Therefore, from now on I will only allow comments on my coaster videos so that way people will have to justify their ratings."
@stealthbadger That's because I have an individual right to do so, and you have the individual right to do the same. It doesn't mean that I can't take what I dish. I just don't like trolls who base their reasoning off fallacies or nothing at all. Furthermore, that caveat was written back when YouTube had 1-5 stars for rating videos; it is different now. The girl in this video has every right to approve and/or delete comments, but she doesn't. Why? Ask her.
@MelkorHimself NONONONo, I'm saying you had 20 thumbs up when the video had 18 views (that's impossible). Most people at some point in their lives had to work a tedious job where they had to suck up to entitled pricks like you. Everyone who has had a job like that understands my position and takes my side. There's no way in hell 111.11% of people would take your side.
Now I actually do have to quit, because I AM angry. I'm going to get a beer.
@itinkuno Beer is good. Also, good video. Hope you weren't too angry. It was fun rattling his cage, even if he did delude himself into thinking I was doing anything more than having fun at his expense. ^.^
the view count doesn't update as fast as the rating count(or thumbs up). Especially on new videos made by popular youtubers you can great disparity between the view count and the ratings.
why bullshit, just ask someone else. I've seen numerous people make comments on how ratings being higher than views on some new videos; plus, I've seen it myself. You're a smart girl, I'm sure you can figure out what I say is true if you do any kind of research. Btw, I'm not Melkor or any of the people people who have commented in case you were thinking that. Well, bye.
@o0JustNobody0o I can't do research, but whenever I upload a video, everything gets updated every time the page is refreshed, including the view counts. I'll go to the video's page, and then I'll go to my homepage, and the view count will have changed. I'm only pointing out what I'm observing. I've noticed this before (is that what you mean my "research"?), but I suspect there's a way to cheat. And I really don't believe MelkorHimself's responses are *that* popular.
Melkor is an ass, but he probably used extra accounts to rate himself up, i.e. you can cheat by creating more than 1 account. I think youtube keeps a record of who(ie account, not by ip though) rated what comment, so one only account can count for one +, but for views, I think every reload counts towards view count, even if for same ip and even done right after the other. I tested the whole view count thing reloading your page using tor, viewcount didn't update.
@itinkuno I know that's not true, because when you upload a video, it shows up on the homepage, sometimes. People will watch if they think you have a cute face. It updates every time you reload the page. I'm not sure if the ratings update when you don't reload, but I know for sure that's not true. MelkorHimself cheats his way into getting thumbs up.
I always tip, unless the service was really really bad, and I knoew it was the servers fault. Man you were working for slave wages, I hope you find something better
@Roninlord25a I work for Lutheran Social Services now. This was just a post-college starter job to hold me over until I found a big kid job. It doesn't pay *terribly* well, and I don't have benefits. But, for the record, I frequently write my representatives to explain why vulnerable adults should have well paid staff.
watch?v=enJwYaeolXc Just throwing this in there.
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lordfrostblizzard 1 year ago
I always tip so does my dad and alot of my family but once my cousin bought me lunch at a restaurant, he did not tip and then he told me that food servers do not deserve tips and that he never tips ANY1(cheap asshole)
I didnt pay anything and had $0 on me but i still called him an asshole for it.
I dont think i tip that much only like 10% but i always tip that amount unless they really did a good job then i give more
jake7864 1 year ago
im a great tipper. im not afraid to tip 20, 30, 40% if the service is good. but if there are two tables in the restaurant and i have to wait more than five minutes for anything other that food the server probably isnt going to get much if anything. they get what they earn with me. but i also know if its standing room only i dont expect to get immediate attention so i dont factor that into my tip.
jawbone83 1 year ago
@jawbone83 Good for you! I used to tip around 15-20%, but now I tip between 25-30%, just because I understand now
itinkuno 1 year ago
@jawbone83 but by no means does that mean that i feel obligated to tip at all. if they arent doing their job, im not going to pay them. and if they dont feel like they are making enough money, they will find another job.
jawbone83 1 year ago
@jawbone83 I never said tipping is a horrible system. I just said I don't appreciate it when I didn't get tipped. I stayed on my toes and did whatever I could to please my customers, and it's partly because I depended on them for money.
itinkuno 1 year ago
You have clearly demonstrated that in places like Chicago anyone with a conscience should tip.
It's quite sad that waiters are not always covered by minimum wage laws. I would much prefer that waiters get a decent wage and wouldn't rely on tips like beggars.
Flare400 1 year ago 2
@Flare400 I think it's sad that people are so passionately against tipping.
itinkuno 1 year ago
I am extremely wealthy and tip 1000% gratuity.
cannedkitty 1 year ago
@cannedkitty Lol, you have no idea how happy you would make your server. People would be clawing each other over who gets to serve you
itinkuno 1 year ago
ANY educated American knows that gratuity is mandatory in all but the most extreme circumstances of server negligence, and even then the staffing at the restaurant must be considered. What bothers me *very* much is that the gratuity is based on the cost of the meal. I don't agree with this at all. Gratuity should be based on the services provided. I think a server works just as hard--if not harder--at a Denny's or some other cheaper restaurant than they do at the fanciest restaurant in town.
hackel137 1 year ago
@hackel137 Yes, this place was not a step up from Denny's.
itinkuno 1 year ago
Regardless of how much you get paid as hourly wage, no person is obligated in the least to care. A homeless vietnam veteran depends on the kindness of strangers to pay for their daily meals. This is socially understood and accepted. How many people out of 10 that pass him by on the street actually stop to even look him in the eye, let alone spare a lousy dime?
c00lwatter 1 year ago 4
@c00lwatter You aren't asking the homeless guy to do tricks first, are you? If you ask him to do something, complain about the quality of the tricks he does, and then not pay, you ARE A JERK.
The homeless guy metaphor is not a good one anyway, because it ignores the fact that you choose to utilize the underpaid service industry when you go to a restaurant.
curbsideprophetlz 1 year ago
@curbsideprophetlz
Choosing to utilize a service regardless of the type of service creates NO precedent as to what the people providing the service should expect of YOU. This is simply because there is no tangible obligation (e.g. punishment) associated with not caring or doing that merits concern. The kind of jerk you are is IRRELEVANT.
As there is a reason I used homeless "VIETNAM VET" and not homeless "GUY", I would ask of you to read further into the VA.
c00lwatter 1 year ago
@c00lwatter I don't know, I've never been a panhandler, but as a waitress I carried around a shit load of cash all the time and I was quite generous. I gave money to whoever was polite and not pushy.
itinkuno 1 year ago
I honestly had no idea that waiters have such enormous deductables
hhfleury 1 year ago
Somebody who goes out and doesn't leave a tip because of what they think is "poor" or slow service are usually the type of person whose expectations are higher than heaven and cannot be pleased lest the wait staff buff and wax their car while makin sure their ice water is topped off.
TrooperCX 1 year ago
its good karma, people should have the mindset that if they go to a restaurant with service, their meal is going to be another $2-3 a plate because of the need to tip the waiter/waitress. If you don't want to tip, get carry out and deal with your own dishes.
TrooperCX 1 year ago
@TrooperCX Ah, here's where it get's tricky. Restaurants are all a little different, but when a server at Clarkes took a carryout order, they were still expected to tip the busboys out 4%. A lot of people declined to tip for carryout, even though the server was the one packing their food and bringing it over. So you generally lost 4% for every carryout order you took. I always tip 20% for carryout orders. The servers are always really greatfull.
itinkuno 1 year ago
Tips being "expected" does not mean mandatory. The federal government expects tips to be given based on past statistics, but they aren't demanded. If, in fact, tips were meant to be mandatory, Congress or the states would've passed laws making it mandatory to pay gratuity. You chose to work for slave wages, and the responsibility for that only falls upon you. Furthermore, if your $4.50/hr + tips AFTER tipping out don't equal $7.25/hr, your employer MUST make up the difference...from the FLSA.
MelkorHimself 1 year ago 14
@MelkorHimself that's why I said in the description that tipping is only optional if you're a jerk.
If you think the restaurant gives a fuck about how much I brought home, you're wrong. They get reported to the BBB constantly..... from my own personal experience.
How the fuck do you have 20 thumbs up if only 18 people have watched this video? I feel like you're cheating. Knock it off. If you have to cheat, perhaps your position isn't as noble as you think.
itinkuno 1 year ago
@itinkuno Tipping is optional regardless of personality, and your argument is fallacious because it assumes without any logical reasoning. If your restaurant doesn't care how much you bring home, why the hell are you still working for it? Again, take some responsibility for the choices you've made and stop expecting people pay your mortgage. You can always work at a fast food joint where you're guaranteed a steady paycheck, or you can find a better job based on your education level.
MelkorHimself 1 year ago 8
@MelkorHimself What you're assuming is that life is fair. Restaurant servers are not leeching off of you. If everyone got to choose whatever job they want, we wouldnt have any janitors or servers or cleaning people. Regardless of what you clearly think, people do not always end up in that sort of job due to bad choices or laziness; those jobs are not easier. Your "social darwinism" argument that insists people "take responsibility" is ignorant.
curbsideprophetlz 1 year ago 3
@curbsideprophetlz Even if you end up with a job you don't like, you still choose whether or not you take it. You take a job knowing its privileges and shortfalls, and no matter which one you select, you do so willingly. Therefore, you can't complain if you get screwed over as a result of the profession you've chosen. Today I was blessed with a rare short work day, but normally a work day on a frigate is 10-12 hours. I also don't get paid much for what I do, but I believe in selfless service.
MelkorHimself 1 year ago
@MelkorHimself You still haven't explained how 107% of the people who have seen this video agree with you
itinkuno 1 year ago
@MelkorHimself I took the first job I found out of college to hold me over. I was aware that most of my income would come from customers. Most of my customers were also aware. From what I understand, you're basically saying that I didn't deserve to get paid more than my hourly wage, which I just proved to you was under $1/hour. Am I wrong? Do you really think servers are being greedy because they expect to get paid for what they do? Do you not understand what a fallacy is?
itinkuno 1 year ago
@itinkuno If you think arguing with me or anyone who thinks similarly changes anything, it doesn't. Complaining about what you get paid to the customers or potential customers doesn't sway people to your cause. You're missing the real issue, which is the fact that you're allowing your employer and the federal government to give you less than your worth. If you want to see a meaningful change, you need to organize against the government or unionize against your employer(s).
MelkorHimself 1 year ago 4
@MelkorHimself once again, I seriously doubt you got two thumbs up for that. Most people have had to work jobs like this, even if it was just in high school.
Also, if half of your coworkers are illegal immigrants, unionizing is not an option. And, no, I'm not going to call immigration and rat out my FRIENDS who work their asses off to feed their families in Mexico. I know multiple people who reported the restaurant to the BBB for various reasons. The BBB never did anything.
itinkuno 1 year ago
@itinkuno From the comment I'm replying to, it seems that you acknowledge that it's not the customers' fault that waitresses and whatnot make such horrible base wages. Forgive me if I'm jumping to a conclusion, but that's what I get from it.
Anyway, here's what I have a problem with. If my above assumption is correct, then you acknowledge that the lawmakers and restaurant owners are responsible for screwing over waitresses by paying them < minimum wage. [Continued]
NotGodJustMoses 1 year ago
@NotGodJustMoses However, when presented with a solution that involves demanding a fix FROM these guilty parties, you essentially say that that's too hard, and come after someone equally innocent -- customers.
Customers are not responsible for your wages. Your employer is. I think that's been presented to you multiple times. [Continued]
NotGodJustMoses 1 year ago
@NotGodJustMoses While I agree with this, I think there's a more relevant point, and that's that trying to force me to tip is trying to force me to pay more than the advertised price for my meal. Why should I pay $11.50 for a meal advertised on the menu as $10?
Another point to be made is that you are not a slave. You voluntarily signed on for a job that pays below minimum wage. [Continued (God I hate Youtube comment character limits!)
NotGodJustMoses 1 year ago
@NotGodJustMoses Why would you pick that job when there are plenty of McDonald's jobs that DO pay minimum wage, and require much less from their employees? Because you're assuming that your tips will make you more money than minimum wage. Thus, you willingly have taken a gamble with your paycheck, and that isn't MY fault or the fault of any other paying customer. [Continue]
NotGodJustMoses 1 year ago
@NotGodJustMoses I believe you have every right to try and convince people to tip you. I believe you've the right to flirt, beg, whatever. However, I most certainly do not believe you have the right to DEMAND a tip when you knowingly accepted a job that pays less than the standard minimum wage. not believe you have the right to DEMAND a tip when you knowingly accepted a job that pays less than the standard minimum wage. Thanks for reading, I'm sure it comes off as a bit of a rant.
NotGodJustMoses 1 year ago
@NotGodJustMoses Yr right, it is a gamble. Do YOU acknowledge that the customer is responsible for paying their servers? Do you decline to tip because you didn't make the law, or take the job? If so, why, and how does that make you not responsible?
FYI, this restaurant has an insane amount of turnover. So they do pay a little bit for being dicks to the waitstaff.
itinkuno 1 year ago
@itinkuno I feel that the customer is responsible for paying the establishment a price that was agreed to prior to the receipt of the goods/service. It is from that point that the redistribution of that payment becomes the responsibility of the establishment. Thus, no, I do not agree that it's my responsibility to pay the servers individually. They are part of the establishment, and by paying the preagreed price to the establishment, I have fulfilled all responsibility toward any individuals.
NotGodJustMoses 1 year ago
@NotGodJustMoses It is, once again, then the responsibility of the establishment to fairly redistribute its profits. It is their fault, not mine, if they do not have enough profit to pay you a fair wage. I have some understanding of the laws that allow waitresses to be paid shitty wages, BUT I feel that since we are debating a moral responsibility rather than a legal one, those laws are largely irrelevant to the discussion.
NotGodJustMoses 1 year ago
@NotGodJustMoses The fact that something is allowed or prohibited by law makes it no more or less moral. The fact of the matter is that it is the moral responsibility of your employer to be paying you fair wages, and that if he shirks that responsibility, it does not suddenly fall upon my shoulders to do so. I'm not saying that it's not nice to tip your waitress, and I'm not saying it's not dickish to give her nothing, but that's it, being nice or being a dick. It's not a horribly immoral act.
NotGodJustMoses 1 year ago 15
@MelkorHimself Furthermore... the argument is not fallacious. If there's a logical fallacy, point one out and say what kind of fallacy.
Frankly, capitalism supports businesses that abuse their staff. Customers frequent places with lower prices, which businesses maintain by cutting payroll. When you attend a low price place, you support this. You should know this when you go to such a place, and if you don't tip, you are a jerk. Someone has to have that job.
curbsideprophetlz 1 year ago
@curbsideprophetlz You used ad hominem fallacies. Furthermore, capitalism does not support businesses that abuse their staff. Such occurrences are the result of greed, but capitalism itself is not to blame. Capitalism simply affords each person the opportunities to accrue as much wealth as they want through their own diligent efforts.
MelkorHimself 1 year ago
@MelkorHimself You can't just scream FALLACY every time someone calls you a bad name. Everyone involved is aware that the waitstaff depends on tips. This includes the restaurant, the server, the customer, the minimum wage law, etc. You are the customer. You don't care. That makes you a jerk. Had he said "this person's opinion does't matter because he's an asshole", you would be correct. If your logic professor says you win, he's wrong because you didn't really respond.
itinkuno 1 year ago
@curbsideprophetlz
I like this one; when you CHOOSE to go to a restaurant in the united states, you ARE AWARE that the waitstaff is underpaid and relies on tips to make a working wage. Blaming the waitstaff for choosing their job is like blaming the sweatshop worker for the same. You're still buying the cheap product. Not tipping makes you part of the SYSTEM keeping them from better options. If you're too poor or self-righteous to tip, go to a farmer's market for your food.
itinkuno 1 year ago
@itinkuno I hadn't realised how badly paid servers are. If I ever visit the US, I will certainly tip. What is the expected percentage?
dalriada842 1 year ago
@dalriada842 Tip 10% if they had an attitude, 15% if they didn't seem to care that much. Standard is around 20%, and keep in mind that they may have to tip out the busboys and bartender, so if you tip 20% they'll get about 16%. I, personally, tip 30% for a good job. Thanks for caring!
itinkuno 1 year ago
@MelkorHimself Of course it's optional! You have the option to prove yourself to be an insensitive dick who will never be able to go to the same restaurant twice without the servers doing something truly exciting to your food before they bring it out to you! :D
stealthbadger 1 year ago
@stealthbadger Your argument, like the OP's, assumes the nature of my personality with fallacious reasoning. Calm down before you have a stroke. If you're going to threaten unwanted "surprises" in someone's food because they don't tip your entitled self what you consider to be enough, then you have chosen to be an immoral, greedy excuse of a human being who should not be in the food industry.
MelkorHimself 1 year ago
@MelkorHimself lol, I wouldn't spit in your food. You think you have the upper hand, logically. You're being condescending. You think you're entitled to free service. You have still TOTALLY FAILED to actually respond to ANYONE'S arguments. We spelled it out for you fairly clearly. You know the servers need tips. You still don't tip? You are choosing to be an immoral, greedy excuse of a human being who should not eat in a sit down restaurant.
itinkuno 1 year ago
@itinkuno From his channel page: "You may find that I end up disabling ratings on my roller coaster videos. Despite the fact that my coasters are of excellent quality and workmanship, there seem to be a number of trolls who wait for me to post a new coaster video and give it a one-star rating. Therefore, from now on I will only allow comments on my coaster videos so that way people will have to justify their ratings."
Someone can dish it out, but not take it. :D
stealthbadger 1 year ago
@stealthbadger That's because I have an individual right to do so, and you have the individual right to do the same. It doesn't mean that I can't take what I dish. I just don't like trolls who base their reasoning off fallacies or nothing at all. Furthermore, that caveat was written back when YouTube had 1-5 stars for rating videos; it is different now. The girl in this video has every right to approve and/or delete comments, but she doesn't. Why? Ask her.
MelkorHimself 1 year ago
@MelkorHimself I'm talking about what I suspect is your douchey self-rating of your comments. :D
stealthbadger 1 year ago
@MelkorHimself NONONONo, I'm saying you had 20 thumbs up when the video had 18 views (that's impossible). Most people at some point in their lives had to work a tedious job where they had to suck up to entitled pricks like you. Everyone who has had a job like that understands my position and takes my side. There's no way in hell 111.11% of people would take your side.
Now I actually do have to quit, because I AM angry. I'm going to get a beer.
itinkuno 1 year ago
@itinkuno Beer is good. Also, good video. Hope you weren't too angry. It was fun rattling his cage, even if he did delude himself into thinking I was doing anything more than having fun at his expense. ^.^
stealthbadger 1 year ago
@itinkuno
the view count doesn't update as fast as the rating count(or thumbs up). Especially on new videos made by popular youtubers you can great disparity between the view count and the ratings.
o0JustNobody0o 1 year ago
@o0JustNobody0o bullshit
itinkuno 1 year ago
@itinkuno
why bullshit, just ask someone else. I've seen numerous people make comments on how ratings being higher than views on some new videos; plus, I've seen it myself. You're a smart girl, I'm sure you can figure out what I say is true if you do any kind of research. Btw, I'm not Melkor or any of the people people who have commented in case you were thinking that. Well, bye.
o0JustNobody0o 1 year ago
@o0JustNobody0o I can't do research, but whenever I upload a video, everything gets updated every time the page is refreshed, including the view counts. I'll go to the video's page, and then I'll go to my homepage, and the view count will have changed. I'm only pointing out what I'm observing. I've noticed this before (is that what you mean my "research"?), but I suspect there's a way to cheat. And I really don't believe MelkorHimself's responses are *that* popular.
itinkuno 1 year ago
@itinkuno
Melkor is an ass, but he probably used extra accounts to rate himself up, i.e. you can cheat by creating more than 1 account. I think youtube keeps a record of who(ie account, not by ip though) rated what comment, so one only account can count for one +, but for views, I think every reload counts towards view count, even if for same ip and even done right after the other. I tested the whole view count thing reloading your page using tor, viewcount didn't update.
o0JustNobody0o 1 year ago
@itinkuno I know that's not true, because when you upload a video, it shows up on the homepage, sometimes. People will watch if they think you have a cute face. It updates every time you reload the page. I'm not sure if the ratings update when you don't reload, but I know for sure that's not true. MelkorHimself cheats his way into getting thumbs up.
itinkuno 1 year ago
@MelkorHimself
Also, you misunderstand what a troll is, I guess? Trolls don't argue. They simply bait people for a reaction.
itinkuno 1 year ago
@itinkuno YHBT. HAND.
stealthbadger 1 year ago
Tipping is a good idea.
grendelrob244 1 year ago
@grendelrob244 Well, it does encourage the waitstaff to do a better job and to not have an attitude
itinkuno 1 year ago
@itinkuno Exactly!!!
grendelrob244 1 year ago
I always tip, unless the service was really really bad, and I knoew it was the servers fault. Man you were working for slave wages, I hope you find something better
Roninlord25a 1 year ago
@Roninlord25a I work for Lutheran Social Services now. This was just a post-college starter job to hold me over until I found a big kid job. It doesn't pay *terribly* well, and I don't have benefits. But, for the record, I frequently write my representatives to explain why vulnerable adults should have well paid staff.
itinkuno 1 year ago
i agree with you
i hope others do aswell
LordXenocide 1 year ago