Andy Thomson on Suicide Terrorism Part 1 of 3

[MenOfLetters]

Hundreds of suicide bombings have been conducted by the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka who are not Muslim. It's false to say that Islam causes it. All suicide attackers are driven by military occupation. Aerial bombing is worse than suicide bombing because it kills far more people so the US and Israel are the greatest war criminals.

[parkercheng]

When Islam allowed free interpretation of their Koran, they claim to allow "all flowers to bloom on the ground." Reaping the harvest on what they sow, their envisioned flowers turn into poppies, cocaine, and tobacco - all those skewed theories poisoning the minds of their Muslim followers. A doctor (Imam) supposed to cure patients turned into a drug lord (the extremist).

[parkercheng]

The problem is not with the psychology of the terrorists. Sick and crazy people are everywhere. The problem is with Islam - so vulnerable of being exploited by the radical groups to incite terrorism; - and the Imams, for their incompetence of rectifying such Islamic vulnerability from being exploited. Islam allows any Muslims to interpret their Koran - a fundamental fraud, opening their front door to all kinds of manipulations to the worst of all evils.

[Newenlightenmentnow]

His genitals were in tackt? LMAO LMAO!! So that's what this is about. Celestrial poon tang. Probably because they've never been laid in their lives. I'm not suggesting anything, but if you really want to demartyr these animals, order them castrated before they are excecuted.

[AceofDlamonds]

hey, now we can see the statistics of suicide bombing today...it's 2010. So it does appear like more and more...

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[mrgbennet]

Ever heard of false flag events ?

Do you believe everything mainstream media and govts tell you ?

[Simbelmyne13]

Brilliant! This elegantly explains much of the problems in our world not just terrorist psychology.

[MidgardEagle]

""When it comes to responding to those bloodstains on the pavement, what kind are you?""

After looking into Christian terrorist groups in India and Africa massacring civiilians and burning down villages? After the Lord's Resistance Army? Or years of fighting between Christian groups in Ireland? Only 3000 people dead in one single attack?

Oh, look, someone had a nosebleed on this pavement!

[HGLOBAL]

Hmm no. This "expert" thinks that RELIGIONS (all of them) hijack men's war instincts for abuse by war leaders.

He makes laymen look precise! Does he name the ONE religion doing this? Does he say its scripture is hard-coded for war fever? Does he name the one scripture hard-coded to hijack for "love one another" NOT war?

Of course not. And why not?

[MidgardEagle]

How about actually reading your Holy Books?

[HGLOBAL]

Done that several times. Also the Koran, Baghvad Gitah, Analects, Teachings of Buddha, Maimonides, Tao Te Ching.

How about you manage to discern the religions by the number of bloodstains they leave on the pavements of NY?

Look, I'm a Christian working with atheists who have already decided WHICH religion is the problem. I've heard all the jokes. They're calling you equivocal atheists "the shit stains".

When it comes to responding to those bloodstains on the pavement, what kind are you?

[MidgardEagle]

So Timothy McVeigh (Christian) doesn't count, nor the various Christian and Jewish terrorist groups throughout history?

There's plenty in the Christian Bible to justify far more than flying airplanes into skyscrapers.

[MidgardEagle]

""They're calling you equivocal atheists "the shit stains".""

Sorry, what was that about love again?

[HGLOBAL]

Yeh, yeh, yackity yack. Jesus loves you, only God knows why.

No. I said, even other atheists hate you now. You're that bad.

[AceofDlamonds]

@MidgardEagle

But timothy mcveigh was an atheist. Get ur facts straight. He said in his interview, I don't care...I don't believe in God. blah blah blah with nihilistic themes.

Does that make him an "atheist terrorist"?

I don't think so. If he was a Christian it wouldn't be significant unless he did it "for God'. Stay on topic.

Stalin didn't kill "for atheism" either. Ur using correlations that aren't there.

[Drgamedood]

@AceofDlamonds timothy mcveigh is an agnostic. not an atheist. try again.

[AceofDlamonds]

@Drgamedood

But didn't he say in an interview "ummm....I don't believe in God....."

not to go into specifics though.

[Drgamedood]

@AceofDlamonds No he explicitly used the term "agnostic" rather than "atheist".

[zofspade]

@Drgamedood Those terms aren't related.

[Simbelmyne13]

Perhaps more correctly he is saying that all religions have the potential to hijack those instincts due to the indoctrination, nonthinking dogmas, and certain aspects of our cognitive/behavioral evolution.

Not all religions have the same level of violence output but all have been mutated into violent forms at some time and in the present.

[HGLOBAL]

@simbelmyne13

Yep, that's a good start. Being able to say "not all religions have the same level of violence" is the 1st grade pass mark for atheists nowadays.

Absolutely Nobody else is failing this test, except for bottom-draw atheists, and that's a big problem the sane atheists I know, who thought atheism was supposed to be some form of sanity.

[ByronC900]

Hglobal, I think you need to re-read what Simbelmyne13 wrote, instead of just quote mining one snippet of his text.

Christianity was responsible for this little period of time (Roughly 1,000 years), where people were burned alive for being accused of black magic, tortured for speaking against the bible, and science and reason were snuffed out for a thousand years.

It was called the Dark Ages.

[HGLOBAL]

I'm quote mining? Then you say "It was called the Dark Ages".

Sure. And when did they end? You're having to go History Mining aren't you.

What guy, seeing a real physical threat today, feels a need to lose focus and attack Europeans who died 1000 years ago.

Look at today. Today witches are flogged by Muslims alone. Criticising scripture results in torture by Muslims alone. Professors are imprisoned for mentioning Evolution by Muslims alone.

The Dark Age exists today, in Mecca.

[Simbelmyne13]

That is a pretty unfair assessment. Christian perpetuated violence is still around and there are groups that still actively trying to suppress reason and knowledge.

For violence, examples include christians killing abortion doctors, Catholic/Protestant violence in Ireland, and Christian/Muslim violence in Nigeria.

Attempts to suppress science and reason have been attempted by the Kansas and Dover school boards and a variety of creation organizations (exm. Institute for Creation Research)

[HGLOBAL]

Yeah. But the focus is on suicide terrorism.

Look back. What did you have to drag into your reply, so that you could lose focus? Why do you do it? It's the crap move that makes everybody else dump you.

Anyway, some focussed atheists tell me that your type is their problem today. They don't have a problem with armed Christians.

[Simbelmyne13]

If you want to put it that way, it seems to me your response is rather "unfocused".

Who is this "everyone else"? Many rationalists would agree that my points are relevant and that singling out Islam for its terrorist suicide strains is unfair and missing the big picture.

We should have a problem with any group that is armed and has an unthinking ideology at its core.

And btw, if you want me to take you seriously leave out the personal attack BS. I doubt the existence of your atheist friends.

[ctvwr]

@HGLOBAL

What about the Balkan wars? Christian zealots ethnically cleansed hundreds of thousands of Muslims.

[noonesflower]

The telling point here: he includes 9/11 in his list of suicide bombings.

Has this fact been established as true?

His fourth date,1981,the birth of modern terrorism,roughly coincides with the time during which the CIA and ISI began to cultivat and groom the group that THEY then named Al Quaeda.

Any purported history of suicide bombings should certainly not omit this coincidence.

Perhaps the trainers themselves were men like this, who were aware of the sociology and psychology of suicide killing?

[noonesflower]

Yeah, "So wrong , it's not even wrong". Hmmmn. How does that work logically? Does it mean it's so wrong it's sort of off the 'wrong-scale'--a kind of meta- or ultra- wrong? Or does it mean it's so wrong tha it is not-wrong, i.e. right.

Guess it was a slip of the tongue. he didn't want to say "so wrong it's not even funny", because it would have been in poor taste.

[LFraudHubbard]

Scientology is a totalitarian political movement disguised as a criminal racket disguised as a cult parading as a religion hiding behind 166+ front

groups.

[PurushaDesa]

"Scientology is a totalitarian political movement disguised as a criminal racket disguised as a cult parading as a religion hiding behind 166+ front

groups."

In short, a religion.

[thelittlebastardface]

religion sucks balls.

[DeusMerdaeEst]

The part about the suicide bombers protecting their genitals for the virgins in heaven is priceless. They're even more fucked up than I thought.

[OlivierMessiaen]

"so wrong, it's not even wrong"

i like that.

[nag73]

Every world leader should be made to listen to this man.

[gergister]

@nag73

The world leaders are aware pretty well of what he talks about. Believe me. Yet they are only human. And other things interests them. In fact it is just 2 other things. Power and money. Guess what Carl Sagan wanted to say loudly but he was too kind to do so.

[wh0rg]

I think I speak for us all when I say: huh?

[Romka1989]

you're wrong

[wh0rg]

If you can understand what pscrdaniel is saying, by all means, please translate. Until then, I stand by my assumption.

[Romka1989]

Oh him? Yeah... *shrug*

[srarmageddon]

its times like this that make me wish you could favorite comments

[bobinmass]

pscrdaniel is just a lunatic moron. Ignore.

[bobinmass]

pscrdaniel is just a lunatic moron. Ignore.

[bobinmass]

pscrdaniel is just a lunatic moron. Ignore.

[Mahoivlich]

Scary truth

[enquirewithin]

Why don't these eggheads do some basic research into the real causes of 'suicide terrorism'? They take place in occupied countries. may suicide bombers are not even religious. dawkins is s brilliant science writer but he tarnishes his reputation by associating with his this type of ignorance.

[lexave]

Whom are you accusing of ignorance? Not Andy, surely? He may be many things, including wrong, but ignorant is not one of them...

[AfricanPrince]

There have been many cases of female bonded group violence as well, though

[AfricanPrince]

Also, I heard that the Khoi-San (hunter-gatherers) are very peaceful and rarely ever have murders.

[lexave]

Chimp society, dominated by males, is violent.

Bonobo society, dominated by females, is good-natured.

Chimps and Bonobos are our closest ancestors.

[holymoose69]

CHYEAH! VIOLENCE!

[Turandot29]

This is absolutely fascinating.

[ALogicalConstruct]

This is a fantastic video, Thanks for posting.

[Zombies100]

Oh yea, white, middle aged, middle class men. What does that make Ayaan Hirsi Ali?

[FartheadOgre]

The 21st century will see the eradication of most if not all life on earth.

[Saerain]

I have to say that I don't recall engaging in any of the efforts Thomson says all males organise as boys. Hmph.

[TheRealBladeRunner]

Another great speaker.

[animalxingman]

"So wrong its not even wrong."

[kiaranr]

Let's scrap the war on terror and start a war on ignorance, bigotry and the religions that foster it.

[BoozyBeggar]

Compelling, to say the least.

[llama4inc]

I'm a huge atheist, and religion is always a tool for consolidation of power, but the mid-east is different. Terrorism exists primarily because of the utter destitution much the Palestinian refugees live in. The Israelis assassinate every leader they have, so their society is left with their religious leaders. And, modern warfare tactics used by the Israelis means their destitute adversaries must fight with no weapons and without conventional military organization.

[Rastabob2006]

You're not taking into account the fact that the main victims of suicide bombings are essentially muslims, as was pointed out in the talk. This is not about fighting an external enemy i.e. israel, this is about groups wrestling for power.

[quiIl]

From your perspective it may be about Muslims fighting other Muslims, but from theirs, it's Sunni fighting Shi'a. It is about fighting an external enemy, from their point of view.

[Rastabob2006]

Yes you are right about that, I was just replying in the context of the original post.

[WaitsWeights]

Dying To Win - Robert Pape

[everybodysfavourite]

islam is the most violent cult threatening society today. no more "cultural sensitivity" no more concessions to islam and muslims... we need to. we need to shut this violent hate club down

[gobblegobblechew]

climbing Mt Everest is suicidal!! Throwing yourself in front of a bus to save a child is suicidal. What the hell is this guy talking about? He says some of the modern day suicide bombers are educated...so fucking what. It has nothing to do with anything. It all comes down to a man with the will and the nerve.

[Grosz]

Not really... its drilled into their heads so mcuh that its what their "god" wants... they believe it so much they dont need nerve or will... just acceptance, and the reward of 70 virgins (they didnt tell them their virgin goats though... poor bastards)

[gobblegobblechew]

not every Islamic person will commit suicide...are you trying to say that every Islamic fundi is or willing to commit suicide?

[Grosz]

Not every muslim... no, that would be a mass generalisation.

I spose its a generalisation to say the fundi's would too,

but the hardcore fundi's I'd say would...

And I think you would find more "hardcore" fundi's in Islam than you would in any other religion...

[gobblegobblechew]

absolutely...not everyone will have the stomach for it. I will concede that their is more in the Islamic faith than most all others. How far will you go if an army from another country is in your home town? Dont you think you will be labeled a terrorist by the other side if you die to save your family?

[Grosz]

EXACTLY... Ive talked of this quite recently with a friend... The "insurgents" in Iraq and Afghanistan arent "terrorists" their "freedom fighters" I am a fundi atheist.

But I am willing to destroy myself if it meant destroying, at least part of the invading force.

Outside of their nation, their terrorists, inside their own nation, their freedom fighters!

[terminatoreggs]

Terrorists,by definition,use terror ie they will deliberately target civilians and use violence against innocents to intimidate.Freedom fighters my arse.

[crazykb]

I would agree that the 'other side' may label the enemy a terrorist. However, the terrorist acts being talked about are being done in the name of GOD. Also, the people being killed are not in the military, they're innocent people. Terrorist acts of this nature are the worst. Not that any kind of terrorist acts are ever good.

[Ujikaweapon1]

Extremely enthralling. I will definately favorite this and use it for years to come.

[Klarkster]

Interesting research. These conclusions must be true in at least some sense.

That's the beauty of science :)

[SilkySmooth105]

What is with this influx of people leaving negative comments about this man? He has studied this subject and come to understand it far beyond any of us. At least thank RRS for putting it up.

[selfTrust1]

Is there such a thing as being a collegial idiot?

[gobblegobblechew]

yes! and this guy is a shinning example. This Andy guy is a fucking brain dead. And to all you want an explanation why I said that...you are an idiot.

[sergeiche]

good point he has

check out fresh news on terrorism at allamericanews*com

[benande]

Why do smart people feel the need to use the term milieu, instead of environment.

Look at this fancy fromage. It goes well with my wine. whine. whine.

This is an elitist group. An orgie of nerds. Dumb it down for my tiny brain.

Yes please, I'd like some cheese and crackers. Why didn't you say so before.

[benande]

Ok I take it back. I was bored as he was speaking so wrote my first comment. After watching the trilogy, I just think he's boring.

He isn't talking down to us like I had originally thought, he's just painfully boring and needs some charisma.

[omgWTFn00b]

ADHD maybe?

or maybe you've never experienced a lecture in university...

[Kingstert]

Anyone who believes the 9/11 commission report might as well pick up a bible and believe it ,it's the same level of nonsense.

Support the war on US foreign policy.

[gunapie]

Religon sux, science is good, experience is better.

[sosiopat]

Science IS experience. Systematized experience.

[Pantore]

Worthless lecture,BushCo can be proud of fellow americans like Andy Thomson.

[Pantore]

Wow this guy is realy concerned what's happening outside USA, first he should worry about his own shitty empire he lives in.

Second Palestinians don't blow them selves up because of this islam crap, they do it because their situation is so hopeless caused by the Israeli nazi-style occupation; they have to do something like that as an act of resistance.

[naimad75]

Maybe you should try listening to the lecture next time. He addresses this rather naive view.

[Pantore]

LOL he did not realy address it so maybe you should learn more about the world today because you sound rather ignorant.

[WhoWants2Live4Ever]

Religion is BS, however, it's a convenient scapegoat that is easily fed to the politically ignorant. Give them tanks and F-16s and see if they continue to blow themselves up. I bet Andy supports the war like Hitchens does.

[SilkySmooth105]

How many atheist suicide bombers are there?

[garouHH]

He adressed the psychological processes leading up to suicide bombings and the evolutionary background leading to the existence of the facilities used in the process. He adressed the role religion may, but doesn't have to play in these processes. Did you even bother to watch the lecture?

And what does where he lives have to do with anything?

[WhoWants2Live4Ever]

Sure, downrate my comments. Continue to prove my point. Who can say how many atheist suicide bombers there are, but if you think they blow themselves up in an effort to kill 'non-believers' then it shows how utterly clueless you are. Go on, keep watching Bill O'Reilly for your daily dose of false reality.

[YellowNumberFive]

This was definitely one of the more enlightening lectures at the conference, thanks for making it available to all.

[ThinkerHA]

Excellent lecture!

[1DangerMouse1]

I think that this video is a clear example of why atheists need to be open about their beliefs or lack thereof. Look at the productive research and knowledge gained from taking a reasonable and naturalistic approach to life and allying with others who do as well. Rather than some rally with atheists "preaching to the choir", here we see atheists sharing ideas in a forum that is only possible through organizations like Atheist Alliance. This is why I donate to these organizations:)

[Shandy64]

Thankyou so much for uploading these, for those of us who weren't lucky enough to be at the AAI.

[sciencedoggy]

Drivel. Evidence please.

[byetis]

I like what you're saying. You make the Lord seem like such a rewarding cause. I just wish it were true.

[SilkySmooth105]

Wow... awesome video.

[tbgx1]

Attention rational response!!!You've just been completely and specifically

invalidated by the logic,reason and intellect of Musickle.

Care to respond?

[tbgx1]

Attention atheists who care to challenge themselves!!!

Watch the 2 video posts by Musickle.Try to find a way around

his logic,reasoning and intellect.Good luck.

[JackLostW1976]

Brilliant! Thanx for puttin this up.

[czee789]

Thanks for upload...good Info

[Aegialeus]

More facts to stoke the fire of freedom of truth.

Thanks for sharing some light....it gets pretty dark in this world at times.

[johntheother]

Every member of the Bush administration, the press corps, every major tv network news reader, and every democratic and republican party candidate should be required to watch these three videos.

[Aegialeus]

@ johntheother

I agree, but most of them are or would be in denial.

[mrKuba07]

this is brilliant.

[Chuloloc]

Awesome.

[claschxtreme]

thank you for posting this

[Ujikaweapon1]

I just wish I could get more involved.

[Kajo75]

thx so much for posting

[zbambam5]

Great video

[LoudMouthedObserver]

This is a really good lecture

[BillyHackle]

Great speaker.

Great video.

Snaps =D

[mephigog]

Excellent