@itsayellowfig You might be able to call the prayer space inside the centre a small mosque. But the building as a whole will include a basketball court, a food court, a culinary school, a theatre, a swimming pool etc. Does that sound like a mosque to you?
That aside, the idea that Islam as a whole (i.e. the whole religion) was solely responsible for the 9/11 attacks is laughable. And the belief that Park51 is a 'victory mosque' is absurd in every possible sense.
In Seville, Spain, locals stopped construction of another mosque by burying a pig on the site and made sure the news became know to the local media. Islamic law forbids erecting mosques on "pig soiled ground". The Muslims had to cancel the project outright. Read "the politically incorrect guide to Islam" the rest of books on islam r watered down and sugared up to attract converts = suckers or to convince gullible people to consider islam as just another misinterpreted peaceful religion.
I worked at at 90 West st. tho that does not make me an authority on Muslims, I did have the luxury of taking multiple city cabs for years before and after 9-11 and I can tell you unequivocally, after speaking to thousands of Muslims from all over the world, they do NOT frown upon 9-11 in fact they feel it was unfortunate yet warranted and necessary. This is sentiment they won't divulge unless the conversion is long enough to make him believe u genuinely dislike Israel or our support thereof
The weapon that Islam is very successfully using to take over the Western World is the Western World's apparently never-ending supply of VERY STUPID PEOPLE. If you are stupid enough to offer a cup of tea at your house to a person who exhibits all the signs of being a dangerous criminal, don't be surprised if he fucks you in the ass, hangs you from the ceiling, and opens your bottle of best Scotch. STUPIDITY IS FATE.
The biggest truth about this 'issue' is that its completely sexed up for US election purposes. The best way to defeat the islamophobes is to point out what cheap politics this is by demeaning that motive. Without pointing out this truth you are just debating the wind and arguing within a 'moral theory' box that was constructed for you.
(continued) And now these people have to look at this giant symbol of the religion, the extremism of which killed their loved ones.
It's like when a rape victim is afraid of men and avoids men as much as possible. Would you call a rape victim a bigot for not wanting men around her?
And let's not forget that some muslims have spoken out against this mosque too. But then that would shatter the image of the people being against this being anti islamic bigots.
@autumnsylver Thats predicated on the idea that everyone who opposes this mosque was directly affected, that everyone who was directly affected has PTSD, that everyone with PTSD instantly freaks out and hates those not directly linked to the event etc. Lots of holes. And those muslims are just as wrong.
@LatumWay People don't have to be directly affected by it to develop PTSD from it. In my psychology textbook, it mentions a study done in Saskatchewan after 9/11 that found that people who already had a panic disorder were more deeply affected by 9/11.
Another symptom of PTSD is hypervigilence and chronic arousal: "PTSD sufferers are always on guard for the traumatic event to recur. Sounds or images that remind them of their traumacan instantly create panic and flight." (continued)
@LatumWay (continued) Seeing as how a mosque is a symbol of Islam, I think you can see how it might alarm people who are still suffering trauma from 9/11.
Not everyone who was affected has PTSD. I never claimed that they did. My textbook says that about 20% of people will develop PTSD as a result of a traumatic event. Let's say that each of the 3,000 people had 3 other people in their families. That's 9,000 people. 20% of 9,000 is 1800 people. (continued)
@autumnsylver Okay let me ask you this. Do you believe that the people I'm calling bigots are suffering from PTSD? Surely not. More than 1800 are opposed to this mosque. I'm talking about people like Pat Condell, Pamela Geller, Glenn Beck. Thats who I'm arguing against. Not people with PTSD.
@LatumWay Some of them could be. You don't know. All I'm saying is that a good portion of the people who are against this mosque are likely still suffering trauma due to what happened on 9/11.
Like I said in a previous message - people are going to have a strong reaction to this, whether they've been traumatized or not. The people who *have* been traumatized will have an even stronger reaction than those who haven't.
@LatumWay (continued) How many people were at the mosque protest rally in NY recently? How many people who have lost loved ones on 9/11 are against the mosque?
And while it's true that not everyone with PTSD will "freak out", people will still have a strong reaction to this issue. People who haven't been traumatized have a strong reaction to it. People who have been traumatized will have an even stronger reaction.
@autumnsylver Look, your theory is bunk. Of course people have strong emotional responses, but people with post traumatic stress disorder don't walk through NYC with 'No Mosque At Ground Zero', and thats the people I'm arguing against.
@LatumWay (continued) You can't remove emotion from this issue. It's impossible. And these people have every right to feel the way they feel, without people who don't understand what they're going through calling them bigots.
@autumnsylver "without people who don't understand what they're going through calling them bigots."
That's my main point. I am for allowing the center to be built, but don't understand why so many on these threads can't see the opposition is not all a bunch of bigots. There are some very nice sincere people opposing the center. It isn't an easy decision, there are valid arguments put forward by both sides. I don't know why some are too stupid or obstinate to see that.
One thing that people keep overlooking though is how traumatic the 9/11 attacks were for the families of the victims, and that they're likely still suffering. A lot of them likely have PTSD. One of the symptoms of PTSD is being afraid of what caused the trauma (in this case Islam) and avoiding it as much as possible. In PTSD, people often keep reliving the trauma over and over, sometimes daily.
Been gone for a few weeks and I check in to find an endless chorus of this nonsense.
It's somehow comforting to know that the YT atheist community is literally always dead wrong and out of step with mainstream thought.
Watching the liberal "sensitivity" crowd about face and piss on the 9/11 dead while flying the flag of concern for religious freedom is solid gold. Since when? What a joke.
@LatumWay mrs lil-bitch? you get that from wikipedia too?! mrs vagina faced cuntchops?!...want to come back or shall we just call this one a piece and end it there?!
quick question, sorta unrelated. Does anyone know what most of the conspiracy theorist stances are on the "mosque"? I'm just too lazy to try myself at the moment. But you have any idea? Are they against, if so why? They believe "the Gubbenment did done it"
Good effort. But... you know how moral non cognitivism works? The idea that moral statements are really statements of opinion with no truth value content, so that "murder is evil" really means "boo for murder?" Well, most people are political non cognitivists. They don't know what they're talking about and they don't care. They just know that certain talking points means "Yay us! Boo other people!" and that's all the care about. That's the origin of opposition to Park 51.
If Feisal Rauf, the Ground Zero cleric who thumbs his nose at 9/11 families (and most of America), supports Sharia, refuses to condemn
suicide bombers, claims the US is worse than al-Qaeda, and can't say that Hamas is a terror group no matter how many innocent lives it deliberately destroys in the name of Allah...He is NOT a Moderate.
@LatumWay If you have to resort to ad-hominem attacks it makes YOU look desperate and stupid. In my Opinion Pat Condell has it right that's all. Very cut and dry really.
@jonkabbash It wasn't ad hominem. I wasn't saying his points are less valid because he reads from a script. I was responding to your remark about my editing and Pat Condell's lack of it by telling you he reads from a script - its not hard. I could do that. But I don't because it looks shit.
@LatumWay "Fuck off Fanboy" and "Asshole" are ad hominem. And the Score so far is: Pat Condell 4.8 million views You 1,800 views. Well done, I'm sure he is quaking in his boots.
@LatumWay He's only beating you 2500:1 in a view ratio. What is he paranoid of? Do you really believe that Islam is a totally harmless "Religion of Peace" the Islamist apologists would have you believe? Do Really believe they want to build a Mosque (Community Center) 600 feet from Ground Zero just out of coincidence? Do you really believe that there is some right wing plot to stir up hatred? 65% of New Yorkers are against the Mosque..New York is a Very Democratic state...
@LatumWay Also, you do know that since 9/11 there have been an estimated 16,000 Terrorist attacks around the world in the Name of Islam leaving around 30-50,000 dead. Can you point me to Mormons, Buddhists, Quakers, Christians, or Jews who have behaved this way? (Of course you can't) And how about Honor Killings, Female Genital mutilation, Stoning to death for adultery and all the other lovely contributions of the "Religion of Peace?" Pat Condell is not Paranoid. Read a book or two son.
@LatumWay I made a mistake...the 16,000 Islamic attacks since 9/11 has probably killed closer to 75-100,000..My Mistake. By the way, if the republicans had the power to get 60% of New Yorkers in a Blue state on their side, how did Obama ever get elected?
@ForYeensSake Yo missed a lot more than that. Read more carefully next time. I made some brilliant points...(and Laturnway hasn't answered them yet by the way)
@afghangirl408 We have, and Latum basis his view on his white-guilt and "facts" pulled out of his ass (e.g. 100s of Muslims died on 9/11). The majority of people died on 9/11 were good honest hard working white folks, and of course, the left is condemning the whites (9/11 victims AND "racist" tea baggers) and defending the wild primitive apes we call "Muslims."
@ZamatoElite The fact that used the term "white-folk: automatically makes you sound less creditable. That and you obviously have NO clue to who or what Muslims are if you refer to them as 'primitive' (BUT THEY DON"T HAS THE BIG TVS AND CARS AND ROADS AND STUFF!)
Also, There are SEVERAL white Muslims out there. So them 'white-folks' would be what? half-breeds in your mind? You ignorant xenophobic bastard. (ok I don't know if you're a bastard or not I just like the word)
@Idofphoenix Muslims still live in mud huts, they still carry out public executions by stoning and hanging people, they produce practically no scientific research for the world, they are economically destroyed despite sitting on a gold mine, they still mutilate their genitals and treat women like total shit. Muslims are piece of shit. They need to be exterminated. The world would be a better place.
@DreadedWalrus Male circumcision is practically an extinct custom in the US. The only ones who still practice it are Jews. And to compare female circumcision (which is illegal in USA) to the petty practice of male circumcision is a thought crime.
1st of all muslims condem the 9/11 attacks and our hearts go out to the families and members as well....and YES they were muslims who were killed there.
In today’s world, Islam has become that bumper sticker for America, the default cause of many of our problems in the Muslim world. In the past we have gone in to do battle with anarchists, Nazis, Fascists, communists — today it is "radical Islam."
@ZamatoElite I dont see anything wrong with building a COMMUNITY CENTER!!! being built here i believe the media and ppl have blown this way outta proportion....and need to get there facts straightand i think his vids help ppl understand it
@LatumWay I've already seen the list. 60 or so died. You haven't seen the list, hence why your # is way off. You haven't reviewed the facts at all. You, like your white hating kind, automatically defend the "brown people" no matter the situation. Like I said, if you want all the stupid Muslims, we'll gladly ship em over to England.
... 1 - I don't understand why brits have so much to say about this. I'm not saying you're not entitled to an opinion, it's just weird to me that you all care so much about what pisses off ignorant americans.
2 - there's actually a name for the practice of building mosques on lands that you've conquered. Thinking that this wont send a fairly clear cut message to radical muslims is a bit silly to me.
That being said I wouldn't mind if they forbid the construction of any new religious building
See other counties have this weird habit of caring what is happening to the ENTIRE world and not just their Country. Try watching the BBC News sometime. Unbiased and you get more accurate news for the whole world without the tunnel viision.
@Zakdayak Because what America does inevitably affects the rest of the world, including Europe. You can expect to see Europeans interested in the US directly proportianal to the level it affects Europe. You dont have to like it, or even listen to them/us, but it´s not going to go away.
If the US suddenly abandoned freedom of religion, or freedom of speech or anything like that, that would be a blow to Europe. If America falls to dictatorship, so does the rest of the world..
Thanks for standing up for civil riights in the US, far more than some of my fellow citizens seem willing to do.
The same assholes are in a panic and call Obama a facist because he wanted to give a few people some health care. Yeah, what a threat to our liberties.......
Actually the mosque is being built on ground zero. The debris did reach the area where the mosque is being built.
"100s of Muslims" died in the 9/11 attacks? Try ~60.
The quote you read from does not reveal anything about the intentions of the victory mosque builders. Their intentions are publicly known: to promote tolerance. In other words, they built the mosque where they did to make a point.
If you like the Muslims so much, we Americans will gladly ship them off to your country.
Wherever the debris went is ground zero. Even if you don't accept this definition it's irrelevant, because the debris alone is justification for why the Islamic "Cultural Center" should not be allowed and it's proponents arrested and tried for treason.
"Religious freedom" is a myth. We don't allow religions that rape children, likewise, we don't allow religions that fly airplanes into buildings and impose Islamic totalitarian law on the rest of us.
@SiriusMined No, fucktard. Even if you don't consider the area to be "ground zero," the debris still justified opposition to the mosque. Get it? It's not difficult.
My argument contained no logical fallacies. I was showing how your "free speech absolutism" is bunk in the real world.
The building is a stepping stone towards the normalization of Islamic presence in the west. The Islamic Totalitarian law does not happen over night, it happens over a long period.
@ZamatoElite honestly islam is not that at all.....but im not gonna get into a convo about this on youtube becuz i dont know you or what background u are from to say something like this but i encourage you to reserach ur info ...
1. I've already addressed this in an earlier comment. Even if you don't consider the area to be "ground zero," it's still sacred area that no mosque or terrorist cultural center should be near.
2. Only a pathetic 60 Muslims died, compared to the THOUSANDS of Americans who died. Your # was pulled out of your ass because you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
3. Ya, I'm the one who has disdain for individual rights, that's why I'm defending ISLAM.
@ZamatoElite 1. It ain't fucking sacred. If your argument is that its sacred because shitloads of (christian) people died there, then surely muslims have a claim that its sacred to them too.
2. "Only a pathetic 60 Muslims died" You fucking disgust me. And aren't Muslims americans? You are an awful person. Like I said, it not even about numbers.
@LatumWay 1. Nothing to do with Christians, it has to do with Americans (real ones). Muslims don't have a claim to the land because they are the ones in the first place who made it "sacred."
2. It's about the numbers to me. The 9/11 attacks impacted white Americans more than any other demographic. And there is no such thing as a "Muslims American." There is only a "Muslim Anti-American."
3. Wrong, right. Means nothing to me. This is about increasing our NET LIBERTY.
@ZamatoElite This is the most ANTI American sentiment I have heard in a long time. Our country is a "melting pot" of peoples, cultures and religions. That is what America was founded to be you idiot! And if you want to get into who is and isn't a "real American", you need to go back a lot further than the whites who stuck a flag on it and claimed it.
@JustaWyomingGirl A melting pot of WHITE people. Whenever the melting pot included non-whites everything went to shit. Even the founding fathers despised the Muslims. In early America (under John Adams), Muslims and other anti-American loons were locked in prison. Jefferson invaded the Muslims world with the US's newly minted Navy and toppled all of their empires.
Your "melting pot" story is a liberal myth that is not supported by history. The idea that early Americans were "accepting" is BS.
@ZamatoElite Hey you might want to read the treaty of Tripoli....signed after what you presumably meant when you said the US navy toppled all muslim empires because they hate them.
" Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen"
@ZamatoElite Well that's good that you can speak to the fucking dead. I mean, why trust things they said when zamatoelite has a direct line to their ghostly subconscious.
You know I'm going to click anywhere that pertains to your penis. Nice video as usual, for someone who complains about being too funny you do smart very well.
It seems to this lazy American that a lot of the people opposed to this building are also of the far right, a.k.a., conservative Christian group. You know, the ones that believe the bible is literally true, but eat pork. The ones that believe that the USA is built upon Judeo-Christian laws or beliefs, despite the separation of church and state in the Constitution.
Well there are many variables to consider but the primary consideration is the historical multifaceted approach that Islam has taken to infiltrate, undermine, and ultimately destroy civilizations by tearing them apart from the inside.
By combining the Moderate Muslims seemingly reasonable argumentation and the fascist provoking of the intolerant sects, this ultimately turns people against each other discussing peoples rights, ignoring the obvious motive Islam had, divide and conquer.
Of course I wouldn't be so hasty to make this kind of statement without any kind of scenario to back it up, and non speaks louder than the Taiwanese struggle which has many political motivations but at it's heart has the phrase Islamic hatred as a motivating factor, completely neglecting that Islamic Hatred also connotes the hatred Islam itself doctrines towards non-Muslims.
Also some of the more outspoken imams have touted this as their methodology, "turn them on each other".
yeah but the radicals put up mosques where the conquered lands in the past, go watch pajamas media and get on track kid, even if it's two blocks away they're not going interfaith so who really cares anymore, i got sick of the crap cause the christians and jews might have wanted interfaith but no point..screw it, move it, they view the old burlington coat factory as sacred ground
I honestly don't care if people make a Mosque NEAR ground zero. Just think about the innocent Muslims who've died in Twin Towers. Maybe we could treat the Mosque as a memorial to them and a peace treaty to Islam?
I have had enough of your logic! I am what you call a "Thinker" meaning I only think outwards, information never come into my head, I just say things. Beck & Palin 2012!
A lot of the clowns I've been arguing with have been claiming that the doctrine of taqiyyah allows Muslims to lie whenever they feel like it. This doctrine is actually based on a Quranic text which allows them to ie about their faith when they are under duress - as many Christians did during various phases of oppression in the Roman empire.
fuck u do u know what a mosque is??? and dont speak at muslems that way!!!!!
matazhamaid 6 months ago
@matazhamaid I will say what i damn well please this is America not Nazi Iran were we have 2nd Amendment which is the teeth of the 1st Amendment.
freedombase 6 months ago
@itsayellowfig You might be able to call the prayer space inside the centre a small mosque. But the building as a whole will include a basketball court, a food court, a culinary school, a theatre, a swimming pool etc. Does that sound like a mosque to you?
That aside, the idea that Islam as a whole (i.e. the whole religion) was solely responsible for the 9/11 attacks is laughable. And the belief that Park51 is a 'victory mosque' is absurd in every possible sense.
LatumWay 7 months ago
@itsayellowfig You clearly don't know what a Mosque is.
LatumWay 7 months ago
@LatumWay A Mosque is where Muslim terrorist Train and Plan their Nazi Jihad
freedombase 6 months ago
@freedombase Hahaha you moron...
LatumWay 6 months ago
@LatumWay I cant wait till Israel burns your Muslim Heros Alive
freedombase 6 months ago
@LatumWay so when a Homosexual Bar Opens on either side of the Mosque wonder how those "peaceful" muslims will react
freedombase 5 months ago
In Seville, Spain, locals stopped construction of another mosque by burying a pig on the site and made sure the news became know to the local media. Islamic law forbids erecting mosques on "pig soiled ground". The Muslims had to cancel the project outright. Read "the politically incorrect guide to Islam" the rest of books on islam r watered down and sugared up to attract converts = suckers or to convince gullible people to consider islam as just another misinterpreted peaceful religion.
jaxlnc 10 months ago
My point is you can sit here on Youtube and make a video thinking you know all, but you really know nothing.
nickrock23 1 year ago
I worked at at 90 West st. tho that does not make me an authority on Muslims, I did have the luxury of taking multiple city cabs for years before and after 9-11 and I can tell you unequivocally, after speaking to thousands of Muslims from all over the world, they do NOT frown upon 9-11 in fact they feel it was unfortunate yet warranted and necessary. This is sentiment they won't divulge unless the conversion is long enough to make him believe u genuinely dislike Israel or our support thereof
nickrock23 1 year ago
I would like to correct you on one..Our ancestors were convicts not us =P
NeroTheAtheist 1 year ago
The weapon that Islam is very successfully using to take over the Western World is the Western World's apparently never-ending supply of VERY STUPID PEOPLE. If you are stupid enough to offer a cup of tea at your house to a person who exhibits all the signs of being a dangerous criminal, don't be surprised if he fucks you in the ass, hangs you from the ceiling, and opens your bottle of best Scotch. STUPIDITY IS FATE.
RubbishReligionInnit 1 year ago
The biggest truth about this 'issue' is that its completely sexed up for US election purposes. The best way to defeat the islamophobes is to point out what cheap politics this is by demeaning that motive. Without pointing out this truth you are just debating the wind and arguing within a 'moral theory' box that was constructed for you.
shadownor 1 year ago
I just love the hypocrosy on both sides about intollerance. Intollerance means nothing by this debate from both sides.
kangajd 1 year ago
(continued) And now these people have to look at this giant symbol of the religion, the extremism of which killed their loved ones.
It's like when a rape victim is afraid of men and avoids men as much as possible. Would you call a rape victim a bigot for not wanting men around her?
And let's not forget that some muslims have spoken out against this mosque too. But then that would shatter the image of the people being against this being anti islamic bigots.
autumnsylver 1 year ago
@autumnsylver Thats predicated on the idea that everyone who opposes this mosque was directly affected, that everyone who was directly affected has PTSD, that everyone with PTSD instantly freaks out and hates those not directly linked to the event etc. Lots of holes. And those muslims are just as wrong.
LatumWay 1 year ago
@LatumWay People don't have to be directly affected by it to develop PTSD from it. In my psychology textbook, it mentions a study done in Saskatchewan after 9/11 that found that people who already had a panic disorder were more deeply affected by 9/11.
Another symptom of PTSD is hypervigilence and chronic arousal: "PTSD sufferers are always on guard for the traumatic event to recur. Sounds or images that remind them of their traumacan instantly create panic and flight." (continued)
autumnsylver 1 year ago
@LatumWay (continued) Seeing as how a mosque is a symbol of Islam, I think you can see how it might alarm people who are still suffering trauma from 9/11.
Not everyone who was affected has PTSD. I never claimed that they did. My textbook says that about 20% of people will develop PTSD as a result of a traumatic event. Let's say that each of the 3,000 people had 3 other people in their families. That's 9,000 people. 20% of 9,000 is 1800 people. (continued)
autumnsylver 1 year ago
@autumnsylver Okay let me ask you this. Do you believe that the people I'm calling bigots are suffering from PTSD? Surely not. More than 1800 are opposed to this mosque. I'm talking about people like Pat Condell, Pamela Geller, Glenn Beck. Thats who I'm arguing against. Not people with PTSD.
LatumWay 1 year ago
@LatumWay Some of them could be. You don't know. All I'm saying is that a good portion of the people who are against this mosque are likely still suffering trauma due to what happened on 9/11.
Like I said in a previous message - people are going to have a strong reaction to this, whether they've been traumatized or not. The people who *have* been traumatized will have an even stronger reaction than those who haven't.
autumnsylver 1 year ago
@LatumWay (continued) How many people were at the mosque protest rally in NY recently? How many people who have lost loved ones on 9/11 are against the mosque?
And while it's true that not everyone with PTSD will "freak out", people will still have a strong reaction to this issue. People who haven't been traumatized have a strong reaction to it. People who have been traumatized will have an even stronger reaction.
(continued)
autumnsylver 1 year ago
@autumnsylver Look, your theory is bunk. Of course people have strong emotional responses, but people with post traumatic stress disorder don't walk through NYC with 'No Mosque At Ground Zero', and thats the people I'm arguing against.
LatumWay 1 year ago
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autumnsylver 1 year ago
@LatumWay "people with post traumatic stress disorder don't walk through NYC with 'No Mosque At Ground Zero'"
Unless you can prove that, it's merely conjecture.
autumnsylver 1 year ago
@LatumWay (continued) You can't remove emotion from this issue. It's impossible. And these people have every right to feel the way they feel, without people who don't understand what they're going through calling them bigots.
autumnsylver 1 year ago
@autumnsylver "without people who don't understand what they're going through calling them bigots."
That's my main point. I am for allowing the center to be built, but don't understand why so many on these threads can't see the opposition is not all a bunch of bigots. There are some very nice sincere people opposing the center. It isn't an easy decision, there are valid arguments put forward by both sides. I don't know why some are too stupid or obstinate to see that.
74BobLilly 1 year ago
One thing that people keep overlooking though is how traumatic the 9/11 attacks were for the families of the victims, and that they're likely still suffering. A lot of them likely have PTSD. One of the symptoms of PTSD is being afraid of what caused the trauma (in this case Islam) and avoiding it as much as possible. In PTSD, people often keep reliving the trauma over and over, sometimes daily.
(continued)
autumnsylver 1 year ago
Been gone for a few weeks and I check in to find an endless chorus of this nonsense.
It's somehow comforting to know that the YT atheist community is literally always dead wrong and out of step with mainstream thought.
Watching the liberal "sensitivity" crowd about face and piss on the 9/11 dead while flying the flag of concern for religious freedom is solid gold. Since when? What a joke.
You guys are to much.
Cheers
TheAtheistAntidote 1 year ago
@TheAtheistAntidote Its nothing to do with sensitivity matey. Its do do with freedom and rights.
Ever heard of them?
LatumWay 1 year ago
ex US Marine Ken O'keefe: Israeli Mossad on 9/11
watch?v=BcVTI09T5D4
TheFlex21 1 year ago
I loved how you gave the message with a touch of humor, bloody genious.keep it up bro!! I subbed!!
drfreemason 1 year ago
hope more people can see past the fear mongering and bigotry.. oh and as always, thanks for the lulz..
mykeBC 1 year ago
It's a tough life being a convict.
noswonky 1 year ago
wikipedia...thats a reputable source of fact. well done...you fail
Martyburp28 1 year ago
@Martyburp28 I can find the sources for you mrs lil-bitch.
LatumWay 1 year ago
@LatumWay mrs lil-bitch? you get that from wikipedia too?! mrs vagina faced cuntchops?!...want to come back or shall we just call this one a piece and end it there?!
Martyburp28 1 year ago
@Martyburp28 Whatever suits you buddy.
LatumWay 1 year ago
Dissin' subscribers FTW.
GluteusIlluminatus 1 year ago
quick question, sorta unrelated. Does anyone know what most of the conspiracy theorist stances are on the "mosque"? I'm just too lazy to try myself at the moment. But you have any idea? Are they against, if so why? They believe "the Gubbenment did done it"
bootsalmighty 1 year ago
That you for being a voice of reason in this. People like you help keep us atheists from being hypocrites.
michalchik 1 year ago
lol i bet the muslams would have never thought atheists at lest most of them with this would stand up for them
gottsein234 1 year ago
@gottsein234 Behold the power of white guilt.
ZamatoElite 1 year ago
Good effort. But... you know how moral non cognitivism works? The idea that moral statements are really statements of opinion with no truth value content, so that "murder is evil" really means "boo for murder?" Well, most people are political non cognitivists. They don't know what they're talking about and they don't care. They just know that certain talking points means "Yay us! Boo other people!" and that's all the care about. That's the origin of opposition to Park 51.
Cadfan17 1 year ago
*pout* I mean very little to you? And here I was thinking I had some importance in the world of LatumWay. I am crushed.
squirrly001 1 year ago
@squirrly001 Its the way I feel : )
LatumWay 1 year ago
lol, just call it the "crotch bar" like Bionic Dance does.
MedievalWerewolf 1 year ago
Hmmm ... "bombings" - Maybe a Freudian slip ;-)
And for this video - It's your chest bar ... Or maybe nipple bar.
But apart from this; good videos on this subject. Thumbs up from DK
LuiWallentin 1 year ago
There is a youtube video and the guy walks from ground zero to the terror mosque in three minutes!
Whenever they build that 'freedom tower' you will be able to see the cordoba victory mosque.
Are you kidding me!
What's next! (x3)
Curas1 1 year ago
If Feisal Rauf, the Ground Zero cleric who thumbs his nose at 9/11 families (and most of America), supports Sharia, refuses to condemn
suicide bombers, claims the US is worse than al-Qaeda, and can't say that Hamas is a terror group no matter how many innocent lives it deliberately destroys in the name of Allah...He is NOT a Moderate.
jonkabbash 1 year ago
@jonkabbash Well first of all, you have to ask, even if he isn't a moderate, that doesn't make him on par with Al Qaeda.
AND, you're going to need to prove those claims.
LatumWay 1 year ago
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jonkabbash 1 year ago
You couldn't wipe Pat Condell's ass dude....See if you can do a Video without 100 edits like Condell does.
jonkabbash 1 year ago
@jonkabbash I agree with your problem about massive edits, but what you wrote has nothing to do with his argument against Pat Condell's argument.
JosephDanielsTC7R 1 year ago
@jonkabbash Fuck off fanboy. And condell reads from a script. Its not rocket science asshole.
LatumWay 1 year ago
@LatumWay If you have to resort to ad-hominem attacks it makes YOU look desperate and stupid. In my Opinion Pat Condell has it right that's all. Very cut and dry really.
jonkabbash 1 year ago
@jonkabbash It wasn't ad hominem. I wasn't saying his points are less valid because he reads from a script. I was responding to your remark about my editing and Pat Condell's lack of it by telling you he reads from a script - its not hard. I could do that. But I don't because it looks shit.
LatumWay 1 year ago
@LatumWay "Fuck off Fanboy" and "Asshole" are ad hominem. And the Score so far is: Pat Condell 4.8 million views You 1,800 views. Well done, I'm sure he is quaking in his boots.
jonkabbash 1 year ago
@jonkabbash No they fucking aren't! They're just offhand insults! And yeah, I'm so fucking jealous of that paranoid douche.
LatumWay 1 year ago 7
@LatumWay He's only beating you 2500:1 in a view ratio. What is he paranoid of? Do you really believe that Islam is a totally harmless "Religion of Peace" the Islamist apologists would have you believe? Do Really believe they want to build a Mosque (Community Center) 600 feet from Ground Zero just out of coincidence? Do you really believe that there is some right wing plot to stir up hatred? 65% of New Yorkers are against the Mosque..New York is a Very Democratic state...
jonkabbash 1 year ago
@LatumWay Also, you do know that since 9/11 there have been an estimated 16,000 Terrorist attacks around the world in the Name of Islam leaving around 30-50,000 dead. Can you point me to Mormons, Buddhists, Quakers, Christians, or Jews who have behaved this way? (Of course you can't) And how about Honor Killings, Female Genital mutilation, Stoning to death for adultery and all the other lovely contributions of the "Religion of Peace?" Pat Condell is not Paranoid. Read a book or two son.
jonkabbash 1 year ago
@LatumWay I made a mistake...the 16,000 Islamic attacks since 9/11 has probably killed closer to 75-100,000..My Mistake. By the way, if the republicans had the power to get 60% of New Yorkers in a Blue state on their side, how did Obama ever get elected?
jonkabbash 1 year ago
@jonkabbash You are so right. How else could we Quantify being right other than youtube views.
ForYeensSake 1 year ago
@ForYeensSake That's all you got from my paragraphs of comments? You could have said so much more...I'm disappointed.
jonkabbash 1 year ago
@jonkabbash Yeah the other points were about ad hominem attacks. I'm pretty sure latumway adressed that. I'm just here for poking fun at you =).
ForYeensSake 1 year ago
@ForYeensSake Yo missed a lot more than that. Read more carefully next time. I made some brilliant points...(and Laturnway hasn't answered them yet by the way)
jonkabbash 1 year ago
@jonkabbash Oh please enlighten me. Because right now all you're doing is sounding arrogant.
ForYeensSake 1 year ago
Dumb people are dumb.
thealexalberti 1 year ago
THANK YOU!!!!!! PPl really need to get the info right and research it!
afghangirl408 1 year ago
@afghangirl408 We have, and Latum basis his view on his white-guilt and "facts" pulled out of his ass (e.g. 100s of Muslims died on 9/11). The majority of people died on 9/11 were good honest hard working white folks, and of course, the left is condemning the whites (9/11 victims AND "racist" tea baggers) and defending the wild primitive apes we call "Muslims."
ZamatoElite 1 year ago
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Idofphoenix 1 year ago
@ZamatoElite The fact that used the term "white-folk: automatically makes you sound less creditable. That and you obviously have NO clue to who or what Muslims are if you refer to them as 'primitive' (BUT THEY DON"T HAS THE BIG TVS AND CARS AND ROADS AND STUFF!)
Also, There are SEVERAL white Muslims out there. So them 'white-folks' would be what? half-breeds in your mind? You ignorant xenophobic bastard. (ok I don't know if you're a bastard or not I just like the word)
Idofphoenix 1 year ago
@Idofphoenix Muslims still live in mud huts, they still carry out public executions by stoning and hanging people, they produce practically no scientific research for the world, they are economically destroyed despite sitting on a gold mine, they still mutilate their genitals and treat women like total shit. Muslims are piece of shit. They need to be exterminated. The world would be a better place.
ZamatoElite 1 year ago
@ZamatoElite "they still mutilate their genitals" What, unlike Americans you mean? ;)
DreadedWalrus 1 year ago
@DreadedWalrus Male circumcision is practically an extinct custom in the US. The only ones who still practice it are Jews. And to compare female circumcision (which is illegal in USA) to the petty practice of male circumcision is a thought crime.
ZamatoElite 1 year ago
@ZamatoElite wth are u talking about bro.....
1st of all muslims condem the 9/11 attacks and our hearts go out to the families and members as well....and YES they were muslims who were killed there.
In today’s world, Islam has become that bumper sticker for America, the default cause of many of our problems in the Muslim world. In the past we have gone in to do battle with anarchists, Nazis, Fascists, communists — today it is "radical Islam."
Religion isn't the problem--WE are the problem.
afghangirl408 1 year ago
@ZamatoElite I dont see anything wrong with building a COMMUNITY CENTER!!! being built here i believe the media and ppl have blown this way outta proportion....and need to get there facts straightand i think his vids help ppl understand it
afghangirl408 1 year ago
@ZamatoElite Its got nothing to do with white guilt, and nor am I left wing. And I can give to a list of those muslims if you want.
You are just a racist douche.
LatumWay 1 year ago
@LatumWay I've already seen the list. 60 or so died. You haven't seen the list, hence why your # is way off. You haven't reviewed the facts at all. You, like your white hating kind, automatically defend the "brown people" no matter the situation. Like I said, if you want all the stupid Muslims, we'll gladly ship em over to England.
ZamatoElite 1 year ago
what was the accent you did in the first question? O_o i thought it was an bad attempt at an irish accent :L
AyeYirMa 1 year ago
@AyeYirMa Yep : )
LatumWay 1 year ago
Well said. Gread video, by the way you can really do a great American accent.
storm7 1 year ago
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StefanPochmann 1 year ago
... 1 - I don't understand why brits have so much to say about this. I'm not saying you're not entitled to an opinion, it's just weird to me that you all care so much about what pisses off ignorant americans.
2 - there's actually a name for the practice of building mosques on lands that you've conquered. Thinking that this wont send a fairly clear cut message to radical muslims is a bit silly to me.
That being said I wouldn't mind if they forbid the construction of any new religious building
Guardian0487 1 year ago
@Guardian0487
See other counties have this weird habit of caring what is happening to the ENTIRE world and not just their Country. Try watching the BBC News sometime. Unbiased and you get more accurate news for the whole world without the tunnel viision.
Idofphoenix 1 year ago
@Guardian0487 Its an interesting topic. And not only that, what happens in america ripples throughout the world.
LatumWay 1 year ago
LOL @ aussie diss lol
silverhawkroman 1 year ago
I believe "fazal" is pronounced "fozzle", like nozzle.
Ebrainiac1 1 year ago
Trust me, they don't get what you're saying, sadly.
Delichtig 1 year ago
I'm still waiting for your version of the Brooklyn accent ;-)
Anekantavad 1 year ago
syphilis bar.
ShadowofProclimaton 1 year ago
I can't believe you're making videos about American politics...how boring must the Brits be?
Zakdayak 1 year ago
@Zakdayak British politics can be really boring. American politics has way more scandals and crazy people.
LatumWay 1 year ago
@Zakdayak Because what America does inevitably affects the rest of the world, including Europe. You can expect to see Europeans interested in the US directly proportianal to the level it affects Europe. You dont have to like it, or even listen to them/us, but it´s not going to go away.
If the US suddenly abandoned freedom of religion, or freedom of speech or anything like that, that would be a blow to Europe. If America falls to dictatorship, so does the rest of the world..
Korkzor 1 year ago
ok I'm unsubscribing just for that cocky statement! lol
And after you said you loved us all.
I'm not hanging around to be treated like the bitch of this relationship!
DarkKnightBob1o1 1 year ago
Hi Jacob.
Thanks for standing up for civil riights in the US, far more than some of my fellow citizens seem willing to do.
The same assholes are in a panic and call Obama a facist because he wanted to give a few people some health care. Yeah, what a threat to our liberties.......
SiriusMined 1 year ago 9
@SiriusMined "Thanks for standing up for civil riights in the US, far more than some of my fellow citizens seem willing to do."
He ought to be working on his own country which doesn't even have a constitutional right to free speech.
74BobLilly 1 year ago
Actually the mosque is being built on ground zero. The debris did reach the area where the mosque is being built.
"100s of Muslims" died in the 9/11 attacks? Try ~60.
The quote you read from does not reveal anything about the intentions of the victory mosque builders. Their intentions are publicly known: to promote tolerance. In other words, they built the mosque where they did to make a point.
If you like the Muslims so much, we Americans will gladly ship them off to your country.
ZamatoElite 1 year ago
@ZamatoElite
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6 minutes ago Actually the mosque is being built on ground zero. The debris did reach the area where the mosque is being built.
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Dumbass, that doesn't make it "Ground Zero"
Do you even know what the fucking expression MEANS? Where it came from?
"If you like the Muslims so much, we Americans will gladly ship them off to your country."
Maybe he just likes the RIGHT that we have here in the US
Why do you hate the Constitution?
SiriusMined 1 year ago
@SiriusMined
Wherever the debris went is ground zero. Even if you don't accept this definition it's irrelevant, because the debris alone is justification for why the Islamic "Cultural Center" should not be allowed and it's proponents arrested and tried for treason.
"Religious freedom" is a myth. We don't allow religions that rape children, likewise, we don't allow religions that fly airplanes into buildings and impose Islamic totalitarian law on the rest of us.
ZamatoElite 1 year ago
@ZamatoElite
"Even if you don't accept this definition it's irrelevant, because the debris alone is justification"
So your response is, "even if the debris isn't justification, it's justification". You are a fucktard of epic proporation.
" We don't allow religions that rape children"
A non-sequiter, and a strawman to boot.
"and impose Islamic totalitarian law on the rest of us."
How does this building do that IN ANY WAY?
SiriusMined 1 year ago
@SiriusMined No, fucktard. Even if you don't consider the area to be "ground zero," the debris still justified opposition to the mosque. Get it? It's not difficult.
My argument contained no logical fallacies. I was showing how your "free speech absolutism" is bunk in the real world.
The building is a stepping stone towards the normalization of Islamic presence in the west. The Islamic Totalitarian law does not happen over night, it happens over a long period.
Trying thinking 4 once.
ZamatoElite 1 year ago
@ZamatoElite honestly islam is not that at all.....but im not gonna get into a convo about this on youtube becuz i dont know you or what background u are from to say something like this but i encourage you to reserach ur info ...
afghangirl408 1 year ago
@ZamatoElite 1. Areas simply hit by the debris are not considered ground zero.
2. It doesn't matter fucking many died. If one died that would be too much.
3. You're a racist, authoritarian douche who clearly has a deeply-felt, viseral distain for individual rights.
LatumWay 1 year ago
@LatumWay
1. I've already addressed this in an earlier comment. Even if you don't consider the area to be "ground zero," it's still sacred area that no mosque or terrorist cultural center should be near.
2. Only a pathetic 60 Muslims died, compared to the THOUSANDS of Americans who died. Your # was pulled out of your ass because you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
3. Ya, I'm the one who has disdain for individual rights, that's why I'm defending ISLAM.
ZamatoElite 1 year ago
@ZamatoElite 1. It ain't fucking sacred. If your argument is that its sacred because shitloads of (christian) people died there, then surely muslims have a claim that its sacred to them too.
2. "Only a pathetic 60 Muslims died" You fucking disgust me. And aren't Muslims americans? You are an awful person. Like I said, it not even about numbers.
3. Two wrongs don't make a right.
LatumWay 1 year ago
@LatumWay 1. Nothing to do with Christians, it has to do with Americans (real ones). Muslims don't have a claim to the land because they are the ones in the first place who made it "sacred."
2. It's about the numbers to me. The 9/11 attacks impacted white Americans more than any other demographic. And there is no such thing as a "Muslims American." There is only a "Muslim Anti-American."
3. Wrong, right. Means nothing to me. This is about increasing our NET LIBERTY.
ZamatoElite 1 year ago
@ZamatoElite This is the most ANTI American sentiment I have heard in a long time. Our country is a "melting pot" of peoples, cultures and religions. That is what America was founded to be you idiot! And if you want to get into who is and isn't a "real American", you need to go back a lot further than the whites who stuck a flag on it and claimed it.
JustaWyomingGirl 1 year ago
@JustaWyomingGirl A melting pot of WHITE people. Whenever the melting pot included non-whites everything went to shit. Even the founding fathers despised the Muslims. In early America (under John Adams), Muslims and other anti-American loons were locked in prison. Jefferson invaded the Muslims world with the US's newly minted Navy and toppled all of their empires.
Your "melting pot" story is a liberal myth that is not supported by history. The idea that early Americans were "accepting" is BS.
ZamatoElite 1 year ago
@ZamatoElite Hey you might want to read the treaty of Tripoli....signed after what you presumably meant when you said the US navy toppled all muslim empires because they hate them.
" Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen"
TheGreatOldOnes 1 year ago
@TheGreatOldOnes The Treaty of Tripoli was just a political ploy. All the founding fathers secretly hated the dirty Muslims, and for good reason.
ZamatoElite 1 year ago
@ZamatoElite Well that's good that you can speak to the fucking dead. I mean, why trust things they said when zamatoelite has a direct line to their ghostly subconscious.
TheGreatOldOnes 1 year ago
Thanks again
It`s always nice to leech some extra views...
You know, me being a thieving convict and all.
Glad you liked the video you racist bastard.
RaymondCorrigan 1 year ago
@RaymondCorrigan I'm just speaking the truth.
LatumWay 1 year ago
You know I'm going to click anywhere that pertains to your penis. Nice video as usual, for someone who complains about being too funny you do smart very well.
ScouseCaspaXS 1 year ago
@ScouseCaspaXS : )
LatumWay 1 year ago
It seems to this lazy American that a lot of the people opposed to this building are also of the far right, a.k.a., conservative Christian group. You know, the ones that believe the bible is literally true, but eat pork. The ones that believe that the USA is built upon Judeo-Christian laws or beliefs, despite the separation of church and state in the Constitution.
That's not fact, just mere speculation.
mikevalla 1 year ago
@mikevalla
"You know, the ones that believe the bible is literally true, but eat pork."
Hypocrisy is fun!!!
SiriusMined 1 year ago
Well said Jake, you're OK for for an Englishman.
Nhurm 1 year ago
@Nhurm Wait, he's _ENGLISH_!?! Fuck this commie bastard... *unsubscribe* ;)
puellanivis 1 year ago
@puellanivis and you are an "Ewe_Arse_Of_Ehh?_ian" with a sense of humour. So you're OK as well.
Nhurm 1 year ago
Ah-ha! I see you read my comment from the previous video stating the first myth of this video. Or maybe it's entirely coincidence.
ChaoticSupernova 1 year ago
@ChaoticSupernova No I saw it : )
LatumWay 1 year ago
"A lot of the opposition to this center is coming from people who are entirely ignorant of the facts, who have done no research into it whatsoever."
Sounds a lot like your typical Teabagger to me.
1140Cecile 1 year ago 13
Tempted to do a video response, but I will pass on this one.
Too much of a controversy area with to many variables it would be like wading through molasses.
MarxIzalias 1 year ago
@MarxIzalias What about? Why'd you want to respond?
LatumWay 1 year ago
@LatumWay
Well there are many variables to consider but the primary consideration is the historical multifaceted approach that Islam has taken to infiltrate, undermine, and ultimately destroy civilizations by tearing them apart from the inside.
By combining the Moderate Muslims seemingly reasonable argumentation and the fascist provoking of the intolerant sects, this ultimately turns people against each other discussing peoples rights, ignoring the obvious motive Islam had, divide and conquer.
MarxIzalias 1 year ago
@LatumWay
Of course I wouldn't be so hasty to make this kind of statement without any kind of scenario to back it up, and non speaks louder than the Taiwanese struggle which has many political motivations but at it's heart has the phrase Islamic hatred as a motivating factor, completely neglecting that Islamic Hatred also connotes the hatred Islam itself doctrines towards non-Muslims.
Also some of the more outspoken imams have touted this as their methodology, "turn them on each other".
MarxIzalias 1 year ago
@MarxIzalias WOOOOSH.
LatumWay 1 year ago
Bravo Mate!
Tanyia48 1 year ago
It's pretty obvious that none of these things are true. The people who repeat these lies know that they are lies.
They are really trying to provoke a fight with Muslims at any opportunity.
Ninjaculation 1 year ago
ahh.. that good old sarah-palin-proof ''you can see it from here" argument.
TuplaPekka 1 year ago
I guess the idea that your previous video would be your last on the subject was yet another mosque myth.
bottlezone 1 year ago
"Or were they?" Does anyone know the flight number of the plane that flew into the Pentagon and who were the crew members who died?
youtube.com/watch?v=lsWZHKIg3Cs
brucegrenehan1 1 year ago
@brucegrenehan1 my bad. I found both--flight 77. Sorry, Charlie Shene.
brucegrenehan1 1 year ago
great accents. first american voice sounds a lot like me. good job.
Ninjaculation 1 year ago
haha, man, love the new editing techniques, *ting* *points and winks*
Darw1n1st 1 year ago
Research is not needed for propagande bullshit.
Vogter2100 1 year ago
What ever they build it will be atop a sarcophagus. Bad feng shui.
moreaudan 1 year ago
Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from the Mosque at Ground Zero . The Southern redneck accent killed me. Great Video.
xxxMST3Kxxx 1 year ago
just wanted to tell you that I love it that you are putting more humour into your videos!! :D
FatLingon 1 year ago
naw you're wrong apparently america is infested with fanatical christians
isawanangel2 1 year ago
yeah but the radicals put up mosques where the conquered lands in the past, go watch pajamas media and get on track kid, even if it's two blocks away they're not going interfaith so who really cares anymore, i got sick of the crap cause the christians and jews might have wanted interfaith but no point..screw it, move it, they view the old burlington coat factory as sacred ground
isawanangel2 1 year ago
doobly doo
link on the doobly doo |:P
TemporalOnline 1 year ago
Who's the lone douchebag that thumbed this video down? Ya feelin' lonely over there by yourself? Wishin' that you could change your vote now, are ya?
maverik713 1 year ago
@maverik713 It's probably *cough* Pat Condell *cough*
FatLingon 1 year ago
It's SO WEIRD to hear a non-American English speaker talk with a perfect American accent.
JimHisself 1 year ago
@JimHisself *blushes* shucks. I'm sure its not perfect...
LatumWay 1 year ago
It's just another excuse for people who already hate other people to hate other people more. And you can quote me on that, it's brilliant.
dannypantsgm 1 year ago
i can see ground zero from my computer! should i therefore be blocked from googling it?
dunndudebemelol 1 year ago
Bum bum bummmmm!
mrx0066600 1 year ago
I honestly don't care if people make a Mosque NEAR ground zero. Just think about the innocent Muslims who've died in Twin Towers. Maybe we could treat the Mosque as a memorial to them and a peace treaty to Islam?
supersmash43 1 year ago
General direction of your penis?
...Left?
290026 1 year ago
@290026 The description box hasn't been to the left of videos for months.
DemonLordTyrus 1 year ago
@DemonLordTyrus (yes, @myself)
Actually, the description box has never been to the left. It used to be to the right.
What the hell? :/
DemonLordTyrus 1 year ago
@DemonLordTyrus the the left of the vid maker.
Vogter2100 1 year ago
@DemonLordTyrus It has never been left of the videos as far as i'm aware, was on the right previously. Anyways, it was just a joke.
290026 1 year ago
I have had enough of your logic! I am what you call a "Thinker" meaning I only think outwards, information never come into my head, I just say things. Beck & Palin 2012!
TheGreatFoxKing 1 year ago
A lot of the clowns I've been arguing with have been claiming that the doctrine of taqiyyah allows Muslims to lie whenever they feel like it. This doctrine is actually based on a Quranic text which allows them to ie about their faith when they are under duress - as many Christians did during various phases of oppression in the Roman empire.
pirbird14 1 year ago
next theyll be takin arr jobs!
Slapnuts6931 1 year ago
CROTCH BAR! It's called a CROTCH bar!
BionicDance 1 year ago
@BionicDance THATS AN UGLY TERM. I need something elegant...
LatumWay 1 year ago
@LatumWay It's that it IS an ugly term which makes us laugh.
This is A Good Thing™; laughter keeps us from interstate killing sprees. *evil, evil glint*
BionicDance 1 year ago
Wait, wait, wait... you actually support the building of this mosque/community center? I've lost all faith in humanity.
WhiteDragon103 1 year ago
But ground zero is anywhere where anybody's found anything that might have been from the WTC towers!!!!!111
SAsgarters 1 year ago
I feel special.
DING!
Where did all that cash come from? DUN DUN DUUUUN!
TheOtherSide100 1 year ago
Der buildin a mawsk awn ground zero!
Morrakiu 1 year ago
OR WERE THEY! DUN DUN DUNNNNNN! I lol'ed
Michigan1985 1 year ago