@John3285: Yep, Ronald D. Moore started his career writing for TNG, then went on to write for DS9 and also held executive producer status on that show.
@williamskidfears At least BSG was better than that Enterprise crap called a prequel. The should've turned DS9 into straight-to-DVD and ended what has become a worthless franchise at that pathetic excuse of a show called Voyager.
@cw8jwh Enterprise really wasn't crap til Rick Berman stuck his hand in it and inflicted the whole Xindi storyline on us during season 3(ending it with the usual Trek time travel crap didn't help either). What Paramount should have insisted on was a genuine prequel sequeing into the Romulan War and leaving out the Temporal Cold War garbage altogether.
@williamskidfears As for the show which ripped off Babylon 5, it should never have been made, same with Voyager and all of the TNG movies. Paramount should've FIRED Berman and his gay twat Ronald D. MacDonald, terminated the franchise at season six of TNG, and blacklisted both of them to the point where they couldn't get jobs directing porn, instead of allowing them, and Berman's other minions, such as that douchebag Brannon Braga, to not only destroy the Trek franchise but as much of
@williamskidfears I vehemently disagree with you there. BSG was great, from a theatrical and even thematic point, all the way to MOST of the sub-plots and character interactions. Lexx is an abysmal and utterly unforgivable amount of rabid bovine defecation, and everyone in this world is much worse off than before, for Lexx to even be an idea let alone actually exist in 'entertainment'.
@williamskidfears Ok, you do have a good point there. If I could, I would buy out the entire Star Trek franchise, and bury it in a vault for at least 10 or 20 years, then dust it off and do it the way Mr Roddenberry would've wanted to see it turn out over time.
@cw8jwh Absolutely. Make it truly fresh, instead of giving it lens flare and flashy special effects to make it seem new. I recommend the fan made series ST:Phase II for an idea of what one can do with the franchise, given good stories.
@williamskidfears The biggest problem would be to decide how much of an 'over-arching' series theme to keep. That will affect everything down to sub-plots and character interactions. I tend to take Mr Roddenberry's approach and use it to comment on current social and 'human condition' circumstances. And then designing back-story and fore-story ( for those time travel-related episode arcs ) that will make sense from within the over-arching paradigm driving the show.
@williamskidfears And then there is the whole historical continuity that got screwed with the people who ruined the franchise to make another buck. How to maintain that continuity while coming up with fresh and relevant material to script about. It would be a nightmare, but worth it if I ever had the opportunity.
I thought at the very end they should have kept the techonology but still end up failing (lots of reasons possible) but that the Colonials could have been the formation of all the aliens visiting Earth myths or even for Atlantis. Expecting some 30+ thousand peeps to just go native was always hokey. Considering most simply dont have the skillset and they are on a foreign planet I imagine most died off quickly.
they really did fuck that series up, each season got progressivley worse, but you can never convince fanboys of that. they just eat whatever they are fed.
I'm kinda confused what people interpret as "the ending" Like the whole episode or the very end where it showed 150,000 years later? Sure, that part was dumb, but there were some parts that were beautiful such as that final R&A scene. I even teared up a little there and I'm a dude.
When season 4 ended, I wasn't expecting another season because that story felt pretty complete so I don't get where people come from expecting a season 5.
@downbeat0 the other cylon was an artistic individual who did not share Number 1's war mongering and was permanently disabled by him out of jealousy. he wasn't as important to the story, other than to emphasize #1's cruelty. i think Kara was not so much an angel, but a temporarily resurrected human who had to complete her role/"destiny" since she died prematurely.
Aside from explaining all the frustrations I had with the ending, it was a creative way to put such great acting and such a monstrous yet coloufrul character to act it out. Well done, Thank you. This should be added to future BSG box sets ( that will surely be produced ).
@imicusdown Well, if it didn't take place 150,000 years ago, then it would have taken place in the present day, no? In which case, Earth would have been founded 150,000 years ago by one of the original tribes of Kobol by flying a spaceship there, in the same way we see the galactica do it in the show. It's really no more unrealistic.
I personally had no problems with the "spiritual" aspects -- angels, gods, whatever. Think of them as GLAs (God Like Aliens) if you like. I don't see people screaming over Q from Star Trek and he was FAR worse.
No, the only real issue I had with the ending was the whole "...and they all went native" bit. They gave up their technology, history, culture, etc -- and in just thirty seconds of screentime. The way to prevent another Cylon betrayal was to REMEMBER what happened, not forget it!
@Ranillon They went native to explain our prehistory and modern culture. I wonder what happened to other survivors, we know people was left behind on New Caprica and even in the original 12 colonies.
My God... Saying the finale was shit is like an insult to yourself! Can you brainless idiots really be so naive and childlike? Do you need everything out on the plate for you? The plot was great and obviously just a little too in depth for you mindless cunts, I understood it and thought it was magical, i shed tears at it and i loved it. Looking at reasons why people hate it, it only makes them look like pricks with no taste in character or story. You people should still be reading Harry Potter.
Yes the ending was something of a letdown. Another thing that bothered me was the willingness of all the colonials to forsake all their technology and fly their ships into the sun. I mean like WTF? These idiots have spent four seasons groping at Adama and Roslin's necks' going from one trouble to the next with strikes, mutiny, rebellions and riots and now Lee Adama says,"lets go native!" and 39,000 people just agree.
ending sucked. Series was great otherwise. Its just obvious the writers didnt really have a plan for the ending and apparently they came up with the ending based on a shower epiphany by ron moore, lol. For me the show ended when the battlestar went past the moon. I choose to ignore the last hour and enjoy the rest of the show.
another point i wish to mke is that the writers and producers knew exactly where hey wanted to go with it and almost all of the unanswered questions lft after the finale are answered in The Plan.
well in my opinion this was an amazing ending. It explained everything for me from starucks special destiny to roslins shared visions with ahena and caprica six. it also explained how it linked in with our own universe. the religious side of the show never bothered me. it was the religion that often drove the story forward and everything that happened in the previous four seasons was leading to this moment and it was the best series ending i've ever watched.
@Fischerstechen I think I would have been ok with some sort of divine force, after all the universe is quite big. But why use Christ ? For me its was fun seeing a different universe the we have at home. Very similar to the one we have today but at the same time not so similar. By using GOD they bridged our universe with the BSG one in a manner I didnt like. I just don´t believe in God so thats why I didnt like the ending. People who do believe in God was probably thrilled by the ending......
it doesnt really matter what happened to starbuck and answering all the questions etc. important are those few minutes in the end - the message and thats what makes it a good ending.
In the original story star buck was betray by a colonial pilot who was jealous about Star buck womanizing.Ambush to the Cylons he spend months in a cylon prison camp there he had a revelation about how to get to earth,while there he manage to befriend a cylon centuries and help him escape to exile and spend the rest of life writing texts under the influence new bond faith.But this was too long to be put in production and cost,so it was settle for a smaller and shorter version instead.
I think they did plan it out. Christ I never thought so many people hated it that much! The only thing I didn't like about BSG is that they never had anything about razor in the series beforehand which makes no sense considering it was such a big thing. I personally LOVED the ending.
Christ with people like this it's a wonder anyone actually bothered to watch lost all the way through.
I long ago gave up hope of these complex, suck-you-in shows like this being designed with a coherent, non-crap ending in mind. X-Files broke me of that FOREVER.
what if jesus were alive today skit. A smart self doubting god that though the world messed up so there was none, with a penchant for wine and hookers, hated by everybody as a peace loving hippy, coming in to save the day & himself. RDM may say there was no plan, & there was not on alot, but there was on the central arc. Strike killed first f5 plot, sorry, it was better, and allowed new earth to def float through, But hey, c'mon, we did much better than Lost. At least it wasnt a christian dream
@kns1864 careful or the smoke monster will get you, and say what you want about our ending, but at least it wasnt 'this was all a dream and jeebus did it as a dog licks your face' lol
dudes-i was a staff writer and even i laughed my a$ off on this one. Im working on my next project and revisiting my old stuff to try and get in the groove again. Anyone who complained about starbuck or anders etc, well, sorry. We fd up with them but we didnt really care about them. Anyone that didnt get the whole show was about Baltar, well, not our bad. S1 had the ep titled the hand of god when baltars hand points out where the cylon base was. The whole show for me was a (2nd comment coming)
I was a huge fan of this show until the finale. It became clear that there was no plan and they were making it up as they went along. I'm with Hitler on this one.
By plan you mean the Cylon plan? Or by plan you mean the overall plot arc plan? 'Cause the overall plot plan arc plan was a big 'God is an asshole and God did it.' The other, the Cylon plan was a big "I wanna be special, I wanna teach my parents a lesson."
The coherent things got explained, the others not very much so. Kinda like Space Odyssey.
I,ts sad that bsg got so stubid in the end. Season 1 and 2 were good but in season 3 things got bad. Sloppy writing, made-up character development and too much religious mysticism. And the ending,though a homage to the original series, just didn,t make any fucking sense. When I watch other scifi I ussually feel pretty good about the way how future is potrayed, but bsg thesedays gives me a creepy, religious vibe.
It wasn't quite a make it up yourself ending either, though it is often taken that way. I thought it was pretty obvious. Man believes that once he creates a machine smarter than himself, the machine will rise up, destroy, and replace him. But in all probability man will eventually merge with machine (Ray Kurzweil's singularity) and eventually evolve into an intelligence that contemporary man could only characterise as "divine". The merging of man and machine (Hera) is the conclusion of the show.
They NEVER planned it out, but kept acting like they did...by seasons 3 and 4 we could blatantly tell they were making it up as they went along, introducing "questions" that even they had no answers to....then they slapped together a "god did it" ending...or rather a "isn't it great? The ending is whatever you want it to be!" ending" then gave themselves a pat on the back......acting like anyone who didn't like it just "wasn't smart enough"
@Remember5thONovember If you watch the series again, you will find to your surprise that "God did it" was part and parcel of the whole show from the very beginning, starting with the miniseries. Every season had some "supernatural" element. The dreams, prophecies, messengers, the supernova etc. Would you have liked it better if all that was explained away via some bullshit pseudoscience instead?
@flockofseagulls87 if you follow the show from the beginning...you'll realize that "Head-Six's" actions never followed a coherent pattern, except to drive the plot forward.
If you follow the show from the beginning, in the podcasts and interviews, even the writers said they had no idea if she was a hallucination or a chip or an angel.
They just made it up as they went along and by season 3 it all fell apart.
@Remember5thONovember Few shows have a coherent plan from the beginning. You make it up as you go along. That's what writing is. How you think the "deus ex machina" was completely out of the blue is beyond me. Even in the miniseries, head six knew things that were impossible to know by rational means. The season 1 finale was a pretty straightforward look at the series finale itself. How is it not completely obvious that the God explanation was already being worked out at that point?
@flockofseagulls87 ...because even the writers would actively say, all the time on the bboards and interviews, that they weren't sure what Head Six was and that she was probably a Cylon chip in his head; and that she knew things that rationally Baltar could not know, because it was all a Cylon plot, not a hallucination. Helfer herself said they thought this.
Again: its not that "God did it" is inherently a bad answer...but that it was just picked at the last minute, not set up well enough.
@Remember5thONovember I understand what you're saying, and please don't take offense to his; but I honestly don't see how the references to God or a supernatural divinity could possibly be missed. The "Hand of God" episode makes that concise and clear. The passage from colonial scripture "the serpents numbering 2 and 10", the shooting down of the olympic carrier in 33 when six asks baltar to "repent". It's all there. Clear as day.
@Remember5thONovember Apparently the God of galactica works in mysterious ways. There was a lot of ambiguity in the words and deeds of the "angels". Head Six behaved differently at different times because that is what the situation called for. If you look back on the series, you will see that most of her actions served the purpose of helping Baltar protect Hera. In order to do this, her advise had helped the cylons as often as it helped the humans.
@flockofseagulls87 Even "Supernatural" follows "plot logic" --- it doesn't have to be "science"
Even if the religious stuff was "real" that's not the point: the point is that it didn't add up to a coherent plot -- even Buffy the Vampire Slayer had "magical" stuff happening, but for logical, established rules and reasons.
BSG just pulled a bunny out of a hat....replacing the technological "deus ex machina" of Voyager with a LITERAL deus ex machina.
@Remember5thONovember Roslin's dreams, Starbuck's destiny, head six's telling Baltar that the asteroid battle was foretold in scripture, the supernova, and the fact that the word God was used in almost every episode are only a few examples but should have made the finale pretty damn clear.
@Remember5thONovember Bringing one of the best series(in my opinion) to an end is never easy and to not disappoint people, they gave them the option to imagine what the ending is. Imagining an ending and not being told is better than being told an ending that not everyone would agree with. I personally think the last few seasons were confusing but it all worked with the ending they chose of godly things happening. I actually cried when starbuck and the admiral left forever. Really good imo
@Xemptuous "make up your own ending" is often an excuse of lazy writing. Yes, it has been successfully used a few times, but particularly in this case...it wasn't just "decide what it meant on your own" but..."all of the plot twists we were leading you through by the nose with actually didn't make sense.
I've seen many people say "I cried at the ending!" -- what, specifically, made you cry? Judged *as an ending*, was it a tear-jerker?
Or....were you simply crying because the show ended?
Theoretically, if you skipped the final 60 minutes, and were simply sad "in general" at the fact that the show was ending, not HOW it ended....then it really wasn't a "good ending".
Did you feel emotional because of what the "ending" was or just that it ended?
Example: at the end of LOTR, you might just be sad it was over. Instead, it emphasizes that Frodo never had peace after that, which is "sad".
@Remember5thONovember Hell no. I was sad at the end of LOTR because gandalf had to go on a boat with frodo leaving the others behind. I got sad in BSG because starbuck disappeared and i imagine that happening to my best friend and I and i was thinking how sad i'd be if he was an angel and I discovered that. It's also the song that plays right after she disappears. That song in general is depressing.
@Xemptuous but that's so random: "by the way I was an Angel"....
....you know I don't want to stress that too much; while I feel they utterly failed at conveying the idea effectively, I can sort of forgive the whole angel thing (and Head Six etc.) because they had vague hints along those lines (not planned out but) and I understand their idea that you can't "explain" higher powers....though they pursued contradictory goals.
The Final Five thing, on the other hand, was a bad attempt at shock.
@Remember5thONovember The final five thing was planned from the beginning because they HAD to include 5 more cylons because in season 0(pre season 1) Number Six said there are 12 models and so they had to fill it in. I felt that tory shouldn't have been one of them because i never liked her at all but the others weren't that bad.
@Xemptuous ...you....fool. If the Final Five were "planned from the beginning", why did they make Boomer "Number Eight" in season 2, only to then realize that if there were "five" more Cylons, who *are not* numbered, that would go up to 13? Yes they came up with the Daniel thing, but it was obviously a retcon.
@Remember5thONovember Boomer was always supposed to be a number eight, that's why there are multiple of her. They even showed u she was a cylon in the miniseries before season 1. Besides, anything that happened up to season 3 was planned. They had the whole story up to season 3 written already but they then expanded it. The writer said that at a press conference.
@Xemptuous ...how does Boomer being a Cylon, prove she was "Number Eight". Let me be explicit: I'm not saying "Boomer is 8" in the sense of "Boomer is a Cylon" --- accepting that Boomer is a Cylon, in season 2 they came up with the idea that her model number is "Number Eight". That was not planned out.
Is there a press conference video you can link to? The ones I've seen from Paley have the writers *bragging* that they made it up as it went along.
@Remember5thONovember Well sure I can see how the story would have made more sense if boomer wasn't number 8 because now there's 13 cylons, but who cares? If they made the storyline from the beginning as there being 13 cylon models, you would just find another way to go off about this show. It doesn't matter about these little things, it's the big picture. The drama, the action, the humor, and the suspense of the whole storyline.
@Xemptuous To continue with that: was there something specific about *how* it ended that you felt was sad?
Or were they simply *manipulating your nostalgia*? "Starbuack" and "Admiral Adama" were already *functionally* gone by season 3.
Parallel: when "Enterprise" ended, they ran an insulting "coda" episode to remind everyone how great TNG was....hoping this would pull at our nostalgia strings. Instead it was insulting.
@Remember5thONovember That sounds like desperation. Characters are based on their logical outgrowth....not zany plot twists for shock value.
The weird thing is that, in videos of Ron Moore on youtube from conventions, you can tell he has certain "talking points" he falls back onto; he'll start ranting about how "The show is about the characters!"....by which he means as opposed to mindless explosions and fights....but that doesn't fix the character assassinations in seasons 3 and 4.
@Remember5thONovember They never acted like they planned it out. Ron Moore said repeatedly that they wrote it as they went along, just like all serial dramas are written. And THEY INDEED DID wrap up the series and all the plot elements, unlike a certain other show (LOST!). Ron was honest and transparent.
And Battlestar was never about questions (again, unlike LOST). It was about the characters and about exploring the complexities of politics, war, religion, and the military in a post 9/11 world.
@Pwells1 i wish i could "thumb up" your post more than once, especially the 2nd paragraph. well said. what i took from the show is that "god" and the "angels" are implied to be some kind of highly evolved species, which to us lowly humans would appear as divine beings. i don't see why they couldn't resurrect Starbuck to fulfill her mission or implant dream sequences and a "trigger" song into simpler organisms.
Hitler's right you guys. Cept about heroes
BWGgy 1 week ago
Very funny, well put together! asks the same questions I did!.
96rottie 1 week ago
They should of told him about Caprica... oh wait; better not
Keithurama 2 weeks ago
I'm possibly the only one but I thought BSG was great. A nice season 1 and 2 with a great ending in 3 and 4. I just loved the entire series.
So say we all !!!
dennakray 3 weeks ago
He worked on DS9?, also 'those inglorious bastards" lol
John3285 1 month ago
@John3285: Yep, Ronald D. Moore started his career writing for TNG, then went on to write for DS9 and also held executive producer status on that show.
reapeater 1 month ago
@reapeater I was wondering where I knew his name from
John3285 1 month ago
Only proves BSG fans are all Nazis! End of line.
williamskidfears 1 month ago
@williamskidfears At least BSG was better than that Enterprise crap called a prequel. The should've turned DS9 into straight-to-DVD and ended what has become a worthless franchise at that pathetic excuse of a show called Voyager.
cw8jwh 3 weeks ago
@cw8jwh Enterprise really wasn't crap til Rick Berman stuck his hand in it and inflicted the whole Xindi storyline on us during season 3(ending it with the usual Trek time travel crap didn't help either). What Paramount should have insisted on was a genuine prequel sequeing into the Romulan War and leaving out the Temporal Cold War garbage altogether.
williamskidfears 3 weeks ago
@williamskidfears As for the show which ripped off Babylon 5, it should never have been made, same with Voyager and all of the TNG movies. Paramount should've FIRED Berman and his gay twat Ronald D. MacDonald, terminated the franchise at season six of TNG, and blacklisted both of them to the point where they couldn't get jobs directing porn, instead of allowing them, and Berman's other minions, such as that douchebag Brannon Braga, to not only destroy the Trek franchise but as much of
williamskidfears 3 weeks ago
@williamskidfears science-fiction TV they could get their filthy hands on.
And, you know what else. I would just as soon watch the Canadian space porn called Lexx before I'd watch an episode of BSG.
williamskidfears 3 weeks ago
@williamskidfears I vehemently disagree with you there. BSG was great, from a theatrical and even thematic point, all the way to MOST of the sub-plots and character interactions. Lexx is an abysmal and utterly unforgivable amount of rabid bovine defecation, and everyone in this world is much worse off than before, for Lexx to even be an idea let alone actually exist in 'entertainment'.
cw8jwh 3 weeks ago
@williamskidfears Ok, you do have a good point there. If I could, I would buy out the entire Star Trek franchise, and bury it in a vault for at least 10 or 20 years, then dust it off and do it the way Mr Roddenberry would've wanted to see it turn out over time.
cw8jwh 3 weeks ago
@cw8jwh Absolutely. Make it truly fresh, instead of giving it lens flare and flashy special effects to make it seem new. I recommend the fan made series ST:Phase II for an idea of what one can do with the franchise, given good stories.
williamskidfears 3 weeks ago
@williamskidfears The biggest problem would be to decide how much of an 'over-arching' series theme to keep. That will affect everything down to sub-plots and character interactions. I tend to take Mr Roddenberry's approach and use it to comment on current social and 'human condition' circumstances. And then designing back-story and fore-story ( for those time travel-related episode arcs ) that will make sense from within the over-arching paradigm driving the show.
cw8jwh 3 weeks ago
@williamskidfears And then there is the whole historical continuity that got screwed with the people who ruined the franchise to make another buck. How to maintain that continuity while coming up with fresh and relevant material to script about. It would be a nightmare, but worth it if I ever had the opportunity.
cw8jwh 3 weeks ago
i love how when he said i'll watch Heroes instead, the guy is looking like "oh boy we got some bad news bout that too"
guyinthewhiteT 1 month ago 2
He should have watched LOST instead...
ISMOPANAMA 1 month ago
"Don't worry, you got him a gift receipt." LOLOLOLOL
PatriotCondor 2 months ago 2
I thought at the very end they should have kept the techonology but still end up failing (lots of reasons possible) but that the Colonials could have been the formation of all the aliens visiting Earth myths or even for Atlantis. Expecting some 30+ thousand peeps to just go native was always hokey. Considering most simply dont have the skillset and they are on a foreign planet I imagine most died off quickly.
ClearSmashDrop 2 months ago
this was nothing short of brilliant! Bravo... I laughed until i almost passed out!
MerwinMondesir 2 months ago
lol, so who is going to break it to him about heroes?, LOL
theuser69696969 2 months ago 4
Brilliant.
bunnyman09 2 months ago
hilarious.
crankyasianman 2 months ago
lol, i didn't agree with his explanation but the secret santa thing was fucking hilarious.
ColonelChamberlain 2 months ago
they really did fuck that series up, each season got progressivley worse, but you can never convince fanboys of that. they just eat whatever they are fed.
Darwyn7 3 months ago
writing a good line for the crying girl is my favorite part of these vids... good job on this one.... gift receipt! hahaha
talktorocky 3 months ago
Ok I'm actually with Hitler on this one.
black25330 3 months ago
I'm kinda confused what people interpret as "the ending" Like the whole episode or the very end where it showed 150,000 years later? Sure, that part was dumb, but there were some parts that were beautiful such as that final R&A scene. I even teared up a little there and I'm a dude.
When season 4 ended, I wasn't expecting another season because that story felt pretty complete so I don't get where people come from expecting a season 5.
Dirkasnivs 3 months ago
What Hitler did to deserve all these? Well, let's begin, shall we?
But for the love of Zeus, don't do it Hitler, put the Heroes DVDs down. Not even you deserve this.
PastitsiosGR 4 months ago
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jamgrasss 4 months ago
The "Heroes" bit at the end makes this.
remaftp 4 months ago
They've find Earth, but not Fegelein. That's why he's pissed.
EduardoTVideos 4 months ago
I'm sorry to say but Hitler is right on this one. A monkey could've written a better ending to a fabulous show
revolt1492 5 months ago
@revolt1492 Fraking right!
abbefaria1 3 months ago
Damn, you weren't in the front , when God dealded out brains uh
bsg75husker 5 months ago
LMFAO "I watched it this long just to see Anders fly the fucking ship into the sun!"
SilensDiabolus 5 months ago 5
@downbeat0 the other cylon was an artistic individual who did not share Number 1's war mongering and was permanently disabled by him out of jealousy. he wasn't as important to the story, other than to emphasize #1's cruelty. i think Kara was not so much an angel, but a temporarily resurrected human who had to complete her role/"destiny" since she died prematurely.
DuctTapePwnz 6 months ago
@DuctTapePwnz
i think there was a plot around Starbuck's destiny... how her mother prepared her to her future role, how she could draw that weird thing and all..
darkfelony 4 months ago
"I'll just have to start watching Heroes". lol
Yerflua 6 months ago
Lame beginning--lame middle--lame ending
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ThisisAliFareedshow 6 months ago
Aside from explaining all the frustrations I had with the ending, it was a creative way to put such great acting and such a monstrous yet coloufrul character to act it out. Well done, Thank you. This should be added to future BSG box sets ( that will surely be produced ).
pfrize70 6 months ago
Hm its not funny, when you speak german
schleichdi 6 months ago
I wonder how angry Hitler was when he saw season 4 of heroes....
ColdVolano22 6 months ago
the survivors became the Bankers who currently run the world a.k.a the Illuminati
neolistic 6 months ago
Shit finale.
I mean, 150,000 years ago is when it all happened? That wasen't planned.
imicusdown 6 months ago
@imicusdown Well, if it didn't take place 150,000 years ago, then it would have taken place in the present day, no? In which case, Earth would have been founded 150,000 years ago by one of the original tribes of Kobol by flying a spaceship there, in the same way we see the galactica do it in the show. It's really no more unrealistic.
Pwells1 6 months ago
should i buy pokemon heartgold or soulsilver?
krapas56 7 months ago
I personally had no problems with the "spiritual" aspects -- angels, gods, whatever. Think of them as GLAs (God Like Aliens) if you like. I don't see people screaming over Q from Star Trek and he was FAR worse.
No, the only real issue I had with the ending was the whole "...and they all went native" bit. They gave up their technology, history, culture, etc -- and in just thirty seconds of screentime. The way to prevent another Cylon betrayal was to REMEMBER what happened, not forget it!
Ranillon 7 months ago 2
@Ranillon They went native to explain our prehistory and modern culture. I wonder what happened to other survivors, we know people was left behind on New Caprica and even in the original 12 colonies.
cmsahe 7 months ago
My God... Saying the finale was shit is like an insult to yourself! Can you brainless idiots really be so naive and childlike? Do you need everything out on the plate for you? The plot was great and obviously just a little too in depth for you mindless cunts, I understood it and thought it was magical, i shed tears at it and i loved it. Looking at reasons why people hate it, it only makes them look like pricks with no taste in character or story. You people should still be reading Harry Potter.
Willsr14 7 months ago
@Willsr14 lol @ your life.
HelloIdiotsWhatsUp 4 months ago
Yes the ending was something of a letdown. Another thing that bothered me was the willingness of all the colonials to forsake all their technology and fly their ships into the sun. I mean like WTF? These idiots have spent four seasons groping at Adama and Roslin's necks' going from one trouble to the next with strikes, mutiny, rebellions and riots and now Lee Adama says,"lets go native!" and 39,000 people just agree.
killer3000ad 8 months ago
@killer3000ad there are radioactive ruins in India, so civilization and conflict continued for a while ;)
cmsahe 7 months ago
@cmsahe The radioactive ruins in India is a hoax just look it up.
StevenZB1 6 months ago
this is one of the best one of these that ive seen. i think it says it all. an awesome series, but loose and airy ending.
severrnijKGU 8 months ago
They're making all these prequel series for BSG...I want to see one of the final five on the first Earth.
MCulpa 9 months ago
ending sucked. Series was great otherwise. Its just obvious the writers didnt really have a plan for the ending and apparently they came up with the ending based on a shower epiphany by ron moore, lol. For me the show ended when the battlestar went past the moon. I choose to ignore the last hour and enjoy the rest of the show.
IntheeyesofMorbo 9 months ago
LOL - This is by far the most inspired video - comment for BSG's questionable finale. Thumbs up reapeater!
About the finale....there is so much to be said, but after all....isn't it what the producers were dreaming of? :)
But throwing the ships to the sun....so say we NOOOO
puressence0 9 months ago
My Fuhrer, all this has happened before, and will happen again. and again. and again. and again. and again. end of line.
camastasia 10 months ago 30
another point i wish to mke is that the writers and producers knew exactly where hey wanted to go with it and almost all of the unanswered questions lft after the finale are answered in The Plan.
GAPgayandproud2007 10 months ago
well in my opinion this was an amazing ending. It explained everything for me from starucks special destiny to roslins shared visions with ahena and caprica six. it also explained how it linked in with our own universe. the religious side of the show never bothered me. it was the religion that often drove the story forward and everything that happened in the previous four seasons was leading to this moment and it was the best series ending i've ever watched.
GAPgayandproud2007 10 months ago
lol
SkillHornskillz 10 months ago
@Fischerstechen I think I would have been ok with some sort of divine force, after all the universe is quite big. But why use Christ ? For me its was fun seeing a different universe the we have at home. Very similar to the one we have today but at the same time not so similar. By using GOD they bridged our universe with the BSG one in a manner I didnt like. I just don´t believe in God so thats why I didnt like the ending. People who do believe in God was probably thrilled by the ending......
arveduilastking 10 months ago
it doesnt really matter what happened to starbuck and answering all the questions etc. important are those few minutes in the end - the message and thats what makes it a good ending.
vymrdejsi 11 months ago
@Fischerstechen God did it doesnt feel very complex.
arveduilastking 11 months ago
Man, I feel bad for agreeing with Hitler.
loner1878 11 months ago
So say we all mein fuhrer lol
pvc2head 11 months ago
THis has been one of the funnier Hitler Bunker scene re-edits I have seen. It was dead on too. Funny how Hitler Agrees with Howard Stern, lol.
ricogoldstar 1 year ago
Bullshit ending.
Usul573 1 year ago
In the original story star buck was betray by a colonial pilot who was jealous about Star buck womanizing.Ambush to the Cylons he spend months in a cylon prison camp there he had a revelation about how to get to earth,while there he manage to befriend a cylon centuries and help him escape to exile and spend the rest of life writing texts under the influence new bond faith.But this was too long to be put in production and cost,so it was settle for a smaller and shorter version instead.
humberlick 1 year ago
where can i buy the BSG action figuers?
MrWooaa 1 year ago
The ending is great......if you dont think about it and just accept it like a trained dog.
LordXehenniar 1 year ago 8
@LordXehenniar the ending is not the problem! It was only too fast and there are lot of questions remaining!
raoulhery 3 months ago
LOL " Inglorious Bastards"
UndyingHunter1 1 year ago
There is a reason why BSG finished in a "DEUS EX MACHINA" way : Americans are obsessed by religion.
Nevertheless, it's a very great show and I miss it !
Cognim 1 year ago
it's all Fegelein's Fault
CrypticWatcher 1 year ago 3
takes glasses off: Who wanna touch my ding ding dong
tiagom135 1 year ago
I agree what the fuck was starbuck?! Why the hell did it have to be an opera house?!
futbolusa 1 year ago 2
I had the same reaction
futbolusa 1 year ago
I think they did plan it out. Christ I never thought so many people hated it that much! The only thing I didn't like about BSG is that they never had anything about razor in the series beforehand which makes no sense considering it was such a big thing. I personally LOVED the ending.
Christ with people like this it's a wonder anyone actually bothered to watch lost all the way through.
P.S. I've still not seen season 4 of Heroes yet.
CortanaFTW 1 year ago 2
I long ago gave up hope of these complex, suck-you-in shows like this being designed with a coherent, non-crap ending in mind. X-Files broke me of that FOREVER.
horgensnot 1 year ago
Fuck all of you haters!! The ending was great!
Exverlobter 1 year ago
I agree with Der Fuhrer on this. At least I never purchased the dvds. The idiot. :-)
kns1864 1 year ago
what if jesus were alive today skit. A smart self doubting god that though the world messed up so there was none, with a penchant for wine and hookers, hated by everybody as a peace loving hippy, coming in to save the day & himself. RDM may say there was no plan, & there was not on alot, but there was on the central arc. Strike killed first f5 plot, sorry, it was better, and allowed new earth to def float through, But hey, c'mon, we did much better than Lost. At least it wasnt a christian dream
84smuldy 1 year ago
BULL$HIT. Go blow your smoke up someone else's anus.
kns1864 1 year ago
@kns1864 careful or the smoke monster will get you, and say what you want about our ending, but at least it wasnt 'this was all a dream and jeebus did it as a dog licks your face' lol
84smuldy 1 year ago
dudes-i was a staff writer and even i laughed my a$ off on this one. Im working on my next project and revisiting my old stuff to try and get in the groove again. Anyone who complained about starbuck or anders etc, well, sorry. We fd up with them but we didnt really care about them. Anyone that didnt get the whole show was about Baltar, well, not our bad. S1 had the ep titled the hand of god when baltars hand points out where the cylon base was. The whole show for me was a (2nd comment coming)
84smuldy 1 year ago
What is the real movie to this scene called anyways?
SnozzberryOnTheRocks 1 year ago
@SnozzberryOnTheRocks Downfall
MooMooCow1 1 year ago
Agreed Hitler, exactly how i felt when season 4 aired.
tybash 1 year ago
It's exactly like Lost, bullshit.
patio87 1 year ago
I was a huge fan of this show until the finale. It became clear that there was no plan and they were making it up as they went along. I'm with Hitler on this one.
cjn0001 1 year ago 19
@cjn0001
By plan you mean the Cylon plan? Or by plan you mean the overall plot arc plan? 'Cause the overall plot plan arc plan was a big 'God is an asshole and God did it.' The other, the Cylon plan was a big "I wanna be special, I wanna teach my parents a lesson."
The coherent things got explained, the others not very much so. Kinda like Space Odyssey.
unabomberman 1 year ago
@cjn0001 The words 'I'm with' should not be used in the same sentence.
CatsRuleDogsAreTards 9 months ago
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@cjn0001 The words 'I'm with' should not be used in the same sentence as Hitler.
CatsRuleDogsAreTards 9 months ago
@cjn0001 Yeah, "And they have a plan..." which was essentially, "Get em!"
CowboyUpBR 5 months ago
@cjn0001 you realize in interviews they said they had the idea for an ancient earth from near the beginning?
labmonke101 4 months ago
I,ts sad that bsg got so stubid in the end. Season 1 and 2 were good but in season 3 things got bad. Sloppy writing, made-up character development and too much religious mysticism. And the ending,though a homage to the original series, just didn,t make any fucking sense. When I watch other scifi I ussually feel pretty good about the way how future is potrayed, but bsg thesedays gives me a creepy, religious vibe.
ikosabre 1 year ago
I don't know why everybody hates this ending. I think it is satisfying!
Exverlobter 1 year ago
@Exverlobter
its not bad, is a very goon tv show, better than others...
Humorblack 1 year ago
wow, :)
Digitalismuk 1 year ago
It wasn't quite a make it up yourself ending either, though it is often taken that way. I thought it was pretty obvious. Man believes that once he creates a machine smarter than himself, the machine will rise up, destroy, and replace him. But in all probability man will eventually merge with machine (Ray Kurzweil's singularity) and eventually evolve into an intelligence that contemporary man could only characterise as "divine". The merging of man and machine (Hera) is the conclusion of the show.
flockofseagulls87 1 year ago
Bravo. Best Downfall parody. BSG ending insulted all fans competent enough to know they are being insulted.
Beattieauthor 1 year ago
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@Beattieauthor lol, so anyone who disagrees with you is incompetent?
al28283 1 year ago
I disagree! Galactica series was genuine win!
ParadoxalReality 1 year ago
I'm totally with Hitler here. I deleted all my BSG. They went all Star Trek on us at the end. Total shit!
RAGE!!
reaperette 1 year ago
priceless
raoulhery 1 year ago
utterly encapsulates my feelings on the series.
They NEVER planned it out, but kept acting like they did...by seasons 3 and 4 we could blatantly tell they were making it up as they went along, introducing "questions" that even they had no answers to....then they slapped together a "god did it" ending...or rather a "isn't it great? The ending is whatever you want it to be!" ending" then gave themselves a pat on the back......acting like anyone who didn't like it just "wasn't smart enough"
Remember5thONovember 1 year ago 20
@Remember5thONovember
Left me with a weird feeling.
Interesting to watch the end though.
Still, yep pissed me off.
Still haven't seen The Plan, and there might be more.
Usul573 1 year ago
@Remember5thONovember If you watch the series again, you will find to your surprise that "God did it" was part and parcel of the whole show from the very beginning, starting with the miniseries. Every season had some "supernatural" element. The dreams, prophecies, messengers, the supernova etc. Would you have liked it better if all that was explained away via some bullshit pseudoscience instead?
flockofseagulls87 1 year ago
@flockofseagulls87 if you follow the show from the beginning...you'll realize that "Head-Six's" actions never followed a coherent pattern, except to drive the plot forward.
If you follow the show from the beginning, in the podcasts and interviews, even the writers said they had no idea if she was a hallucination or a chip or an angel.
They just made it up as they went along and by season 3 it all fell apart.
Stop making excuses for them.
Remember5thONovember 1 year ago
@Remember5thONovember Few shows have a coherent plan from the beginning. You make it up as you go along. That's what writing is. How you think the "deus ex machina" was completely out of the blue is beyond me. Even in the miniseries, head six knew things that were impossible to know by rational means. The season 1 finale was a pretty straightforward look at the series finale itself. How is it not completely obvious that the God explanation was already being worked out at that point?
flockofseagulls87 1 year ago
@flockofseagulls87 ...because even the writers would actively say, all the time on the bboards and interviews, that they weren't sure what Head Six was and that she was probably a Cylon chip in his head; and that she knew things that rationally Baltar could not know, because it was all a Cylon plot, not a hallucination. Helfer herself said they thought this.
Again: its not that "God did it" is inherently a bad answer...but that it was just picked at the last minute, not set up well enough.
Remember5thONovember 1 year ago
@Remember5thONovember I understand what you're saying, and please don't take offense to his; but I honestly don't see how the references to God or a supernatural divinity could possibly be missed. The "Hand of God" episode makes that concise and clear. The passage from colonial scripture "the serpents numbering 2 and 10", the shooting down of the olympic carrier in 33 when six asks baltar to "repent". It's all there. Clear as day.
flockofseagulls87 1 year ago
@flockofseagulls87 let me try to make this clear: its not a matter of "was God in the show" -- we've seen visions and stuff.
Its that the writers didn't develop a coherent pattern to it.
You see if "God has a plan" in the show, it was most often random actions which when analyzed as a whole...often resulted in cross-purposes.
I.e. things Head-Six told Baltar to do didn't so much follow a coherent "plan from God"....as "drive the plot of this week's episode forward"
Remember5thONovember 1 year ago
@Remember5thONovember Apparently the God of galactica works in mysterious ways. There was a lot of ambiguity in the words and deeds of the "angels". Head Six behaved differently at different times because that is what the situation called for. If you look back on the series, you will see that most of her actions served the purpose of helping Baltar protect Hera. In order to do this, her advise had helped the cylons as often as it helped the humans.
flockofseagulls87 1 year ago
@flockofseagulls87 you sit on a throne of lies
Remember5thONovember 1 year ago
@Remember5thONovember Are you really that oblivious?
flockofseagulls87 1 year ago
@flockofseagulls87 Even "Supernatural" follows "plot logic" --- it doesn't have to be "science"
Even if the religious stuff was "real" that's not the point: the point is that it didn't add up to a coherent plot -- even Buffy the Vampire Slayer had "magical" stuff happening, but for logical, established rules and reasons.
BSG just pulled a bunny out of a hat....replacing the technological "deus ex machina" of Voyager with a LITERAL deus ex machina.
"God did it" is bad because it wasn't set up
Remember5thONovember 1 year ago
@Remember5thONovember Roslin's dreams, Starbuck's destiny, head six's telling Baltar that the asteroid battle was foretold in scripture, the supernova, and the fact that the word God was used in almost every episode are only a few examples but should have made the finale pretty damn clear.
flockofseagulls87 1 year ago
@Remember5thONovember Bringing one of the best series(in my opinion) to an end is never easy and to not disappoint people, they gave them the option to imagine what the ending is. Imagining an ending and not being told is better than being told an ending that not everyone would agree with. I personally think the last few seasons were confusing but it all worked with the ending they chose of godly things happening. I actually cried when starbuck and the admiral left forever. Really good imo
Xemptuous 8 months ago
@Xemptuous "make up your own ending" is often an excuse of lazy writing. Yes, it has been successfully used a few times, but particularly in this case...it wasn't just "decide what it meant on your own" but..."all of the plot twists we were leading you through by the nose with actually didn't make sense.
I've seen many people say "I cried at the ending!" -- what, specifically, made you cry? Judged *as an ending*, was it a tear-jerker?
Or....were you simply crying because the show ended?
Remember5thONovember 8 months ago
@Remember5thONovember again, what specific decision in the last hour was sad?
Theoretically, if you skipped the final 60 minutes, and were simply sad "in general" at the fact that the show was ending, not HOW it ended....then it really wasn't a "good ending".
Did you feel emotional because of what the "ending" was or just that it ended?
Example: at the end of LOTR, you might just be sad it was over. Instead, it emphasizes that Frodo never had peace after that, which is "sad".
Remember5thONovember 8 months ago
@Remember5thONovember Hell no. I was sad at the end of LOTR because gandalf had to go on a boat with frodo leaving the others behind. I got sad in BSG because starbuck disappeared and i imagine that happening to my best friend and I and i was thinking how sad i'd be if he was an angel and I discovered that. It's also the song that plays right after she disappears. That song in general is depressing.
Xemptuous 8 months ago
@Xemptuous but that's so random: "by the way I was an Angel"....
....you know I don't want to stress that too much; while I feel they utterly failed at conveying the idea effectively, I can sort of forgive the whole angel thing (and Head Six etc.) because they had vague hints along those lines (not planned out but) and I understand their idea that you can't "explain" higher powers....though they pursued contradictory goals.
The Final Five thing, on the other hand, was a bad attempt at shock.
Remember5thONovember 8 months ago
@Remember5thONovember The final five thing was planned from the beginning because they HAD to include 5 more cylons because in season 0(pre season 1) Number Six said there are 12 models and so they had to fill it in. I felt that tory shouldn't have been one of them because i never liked her at all but the others weren't that bad.
Xemptuous 8 months ago
@Xemptuous ...you....fool. If the Final Five were "planned from the beginning", why did they make Boomer "Number Eight" in season 2, only to then realize that if there were "five" more Cylons, who *are not* numbered, that would go up to 13? Yes they came up with the Daniel thing, but it was obviously a retcon.
Remember5thONovember 8 months ago
@Remember5thONovember Boomer was always supposed to be a number eight, that's why there are multiple of her. They even showed u she was a cylon in the miniseries before season 1. Besides, anything that happened up to season 3 was planned. They had the whole story up to season 3 written already but they then expanded it. The writer said that at a press conference.
Xemptuous 8 months ago
@Xemptuous ...how does Boomer being a Cylon, prove she was "Number Eight". Let me be explicit: I'm not saying "Boomer is 8" in the sense of "Boomer is a Cylon" --- accepting that Boomer is a Cylon, in season 2 they came up with the idea that her model number is "Number Eight". That was not planned out.
Is there a press conference video you can link to? The ones I've seen from Paley have the writers *bragging* that they made it up as it went along.
Remember5thONovember 8 months ago
@Remember5thONovember Well sure I can see how the story would have made more sense if boomer wasn't number 8 because now there's 13 cylons, but who cares? If they made the storyline from the beginning as there being 13 cylon models, you would just find another way to go off about this show. It doesn't matter about these little things, it's the big picture. The drama, the action, the humor, and the suspense of the whole storyline.
Xemptuous 8 months ago
@Xemptuous To continue with that: was there something specific about *how* it ended that you felt was sad?
Or were they simply *manipulating your nostalgia*? "Starbuack" and "Admiral Adama" were already *functionally* gone by season 3.
Parallel: when "Enterprise" ended, they ran an insulting "coda" episode to remind everyone how great TNG was....hoping this would pull at our nostalgia strings. Instead it was insulting.
Remember5thONovember 8 months ago
@Remember5thONovember That sounds like desperation. Characters are based on their logical outgrowth....not zany plot twists for shock value.
The weird thing is that, in videos of Ron Moore on youtube from conventions, you can tell he has certain "talking points" he falls back onto; he'll start ranting about how "The show is about the characters!"....by which he means as opposed to mindless explosions and fights....but that doesn't fix the character assassinations in seasons 3 and 4.
Remember5thONovember 8 months ago
@Remember5thONovember They never acted like they planned it out. Ron Moore said repeatedly that they wrote it as they went along, just like all serial dramas are written. And THEY INDEED DID wrap up the series and all the plot elements, unlike a certain other show (LOST!). Ron was honest and transparent.
And Battlestar was never about questions (again, unlike LOST). It was about the characters and about exploring the complexities of politics, war, religion, and the military in a post 9/11 world.
Pwells1 6 months ago
@Pwells1 i wish i could "thumb up" your post more than once, especially the 2nd paragraph. well said. what i took from the show is that "god" and the "angels" are implied to be some kind of highly evolved species, which to us lowly humans would appear as divine beings. i don't see why they couldn't resurrect Starbuck to fulfill her mission or implant dream sequences and a "trigger" song into simpler organisms.
DuctTapePwnz 6 months ago
@Remember5thONovember They did make it up as they went along. They made up the final five as a plot device.
aang94479 6 months ago
-_-'''......
zeno1995 1 year ago
poor hitler
al28283 1 year ago
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IcoolerthnU 1 year ago