Just try to put a resistor in between the leads of your meter. Your meter has either 1 or 10 megohm of input impedance. That is equivalent to "no load". And as you know, voltage can be put to good use only in circuits that show current and thus, some form of a load.
I suspect that even 100KOhms would dramaticly that voltage to near zero.
Not sure if this has anything to do with it, but you need something like 1.6 volts minimum to convert water to hydrogen and oxygen. Maybe this is the energy you get back when you recombine the two.
Hey wouldn't it be cool if you could use electricity to convert water to HHO, then when you burned the HHO you got heat as a by product while recapturing a large portion of your initial electricity input. This could in fact mean the HHO is a much more viable energy source than we previously thought.
You are experiencing reverse electrolysis. When you oxidize the gas, it gives off a little current. it is like a really inefficent fuel cell or the reverse effect of HHO generation. - micro
the same reason you get electricity when you combine these guys anyway? you are just combining them at the torch end? like my statement with question marks?
do you know about the joule thief circut? I wonder if you could use a joule thief circut to capture the extra volts or use it for extra light or whatever.
maybe the ionized particles from the atomized gas coming out of the hydroxy torch.. I mean you are using electricity to separate the water into hydrogen and oxygen..
There is no doubt at all that ions are comming out with the gas. This is the most likely reason why i get that reading. Since i made that video, i have come to the conclusion that ions are the only reasonable answer.
Have you measured around the flame for fluctuating magnetic fields? Perhaps the flame is creating some kind of energy, which the metal becomes a collector / conduit for...
it does it with any metal? if so try it with copper or brass or both seems to me you essentially are making a solar cell but you are holding the sun in your hand. i know you can put two pieces of metal in the sun and put a diode between them and it will make a current try that but that is what it seems like thats just my two cents
Would it be possible that the water that it is now making could be grabing the static electrons and giving you a small reading? just thinking outside the tube...
My best guess after further experimentation is, ions are causing the differential. Voltage can only exist when there is a differential in charge between two points. I believe the gas is ionizing and causing a charge on the steel coupler. I am building a huge torch to see if i can get a higher voltage with more gas.
static charge from the hydroxy gas is there any amperage coming from it aswell?this was probably why stan meyer was putting the burnt gases back through his system to burn for a second time with air and get a better burn ratio with less electric with the mix when he used his water buggy.combustable ionised and non combustable was the mix he was using in the plug he developed ;-)
My thought would be that the actually energy that is being used is (producing heat) ( or the flame) generating the electricity. The HHO doesn't actually burn it is energy that is being produced from the Hydrogen/oxygen going back to water which this process is some type of electricl field. I don't know the scientific explaination but energy is produced when hho goes back to water.
This is very simple. The gas is creating a static charge to build on the stainless ring. The leads then discharge this to ground through the torch. Since you have a constant build up of charge while simultaneously discharge through the volt meter.
Could it be that you're getting a voltage flow through the gas; or maybe through the hose. I'm not sure the low voltage needed to produce HHO would allow a charge to flow through the gas; but, the hose may material could allow electron flow to pass through the system as static charge. Good Luck!!!
Right now i only have that one stainless steel thick ring, so i cant put two together yet. I am trying some different things right now to amplify the voltage. I will post a video as soon as i get something worth showing. The highest I've got so far is
I dont mean put them together but have two rings not touching each other , then try them in series and parrellel. Like a bunch of washers with the flame blowing in. You got me man I gota try it.
Hi! The theory is that some kind of electron injection is happening that's why the flame can melt ANY material, metal glass stone even ceramic.Think microwave-effect,with electrons instead. Maybe electrons are having a bowling-ball effect on atoms and they shake = more heat. HHO will heat any material TO the melting point, not above it, witch is also interesting because it has "automatic temperature detector" in the flame itself.. It can also not heat water directly with open flame! WOW right ?
I think it was sirHoax or ScareCrow who mentioned this odity too somewhere last year. While the flame was applied at a flat surface though, it seems like the same fenomina is happening.
If you ever come across another video with this reaction, please let me know. The more info, the better chance we have of understanding this. Stay Safe.
i am applying the flame to the inside part where its thickest and has no threads. if i let the torch touch the bolt then the reading disappears and shows zero volts. The flame is on a 45degree angle when i apply it.
a small portion of the gas behaves as does an electric fuel cell ,fuel cells convert o2 and h2
into voltage thats why the acetaline and the ion comments "even mine" are full of shit this answers absolutly nothing ionized my ass, if it was ions alone
acetaline would do the same, water needs voltage to be decomposed so who's to say the synthesis
of water doesnt generate voltages when its created by combustion of o2 and h2
d3 said it right its ionized gas .I did this test a while back it is very interesting , i got up to 3 volts ..I plan on doing more test in this area ,like trying to store the electric in a cap but hadn't had any time for it tho...
Yeah i was using around 8 lpm..I don't know really how it does , the only real way i figure is that when the hho is burning the electric is being produced from the recombining of the hydrogen and oxygen ...
Have you been able to run something off the power? I am going to try to light a super low power led light, today or tomorrow. If it lights, i will be totally blown away! If it doesn't then i will conclude that its not usable power.
right around 2v is all I can get and its a bit tricky. But there may be some ways to better collect the electrons, if that is fact what is going on here.
Just try to put a resistor in between the leads of your meter. Your meter has either 1 or 10 megohm of input impedance. That is equivalent to "no load". And as you know, voltage can be put to good use only in circuits that show current and thus, some form of a load.
I suspect that even 100KOhms would dramaticly that voltage to near zero.
rouelibre1 1 year ago
Not sure if this has anything to do with it, but you need something like 1.6 volts minimum to convert water to hydrogen and oxygen. Maybe this is the energy you get back when you recombine the two.
Hey wouldn't it be cool if you could use electricity to convert water to HHO, then when you burned the HHO you got heat as a by product while recapturing a large portion of your initial electricity input. This could in fact mean the HHO is a much more viable energy source than we previously thought.
hamish3142 1 year ago
You are experiencing reverse electrolysis. When you oxidize the gas, it gives off a little current. it is like a really inefficent fuel cell or the reverse effect of HHO generation. - micro
micwedel 1 year ago
but, what about amps?
bananaphonehome 1 year ago
the same reason you get electricity when you combine these guys anyway? you are just combining them at the torch end? like my statement with question marks?
pouderbern 2 years ago
do you know about the joule thief circut? I wonder if you could use a joule thief circut to capture the extra volts or use it for extra light or whatever.
infamousartgallery1 2 years ago
I am not familiar with the joule thief circut. Do you have any info on it. If not i wil look it up on the net.
Thanks.
hhoball 2 years ago
maybe the ionized particles from the atomized gas coming out of the hydroxy torch.. I mean you are using electricity to separate the water into hydrogen and oxygen..
c0ldelement 2 years ago
There is no doubt at all that ions are comming out with the gas. This is the most likely reason why i get that reading. Since i made that video, i have come to the conclusion that ions are the only reasonable answer.
Stay Safe.
hhoball 2 years ago
Have you measured around the flame for fluctuating magnetic fields? Perhaps the flame is creating some kind of energy, which the metal becomes a collector / conduit for...
Just a thought!
Good observation though!
Peace
fabribek 2 years ago
try making the tube longer
X2YeZCAMCNC 2 years ago
it does it with any metal? if so try it with copper or brass or both seems to me you essentially are making a solar cell but you are holding the sun in your hand. i know you can put two pieces of metal in the sun and put a diode between them and it will make a current try that but that is what it seems like thats just my two cents
jmgreen69 2 years ago
Would it be possible that the water that it is now making could be grabing the static electrons and giving you a small reading? just thinking outside the tube...
hydrobenman 2 years ago
Its possible for sure.
My best guess after further experimentation is, ions are causing the differential. Voltage can only exist when there is a differential in charge between two points. I believe the gas is ionizing and causing a charge on the steel coupler. I am building a huge torch to see if i can get a higher voltage with more gas.
Stay Tuned!
hhoball 2 years ago
I'm a 13 year old boy and I have no idea :D..sorry I couldnt help..but still I wanna learn this things
xtremejeffhardy1313 2 years ago
You have created yourself an effective thermocouple mostly found on construction propane heaters. A good discovery.
HHOhybridBuilder 2 years ago
static charge from the hydroxy gas is there any amperage coming from it aswell?this was probably why stan meyer was putting the burnt gases back through his system to burn for a second time with air and get a better burn ratio with less electric with the mix when he used his water buggy.combustable ionised and non combustable was the mix he was using in the plug he developed ;-)
iwantit162 2 years ago
My thought would be that the actually energy that is being used is (producing heat) ( or the flame) generating the electricity. The HHO doesn't actually burn it is energy that is being produced from the Hydrogen/oxygen going back to water which this process is some type of electricl field. I don't know the scientific explaination but energy is produced when hho goes back to water.
ecirme 2 years ago
This is very simple. The gas is creating a static charge to build on the stainless ring. The leads then discharge this to ground through the torch. Since you have a constant build up of charge while simultaneously discharge through the volt meter.
perigon84 2 years ago
Could it be that you're getting a voltage flow through the gas; or maybe through the hose. I'm not sure the low voltage needed to produce HHO would allow a charge to flow through the gas; but, the hose may material could allow electron flow to pass through the system as static charge. Good Luck!!!
charliemor3 2 years ago
Does it do that with out the flame being lit, just the gas.
Have you tried to add another ring to see if maybe +1V is all you can get from one ring.
tjgame2 2 years ago
It didn't work unless the flame was present.
Right now i only have that one stainless steel thick ring, so i cant put two together yet. I am trying some different things right now to amplify the voltage. I will post a video as soon as i get something worth showing. The highest I've got so far is
2.3V.
hhoball 2 years ago
I dont mean put them together but have two rings not touching each other , then try them in series and parrellel. Like a bunch of washers with the flame blowing in. You got me man I gota try it.
tjgame2 2 years ago
This could be a possible answer;search you tube...."walter lewis makes a battery out of cans and water".
You already have the materials;hho(which converts to water + a can or in your case a thick cylinder of metal!!
underhilllll 2 years ago
darn sharp dude!
Lupinlethird 2 years ago
No blunt as putty lol
underhilllll 2 years ago
Could the HHO gas be conductive ?
Davehho1 2 years ago
well I guess you would have to measure that to prove it now wouldn't you.
d3adp001 2 years ago
Hi! The theory is that some kind of electron injection is happening that's why the flame can melt ANY material, metal glass stone even ceramic.Think microwave-effect,with electrons instead. Maybe electrons are having a bowling-ball effect on atoms and they shake = more heat. HHO will heat any material TO the melting point, not above it, witch is also interesting because it has "automatic temperature detector" in the flame itself.. It can also not heat water directly with open flame! WOW right ?
InventorGadget 2 years ago
Here is the video i mentioned;
/watch?v=bX20QtSlWF4&feature=channel
Lupinlethird 2 years ago
I think it was sirHoax or ScareCrow who mentioned this odity too somewhere last year. While the flame was applied at a flat surface though, it seems like the same fenomina is happening.
Lupinlethird 2 years ago
If you ever come across another video with this reaction, please let me know. The more info, the better chance we have of understanding this. Stay Safe.
hhoball 2 years ago
I am wondering if there would be a simular relationship, as if in a bi-metal setup,...
Are you applying the flame parallel to the 'bolt' through the centre? or at the (inside) surface of the metal piece?
Lupinlethird 2 years ago
i am applying the flame to the inside part where its thickest and has no threads. if i let the torch touch the bolt then the reading disappears and shows zero volts. The flame is on a 45degree angle when i apply it.
hhoball 2 years ago
part # 1 hey bro this is a theory
a small portion of the gas behaves as does an electric fuel cell ,fuel cells convert o2 and h2
into voltage thats why the acetaline and the ion comments "even mine" are full of shit this answers absolutly nothing ionized my ass, if it was ions alone
acetaline would do the same, water needs voltage to be decomposed so who's to say the synthesis
of water doesnt generate voltages when its created by combustion of o2 and h2
NOBOX7 3 years ago
Ya, since it's electrolysis, the gas has ionized hydrogen in it.
thinkofwhy 3 years ago
d3 said it right its ionized gas .I did this test a while back it is very interesting , i got up to 3 volts ..I plan on doing more test in this area ,like trying to store the electric in a cap but hadn't had any time for it tho...
jdcmusicman 3 years ago
I am very curious to know how you got the 3 volts. I use 3lpm in the torch. Were you using your 10lpm monster cell?
hhoball 2 years ago
Yeah i was using around 8 lpm..I don't know really how it does , the only real way i figure is that when the hho is burning the electric is being produced from the recombining of the hydrogen and oxygen ...
jdcmusicman 2 years ago
i think your write i posted simalar comments and got poor responses from
every one ,,good call
NOBOX7 2 years ago
ionized gas. Keep going, it gets interesting.
d3adp001 3 years ago
Have you been able to run something off the power? I am going to try to light a super low power led light, today or tomorrow. If it lights, i will be totally blown away! If it doesn't then i will conclude that its not usable power.
hhoball 2 years ago
the 1.5v may not be enough voltage. You have to put two of the setups wired in series.
d3adp001 2 years ago
I think your right! I am currently trying to increase the voltage first before i try the LED. Have you ever got higher than 2v?
hhoball 2 years ago
right around 2v is all I can get and its a bit tricky. But there may be some ways to better collect the electrons, if that is fact what is going on here.
d3adp001 2 years ago