Adidas Taekwondo - New Electronic Points Counting

[MONKFOCKER]

WTF OOO

[akisthehacker]

i prefer ITF where are their hands they just hit each other there isn t so much skill in this!!

[tmakidd0703]

@akisthehacker dude there is alot of skill involved in this...this isnt even real sparring

[MONKFOCKER]

@tmakidd0703 of course is not.

[tmakidd0703]

@MONKFOCKER lol i know it is easy to tell

[joak1too]

@akisthehacker in my oppinion is the other way around... (i dont practice WTF but ITF and for me WTF is more technical

[JamesNintendoNord]

tard scream

[rorioshi]

la idea es buena. disminuis el error humano y por apreciacion. aca los jueces suelen ser estudiantes que no tiene idea. en el video no cuentan los dobles? para mi para que sea punnto contundente como dice el manual estaria incluido todo golpe al peto. en el video tb disminuye el area permisible porque si se te corre el peto te salvas del punto. *usar el peto suelto < el factor contundente con este sistema? bien ahi. hay que seguir evolucionando!

[faithite]

i hope that padding is shock proof. which all that kicking impact.. ^^

[mageslol]

FINALLY was hoping theyd make this shit soon

cause the point givers are fuckin terrible at their jobs

[ciekawyswiata1]

I prefer TKD ITF fight rules ... if you protect all your body and don't pracice punching you will never good fighter. never !

[JDL8807207]

@ciekawyswiata1 lol this is sport WTF! and i assure you all you saying is BS! this will sharpen your kicking ability.. plus its a very beautiful sport.. in our school they teach us self differences so please research more sir! ITF is more like kick boxing..

[2shot36]

die eleckrto dinger von adidas sind der größte mist in der geschichte der menschheit

[TKDViktor95]

@2shot36 das stimmt ich habe mal mit den dingern gekämpft die sensoren spinnen voll oft

[graceetaekwondo]

adidas is my favourite fighting brand but i don't like their electronic protectors... the daedo ones work the best and look the best, although adidas will always be the best :)

[CRYS0]

creo que los puntos estan todavia erroneos. las patadas directas normales (normal direct kicks) = 1 ; y las patadas con giro (spin kicks) = 2

[MasterMacLeod]

@CRYS0 Y cómo va a saber el peto que uno hizo un giro? El punto adicional lo dan los jueces, pero tienen que estar viendo si el primer punto de la técnica se anotó, y luego dan el punto adicional. Igual pasa con los puntos a la cabeza.

[papisdestroyer]

and head kicks?

[aiepoposorp]

@papisdestroyer They're very easier to spot, it is possible to make an eletronic points counting system for kicks to the head too. But I believe that's desnecessary...

[kiddownload]

@papisdestroyer no points.. just KO .. ;)

[papisdestroyer]

@kiddownload JEJE Yes that's right

[blueshun]

I hope this was a demostration, with the credentials flashed before the fight, Blue fighter was a free frag.

[exodia94]

yes this was just a demostration u could see some free frags, if it was a real match it wont be so easy

[TaeNapDo]

@blueshun Dude this is a demostration XD...

[janster7]

Guard and blocking. USE IT! Very bad..

[raiden237]

this is just for demonstration , no actual fight

[janster7]

seen WTF dudes fight before, not good

[mageslol]

@janster7 ima wtf dude!

and i fight perfectly fine X) with hands and feet

but thats cause i train with hands on my own time :X

[RudeGuy]

@janster7 hahaha this is an adidas demonstration, not a fight.. the point is showing how the system works

[vc05349]

1. why no point is counted at 4:31 and 5:31??

[Kudan26]

I think that it can be controled (the point counting)

like

3500 pounds = point

les of 3500 pounds = no point

i think is that check second 34 "minimum hit value"

that kick was weak i think

sorry for bad english

[spinkicker43]

No way will it take 3,500 pounds...thats far to many pounds of force per square inch... maybe like 700-900?

[Kudan26]

maybe that number is another way to check the force ( i forgot to say "for X example")

I actually know, it is a lot

[spinkicker43]

Well from some videos I have seen the are measuring pound per square inch, a back kick could get over 1500 and was demonstrated by Bren Foster, if he couldn't do it let alone with a back kick, how do we do it with roundhouse, side kicks or any other attack?

[Kudan26]

Ok I will say this again maybe is not pounds

maybe another way to check the power (there should be 1)

[spinkicker43]

Yeah I think that too, you could be citing some metric unit and accidently converting it into american...

And yes it is measured by power, that fact is secure.

[Jbonerz]

its not pounds its done in kilogewls

[spinkicker43]

Ahh then I can understand that.

[tzioo]

when talking about men categories, the hits maybe produce even many more kilos.especially in 'good' fights.

[RudeGuy]

@vc05349 is not perfect....  yet

[diogorenato]

hum... it looks like precise...

but if the rule changes, it would be difficult to measure (i.e. a side or back kick having different scoring)

[jakeyjakey101]

yup its all changing soon. for example harder kicks will be more points. ie back kick is 2 points on the chest

[chooichewei]

guys...as i know, the championship scoring system had change right>>?? i dun think this set of equipment is suit to use for now...

[nicoxDosorno]

emmmmmm como ke no cuenta bn los puntos

[dra90n88]

si te cuenta puntos cuando pegas con las rodillas o la espinilla, es q no cuenta bien los puntos -_ -

[alucars03]

it´s a wonderfull tecnology but i wish know what´s up whit the hed point´s in a real competition???

[SasukeKune]

I love the no blocking strategy LOL

[Slatius]

lol, then you don't have a clue what taekwondo sparring's about

[xXXMCLXXx]

No it doesnt count head shots atm

[Slatius]

Men...Markus is a good fighter, although being more heavier than the blue guy, he manage to score goods points there. :P

[Joxuel007]

hey mother focker you think that WTF is boring ass hole one of our can take two of yours we train harder to reach the olympics you don,t

[Slatius]

right on.....just don't listen to these morons.... they like confusing fights, like karate where sometimes it looks more like a brawling fight.... these guys don't know what strategy is...so...

And I BET he didn't even know that this is just a demonstration ahahah

[12345TT54321]

WTF Fights are most boring fight I have ever seen in martial arts ...

[res4thebest]

wow ke bueno ke la tecnologia se fije en los deportes mas aun en taekwondo=) viva el taekwondo!

[ahda81]

How about kicking in the head?

[yoseb92]

thats more easy to spot

[dra90n88]

it will be out soon, but not by adidas. adidas in europe is dead.

[asswest]

very good equipment .....

but

can we set the damage ?

[dra90n88]

The adidas one has a problem, though. You can get points by hitting the protector with any part of your body, and that's not TaekwonDo. LaJust electronic protectors are not better at all, and the WTF does not like them at all.

[UbejSebia]

there are judges to spot these things :) in our tkd club we have a couple of these protectors and i can say it's really interesting :) in baltic region tournaments we use these kinds of protectors :P

[dra90n88]

there are judges to spot these things without electronic protectors as well. What is the point of having these protectors then?

[dra90n88]

adidas EBP IS dead in europe. if you dont know about the issue, dont talk.

[dra90n88]

You people don't know anything about electronic protectors. When some points are not counted, it is either because the power was too low in one of the kicks or the fighter kicked onto an area where points are invalid. Sometimes, arms or elbows get in the way. Referees see this, or think they see this and don't give points. Electronic protectors simply don't give points to these actions.

[The111Rubik11kid]

Did you know wrestlers are saying that they can beat up any martial artists. LMAO SO LAME I HATE WRESTLERS!

[Piccolojan2]

I am pretty sure this is simply an exhibition match and not a real sparring match

[tomhil15]

yes... there hand are up and the dont defenes,,,

[bqureshi390]

It's a "promotion," meaning it's to demonstrate the technology. They purposely give and take points.

[richard2k5]

I personally prefer to watch the ITF style sparring.. but this video is cool. I would love an electronic system, but in ITF sparing there are alot more punches and kicks to the head, plus jumping kicks score an extra point. This system is good but not quite there yet!! :D

[coyoteoz]

Esos petos no son muy cofiables.

[briantheaceofspades]

See this is what I dislike about the sport, these electronic ones are an alternative to the judges but they probably arent better or worse, these miss alot of points just like blind judges miss alot of points. It's sad, good fighters get robbed sometimes by bad judges

[roybaerPL]

why do combinations do not give more points?

[cangrysoloiopz]

prcio una exibivion

[Nieck01]

what about punching?

[dawchiks]

my master told me it's easier to score with punches now. is it true?

[lufodao1990]

no, because to score u need powerfull kick so its hard to get the same power by punches because the punches is much weak than a kick

[dawchiks]

i didnt mean that scoring with hands is easier than with legs. and i tested them out im competition. in first fight i got 3 points only with hands.

[lufodao1990]

fuck off stop fucking lie u stupid basterd

[balakaras]

how bout karate reverse punch or cross by a boxer... was that weak punches?

[lufodao1990]

first u punch someone in tkd competition when u r very close to the oponent and if u r very close to the oponent u cannot use a cross by a boxer, u gonna have to get a bit back to do that and if u get back to do that the guy just come straight way kicking u so shut ur fucking moth because u dont know shit

[balakaras]

i dont know or u dont know. come fight me

[lufodao1990]

shut up and go see some taekwondo fight then u will learn something

[balakaras]

so u think i never learnt and had a fight in taekwondo, let me kick your ass

[argg]

cool. can't wait for it to be officially used in Taekwondo.

[Frsstraw82]

i love the concept. yes you need judges still. the girl in blue didn't get all that she deserved to get.

[ositahill]

you still have judges for headshots. i hope the power required is well adjusted so you can still score with a turning kick off the lead leg

[bigpimpinmma]

what bout points to head?

[azzurro081]

Bello molto bello questo video complimenti a te.

[sebowa]

It's quite obvious that this is a commercial, only points valid in taekwondo, i.e. hitting with foot gives rise to point. It also seems that the sensors are set quite low, in a real competition you have to kick really really hard to get a point. Currently, the protectors give rise to a more passive kyorogi with emphasis on only the backward leg bichagi and strikes to the head. Due to this, I don't see the point in using them since they give rise to more injuries and a more dull taekwondo.

[ositahill]

At 2:05, blue lands 3 kicks but only one scores. All three made a loud sound on impact so they had enough power. maybe there arent enough sensors around the kidney area

[dantruong12]

uhh is this like testing or a real match?

cuz these guys arent that great....

[dantruong12]

i mean they are good but why are they wide open and gettting his like that a good example is the first poin on the men

[teamAmerica07]

they arent going for real.. u can tell

the point of this video to them is to show that electronic pads work, thats why they leave themselves open so u can c a perfect score

[TaeNappieDo]

Btw those vests are not like the real electronicc vests, you have to kick alot harder to get a point.

[severio619]

hey these guys are not bad.

[fimbuld]

We have this crap in sweden. Beleve me when i say it... they suck! Taekwondo in Sweden have become wors since they came.

[severio619]

you surely dont know what ur saying

[greengirl3729]

this thing is neat but i dont know if it works. there was alot of kicks that were pionts that werent counted for and i also dont know if this thing is going to work for the head shots.

[Anoukh]

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[StL33T]

on 1:44 the double roundhouse kicks we cant see if the first double hit or not but if u pause on the 2nd kick of the double u can see the kick connect. so why did the scoring system give a point to the first kick and not the second?

[TheLaserMaster]

In of few years if they could perfect it, it would be a really great way to cut down on judges not calling points that were scored.

[IsawaMitaka]

To my understanding, this system will be implemented by the WTF starting in 2009.

[Skapatee]

i hope dude cuze the counters really sux u always have to search a KO!

[hsyun91]

Are you kidding me ? What the f**k is this?

the machine is not calculating any combos when it is hit twice or more in a row.

That machine is ripping off points...

[tkdAssassin08]

trust me, if you seen the regular judges...its an improvement! with some fine tuning this could be great.

[aquint93]

they should use these in the olympics so peopole dont get ripped off a point

[bogdantkd]

i think this kind of scoring raises a big question when involving a punch. i think this year in the european championship matches were won at golden point with a punch. it's not fair.

[andrewsssx]

this would really take away the, joy of a tae kwon do fighter after he got a point. Almost all pro fighters lifts their hands up after apoint to make sure the judges award him it. with this they wouldnt need to do that. i like it. but what about the head shots?

[teamAmerica07]

dunno, but u can see a clear head shot cant you?

[iFilmX]

In my opinion

I don't think the electronics system should be used.

Because you'd have to hit each kick perfectly.

And I don't think having like a pad around your whole foot to make sure your connecting ur kicks would be good either.

[StL33T]

well, i can see where you're coming from, ie. having to pivot/turn more so your kick comes across so your sensors will hit and give you a point for sure rather than just hurting the opponent. But you have to remember that taekwondo ring sparring is a sport, and this is just moving taekwondo sparring closer to the sports side

[viper1419]

their are alot of problems and bugs with it though

so they probably will use it but will also keep track the classic way too.

[jeeezuz]

great technology!

[McLongDong]

Unreliable...still needs work

[ShaolinTaekwondo]

nao conhecem a tecnologia ainda, uauihihsaiuhasiuas

[brownman234]

Im so excited for the next nationals!!

Im gonna try to win my third championship.

[fish03fish]

men blue - 8 red - 7, womens blue - 3 red - 7...

[zeidan11]

you think it will be in the olympic of this year?

[shigoman]

HELL YES IT WILL

2004 was wayy too hot for it to be taken out

[donttasemebro92]

ok in taekwondo can you block.... cause wow. in karate in a kumite if someone throws a kick at me im blocking it..

[kukkiwon89]

don't be stupid, this is only a demonstration to show how the new scoring system works. if this was a real sparring match then it goes without saying that they would use much more movement and more blocks to stop the opponent scoring.

[donttasemebro92]

aye thanks for the explanation

[slee1488]

my cousin fought with one of them at ATU nationals in LA last weekend and he lost. But really he kick that guys ass, but you have to hit your opponent with the instep, it has to be perfect, and for back it the sensor is on the heel. you have to hit certain parts. Think about magnents, they have to touch eachother to get a point. it sucks.

[SavilliMillard]

You are thinking of the LaJust west.. These are Addidas wests ... the differeces is that Addidas = Pressure, if you pounch really hard you can score a point.

LaJust = Only impact from kicks can give points because of sensors :)and yeh, a certain amount of magnets have to touch eachother if u are fighting with LaJust

[slee1488]

ooohh okay  I rather have the pressure one haha

[Ploonx]

lol either u mentally retarded and cant fight or sum but u can punch and u can block iz ur jus crap lmao

[Ploonks]

and for the head points we used the 4 judges

much easier than relyin on d headgear

[Ploonks]

yeh liquid meat as u were askin, d newer one we used a month ago it still has minor bugs but the problem with hand pushing/showving and whatnot doesnt score anymore because(i forgot 2 mention this)u have 2 wear 2 sensors on ur foot and once that hits d pad in d rite place and rite pressure it connects sum circuit and it scores

[Ploonks]

and it needs alot more sensors cause durin the tournament some of the kicks i saw shud have scored,cause when u hear a point ringing out while d crowd cheering i tink the pad shud pick it up,rite now it has about 3 or 4 sensors it shud have about 13 to 15 4 d most^^

[Ploonks]

guys it is real cause a couple months ago we had a caribbean championship(trinidad and tobago)and PATU(Pan American Taekwondo Association) brought down a newer version of the electronic padding system, frum fighting experience they still need 2 upgrade it further.

[toddyr14]

taekwondo sucks.. Im going to kick you! You cant use your hands to block the kick. only kick me back! and you cant punch either!

Taekwondo sucks sooo much!

[ka123nGo]

who need to punch when your kicks r powerfull enough lol... just kidding...

[oshkaproductions]

i guess the kick still has to be powerful for it to count it

[3y3candi]

seems kinda fake to me

[cmdotacey]

theyre demo-ing it idiot

[3y3candi]

so its not a real match right?

[Blonix]

No, it isn't, it's just a test for the new adidas' protections

[liquidmeat]

what if they hit your hand into your pad. and what about punching and pushing wont they trigger a point? and what about the head gear. Its really complex how to calculate a point in WTFTKD so i think sticking with proffesional judges is the best answer

[xXjOmAmMaXx]

i first hand have used these, they do suck, they are very random since points can extremely hard and random to get, if you were fighting someone sloppy in one of these they could get a point just by running into you etc.... there are also many technical problems with them, i got hit once and the person got 7 pts, they fixed it of course but it was just ridiculous, also it was cumbersome, and very stiff too making it harder to kick...... i will not use these anymore until they make it right.

[OlympicTaekwondoKs]

if they kick in head?

[uzekz]

how bout hitting on the back where majority of the points are being scored rite now? Damn if hitting the back does not award a point I will be damn screwed in competition. I tend to go for the blind side and get most of my points from there..

[primagiedi]

Will Headgear also provide with this technology in future?

[CueyTKD]

Well, in the 2008 german open they used an electronic hogu system and it didn't seem to work very well. Even in this video they show hard kicks hitting the hogu with no score because the sensors don't cover the entire scorable surface. Either fix it or quit using it in competition.

[KiNgJaBlEz]

do they believ in blocking?

or is it not allowed or suin?

[fotbollsuger]

its a demonstration , get it? if they block =no points = bad demo, ok? Blocking is allowed in TKD

[KiNgJaBlEz]

yea i figured it was a demonstration but they shold show how it will work in actual sparring matches. not demonstrations

[AZNjackazz]

wooh!!

[barca17]

I feel so bad. I actually designed this a few years back. I never carried on a plan to promote it.

[AznAriel]

Technology has come a long way, They use to do with only a piece of paper and a pen, now they use electronic scoring...amazing, thanks for the video

[lefords]

hmmm...this is great...all armor scoring technology, but i was wondering, how about the headshots??? like a roundhouse perhaps,an axe kick to the face, how would it be scored?

[kiansantang]

The problem of this scoring system is the fighter still can make a point even the kicker is falling..in the normal scoring, the judge will not give any score or maybe they deduct the point if the fighter fall.

[13goldameir13]

this was to test the effectivity of the new scoring system -_- well I don't know if here in the Phils it will be made available maybe only to the national team -_-

[Monoman125]

i fought some of the Germans in competion at junior level they were amazing

[jaimemartimendoza]

extraordinaria demostracion del tkd olimpico,con sistema electronico de marcacion , de igual forma la proteccion de la espalda y las aletas inferiores constituyen un plus del peto adidas

[OnkelGonzoXX]

Yeah Taekwondo in germany is serious too Taekwondoin germany is like in otehr coutrys

[MassDefame]

Hmm german taekwondo's pretty strong too. Gotta start comparing to Korean Taekwondo and stuff... :) So is tkd famous in germany too?

[sohngoku]

very famous^^

[uberathlete]

Just wondering... isn't the official distributor of the electronic chest protector LaJust and not Adidas? Can somebody confirm this? Adidas though seems to be better technology-wise than Lajust. It'll take a couple of years though for all the kinks of electronic scoring to be ironed out.

[halloweentkd]

Very cool fight, really a clean and technical battle.

I agree in including this new technology altogheter with the traditional referee's system in taekwondo's championship ...although i guess that the equipment must be very expensive.

[taekwongr]

I red on the ETU website that Sweden used these protectors on some tournamnets and decided to use them from now on on all of their national championships. This Hogu might not be perfect but at least no one can complain that there is some intentional interference of the judges or anyone else. I agree with using them in Taekwondo fights, I have seen too many rediculus things happening with the judges and too many athletes beeing screwed and get disapointed.

[relentlessJnin]

i agree with markashy that this could be a back up. the judges will still count, but if there are any disagreements, they can check the computer. those guys may be black belts, but they dont keep there gaurd up

[deguimerautube]

I agree that many of them do leave their guard open, but I think (I may be wrong) that these fighters did it intentionally in order to demonstrate how the hogus react to a variety of kicks.

[wallstwizz]

In Olympic style TKD, keeping your 'guard up' is having quick foot work. Competitors dont block with their foreamrs or hands, they rely on their footwork to move away, out of striking distance. Keeping your 'guard up' is more applicable to tarditional Karate or Kenpo, ect...

[annonnimmus]

i think that your comment about the judges was right... but... r u stupid? the r trying a new product idiot not fighting... thas the reason why they doesnt keep guard up...

[catha86]

$600 for one pair... that is way overprice! and yeah tkd is already expensive those gloves was really stupid idea that dont even work! fucking idiots!

[Nr1Taekwondo]

Its much better with electronic becasue now the opponent dont get points when kicking anywere else

[deltawolf]

I say FUCK the electronic! They made me fucking lose today :P I got many hits that would be point with the old system. The judges also thought so! :P

[gerard991]

was at a seminar run by red a while ago hes brillant and the irish taekwondo union got 6 of those electronic body armour free and my club is the only ones hu train regurly with thm

[TKDChamp7707]

that was cool, they kick fast and they fight clean

[fegu]

hillarious.

[paradoxed258]

These are the hogus that work from numatics and bluetooth right? The mu do that I go to has two pairs of prototypes, my martial arts master says there are only very few of them out right now. It'll really change how tkd is played.

[markashy]

while i don't feel that this should replace the referees totally, this might be a good system as a so called 'second opinion' on points. which might come in useful when debating those "pointing to armguard" moments.

[WiShApOnFISH]

yeah i agree to Wedge4life the new guards are expencive and how bout all the umpires that are payed to umpire they will all loose a job and they are gonna be really expencive like 600 dollars per