Exposing the doctrine of the Trinity as evil & of antichrist, part 1 of 10.

[TheTruthPastor]

Good teaching. The hebrew word for Spirit is RUACH which means wind and or breath. Thus the Ruach Kodesh is God's holy, pure, breath-wind.......Thank God he's a singular personal God, who gives us his personal breath of life, and not a God who doesn't want to dwell with us and sends another person. YHVH is God, Yeshua his son has been made Lord and Christ!!!

[neekothesecond]

@FreedomMountain if you believe in the trinity, you are a false teacher.

[Danielezerable]

@glorytoyahweh1 No He was NOT! The Holy Spirit (God's active force) placed Christ's spirit in the virgin Mary. However, it was Joseph who officially conceives Jesus.

[Danielezerable]

@Datboysaved If you are talking to ShrockPaul, I cannot say. However, I believe that Jesus of Nazareth is indeed the Archangel Michael made human. However, I am not a Jehovah's Witness. I also believe that Jesus is Divine and can and should be worshipped. I don't believe Jesus is God and His Divinity is only an inheritance from God, our loving Father. God gave birth to Jesus. We should direct our prayers to God but since Jesus is our mediator, we can talk to Him as well.

[Danielezerable]

@glorytoyahweh1 While admittedly, they are pretty weird, you should look at arian-catholicDOTorg's page on Sir Isaac Newton. The Spirit of Jesus entered into Mary as the Holy Spirit overshadowed her, however, the Bible does not say how Jesus was conceived. Jesus was definitely NOT born of a virgin.

[Danielezerable]

@glorytoyahweh1 Actually, if you carefully reexamine everything you have been taught, you will find that Isaiah 7:14 is actually talking about another woman's baby. That is, the baby was a sign for King Ahaz that God would be with him as he crushed the northern enemies. Thus, the title "Immanuel" is in reality, that God would be overshadowing His people by sending His Son to redeem them. So not only is the virgin birth of the Messiah a fraud, He was the second one to receive the honorary title.

[Datboysaved]

question. r u a Jehovahs Witness?

[Danielezerable]

@glorytoyahweh1 Homoousianism - same substance. Early church attacked this Gnostic teaching. Let's date our faith to the 1st century AD.

[Danielezerable]

@glorytoyahweh1 Isaiah 7:14 - God's way of being with us by sending His Son. Isaiah 9:6 Mighty God as in Mighty Powerful One. Not the God. John 1:1 denotes God family again. The Word was with God and the Word was God. It is more accurately rendered the Word was with God and the Word was divine.

Yah bless.

[RevealHiddenReality]

After through centuries illuminati beleivers and masons were send into the church as Billy Graham and the rest of the christian cionist as John Hagee, Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, Dollar Creflo etc. So the trinity teaching the forrunner of the antichrist because this teaching not allowing to understand the spiritual Israel and the relation of Sarah and the Heavenly Jerusalem as the church. Thats why people cant see the third temple az the tower of modern Babylon, and the throne of satan.

[RevealHiddenReality]

The trinity doctrin is came from ancient Babylon from the rebellious Nimrod. Nimrod had a wife name Semiramis, and their son Tammuz. When Same heard that Nimrod is teaching people to rise against God, he killed Nimrod and cut him pieces and hung him at his cities gates.

Later Semiramis concived a child ( Tammuz ) and she said that Nimrod was reincarnated in the form of Tammuz. They claimed themself the children of the sungod, so they were the first trinity gods.

[TheYAHnitarian]

The term "fully man, fully God" drives me nuts. Yeshua himself said, "The Father is greater than I" ... yeah yeah I know, he "lowered Himself into flesh ... blah blah blah"

Nothing in the Torah, nor in Yeshua's teachings alluded to Him being the Father, period. The Most High did NOT need King James nor the council of Nicaea to reword scripture, because He didn't phrase it correctly!

[1978dagreat]

Jesus is God!!!Amen and Amen and Amen

[saudertim1]

join my facebook Paul.. I am a non conference Mennonite who has come to this conclusion after years of hearing the non sense of eggs etc to explain the non sense of the trinity. There is a shaking in Christian circles to put this off. Join me

timothy sauder

[Paulsministry]

@saudertim1 Thanks for your encouragement. I joined facebook but have'nt looked into as to how it works in promoting my (our) videos. Perhaps you can tell me. Your brother in Christ, Paul.

[gusanotaylor]

The Apostle Paul and the entire first century church never heard of trinitarianism. It's a catholic doctrine. Lord please help everyone to understand that you have always been a binitarian. The Father and the Son. The two are one. There is none other. Thank you that we believers are all filled with your spirit. Thank you that it is forever. We love you.

[shibakim]

@jmhjmh5

The Father is not a name, the Son is not a name, the Holy Ghost is not a name. May I ask u by WHAT NAME were u baptized, or by WHAT NAMES were u baptized? May I ask u what is ur earthly father's name?

[loudmouthspeaker]

@pauls ministry - jesus lowered himself and came to earth.. now jesus sits at the right hand of God... what are you dribbling about...

[Paulsministry]

You are giving a false testimony of Jesus. I am glad I am not your judge. Neverthless I tell: because you hold the Bible in your hand you will be judged by it. I urge U therefore before U teach others make sure first U have been taught it by the H.S. & not only by deceaved men, otherwise U may one day wake up & find that U have been deceived & have been a false witness of Christ. Would U want that?

[ShrockPaul]

@loudmouthspeaker

As u know, 'Let us make man in our image, after our likeness..' that's the verse trinitarians love to us to defend their doctrine. Let me ask u a question. Do we, you & I have 3 persons in our being?

[Danielezerable]

@ShrockPaul Next verse: male and female, in his image. TWO! God is speaking to a lower co-creator.

[xmanntx]

It is amazing that a belief system (that coincidentally mirrors most of the pagan religions) has taken root in the belief of the Most High. When He specifically took Abraham out of a system of multi-god worship and told him that Yah is one. I still find it difficult to believe that words/scriptures have been added to prop up the Nicene creed and "we" accept it. How is it that YHWH did not reveal this trinity to Moses or even the prophets?

[Paulsministry]

In Dan. 7 God's word tells us that the littlehorn would think to change the times & laws of the saints of the ..... Of course we know that that power sits in the vatican & is the head of the whore of Rev. . What the trinitarians don't under.. is that they are "drunken with the wine of her false doct." Of course a man that is drunk can't think to straight can he? If these people want to be drunk, well, our calling is to present the truth, otherwise let them remain with their pagan Jesus.

[dawatcha100]

@jmhjmh5 he also could have said that he was god but he didn't. what pitiful little word games.

cursed be those false teachings.

[loudmouthspeaker]

@dawatcha100 jesus is eternal, jesus created the heavens and the earth

[Paulsministry]

What a childish understanding of Jesus you have!

[lchiddle]

@Paulsministry

Yeah... thanks Paul. You're not helping. Explain!!

[shibakim]

@lchiddle

Just before u were born I suppose ur parents bought & prepared the things they thought they needed for u. A bed, blankets, pillow, shoes, clothes, foods, toys, milk bottles etc., etc. So God, Jesus's Father created all things for His Son before His Son come to existance. So when God created the world, already Son was in His plan before He started to create. All things were created FOR HIM (Jesus) by His Father. That's why Jesus could say 'before Abraham was I am'.

[dawatcha100]

@jmhjmh5 u know what i found out through research. that the 3 that bear witness in heaven verse has been added and is not in any of the original texts. it also is only in the kjv of the bible i believe. check on it.

you are welcomed

[lchiddle]

Jesus' father is the person of God, the Father.

[lchiddle]

I think you meant Luke chapter 1:34-35...

This is typical misunderstanding, and inserting ones own theology. The Son of God is eternal, and did not come into existence from the womb of Mary. The Son of God is the Logos of God and is carried by the Holy Spirit, just like your words are carried by your breath. So wherever the Son of God is, there also is the Holy Spirit.

[sailing19100]

@lchiddle The son of God proceeded forth out of the father, as his first creation. He is of identical character as the father, but subject to the father in authority.

[lchiddle]

@sailing19100

I totally agree with everything you have said except the "God's first creation" part. Where in scripture does it say that The Son of God is God's first creation.

John 1:1 gives the notion of the Logos always existing, never having a being.

1 John 1:1-3 describes Jesus as the eternal life.

Micah 5:2 says the Son's goings forth are from of old, from everlasting.

Jesus even describes himself as ever present in John 8:58 - "Before Abraham came into existence, I am"

[sailing19100]

@lchiddle Jesus as God's first creation is in Rev 3:14. John 1:1 does not define which beginning. But no matter about beginning, have a look at the underlying Greek and the difference between "ho theos" and "theos". Two difference concepts but shoing the same English translation in most versions. About 1 John 1, read John 17:3 . On Micah 5:2, "everlasting" is two hebrew words "yowm" and "owlam" meaning "of old, long ages" or "from ages ago". John 8 is true, see part 2

[sailing19100]

@lchiddle part 2; what Jesus said is true, because Jesus created Abraham, and therefore, in the same sense that He can say "I and my father ARE one, he can say "Before Abraham was, I am". The distinction being, that Jesus and God are equal in purpose and mind and character, yet Jesus proceeded forth out of God, and subject to God, even after the consummation of all things. Joseph and Pharoah is a perfect type and antitype of Jesus and God. Joseph is Pharoahs equal, except in the throne.

[lchiddle]

@sailing19100

The word "beginning" in Rev 3:14, archē, is the same word in John 1:1 which John uses to denote source or origin, not "first" which John uses the word prōtos for (see Rev 22:13).

John 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word... All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.

It's clear by the context that the beginning is referring to the beginning of creation.

The Son being the Logos of God makes perfect sense for him to be the beginning

[cont'd]

[lchiddle]

[cont'd][2]

Just to let you know, I hold to the Trinity concept, not Modalism. If John 1:1 did say “kai ho theos ēn ho logos” then the Tinity concept would be false and Modalism (Jesus is the Father) would be correct. As it is John 1:1 is speaking of the Logos' nature not who the Logos is. Just as you are human the Logos is God.

[cont'd]

[lchiddle]

[cont'd][3]

I agree with John 17:3, the Father is the only true God, the Son is not another god, but comes from the Father. The Son is in the Father (John 14:10, Phil 2:6).

The Hebrew word owlam means “the vanishing point; generally, time out of mind (past or future)” it is used of Yahweh is Psalm 41:13 - Blessed be the LORD, the God of Israel, from everlasting to everlasting! Amen and Amen.

My mind can cope with billions of years, what I cannot comprehend is eternity.

[cont'd]

[lchiddle]

[cont'd][4]

Yet, in John 8:58 Jesus is not just saying that he existed before Abraham, but ever present from before Abraham, “Before Abraham was, I AM”

Only God is eternal (timeless) yet he Jesus is claiming to be just that.

[Paulsministry]

U have no evidence that the "I am" of Jesus is the same as that at the borning bush. Jesus had no intention of making a connection of the two. U are making a supposition. Jesus is the son of God because He is virgin born. Walter Martin also made this supposition openly before millions of people. God allowed him to be stricken & die by an incurrable decease in spite of the fact that 1000s of people were praying for his healing. Be careful of your false witness of Jesus. God is not dead

[lchiddle]

@Paulsministry

Where did I exactly did I mention Exodus 3:14?? Who's really making presuppositions, Paul?

Jesus refers to himself around 2000 years before in the present revealing to the Jews his eternal nature. If this is not what Jesus was saying why then did the Jews then pick up stones to stone him?

"God is not dead" - Amen, and neither is Christ.

[lchiddle]

@Paulsministry

Jesus is not the Son of God because he was born from a virgin. Jesus is the Son of God, because he proceeded forth from God (John 16:27-28).

[Paulsministry]

This is typical of indoctrination. Till now U cannot understand the awesome, wonderful, awesome, wonderful, awesome, wonderful, awesome, wonderful,awesome, wonderful, awesome, wonderful, awesome, wonderful, awesome, wonderful, event that took place at Bethlehem. Before Bethlehem & after Bethlehem no humam being was ever born without an earthly father. It was in this way that Jesus "proceeded forth from God." Because of being indoctrinated, till now, U cannot understand this.

[lchiddle]

@Paulsministry

You said, "It was in this way that Jesus 'proceeded forth from God.'"

- That actually does not make any sense, and it's totally unbiblical!

[lchiddle]

@Paulsministry

For your information. It was not through indoctrination that I came to a knowledge of the Trinity. It was through reading the both the Old and New Testiments. I wouldn't accept the Trinity outside of the Bible, because it made absolutely no sense to me. The majority of the time it was because those Christians who tried explaining it to me, didn't have a clear understanding of it themselves, the other reason was because I had so many misconceptions about what it was meant to be.

[Paulsministry]

What U fail to understand is this: John tells of "the spirit of antichrist which is to come." (And even at that time began to work.) While Jesus was on earth the spirit of antichrist could not yet work. This is true because these are teaching spirits of demons that depict Jesus as a deity coming down from heaven taking on the form of man. This is the concept which the pagans had, see Acts 14:11. This concept of Jesus was infiltrated into the early church by the so called Church Fathers.

[shibakim]

@Paulsministry

Amen, I absolutly agree that the concept of the trinity doctrine established by SO CALLED church fathers.

[sailing19100]

@lchiddle to your 3 part: that's just it, the owlam/ aion challenge. Neither means everlasting all the time. It begs the question of whether we are to consider our lexicons to be inspired too. Am I understanding you correctly then that you see Jesus and God as co-eternal, and Jesus proceeding from the father meaning simply that he was sent by the father, and placed himself into eternal subjection to the father for the father's good pleasure.

[sailing19100]

@lchiddle part 2 of my response to your 3 part. well, i see arche used also to mean the first and implying more following, such as in john 2:11. I must say I have looked at this for a long time and have not been able to find any resolve. The same with the words owlam, ad , netsach in hebrew and aion, aionios and aidios in greek, these words not always meaning infinite, but used to describe a quality of God that does not necessarily apply to things created by God, such as the ages/eons.

[lchiddle]

@sailing19100

I'm not following - Lexicons inspired? The lexicons are there to help us understand the languages; language scholars have critically analysis analyzed them for hundreds of years.

You can attempt play all the linguistic gymnastics you like, the fact remains that everlasting is a very likely translation for `owlam in Micah 5:2, this is the translation that the majority of Hebrew scholars give it.

[cont'd]

[lchiddle]

[cont'd][2]

No, you seem to be misunderstanding me, I'm saying that the Son of God, God's Logos, preceeded forth from the Father in eternity past: outside of time, hence the Son is co-eternal with the Father.

Can you please address what I have said with regards to timelessness in John 8:58.

[cont'd]

[lchiddle]

[cont'd][3]

It is unfortunate that some translations have translated the word "first" in John 2:11 because this is not what the Greek literally says. The literal Greek reads when translated:

"this Jesus did beginning his signs..."

Archēn in John 2:11 gives the essence of a "start", not the “first” of a thing, this is clear as there is no article preceding archēn like there is before prōtē in Rev 4:1: "...And the first voice, which I had heard speaking to me like a trumpet, said..."

[sailing19100]

@lchiddle Jhn 8:58. I cannot address it without interpreting it away to mean something else than what is clearly implied, if not clearly stated (which I could do, of course). But: that point is nearly moot, because, if Jesus proceeded forth from God, there must be a meaning to that proceeding forth, no matter "when" it occured. Also, after the consummation of all things, Jesus remains subjected to the Father, again for "eternity", still one with the Father except in the throne. see next

[sailing19100]

(cont). So the issue for me (and perhaps a stumbling block) is that co-equality does not include the concept of subjection. To me this is more important to resolve than the distinctions related to infinity coming to express itself inside time. Have you received any revelation about this problem of co-equality against subjection?

[sailing19100]

@lchiddle Just to add to what I already said about John 8:58, the "i am he" underneath the I AM gives several possible understandings. The learned elders of Jerusalem did not even understand from the scriptures that their forefathers were alive, and not dead. Jesus is telling them that "in your scriptures - which are dead letters to you, even before Abraham was , I am already there" - Just like the road to emmeus: "Look at what is written, I am there!".

[lchiddle]

@sailing19100

I understand your concern, I've literally just been looking @ stuff that has really got me thinking about the eternal sonship of the Logos. I believe that the Logos is eternal and Heb 7:3 strongly supports this. But there is definitely something up with an eternal sonship: "I WILL BE a Father to Him, and He SHALL BE a Son to Me" (Heb.1:5; 2 Sam. 7:14). This is future tense!

Notice John does not call the Logos the Son until he has entered flesh (John 1:14)

[cont'd]

[lchiddle]

[cont'd][2]

"You are my Son; today I have begotten you." (Heb 1:5, Psa 2:7)

Scripture nowhere calls Jesus Christ the "eternal Son of God", and he is never called "Son" prior to the incarnation, except in prophetic passages in the Old Testament.

He is always referred to as God or Yahweh prior to the incarnation, Zech 2:8-11 is an example of this; Yahweh sends Yahweh; hence Immanuel.

[cont'd]

[lchiddle]

[cont'd][3]

I hope this helps towards your "proceeding from the Father" predicament, it certainly makes a lot more sense for me, especially when faced with Jesus' words "I am in the Father" (John 10:38, 14:10-11, Phil 2:6)

What do you think?

[cont'd]

[lchiddle]

[cont'd][4]

Co-equality is in reference to the divine nature within the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, it does not have anything to do with the a nature of submission that Jesus took upon himself when becoming flesh (Phil 2:6-7)

In Phil 2:6 it says, "...though he [Jesus] exists in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be held onto..."

[cont'd]

[lchiddle]

[cont'd][5]

Regarding your comments on John 8:58, I really don't think that the context allows for this, and is nothing less than adding to the words of Christ simply to avoid the obvious.

Jesus saying “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” I see nothing less than Jesus contrasting Abraham's coming into existence, with his own eternal existence. The same happens between John 1:1 and 1:14:

In the beginning was the Logos...And the Logos became flesh...

[sailing19100]

@lchiddle I am going to move over to PM if it is alright with you, the little boxes are cumbersome. I will point out in advance that Heb 7 compares and contrasts Jesus and Melchilzedek in a very distinct way. Also, I see a clear connection between Rom 1, Eph 5, 1 Cor 10 and Gen 2. I am tempted (properly, I hope) to believe that certain truths are not evident by the written words (which are flesh, John 6), but only by "comparing spiritual to spiritual" as Paul says.

[lchiddle]

@sailing19100

I agree these comment sections are certainly not the best.

Here's the problem, John was writing to the unbeliever so that they might believe (John 20:30-31). Why would John then introduce misleading quotes with no explanation like he does in John 2:21, especially when Christ's very identity (John 8:24) was relying on what he wrote.

[sailing19100]

@lchiddle I went to PM, and responded over there. Thanks for the discussion here, and to everyone else here, blessings.

[Paulsministry]

I am sorry, but this shows just how spiritually drunk u are with the wine of the great whore. If God would/could open your eyes then u would understand that just the term "eternal son" is absurd. Your theology, according to John 2:22, denies the clear & distinct relationship of Father & Son. Clearly then, according to God's Word, u are under the strong influence of the spirit of antichrist. (that means drunken by "Her" doctrine). In all kindness I say to u repent before it is to late!

[lchiddle]

@Paulsministry

And how exactly am I denying the relationship of the Father and Son?

[Paulsministry]

I will not respond in all the aspects of how U deny this relationship. In one aspect: when you teach that the Son is eternal U are putting Him on the same level as God Almty. That destroys the Father & Son relationship as human language knows it. It also absolutely denies what took place at Bethlehem. Jesus is "the only begotten of the Father," John 1:14. Tell me, according to your doctrine, when did this "begetting" take place? If before Beth. then U have a problem accord. to Yevil Doc.

[loudmouthspeaker]

@Paulsministry is this referred to me by any chance.. What a childish understanding of Jesus you have!

do you reject that jesus is co eternal and that jesus created the heaven and the earth?

[lchiddle]

Yes, the Holy Spirit is the power that proceeds from the Father, but this power, is a person in itself:

He guides, hears, speaks (John 16:13), he can be lied to (Acts 5:3), he knows things (1Corinthians 2:11), he can be grieved (Ephesians 4:30), he intercedes for us (Romans 8:26-27), and he makes decisions according to His will (1 Corinthians 12:7-11).

The Bible clearly reveals that the Holy Spirit is a divine person, with a mind, emotions, and a will.

[dawatcha100]

@lchiddle it also gives characteristics to wisdom that make it seem like a person.

[lchiddle]

@dawatcha100

In the book of Proverbs a book of poetry.

[dawatcha100]

@lchiddle the holy spirit is not another entity. it's Yah. there is no trinity.

[lchiddle]

@dawatcha100

Amen to that! But I'd like to know where I was supposed to have said that "the Holy Spirit is another entity"?

[Paulsministry]

That is all supposition & indoctrination my friend. Tell me: why does Ephs.4:30 tell us "and greive not the H. S. of God?" God just like man, who is in His image, has spirit, soul & body. His spirit, just like mans can be greived. If U make a person out of the holy spirit as distinct from the person of God then U have fabricated another divine person which does not exist. If you pray to this so called person then U are an idolator. Repent of this evil diabolical trinitarian doctrine!

[lchiddle]

@Paulsministry

What exactly is "all supposition & indoctrination"?

Perhaps first you could tell me how a non-person, namely the Holy Spirit, can even be grieved? And then perhaps you could tell me why a non-person, namely the Holy Spirit can have fellowship with us (2 Corinthians 13:14)? And then perhaps you could explain why Jesus applied such person attributes to this non-person, the Spirit of Truth (John 16:13-14)?

[Paulsministry]

I have answered as to why the H.S. can be greived, namely, He is God's own personal S. As far as fellowship? Well my dear freind! Have U ever heard of "power lines?" When these are cut it means communication is also cut from one area to another. The H.S. is the means of communication/fellowship between one person to another. In this case from earth to heaven. God cannot communicate with U without Y own human S. Will U then make a person out of your own S. as U have done with God's S.?

[loudmouthspeaker]

@Paulsministry i see you have a problem in how God reveals himself to his people... jesus is eternal, God is eternal and the holy spirit is eternal.. jesus sent us the holy spirit... our paraclete.. christians are baptised in the Holy ghost...

who fell on Jesus when he was baptised in water... the holy spirit...

[upNyaBizznizz]

@loudmouthspeaker JESUS DIED! Jesus was not Eternal until YAHWEH resurrected him from the Dead. YAHWEH cannot die. Yahweh IS Eternal for all infinite time. Jesus was crucified with nails. Can anyone capture YAHWEH in a garden and take Him prisoner and then beat YAHWEH in the face and KILL the Creator of the Universe on a stupid little Roman crucifix? Seriously, do you believe that? YAHWEH would laugh at them and open up the Earth to swallow those wicked bastards whole! Yahweh laughs at Death!

[upNyaBizznizz]

JESUS was at a Hebrew synagogue in his hometown, he was reading from the book of ISAIAH in the Hebrew language. Then Jesus said, "Today this scripture has been fulfilled" and they grabbed hold of Jesus to fling him from the cliff to kill him! Jesus RAN like a jack rabbit, many times to escape death! Do you think that YAHWEH runs away from death like a scared jack rabbit? YAHWEH does not run from death at any time and He is not Jesus, and Jesus is not 'God in the flesh'. That's so ridiculous!

[loudmouthspeaker]

@upNyaBizznizz Wow... Um you should know that the bible states that jesus created the heavens .. tell me how jesus could do that until God raised him from the dead.... You have created a problem for your self now havnt you...

You dont understand who jesus is do you

[upNyaBizznizz]

@loudmouthspeaker JOHN 1

1 In the beginning was the Word [Truth], and the truth was with YAHWEH, and the truth was YAHWEH.

2 The same [truth] was in the beginning with YAHWEH.

3 All things were made by Yahweh; and without Him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In Yahweh was life; and the life was the light [righteousness] of men.

5 And the light [righteousness] shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

BTW, That is the correct way to Read it. Is that the verse you meant?

[loudmouthspeaker]

@upNyaBizznizz so you have God and then you have the Word which came to us in the flesh..... so God and jesus is the Word... and they are one...

[loudmouthspeaker]

@upNyaBizznizz islam professes some strange views they reject Gods truth at so many different levels... no wonder muslims are so mixed up

[upNyaBizznizz]

@loudmouthspeaker YAHWEH gave MOSES the Spoken Word and Moses manifested IT in the flesh, because Yahweh chose the flesh of Moses to bring the Truth into the Earth! The Word became flesh and dwelt among us through the Prophets of YAHWEH, because Prophets are made of flesh! Scriptures, words or a book of words can never transform into a Man or a woman! IMPOSSIBLE. To say such a thing is beyond gibberish and complete nonsense! But We can manifest the spoken Word with our flesh and we do IT! Amen.

[loudmouthspeaker]

@upNyaBizznizz wow, no wonder islam is so mixed up how can islam even try to understand the truth of Gods Word when it comes from a different opinon and view point.... you give a clever answer but it doesnt explain Jesus as the bible says is the litteral Word of God come in the flesh.... they are one and the same...

You dont have God living within you, you havent become born again to Gods spirit...

[upNyaBizznizz]

@loudmouthspeaker GENESIS 1

1 In the beginning YAHWEH created the Heaven and the Earth!

2 And the Earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit [Power] of YAHWEH moved upon the face of the waters.

I don't see Jesus, but I believe that Our Father YAHWEH was beautiful enough to bless his billions of Angels in helping Him created. So when YAHWEH said LET there be this and LET there be that, Those were actual Commandments! Angels and Jesus helped! :)

[loudmouthspeaker]

@upNyaBizznizz 1. in the begining was God, 2) there was Gods holy spirit...3) there was Jesus...the bible states that all things were created through Jesus... you know the scriptures but i guess you reject them..the bible states that the universe was created by the spoken word and not through evolution or by angels as you suggest....

angels didnt create the universe ...that would make them like God

[loudmouthspeaker]

@loudmouthspeaker

[dawatcha100]

@loudmouthspeaker yahushua is eternal because Yah made him eternal. everything that he is, he is because of Yah so he is not equal to the most high but subordinate as he said himself: 'When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am He, and I do nothing on My own initiative, but I speak these things as the Father taught Me,'" (John 8:28).

[dawatcha100]

@lchiddle the holy spirit is not a seperate entity. it's Yah. that's why he can be grieved and can have fellowship with us. Yah is a spirit and he is holy.

[lchiddle]

@dawatcha100

The Holy Spirit is not the Father. The Holy Spirit intercedes for us to the Father.

[lchiddle]

There is an awful lot of assumption within your argumentation. There explicit passages from the Old Testament that present distinction within Yahweh. One of these is Genesis 19:24 - Then Yahweh rained on Sodom and Gomorrah sulfur and fire from Yahweh out of heaven.

If God is only a single person then what is going on here?

[dawatcha100]

@lchiddle i don't see any distinction from what u mentioned here

[lchiddle]

@dawatcha100

Gen 19:24 - Then Yahweh rained on Sodom and Gomorrah sulfur and fire from Yahweh out of heaven.

Question: who did Yahweh rain sulfur and fire from?

Don't forget Yahweh had just been with Abraham on the Earth (Genesis 18).

The same distinction can be see in Amos 4:11 speaking of the same event...

"I overthrew some of you, as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah, and you were as a brand plucked out of the burning; yet you did not return to me," declares Yahweh.

[dawatcha100]

@lchiddle ok so what does that prove? he rained fire on sodom and gomorrah but what name was used? did it say he rained fire and sulfur from yahushua from heaven or from a seperate but equal entity? no. the statement shows that he himself brought forth the fire and brimstone from the heavens and don't forget that he didn't have to be in the heavens to bring them down from the heavens.

[lchiddle]

@dawatcha100

Wow! You seriously need to know the Trinity concept if you're going to reject it, let alone try arguing against it!

Jesus is Yahweh!

[lchiddle]

The statement "The Lord is one" does not reflect singularity, but unity. This same unity is spoken of in John 17:11-23, "...that they may be one, as we are one."

The translation "one Lord" does not do justice to the Greek structure of Mark 12:29 "κύριος εἷς ἐστιν" - This literally translates "Lord one is" which demonstrates a characteristic of the Lord.

If Jesus was really say "one Lord" the Greek would simply read "ἐστιν κύριος" (one Lord).

[Butcharoooo]

yo are right thank you for making this videos i have never understood this doctrine and i never really cared about it, but now i understand and god has blessed you with the gift of interpretation

[Paulsministry]

May God bless you & keep you.  I pray that I will see you heaven. Brother Paul Shrock.

[October31st1517]

Jesus taught the doctrine of the trinity in John 15:26.

[October31st1517]

@shibakim So what you're saying is that i'm bringing my trinitarian tradition into the text. Please watch my video the ASSUMPTION of unitarianism. Unitarianism is something that must be assumed. Trinitarianism does not need to be assumed. It is spelled out for us in scripture. Would you like to discuss this further?

[dawatcha100]

Christ never claimed to be god and god never claimed to be christ. they always showed themselves to be separate and christ subjected himself to the will of the father because he is not the most high. he came from him but he is not him. I know that from all these years of pagan brainwashing this is hard to accept but it's the truth. It is blasphemy to put anyone in god's place. He stands alone. When christ was baptised is good evidence of a separation. the voice from heaven shows who christ is

[sailing19100]

@dawatcha100 also, even after the consummation of all things, when God is all in all, Jesus is still subject to God. A perfect type is how Pharoah gave Joseph all principalities and powers of the kingdom of Egypt, and told him that Joseph was his equal in all things, except the throne. Paul also goes through so much pains to show that the only reason that God created them male and female was as a type of Jesus proceeding out of God, not coeternal with him.

[lchiddle]

@sailing19100

You know the most amazing thing about 1 Corinthians 15:27-28 God requires the Son so that He maybe all in all. Without the Son, God is not complete.

[sailing19100]

@lchiddle Yes, and when Paul had his revelation, he came back from the heavenlies with "words unlawful to utter", whatever that means. He speaks of the hidden wisdom of God, so deep that most believers might not perceive or believe it. He suffered in his body "that which was lacking" in the sufferings of Christ - we are the flesh and bones of Jesus. It hints that Jesus did not come to fix anything (i.e. Adam's fall) (HERESY!!) but to finish up a very pleasing work for his Father - Rev 4:11 !

[lchiddle]

@sailing19100

I agree with every you have said except the flesh and bones bit, we are the body of Christ, this is spiritual, not physical.

[dawatcha100]

@lchiddle seriously? again i have to strongly disagree with this. elohim is complete and needing nothing. he has not at any time be incomplete. this is referring to the kingdom and rulership that was given to him by the most high. he will hand this rulership back to yhwh and subject himself and the kingdom is ruled by yhwh once again, this is obviously referring to the time after the thousand year reign of meshiach.

[lchiddle]

@dawatcha100

I completely agree with you that God is complete and needing nothing, which is why Christ must be God, because God needed Christ to reconcile God and man.

[dawatcha100]

@lchiddle god did not need christ to reconcile with man. he used him to reconcile with man. christ needed god to be created as the scripture says he is the firstfruits of Yahs creation and that in 1st corinthians 15:20-to the end u see that in the end christ submits himself to Yahs authority. so even christ is not making the claims that u are. maybe u should rethink this.

[lchiddle]

@dawatcha100

"God did not need Christ..."

- How else would God be reconciled to man? I don't think you have any idea of Yah's holiness.

"Christ needed god to be created..."

- Where does scripture say that Jesus was created? The only thing that was created about Christ is his flesh. Jesus preexists his humanity (Philippians 2:6-7, Micah 5:2).

"Christ submits himself to Yah's authority."

Amen. It's such a shame that you don't even know what you're arguing against.

[dawatcha100]

@sailing19100 right. the bible does not make the trinity clear as is said by alot of these people here. well meaning they may be but i have to disagree. like u mentioned, the messiah is referred to as the firstfruit of elohims creation. what more need be said?

[loudmouthspeaker]

@dawatcha100 i see you have lots to say but you refuse to see what the bible states about God, jesus and the Holy Ghost.. there is ample evidence in the bible to prove the different identities..

[dawatcha100]

@sailing19100 well said

[Paulsministry]

Amen brother. It is good to know that not all are "brain washed." By the way the Scriptured word for brainwashed, in this case, is "drunked with the wine of her fornication," see Rev. 17.

[wonone100]

@dawatcha100 Since when is a "voice" a person? Since when is a "dove" a person?

Th only person present at Jesus' baptism was Jesus and John and any who may have been there to watch this

Trinitys limit God to three persons not understanding who he is omnipresent..

[upNyaBizznizz]

@wonone100

LUKE 3:22 And the holy ghost descended in a bodily shape LIKE a dove upon Jesus, and the voice of Yahweh came from heaven, which said, "Thou art my beloved son; in thee I am well pleased!"

That is the accurate way to Read IT. Also Peter, John, Jesus & James went up to a mountain and Moses & Elijah came to speak with Jesus. Suddenly YAHWEH arrives in the Clouds and the disciples were terrified for their life! YAHWEH spake "This is my son Jesus, believe in him!" NO trinity in sight.

[dawatcha100]

@wonone100 i think u misunderstood my statements here. i don't believe in the trinity. i didn't say the voice was a person but that the voice came from a source other than the messiah to prove that he was chosen by god and if u are chosen by someone that being evidently has power over u.

[MegaOnegod]

but let me ask you how many ppl in the bible was put under that way? none they was all put under in the name of Jesus

[loudmouthspeaker]

hi dawatcha - Just to let you know that Jesus is God = Jesus is the Word come in the flesh... jesus is eternal.... Look in the first chapter of hebrews...

Jesus is Gods son on earth... the bible states that jesus created everything...

Jesus while on earth did the will of the father..

do you recognize the deity of Jesus? probably not.... you should have a read

[dawatcha100]

@loudmouthspeaker i have read. do u not know of the messiah as the firstfruits of gods creation? do u not know that he repeatedly made a separation between himself and the most high? please don't be arrogant just because u happen to be a trinitarian. whose will did he follow while on earth? whose voice came from the heavens when he was baptised? who does he submit himself to in 1st corinthians 15? who is he referring to as his god in revelations? if your god has a god then how is he most high?

[loudmouthspeaker]

@dawatcha100 to answer this question needs more then one single comment, the problem is rather to deny the evidence..if you accept both the old and new testement as being inspired by God then you do have a serious problem..

firstly you must accept that the entire old and testement is from God before moving on the real subject at hand.

[Paulsministry]

Jesus created everything? U have a very childlike understanding of Jesus.



[lchiddle]

@Paulsministry

John 1:3, Colossians 1:16, Hebrews 1:2, 10. No my friend, you have a poor understanding of scripture.

[Paulsministry]

I am not here to argue with U. So until I see an attitude change in U I will not address the questions to U personally. In fact I don't even desire to discuss with U. (I believe that is the reaction of God's spirit who is in me.) I will only address your questions for the sake of others who may have a humble attitude. (God resists the proud but gives grace to the humble.) Once God has been able to take U through the humbling experience then He can also open your eyes & give U light.

[lchiddle]

@Paulsministry

You mean, until I start agreeing with you. The reason I do not have a humble attitude toward what you're teaching is because, I have a humble attitude toward the God of Abraham and of the Bible, and what you teach is so contrary to scripture that I simply can condone it. My questions are genuine, and so far you are doing nothing, but attacking me personally through unnecessary insults, where you attempt to place yourself on a pedestal from me. Practice what you preach Paul.

[Paulsministry]

Ok I appreciate what U commented. If I sounded harsh then forgive me for that. If U are really God's Child then He will lead U on into all truth. Don't believe the words I speak but hear my words then liston to your heart & then U will be led into all truth. (But this is true only if U are a real Child of God & have the precious H.S.

[dawatcha100]

he didn't have to. those folllowing him knew that. It wasn't until centuries later at the council of nicea that it even became an issue. the curse goes to the lie and the liars that support it. remember:

Hear Israel YHWH our god is ONE. not 3 in one. He is complete and whole and has no need to create other manifestations of himself. Christ could have said that he was god BUT HE DIDN'T what a pitiful little web of lies you perpetuate.

Cursed be your false teachings.

[dawatcha100]

@jmhjmh5 that scripture about the three that bear witness in heaven is not in the original sources where bibles are translated. It was added by trinitarian supporters. Read revelations when the messiah speaks to the churches he says "I will make you a pillar in the temple of MY god" how does your god have a god too? he is the light and the way. If you were in a dark cave and saw in the distance a torch, would u stop at the torch believing you were free or use it to really be free?

[loudmouthspeaker]

before anyone gets started on the 1 John 5: 7 - Yes it does belong in the bible...

secondly there are three distinct personalities recorded in the bible as Jmh states....

we know that there is one God, we know that Jesus is God come in the flesh.. if jesus isnt God then who is jesus? who to then is the holy spirit? do these that reject the trinity deny that Jesus is God and that the holy spirit is God?

they must do... we know that Jesus created everything

[dawatcha100]

christ is not god. When he was baptised do you remember the voice from heaven saying "this is my SON in whom I am well pleased". do you remember christ saying that he says nothing of his own initiative but as he is commanded he speaks. He also prayed that the cup be taken away from him. Why would satan not recognize that he was god when he tempted him on the mount and offered him all the kingdoms of the world? Too many holes in this teaching. God is not the author of confusion man is.

[MegaOnegod]

i would like to open your eyes go read 1 tim.3:16 pls well i put it up here for you to see and without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. (kjv) well that said god did it all but hey wasn't Jesus the one that did all that hm that must mean one thing Jesus and God are the same just like Jesus said when he said i and my father are one

[dawatcha100]

MegaOnegod look at my other reply to loudmouth. and also read revelations christ says he will make those who endure pillars in the temple of his GOD. if he has a god who he acknowledges as his god not himself why would u do different? he was given power and authority No one has to give god anything. all things were put under his feet with the exception of the one who put them under his feet (1 corinthians 15:20-28. trinity was not taught or imagined by his followers not until council of nicea

[dawatcha100]

loudmouthspeaker i do not agree that the messiah is god. have u also read where christ says that his followers will be one with him as he is one with the father? does that mean there are more that will be added to the trinity? of course not. when he said they were one he meant united in purpose. When the man came to christ and called him good teacher christ said why do you call me good? there is only 1 who is good and that is god. Also when asked when the end would come what did he say?

[00sheilagreasley100]

Read 1st John 5:5 and you will see who Jesus is

It says Who is it that overcomes the world - He who believes that Jesus is the SON OF GOD

Have a nice day

Sheila

[dawatcha100]

@00sheilagreasley100 right the son of god. not god himself

[shibakim]

jmhjmh5

"Jesus could have said that God is THREE PERSON!" BUT HE DIDN'T! What a pitiful resonings. May God has mercy upon your soul.

[shibakim]

Amen, Jesus bless u bro. Paul. I agree with u. The Father is the Father & the Son is the Son. It can not be the Father is the Son & the Son is the Father. The same way I understand that Jesus is in me, that does not mean that I am Jesus & Jesus is me. I also have Holy Spirit in me. And that does not mean I am the Holy Spirit & the Holy Spirit is me. It's marvel that many pple can not understand but that's what it means to be drunken with the wine of her fornication(fallen Christianity), Rev.17.

[dawatcha100]

@shibakim yes. good to read u brother. may yah bless u. u have spoken truth

[fivepointbaptist]

I have responded with some videos but for some reason they will not post in "video responses." If interested in them just look me up.

[ShrockPaul]

Thank you.