the 1st question shows you that the ATHEists are not thinking.. the answer given is the same to GOD hypothesis -- second question he disregards scientists because they are believers ??? 3rd Q is the dilemma that if the Atheists say we all will go to nothing then why worry about sickness or disease .. Your life has no meaning - in the end (death) - why bother with a cure or getting better - ??
from @19:25 - 19:45 just proves atheists wrong just like u believe through evidence that cant be seen by human eye that another universe exists god actually exists through visible evidence
Sounds to me like we have 2 very intelligent scientists wasting their time talking to 2 relignuts who don't want to hear anything that disagrees with them.
i don't know who organized this debate but sincerely i don't understand why societies today still debate over the question of god. Sorry but there is no imaginary invisible man in the sky there is no proof of such foolishness.
How could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe, when their knowledge of the total scheme of being is *close* to zero, when confronted with a whole mass of unknowns concerning this very earth and tangible, lifeless matter, let alone the whole universe?
Do scientific discoveries and knowledge cause such a scientist to conclude that matter, *unknowing and unperceiving *, is his creator and that of all beings?
No?
Then how can the duped and brainwashed atheists and some of the scientists delude themselve and *believe* that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
What is called science by the *science-worshippers* of the present age and regarded by them as equivalent to the sum total of *reality*, is simply a collection of laws applicable to a single dimension of the world. The result of all human effort and experimentation is a body of knowledge concerning a minute bright dot comparable to the dim light of a candle-surrounded by a dark night enveloping a huge desert of indefinite extent.
All praise is due to ALLAH, the Lord of the Universe.
@zimmermjaz How can you delude yourself and believe that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
@1tabligh Nobody worships science boy. We understand it and we realize that it is based on evidence not faith or as i call it naivete. Yes the body of knowledge held by humankind is small simply because it is finite and the universe is infinite. Thus knowledge is infinite. But i don't know how you get from this to saying that your imaginary friend is real. What ? Does he hide in the places not yet observed by humans or tested by science? Is he afraid of being observed? Don't tell me he's shy
@Tzu1988 If man, through the application of scientific instruments and criteria, cannot perceive the existence of a thing, he cannot deny its existence simply because it is incompatible with material criteria, unless he disposes of some proof that the thing in question is impossible.
We discover the existence of an objective law from within the totality of phenomena that it is capable of interpreting. If, then, the establishment of scientific truth is possible only by means of direct sensation, the majority of scientific truths will have to be discarded, since many scientific facts cannot be perceived by means of sensory experience or *testing*.
@aatefmagic what he meant is that most athiest dont believe in things that they dont c so how do they believe in something like that if they dont c it?
@aatefmagic it is extremely insulting to call someone a "mindless robotic idiot", could you not have pointed out in a more logical manner, without just pulling out a insult
@hussainyahussain1 Oh get over it. The audience clearly isn't thinking rationally about any of this. It's as though they're at a football match cheering for their favourite team. There's no evidence for the existence of God and this Rajabali bloke didn't make a single compelling argument in favour of that proposition.
@nyscholartist weather you chose to accept or deny the evidence that was presented is your decision, but there is no need for us to get vulgar and call people "mindless robotic zombies", there are ways to say that the crowd was clapping over excessively without being rude
@hussainyahussain1 It's "whether," not "weather." And there was no convincing evidence presented from Rajabali's side. Indeed, his English is weak and he can barely formulate a coherent thought.
@nyscholartist okay thank your for your unnecessary grammatical lesson, and he made a point, where have all these gases come from, I mean if the big bang occurred because of the explosion of certain gasses which resulted in the creation of the universe, there had to be a beginning of these gasses, and insulting his english there is no need for that
@hussainyahussain1 If he improved upon his English, then his points would be more intelligible. His point was addressed thoroughly by Barker and Carrier. Physicists are still exploring the beginnings of the observable universe (which is not equivalent to the entire cosmos). Dr. Lawrence Krauss has a fascinating lecture on YouTube called "A Universe from Nothing." But the fact that we don't yet know how it all began doesn't mean that a god did it.
@hussainyahussain1 Positing the existence of a god violates the principle of Ockham's razor because it only invites further questions about why God is the way He is. All three monotheistic religions teach that God is omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, etc. because "that's just the way He is." If theists can say that about God, then atheists can save a step and say that the universe operates according to certain physical laws because "that's just the way it is."
@hussainyahussain1 Random quantum fluctuations can produce order as a possibility. The multiverse theory is certainly no less plausible than the idea that a god created the universe. Besides, even if the Big Bang demonstrated the existence of a god, it would only get one as far as deism. It wouldn't tell us anything about the character of this god and his relationship to his/her/its creation. It wouldn't prove the truth of any religion.
@hussainyahussain1 The explosion of gasses, in other words, can be explained in a number of different ways without appealing to supernatural agency. You don't have to believe that God farted to explain the origins of gasses. (Now don't get your panties in a bunch because of a little humour ;)
@hussainyahussain1 Carrier explained it in painstaking detail. The multiverse theory, in which there are many possible universes within the larger cosmos, each with different physical constants and features, each with different lifespans, etc., suggests that it is possible for one such universe to be exactly like our own. And within that universe, life too, however improbably, becomes possible.
@hussainyahussain1 Notice that life is the rare exception to the rule of nothingness, chaos, and destruction in the cosmos. We are a tiny mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam in a remote suburb of an unremarkable galaxy in an enveloping cosmic darkness of nothingness. There is far more destruction and chaos in the universe than there is order, harmony, or anything like the "perfection" Rajabali bangs on about.
@hussainyahussain1 It is not designed or fine-tuned, and certainly not for life. Most planet orbits are unstable, star formation (which is needed for planet formation) is wasteful and inefficient, most of the the universe kills life instantly, our galaxy orbits once every 200 million years brings us near a supernova which can wipe out the ozone layer and kill all of us, we're on a collision course with the Andromeda galaxy which will destroy our Milky Way galaxy, ...
@hussainyahussain1 and this is a one-way expanding universe which will collapse into oblivion as its temperature asymptotically approaches absolute zero. This is a universe which conspires to destroy life, not to produce it. If a god did create it, then he is a tinkering, bungling, incompetent, cruel, and violent one. Indeed, just looking at the way animals needlessly suffer in nature shows that its designer is hardly merciful or loving.
@nyscholartist Who are they Suffering at the hands of, Humans, God created us, to see if we deserve paradise, when a teacher gives you a test, and gives you a number of options, there is only one option, and several wrong ones, and if you pick the wrong one that teacher doesn't stop you, same with God, he will not stop you when you chose the wrong, only punish you at the end of the test, and when is the explanation of the origin of the universe in all this i want a good one too, this is my faith
@hussainyahussain1 Animals do suffer at the hands of humans. But I wasn't referring to that kind of animal suffering. I was referring to the deaths of thousands of kangaroos in Southeastern Australia because of an extended drought, earthquakes which kill millions of animals at a time, and the brutality of nature in acts of carnivorous predation. You mention the concept of the test. Well, I used to be a practicing Muslim and I think that the entire concept is absurd.
@hussainyahussain1 In Surah al-Ahzaab 33:72, we learn about man's acceptance of al-Amanah or the Trust: "Indeed, We offered the Trust to the heavens, the earth, and the mountains, and they turned away from it in fear. But man undertook to carry it[s burden]. Surely, he was unjust and ignorant." Also, in Surah al-A'raaf 7:172, the Qur'an suggests that Adam's descendants testified that God is their Lord, so all human beings since then have no excuse to deny the existence of God on Judgement Day.
@hussainyahussain1 What is al-Amanah? According to Ibn Kathir, the Trust represents obedience to God, obligatory social duties, religion. Scholars generally concur that the Trust signifies the test or trial (balaa') that is this life and which consists in the responsibility to do good (and thereby earn a reward) and to shun evil (and thereby escape a punishment).
@hussainyahussain1 God had presumably already endowed man with a soul (nafs) proportioned and invested with the knowledge of good and evil (Surah 91:7-8) as well as with a conscience, the self-reproaching spirit (Surah 75:2). God decided that these sui generis moral faculties ought to be put to use, so He invented the Trust, the test in which success is rewarded and failure punished.
@hussainyahussain1 He showed the heavens, the earth, and the mountains this opportunity to be rewarded by God, but they wisely declined the offer, fearing (ashfaqna) the immensity of its burden. Man, on the other hand, underestimated God's Trust and fixated on the potential rewards; he then stupidly, foolishly, and ignorantly decided to carry (hamalaha) its burden.
@hussainyahussain1 So it was God's idea to create a way to put man's moral faculties (which He also created) to the test. But when man said yes to God's idea it was man who behaved stupidly, foolishly, and ignorantly. The heavens, the earth, and the mountains wisely said no. That's right. Not only did they have consciousness and feelings, but the rocks were also smarter than us.
@hussainyahussain1 God created paradise and an affinity for reward within man, but how dare we be tempted by eternal bliss in heaven? And, just when the whole story couldn't get any more ludicrous, we discover that if we don't succeed in fulfilling the Trust--the wonderful idea of God, He who is omniscient--which we foolishly agreed to, then we will be roasted and tortured in a blazing fire forever.
@hussainyahussain1 Just imagine a teacher who educates a gifted child poised to do great things in the world. One day the teacher decides that the student's gifts should be put to use, so he devises a uniquely challenging test, which, if the student passes, then he receives a $500,000 scholarship to attend the university of his choice and, if he fails, then he is sent to a dungeon where he will be tortured and consumed on a rack by Hannibal Lecter for eternity.
@hussainyahussain1 The teacher offers the test to the less gifted students who turn away in fear of an eternity spent being repeatedly eaten alive by Hannibal Lecter. But the gifted student decides to take up the challenge. The teacher doesn't try to dissuade him; instead he immediately calls the student stupid, foolish, and ignorant for saying yes to the teacher's brilliant idea.
@hussainyahussain1 The test begins. Now all gifted children have foolishly agreed to take this uniquely challenging test which the teacher isn't proctoring, which none of them recalls having signed up for or having testified that the teacher is their authority, which if they fail they can't re-take and will have to be tortured forever by order of this most merciful teacher.
@nyscholartist I don't think you understood, God wants you to open your eyes, he test everyone in their own way, he wants every one to explore, muslims, don't worship blindly examine who you worship and examine your religion, christians, jews, athiests, hindus, they may not have the same test, but they still have a test, a purpose for their creation, and where is this explanation of where everything begun
@hussainyahussain1 I understand very well, thank you. And the fact that you haven't addressed any of my points shows that you haven't thought about any of this very deeply. "He tests everyone in their own way." He also tests people in unimaginably cruel ways. When a child is crushed under a boulder during a massive earthquake all alone with no one to help him as he screams and bleeds to death religion has no explanation.
@hussainyahussain1 The child is innocent, so he can't be punished for sin. The child is too young to understand what it is to be tested for the genuineness of his faith, so he can't be tested. He died all alone so no adults were being tested for the genuineness of their faith through the suffering of the child. All the religious believer can say is, "Well, that child will go to heaven so it doesn't matter."
@hussainyahussain1 His going to heaven wouldn't negate the horrendous suffering of the child as it died an excruciatingly painful death. And why didn't God just create the child in heaven in the first place? All the theist can say is "God works in mysterious ways, Allahu 'Alim, we can't understand God's infinite wisdom, etc." which are not explanations at all.
@hussainyahussain1 Read some work by Stephen Hawking on the Big Bang if you want to learn about how the observable universe began. Physicists admit that there are many questions for which they don't yet have answers. All you're doing is inserting the God of the gaps wherever science has not yet provided a complete explanation. You're making the illogical assertion, "We don't know, and the scientists haven't yet told us, so a god did it." Again, it's nonsense.
@hussainyahussain1 The Qur'an also makes manifestly scientifically inaccurate statements contrary to Rajabali's suggestion of its "miracles" predicted 1,400 years ago. It says incorrectly that mountains are pegged into the earth lest the earth sway with us. Mountains do no such thing. Similarly, the alleged reference to the Big Bang doesn't describe the Big Bang at all.
@hussainyahussain1 Surah 21:30 says that the heavens (al-samawat) and the earth (al-ardh) were a conjoined mass (ratqan) which God then rent asunder or separated (fataqnahuma). That is not what happened in the Big Bang. In the Big Bang, the universe began with an explosion about 13.7 billion years. The earth wasn't even in existence at that time. It didn't come into existence until 9 billion years later.
@hussainyahussain1 There was never a point at which the earth and the rest of the universe were a conjoined mass that was then split apart. In the end, you can only believe in your religion on faith, not on the basis of any evidence. You're welcome to continue in your illusion, but please don't say "I know the truth" and then expect people to take you seriously.
@hussainyahussain1 And the ungifted students who never made any effort at school get off scot-free because they shrewdly said no to the teacher's marvelous offer. Any critically reflective person would surely conclude that this teacher should not only never have been in the business of educating, but that he is also capricious, malevolent, and downright psychotic. When one truly reflects critically on the idea of the test proposed by Islam one realises that it's cruel and nonsensical.
They should define where something is real and unreal.Is something real because it consist of particles and atoms causing it to exists in this reality that we perceive?Is everything occurring inside our brains thoughts,dreams,ideas do not exist because they don't form part of the physical realm?The strange thing is that man made things come to exist through our creative ideas.Existence arrive from none existence.Thanks for uploading the video.Complex topic to arrive an agreeable conclusion. :-)
It's actually pretty easy to falsify the statement of the whole book is greater than the sum of its parts. If I define it by literary value, then almost certainly (unless you're reading Twilight), the story is always more meaningful than splitting the book into separate pages.
@speedx50 God is not of a gender, that would be confining him to something, which would limit him, and what are you taking about getting a woman pregnant
@hussainyahussain1 Yes god is not male, nor is Thor, nor is Odin, nor is Satan, nor any imaginary friends of yours because they do not exist. What will it take for you people to listen to reason. Have you ever thought that you've been wasting your life with such nonsense.
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@thebroodhn Yes I'm sure they WILL be happy, like I said. You came to live in a utopian world..feel sorry for you. You needed bread on your table by magic and wanted to be treated like a king without ever having been tested. News for you, your teacher doesn't automatically give you an A, as much as he might want you to succeed. Good day to you!
@GhulamePanjatan Yes, I think we should try to make the world a better place for future generations. I don't think unnecessary suffering is needed or wanted. My teachers are visible and don't require me to suffer in hell for eternity if I fail, unlike your god. I don't need bread on my table by magic, but you think god created the universe by magic.
@thebroodhn wow. I can't believe my life has come to the point where I'm arguing with someone who doesn't know what an analogy is. Your teacher wouldn't put you to hell, but ever heard of failing? Don't blame God for what man does. The unnecessary suffering is due to OUR greed, OUR lust, and OUR sins. God has granted us free will, which is why HE has the right to judge. If he were controlling us, then it wouldn't be just on his part! You have failed and you are frustrated, nothing else!
@GhulamePanjatan If i fail a test I take another test or change schools or whatever so bad analogy on your part. I do not blame god for anything, I agree with you when you say it is our greed and lust. I also thank people for the good that they do, because it is ours too. Your god has nothing to do with this because he doesn't exist. You must not thank god when something good happens if you do not blame him when something bad happens. Btw, I assure you I am not frustrated, I like debate.
@thebroodhn You don't realize the depth of Justice here. It is not this world, or that world alone; justice is combined. If you say we shouldn't blame and thank Him, then He shouldn't punish or reward us. It is simple logic! What you are trying to prove are the logistics and philosophy of religion, not that God doesn't exist. Sorry for that. And it's not a bad analogy, how does retaking tests not apply here? God has given us multiple chances. We have a chance to repent, always, until death!
The theists love to quote scientists, how do they explain that 90% plus of the people best able to judge the evidence (members of the national academy, royal societies etc) are atheists?
@aatefmagic they werent attacking themselves, they are pointing out that the hypocritical critique of the existence god not existing because u cant "see' him. even though u cant see another multiverse. bla bla bla
@buitrami Live and let live would be fine, if religion didn't have such a massively negative impact on society. The mere existence of separate religions cause natural divides in humanity, which only results in conflict and violence (E.g. The Crusades). Tell "live and let live" to Al Qaeda, who are acting according to how they believe their religion wants them to act.
@buitrami to add to iseebathtubs response "Faith can't move mountains, but you should see what it does to skyscrapers"~unknown
Religion on a large scale is rather dangerous. Because of the belief that their is life after death, people are willing do die for any cause that they believe is for the greater good, even if it's not. There are also problems of people trusting their beliefs over science and dieing or letting others die because of it. Atheists are taking a stand because we care.
AGAIN, you're misreading what i've typed. I said science is proving God's Creation. Proving what's in the universe. How can a person not believe in God? It's baffling. To you is your belief and to me is my belief. Both of us will one day die and it will know who was correct then. Eschatologically proven. But, it will be too late then. As a Muslim I am taught to love for others what I Love for myself, I Love Islam. Regards.
@Oo786oO "Eschatologically proven." What the hell does that even mean? How can you prove something which hasn't happened yet and no one has any proof that it will? Nonsense.
Read my statement properly before commenting. I said: "Science is not trying to disprove a Higher Being, it is only attempting to prove His creation." and you responded by affirming what i stated. Science is trying to prove "His creation". I.e. the known world. I most probably disbelieve in the god you disbelieve in. If the god you disbelieve in is a massive man with his foot dangling down the unverse, i also disbelieve in him. I believe in a being not comparable to anything
Don't laugh at yourself. I guess you didn't understand that statement. He is using the Athiestic Logic. Muslims believe that we don't NEED to see for a thing to exist. Love cannot be seen. So long ago radiowaves and gamma rays were unknown! But they existed. So sorry, who are "a bunch of mindless robotic idiots"? Certainly not Muslims, Nor Athiests for that matter. Both have beliefs, one belief is a reality. I pray you accept the reality. Peace.
Ahhh! Such an obvious question to the theists missed!! "One of you is a Christian theist, and the other is a Muslim theist. These two religions have very contrasting beliefs about a deity. So.. which one of you is right?"
good these religous people are fools if u cant see it im sorry but the universe is real and i can see it but the god of the bible and quran i cant see being real
@footballfan4343 there is not any evidence for god but theists will present the hypothesis anyway as an explanation. the mutliverse idea however shows that fine tuning does not necessarily point to an intelligent mind who tunes the universe. multiverse is a possibility. so it destroys the notion that fine tuning could ONLY point towards intelligent design. fine tuning fails miserably. and so do you.. peace
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life."
The love has been given, don't let it pass you, love is patient, it is waiting for you, God is waiting.
Juan 3:16 "Porque de tal manera amo Dios al mundo, que ha dado a su hijo unegito, para que todo aquel que en el cree, no se pierda mas tega vida eterna."
El amor ya es dado, no lo deje pasar, amor es paciente, te esta esperando, Dios te espera.
Just like islamics to twist logic 180 degrees upon itself, staging this event to 'prove a negative', as if such could be done. This was a 'Special Pleading-athon', they asserted so many attributes to their deity.
To them, Allah is default. By that logic every idea that could be imagined would be true by default.
Paraphrasing: "Please, no personal attacks, disrespect, and let's use "proper ethics" - says the Muslims, they seem frightened by opposing viewpoints. Why do the Muslim speakers and the moderator demand that the atheist speaker refrain from insulting their imaginary Allah? It appears to me to be intimidation. They are intolerant of intolerance.
The muslim debater is an arrogant prick. One look at his face and you know. Exactly the kind that would strap bombs to himself or crash a plane into a building. His partner is stupid (no better word) and thinks highly of himself. Compare his intellect and the intellect of his opponent the bright young atheist. No comparison.
The hypocrisy was so absurd coming from the theists here.
They struck a stance of indignation in their final speeches instead of rebutting the actual arguments made, then they begin making blanket statements against all atheists, insulting them by even saying they are here to spread lies to confuse everybody.
All the comments from atheists here are are negative. They seem hurt. Where is tolerance? They cant bear the defeat and dont believe anything outside there set mind. losers.
I am going to school as a Physics major and i am a christian... As a student Physic i have studied that ENERGY is ALWAYS transferred and never destroyed. Also I know God is... in Christianity.. is almighty and makes up everything and is in us spiritually.. I believe our spirits are what God is as in every living and non living matter.. thus the energy thats never destroyed. Is infinite energy shared between all infinite space, time[the "11th dimension] and universe on all 10 dimensions .. God?
In Islam, it is inaccurate to say, God is in us[humans], God is part of what exists, God is within universe, God is in our hearts, God is in mind, e.g, physical part of Him, etc. Quran says: "Say! He is Allah, the One and Only! Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not nor is He begotten. And there is none like unto Him. " God does not need to obey OUR logic & fit into OUR understanding. He is not energy. We can not model Him physically with physics & math & astronomy.
These two theists Piss me off. They are fucking assholes who need support of 99% of the audience to win this debate. I wish there was a god so he can send these two to hell!
I thought this was suppost to be 2 on 2. How is it that the theists are allowed to bring all those straw men? Ohhh. I see, so they can knock them down. Thats pretty sad.
@footballfan4343 how did you come up with that opinion? you see if you think about it, he dug himself a hole! he doesn't believe in a multiverse because there is no evidence ? well then where is the evidence for God's existence????
lol Michael Corey said "The whole point of my presentation was not that there was an absence of evidence, but an overwhelming properderonce of evidence", Well I would hope so!! That is the whole point of a debate isn't it?? LOL
@AnotherMasterMind is not the point of a debate to expand the minds of someone, and to make them think openly, and differently, not to make someone worng, or humiliate them, or to start a slang match
where are the christian debaters?
thedbq1 1 week ago
"If we can't see it, how is it evidence?" What an epic fail on the theist's part.
dagerm001 3 weeks ago
I don't get why there is a department in the universities called Theology cuz it's basically studying something which doesn't exist!
MrLifeforever 1 month ago
Muslims are arrogantly ignorant!
MrLifeforever 1 month ago
the 1st question shows you that the ATHEists are not thinking.. the answer given is the same to GOD hypothesis -- second question he disregards scientists because they are believers ??? 3rd Q is the dilemma that if the Atheists say we all will go to nothing then why worry about sickness or disease .. Your life has no meaning - in the end (death) - why bother with a cure or getting better - ??
indusconnection 1 month ago
from @19:25 - 19:45 just proves atheists wrong just like u believe through evidence that cant be seen by human eye that another universe exists god actually exists through visible evidence
iLOLED8100 1 month ago
Hearing a theist yell "if you can't see it, how is it evidence" to a room of cheering without even a hint of irony makes my brain hurt. 20m38s
fictionalhead 1 month ago 5
@fictionalhead
well put it in context and you'll understand what he's doing
TheFazproductions 1 month ago 2
@fictionalhead he was using the atheists' own words against him because the atheist believes in that statement not him.
kingyas22 2 weeks ago
A statement within a statement within a statement? Stateception
mawns 2 months ago
Sounds to me like we have 2 very intelligent scientists wasting their time talking to 2 relignuts who don't want to hear anything that disagrees with them.
sucktackular 3 months ago
These theists need to learn how the fuck to talk into a microphone like big boys.
sucktackular 3 months ago
19:37 if you cant see it how is it evidence?....BANG!
magicmajeed 3 months ago
19:40 if you cant see it how is it evidence?....BANG!
magicmajeed 3 months ago
i don't know who organized this debate but sincerely i don't understand why societies today still debate over the question of god. Sorry but there is no imaginary invisible man in the sky there is no proof of such foolishness.
Tzu1988 3 months ago
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@Tzu1988 The atheist Delusion!
How could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe, when their knowledge of the total scheme of being is *close* to zero, when confronted with a whole mass of unknowns concerning this very earth and tangible, lifeless matter, let alone the whole universe?
1tabligh 3 months ago
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Do scientific discoveries and knowledge cause such a scientist to conclude that matter, *unknowing and unperceiving *, is his creator and that of all beings?
No?
Then how can the duped and brainwashed atheists and some of the scientists delude themselve and *believe* that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
1tabligh 3 months ago
What is called science by the *science-worshippers* of the present age and regarded by them as equivalent to the sum total of *reality*, is simply a collection of laws applicable to a single dimension of the world. The result of all human effort and experimentation is a body of knowledge concerning a minute bright dot comparable to the dim light of a candle-surrounded by a dark night enveloping a huge desert of indefinite extent.
All praise is due to ALLAH, the Lord of the Universe.
1tabligh 3 months ago
@1tabligh which universe?
zimmermjaz 3 months ago
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@zimmermjaz How can you delude yourself and believe that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
1tabligh 3 months ago
@1tabligh Nobody worships science boy. We understand it and we realize that it is based on evidence not faith or as i call it naivete. Yes the body of knowledge held by humankind is small simply because it is finite and the universe is infinite. Thus knowledge is infinite. But i don't know how you get from this to saying that your imaginary friend is real. What ? Does he hide in the places not yet observed by humans or tested by science? Is he afraid of being observed? Don't tell me he's shy
Tzu1988 3 months ago
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@Tzu1988 If man, through the application of scientific instruments and criteria, cannot perceive the existence of a thing, he cannot deny its existence simply because it is incompatible with material criteria, unless he disposes of some proof that the thing in question is impossible.
1tabligh 3 months ago
@Tzu1988 or tested by science?
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We discover the existence of an objective law from within the totality of phenomena that it is capable of interpreting. If, then, the establishment of scientific truth is possible only by means of direct sensation, the majority of scientific truths will have to be discarded, since many scientific facts cannot be perceived by means of sensory experience or *testing*.
1tabligh 3 months ago
@aatefmagic You are the stupiedst of all, they used ''if you can't see it how is it evidence'' because atheist use this term against god
LOL 19 people are dumb + you
Lizzio1980 4 months ago
All I see in the audience is muslim women!
mjt532 4 months ago
@aatefmagic what he meant is that most athiest dont believe in things that they dont c so how do they believe in something like that if they dont c it?
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@aatefmagic it is extremely insulting to call someone a "mindless robotic idiot", could you not have pointed out in a more logical manner, without just pulling out a insult
hussainyahussain1 4 months ago
@hussainyahussain1 Oh get over it. The audience clearly isn't thinking rationally about any of this. It's as though they're at a football match cheering for their favourite team. There's no evidence for the existence of God and this Rajabali bloke didn't make a single compelling argument in favour of that proposition.
nyscholartist 4 months ago
@nyscholartist weather you chose to accept or deny the evidence that was presented is your decision, but there is no need for us to get vulgar and call people "mindless robotic zombies", there are ways to say that the crowd was clapping over excessively without being rude
hussainyahussain1 4 months ago
@hussainyahussain1 It's "whether," not "weather." And there was no convincing evidence presented from Rajabali's side. Indeed, his English is weak and he can barely formulate a coherent thought.
nyscholartist 4 months ago
@nyscholartist okay thank your for your unnecessary grammatical lesson, and he made a point, where have all these gases come from, I mean if the big bang occurred because of the explosion of certain gasses which resulted in the creation of the universe, there had to be a beginning of these gasses, and insulting his english there is no need for that
hussainyahussain1 4 months ago
@hussainyahussain1 If he improved upon his English, then his points would be more intelligible. His point was addressed thoroughly by Barker and Carrier. Physicists are still exploring the beginnings of the observable universe (which is not equivalent to the entire cosmos). Dr. Lawrence Krauss has a fascinating lecture on YouTube called "A Universe from Nothing." But the fact that we don't yet know how it all began doesn't mean that a god did it.
nyscholartist 4 months ago
@hussainyahussain1 Positing the existence of a god violates the principle of Ockham's razor because it only invites further questions about why God is the way He is. All three monotheistic religions teach that God is omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent, etc. because "that's just the way He is." If theists can say that about God, then atheists can save a step and say that the universe operates according to certain physical laws because "that's just the way it is."
nyscholartist 4 months ago
@hussainyahussain1 Random quantum fluctuations can produce order as a possibility. The multiverse theory is certainly no less plausible than the idea that a god created the universe. Besides, even if the Big Bang demonstrated the existence of a god, it would only get one as far as deism. It wouldn't tell us anything about the character of this god and his relationship to his/her/its creation. It wouldn't prove the truth of any religion.
nyscholartist 4 months ago
@hussainyahussain1 The explosion of gasses, in other words, can be explained in a number of different ways without appealing to supernatural agency. You don't have to believe that God farted to explain the origins of gasses. (Now don't get your panties in a bunch because of a little humour ;)
nyscholartist 4 months ago
@nyscholartist Okay then please explain to me one GOOD one, that would really explain every thing, and number two real mature :)
hussainyahussain1 4 months ago
@hussainyahussain1 Carrier explained it in painstaking detail. The multiverse theory, in which there are many possible universes within the larger cosmos, each with different physical constants and features, each with different lifespans, etc., suggests that it is possible for one such universe to be exactly like our own. And within that universe, life too, however improbably, becomes possible.
nyscholartist 4 months ago
@hussainyahussain1 Notice that life is the rare exception to the rule of nothingness, chaos, and destruction in the cosmos. We are a tiny mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam in a remote suburb of an unremarkable galaxy in an enveloping cosmic darkness of nothingness. There is far more destruction and chaos in the universe than there is order, harmony, or anything like the "perfection" Rajabali bangs on about.
nyscholartist 4 months ago
@hussainyahussain1 It is not designed or fine-tuned, and certainly not for life. Most planet orbits are unstable, star formation (which is needed for planet formation) is wasteful and inefficient, most of the the universe kills life instantly, our galaxy orbits once every 200 million years brings us near a supernova which can wipe out the ozone layer and kill all of us, we're on a collision course with the Andromeda galaxy which will destroy our Milky Way galaxy, ...
nyscholartist 4 months ago
@hussainyahussain1 and this is a one-way expanding universe which will collapse into oblivion as its temperature asymptotically approaches absolute zero. This is a universe which conspires to destroy life, not to produce it. If a god did create it, then he is a tinkering, bungling, incompetent, cruel, and violent one. Indeed, just looking at the way animals needlessly suffer in nature shows that its designer is hardly merciful or loving.
nyscholartist 4 months ago
@nyscholartist Who are they Suffering at the hands of, Humans, God created us, to see if we deserve paradise, when a teacher gives you a test, and gives you a number of options, there is only one option, and several wrong ones, and if you pick the wrong one that teacher doesn't stop you, same with God, he will not stop you when you chose the wrong, only punish you at the end of the test, and when is the explanation of the origin of the universe in all this i want a good one too, this is my faith
hussainyahussain1 4 months ago
@hussainyahussain1 Animals do suffer at the hands of humans. But I wasn't referring to that kind of animal suffering. I was referring to the deaths of thousands of kangaroos in Southeastern Australia because of an extended drought, earthquakes which kill millions of animals at a time, and the brutality of nature in acts of carnivorous predation. You mention the concept of the test. Well, I used to be a practicing Muslim and I think that the entire concept is absurd.
nyscholartist 4 months ago
@hussainyahussain1 In Surah al-Ahzaab 33:72, we learn about man's acceptance of al-Amanah or the Trust: "Indeed, We offered the Trust to the heavens, the earth, and the mountains, and they turned away from it in fear. But man undertook to carry it[s burden]. Surely, he was unjust and ignorant." Also, in Surah al-A'raaf 7:172, the Qur'an suggests that Adam's descendants testified that God is their Lord, so all human beings since then have no excuse to deny the existence of God on Judgement Day.
nyscholartist 4 months ago
@hussainyahussain1 What is al-Amanah? According to Ibn Kathir, the Trust represents obedience to God, obligatory social duties, religion. Scholars generally concur that the Trust signifies the test or trial (balaa') that is this life and which consists in the responsibility to do good (and thereby earn a reward) and to shun evil (and thereby escape a punishment).
nyscholartist 4 months ago
@hussainyahussain1 God had presumably already endowed man with a soul (nafs) proportioned and invested with the knowledge of good and evil (Surah 91:7-8) as well as with a conscience, the self-reproaching spirit (Surah 75:2). God decided that these sui generis moral faculties ought to be put to use, so He invented the Trust, the test in which success is rewarded and failure punished.
nyscholartist 4 months ago
@hussainyahussain1 He showed the heavens, the earth, and the mountains this opportunity to be rewarded by God, but they wisely declined the offer, fearing (ashfaqna) the immensity of its burden. Man, on the other hand, underestimated God's Trust and fixated on the potential rewards; he then stupidly, foolishly, and ignorantly decided to carry (hamalaha) its burden.
nyscholartist 4 months ago
@hussainyahussain1 So it was God's idea to create a way to put man's moral faculties (which He also created) to the test. But when man said yes to God's idea it was man who behaved stupidly, foolishly, and ignorantly. The heavens, the earth, and the mountains wisely said no. That's right. Not only did they have consciousness and feelings, but the rocks were also smarter than us.
nyscholartist 4 months ago
@hussainyahussain1 God created paradise and an affinity for reward within man, but how dare we be tempted by eternal bliss in heaven? And, just when the whole story couldn't get any more ludicrous, we discover that if we don't succeed in fulfilling the Trust--the wonderful idea of God, He who is omniscient--which we foolishly agreed to, then we will be roasted and tortured in a blazing fire forever.
nyscholartist 4 months ago
@hussainyahussain1 Just imagine a teacher who educates a gifted child poised to do great things in the world. One day the teacher decides that the student's gifts should be put to use, so he devises a uniquely challenging test, which, if the student passes, then he receives a $500,000 scholarship to attend the university of his choice and, if he fails, then he is sent to a dungeon where he will be tortured and consumed on a rack by Hannibal Lecter for eternity.
nyscholartist 4 months ago
@hussainyahussain1 The teacher offers the test to the less gifted students who turn away in fear of an eternity spent being repeatedly eaten alive by Hannibal Lecter. But the gifted student decides to take up the challenge. The teacher doesn't try to dissuade him; instead he immediately calls the student stupid, foolish, and ignorant for saying yes to the teacher's brilliant idea.
nyscholartist 4 months ago
@hussainyahussain1 The test begins. Now all gifted children have foolishly agreed to take this uniquely challenging test which the teacher isn't proctoring, which none of them recalls having signed up for or having testified that the teacher is their authority, which if they fail they can't re-take and will have to be tortured forever by order of this most merciful teacher.
nyscholartist 4 months ago
@nyscholartist I don't think you understood, God wants you to open your eyes, he test everyone in their own way, he wants every one to explore, muslims, don't worship blindly examine who you worship and examine your religion, christians, jews, athiests, hindus, they may not have the same test, but they still have a test, a purpose for their creation, and where is this explanation of where everything begun
hussainyahussain1 4 months ago
@hussainyahussain1 I understand very well, thank you. And the fact that you haven't addressed any of my points shows that you haven't thought about any of this very deeply. "He tests everyone in their own way." He also tests people in unimaginably cruel ways. When a child is crushed under a boulder during a massive earthquake all alone with no one to help him as he screams and bleeds to death religion has no explanation.
nyscholartist 4 months ago
@hussainyahussain1 The child is innocent, so he can't be punished for sin. The child is too young to understand what it is to be tested for the genuineness of his faith, so he can't be tested. He died all alone so no adults were being tested for the genuineness of their faith through the suffering of the child. All the religious believer can say is, "Well, that child will go to heaven so it doesn't matter."
nyscholartist 4 months ago
@hussainyahussain1 His going to heaven wouldn't negate the horrendous suffering of the child as it died an excruciatingly painful death. And why didn't God just create the child in heaven in the first place? All the theist can say is "God works in mysterious ways, Allahu 'Alim, we can't understand God's infinite wisdom, etc." which are not explanations at all.
nyscholartist 4 months ago
@hussainyahussain1 Read some work by Stephen Hawking on the Big Bang if you want to learn about how the observable universe began. Physicists admit that there are many questions for which they don't yet have answers. All you're doing is inserting the God of the gaps wherever science has not yet provided a complete explanation. You're making the illogical assertion, "We don't know, and the scientists haven't yet told us, so a god did it." Again, it's nonsense.
nyscholartist 4 months ago
@hussainyahussain1 The Qur'an also makes manifestly scientifically inaccurate statements contrary to Rajabali's suggestion of its "miracles" predicted 1,400 years ago. It says incorrectly that mountains are pegged into the earth lest the earth sway with us. Mountains do no such thing. Similarly, the alleged reference to the Big Bang doesn't describe the Big Bang at all.
nyscholartist 4 months ago
@hussainyahussain1 Surah 21:30 says that the heavens (al-samawat) and the earth (al-ardh) were a conjoined mass (ratqan) which God then rent asunder or separated (fataqnahuma). That is not what happened in the Big Bang. In the Big Bang, the universe began with an explosion about 13.7 billion years. The earth wasn't even in existence at that time. It didn't come into existence until 9 billion years later.
nyscholartist 4 months ago
@hussainyahussain1 There was never a point at which the earth and the rest of the universe were a conjoined mass that was then split apart. In the end, you can only believe in your religion on faith, not on the basis of any evidence. You're welcome to continue in your illusion, but please don't say "I know the truth" and then expect people to take you seriously.
nyscholartist 4 months ago
@hussainyahussain1 And the ungifted students who never made any effort at school get off scot-free because they shrewdly said no to the teacher's marvelous offer. Any critically reflective person would surely conclude that this teacher should not only never have been in the business of educating, but that he is also capricious, malevolent, and downright psychotic. When one truly reflects critically on the idea of the test proposed by Islam one realises that it's cruel and nonsensical.
nyscholartist 4 months ago
@hussainyahussain1 For all of these reasons, among many others, the God hypothesis fails.
nyscholartist 4 months ago
They should define where something is real and unreal.Is something real because it consist of particles and atoms causing it to exists in this reality that we perceive?Is everything occurring inside our brains thoughts,dreams,ideas do not exist because they don't form part of the physical realm?The strange thing is that man made things come to exist through our creative ideas.Existence arrive from none existence.Thanks for uploading the video.Complex topic to arrive an agreeable conclusion. :-)
monkjazzer 4 months ago
It's actually pretty easy to falsify the statement of the whole book is greater than the sum of its parts. If I define it by literary value, then almost certainly (unless you're reading Twilight), the story is always more meaningful than splitting the book into separate pages.
deciphering 4 months ago
"if god is not male, how did he get a women pregnant?" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
speedx50 5 months ago
@speedx50 God is not of a gender, that would be confining him to something, which would limit him, and what are you taking about getting a woman pregnant
hussainyahussain1 4 months ago
@hussainyahussain1 Yes god is not male, nor is Thor, nor is Odin, nor is Satan, nor any imaginary friends of yours because they do not exist. What will it take for you people to listen to reason. Have you ever thought that you've been wasting your life with such nonsense.
Tzu1988 3 months ago
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syriandrei 5 months ago
im a muslim myself but im embarassed by the crowd's blatant bias
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zytigon 5 months ago
I look in the mirror and I see an overweight, sleep-deprived, internet-addict with a broken back. God must have had a hangover when he made me.
thebroodhn 5 months ago
@thebroodhn its not God's fault you messed yourself up, God put you on earth a healthy fit child, your fault that you messed yourself up
hussainyahussain1 4 months ago
@hussainyahussain1 First of all, he knew in advance what I was going to turn into. I wonder why would he make atheists?
Second, what about the people born with deformities?
thebroodhn 4 months ago
@thebroodhn What about them? They do nothing wrong. They will be the happiest ones.
GhulamePanjatan 3 months ago
@GhulamePanjatan Why did god make them deformed? And are you sure they are happy?
thebroodhn 3 months ago
@thebroodhn Yes I'm sure they WILL be happy, like I said. You came to live in a utopian world..feel sorry for you. You needed bread on your table by magic and wanted to be treated like a king without ever having been tested. News for you, your teacher doesn't automatically give you an A, as much as he might want you to succeed. Good day to you!
GhulamePanjatan 3 months ago
@GhulamePanjatan Yes, I think we should try to make the world a better place for future generations. I don't think unnecessary suffering is needed or wanted. My teachers are visible and don't require me to suffer in hell for eternity if I fail, unlike your god. I don't need bread on my table by magic, but you think god created the universe by magic.
thebroodhn 3 months ago
@thebroodhn wow. I can't believe my life has come to the point where I'm arguing with someone who doesn't know what an analogy is. Your teacher wouldn't put you to hell, but ever heard of failing? Don't blame God for what man does. The unnecessary suffering is due to OUR greed, OUR lust, and OUR sins. God has granted us free will, which is why HE has the right to judge. If he were controlling us, then it wouldn't be just on his part! You have failed and you are frustrated, nothing else!
GhulamePanjatan 3 months ago
@GhulamePanjatan If i fail a test I take another test or change schools or whatever so bad analogy on your part. I do not blame god for anything, I agree with you when you say it is our greed and lust. I also thank people for the good that they do, because it is ours too. Your god has nothing to do with this because he doesn't exist. You must not thank god when something good happens if you do not blame him when something bad happens. Btw, I assure you I am not frustrated, I like debate.
thebroodhn 3 months ago
@thebroodhn You don't realize the depth of Justice here. It is not this world, or that world alone; justice is combined. If you say we shouldn't blame and thank Him, then He shouldn't punish or reward us. It is simple logic! What you are trying to prove are the logistics and philosophy of religion, not that God doesn't exist. Sorry for that. And it's not a bad analogy, how does retaking tests not apply here? God has given us multiple chances. We have a chance to repent, always, until death!
GhulamePanjatan 3 months ago
@GhulamePanjatan He doesn't punish or reward you because he doesn't exist.
thebroodhn 3 months ago
@thebroodhn Excellent argument. Full of rationality and logic!
GhulamePanjatan 3 months ago
@santhoshchris it is irrelevant who gets the applause
thebroodhn 5 months ago
The crowd seems to be very open minded... with all the head scarves
AgentBruck 5 months ago
If I could like aatefmagic's comment 100000000000000000000000 times, i would
AgentBruck 5 months ago
@santhoshchris
because most the audience are Muslims .
is Michael Corey christian or Muslim ???
mideastatheist 6 months ago
is Michael Corey christian or Muslim ???
mideastatheist 6 months ago
Can these stupid monkeys stop clapping to every crap they throw out?
lapamjuka 6 months ago
almost done with the video, and I really hate those crazy muslim fucks.
3dimensionalJoe 6 months ago
The theists love to quote scientists, how do they explain that 90% plus of the people best able to judge the evidence (members of the national academy, royal societies etc) are atheists?
1empathy 6 months ago
@aatefmagic they werent attacking themselves, they are pointing out that the hypocritical critique of the existence god not existing because u cant "see' him. even though u cant see another multiverse. bla bla bla
TheThrillingTheist 6 months ago
I can't see god? that means he doesn't exist! the guy should have turned it around on him and said that..
avaathome15 7 months ago
19:00 hahaha he can't answer where he got the information from hahaha
avaathome15 7 months ago
The theist side is one fail after another
Roaddogg666 7 months ago
It's clear that the audience often doesn't know what the hell they're clapping about.
Walabinx 7 months ago 2
@32:32 almost said TESTICLE!
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Would you as a religious beleiver in God do good if you were not promised eternal life in heaven?
DaAlphaOmega 7 months ago
14:30 Exactly! What I say..."Live and let live"
buitrami 8 months ago
@buitrami Live and let live would be fine, if religion didn't have such a massively negative impact on society. The mere existence of separate religions cause natural divides in humanity, which only results in conflict and violence (E.g. The Crusades). Tell "live and let live" to Al Qaeda, who are acting according to how they believe their religion wants them to act.
iseebathtubs 8 months ago
@buitrami to add to iseebathtubs response "Faith can't move mountains, but you should see what it does to skyscrapers"~unknown
Religion on a large scale is rather dangerous. Because of the belief that their is life after death, people are willing do die for any cause that they believe is for the greater good, even if it's not. There are also problems of people trusting their beliefs over science and dieing or letting others die because of it. Atheists are taking a stand because we care.
ShrodingerFu 8 months ago
@aatefmagic
AGAIN, you're misreading what i've typed. I said science is proving God's Creation. Proving what's in the universe. How can a person not believe in God? It's baffling. To you is your belief and to me is my belief. Both of us will one day die and it will know who was correct then. Eschatologically proven. But, it will be too late then. As a Muslim I am taught to love for others what I Love for myself, I Love Islam. Regards.
Oo786oO 8 months ago
@Oo786oO "Eschatologically proven." What the hell does that even mean? How can you prove something which hasn't happened yet and no one has any proof that it will? Nonsense.
nyscholartist 4 months ago
@nyscholartist
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Oo786oO 3 months ago
@aatefmagic
Read my statement properly before commenting. I said: "Science is not trying to disprove a Higher Being, it is only attempting to prove His creation." and you responded by affirming what i stated. Science is trying to prove "His creation". I.e. the known world. I most probably disbelieve in the god you disbelieve in. If the god you disbelieve in is a massive man with his foot dangling down the unverse, i also disbelieve in him. I believe in a being not comparable to anything
Oo786oO 8 months ago
@aatefmagic
Science is not trying to disprove a Higher Being, it is only attempting to prove His creation. Take care.
Oo786oO 8 months ago
@aatefmagic
Don't laugh at yourself. I guess you didn't understand that statement. He is using the Athiestic Logic. Muslims believe that we don't NEED to see for a thing to exist. Love cannot be seen. So long ago radiowaves and gamma rays were unknown! But they existed. So sorry, who are "a bunch of mindless robotic idiots"? Certainly not Muslims, Nor Athiests for that matter. Both have beliefs, one belief is a reality. I pray you accept the reality. Peace.
Oo786oO 8 months ago
Ahhh! Such an obvious question to the theists missed!! "One of you is a Christian theist, and the other is a Muslim theist. These two religions have very contrasting beliefs about a deity. So.. which one of you is right?"
oldrockrock 8 months ago
@footballfan4343 oh good lol my bad. i shouldve realised your sarcasm by the quotes. coreys an idiot
nickallah 8 months ago
good these religous people are fools if u cant see it im sorry but the universe is real and i can see it but the god of the bible and quran i cant see being real
FIGHTFANNERD3 8 months ago
@footballfan4343 there is not any evidence for god but theists will present the hypothesis anyway as an explanation. the mutliverse idea however shows that fine tuning does not necessarily point to an intelligent mind who tunes the universe. multiverse is a possibility. so it destroys the notion that fine tuning could ONLY point towards intelligent design. fine tuning fails miserably. and so do you.. peace
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John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life."
The love has been given, don't let it pass you, love is patient, it is waiting for you, God is waiting.
Juan 3:16 "Porque de tal manera amo Dios al mundo, que ha dado a su hijo unegito, para que todo aquel que en el cree, no se pierda mas tega vida eterna."
El amor ya es dado, no lo deje pasar, amor es paciente, te esta esperando, Dios te espera.
EternallyShikaku 9 months ago
I exist, therefore there is a God. Thats the theologians reasoning. FML
sufian2k6 9 months ago
@sufian2k6 pretty much
FIGHTFANNERD3 8 months ago
The level of stupidity on part of the theologists is astonishing.
sufian2k6 9 months ago
Just like islamics to twist logic 180 degrees upon itself, staging this event to 'prove a negative', as if such could be done. This was a 'Special Pleading-athon', they asserted so many attributes to their deity.
To them, Allah is default. By that logic every idea that could be imagined would be true by default.
How pathetic is that?
psycotria 9 months ago
All I see are Muslims in the crowd, poor Dan and Richard...
TheLogicalHuman 9 months ago
Paraphrasing: "Please, no personal attacks, disrespect, and let's use "proper ethics" - says the Muslims, they seem frightened by opposing viewpoints. Why do the Muslim speakers and the moderator demand that the atheist speaker refrain from insulting their imaginary Allah? It appears to me to be intimidation. They are intolerant of intolerance.
manmadesounds 10 months ago
This debate fell on mostly deaf ears, I believe.
iloveredbull 10 months ago
The Muslim seemed to have better arguments and logic.
cbluver22 11 months ago
@cbluver22 Did you even watch the debate?
ivanisavich 10 months ago
@ivanisavich
...........yes
cbluver22 10 months ago
I liked the part 5 minutes in where Carrier put him in his place. The audience looks a bit stacked in favor of the theistic viewpoint though.
superdinoman 11 months ago
The muslim debater is an arrogant prick. One look at his face and you know. Exactly the kind that would strap bombs to himself or crash a plane into a building. His partner is stupid (no better word) and thinks highly of himself. Compare his intellect and the intellect of his opponent the bright young atheist. No comparison.
Klash92 1 year ago
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@aatefmagic
"What a bunch of mindless robotic idiots" - they are muslims...what did you expect?!
itumugur 1 year ago
Why did no one call out the Cory idiot? Or the Muslim cleric for calling people a liar?
It seems all of the behavior modification in this debate was put onto the shoulders of the atheists. (Which is a little typical...)
raintree93 1 year ago
Mr Hasnain is full of rhetoric .... He just knows how to get applause
emaildks 1 year ago
Corey: "god is truth. I think we can all agree god is truth". What a pompous ass.
gigisdad 1 year ago 2
Hey..I exist! (therefore god did it...god exists) Incredibly weak.
gigisdad 1 year ago
@gigisdad what the theist are asking is "where did we come from" can you explain it
lumbogeinee 11 months ago
Disappointed in the atheists here.
SirKickz 1 year ago
@SirKickz Yeah the theists didn't say anything I was impressed with, over all just super weak arguments.
RAWRimaTroll 1 year ago
Would the theists get over their argument from authority against Smolin please? This segment is infuriating.
dhaddox 1 year ago
The hypocrisy was so absurd coming from the theists here.
They struck a stance of indignation in their final speeches instead of rebutting the actual arguments made, then they begin making blanket statements against all atheists, insulting them by even saying they are here to spread lies to confuse everybody.
Wtf is wrong with those people?
Proletariat12 1 year ago
All the comments from atheists here are are negative. They seem hurt. Where is tolerance? They cant bear the defeat and dont believe anything outside there set mind. losers.
far10han 1 year ago
I am going to school as a Physics major and i am a christian... As a student Physic i have studied that ENERGY is ALWAYS transferred and never destroyed. Also I know God is... in Christianity.. is almighty and makes up everything and is in us spiritually.. I believe our spirits are what God is as in every living and non living matter.. thus the energy thats never destroyed. Is infinite energy shared between all infinite space, time[the "11th dimension] and universe on all 10 dimensions .. God?
paradoxblaque 1 year ago
@paradoxblaque
In Islam, it is inaccurate to say, God is in us[humans], God is part of what exists, God is within universe, God is in our hearts, God is in mind, e.g, physical part of Him, etc. Quran says: "Say! He is Allah, the One and Only! Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not nor is He begotten. And there is none like unto Him. " God does not need to obey OUR logic & fit into OUR understanding. He is not energy. We can not model Him physically with physics & math & astronomy.
AbayZumZum 1 year ago
The God squad really showed their ignorance and intolerance throughout the course of this debate.
OurBackToTheDark 1 year ago
i wasnt a racist before this video... now i am
sk1llshot 1 year ago
These two theists Piss me off. They are fucking assholes who need support of 99% of the audience to win this debate. I wish there was a god so he can send these two to hell!
abortion4life666 1 year ago
@abortion4life666 Thats how atheist's stage their discussions. See the Richard Dawkins vdos. Bear it or fuck off.
far10han 1 year ago
I thought this was suppost to be 2 on 2. How is it that the theists are allowed to bring all those straw men? Ohhh. I see, so they can knock them down. Thats pretty sad.
MrKevMan 1 year ago
@MrKevMan I have the same objection on Richard Dawkins videos.
far10han 1 year ago
some really nice arab pussy in the audience. they love sex.
thedayitriedtodie 1 year ago
@thedayitriedtodie
No they dont. They are the ones who created all these anti sex religions.
MrKevMan 1 year ago
@MrKevMan
lol 25 yr old sweet pussy from 2009?
are u kidding?
insecure men did. 1k's of yrs ago.
thedayitriedtodie 1 year ago
@thedayitriedtodie But the web is full of your girls videos/pics of sex. pink/white pussy.
far10han 1 year ago
@far10han
so?!
there is arab pussy too, man. search for it.
open ur eyes to the REAL world, u idiot.
u'll love it.
thedayitriedtodie 1 year ago
what a waste of time, both dodged clear answers and went on insulting the others intelligence and knowledge
kr8or 1 year ago
@footballfan4343 how did you come up with that opinion? you see if you think about it, he dug himself a hole! he doesn't believe in a multiverse because there is no evidence ? well then where is the evidence for God's existence????
kr8or 1 year ago
i have no doubt that Hassanain Rajabali did good job here
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mahamayamaliga 1 year ago
lol Michael Corey said "The whole point of my presentation was not that there was an absence of evidence, but an overwhelming properderonce of evidence", Well I would hope so!! That is the whole point of a debate isn't it?? LOL
VitalSigns1 1 year ago
@Tiger66261 how is the audience ideology attributed to the debate?
ModelbuildingTANKS 1 year ago
Last time I checked arguments caused division. And divided we fall. Don't mess with WWII logic.
I do think it's great their debating though, but it seems to fuel the idiots response. It's always good to argue, but don't let it divide us.
ModelbuildingTANKS 1 year ago
I wish Christopher Hitchens was there. He would have hitchslapped their ignorant asses back to the big bang.
AnotherMasterMind 1 year ago 33
@AnotherMasterMind
hitchens is just a drunk moron who insults instead of debates, he is no smarter then any other sitting here in this debate.
hudfadz 1 year ago
@AnotherMasterMind
I cant vote up your comment enough.....i do miss seeing a good hitchslap!!!
itumugur 1 year ago
@AnotherMasterMind Christopher Hitchens is alright but these guys did a good job
FIGHTFANNERD3 8 months ago
@AnotherMasterMind is not the point of a debate to expand the minds of someone, and to make them think openly, and differently, not to make someone worng, or humiliate them, or to start a slang match
hussainyahussain1 4 months ago
3:11 atheists pwned.
TheThrillingTheist 1 year ago
@TheThrillingTheist @3:30:00 theists jail raped up their ass all the way back to the BIG bang
nickallah 8 months ago
The theists won this debate, but thats only because they were widely supported by most of the audience, who are probably like 95% theist
Tiger66261 1 year ago
It must be hard to have this discussion in a room full of religious people. It can't be fair.
fake2 1 year ago
I hate pretentious people.
xM3GATRONx 1 year ago
Another mess.
They speak in microphones, science wins.
THE END.
deemzje 1 year ago
@deemzje
But you don't see, God is working inside those microphones. Infidel!! Infidel!!
Apjooz 1 year ago
@Apjooz
So why don't