this seems very out of place in the reason.tv uploads.
Does anyone else notice that all these peoples arguments are along the lines that all this info being brought forward makes us deal more honestly with each other and other governments. Which is bad because politics is largely based on lies and pretending there is not 800lb gorilla in the room as long as everyone secretly agrees that it's invisible.
I know it's idealistic but is blunt honesty too much to ask for in relationships abroad.
Although the views expressed here are not as disgusting and inflammatory as expressed by several politicians and pundits, whether on TV,radio,print or online,they are still fallacious and with little merit, which makes me the first time I thumb down a ReasonTV video. Very disappointing.
Entertainment. That's what Assflange and his goons are about for most people. It's not very entertaining for those people in Afghanistan who've bravely fought for their freedom and worked with Coalition forces. Their lives are in danger now.
And just to highlight the fantastic hypocrisy of this psychopathic attention whore now the Guardian has, erm, LEAKED private details about Assflange he doesn't like it one bit. His layers are calling for an investigation to prosecute the leaker. *facepalm*
"Pot calling kettle, pot calling kettle: you're black!"
Lady justice may be a slow walker, but she catches up with you eventually.
I think it's a perfectly reasonable to give honor Assange and Manning as heros for bringing diplomatic flyers to light while simultaneously being vilified for identifying "strategic points of interest"
@successfulbuild Wrong. Rand rightly identified libertarians as hippies of the right: amoral whim worshipers with no understanding of individual rights who believe anything goes. Reason Magazine's deification of Assflange and his attempts to undermine every action the US government takes (while being praised that ex-KGB thug Putin) is proof positive of this. The US government may not be perfect, but it is the police and armed forces who are protecting your freedom, like it or lump it.
@SpellboundSolution The Iraq war and the interventions around the world made me LESS safe, not more safe. Had the US not been dealing over in the Middle East supported dictatorial regimes at the expense of the people in those countries 9/11 would have never happened. The US should have left the people in the ME alone to find their own way, as the people in Indonesia did after Suharto (who killed 500,000 people) was removed from power when the US stopped supporting him.
@successfulbuild Well that explains why the US hasn't seen a single terrorist attack in NINE YEARS. Sorry to disappoint you but the cycle of appeasement leads to insecurity, punching your enemies in the nose puts a stop to their bullying. I learned that in junior school: it's amazing how weak those invincible bullies become when you give them a quick punch and it's amazing how strong they become the more you put up with their bullying. BTW 9/11 happened because of Islam not the US.
@SpellboundSolution Assange is not a Libertarian. Whatever crimes he did by hosting classified information should be tried in court, however, since all he did was host information and he is not a citizen of the US he CANNOT be tried as a traitor to the US.
@successfulbuild Well thanks for putting words in my mouth. I never said Assflange was a traitor I simply stated the truth: he is anti-American - praise from Vladimir Putin proves that beyond a shadow of a doubt. And I also pointed out another truth: Reason Magazine will not have a bad said about Assflange no matter what he does. Too many libertarians have become members of the Assflange personality cult.
I enjoyed Heather Hulburt's analysis quite a bit, I'll have to go look her up see if I can find more interviews. In general I agree with most of the other commentators, the interview editing seems anti-wikileaks biased, but I didn't think the video was badly done or grossly inaccurate. So I liked the video.
well ReasonTV - the poor ratings on this page shouldn't be too much of a surprise. We are, after all, watching this show on the internet - one which all viewers here hope remains free and open.
The only real thing Julian has done is reveal our (USA) dirty laundry. Wouldn't have been a problem if we didn't have any. Like your local law enforcement detective or national security agent will tell you - "If you aren't guilty of anything then you have nothing to hide."
Why all of the dislikes? Because these people take a nuanced stance and do not canonize a self-declared anarchist? This is a really good, realistic, balanced view of what Wikileaks means in the long term. As Bastiat said with regard to economics, the unseen costs and side-effects of an action are at least as important as the visible ones.
@Wormtail81 It's because Wikileaks supporters are taking a George Bush-esque stance on people replying to them. You're either with them 100% or you're the enemy... No neutrality or rational thought allowed.
Eli Lake's point was extremely important and you people are missing it. If Julian Assange was *neutral* and exposed documents from every other government, then I would totally support him. He's just an anti-American, whereas I'm anti-secrecy. Know the difference.
@Mastikator so far it's been disproportionately American. I'm fine with American criticism. Our government is flawed. It's still better than China and Russia. If Assange starts putting out leaks on the shitty things that those govts do, I will be the first person to let him hide and sleep in my attic like Anne fucking Frank.
@sugarkang Watch the video where he talks in TEDTalk, he criticizes many governments in the middle east saying that they're incredibly corrupt and deceiving their own people is the norm there.
When you associate ideas like this with Reason, it makes those of us who are actually rational look bad.
Anybody forget about freedom of speech? You know, that whole 1st Amendment thing? Americans I believe - by and large support this man. Those of us who aren't socialist.
@601373 1st Amendment doesn't apply here, this man is not speaking out against the war he is disclosing classified material at the time of war, that's espionage, information-terrorism and possibly treason (as far as Australia concerned). Who told you most Americans support this man? Liberal elites at New York Times or you've seen some sort of poll on on moveon dot org and just assumed that's what most americans think?
@CaMaster his leaks on Afghans, Iraqis & other local informants/allies who assisted US military in intelligence gatherings WILL be killed, that's as plain as that, I call it info-terrorism by assisting terrorists in winning the war. Australia is US's coalitionist on War in Iraq & Afghanistan, there are thousands of Australian troops operating there, so as far as Australia concerned this could be construed as treason, though I doubt it, since Assange is a civilian & received files from 2nd party
@CaMaster Opinions wise: According to a telephone survey of 1,029 US residents age 18 and older, conducted by the Marist Institute for Public Opinion in December 2010, Americans are overwhelmingly critical of WikiLeaks. The poll found that 70 percent of respondents think the leaks are doing more harm than good by allowing America's enemies to see confidential and secret information about U.S. foreign policy
Revealing the location of critical info structure, like where malaria vaccines are made is the very definition of information terrorism. What the hell does he have to do. Walk to Osama Bin Laden and hand him a list titled, "200 terrorist target suggestions?" It's basically what he did, except he gave it to every person who has access to the Internet.
You know it really takes away your credibility when you assume that all Americans voted for Obama. Nobody is hurt when governments are made to be transparent. It allows for better accountability, and let's us hold our public officials accountable to the laws they are sworn to uphold. Regardless of whether or not there is a war going on, that doesn't justify the government lying to it's citizens or withholding information. You must be used to believing everything your govt tells you
Julian Assange may have his own agenda, but according to the libertarian ethic: The State is a criminal therefore its potential victims deserve complete gov. transparency. Any action taken by the people to throw the government off of its game is a right and a moral good.
State secrecy has produced the kind of foreign policy that has led us to war TIME AND TIME AGAIN. State secrecy always hurts our security. I may not like Julians' ideology, but he is doing the world a favor.
Not only does Assange embarrass corrupt governments but puts the mainstream media to shame. All these hypocrites are so afraid to speak out the truth and talk bullshit. The impact will be the decline of elite slave-drivers and inveterate journalists. The age of bullshit kings (government and MSM) will decline drastically and you guys will be cleaning the White House toilettes!
The assurance that the more informal aspects of diplomacy will never be public knowledge is conducive to resolving disagreements between states. If diplomats are restricted to speaking in platitudes like politicians and press secretaries, diplomacy will be fruitless. Assange is a fuckstick.
LOLOL someone should slap all these people. This video is embarrassing. For a bunch of self-professed "libertarians", Reason's people sound like statists ALL THE TIME.
You can agree with openness and transparency, and even the stated purpose of Wikileaks, while at the same time realizing Assange is a narcissist and a technocratic neophyte. Some of these people made some very valid criticisms of Assange and how he operates Wikileaks. The guy is obviously not for openness and is instead advocating an agenda, and he does a horrible job of operating his cause célèbre.
I hope someone truly for openness and transparency arrives with a competing organization.
He may very well be a "narcissist and a technocratic neophyte",but that bears zero relevance to the validity of the evidence Wikileaks brings forth.Assange's character is of secondary importance here,if any.
And speaking of "competing organization",there are indeed competing organizations forming, as we speak. Among them are OpenLeaks(By former Wikileaks employee and critic of Assange, if that makes you feel better), IndoLeaks, BrusselsLeaks and BalkanLeaks. The more, the merrier.
there is a mainstream media to air these views. jack hunter aka the southern avenger, has a much better take on wikileaks from a conservative/libertarian position
All the 'experts' interviewed, basically mirrored the same shit the Mainstream pundits are saying. At least the Mainstream Media pundits weren't goofy looking while being deluded.
While I think these people are traitors and terrorists, the people in this video do not strike me as qulalifying as experts. Amateur opinions at best.
Very very disappointed by this compilation by Reason TV...
I'm a constitutionalist, nationalist & free market advocate, but even I see that Assange's organization is exposing global corruption by many governments. These people here are all insider statists quaking in their boots at the prospect of people being informed of out of control, unethical and immoral govts the world over.
This is one of the worst Reason TV pieces I've seen to date.
Assange is anti-American and wanted to create chaos but he has strangely done good for the USA! We can clean house with this information. The Obama regime will just have to suck it up.
Assange contacted our Govt and blurred out names and places so as not to endanger lives. It was Bradley Manning who stole the files, not Assange.
@LibertySole Agreed. Reason is run by the libertarians that were rejected by the Mises.org people. They can't hack it with the big boys because they actually are closet statists. This is why they have largely been left out of the resurgent interest in libertarian philosophy.
Wikileaks is just blown out of proportion, we all knew what was happening behind the scenes it is just that we didn't talk about it too much now we are just talking about it. Wikileaks revealed nothing new to the world. For those who think it brought new info well then you need to read history and news papers
Wow, way to pander to Statism. Where did you guys find these brainless academics? WikiLeaks is a free speech issue, not an entertainment or national security issue. Keeping things secret is the business of a government. Once the cat is out of the bag, how 3rd parties distribute that information is their own business.
Wikileaks is nothing more than an anti-american hardleft organization. Why dont they even try exposing the horrible things that go on in Iran, Cuba, North Korea, China and others ??? They hide behind caring for human rights and humanity as a whole but they reallly dont because they are attacking the one and only country that has always sents its young men and women to fight and give their lives not only to preserve our freedoms in this country but to liberate enslaved & oppressed populations.
@Z14LDO Did it ever occur to you that leaks from Iran, Cuba, and North Korea are kind of difficult to come by? Do you really believe that they wouldn't publish those records if they could get them?
If you would read the cables, you would see that they call out many more countries than just the united states. Read something and research it before you jump to conclusions.
I see now, you view this from a US vs THEM mindset wrapped in fervent nationalism. See the problem with that view is it negates the fact that we are one species and that we deserve to know what any power structure is up too regardless of whether it makes them look bad. We need evidence of our government looking bad so that we can correct it. No one ever got anywhere by ignoring the facts because it conflicts with their dogma and preconceived notions about the world....
I like wikileaks, I really do. But Assange is really just a little crazy. He has alienated a ton of people previously involved in his group. And I don't get why he focuses on the US. Hey, expose us, but don't forget about the worse things that get covered up in other countries, such as China.
When did it become acceptable to brand truth as treason, and publishers as terrorists? When did exposing the truth become an act of terrorism? What does it say about the future of American liberty when our government talks openly about censoring the internet, murdering journalists, and redefining the English language in order to make it legal?
Whether you love Wikileaks or hate it, who's the bigger threat to your freedom? Julian Assange or the US government?
who's the bigger threat to your freedom? Julian Assange or the US government?
The US government, but lets not kid ourselves by thinking that a significant part of this 2000 document leak puts a bulleyes on American allies and infrastructure and does little to nothing to premote the point of the 1st amendment. Which is to allow the free flowing movement of ideas and provide the general public with the information needed to make an informed vote.
Let's not kid ourselves, I agree. But the reality is there is no solid evidence that anyone has been harmed by the release of these documents, but the leaks do reveal thousands of cases of civilians being harmed by the US government. The point of the first amendment is not to facilitate democracy but to to keep government power in check; the state does not and should not have veto power over the truth.
@littlebier8 I love it when people always start their comments like that. Kind of like when people said "I know Saddam was a bad guy but..." Yeah, leaking the names of people in Afghanistan who've helped Coalition forces is not gonna do any harm to anyone, is it?
Seems like you've put a lot of thought into that position.
@littlebier8 Leaking the names of informants who are helping the Coalition is not an act of "whistleblowing" to further the sacred cause of "government transparency" it's designed to undermine the efforts of people who are fighting and dying to protect our freedoms as you sit comfortably before your computer praising the man trying to destroy them. And in answer to your question: if a man is being praised by Vladimir Putin I'd say he's a fantastic threat to our freedom.
Talking heads to tell me how I think? Yuck. This is why I don't watch network TV. Who cares what these guys/gals think? I don't. 4 minutes in, I'm on to the next video.
The first one is a total idiot... HE HAS EXPOSED OTHER GOVERNMENTS AND COMPANIES before and in this leak. The US leaks have hurt other governments just as much as the American government. The reason they have leaked so much documents from the US is because the united states have fucked up. Their security have sucked and they did things horrible enough for the person handling their data to motivate him to leak it. Wikileaks isn't the one that leaked it you know...
I think it is interesting how regular subscribers to this channel are condemning this video because it did not include someone with a libertarian perspective. I thought it was a great video that highlights others' views on this subject. You should already know what your principles are. You don't need some one to represent them in this video in order to appreciate the value of understanding the different opinions of others.
@AAovieAAan - I (and perhaps others) dislike this because it's obvious that the speakers don't know what's been leaked in the past (on Russia & China), etc.
The bottom line is, it should NOT be a surprise that all politicians are pathological liars, psychopaths, mass murderers, thieves, easily corruptible, greedy, monsters. The politicians already understand this fact. They all stab each other in the back and brown nose at the same time. No relationships between nations have been compromised. The leaders already know, they are all the same. It's only the news media that's oblivious.
I totally agree with the last statement, he dropped the ball in his delivery. I think Assange did the most damage to himself when he held hostage the Bank of America and other company documentation if he was to be arrested, it undeniably made him look like a cyberthug like everyone was saying.
"Assange is a deluded anarchist" Nothing else this fat cum stain has to say interests me. Not only does he make a strawman to immediately dismiss the merit of the leaks, he also uses "anarchist" as a pejorative. Of course this weasel hates Assange, he's just another shitty "journalist" who is in bed with the politicians. If this silly cum eater wants dirt on Iran or China, then he should dig for it himself. But he can't because he's a failure at his job.
Who put you guys up to this video your government? Entertainment you say? The slaughtering of innocence for all the wrong reasons is entertainment. Wow! You people are either very smart or extremely lost! Wikileaks is and will expose more info from other countries give it a chance these things take time. But we need to get over the kaos of the bank leaks first be patient!
@MooseOfReason Well think about it. Without a secretive tyrannical government Reason TV would have less or no right to exist. They're protecting themselves by empowering the state
I suspect a lot of these "thumbs down" votes are from people who haven't watched the whole video. There are four people interviewed in total, with different ideas on what the leaks mean and what the results of the disclosure could be.
@therealmarcus Yep, because the government SHOULD keep information secret for our own good. What are you? One of those Bush Era war hawks who actually believes these wars benefit us? Look, I don't trust Assange either, but you're nuts.
That's right what don't these neo-cons understand. There is no point to AfPak or Iraq, Islamic fundamentalism is solely the response to American bases and troops within Islamic countries.
And why are those troops in countries such as Saudi Arabia? Hmm perhpas it was because of their crackpot neighbor Saddam Hussein....
But that would mean the Iraq war would make sense....
Terminating thought pattern.....Re-downloading talking points from DCCC....
Cite the evidence that Assange is an anarchist. I am so sick of hearing this assertion, as if it were fact, when no facts are offered in the assertion.
@Omroon I think this is a needed bunch of interviews because it's giving a reasonable argument against (or not for) Wikileaks - a position monopolized by morons like Huckabee calling for the death penalty and "treason" charges against a foreign national.
Now, I don't completely agree with the views of some of these people but I've not heard their expressed view points before from anywhere else.
What makes you think they are stupid or "without brains?"
Julian Assange is another stooge in a long line of stooges used to make people think they stand a chance against the NWO. Wikileaks is just a scarecrow, an effigy, to be used on the pyre of internet freedom/freedom of speech.
@Maat922 i hear what you're saying about assange.... but of course we stand a chance... there's billions of us, and only thousands of them... jesus man.
@studentofsmith Lol it's not that they're "giving you hope", they're just giving you that "they're being opposed", when in actually, they run their own opposition. It's a concept called "controlled opposition". Look it up.
In the process, you become relaxed about things (because someone's out there takin' em down!"), and it's business as usual for them.
@Maat922 First you say Julian Assange is a stooge to make people think they stand a chance against the NWO and when I point out that makes no sense you try to convince me he's controlled opposition.
You won't discredit him so easily. What evidence do you have that proves he's controlled opposition?
"EVERYTHING IS AN INSIDE JOB. EVEN ALEX JONES IS AN INSIDE JOB. ALIEN SATANIST REPTILE JEWS WORKING FOR THE CIA ARE TRYING KILL US ALL. JULIAN ASSANGE IS REALLY WORKING FOR GEORGE SOROS AND BY EXPOSING THE GOVERNMENT FLAWS IT WILL IN TURN MEAN THAT PEOPLE WILL GIVE UP THEIR RIGHTS".... F*cktard
No, when you're trying to imitate someone, namely psychopaths like Alex Jones, its important to remember how they wold talk. Alex Jones tends to yell and so capital letters are important to the imitation. BTW I don't use cap locks because I can type and use the shift key just as efficiently.
Lol, "deluded anarchist". Has anyone even been to the site or read the articles? "My Administration is committed to creating an unprecedented level of openness in Government.... Openness will strengthen our democracy and promote efficiency and effectiveness in Government." ~Barack Obama
The only thing Julian Assange did was what no one else wanted to do.
@CaMaster You actually believe what politicians say in their marketing campaigns? What transparency? Full transparency & diplomatic process are incompatible, what you basically saying, in practice, if CIA tells president in private that current Russian president is "Robin" or "puppet" of previous president Putin who really the one making the shots, then US government should follow with open Q&A with the press & tell Amercans & the rest of the world "This just in: we think Mydvedyev is a PUSSY"
Go read the articles and leaks, The United States was not the only subject of the leaks. Learn semantics; find out what the word terrorism means. Another public opinion poll allowed Bush/Obama to become president so public opinion polls don't really tell you anything other than what's popular. No I don't believe everything I'm told. I actually go out and research what's going on in the world; I don't just spew rhetoric I heard on TV or what some well known guy in a suit said.
what is good or bad nowadays? I'll say people are waking up to the fact that Wikileaks show several governments (USA, Russia, China are just some examples) have some skeletons in their closet. But who can we really trust? Yes, Assange has done some great things in exposing crap of our government, but can this can be done deliberately and done as a part of a bigger plan?
The argument that the leaks will just make security tighter etc. is absolutely retarded. This is like saying if a bully is roughing me around that I shouldn't hit him back because he might get angry. Democracies are supposed to be for us, completely funded by us so the idea that there is stuff we don't need to know is pure horse shit and anyone who believes that is just a mindless slave. As long as there are masters, you're just fucking slaves. Philosophically bankrupt bunch of drones.
@StraightFromTheAbove Reason is libertarian but libertarians often identify more with conservatives since there is a great deal of overlap in their economic viewpoints. That being said libertarian viewpoints on social issues; drugs, prostitution, gay marriage; are often more in line with traditional liberal positions.
True. Another reason i've found that libertarians tend to associate with conservatives is that generally speaking (just my experiance) they are more open to it.
I've seen most conservatives essentially say "I disagree with you here, but I'll give you credit on this point."
Liberals, on the other hand, tend to be (i repeat, just in my experiance) seem to think that if you don't agree with everything they say they view you as an enemy or avoid the topic of politics altogether.
@studentofsmith To a degree yes, but the answers are different. While the conservative is more concerned with his firearm, the Libertarian is more concerned with property in general; which both sides of the state eventually violate somewhere in their derailing. They don't separate economics from social issues, they are one in the same. Fragmented liberty eventually shatters itself, leaving you with nothing over time. Just look at marijuana and the wars with the left establishment.
Statist conservatives with libertarian undertones to appear hip and on the fringe. They're not completely biased so I can't hate. At least they weren't like, "JULIAN ASSANGE SHOULD BE PUT TO DEATH FOR TREASON", like every other mainstream media outlet.
I hate when people like me who are against the american government are called "anti-American". I am an American. Fuck you Republican dude in the orange sweater.
Is it even PROVEN that Julian Assange is an actual anarchist? Or this just some bullshit right-wing talking point because, "He wants to bring down gov't"? I don't see how simply leaking documents that are damaging to governmental credibility makes you an anarchist. I've done a lot of reading on what REAL anarchists believe, and it's a lot more complicated than that. They don't simply want gov't to go away just so they can do whatever they want and have chaos. come on, right-wing fucks...
The Wash Times guy bitches about how Wikileaks "doesn't go after the Chinese or Russians" and thinks that just b/c he exposes the AMERICAN gov't, he's "anti-American"? If that's the case, then I am anti-American as well, aren't I? I'm against the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan after all. All the protesters are "anti-American." It's funny how narrow-minded right-wingers are when it comes to "patriotism". If you don't fit their very small box, you're "a traitor." Sickening
Right-wingers HATE government... until they get to the issue of war and defense. Then they're its biggest defenders. It's so laughable. They hate gov't doing stuff for the poor and helping out average Americans get through financial crises, but god forbid you expose the gov't on foreign affairs, which has way more damaging consequences on the world stage.
Julian Assange doesn't expose Russia or China because THEY'RE NOT ACTING LIKE WORLD POLICE and shit like the American gov't.
I think you missed the point by quite a large margin.
If you are protesting 'war' as a concept (you'd be delusional but thats another argument) then you are not being 'anti-american' because your complaints apply equally to others.
Similarly if you have the aim of bringing truth to power across the world, yet you focus SOLELY on the most open government in the world, well , your either lazy/incompetent or just anti-American.
Should a Government be able to keep a Top Secret File on, say, Iran’s nuclear progress and the undercover operations involved? I’d say yes. Could a Government abuse this secrecy for breaking laws and forwarding their own goals, say, manipulating evidence to start a war? I’d say yes. So there's your age old question, which is worse, and where do we draw the line. THAT’s what this debate should have been about, not mindless national security arguments.
Wikileaks just needs to be more careful about what it releases. Even if you do view the united states as an enemy, the consequences of damaging America's diplomatic relations could seriously outweigh any benefits.
@fegolem Wikileaks probably isn't avoiding China, Russia, Korea, etc. They can only release what they get and they probably haven't gotten any secret info from those countries. They probably only got it from the U.S. because the U.S. is utterly incompetent when it comes to security. Case in point = TSA.
And one more thing. The single most important fact exposed by these leaks is the government's utter incompetence when it comes to security. And if you think I'm full of shit, go down to your local airport and watch that incompetence it in action. If the govmt had any humility, it would be apologizing rather than trying to place the blame elsewhere.
Assange has invented an entirely new approach to investigative journalism where the source data is made available directly to the public. As with all new things, everyone and his brother is an expert on how it could have been done better never mind that, up to now, it hadn't been done at all.
I have lost faith in the independence, objectivity, and accuracy of the mainstream press, so I relish having access to raw data.
Is this "Reason" tv selling out? I think so. Don't dare question the divine authority of the state! Tyranny of data points? So telling the truth is tyranny? And what is liberty? Being a good slave? Double speak much?
Where is the Austrian Perspective? They would wipe the floor with these Statists imbeciles constantly appealing to emotion and using many other logical fallacies. "Experts." Deluded, fringe, outside the box, so much for advocating a free society. Lets keep the dirt under the rug.
What Assange did was akin to letting someone know their lover has been cheating on them. The reaction on the part of the recipient of the bad news depends on whether or not they are willing to let go of the delusion that their mate was faithful to them. Overwhelmingly, I'd say the public and media clearly prefer the delusion.
To me, this is the first disappointing video I've seen come out of Reason.
Good discussion. The points made by Aftergood (what an unfortunate name) were especially cogent in terms of the intent of Wikileaks being good, but the execution quite flawed, especially in the latest release of diplomatic cables.
@zetsway5000 Actually its not most, its a minority. Most are anti-statist thanks to the Austrian School of Economics and discovering what are the errors of classical liberalism came to be, refer to Hans Hoppe if you are wondering. /watch?v=pzglDS88u50
@zetsway5000 Peter Schiff "might" be but not Ron Paul. He opposes taxation entirely, as well as any force association, he wants competition in everything: money, governance with law. In fact if you have a chat with many supposed minarchists even they don't support the "necessary evil".
Most the Austrians today are no longer minarchist, Lew Rockwell is a "conservative anarchist", Tom Woods, Murray Rothbard, Thomas DiLorenzo, Hans Hoppe, Roderick Long, Douglas French are also market anarchists.
Reason I love you but please come on please be more fare to Wiki-Leaks here.
Confederalist 7 months ago
this seems very out of place in the reason.tv uploads.
Does anyone else notice that all these peoples arguments are along the lines that all this info being brought forward makes us deal more honestly with each other and other governments. Which is bad because politics is largely based on lies and pretending there is not 800lb gorilla in the room as long as everyone secretly agrees that it's invisible.
I know it's idealistic but is blunt honesty too much to ask for in relationships abroad.
Berelore 9 months ago
WTF Reason TV?!
ogrish84 1 year ago
Although the views expressed here are not as disgusting and inflammatory as expressed by several politicians and pundits, whether on TV,radio,print or online,they are still fallacious and with little merit, which makes me the first time I thumb down a ReasonTV video. Very disappointing.
Akatam0t0ma 1 year ago
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Akatam0t0ma 1 year ago
Look at Reason now. All over the government's cock.
OpenInsanity 1 year ago
Entertainment. That's what Assflange and his goons are about for most people. It's not very entertaining for those people in Afghanistan who've bravely fought for their freedom and worked with Coalition forces. Their lives are in danger now.
SpellboundSolution 1 year ago
And just to highlight the fantastic hypocrisy of this psychopathic attention whore now the Guardian has, erm, LEAKED private details about Assflange he doesn't like it one bit. His layers are calling for an investigation to prosecute the leaker. *facepalm*
"Pot calling kettle, pot calling kettle: you're black!"
Lady justice may be a slow walker, but she catches up with you eventually.
SpellboundSolution 1 year ago
I think it's a perfectly reasonable to give honor Assange and Manning as heros for bringing diplomatic flyers to light while simultaneously being vilified for identifying "strategic points of interest"
thequietkid10 1 year ago
Julian is a warrior against illegal wars and corporate abuses.
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ReasonTV is a Randian-Objectivist pro-corporate cesspool
successfulbuild 1 year ago
@successfulbuild Wrong. Rand rightly identified libertarians as hippies of the right: amoral whim worshipers with no understanding of individual rights who believe anything goes. Reason Magazine's deification of Assflange and his attempts to undermine every action the US government takes (while being praised that ex-KGB thug Putin) is proof positive of this. The US government may not be perfect, but it is the police and armed forces who are protecting your freedom, like it or lump it.
SpellboundSolution 1 year ago
@SpellboundSolution The Iraq war and the interventions around the world made me LESS safe, not more safe. Had the US not been dealing over in the Middle East supported dictatorial regimes at the expense of the people in those countries 9/11 would have never happened. The US should have left the people in the ME alone to find their own way, as the people in Indonesia did after Suharto (who killed 500,000 people) was removed from power when the US stopped supporting him.
successfulbuild 1 year ago
@successfulbuild Well that explains why the US hasn't seen a single terrorist attack in NINE YEARS. Sorry to disappoint you but the cycle of appeasement leads to insecurity, punching your enemies in the nose puts a stop to their bullying. I learned that in junior school: it's amazing how weak those invincible bullies become when you give them a quick punch and it's amazing how strong they become the more you put up with their bullying. BTW 9/11 happened because of Islam not the US.
SpellboundSolution 1 year ago
@SpellboundSolution Assange is not a Libertarian. Whatever crimes he did by hosting classified information should be tried in court, however, since all he did was host information and he is not a citizen of the US he CANNOT be tried as a traitor to the US.
successfulbuild 1 year ago
@successfulbuild Well thanks for putting words in my mouth. I never said Assflange was a traitor I simply stated the truth: he is anti-American - praise from Vladimir Putin proves that beyond a shadow of a doubt. And I also pointed out another truth: Reason Magazine will not have a bad said about Assflange no matter what he does. Too many libertarians have become members of the Assflange personality cult.
SpellboundSolution 1 year ago
I enjoyed Heather Hulburt's analysis quite a bit, I'll have to go look her up see if I can find more interviews. In general I agree with most of the other commentators, the interview editing seems anti-wikileaks biased, but I didn't think the video was badly done or grossly inaccurate. So I liked the video.
Sparkygravity 1 year ago
Dear Lord, the Congressional Hearing on WikiLeaks was more libertarian than this round of clowns!
uschiotze 1 year ago
Hurrah for conservatardism
trentmanslow 1 year ago
Why did you invite these Wilsonians?
rumco 1 year ago
well ReasonTV - the poor ratings on this page shouldn't be too much of a surprise. We are, after all, watching this show on the internet - one which all viewers here hope remains free and open.
The only real thing Julian has done is reveal our (USA) dirty laundry. Wouldn't have been a problem if we didn't have any. Like your local law enforcement detective or national security agent will tell you - "If you aren't guilty of anything then you have nothing to hide."
redthor77 1 year ago 2
Why all of the dislikes? Because these people take a nuanced stance and do not canonize a self-declared anarchist? This is a really good, realistic, balanced view of what Wikileaks means in the long term. As Bastiat said with regard to economics, the unseen costs and side-effects of an action are at least as important as the visible ones.
Wormtail81 1 year ago
@Wormtail81 It's because Wikileaks supporters are taking a George Bush-esque stance on people replying to them. You're either with them 100% or you're the enemy... No neutrality or rational thought allowed.
kazriko 1 year ago
@kazriko
Or in other words 99% of all discourse of all all political issues on the internet.
thequietkid10 1 year ago
Eli Lake's point was extremely important and you people are missing it. If Julian Assange was *neutral* and exposed documents from every other government, then I would totally support him. He's just an anti-American, whereas I'm anti-secrecy. Know the difference.
sugarkang 1 year ago
@sugarkang ...wikileaks does expose documents from other governments.
Mastikator 1 year ago
@Mastikator so far it's been disproportionately American. I'm fine with American criticism. Our government is flawed. It's still better than China and Russia. If Assange starts putting out leaks on the shitty things that those govts do, I will be the first person to let him hide and sleep in my attic like Anne fucking Frank.
sugarkang 1 year ago
@sugarkang Watch the video where he talks in TEDTalk, he criticizes many governments in the middle east saying that they're incredibly corrupt and deceiving their own people is the norm there.
Mastikator 1 year ago
@Mastikator Saw that months ago. Like I said, if he starts putting out docs from Russia and China, I will support him.
sugarkang 1 year ago
Oh sh1t... where did they found those idiots?
Voy2378 1 year ago
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ejohnwright 1 year ago
When you associate ideas like this with Reason, it makes those of us who are actually rational look bad.
Anybody forget about freedom of speech? You know, that whole 1st Amendment thing? Americans I believe - by and large support this man. Those of us who aren't socialist.
601373 1 year ago
@601373 1st Amendment doesn't apply here, this man is not speaking out against the war he is disclosing classified material at the time of war, that's espionage, information-terrorism and possibly treason (as far as Australia concerned). Who told you most Americans support this man? Liberal elites at New York Times or you've seen some sort of poll on on moveon dot org and just assumed that's what most americans think?
mowgly3000 1 year ago
@mowgly3000
Information Terrorism? How is exposing the truth without shedding any blood or using any scare tactics considered terrorism?
Treason? He's not even a United States citizen, how can this be treason?
Liberal elites? You've got to be kidding me, this man is getting shit from both sides of the political spectrum.
Blinding ignorance does mislead us. O! Wretched mortals, open your eyes!- Leonardo da Vinci
CaMaster 1 year ago
@CaMaster his leaks on Afghans, Iraqis & other local informants/allies who assisted US military in intelligence gatherings WILL be killed, that's as plain as that, I call it info-terrorism by assisting terrorists in winning the war. Australia is US's coalitionist on War in Iraq & Afghanistan, there are thousands of Australian troops operating there, so as far as Australia concerned this could be construed as treason, though I doubt it, since Assange is a civilian & received files from 2nd party
mowgly3000 1 year ago
@CaMaster Opinions wise: According to a telephone survey of 1,029 US residents age 18 and older, conducted by the Marist Institute for Public Opinion in December 2010, Americans are overwhelmingly critical of WikiLeaks. The poll found that 70 percent of respondents think the leaks are doing more harm than good by allowing America's enemies to see confidential and secret information about U.S. foreign policy
mowgly3000 1 year ago
@CaMaster
Revealing the location of critical info structure, like where malaria vaccines are made is the very definition of information terrorism. What the hell does he have to do. Walk to Osama Bin Laden and hand him a list titled, "200 terrorist target suggestions?" It's basically what he did, except he gave it to every person who has access to the Internet.
thequietkid10 1 year ago
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CaMaster 1 year ago
@thequietkid10
Osama bin laden? Get the heck out of here with that boogie man crap.
CaMaster 1 year ago
@mowgly3000
You know it really takes away your credibility when you assume that all Americans voted for Obama. Nobody is hurt when governments are made to be transparent. It allows for better accountability, and let's us hold our public officials accountable to the laws they are sworn to uphold. Regardless of whether or not there is a war going on, that doesn't justify the government lying to it's citizens or withholding information. You must be used to believing everything your govt tells you
601373 1 year ago
ReasonTV: this is the best 4 """experts""" on this issue you could come up with - seriously?
8897670 1 year ago 3
Julian Assange may have his own agenda, but according to the libertarian ethic: The State is a criminal therefore its potential victims deserve complete gov. transparency. Any action taken by the people to throw the government off of its game is a right and a moral good.
State secrecy has produced the kind of foreign policy that has led us to war TIME AND TIME AGAIN. State secrecy always hurts our security. I may not like Julians' ideology, but he is doing the world a favor.
CircleBastiat 1 year ago
Give the first guy a donut!
Not only does Assange embarrass corrupt governments but puts the mainstream media to shame. All these hypocrites are so afraid to speak out the truth and talk bullshit. The impact will be the decline of elite slave-drivers and inveterate journalists. The age of bullshit kings (government and MSM) will decline drastically and you guys will be cleaning the White House toilettes!
SuperXwriter 1 year ago 2
"four experts".... I chuckled.
SkepticalMuffin 1 year ago
Is Reason a Source for Libertarianism? Four Shills on Our Statist Future
revelationary 1 year ago 3
Wikileaks is bigger than any one man.
1961raver 1 year ago
The assurance that the more informal aspects of diplomacy will never be public knowledge is conducive to resolving disagreements between states. If diplomats are restricted to speaking in platitudes like politicians and press secretaries, diplomacy will be fruitless. Assange is a fuckstick.
ThadiusSLove 1 year ago
Four experts on wikiLeaks ? More like three experts and ringo starr!
Pentazoid111 1 year ago
Fuck you reason tv I am now un subscribing
somethingoriginal2 1 year ago
LOLOL someone should slap all these people. This video is embarrassing. For a bunch of self-professed "libertarians", Reason's people sound like statists ALL THE TIME.
AndyMackenZ 1 year ago
You can agree with openness and transparency, and even the stated purpose of Wikileaks, while at the same time realizing Assange is a narcissist and a technocratic neophyte. Some of these people made some very valid criticisms of Assange and how he operates Wikileaks. The guy is obviously not for openness and is instead advocating an agenda, and he does a horrible job of operating his cause célèbre.
I hope someone truly for openness and transparency arrives with a competing organization.
ls1z28chris 1 year ago
@ls1z28chris:
He may very well be a "narcissist and a technocratic neophyte",but that bears zero relevance to the validity of the evidence Wikileaks brings forth.Assange's character is of secondary importance here,if any.
And speaking of "competing organization",there are indeed competing organizations forming, as we speak. Among them are OpenLeaks(By former Wikileaks employee and critic of Assange, if that makes you feel better), IndoLeaks, BrusselsLeaks and BalkanLeaks. The more, the merrier.
Akatam0t0ma 1 year ago
The Cock Brothers strike again, their "Libertarianism" wrapped in Statism.
M14Mann 1 year ago 3
there is a mainstream media to air these views. jack hunter aka the southern avenger, has a much better take on wikileaks from a conservative/libertarian position
58robbo 1 year ago
He can only leak what is given to him.
Come on Chinese, People of Iran, Russia, The Church, Oil, Banks, and other World Rulers.
Sunlight....... Booo!
If you do nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide.
Then there is GWBush who put out on the Internets plans in arabic on how to make a nuke.
FOX has done more damage to America then WikiLeaks can ever do.
FlowerClown 1 year ago
@FlowerClown exactly!
58robbo 1 year ago
@FlowerClown Our gov't has done more damage to America than WikiLeaks could ever do.
tesla921 1 year ago
@tesla921 Yes it has with help from FOX and others.
FlowerClown 1 year ago
All the 'experts' interviewed, basically mirrored the same shit the Mainstream pundits are saying. At least the Mainstream Media pundits weren't goofy looking while being deluded.
TheObjectiveReality 1 year ago
While I think these people are traitors and terrorists, the people in this video do not strike me as qulalifying as experts. Amateur opinions at best.
tjttzcspplt 1 year ago
Very very disappointed by this compilation by Reason TV...
I'm a constitutionalist, nationalist & free market advocate, but even I see that Assange's organization is exposing global corruption by many governments. These people here are all insider statists quaking in their boots at the prospect of people being informed of out of control, unethical and immoral govts the world over.
This is one of the worst Reason TV pieces I've seen to date.
kmg501 1 year ago 4
Assange is anti-American and wanted to create chaos but he has strangely done good for the USA! We can clean house with this information. The Obama regime will just have to suck it up.
Assange contacted our Govt and blurred out names and places so as not to endanger lives. It was Bradley Manning who stole the files, not Assange.
cloudberry121 1 year ago
Mises.org > Reason.tv
LibertySole 1 year ago 15
@LibertySole x1,000.
TheObjectiveReality 1 year ago
@LibertySole Agreed. Reason is run by the libertarians that were rejected by the Mises.org people. They can't hack it with the big boys because they actually are closet statists. This is why they have largely been left out of the resurgent interest in libertarian philosophy.
AndyMackenZ 1 year ago
@LibertySole All the way.
BIackOp 1 year ago
Wikileaks is just blown out of proportion, we all knew what was happening behind the scenes it is just that we didn't talk about it too much now we are just talking about it. Wikileaks revealed nothing new to the world. For those who think it brought new info well then you need to read history and news papers
dynomyght 1 year ago
Wow, way to pander to Statism. Where did you guys find these brainless academics? WikiLeaks is a free speech issue, not an entertainment or national security issue. Keeping things secret is the business of a government. Once the cat is out of the bag, how 3rd parties distribute that information is their own business.
FlowCell 1 year ago 2
How does Reason find such articulate people who are so clearly retarded?
032125 1 year ago 3
WTF? it's the American way. You get your privacy invaded. Get over it Hairily Clitton.
bigsexyinsect 1 year ago
Wikileaks is nothing more than an anti-american hardleft organization. Why dont they even try exposing the horrible things that go on in Iran, Cuba, North Korea, China and others ??? They hide behind caring for human rights and humanity as a whole but they reallly dont because they are attacking the one and only country that has always sents its young men and women to fight and give their lives not only to preserve our freedoms in this country but to liberate enslaved & oppressed populations.
Z14LDO 1 year ago
@Z14LDO Did it ever occur to you that leaks from Iran, Cuba, and North Korea are kind of difficult to come by? Do you really believe that they wouldn't publish those records if they could get them?
032125 1 year ago
@032125 wikileaks should think of alll the the gains mandkind would make if they even tried to.
Z14LDO 1 year ago
@Z14LDO
If you would read the cables, you would see that they call out many more countries than just the united states. Read something and research it before you jump to conclusions.
CaMaster 1 year ago
@CaMaster Im sure they are aiding the enemies of those countries in the same ways wikileaks is aiding the taliban and afghanistan.
Z14LDO 1 year ago
@Z14LDO
I see now, you view this from a US vs THEM mindset wrapped in fervent nationalism. See the problem with that view is it negates the fact that we are one species and that we deserve to know what any power structure is up too regardless of whether it makes them look bad. We need evidence of our government looking bad so that we can correct it. No one ever got anywhere by ignoring the facts because it conflicts with their dogma and preconceived notions about the world....
CaMaster 1 year ago
I like wikileaks, I really do. But Assange is really just a little crazy. He has alienated a ton of people previously involved in his group. And I don't get why he focuses on the US. Hey, expose us, but don't forget about the worse things that get covered up in other countries, such as China.
Nonoyawns 1 year ago
When did it become acceptable to brand truth as treason, and publishers as terrorists? When did exposing the truth become an act of terrorism? What does it say about the future of American liberty when our government talks openly about censoring the internet, murdering journalists, and redefining the English language in order to make it legal?
Whether you love Wikileaks or hate it, who's the bigger threat to your freedom? Julian Assange or the US government?
littlebier8 1 year ago 17
@littlebier8
who's the bigger threat to your freedom? Julian Assange or the US government?
The US government, but lets not kid ourselves by thinking that a significant part of this 2000 document leak puts a bulleyes on American allies and infrastructure and does little to nothing to premote the point of the 1st amendment. Which is to allow the free flowing movement of ideas and provide the general public with the information needed to make an informed vote.
thequietkid10 1 year ago
@thequietkid10
Let's not kid ourselves, I agree. But the reality is there is no solid evidence that anyone has been harmed by the release of these documents, but the leaks do reveal thousands of cases of civilians being harmed by the US government. The point of the first amendment is not to facilitate democracy but to to keep government power in check; the state does not and should not have veto power over the truth.
littlebier8 1 year ago
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@littlebier8 I love it when people always start their comments like that. Kind of like when people said "I know Saddam was a bad guy but..." Yeah, leaking the names of people in Afghanistan who've helped Coalition forces is not gonna do any harm to anyone, is it?
Seems like you've put a lot of thought into that position.
SpellboundSolution 1 year ago
@littlebier8 Leaking the names of informants who are helping the Coalition is not an act of "whistleblowing" to further the sacred cause of "government transparency" it's designed to undermine the efforts of people who are fighting and dying to protect our freedoms as you sit comfortably before your computer praising the man trying to destroy them. And in answer to your question: if a man is being praised by Vladimir Putin I'd say he's a fantastic threat to our freedom.
SpellboundSolution 1 year ago
@SpellboundSolution
Seems like you've put a lot of thought into that position.
littlebier8 1 year ago
Talking heads to tell me how I think? Yuck. This is why I don't watch network TV. Who cares what these guys/gals think? I don't. 4 minutes in, I'm on to the next video.
Sally0h 1 year ago 3
The first one is a total idiot... HE HAS EXPOSED OTHER GOVERNMENTS AND COMPANIES before and in this leak. The US leaks have hurt other governments just as much as the American government. The reason they have leaked so much documents from the US is because the united states have fucked up. Their security have sucked and they did things horrible enough for the person handling their data to motivate him to leak it. Wikileaks isn't the one that leaked it you know...
agtheking 1 year ago 3
I think it is interesting how regular subscribers to this channel are condemning this video because it did not include someone with a libertarian perspective. I thought it was a great video that highlights others' views on this subject. You should already know what your principles are. You don't need some one to represent them in this video in order to appreciate the value of understanding the different opinions of others.
AAovieAAan 1 year ago
@AAovieAAan - I (and perhaps others) dislike this because it's obvious that the speakers don't know what's been leaked in the past (on Russia & China), etc.
MiranUT 1 year ago
The bottom line is, it should NOT be a surprise that all politicians are pathological liars, psychopaths, mass murderers, thieves, easily corruptible, greedy, monsters. The politicians already understand this fact. They all stab each other in the back and brown nose at the same time. No relationships between nations have been compromised. The leaders already know, they are all the same. It's only the news media that's oblivious.
DeimosSaturn 1 year ago
I totally agree with the last statement, he dropped the ball in his delivery. I think Assange did the most damage to himself when he held hostage the Bank of America and other company documentation if he was to be arrested, it undeniably made him look like a cyberthug like everyone was saying.
loszhor 1 year ago
"Assange is a deluded anarchist" Nothing else this fat cum stain has to say interests me. Not only does he make a strawman to immediately dismiss the merit of the leaks, he also uses "anarchist" as a pejorative. Of course this weasel hates Assange, he's just another shitty "journalist" who is in bed with the politicians. If this silly cum eater wants dirt on Iran or China, then he should dig for it himself. But he can't because he's a failure at his job.
DeimosSaturn 1 year ago
Who put you guys up to this video your government? Entertainment you say? The slaughtering of innocence for all the wrong reasons is entertainment. Wow! You people are either very smart or extremely lost! Wikileaks is and will expose more info from other countries give it a chance these things take time. But we need to get over the kaos of the bank leaks first be patient!
Nice acting thou! :0/
MyMeditrax 1 year ago
Why wasn't there someone from Reason Foundation as one of the experts?
MooseOfReason 1 year ago
@MooseOfReason Well think about it. Without a secretive tyrannical government Reason TV would have less or no right to exist. They're protecting themselves by empowering the state
asalade 1 year ago
Sorry, 20 seconds of Eli Lake and I had to kill the vid.
furyofbongos 1 year ago
I still don't think Wikileaks unleashed anything that is a surprise for anyone.
Overall, I'd say they do more good than harm.
Steve83B 1 year ago
When the government unearths information on the people that was meant to be kept secret, they call it justice.
When the people unearth information on the government that was meant to be kept secret, they call it espionage, terrorism, etc.
We are all equal. But some are more equal than others. Hmm... I wonder if that's why police are referred to as "The Pigs?" Sure fits, though!
JETZcorp 1 year ago
@JETZcorp
I thought pigs were capitalists.
I love pigs.
4gl2u 1 year ago
I suspect a lot of these "thumbs down" votes are from people who haven't watched the whole video. There are four people interviewed in total, with different ideas on what the leaks mean and what the results of the disclosure could be.
Crawdaddy79 1 year ago
Throw Assange in Gitmo and waterboard him every day for the rest of his life.
therealmarcus 1 year ago
@therealmarcus Yep, because the government SHOULD keep information secret for our own good. What are you? One of those Bush Era war hawks who actually believes these wars benefit us? Look, I don't trust Assange either, but you're nuts.
Garboth 1 year ago
@Garboth
That's right what don't these neo-cons understand. There is no point to AfPak or Iraq, Islamic fundamentalism is solely the response to American bases and troops within Islamic countries.
And why are those troops in countries such as Saudi Arabia? Hmm perhpas it was because of their crackpot neighbor Saddam Hussein....
But that would mean the Iraq war would make sense....
Terminating thought pattern.....Re-downloading talking points from DCCC....
mctarmac10 1 year ago
Cite the evidence that Assange is an anarchist. I am so sick of hearing this assertion, as if it were fact, when no facts are offered in the assertion.
tsummerlee 1 year ago 3
@tsummerlee Because Eli Lake is a deluded statist.
Garboth 1 year ago
Reason, do some good interviews, with people with brains, this channel is in quality free fall.
Omroon 1 year ago 29
@Omroon I think this is a needed bunch of interviews because it's giving a reasonable argument against (or not for) Wikileaks - a position monopolized by morons like Huckabee calling for the death penalty and "treason" charges against a foreign national.
Now, I don't completely agree with the views of some of these people but I've not heard their expressed view points before from anywhere else.
What makes you think they are stupid or "without brains?"
ZombieX13 1 year ago
I haven't heard 1 thing that surprised or shocked me in wikileaks. So far it's simply brought to light what most in the media know already.
And I don't think he's solely anti American. Why would he expose Saudi Arabia's fear of Iran?
LibertyDownUnder 1 year ago
Julian Assange is another stooge in a long line of stooges used to make people think they stand a chance against the NWO. Wikileaks is just a scarecrow, an effigy, to be used on the pyre of internet freedom/freedom of speech.
Maat922 1 year ago
@Maat922 i hear what you're saying about assange.... but of course we stand a chance... there's billions of us, and only thousands of them... jesus man.
tmac9938 1 year ago
@Maat922 Why would the NWO want to give us hope? Wouldn't their takeover be much easier if we gave up hope and stopped resisting?
The only logical conclusion is that YOU are an agent of the NWO who is trying to convince us there is no hope!
Ha! You've been exposed! Get out of here! We won't fall for your lies!
studentofsmith 1 year ago
@studentofsmith Lol it's not that they're "giving you hope", they're just giving you that "they're being opposed", when in actually, they run their own opposition. It's a concept called "controlled opposition". Look it up.
In the process, you become relaxed about things (because someone's out there takin' em down!"), and it's business as usual for them.
Maat922 1 year ago
@Maat922 First you say Julian Assange is a stooge to make people think they stand a chance against the NWO and when I point out that makes no sense you try to convince me he's controlled opposition.
You won't discredit him so easily. What evidence do you have that proves he's controlled opposition?
studentofsmith 1 year ago
@Maat922
"EVERYTHING IS AN INSIDE JOB. EVEN ALEX JONES IS AN INSIDE JOB. ALIEN SATANIST REPTILE JEWS WORKING FOR THE CIA ARE TRYING KILL US ALL. JULIAN ASSANGE IS REALLY WORKING FOR GEORGE SOROS AND BY EXPOSING THE GOVERNMENT FLAWS IT WILL IN TURN MEAN THAT PEOPLE WILL GIVE UP THEIR RIGHTS".... F*cktard
CaMaster 1 year ago 3
@CaMaster Capslock is a little button on the left side of your keyboard, next to the "A" key. Turn it off.
032125 1 year ago
@032125
No, when you're trying to imitate someone, namely psychopaths like Alex Jones, its important to remember how they wold talk. Alex Jones tends to yell and so capital letters are important to the imitation. BTW I don't use cap locks because I can type and use the shift key just as efficiently.
CaMaster 1 year ago
Lol, "deluded anarchist". Has anyone even been to the site or read the articles? "My Administration is committed to creating an unprecedented level of openness in Government.... Openness will strengthen our democracy and promote efficiency and effectiveness in Government." ~Barack Obama
The only thing Julian Assange did was what no one else wanted to do.
CaMaster 1 year ago 38
@CaMaster Yep, no reason to believe he's an anarchist, but every reason to believe Eli Lake is a deluded statist.
Garboth 1 year ago
@CaMaster So agree with your thoughts here. Unravelling the intricacies of deceptions is an honorable action.
jungian9111 1 year ago
@CaMaster You actually believe what politicians say in their marketing campaigns? What transparency? Full transparency & diplomatic process are incompatible, what you basically saying, in practice, if CIA tells president in private that current Russian president is "Robin" or "puppet" of previous president Putin who really the one making the shots, then US government should follow with open Q&A with the press & tell Amercans & the rest of the world "This just in: we think Mydvedyev is a PUSSY"
mowgly3000 1 year ago
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CaMaster 1 year ago
@mowgly3000
Go read the articles and leaks, The United States was not the only subject of the leaks. Learn semantics; find out what the word terrorism means. Another public opinion poll allowed Bush/Obama to become president so public opinion polls don't really tell you anything other than what's popular. No I don't believe everything I'm told. I actually go out and research what's going on in the world; I don't just spew rhetoric I heard on TV or what some well known guy in a suit said.
CaMaster 1 year ago
Where's Glenn Greenwald?
jvittetoe 1 year ago
thumbs up
yougiberishtube 1 year ago
what is good or bad nowadays? I'll say people are waking up to the fact that Wikileaks show several governments (USA, Russia, China are just some examples) have some skeletons in their closet. But who can we really trust? Yes, Assange has done some great things in exposing crap of our government, but can this can be done deliberately and done as a part of a bigger plan?
b07rivera 1 year ago
The argument that the leaks will just make security tighter etc. is absolutely retarded. This is like saying if a bully is roughing me around that I shouldn't hit him back because he might get angry. Democracies are supposed to be for us, completely funded by us so the idea that there is stuff we don't need to know is pure horse shit and anyone who believes that is just a mindless slave. As long as there are masters, you're just fucking slaves. Philosophically bankrupt bunch of drones.
ryinski2 1 year ago
Is Reason libertarian or conservative?
StraightFromTheAbove 1 year ago 2
@StraightFromTheAbove There's barely any difference.
ryinski2 1 year ago
@StraightFromTheAbove Reason is libertarian but libertarians often identify more with conservatives since there is a great deal of overlap in their economic viewpoints. That being said libertarian viewpoints on social issues; drugs, prostitution, gay marriage; are often more in line with traditional liberal positions.
studentofsmith 1 year ago
@studentofsmith
True. Another reason i've found that libertarians tend to associate with conservatives is that generally speaking (just my experiance) they are more open to it.
I've seen most conservatives essentially say "I disagree with you here, but I'll give you credit on this point."
Liberals, on the other hand, tend to be (i repeat, just in my experiance) seem to think that if you don't agree with everything they say they view you as an enemy or avoid the topic of politics altogether.
TombaFanatic 1 year ago
@studentofsmith To a degree yes, but the answers are different. While the conservative is more concerned with his firearm, the Libertarian is more concerned with property in general; which both sides of the state eventually violate somewhere in their derailing. They don't separate economics from social issues, they are one in the same. Fragmented liberty eventually shatters itself, leaving you with nothing over time. Just look at marijuana and the wars with the left establishment.
BIackOp 1 year ago
@StraightFromTheAbove
Statist conservatives with libertarian undertones to appear hip and on the fringe. They're not completely biased so I can't hate. At least they weren't like, "JULIAN ASSANGE SHOULD BE PUT TO DEATH FOR TREASON", like every other mainstream media outlet.
CaMaster 1 year ago
Whoever with Reason arranged the "experts" really dropped the ball. Where's even the nominal defender of Wikileaks?
HMSPolychrest 1 year ago
I hate when people like me who are against the american government are called "anti-American". I am an American. Fuck you Republican dude in the orange sweater.
capitalist4life 1 year ago
This is horrible.
BMWg84 1 year ago
Washington Times? Oh, god..
whoo689 1 year ago
Is it even PROVEN that Julian Assange is an actual anarchist? Or this just some bullshit right-wing talking point because, "He wants to bring down gov't"? I don't see how simply leaking documents that are damaging to governmental credibility makes you an anarchist. I've done a lot of reading on what REAL anarchists believe, and it's a lot more complicated than that. They don't simply want gov't to go away just so they can do whatever they want and have chaos. come on, right-wing fucks...
whoo689 1 year ago
The Wash Times guy bitches about how Wikileaks "doesn't go after the Chinese or Russians" and thinks that just b/c he exposes the AMERICAN gov't, he's "anti-American"? If that's the case, then I am anti-American as well, aren't I? I'm against the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan after all. All the protesters are "anti-American." It's funny how narrow-minded right-wingers are when it comes to "patriotism". If you don't fit their very small box, you're "a traitor." Sickening
whoo689 1 year ago 3
@whoo689 I call them nationalists, its more fitting.
BIackOp 1 year ago
Right-wingers HATE government... until they get to the issue of war and defense. Then they're its biggest defenders. It's so laughable. They hate gov't doing stuff for the poor and helping out average Americans get through financial crises, but god forbid you expose the gov't on foreign affairs, which has way more damaging consequences on the world stage.
Julian Assange doesn't expose Russia or China because THEY'RE NOT ACTING LIKE WORLD POLICE and shit like the American gov't.
whoo689 1 year ago
@whoo689
I think you missed the point by quite a large margin.
If you are protesting 'war' as a concept (you'd be delusional but thats another argument) then you are not being 'anti-american' because your complaints apply equally to others.
Similarly if you have the aim of bringing truth to power across the world, yet you focus SOLELY on the most open government in the world, well , your either lazy/incompetent or just anti-American.
mctarmac10 1 year ago
@whoo689 Did you somehow get the impression that everybody subscribed to this channel agrees with Eli Lake?
4gl2u 1 year ago
More secrecy and more security. yay!
carehappens 1 year ago
Should a Government be able to keep a Top Secret File on, say, Iran’s nuclear progress and the undercover operations involved? I’d say yes. Could a Government abuse this secrecy for breaking laws and forwarding their own goals, say, manipulating evidence to start a war? I’d say yes. So there's your age old question, which is worse, and where do we draw the line. THAT’s what this debate should have been about, not mindless national security arguments.
wimscheers 1 year ago 4
Assange could be an operative. Who really knows who is who.
carehappens 1 year ago
Wikileaks just needs to be more careful about what it releases. Even if you do view the united states as an enemy, the consequences of damaging America's diplomatic relations could seriously outweigh any benefits.
dadrogon 1 year ago
I kinda agree with the first guy at the beginning. What Julian did should also be done to China and Korea and Iran and Russia, et al.
fegolem 1 year ago
@fegolem Wikileaks probably isn't avoiding China, Russia, Korea, etc. They can only release what they get and they probably haven't gotten any secret info from those countries. They probably only got it from the U.S. because the U.S. is utterly incompetent when it comes to security. Case in point = TSA.
davekrueger 1 year ago
I know who funds you and it doesn't suprise me that you would put garabe on like this.
mathers3000 1 year ago
What is this stupid garbage. Continue putting crap out like and I will UNSUBSCRIBE. We already have biased fox putting stupid shit out like this.
mathers3000 1 year ago
In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
George Orwell
qpwnsall 1 year ago
Worst...experts...ever
yytrert 1 year ago 2
And one more thing. The single most important fact exposed by these leaks is the government's utter incompetence when it comes to security. And if you think I'm full of shit, go down to your local airport and watch that incompetence it in action. If the govmt had any humility, it would be apologizing rather than trying to place the blame elsewhere.
davekrueger 1 year ago
@TheDrunkenCabDriver
Libertarian =/= anarchist nor neo-con.
elsquibbs 1 year ago
@elsquibbs wikipedia(dot)org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism
BIackOp 1 year ago
Assange has invented an entirely new approach to investigative journalism where the source data is made available directly to the public. As with all new things, everyone and his brother is an expert on how it could have been done better never mind that, up to now, it hadn't been done at all.
I have lost faith in the independence, objectivity, and accuracy of the mainstream press, so I relish having access to raw data.
davekrueger 1 year ago
Washinton Times (!) and Aftergood, oh GAWD I waited for this??
And no talk about the heavy-handed crackdown.
And the Chinese Gov't WAS embarassed by other Wikileaks leaks. OMG, ALL COUNTRIES ARE FRENEMIES!!
Zakdayak 1 year ago
Is this "Reason" tv selling out? I think so. Don't dare question the divine authority of the state! Tyranny of data points? So telling the truth is tyranny? And what is liberty? Being a good slave? Double speak much?
Where is the Austrian Perspective? They would wipe the floor with these Statists imbeciles constantly appealing to emotion and using many other logical fallacies. "Experts." Deluded, fringe, outside the box, so much for advocating a free society. Lets keep the dirt under the rug.
BIackOp 1 year ago 3
What Assange did was akin to letting someone know their lover has been cheating on them. The reaction on the part of the recipient of the bad news depends on whether or not they are willing to let go of the delusion that their mate was faithful to them. Overwhelmingly, I'd say the public and media clearly prefer the delusion.
To me, this is the first disappointing video I've seen come out of Reason.
davekrueger 1 year ago
Perfect example of "inside the beltway" libertarians. They talk the talk until the establishment is threatened.
RangerKozak 1 year ago 6
Good discussion. The points made by Aftergood (what an unfortunate name) were especially cogent in terms of the intent of Wikileaks being good, but the execution quite flawed, especially in the latest release of diplomatic cables.
RedTory59 1 year ago
@TheDrunkenCabDriver
Being for government doesn't make you a neo-con. Most libertarians are minachrists.
zetsway5000 1 year ago
@zetsway5000 Actually its not most, its a minority. Most are anti-statist thanks to the Austrian School of Economics and discovering what are the errors of classical liberalism came to be, refer to Hans Hoppe if you are wondering. /watch?v=pzglDS88u50
BIackOp 1 year ago
@BIackOp
Being for Austrian school economics does not make you an anarchist. I'm a minachrist and for Austrian school.
zetsway5000 1 year ago
@zetsway5000 Still, minarchists are not a majority anymore. The economic case of a territorial monopoly and of taxation shows this.
BIackOp 1 year ago
@BIackOp
Yes they are. Anarchists are just the vocal minority. Even Ron Paul and peter schiff are minachrists.
zetsway5000 1 year ago
@zetsway5000
How is Ron Paul a minachrist?
VirtualInsanity91 1 year ago
@zetsway5000 Peter Schiff "might" be but not Ron Paul. He opposes taxation entirely, as well as any force association, he wants competition in everything: money, governance with law. In fact if you have a chat with many supposed minarchists even they don't support the "necessary evil".
Most the Austrians today are no longer minarchist, Lew Rockwell is a "conservative anarchist", Tom Woods, Murray Rothbard, Thomas DiLorenzo, Hans Hoppe, Roderick Long, Douglas French are also market anarchists.
BIackOp 1 year ago