Meta-Magick - Magick and NLP - Up/Down Thinking

[loverainthunder]

Fun fun fun... smart stuff too. Thank you.

[entheogenic1]

Very cool. I tried this with my friends and it works surprisingly well! I mean, almost scary how well it works!

[VictorMalvado]

Very good. Quite inspirational too. Thanks for posting it man.

[punjow]

so the act of intent will affect people working in direct contact with you? is it when they are focused on the person with the intent to alter to situation or when they are merely working together that intent will affect the others?

[metamagick]

Test all those options for yourself and find out. And maybe test with inanimate objects, too.

[zerosum2012]

Awesome stuff, I remember some kind of think like this when I was a kid where you put someone in a chair and lift (been a long time can't remember the specifics) same type scenario. Any chance you will come out with more Vid's?

[tapper36]

That was an interesting demonstration.

[acidtones1]

That's awesome stuff.

[metamagick]

I'm still rejecting comments from silly people who keep guessing about whether this is a "trick" or not, without actually practicing. If you can't find 2 friends to do something crazy with, you've got bigger problems than worrying about youtube videos. If you think it will work or not work with a chair or wonly after eating cheese or whatever, then PERFORM THE EXPERIMENT. If you are just guessing or repeating someone else's opinion from a book, you are missing the point entirely.

[burkspatrick]

in martial arts it's called rooting.

[TRIPLE333THREAT]

Why not do one while sitting in a chair? Have the two helpers pick you up by each grabbing a side, without touching your body.

[metamagick]

Sure... that's a good test, too. There are a thousand variations.

[HypnoSnoopy]

It's not laziness I actually put a lot of thought and time into studying your video and crafting my reply. I've also put effort into some research... This happens to be a classic mentalism stage trick. Google on "Georgia Magnet". It's been performed for 100 years. MM you seem sincere, but I think you are underestimating your own subconscious ability to learn to subtly adjust fulcrum and leverage. It's not a criticism of your ability. It's just an attribution of cause effect relationship.

[metamagick]

For your googling pleasure, try "Aikido Ki Testing"... of which this is an example. I make no claims HOW this works. We've done this hundreds of times with numerous people and with a 99% success rate. I find it really amazing how much effort people put into confirming their own beliefs without actually testing them. You're using the James Randi Fallacy - if it can be faked, it has been faked. Come back again when you've demonstrated the cajones to put your beliefs to the test.

[HypnoSnoopy]

I could do this, but it's based on leverage not magick. When he "thinks down" he relaxes both arms so his elbows are sticking out wider from his body. Look at it frame by frame. PR (Person Right) has an awkward stance further away. Once PR stops lifting due to bad stance and leverage, PL only lifts a few more inches. This is because at that point he's no longer lifting 50% but rather, he's trying to lift the entire body mass up and over the axis of rotation which is PR.

[metamagick]

"I could do this... but I've already made up my mind." And ANOTHER one who is making assumptions without actually performing the experiment. DO IT YOURSELF. Play with elbow positions if you think that's the key. Vary them. Keep them constant. Further comments from guessing people who don't have the wherewithall to actually check it out for themselves will not be approved. It's redundant and only shows your own laziness.

[danielherreragarza]

Um...when you dont want to be lifted you just tense your muscles...everyone knows this since you are a kid

[metamagick]

Ah... another person who a) didn't perform the experiment for himself, b) didn't watch the other video demonstrations, and c) didn't even read the other comments. Sorry, try again.

[northern35s]

The emphasis is with the person being lifted, you could tell the other chaps, doing the lifting, pretty much anything and the height lifyed would only change when you want it to. I used to do this kind of stuff in martial arts, it depends on how you program your body to react to an outside stimulus, if you don't want to be lifted you won't be.

[seadawg93]

I've done simillar exercises and I know that they work, with or without the other people knowing what's going to happen.

I believe however that (with no intention to "trick") the operator's body acts differently based on what s/he wants to happen.

agree? disagree?

[metamagick]

Sure, this is definitely about bodies acting differently. I'll upload some more soon that demonstrate the effect on the body very directly... and at the same time start to take it back toward classic magick.

[xtraa]

Hey, thank you for being so nice and putting these on the net, I really enjoyed them and I will try them as soon as possible :)

Have you tried the "invisible v.s. V.I.P" effect? It works good in a crowd, to let others make room for you or just makes the aura small if you see something you don't want to meet.

Really amazing.

[metamagick]

All kinds of fun things that you can do with crowds. There are some classic theater exercises that work with extending the aura to encompass your audience.

[Galmiza]

By the fact you tell them you are thinking about something which is very high, they think they are helped by a magic force. Thus they are more efficient because they know they can do it (~placebo effect).

But, during the last seconds they lift you up while they do not know what you are thinking of. There should not be any difference since your weight remains the same.

The difference comes from their tiredness, doesn't it ?

[metamagick]

Good guess... but no. We've done this in every possible order and combination, with a few people and with large rooms full of people (working in threes, that is), with people who knew what was "supposed" to happen, and people who had no clue... and the results are usually the same.

But rather than taking my word for it (or play guessing games about the "trick" to it)... practice it yourself and learn what YOU are capable of doing!

[simonjeste]

In the other video (with the attention on the wall behind you vs. in front of you) Mr. Farber got the audience to do it with a partner just so they could experience it themselves.

[metamagick]

And likewise, this exercise can by practiced pretty much by any three people. It seems less important that some guy on a 'net video can do this and much more important that we all can. (And, in fact, we do this kind of thing all the time, without paying attention to it.)

[OllieCole]

Interesting stuff..

[roidroid]

isn't this just because he's keeping his arms/shoulders ridgid when he wants to be lifted, and he's relaxing his arms/shoulders when he doesn't want to be lifted?

[metamagick]

It's no trick. Perform the experiment for yourself... That's the point. These are all things you can practice yourself.