You people need to take physics in school. lol!! When you shoot liquids - ie water - the high velcoity round transmits a "shockwave" thru the water creating overpressure causing the target to burst. When you shoot solids like ice, the shockwave doesn't travel outward so you have simple bullet displacement. A small HMR bullet displaces a small amount of target causing a small hole or blowing a small chunk out if it doesn't fully penetrate.
Ice is the worst thing to shoot at with a rifle. The ice compresses and will cause the round to bounce back at you. The chunk you are using is not thick enough to cause a bounce back. One time I had a block of ice about six inches thick, it was a old butter bowl which had filled with water then froze solid. I took the ice block out of the bowl and turned it up on its edge like what you where shooting at. The bullet compressed the ice and came right back at me hitting me in the leg drawin blood.
@MrSimonGirty Thanks for that bit of info. I have never really researched the properties of ice as a target, and this is the only piece I've ever shot. I may have done just what you did if you hadn't warned me.
I really like the 17 HMR. Like all rounds it has its limitations. On a windy day it stays in the gun safe. Like all 17 caliber rounds you have to keep it real clean and for those that say it is not accurate. Mine with the right rounds will shoot into 1/2 inch at 100 yards. Like all weapons, some rounds will work better than others.
Ice is a horrible medium for impact damage. I am not sure what the average Joe can use to determine a better round from different 17 grain projectiles. An inch thick piece of ice is definitely not it. Good luck.
"It just made a hole through it" and "there's no discernible difference
[between the 1st and 2nd shots]."
-You people are clueless. Next time, why don't you choose something even thinner? Perhaps you can try paper or tinfoil, and you could then remark just as incredulously about how the .17HMR only makes a small hole.
the ice was fuckin 3 cm thick what the hell do you expect? use about a foot of ice and youll notice a difference. also using phone books works to see how much penatraition your getting, how much fragmentation your bullet leaves, and in a half hour or so u can find the ammo you like best
Use a thicker block of ice next time. The round just needs more time/room to work its magic. Ice kind of sucks by the way. You will have much more fun with beer cans filled with water.
Some people say that the .17 HMR is unsuitable for Coyote hunting, but I say it depends on your skill. I have no doubt that through proper shot placement, the .17 HMR round will cleanly down a Coyote within reasonable distance.
Definitely, especially with the marlin 917v with a heavy barrel and a good scope. Headshots won't be an issue, they are areal tack driver. People are taking hogs and the like with this caliber.
@Shooter12point7 if you have good shot placement a good old .22 will takedown pretty much anything, over the years it has taken down many deer goats pigs and roo
@Shooter12point7 Yeah alot of people dont know what the hell their talking about too. Alot of bs talk gets shoved around in gun shops by people who have never even hunted anything with the caliber they talk about. The .17 is fine for coyotes, the only limiters are the range. Its just a necked down .22 mag for the most part so if your pushing anything past 150-200yds Id just step up to a economical .223 for yotes
@bvogt123 Where in upsate NY? I am living in upstate NY now too, and I have a Savage .17 HMR FVSS with a 4-16/40 scope, and it's a tack-driver when it comes to accuracy. Where do you usually go?
@bvogt123 where abouts in upstate new york? thats where we are from, and my brother uses his .17 HMR when we go out coyote hunting, these guns are rediculously accurate with the right scope, and contrary to popular beliefe the heavier and faster the bullet does not make a difference, shot placement is the key to everything, a well placed head shot will put a coyote down, and within range a well placed vital shot that does not hit the shoulder bone, the HMR will also put a coyote down
The reason a backwords round words to pierce armor is simple. upon impact the flatened end of the (older style non boat tail) round would splinter... fragmenting.. however the center of the round would remain in tact as it strikes dead on becoming sort of a SLAP round (Sabot Light Armor Piercing) as the core now has a smaller surface area it has greater energy hence its able to puncture armor
Actually no it had less penetration capability but when the flat base would strike the plate the energy would be almost completely dumped into the plate causing the back side to fragment spraying the enemy with shards. If used facing forwards the point of the bullet would mushroom on impact delivering much less energy.
are you talkin their manufactured rounds or their bullets? Ive been loading their 90 grain spitzer tip hollow point and i forget the powder (maybe imr) not sure, but ive been getting the best groupings ive seen out of my savage .270
Manufactured rounds. never tried reloads due to that reason. Always gone with Vmax for all of our reloads up to 7mm. That's for the hunting rounds anyway, cheap soft nose bullets for target practice.
Hollow charge? What's that? You're not confusing that with an early hollowpoint round, perhaps? And not also making the mistake of thinking that a hollowpoint design improves penetration on a target?
I heard it too, and while i find it unlikely (And damn dangerous if it was done) it made the round act sort of like a squash head round, causing shrapnell to be blown lose on the enemy side of an enemy snipers metal cover plate, and injuring him that way rather than by penetration.
True or not, i have no idea. But it sounds fishy, even if technicaly possible i guess.
test fail. Try a large block of ice or jugs of water... the thin sheet of ice used doesn't show the capabilitys of the bullets well, the thin ice is like shooting at a paper target the holes are going to be pretty similar. Good vid though.
My father used to tell me that if you cut an X into the end of a hollow point with a pocket knife that the projectile would expand even further. I don't know how true this is but I do know it seems fairly dangerous.
It makes good sense. Some types of hollow points come pre-fragmented so they will expand and fragment faster than normal. If you did it yourself, you'd just have to be careful not to bludgeon the bullet where it would obstruct the barrel. The only other way it might fail to work safely is if you cut too deeply and the bullet comes apart before it gets out of the barrel, or while it's in the air.
They used to do it in WW2 actually, it's true. But i don't think you should deform the bullet too much. It may be dangerous. Just lighlty engraving an "x"on the tip of the bullet is enough
That's to thin of an object for the hollow points to take effect, as far as I know. Plus they're meant to have a mushroom effect after they penetrate skin.
I was kind of expecting the V-max bullets to have a different effect than the hollow points. In my experience, V-max bullets are extremely frangible, breaking apart very quickly after hitting almost any material. But like you say, the ice was just too thin for either bullet to expand or fragment noticeably.
Tell me you're not serious. Please, for your own sake, be joking. You can't just post such an uneducated comment for a video like this, and not expect to get hammered by people who shoot real guns for pleasure. If you are serious about joining the armed forces, you need to get your firearm info from somewhere other than a video game or TV show. If you really want to know what a hollowpoint is, and what it's used for, send me a private message.
Umm... It's a war crime to use any other bullet then a full metal jacket... just patching you up there... and a hollow point, would defiantly not pass through armer....
lmao hollow point for penetrating armour? wtf kind of drugs you on? hollow point are designed to mushroom out and cut a bigger hole not penetrate armor you tark.
I dont care what the projectile is designed to do, you put enough velocity behind it, it will penetrate armor. Apparently you have never shot a real gun. Put down the game boy and go outside.
BTW, projectiles do not "cut", and the "hole" is a wound cavity.
if u had a thicker piece of ice it would have better chance of shattering , the projectile exits before it has a chance to fragment or expand depending on what projectile u use, so give it a go with a thicker piece of ice.
Sorry, I'm just trying to spread the word. The gov't is corrupt... (but everyone all ready knew that) I love my 17hmr! I wish I had more time, and a better place to use it. I have a savage 93r17 and I can shoot an egg at 200yds.
The 17 is going so fast it won't break the ice. I had the same result with fixed skeet. The had little .17 holes in them. Killer! I wish I could find a good pistol for this round.
If you want to do that, look at, "Cheeper then Dirt. Com" They sell Flechetts, a steel dart that fits into a 12ga round. They have little spurs on the back end like an arrow so they fly well. Crazy!! One round of that will clear an entire room, and probably the room across the street.
I got an idea for that a while back when I saw them in the CTD mail catolog. I was thinking about making my own flechette shells, but I found some pre-loaded ones at the local gun shop. They are $14 for three shells though. LOL. I would probably buy them instead of trying a wacky experiment.
it might not do much to ice but try shooting a bird with it. it will probly exploadif u hit it good lol! i nicknamed my .17hmr the poofmaster lol cause every time i shoot a bird all i see is a cloud of fethers lol
Last time I shot at ice I had found a aluminum saucepan full of slightly melted ice, but I shot it with a .223 loaded with 69 grain Sierra Match King hollow points, and it punched through the ice, and took the whole bottom of the pan out.
It's pretty heavy, but it's a 1 in 8" twist barrel. Very accurate at longer ranges. As for velocity, I'd say it's somewhere in the 2800 to 3000 fps area out of a 20" AR-15. I handload them a little hotter than that for my bolt-action, though.
Hmmm. I bet I could do that with 20 grain FMJ in my .17 HMR. LOL. I've never tried a real paper group with my .17 either. All I know is that no matter how far something is, I can generally hit it with my .17. It's very accurate and long-range for a rimfire.
I think it'd be getting a little tough at that range to knock out the centers. I'm going to bring paper along next time, and with any luck maybe the whole range'll be open. The way it's set up is requires that everyone shoot from the same distance, and there was someone goofing around with their Saiga 12 last time we were there.
I see. Maybe you can catch it fully open sometime. Ha. I wish I could goof around with my Saiga 20 sometime. It's a great little gun. Very compact, easy to aim, and doesn't kick at all - even with rifled slugs (which is my favorite load for it).
That's what everyone says about them. I picked up a Saiga in .308, and it was less than dependable. Short stroked or jammed at least once per 8 round magazine. I recently did get a new gas piston for it, and lapped it into the gas block, so hopefully it'll cycle reliably now.
Yeah, my Saiga 20 would be the greatest if it didn't jam with regular shells. It will jam with cheap shells, such as those in 100 round value packs. It does great with slugs, buckshot, and duck loads. There is a screw to adjust the gas for light or heavy loads, but it just doesn't matter with some shells. They jam anyway.
I tried different things in mine. I had purchased a battle pack of 147 grain ammunition with the rifle, and that stuff was terrible. Then I ordered a few boxes of Fiocchi, and that couldn't do it either. There was a sale on Silver Bear, and after trying that, it was just as bad as the battle pack. The piston had quite a bit of play in it, though, even with the bolt forward. I'm hoping it was just a loose piston.
I was thinking about getting a Saiga 12 at the next show if there's any left.
Well, if the Saiga 12 is like the 20, be prepared for a lot of jamming. It is really annoying. I have used Remington Game Loads, and Winchester Universal Value Pack shells, and they both jam in my 20. All slugs and buckshot seem to do fine. Remington Gun club or any expensice shells do fine too. A Saiga 12 would be really cool though. Yeah, you should grab one if you can. It can't be too bad. Maybe Ismash fixed the jamming problem since I got my 20.
thank u youtube for posting these videos of .17 calibers u inspired me to purchase one because i hav a very sick dog and i took him in the backyard and shot him one time in the chest and now he doesnt need to suffer n e more
even if he wasnt joking... whats more humane.. putting your own animal down (your responsibility) or taking your dog to a place its not used to.. and handing the responsibility over to someone else to do.
Well... I probably couldn't do it to an animal I loved. And if I did, I'd go right for the brain stem, not the chest. A shot to the brain stem would have been instant lights-out for the animal. But wow, what a great comment to post. Makes us gun types seem just great. :S
Cool. I've shot coins before too, but I swear, I've never been able to find them after I shoot 'em. Have you recovered any, and what effect did the bullet have? Just cut a clean hole through it, like when you shoot thin steel?
Cool. 14, eh? Its always great to hear of younger people interested in shooting, instead of offended at the very mention of the word "gun." I often worry that the shooting sports are slowly being erased by media lies about firearms. But you've given me a ray of hope. BTW, is a .17 HMR your first gun?
Cool. I own a .22 LR rifle, .17 HMR rifle, 20 gauge shotgun, 12 gauge shotgun, 7.62x54R rifle, 7.62x39mm rifle, .177 air rifle (lol) and .177 pellet pistol. I've never shot any centerfire pistols other than a 9mm and .25 auto. I've never fired a .223 rifle either.
shhh... kinda illegal (not one to talk myself though) ya .17HMR just punches through stuff I cant wait till I get mine I shot my buddys for a few days and dang I'm hooked it may start going out places I'd take my .22Mag....
Yeah, I guess I'd need a more flesh-like medium to tell any difference. The results were similar when I shot a piece of mild steel. The bullets just don't have a chance to expand with these rigid materials.
ya, I would put a notebook about 6 inches in front a wooden board, with a backstop behind that incase in goes through both. They you can look at the tips them selves. :)
My ass. Have you ever even shot a .17 HMR? I could outshoot a .22 LR any day with my
.17 HMR. More energy, more accuracy, more range, more penetration. The only advantage the .22 LR cartridge has over almost every other cartridge in the world is being dirt cheap.
lol, why you say that because of the higher number? .17 hmr is like 10x more powerfull sorry. know more about guns b4 posting about guns! I own about every cal rifle and hand gun from 22lr to 50 bmg.
Ha, ha. They did that on Mythbusters one time to see what was really bulletproof. A really, really thick book will stop a .22 rimfire. Anything more powerful than that will slice right through. I've done a lot of experimentation with shooting different materials before I ever got a camera. I hope to be able to replicate some of that for youtube in the future.
Thanks. It was at my grandmother's house, here in North Carolina. And if your comment isn't showing up after I approve it, it's because my computer or youtube is f'ing up. It's driving me nuts.
Would you prefer I shoot somebody? I like to experiment with shooting different materials, that's all. Ballistic projectiles and their effects fascinate me. It's hard to imagine what happens when a bullet strikes something at 2,550 feet per second. It's not always predictable.
Awesome! Hey, I am uploading a few new videos this morning, or maybe later today. One of them shows whether a .17 HMR will pass through many layers of plastic.
its not thick enough to notice any difference. The hollow point doesn't have enough time to expand in that thin ice. Get a watermelon or pumpkin or something like that and do the test. You'll notice the difference on the exit.
Yeah, I pretty much thought that's what happened. Just like when I shot through 1/8 inches of steel, the two different loads made almost the same size hole. However, on flesh or pulp, there is a big difference, with the hollowpoint penetrating the most. These TNT JHP don't expand as rapidly as plain lead hollowpints, like for a .22.
accually they expand faster than a .22 hollow point. Just not as fast as the polymer tip ammo. The TNT loads pennetrate better before expanding and fragmenting. Good choise for larger game like raccons and coyotes where you need more penetration.
You people need to take physics in school. lol!! When you shoot liquids - ie water - the high velcoity round transmits a "shockwave" thru the water creating overpressure causing the target to burst. When you shoot solids like ice, the shockwave doesn't travel outward so you have simple bullet displacement. A small HMR bullet displaces a small amount of target causing a small hole or blowing a small chunk out if it doesn't fully penetrate.
redlegagent 5 months ago
Ice is the worst thing to shoot at with a rifle. The ice compresses and will cause the round to bounce back at you. The chunk you are using is not thick enough to cause a bounce back. One time I had a block of ice about six inches thick, it was a old butter bowl which had filled with water then froze solid. I took the ice block out of the bowl and turned it up on its edge like what you where shooting at. The bullet compressed the ice and came right back at me hitting me in the leg drawin blood.
MrSimonGirty 6 months ago
@MrSimonGirty Thanks for that bit of info. I have never really researched the properties of ice as a target, and this is the only piece I've ever shot. I may have done just what you did if you hadn't warned me.
Shooter12point7 5 months ago
I really like the 17 HMR. Like all rounds it has its limitations. On a windy day it stays in the gun safe. Like all 17 caliber rounds you have to keep it real clean and for those that say it is not accurate. Mine with the right rounds will shoot into 1/2 inch at 100 yards. Like all weapons, some rounds will work better than others.
n2b8er 11 months ago
Ice is a horrible medium for impact damage. I am not sure what the average Joe can use to determine a better round from different 17 grain projectiles. An inch thick piece of ice is definitely not it. Good luck.
Eladnav 1 year ago
"It just made a hole through it" and "there's no discernible difference
[between the 1st and 2nd shots]."
-You people are clueless. Next time, why don't you choose something even thinner? Perhaps you can try paper or tinfoil, and you could then remark just as incredulously about how the .17HMR only makes a small hole.
arthurneddysmith 1 year ago
how did you get it that quite when you shot or is it i just dont have the volume to low?
jitzero 1 year ago
@jitzero It was my camera. It muffles loud sounds.
Shooter12point7 1 year ago
shoot a damn squirell youll see a different trust me
kornrammsteinknot 1 year ago
the ice was fuckin 3 cm thick what the hell do you expect? use about a foot of ice and youll notice a difference. also using phone books works to see how much penatraition your getting, how much fragmentation your bullet leaves, and in a half hour or so u can find the ammo you like best
yamaha7887 1 year ago
Use a thicker block of ice next time. The round just needs more time/room to work its magic. Ice kind of sucks by the way. You will have much more fun with beer cans filled with water.
MrSpryguy99 2 years ago
i have a mossberg 17hmr and this and in january im goin to hunt coyote so that mark will be in a coyotes vitail area in upstate newyork
bvogt123 2 years ago
Cool.
Some people say that the .17 HMR is unsuitable for Coyote hunting, but I say it depends on your skill. I have no doubt that through proper shot placement, the .17 HMR round will cleanly down a Coyote within reasonable distance.
Shooter12point7 2 years ago
@Shooter12point7 Exactly! for a good shooter it is sufficient for game such as coyote. For an ignorant shooter.... it's prob'ly a bad combo
BigAgitator 2 years ago
Definitely, especially with the marlin 917v with a heavy barrel and a good scope. Headshots won't be an issue, they are areal tack driver. People are taking hogs and the like with this caliber.
WeatherbyDude 1 year ago
@Shooter12point7 if you have good shot placement a good old .22 will takedown pretty much anything, over the years it has taken down many deer goats pigs and roo
dimitriskrin 1 year ago 4
@Shooter12point7 Yeah alot of people dont know what the hell their talking about too. Alot of bs talk gets shoved around in gun shops by people who have never even hunted anything with the caliber they talk about. The .17 is fine for coyotes, the only limiters are the range. Its just a necked down .22 mag for the most part so if your pushing anything past 150-200yds Id just step up to a economical .223 for yotes
Dman40475 1 year ago
I've seen the .17 used very effectively for coyotes. the small caliber doesn't matter as much if you can put the shot right where you want it.
scasafrass 2 years ago
@bvogt123 Where in upsate NY? I am living in upstate NY now too, and I have a Savage .17 HMR FVSS with a 4-16/40 scope, and it's a tack-driver when it comes to accuracy. Where do you usually go?
ptschafer 2 years ago
@bvogt123 where abouts in upstate new york? thats where we are from, and my brother uses his .17 HMR when we go out coyote hunting, these guns are rediculously accurate with the right scope, and contrary to popular beliefe the heavier and faster the bullet does not make a difference, shot placement is the key to everything, a well placed head shot will put a coyote down, and within range a well placed vital shot that does not hit the shoulder bone, the HMR will also put a coyote down
1gamoguy 1 year ago
Why didn't you make it thicker to see the true damage of the bullet. This only shows impact not damage.
FutureFireFighter01 2 years ago
The reason a backwords round words to pierce armor is simple. upon impact the flatened end of the (older style non boat tail) round would splinter... fragmenting.. however the center of the round would remain in tact as it strikes dead on becoming sort of a SLAP round (Sabot Light Armor Piercing) as the core now has a smaller surface area it has greater energy hence its able to puncture armor
Sn1p3ro3o5 2 years ago
Actually no it had less penetration capability but when the flat base would strike the plate the energy would be almost completely dumped into the plate causing the back side to fragment spraying the enemy with shards. If used facing forwards the point of the bullet would mushroom on impact delivering much less energy.
disturbedone5009 2 years ago
TNT rounds are horrid when it comes to accuracy...
BlackandChrome 2 years ago
Yes, I've noticed that out of the three different bullets I've tried, the Speer TNT has the least consistent pattern.
Shooter12point7 2 years ago
are you talkin their manufactured rounds or their bullets? Ive been loading their 90 grain spitzer tip hollow point and i forget the powder (maybe imr) not sure, but ive been getting the best groupings ive seen out of my savage .270
shams119 2 years ago
Manufactured rounds. never tried reloads due to that reason. Always gone with Vmax for all of our reloads up to 7mm. That's for the hunting rounds anyway, cheap soft nose bullets for target practice.
BlackandChrome 2 years ago
gbgb
laser5890 2 years ago
in ww1 snipers would take bullet out of case, turn it around facing backward , put back in case. on impact would cause mini super frags . cut u up!!
malamars129 2 years ago
it would also penetrate the sniper plates the enemy snipers hif begind, a sort of early hollow charge
assassin616 2 years ago
That doesn't make much sense. Where did you read that from?
Shooter12point7 2 years ago
thats the reason why they did it, i read it in one of my sniper books so stfu
assassin616 2 years ago
Hollow charge? What's that? You're not confusing that with an early hollowpoint round, perhaps? And not also making the mistake of thinking that a hollowpoint design improves penetration on a target?
Shooter12point7 2 years ago
I heard it too, and while i find it unlikely (And damn dangerous if it was done) it made the round act sort of like a squash head round, causing shrapnell to be blown lose on the enemy side of an enemy snipers metal cover plate, and injuring him that way rather than by penetration.
True or not, i have no idea. But it sounds fishy, even if technicaly possible i guess.
BigSwede7403 2 years ago 3
I've never heard of that, a backwards round would be so un-areodynamic that it would be rendered useless for a sniper
supersexyfatguy 2 years ago 2
thats cool but my crosman 760 does the same thing
ng416 2 years ago
I guess pretty much anything would.
Shooter12point7 2 years ago
is the hmrr louder then the .22
monimstarfox 2 years ago
mine is a bit louder
Bucketman447 2 years ago
test fail. Try a large block of ice or jugs of water... the thin sheet of ice used doesn't show the capabilitys of the bullets well, the thin ice is like shooting at a paper target the holes are going to be pretty similar. Good vid though.
00BigEddie00 2 years ago
Thanks.
Shooter12point7 2 years ago
My father used to tell me that if you cut an X into the end of a hollow point with a pocket knife that the projectile would expand even further. I don't know how true this is but I do know it seems fairly dangerous.
IM1deadMONEY 3 years ago
It makes good sense. Some types of hollow points come pre-fragmented so they will expand and fragment faster than normal. If you did it yourself, you'd just have to be careful not to bludgeon the bullet where it would obstruct the barrel. The only other way it might fail to work safely is if you cut too deeply and the bullet comes apart before it gets out of the barrel, or while it's in the air.
Shooter12point7 3 years ago
Good point, after you saying this, I noticed that my Winchester Super X .357 mag ammo is pre-fragmented.
(Into 6 deadly slices of hell pizza)
IM1deadMONEY 3 years ago
Yup, yup. That load would RUIN unprotected tissue. Very messy.
Shooter12point7 3 years ago
not dangerous at all and helps the expansion of the bullet
SHUNT311 2 years ago
They used to do it in WW2 actually, it's true. But i don't think you should deform the bullet too much. It may be dangerous. Just lighlty engraving an "x"on the tip of the bullet is enough
BarinhoDude 2 years ago
That's to thin of an object for the hollow points to take effect, as far as I know. Plus they're meant to have a mushroom effect after they penetrate skin.
subireza 3 years ago
I was kind of expecting the V-max bullets to have a different effect than the hollow points. In my experience, V-max bullets are extremely frangible, breaking apart very quickly after hitting almost any material. But like you say, the ice was just too thin for either bullet to expand or fragment noticeably.
Shooter12point7 3 years ago
Self protection, cunt.
Raphaelredbull 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
What the hell do you need a hollow point round for? The only thing it's used for is penetrating armour. The military doesn't even use a hollow point.
Orvellrednbacer 3 years ago
Tell me you're not serious. Please, for your own sake, be joking. You can't just post such an uneducated comment for a video like this, and not expect to get hammered by people who shoot real guns for pleasure. If you are serious about joining the armed forces, you need to get your firearm info from somewhere other than a video game or TV show. If you really want to know what a hollowpoint is, and what it's used for, send me a private message.
Shooter12point7 3 years ago
expansion and bigger wound channels... study up tard
xXfeevesXx 3 years ago
ahem
redmagefish 3 years ago
Umm... It's a war crime to use any other bullet then a full metal jacket... just patching you up there... and a hollow point, would defiantly not pass through armer....
spaghetiman 3 years ago
lmao hollow point for penetrating armour? wtf kind of drugs you on? hollow point are designed to mushroom out and cut a bigger hole not penetrate armor you tark.
Brutalnemisis 3 years ago
I dont care what the projectile is designed to do, you put enough velocity behind it, it will penetrate armor. Apparently you have never shot a real gun. Put down the game boy and go outside.
BTW, projectiles do not "cut", and the "hole" is a wound cavity.
Heston83 3 years ago
Pretty sure Hollow Points can't penetrate SHIT... they are ment to mushroom out and cause serious damage to flesh. FMJ can penetrate armor.
whodank 3 years ago
they can penetrate heads.how bout a 30 378 weatherby with hollow points that would be interesting on body armour.
bobfe360 3 years ago
The Hague Convention prevents the military from using HP ammo. Otherwise they would be in most situations.
FordGT555 3 years ago
Holy fuck Orvellrednbacer is a retard.
unknownsoldierz 3 years ago
idiot......
redmagefish 3 years ago
if u had a thicker piece of ice it would have better chance of shattering , the projectile exits before it has a chance to fragment or expand depending on what projectile u use, so give it a go with a thicker piece of ice.
pappagazmo 3 years ago
That's very interesting, but what has it got to do with my home-made ballistics testing?
Shooter12point7 3 years ago
Sorry, I'm just trying to spread the word. The gov't is corrupt... (but everyone all ready knew that) I love my 17hmr! I wish I had more time, and a better place to use it. I have a savage 93r17 and I can shoot an egg at 200yds.
RON PAUL REVOLUTION :D
gmoliveira814 3 years ago
OK. Cool then. The revolution continues!
Shooter12point7 3 years ago
yeah..fuck the goverment.
BUSHMASTER31 3 years ago
My dad and I shot a chunk of ice around that diameter but 5 inches think with a .17 gr V-max and shattered the whole thing (50 yrds away)
jesusMAN93 3 years ago
Your V-max probably had room to fragment in the ice, like a mini-grenade. I bet it was cool to watch.
Shooter12point7 3 years ago
The 17 is going so fast it won't break the ice. I had the same result with fixed skeet. The had little .17 holes in them. Killer! I wish I could find a good pistol for this round.
1004w12 3 years ago
Haha. Wicked! That's pretty cool - won't even shatter a clay target. The .17 HMR is like firing needle drill bits or something.
Shooter12point7 3 years ago
If you want to do that, look at, "Cheeper then Dirt. Com" They sell Flechetts, a steel dart that fits into a 12ga round. They have little spurs on the back end like an arrow so they fly well. Crazy!! One round of that will clear an entire room, and probably the room across the street.
1004w12 3 years ago
I got an idea for that a while back when I saw them in the CTD mail catolog. I was thinking about making my own flechette shells, but I found some pre-loaded ones at the local gun shop. They are $14 for three shells though. LOL. I would probably buy them instead of trying a wacky experiment.
Shooter12point7 3 years ago
it might not do much to ice but try shooting a bird with it. it will probly exploadif u hit it good lol! i nicknamed my .17hmr the poofmaster lol cause every time i shoot a bird all i see is a cloud of fethers lol
24pointbuck 3 years ago
Yeah, I have shot a bird with it, with a TNT hollowpoint. It blew it apart, and blew both legs off. And yes, feathers did fly. lol
Shooter12point7 3 years ago
you could throw a rock and break that
drrrrrr
wesleyb82 3 years ago
Woa, you're good if you can throw a rock 2,250feet per second and have it travel for 2miles!
Shooter12point7 3 years ago
Last time I shot at ice I had found a aluminum saucepan full of slightly melted ice, but I shot it with a .223 loaded with 69 grain Sierra Match King hollow points, and it punched through the ice, and took the whole bottom of the pan out.
AreThereNoMoreNames 4 years ago
Awesome! 69 grains is heavy for a .223 isn't it? What velocity does it get with a bullet that heavy?
Shooter12point7 4 years ago
It's pretty heavy, but it's a 1 in 8" twist barrel. Very accurate at longer ranges. As for velocity, I'd say it's somewhere in the 2800 to 3000 fps area out of a 20" AR-15. I handload them a little hotter than that for my bolt-action, though.
AreThereNoMoreNames 4 years ago
Cool. Do you ever do varmint hunting with it? Are the 69 grain hollowpoints suitable for varmints? Or would you need lighter V-max bullets?
Shooter12point7 4 years ago
I've never tried. I think Speer says not to use them for hunting, though.
AreThereNoMoreNames 4 years ago
I guess they are just for extreme accuracy. What kind of group can you get at 100, 200, 300 yards?
Shooter12point7 4 years ago
Last time I was knocking the centers of clay pigeons out at about 150 yards. I haven't tried it on paper, but I plan to next time we're out.
AreThereNoMoreNames 4 years ago
Hmmm. I bet I could do that with 20 grain FMJ in my .17 HMR. LOL. I've never tried a real paper group with my .17 either. All I know is that no matter how far something is, I can generally hit it with my .17. It's very accurate and long-range for a rimfire.
Shooter12point7 4 years ago
I think it'd be getting a little tough at that range to knock out the centers. I'm going to bring paper along next time, and with any luck maybe the whole range'll be open. The way it's set up is requires that everyone shoot from the same distance, and there was someone goofing around with their Saiga 12 last time we were there.
AreThereNoMoreNames 4 years ago
I see. Maybe you can catch it fully open sometime. Ha. I wish I could goof around with my Saiga 20 sometime. It's a great little gun. Very compact, easy to aim, and doesn't kick at all - even with rifled slugs (which is my favorite load for it).
Shooter12point7 4 years ago
That's what everyone says about them. I picked up a Saiga in .308, and it was less than dependable. Short stroked or jammed at least once per 8 round magazine. I recently did get a new gas piston for it, and lapped it into the gas block, so hopefully it'll cycle reliably now.
AreThereNoMoreNames 4 years ago
Yeah, my Saiga 20 would be the greatest if it didn't jam with regular shells. It will jam with cheap shells, such as those in 100 round value packs. It does great with slugs, buckshot, and duck loads. There is a screw to adjust the gas for light or heavy loads, but it just doesn't matter with some shells. They jam anyway.
Shooter12point7 4 years ago
I tried different things in mine. I had purchased a battle pack of 147 grain ammunition with the rifle, and that stuff was terrible. Then I ordered a few boxes of Fiocchi, and that couldn't do it either. There was a sale on Silver Bear, and after trying that, it was just as bad as the battle pack. The piston had quite a bit of play in it, though, even with the bolt forward. I'm hoping it was just a loose piston.
I was thinking about getting a Saiga 12 at the next show if there's any left.
AreThereNoMoreNames 4 years ago
Well, if the Saiga 12 is like the 20, be prepared for a lot of jamming. It is really annoying. I have used Remington Game Loads, and Winchester Universal Value Pack shells, and they both jam in my 20. All slugs and buckshot seem to do fine. Remington Gun club or any expensice shells do fine too. A Saiga 12 would be really cool though. Yeah, you should grab one if you can. It can't be too bad. Maybe Ismash fixed the jamming problem since I got my 20.
Shooter12point7 4 years ago
Damn dude.. thats sweet.
lane007007 4 years ago
thank u youtube for posting these videos of .17 calibers u inspired me to purchase one because i hav a very sick dog and i took him in the backyard and shot him one time in the chest and now he doesnt need to suffer n e more
lawrenceisapimp 4 years ago
Did you submit all of your mental health records when you purchased your .17?
Shooter12point7 4 years ago
Dude your fucked up in the head it costs like 50 dollars to humanly put down your dog, and he had to suffer a little after he got shot
RabbitSniper17 4 years ago
i think he was joking..
JoShs200 4 years ago
even if he wasnt joking... whats more humane.. putting your own animal down (your responsibility) or taking your dog to a place its not used to.. and handing the responsibility over to someone else to do.
ekelly2 4 years ago
Well... I probably couldn't do it to an animal I loved. And if I did, I'd go right for the brain stem, not the chest. A shot to the brain stem would have been instant lights-out for the animal. But wow, what a great comment to post. Makes us gun types seem just great. :S
Shooter12point7 4 years ago
ive shot all kinds of things with my 17. bowling pins, bowling balls,paintcans,propane tanks,pokercips.you name it ive probablly shot it.
robotchicken25 4 years ago
Coins? O_o
Shooter12point7 4 years ago
yep
robotchicken25 4 years ago
Cool. I've shot coins before too, but I swear, I've never been able to find them after I shoot 'em. Have you recovered any, and what effect did the bullet have? Just cut a clean hole through it, like when you shoot thin steel?
Shooter12point7 4 years ago
no it wasnt a clean hole it was kind of i big dent but it went through.ohh by the way im 14.
robotchicken25 4 years ago
Cool. 14, eh? Its always great to hear of younger people interested in shooting, instead of offended at the very mention of the word "gun." I often worry that the shooting sports are slowly being erased by media lies about firearms. But you've given me a ray of hope. BTW, is a .17 HMR your first gun?
Shooter12point7 4 years ago
well i have a .17 and a 20 gauge, but ive been shooting since i was like 10. ive shot anything from a .45 to an ar15.
robotchicken25 4 years ago
Cool. I own a .22 LR rifle, .17 HMR rifle, 20 gauge shotgun, 12 gauge shotgun, 7.62x54R rifle, 7.62x39mm rifle, .177 air rifle (lol) and .177 pellet pistol. I've never shot any centerfire pistols other than a 9mm and .25 auto. I've never fired a .223 rifle either.
*Mild jealousy.*
Shooter12point7 4 years ago
ive shot coins with my 1000 fps crosman quest break barrel rifle and it puts holes in dimes
pyrotechnaguy 4 years ago
shhh... kinda illegal (not one to talk myself though) ya .17HMR just punches through stuff I cant wait till I get mine I shot my buddys for a few days and dang I'm hooked it may start going out places I'd take my .22Mag....
weasel348 4 years ago
wet phonebooks fellas
rotundrooster 4 years ago
video - is ok, but just shooting some ice proves nothing about the two different types of bullet tips.
KevinWirt 4 years ago
Yeah, I guess I'd need a more flesh-like medium to tell any difference. The results were similar when I shot a piece of mild steel. The bullets just don't have a chance to expand with these rigid materials.
Shooter12point7 4 years ago
ya, I would put a notebook about 6 inches in front a wooden board, with a backstop behind that incase in goes through both. They you can look at the tips them selves. :)
KevinWirt 4 years ago
22lr is much better.
pimpsa91 4 years ago
22 lr beats the shit outta 17 hmr
missgerardwayyx3 4 years ago
My ass. Have you ever even shot a .17 HMR? I could outshoot a .22 LR any day with my
.17 HMR. More energy, more accuracy, more range, more penetration. The only advantage the .22 LR cartridge has over almost every other cartridge in the world is being dirt cheap.
Shooter12point7 4 years ago
agreed...
h8red00 4 years ago
i second that
apmoro 4 years ago
100% agreed. .22 LR is nothing compared to .17 HMR. Some people would even say that a .17 HMR out does a .22 MAG.
KevinWirt 4 years ago
lol, why you say that because of the higher number? .17 hmr is like 10x more powerfull sorry. know more about guns b4 posting about guns! I own about every cal rifle and hand gun from 22lr to 50 bmg.
SHUNT311 4 years ago
- .17 HMR 2,530 FPS with 240 foot-pounds of energy from muzzle
- .22 LR 1,200 FPR with 130 foot-pounds of energy from muzzle
KevinWirt 4 years ago
Your looking for the best exit hole, not entrance. Try somthing fatter, like a block of wood. Then you can tell which is better.
StormyF15014 4 years ago
Lol dude can u shoot a book like as thich as a bible, or a thick wad of cash or fake cash.
Cause in the movies it "saves" the character cause the bullet gets stopped and is it true?
thegamefoshoz 4 years ago
Ha, ha. They did that on Mythbusters one time to see what was really bulletproof. A really, really thick book will stop a .22 rimfire. Anything more powerful than that will slice right through. I've done a lot of experimentation with shooting different materials before I ever got a camera. I hope to be able to replicate some of that for youtube in the future.
Shooter12point7 4 years ago
it went through for dam sake what more do you want who cares if it doesnt shatter it
HTWN4LIFE 4 years ago
Pls shoot a copy of Windows Vista next. It deserves to die.
goingbust 4 years ago
lol, ya vista is a joke.
SHUNT311 4 years ago
nice man, where was this?
th3boy75 4 years ago
Thanks. It was at my grandmother's house, here in North Carolina. And if your comment isn't showing up after I approve it, it's because my computer or youtube is f'ing up. It's driving me nuts.
Shooter12point7 4 years ago
isn't it funny what gets shot at these days
stevenlap 4 years ago
Would you prefer I shoot somebody? I like to experiment with shooting different materials, that's all. Ballistic projectiles and their effects fascinate me. It's hard to imagine what happens when a bullet strikes something at 2,550 feet per second. It's not always predictable.
Shooter12point7 4 years ago
i never thought i could relate 2 some like u .i like to shoot thing just 2 see wat happens to them.i like expirimenting with different things to.
clinton252 4 years ago
Awesome! Hey, I am uploading a few new videos this morning, or maybe later today. One of them shows whether a .17 HMR will pass through many layers of plastic.
Shooter12point7 4 years ago
Thanks.Keep up the good work man
clinton252 4 years ago
Cool vid! I always use phonebooks that have been soaking in water overnight.
tafino 4 years ago
its not thick enough to notice any difference. The hollow point doesn't have enough time to expand in that thin ice. Get a watermelon or pumpkin or something like that and do the test. You'll notice the difference on the exit.
misterrussell 5 years ago
Yeah, I pretty much thought that's what happened. Just like when I shot through 1/8 inches of steel, the two different loads made almost the same size hole. However, on flesh or pulp, there is a big difference, with the hollowpoint penetrating the most. These TNT JHP don't expand as rapidly as plain lead hollowpints, like for a .22.
Shooter12point7 5 years ago
accually they expand faster than a .22 hollow point. Just not as fast as the polymer tip ammo. The TNT loads pennetrate better before expanding and fragmenting. Good choise for larger game like raccons and coyotes where you need more penetration.
airgunsniper 4 years ago
lol, penetration. but of your looking for something cool to shoot, then shoot at some molding clay. It makes a very, very visible impact difference.
th3boy75 4 years ago