The No. 1 pin wound up standing in nearly the same spot as the No. 9 pin which did not fall on its own, but knocked down by the pinsetter. Whenever a pin is knocked down by the pinsetter, it must be reset in the same spot it was knocked down in according to the rules. They were right in re-spotting the pin in the same place. Unfortunately she made a bad shot and missed the spare completely.
Given that the 9-pin was slightly off to the right upon respot, one would assume it would actually be a bit easier than normal to spare the 3-9 sleeper.
All it would've required was to have hit the 3-pin reasonably full and the spare would've been converted comfortably.
She missed them both - by quite a margin. No excuses.
@stinger19er WRONG. Before the slow motion replay, notice that the machine is knocking down the 1 -pin, which is standing in the 9-pin spot. They reset it in the 9-pin position, which is WRONG. WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE NOT UNDERSTANDING THIS SIMPLE RULE??????
@stinger19er WRONG. Before the slow motion replay, notice that the machine is knocking down the 1 -pin, which is standing in the 9-pin spot. They reset it in the 9-pin position, which is WRONG. WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE NOT UNDERSTANDING THIS SIMPLE RULE??????
Clearly after watching the video several times there was no interfence by the machine on the 1 pin. The ball upon striking the pins sent the 1 pin around the 3 pin into the 6 pin and the 1 pind de-flected off the 6 pin and took out the 9 pin and stood on the 9 pin spot then the rack came down and knocked over the 9 pin and thus the 9 pin had to be respoted not the 1 pin
@nashmarty read the whole rule book. "NOBODY" caught it because EVERYBODY understands that there was no illegal pin fall, nullifying your argument using only rule 6. Look at rule 7b: "Pins that rebound and stand on the lane must be counted as standing pins." <--this is what happened in this instance. You stated yourself that the 1-pin knocked down the 9-pin, without the help of the machine. Once the 1-pin was standing again, rule 6, simply, does not apply even though the machine hit it over.
@Lilcrazymofo Incorrect. Rule 6 always applies when the machine knocks over a pin. The machine knocked over the 1 pin, so it should have been placed back into the original position. Had the machine NOT knocked it down, it should have stood where it landed after the rebound (rule 7b). Since the machine knocked it down, rule 6 applied.
@TotalSimpleton I disagree. Any spare conversion with a sleeper pin is tougher than every noon-split two-pin spare conversion (especially a 1-3). Add the sport condition and a 3-9 conversion is even tougher. She would probably pick a 1-3 85% of the time on that condition. She would probably pick a 3-9, maybe 40% of the time.
no it was in the right place. it was put back in the exact spot the pinsetter knocked it out of. it basically turned into the 9 pin, and it should not have been put in the 1 pin spot.
@dsimon94 Not true... According to USBC Rule 6; "Illegal pinfall occurs when a pin is touched by mechanical pinsetting equipment. If an illegal pinfall occurs and the player is entitled to additional deliveries in the frame, the pin(s) illegally
knocked down must be respotted where it (they) originally stood before delivery of the ball."
The No. 1 pin wound up standing in nearly the same spot as the No. 9 pin which did not fall on its own, but knocked down by the pinsetter. Whenever a pin is knocked down by the pinsetter, it must be reset in the same spot it was knocked down in according to the rules. They were right in re-spotting the pin in the same place. Unfortunately she made a bad shot and missed the spare completely.
alterman156 7 months ago
maybe she should of made her spare....just sayin
bccarl88 1 year ago
Given that the 9-pin was slightly off to the right upon respot, one would assume it would actually be a bit easier than normal to spare the 3-9 sleeper.
All it would've required was to have hit the 3-pin reasonably full and the spare would've been converted comfortably.
She missed them both - by quite a margin. No excuses.
(PS: I like this girl's shot too)
SirDrinkalot06 1 year ago
@stinger19er WRONG. Before the slow motion replay, notice that the machine is knocking down the 1 -pin, which is standing in the 9-pin spot. They reset it in the 9-pin position, which is WRONG. WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE NOT UNDERSTANDING THIS SIMPLE RULE??????
nashmarty 1 year ago
@stinger19er WRONG. Before the slow motion replay, notice that the machine is knocking down the 1 -pin, which is standing in the 9-pin spot. They reset it in the 9-pin position, which is WRONG. WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE NOT UNDERSTANDING THIS SIMPLE RULE??????
nashmarty 1 year ago
Clearly after watching the video several times there was no interfence by the machine on the 1 pin. The ball upon striking the pins sent the 1 pin around the 3 pin into the 6 pin and the 1 pind de-flected off the 6 pin and took out the 9 pin and stood on the 9 pin spot then the rack came down and knocked over the 9 pin and thus the 9 pin had to be respoted not the 1 pin
stinger19er 1 year ago
The funny thing is, I don't even care... I was just shocked that NOBODY caught it.
nashmarty 1 year ago
@nashmarty read the whole rule book. "NOBODY" caught it because EVERYBODY understands that there was no illegal pin fall, nullifying your argument using only rule 6. Look at rule 7b: "Pins that rebound and stand on the lane must be counted as standing pins." <--this is what happened in this instance. You stated yourself that the 1-pin knocked down the 9-pin, without the help of the machine. Once the 1-pin was standing again, rule 6, simply, does not apply even though the machine hit it over.
Lilcrazymofo 1 year ago
@Lilcrazymofo Incorrect. Rule 6 always applies when the machine knocks over a pin. The machine knocked over the 1 pin, so it should have been placed back into the original position. Had the machine NOT knocked it down, it should have stood where it landed after the rebound (rule 7b). Since the machine knocked it down, rule 6 applied.
963JACKfm 1 year ago
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Lilcrazymofo 1 year ago
tougher spare than a one pin, yes.
but she missed the spare completely
not so hard that you would miss them both.
just saying.
TotalSimpleton 1 year ago
@TotalSimpleton I disagree. Any spare conversion with a sleeper pin is tougher than every noon-split two-pin spare conversion (especially a 1-3). Add the sport condition and a 3-9 conversion is even tougher. She would probably pick a 1-3 85% of the time on that condition. She would probably pick a 3-9, maybe 40% of the time.
nashmarty 1 year ago
no it was in the right place. it was put back in the exact spot the pinsetter knocked it out of. it basically turned into the 9 pin, and it should not have been put in the 1 pin spot.
dsimon94 1 year ago
@dsimon94 Not true... According to USBC Rule 6; "Illegal pinfall occurs when a pin is touched by mechanical pinsetting equipment. If an illegal pinfall occurs and the player is entitled to additional deliveries in the frame, the pin(s) illegally
knocked down must be respotted where it (they) originally stood before delivery of the ball."
nashmarty 1 year ago
@nashmarty That refers to when a pin is tipping and finally falls when the pinsetter touches it, this was done correctly
gosawkks 1 year ago