The nazis didn't let Greece leave euro,because it gave them the oppurtunity to have a german nazi protectorate in south europe.All these finlands, hollands amd austrians are the same kind of nazis as well. The idiot french don't see it at all. The nazis have already one colony (Kroatia) and protectorates in Europe such as Bosnia and Greece.Fuck the nazis. Fuck Germany. Don't let fucking Adolph save the european banks. The third world war is somewhere further up that road.The nazis did it again.
@thelostislandboy Congrats! One of the stupidest comments on you tube I have ever read. You are qualified for the ' you tube moron award 2012'. You should see a doctor to get some help!
@dimalex8 YES I AM but sorry to dissapoint you when greece was and still is in DEEP SHIT albania was only of few countries who had growth in europe and still is great track unlike greece. :DDDDDD
@TheIllyrianWarrior88 dont be sorry. Well it seems you dont live in albania, so you look at the stats and the growth. Tyrana is a beautifull city, but besides tyranna every other place of albania is like 3rd world. Besides, take a look at the amount of money invested by greek companies in albania. The main income of albania last 10 years was the money albanians working in greece sent. So when u say death to greece, u say death to 1 mil albanians living in greece too. Time to grow up man
@TheIllyrianWarrior88 Ηahaha..that's the stupiest thing I have ever heard..How the hell do you think that Greece was moving on until then? Greece never needed people from around the world to come and work here. That's 4sure
I warn Germany and I have a fully acknowledge of what I am saying, your policy will destroy the lifes of all European people. We will stay behind from the rest world and suffer for ages, and you will be responsible , people of Europe will not forgive you that! Remember this and help Greece, you are already late and responsible!
I warn Germany and I have a fully acknowledge of what I am saying, your policy will destroy the lifes of all European people. We will stay behind from the rest world and suffer for ages, and you will be responsible , people of Europe will not forgive you that! Remember this and help Greece, you are already late!
I warn Germany and I have a fully acknowledge of what I am saying, your policy will destroy the lifes of all European people. We will stay behind from the rest world and suffer for ages, and you will be responsible for that, people will not forgive you! Remember this and help Greece
I's not a shame to b Greek! There's no need to hate them for what some good for nothing politicians do.They just do whatever they want behind our backs ! All this pay-back should have started earlier so it would be less hard for everyone.The Greeks weren't aware of their sitation 'til 2009. Who's to blame? Certainly not the people but all the presure is on them!
I am part Greek and all I see is that the Greek politicians are paid for nothing.Two years ago they said that there's still loads of money.It 's certainly not the people's fault if we are in this situation. I think think that all this pay-back should have started earlier. The Germans politicians (not only them) knew what would happen and they let things go this way so that everybody hates Greece and it gets out of eurozone.
We are not more then a fucking bunch of small nations who ahve nothign better to do then fight and kill each other. Are really fucking serious it should be like that again.
The Eu is not perfect but its the fucking best way.
And one last thing.Im german i like to beat up every person who comes with ww1 or ww2 dont forget,we had to rebuild our country two FUCKING TIMES
@abpire WOW,I guess you are those germans who have a brain,and know that Europe going this way put together will make only 12% of the worlds GDP in mere 50 years,pathetic......
No you didn’t ,we build it, including Greece to prevent soviets take the Europe, go study a book because you embarrassing your self with what you are saying, or now I am thinking again , you better not talk about history at all.....
@abpire so did the rest of countries u conquered. The sad thing is that the majority of germans think their tax money to help greece go to the greek people, but not even 1 euro goes to greeks, all these money go to the banks. So neither the german people neither the greeks win, in the end the banks win. Wrong policy by merkel got us in this mess. They should be honest from the beginning but instead they tortured greeks and played games for 2 years
I can sit here and write to you for ages, explainging many things but nobody gives a rat's crap. I have nothing against the simple, ordinary German taxpayer. I am sure they are nice ordinary people with their own concerns and problems. I am not hunting ghosts of the past and have nothing personal here. I am just disgusted with the political oligarchy of our days. Worse days will follow, that's for sure. Peace!
In this new financialized warfare, governments are being directed to act as enforcement agents on behalf of the financial conquerors against their own domestic populations. This is not new, to be sure. We have seen this with the IMF several times in the past. When debts cannot be paid or rolled over, foreclosure time arrives. IMF austerity measures were created to fail and worsen the situation.By shrinking the economy, debt deflation helps break the power of labor to resist! How sad is that!
One of the three defining characteristics of a nation-state is the power to create money. A second characteristic is the power to levy taxes. Both of these powers are being transferred out of the hands of democratically elected representatives to the financial sector, as a result of tying the hands of government. Germany, via the ECB, has deprived governments of the power to create money. This in the first place goes against the EEU consitution. But ofcourse who would dare to question it?
Much more striking is the travesty of German history that is being repeated again and again, as if repetition somehow will stop people from remembering what actually happened in the 20th century. To hear ECB officials tell the story, it would be reckless for a central bank to lend to government, because of the danger of hyperinflation. Memories are conjured up of the Weimar inflation in Germany in the 1920s. What a joke, this is the so called implanted memory effect.
the Eurozone has a central bank, but Article 123 of the Lisbon treaty forbids the ECB from doing what central banks were created to do: create the money to finance government budget deficits or roll over their debt falling due. It is so dirty and illegal that any person with basic history knowledge can see how distorted it is. The claim is that if a central bank creates credit, this threatens price stability. Only government spending is deemed to be inflationary, not private credit!!!
However, the ECB which is in fact Germany consisstently DENIES to print out money. when it comes to governments creating money to finance their budget deficits for spending in the rest of the economy, banks would prefer to have this market and its interest return for themselves.
Governments do not need to borrow from commercial bankers or other lenders. Ever since the Bank of England was founded in 1694, central banks have printed money to finance public spending. Bankers also create credit freely – when they make a loan and credit the customer’s account, in exchange for a promissory note bearing interest.
The Greeks that migrated to Germany did so in despair to feed their families in the 50's and 60's. It is cynical from your point of you to use this as an argument as it directly turns back to you as a boomerang. You know the reasons why i am saying that and it is not my wish to start scartching old wounds.
This is the treadmill on which Eurozone social democracies are now being placed. Under the political umbrella of financial emergency, wages and living standards are to be scaled back and political power shifted from elected government to technocrats governing on behalf of large banks and financial institutions. This is most certainly undemocratic, inhumane and is imposed by the German goverment the most. To encourage such as policy within a continent like EU takes us back to dark ages!
The ECB, EU and IMF “troika” say that whatever the wealthy take, steal or evade paying must be made up by the population at large is not a politically neutral position. It comes down hard on the side of wealth that has been unfairly taken.The ideology of EEU technocrats is the same austerity philosophy that the IMF imposed on Third World debtors from the 1960s through the 1980s. Public sectors are in fact confescated to pay a huge debt. This is unfair considering the recent EU history.
Europe has now been tarnsformed from Democracy to Oligarchy. The problem is that Greece lacks the ready money to redeem its debts and pay the interest charges. Germany and the ECB is demanding that it sell off public assets – land, water and sewer systems, ports and other assets in the public domain, and also cut back pensions and other payments to its population. This is trully unprecedented for a European nation and it is most shocking that Germany imposes this policy by forcing IMF to EEU.
It's not just alone Germany slowly losing patience with Greece.Greece has been promised much but delivered little. The action against corruption at all levels, fight against tax evasion etc. One must also say Greeks have cheated, subsidies have been omitted and it was always, lining their own pockets.
13) The Germans are now holding almost all the cards in this crazy pocker game, and that's their problem: With so many options, they must make hard decisions -- and that does not come easily for postwar Germany. I only hope that all EEU citizens, and mostly the Germans, will soon wake up and realize where are we trully heading to. Do not forget, behind those numbers there are people. And the problem will soon affect you, no matter what. I hope i did not upset you much. Peace!
12) And Germany must not see a return to the anti-German feeling of previous times. In one way, the issue is Greece but the truth is that it now becomes clear that Germans consists the big question mark. How far are they willing to go, and do they fully understand their national interests? Increasingly, this crisis is ceasing to be a Greek or Italian crisis. It is a crisis of the role Germany will play in Europe in the future.
11) Germany must have a free-trade zone in Europe but also demands prudence in borrowing practices. That's fair and understandable as they are the ones that have been profited the most from the EEU, in contrast to most of the other nations. This is absolutely and 100% undoubtful!! I can provide numbers if requested.
10) Undoubtly, Germany has been a so-to-say historic nightmare for most of Europe. By pushing this situation to the end, the outcome will most certainly be explosive. and for sure, it will be the opposite of what Germany needs.
@lifeistooshortdude There is no fear of the Germans. The Greeks are the only ones to play this card. It's not only Germany, the Dutch, Swedes, Norwegians, Finns feel the same about Greece. The political parties in Greece love to play this card in order to attract voters for their political parties. There are no nightmares but they are about 600.000 Greeks living in Germany.
@ad220588 I do not think that it is up to the simple Greek civilian to play this card.
I do not blame you for telling that cause you are simply, like the majority of fellow Europeans, one more misinformed citizen of this continent. The Greeks are unexcusable for the tax evasion and data manipulation, as i mentioned in my previous post. This should be clear. But the latter is most certainly not the reason behind this fiscal experiment that we are presently experiencing. Let me explain myself.
@ad220588 I do not resent the German citizen at all. I never referred to the ordinary German person who I am sure is a nice, fun having guy. I condemn the politics and only these! Peace
9) That crisis is above all humane but also political. More than ever before, sovereign debt issues turn into threats to national independence and sovereignty. If you owe too much money and your creditors distrust you, you lose the right to national-self determination on the most important matters. Germans repeat the same mistakes of their past, just in a different way. I am quite shocked in fact as I thought they learned their lessons. Their actions question that to a huge extent, I am afraid..
@lifeistooshortdude This is a Selfmade crisis cooked by Greeks and their goverment.
The Germans and all other Creditors have already declined to half of its liabilities to the Greeks. It was a debt cut around 50%..In return they demanded that the Greeks pushing for reforms of the taxation and fight against corruption. But there is nothing of the Greeks !
8) Germans must preserve the European Union so they can enjoy a European free-trade zone, otherwise they are lost alotogether!!. Their dilemma is now huge as they face an inherent tension between preserving the system and imposing discipline. However, Germany has made a huge mistake which it will eventually cost it loads at many levels: it decided to make an example of the Greeks.
7) The financial crisis has already profoundly circumscribed Greek democracy by transferring fundamental elements of Greek sovereignty into the hands of commissioners whose primary interest is the repayment of debt, not Greek national interests. The truth, though, is that behind the number, there are good, innocent, hard working family people who suffer for no reason whatsoever!
5) True austerity within the European Union will soon become disastrous for the German economy, since declines in consumption would have come at the expense of German exports. Make no mistake about it, it will soon touch Germany as well!
6) The constant German demand for suspension of Greek national self-determination is particularly striking, provoking, insulting and says a lot about how undemocratic and inhumane EEU has become! :-(
4) Germans are at the same time WRONG! when they get angry with the Greeks cause Germany encouraged demand for its exports by facilitating irresponsible lending practices across Europe. So they are part of the same HYPOCRICY and selectively choose now to forget about turning a blinded eye to all countries that manipulated their data to enter EEU.
@lifeistooshortdude Greece is the only importer and buyer of German goods. ?! - This is nonsens. there is a buyer and there is a seller and the Seller always have the right to say - no. noone will ever be forced ito buying
1) The whole fiscal crisis joke is the biggest set-up of the modern history
2) Fake financial crisis are created with the ultimate purpose of hugely undervaluing a country's infrastructure and then prompting the big sharks to come and take everything for peanuts
3) Germans are CORRECT when they get angry with the Greeks cause their economy and organization was always a mesh and they are now asked to pay money for it
It is ridiculars for EU to bail out Greece in the first place. Greece has owe hundreds of billions when its total assets only worth 30 billions. How does Greece repay the debt?
Funny. Over half a year later, the tax payers from the strongest eu countries still pay the debts of the greek with no end in sight. Meanwhile the greek start to call the germans nazis for dictating them harsh austerities and the german taxpayers still don't know, why they have to pay for greek debts and get even insulted for it. Still the governments keep their course against the will of their people. You start to wonder why they cramp so hard on this course. Who profits?
@CoIdHeat neither greek neither germans profit. All these european tax payers money go to the banks. As for greeks you can understand why they feel this way.
EU and IMF came and said u must make these cuts and take these measures or else u will default, we said ok.Next month they came with new measures saying the same thing, this is going on for 2 years. Every month for 2 years greeks are threatened and we got to the point where they want us to sell islands or cancel the elections(democracy?)
@dimalex8 To be honest, i can hardly understand why the greek feel this way. Austerities aren't like a walk in the park, thats for sure and being more or less dictated what to do by other countries neither but i understand, why these countries act this way. They try to protect the investments of their tax payers, as every good politician should. The only real alternative for greece is total bankrupt and i still believe, no one would want that. Btw: Selling islands or cancel elections?
@CoIdHeat The dilema is sudden death or slow death. Most greeks prefer greece to bankrupt and start over again.
And yes, european ministers asked the greek parties to cancel the elections, the current prime minister wasnt elected by the people. In the upcoming elections greek leftish parties have over 40% all together and the majority of them want us to declare odious debt and put to trial all the bankers and politicians who stole all that money.
It isnt just austerities, its the feeling that we've been fooled. They came 2 years ago with a plan, a painfull plan for the greeks but we accepted it, the plan failed and the next month they came with other austerities, next month the same. Its kinda funny, they are trying to save us(as they say) but we do not want to be saved, we dont want their "help" let us default for god's sake!!
@dimalex8 I can understand that feeling and the french and german citizens would be happy about that decision as well. The benefit with a "sudden death" would be, that you could drastically devalue your currency. You may start from zero but you rise again faster. I dont understand what the european leaders fear. The rating agencies? They decided to give more money to keep this country barely alive but on the same time, agreed to abate 50% of the lend money. Who really profits?
funny that we don't see this stuff in german media. in german media it's always about "yes we need the euro it brought us peace and prosperity" i say bullshit. give the sovereignty back to the nations and the people. europe is captured by the international banking kartell. poor greece is just the first pawn to fall, the rest will follow, the riots are provoked on purpose, the goal is to establish a european regieme. wake up people please. the eu ist a dictator ship not peace!!!
i think the main problems is: the wages. we germans are "working machines" maybe "robots " in some way. and we work for shrinking wages over the last 5 years. thats made the german industry to a competitive GIANT in the world. in combination with the "german efficiency" and "german engineering" low wages subsequently lead into that mess. no other country can compete with this combination of (relatively) low price and very high quality and innovation. the only solution is : minimum wages !
@thomas71bluestar If minimum wages should come they have to be flexible enough to adapt to global economic influences. For example when we are in a recession the wages have to shrink like everything else. otherwise the entire economy collapses like in greece they have minimum wages and look what happened.
But I think the model with minium wages being negotiated between unions and employers on an anual basis is acceptable for both parties.
@BugMagnet you need strong unions to gain acceptable results. but the unions - even in germany- are in decline. a few weeks ago i heard on german TV Phönix a MoP from the FDP calling for "the responsibility of the unions for their members and the society" ... ohhh what?? they fight the unions wherever they can and blame them for unsuccessful negotiations and shrinking wages? what a crazy world.....
@thomasbluestar well the fdp.... we regard them as clowns over here. no one takes them seriously they always say what they are told by whoever donates the most to their party.
After the next general elections they won't even be sitting in parliament anymore.
After the next elections in Germany we will have to pay that´s for sure, our finance minister said that the discussion about the reduced GST (MwSt) which we pay for certain foodstuff will be posponed until after the next elections. We are all in for a big shock, that´s for sure.
We can´t bail out half of Europe without going down the drain ourselves! If you ask me there is no future for Europe the way it is at the moment.There are big cultural differences between the countries in south Europe and North Europe. We can´t expect the Greeks to change their mentality and their way of living. Maybe it´s time to create a north European unity,
@ger1ist I am starting to agree with the idea that we should leave the EU and form a new coalition of northern/progressive countries: UK, Germany, France, the Scandinavian ones that want to join, Holland, Belgium, Ireland (only because they are our little brothers) and the Eastern European ones that show promise. I am getting fed up with the problems that Greece, Spain, Italy and others are causing us. They can form their own coalition of corrupt and lazy buggers.
@fredmila You are 100% right! We should split into two fractions. The North European union anthe South European union. The way we are going now will make the whole of Europe fail. Standard and Poor´s has already threatened to downgrade us all (including Germany).
@DerHirni I agree with you. The American rating agencies just want to make the Euro crisis worse and to accomplish that they have to downgrade countries like Germany even if this is BS.
The North European union and the South European union,LOL,a polite "go fuck yourself to Southern Europe",ironically,that could be most excellent to Southern Europe,if the right policies were taken afterwards.
shame to all of you! you,dont know nothing about economy listen the media and you leaving a comment!u dont even know what is really happening!thing what cappitalism doing!u think usa is better?owns to china billions!people starving there!we should be one!cappitalism destroying the reall meaning of life!u care more to buy i phone than to be really happy in your lives!i feel sorry for you even if u say we r lazy!my dad works 10 hours and he has 4 kis to feed!he almost gonna get crazy!so unfair.
But in that case you wouldn't need a coalition in general would you?
A coalition in which you bail out as soon as some of the members have problems wouldn't make sense since the reason to form a coalition is more or less: So that the members could help eachother as soon as someone has problems.
Of course, the current situatíon is problematic since the whole EU could fail but if you dislike the situation now you shouldn't try the same experiment a second time.
@Kill0rbAg The countries in a coalition need to be honest, in the first place. The PIGS countries got in the EU by lying about their economies. Next time the PIGS will be out.
It wasn't us irish or anyone who needed a bailout maybe Greece have being a big problem but not the rest of us. All them german fuckers caused this by not printing enough money we all know the truth you can't hide it forever.
It'd be better off if Germany had no money, they owe a lot of people a lot of money not the other way around.
Did you seriously just say that? You do understand that in a debt based monetary system increasing the amount of cash currently in the market creates enormous inflation? It also can crash entire global markets if Germany was to flood the market with currency. Also the U.S. dollar is the worldwide standard still, so everything is based off how much U.S. dollars are in the market, Germany has little say in this, China has all the U.S debt
@NeutralExistence I understand much better than you ever will. Germany has a lot of say they've 8 x more debt than Estonia who get no say. Look at the difference in number of speeches. Also inflation is not a bad thing when it is done right in fact its a very helpful aid. Also would you rather there be no money? NO. You dont have a clue so go shut up.
That is what most of the You Tube pseudo intellectuals say. Germany is not more powerful then Estonia based off their debt, its based off their economic power in the area, and the fact that they own other nations debt. China is such a global super power nowadays because of there production abilities, and the fact that they are one of the only nations buying debt instead of making it. Germany buys most of the Euro debt, and bails the other countries out.
@NeutralExistence Look I'm not going to argue with someone who doesn't understand basic economics, if I put in anything with facts you wouldn't understand it.
Greece should've never being in the euro so now more than one is being used to pay for it and none of them is Germany little boy.
Come tell me how "not printing enough money" caused this problem again? I would love to see how your logic justifies this after bailouts, and especially after like you have stated Germany is still paying the bills. Money is being printed, its just got no more value.
@NeutralExistence Money is not being printed as Germany forced the EU to take a Bundesbank approach where QE doesn't happen. Germany aren't paying the bills, they're attempting to control countries they have no right to control.
My point isn't pointless, you simply object to being wrong. As soon as Germany started wanting their way they should've being kicked out of the plans but no one has the balls to say no b/c of castrated people like you.
Their rules? Last I checked the Central Banks make the rules. Germany has paid more then its worth into the Euro, and the German people are just as much of a victim as the Greeks. We are all being fucked over via debt enslavement, and the German people are getting turned into slaves a-long with us. Your argument was that we aren't printing enough money, don't try to shift away from your apparent stupidity.
@NeutralExistence Sorry mate stupidity doesn't get you an average of 100% in Economics. Nope not in the euro case. The members each got a certain "task" and Germany forced this onto them and took the ECB and its rules again by diplomatic bullying. The germans done nothing but ruined the euro, you can't deny it. If you deny that, I'd go back to school if I was you. Print enough money and states won't run out of it. Simple as that, it was all a setup idiots like you fell for.
No, but good "oral" skills probably helped you along just fine ;)
The German people like the Greek people are not responsible for this financial situation in the least, of course there is German financiers/bankers etc.. who were involved in creating the Euro scam, and of course they were heavily involved. Once again that is not the point in the least, and I was never arguing against the involvement of certain individuals within Germany in the Euro scam.
@NeutralExistence oh and to add even after making most of the rules Germany broke every single one first which led to others doing the same and thats why we are here in this situation today.
@NeutralExistence and for the printing more money, it would combat what now amounts to one of the biggest monetary thefts in history! Cause that is exactly what Germany done. In the states rich states give to poor states in taxes but that doesn't happen in Europe because Germany didn't want it. Of course they didn't, Germany don't believe in common sense and keeping to fair rules.
Wow Mr. brilliant economist thinks printing more money in a debt based monetary system creates anything but more debt, why am I not surprised at your total lack of logic. Oh you mean "bailing out" the poor states?? Kind of like what is going on now with the Euro.... What has Germany been "bailing out"?? The Greek economy maybe? Germany paid their "tax" more then once if you look at that stats.
@NeutralExistence Okay im not going to reply after this because clearly you are too immature for debating considering you can't understand facts or stop being sarcastic. QE is needed and so is wealth transfer(where the wealthier countries pay the gap for the poorer countries on a non-loan basis through tax, as is done in the USA). A lot of people are suggesting this, it's not only me who wants it. Germany haven't paid there "tax" because they're asking for something they simply can't have.
Thick sarcasm is often the best way to pry apart thick stupidity, unfortunately for me you seem to be extra "stuck. Maybe the other nations shouldn't have signed the agreement if they didn't want to follow the rules. On a note of reality, the entire Euro was an engineered scam to further in-debt the average European citizen, and your idealistic theater performance of "Evil Germany did it all" doesn't quite tell the whole story. Debt + Debt = Debt!! Amazing isn't it.
@NeutralExistence Also Germany broke the rules and thats how they got their money and others didn't get theres. It technically isn't Germany's money. Greece has a completely different economy than the rest, it was like putting a bratty dog in with a scared cat putting germany and greece in the same category. just which is which, thats the question.
Pigs or Piigs has no meaning in german, a an any other combination of the letters (except for giip maybe) would sound very weird pronounced in german.
I do not like to hear the term "PIGS" and I think that those who invented and are using it are doing it to insult these countries. And I do not believe that the debt crisis is all their fault at all.Blame both the politicians and the bankers,but not ordinary people in Greece or Italy.
"pigs states" Portugal, Ireland, Italy & Greece. its a abbreviation. real pigs are banks you can thank them due to financial collapses and taking all your stuff.
@uwed100 It was the ordinary people who put those governments in power. Europe is not like Arabia. Like the fucking stupid Italians who enjoyed having that useless clown Berlusconi in power, for several years, while his government was dragging Italy, and then the EU, down the drain. Was he not appointing his lovers for political posts? Greece: it was the ordinary people who did not bother to pay taxes knowing that their government was going to extract money from the EU and IMF. PIIGS.
What, the swine states are bailing out the pig states? Don't believe Germany economics. It's really "Nazi Economics". Exclude germany and austria from western european countries.
Why to give you THANKS for the money when the money that they take from you the germans are not going to the greek people but are going to the damn BANKS.You say that we are lazy as a people but every1 here that have no political interest is protesting for the unhuman laws.A country so small is in all media and has the power to bring down the whole europe organization are you serius????Try to see the whole picture.Come to greece to see what is happening and stop writing ignorant comments!
I Didnt vote them mate that is the problem.The politicians that are now goverment told lies to the people tha all are good we have money but the orders was from far above them.We are not spread the fear to our people that the turkey maybe invade us.If you leave in greece you will know that every time we have jet dogfights in aegen seas because the turks pilot came in to test us.And above all we have the europe be blinf to that matter and give us more loans to pay more military gear.
If I was German I would be very angry about the comments by Greeks here. They choose to blame the Germans for having a "conspiracy" against Greece while their prime minister is telling them that it is going to dig in their pockets to give the money to Greece. Instead of saying "thanks mate, next time you are in Greece come and visit and I will invite you to taste my special recipe for dolmades"
Sorry but you got also money from the Marshall plan. We used the money to make something out of it and you didn´t. You got plenty of cheap money when you got the €uro and you made nothing out of it. Thats the difference.
Countries in the far east, like Japan, Thailand and others get hit by tsunamis, floods and earthquakes, "they get knocked down but they get up again" (thanks to Chumbawamba for the lyric) and they don't come to the EU and IMF with their begging bowls. What excuse do the PIGS have?
@fredmila I dont know the exxuse of the "PIGS" that you write in capitals and using it with hatred.But as far as i know for Greece the corrupted politician gorvement with the german goverment made the agrrement of "help" before even existed on the table.The debt of greece was a large plan from begining and a the german goverment knew it.There are many fact and truths that support this economical attack.But if you dont have the simple education or knowledge to see what is happening in the world
,to recognize what your media is telling you and what is the lie its not my problem.I just pity of you guys that you cant understand that Greece is a scapegoat.The world economical crisis exist that is the fact but by blaming greece it is not going to end.Stop telling silly arguments and read the damn facts from economical analyst for what is realy happening in greece. Zizanios and celticmadha give you guys many facts that are truth.Where is yours facts german people?Or your facts are in media?
€u money went down the drain for decades but the politicans decided to give you chances into infinity. That´s the insanity. If you got a full-grown child who refuses to work because mommy and daddy love it so much..don t you think it is the worst to give him or her more money. You refused to get into competition because the EU and your foolish politicans pampered you. This is a fact and not your conspiracy theories. We don´t believe the media either who sitll believe in the
Just ask myself why did they help you when faced the fires. All the firefighters from Europe came to your country to extingiuish the fires.Probably we wanted to control you too with our help. Maybe we should have let you deal with the fires and your incompetent management of your government you voted. You are unthankful and ignorant in this regard. But keep on screaming ME, ME, ME and soon nobody will care about your country anymore because everyone will see you as unworthy.
@smokeras123 I do not care to hear denial of the information provided by financial experts, by Greek citizens who come here to make up stories to exculpate themselves. It is because of your deluded attitude that you got in this mess and are dragging the EU down with you. Next in line are Spain and Italy.
We in the UK have accepted our own debt crisis and the government has imposed austerity measures that we do not like but we are not telling the EU to come and resolve our problems.
@fredmila Sorry if you cant understand but i will tell you again.The GREEK people are not agree with these agreements that the EU goverments and our corupted goverment made.This is a game of shadows if your mind can undestand this at least.The greek people is not going to agree with any measures that are giving our country to other nations.We are not UK here the people is rioting because they want to be free and not to be a protectorat of germany.
utopia. They believe in the good that you get yourself together but the northern states of Europe (Finland, the Netherlands, Germany etc.) can´t be the paymasters forever. You had the chances a decade ago and even decades before but you used it to leech off money from other instead of using the money and get ready. The interest go now skyhigh because you are living proof that you won´t get out of it alone.
@fredmila The problem is that we are not making up storys or scenarios.WE are giving FACTS that exist already.If you cant see the facts i say again its not my problem.But dont say arguments that exist in your media only and you didnt search them yourself to see if are true or not.A well educated man can recognize what it is truth and what lie from all the information that he get.We are not here to exculpate we are here to give you the big picture in hope that you will understand all!!
@smokeras123 Do you realise that you are doing what you are being criticised for? You are just spending your time inundating this forum with your messages and trying to drag me down into wasting my time answering your impertinent messages when I am trying to concentrate on my work to make a living.
@fredmila So next time think before you say something and accuse some1.I am being criticised for what ?Giving facts to lies that you and others semi- literate guys think are true??You didnt thought your work when you wrote to us your naive comment?
Germany had also face hard cuts. Less money, more work even the job isn´t a safe harbour anymore and when you got the €uro all the investments went into your country so that we got a higher unemployment rate so we could have said:" Well we stop payments to EU because we need our money now!" We didn´t stop it even if we could have done it easily. So this is control for you????Pensions cut and work till 67 is control for you??You must be kidding and I´m more then pissed when I hear
dead people receive money from your government which is in a broader sense money from the EU because you would already be broke without EU. You receive money from the government which we wouldn´t and purely pay it out of our pockets. And seriously who wants to control a dead broke country like you. What kind of investment is that? You are just alive because mother €U keeps you warm but now you that hard cuts facing you too...you blame the ones who pampered you.
fact is that you believe in conspiracy theories. The German government staged it to control you???Sure, that s why we are at the end of the list if all the PIIG economies default. We would take the complete burden of the mismanagement in your countries. It bought your politicians time when they accepted the Euro as they always did. In the 60-70 you did the same...the politicians bought you with jobs and inflated the bureaucracy so there were no need to start up a strong economy..
@zizanios Greece lived years beyond their means and now they present the rest of the EU the bill.Why am i supposed to show some understanding and pity for Greece?There is no natural disaster like an earthquake,no Greece simply lied to the rest of EU in order to get the € and did many years nothing to get their shit straight while we in Germany as you know because according to your account you live here had numerous reforms with cuts everywhere
@Ahornblatt2000 Read the whole interview of german professor Albrecht Ritschl at magazine “Spiegel” about german debts to Greece.Also you can read the research of paper “Hadelsblatt” that shows how Germany has a “secret” debt of 5 trillion euros.Make your own research dont just eat the propaganda that the media feed you.You will be surprised when you learn the truth for your country.And when you will be in our place(sooner or later) don't ask europe to pitty you....
@celticmadha I know of our debt and i know if the situation were reverse we wouldn't get a fuck from Europe most cartainly nothing from Greece since you haven't much and we don't need your pity either.We already have undergone 2 times a national bankruptcy and we came back on the top.Now you are gonna have a referendum it's a good occassion to do the right thing.I would leave the € get your drachmen back then you have your hands free to act with you currency on your own and nobody can interfere
@Ahornblatt2000 You wouldn't get anything from Europe??How do you think you've recovered from the bankruptcies??By getting money from Europe and by deleting the huge debts that you've had!But that's another story...Now about getting back to drachma...I totally agree and so do many other greek people.I would like to say more to you but I've already said the things I wanted by answering to another user below I don't want to repeat myself.If you want you can have a look.
Everyone pays the interest for their rates. Debt per se is not a problem but if you give a loan to someone who is broke and doesnt got the power. If you want to study? Do you already got the money to keep yourself aflot or do you pay for it later when you got a good paid job. EU gave you money in advance so that you invest it and set the right signals in your economy but you took most of it for consumption or to keep your bureaucracy alive which doesn´t create ANYTHING
@Ahornblatt2000 Oh and don't forget that there are many countries(including germany) that their debts are much more than the greek debt.(You can find out at wikipedia and other sites)So why all of a sudden Greece is the only country that has to pay?What about the ENORMOUS debts of usa,uk,germany,france,netherlands,italy,spain,luxembourg,belgium switzerland,australia,canada,sweden,austria norway denmark....???
@celticmadhatter We pay back our debts back by ourselves we don't ecpect others to do it for us.I'd say that is a big diffrence isn't it?
When did Germany get money from Europe?What a nice joke i really wish it were true.I'd like to know when did Germany delete its debt?I wish it could be done so easily
Btw; Are you going to vote in the next referendum?What do you prefer?Back to drachmen or rather stick with €.What is your freedom worth for you?If i would be asked i'd say give me back my D-Mark
@MrDeutscherKing Auto pou thelete einai na petixete oti den petixate me 2 polemous ipodoulosi ton ellinon auto den tha ginei osous politikous kai an xrimatisete kai oses kolosimfonies kai an kanete me ton papandreou kai opoiodipote allo pou tha poulisei tin ellada.Den dropome gia tpt Ego kai o ellinikos laos pou diadilonei ekso stous dromous den sou zitise ta dika sou lefta oute tin "voithia" sou.KSIPNA LIGO i kivernisi sou de koroidevei mazi me ta MME.An isouna esto kai ligo morfomenos!!!
@MrDeutscherKing Oso gia to xreos auto ena na ksereis ta lefta pou ma dinei i merkel pane se trapeze kai auta einai ta dika sou lefta.Den pane se anaptiksi tis elladas pane piso stis trapezes.Kai mono pou aneferes ton papoulia fenete oti o fasismos sou den efige pote osa xronia kai na perasoune i nootropia tou hitler menei stin germania.Tin voithia sas DEN tin zitisa ego oute o aplos o ellinikos laos oste na mas parete kai ta sovraka.
@MrDeutscherKing nai agorina gia auto oi dikoi sas toso kaloi itane pou kanane ipogies diapragmatefseis oste stin ellada na agorazoume oplika simvolea mono apo germania xoris deithneis diagonismous,to scandalo siemens pou xorigousane ta elinika kommata oi germanoi politikoi sas oste na exoune prosopiko simferon stin xora mas kai dekades alla den ta ksereis?kanonika ena arxidi tha eprepe na parete pou mou les oti mas kanate kai voithia me haircut sto xreos mas.
@wing2912 i know XD but why should we? Its their country, the only thing that screws me up that we are paying for their fucking riots. Every policeman is has to get payed and everything that these idiots destroy has to be repaired from the government but at the moment the Greek government is paying all these things with German money and THATS a scandal!
@Seelenschlitzer This is what GERMANY OWES to GREECE: 108 BILLION EUROS for WAR REPARATIONS proportional to the material damages, atrocities and plundering committed by the German war machine, plus 54 BILLION for repaying the FORCIBLY OBTAINED occupation LOAN, plus 6 MILLION to compensate the victims of GENOCIDE(all of these are WITHOUT the 3% of interest). Plus greek ARCHAEOLOGICAL TREASURES that where STOLEN. In reality what YOU owe us is much more than the Greek "debt"...
Your fuckhole country is broke since the 70ties and you leeched all the money off from the Eu since then.These are billions of billions you sneaked out of our pockets for decades!!!!! Without EU you defaulted many times since you established the modern greece state and you idiots are run by fucked up socialists. Which country needs one million bureaucrats for 11 million ppl? You! Who got the biggest tank-army in the EU. You! Because you scared like rabbits...
you betray your government..your tax system is shit and you got the highest pensions even without working and even a family receives a pension when the original retirement pensioner is already dead!!! Corruption is a sport...the better the worse!!!
You want your archaelogical artifacts back? You weren´t even capable to find them. And how many gold and raw materials and enslaved workforce did you take from the empires you occupied in ancient times????
You even created the word slave and took them as cheap workforce and treated them like animals or even worse. So shut the fuck up! You are unworthy and lazy bitches for decades or almost centuries!!! The modern state greece defaulted several times and the EU was a fine harbour to kick back and relax! You contributed SHIT to the EU. The reparations you might have deserved are manyfold satisfied. You are just spoiled lazy children who think that they can live at their parent´s
@celshad after 40 years of hard work is 1000 euros do you think that this is much?My uncle's pension is 850 euros and the bank wants to take his house because he can't pay the housing loan that he took.My paycheck is 700 euros how am I suppose to have a future and a family with the woman I love with these money?And believe people like me pay all the taxes and now they make me pay more because of the corrupted politicians and the rich people who send all their money in Switzerland
Instead of blaming us you should blame your politcians who kept this going on for decades. Yeah a lot of countries got the same issues - even Germany but we had to face the same facts and make the cuts. Are you that self-centered. We were one of the main contributors in EU and there were even discussions to stop the money gettin out of Germany. It would have been a major relieve but neither of these things did we coz our politicians thought investing/supporting other countries
is important to have a strong EU as a whole. But now you bite the hand which feeds you. We want to control you? Oh man....we could care less about you and spend the money elsewhere and btw our economy is based almost on goods not shares or obligations. So blame USA or UK who gamble with you. We would be more than happy if you got a strong economy and got your shit together on the global market. And yeah every country is in the reds but we are still trustworthy to pay our loans
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lea1769 2 days ago
The nazis didn't let Greece leave euro,because it gave them the oppurtunity to have a german nazi protectorate in south europe.All these finlands, hollands amd austrians are the same kind of nazis as well. The idiot french don't see it at all. The nazis have already one colony (Kroatia) and protectorates in Europe such as Bosnia and Greece.Fuck the nazis. Fuck Germany. Don't let fucking Adolph save the european banks. The third world war is somewhere further up that road.The nazis did it again.
thelostislandboy 5 days ago
@thelostislandboy Congrats! One of the stupidest comments on you tube I have ever read. You are qualified for the ' you tube moron award 2012'. You should see a doctor to get some help!
Cerebralganglion 1 day ago
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@Cerebralganglion if you're the one who rates me as the "moron's winner award", that means I must be really wise. Thank you.
thelostislandboy 20 hours ago
LONG LIVE GERMANY...........DEATH TO SLAVIC COUNTRIES AND GREECE.
TheIllyrianWarrior88 1 week ago
@TheIllyrianWarrior88 lol illyrian warrior, i guess u r albanian. Dead greece means dead albania too.
dimalex8 1 week ago
@dimalex8 YES I AM but sorry to dissapoint you when greece was and still is in DEEP SHIT albania was only of few countries who had growth in europe and still is great track unlike greece. :DDDDDD
TheIllyrianWarrior88 1 week ago
@TheIllyrianWarrior88 dont be sorry. Well it seems you dont live in albania, so you look at the stats and the growth. Tyrana is a beautifull city, but besides tyranna every other place of albania is like 3rd world. Besides, take a look at the amount of money invested by greek companies in albania. The main income of albania last 10 years was the money albanians working in greece sent. So when u say death to greece, u say death to 1 mil albanians living in greece too. Time to grow up man
dimalex8 1 week ago
@TheIllyrianWarrior88 I don't understand,why do you hate Greek people?
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TheIllyrianWarrior88 4 days ago
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@wishen4fishen2 ask greeks why they hate albanians so much and you know why i hate greeks but careful they know to lie pretty nasty same like serbs.
TheIllyrianWarrior88 4 days ago
@TheIllyrianWarrior88 death to Greece? Why? Because we gave you Albanians jobs to live all these years?
jotunblod100 5 days ago
@jotunblod100 You didn't give albanians jobs but you need it their work force for economic growth.
TheIllyrianWarrior88 5 days ago
@TheIllyrianWarrior88 Ηahaha..that's the stupiest thing I have ever heard..How the hell do you think that Greece was moving on until then? Greece never needed people from around the world to come and work here. That's 4sure
jotunblod100 5 days ago
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I warn Germany and I have a fully acknowledge of what I am saying, your policy will destroy the lifes of all European people. We will stay behind from the rest world and suffer for ages, and you will be responsible , people of Europe will not forgive you that! Remember this and help Greece, you are already late and responsible!
ButhThe 1 week ago
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I warn Germany and I have a fully acknowledge of what I am saying, your policy will destroy the lifes of all European people. We will stay behind from the rest world and suffer for ages, and you will be responsible , people of Europe will not forgive you that! Remember this and help Greece, you are already late!
ButhThe 1 week ago
I warn Germany and I have a fully acknowledge of what I am saying, your policy will destroy the lifes of all European people. We will stay behind from the rest world and suffer for ages, and you will be responsible for that, people will not forgive you! Remember this and help Greece
ButhThe 1 week ago
I's not a shame to b Greek! There's no need to hate them for what some good for nothing politicians do.They just do whatever they want behind our backs ! All this pay-back should have started earlier so it would be less hard for everyone.The Greeks weren't aware of their sitation 'til 2009. Who's to blame? Certainly not the people but all the presure is on them!
DemieRosemarie 1 week ago
I am part Greek and all I see is that the Greek politicians are paid for nothing.Two years ago they said that there's still loads of money.It 's certainly not the people's fault if we are in this situation. I think think that all this pay-back should have started earlier. The Germans politicians (not only them) knew what would happen and they let things go this way so that everybody hates Greece and it gets out of eurozone.
DemieRosemarie 1 week ago
you germans really have no idea, have you?
ailouros24 1 week ago
are you people really this fucking stupid?
NO COUNTRY of europe wills urvive long alone.
We are not more then a fucking bunch of small nations who ahve nothign better to do then fight and kill each other. Are really fucking serious it should be like that again.
The Eu is not perfect but its the fucking best way.
And one last thing.Im german i like to beat up every person who comes with ww1 or ww2 dont forget,we had to rebuild our country two FUCKING TIMES
abpire 2 weeks ago
@abpire WOW,I guess you are those germans who have a brain,and know that Europe going this way put together will make only 12% of the worlds GDP in mere 50 years,pathetic......
StellandBlood 1 week ago
No you didn’t ,we build it, including Greece to prevent soviets take the Europe, go study a book because you embarrassing your self with what you are saying, or now I am thinking again , you better not talk about history at all.....
ButhThe 1 week ago
@abpire Sorry I misunderstood you message
ButhThe 1 week ago
@abpire so did the rest of countries u conquered. The sad thing is that the majority of germans think their tax money to help greece go to the greek people, but not even 1 euro goes to greeks, all these money go to the banks. So neither the german people neither the greeks win, in the end the banks win. Wrong policy by merkel got us in this mess. They should be honest from the beginning but instead they tortured greeks and played games for 2 years
dimalex8 1 week ago
I can sit here and write to you for ages, explainging many things but nobody gives a rat's crap. I have nothing against the simple, ordinary German taxpayer. I am sure they are nice ordinary people with their own concerns and problems. I am not hunting ghosts of the past and have nothing personal here. I am just disgusted with the political oligarchy of our days. Worse days will follow, that's for sure. Peace!
lifeistooshortdude 2 weeks ago
In this new financialized warfare, governments are being directed to act as enforcement agents on behalf of the financial conquerors against their own domestic populations. This is not new, to be sure. We have seen this with the IMF several times in the past. When debts cannot be paid or rolled over, foreclosure time arrives. IMF austerity measures were created to fail and worsen the situation.By shrinking the economy, debt deflation helps break the power of labor to resist! How sad is that!
lifeistooshortdude 2 weeks ago
One of the three defining characteristics of a nation-state is the power to create money. A second characteristic is the power to levy taxes. Both of these powers are being transferred out of the hands of democratically elected representatives to the financial sector, as a result of tying the hands of government. Germany, via the ECB, has deprived governments of the power to create money. This in the first place goes against the EEU consitution. But ofcourse who would dare to question it?
lifeistooshortdude 2 weeks ago
Much more striking is the travesty of German history that is being repeated again and again, as if repetition somehow will stop people from remembering what actually happened in the 20th century. To hear ECB officials tell the story, it would be reckless for a central bank to lend to government, because of the danger of hyperinflation. Memories are conjured up of the Weimar inflation in Germany in the 1920s. What a joke, this is the so called implanted memory effect.
lifeistooshortdude 2 weeks ago
the Eurozone has a central bank, but Article 123 of the Lisbon treaty forbids the ECB from doing what central banks were created to do: create the money to finance government budget deficits or roll over their debt falling due. It is so dirty and illegal that any person with basic history knowledge can see how distorted it is. The claim is that if a central bank creates credit, this threatens price stability. Only government spending is deemed to be inflationary, not private credit!!!
lifeistooshortdude 2 weeks ago
However, the ECB which is in fact Germany consisstently DENIES to print out money. when it comes to governments creating money to finance their budget deficits for spending in the rest of the economy, banks would prefer to have this market and its interest return for themselves.
lifeistooshortdude 2 weeks ago
Governments do not need to borrow from commercial bankers or other lenders. Ever since the Bank of England was founded in 1694, central banks have printed money to finance public spending. Bankers also create credit freely – when they make a loan and credit the customer’s account, in exchange for a promissory note bearing interest.
lifeistooshortdude 2 weeks ago
The Greeks that migrated to Germany did so in despair to feed their families in the 50's and 60's. It is cynical from your point of you to use this as an argument as it directly turns back to you as a boomerang. You know the reasons why i am saying that and it is not my wish to start scartching old wounds.
lifeistooshortdude 2 weeks ago
This is the treadmill on which Eurozone social democracies are now being placed. Under the political umbrella of financial emergency, wages and living standards are to be scaled back and political power shifted from elected government to technocrats governing on behalf of large banks and financial institutions. This is most certainly undemocratic, inhumane and is imposed by the German goverment the most. To encourage such as policy within a continent like EU takes us back to dark ages!
lifeistooshortdude 2 weeks ago
The ECB, EU and IMF “troika” say that whatever the wealthy take, steal or evade paying must be made up by the population at large is not a politically neutral position. It comes down hard on the side of wealth that has been unfairly taken.The ideology of EEU technocrats is the same austerity philosophy that the IMF imposed on Third World debtors from the 1960s through the 1980s. Public sectors are in fact confescated to pay a huge debt. This is unfair considering the recent EU history.
lifeistooshortdude 2 weeks ago
Europe has now been tarnsformed from Democracy to Oligarchy. The problem is that Greece lacks the ready money to redeem its debts and pay the interest charges. Germany and the ECB is demanding that it sell off public assets – land, water and sewer systems, ports and other assets in the public domain, and also cut back pensions and other payments to its population. This is trully unprecedented for a European nation and it is most shocking that Germany imposes this policy by forcing IMF to EEU.
lifeistooshortdude 2 weeks ago
It's not just alone Germany slowly losing patience with Greece.Greece has been promised much but delivered little. The action against corruption at all levels, fight against tax evasion etc. One must also say Greeks have cheated, subsidies have been omitted and it was always, lining their own pockets.
ad220588 2 weeks ago
13) The Germans are now holding almost all the cards in this crazy pocker game, and that's their problem: With so many options, they must make hard decisions -- and that does not come easily for postwar Germany. I only hope that all EEU citizens, and mostly the Germans, will soon wake up and realize where are we trully heading to. Do not forget, behind those numbers there are people. And the problem will soon affect you, no matter what. I hope i did not upset you much. Peace!
lifeistooshortdude 2 weeks ago
12) And Germany must not see a return to the anti-German feeling of previous times. In one way, the issue is Greece but the truth is that it now becomes clear that Germans consists the big question mark. How far are they willing to go, and do they fully understand their national interests? Increasingly, this crisis is ceasing to be a Greek or Italian crisis. It is a crisis of the role Germany will play in Europe in the future.
lifeistooshortdude 2 weeks ago
11) Germany must have a free-trade zone in Europe but also demands prudence in borrowing practices. That's fair and understandable as they are the ones that have been profited the most from the EEU, in contrast to most of the other nations. This is absolutely and 100% undoubtful!! I can provide numbers if requested.
lifeistooshortdude 2 weeks ago
10) Undoubtly, Germany has been a so-to-say historic nightmare for most of Europe. By pushing this situation to the end, the outcome will most certainly be explosive. and for sure, it will be the opposite of what Germany needs.
lifeistooshortdude 2 weeks ago
@lifeistooshortdude There is no fear of the Germans. The Greeks are the only ones to play this card. It's not only Germany, the Dutch, Swedes, Norwegians, Finns feel the same about Greece. The political parties in Greece love to play this card in order to attract voters for their political parties. There are no nightmares but they are about 600.000 Greeks living in Germany.
ad220588 2 weeks ago
@ad220588 I do not think that it is up to the simple Greek civilian to play this card.
I do not blame you for telling that cause you are simply, like the majority of fellow Europeans, one more misinformed citizen of this continent. The Greeks are unexcusable for the tax evasion and data manipulation, as i mentioned in my previous post. This should be clear. But the latter is most certainly not the reason behind this fiscal experiment that we are presently experiencing. Let me explain myself.
lifeistooshortdude 2 weeks ago
@lifeistooshortdude I am not a missinformed citizen on that Globe. This Anti-German resentimenst are only used to gain votes for political reason.
ad220588 2 weeks ago
@ad220588 I do not resent the German citizen at all. I never referred to the ordinary German person who I am sure is a nice, fun having guy. I condemn the politics and only these! Peace
lifeistooshortdude 2 weeks ago
9) That crisis is above all humane but also political. More than ever before, sovereign debt issues turn into threats to national independence and sovereignty. If you owe too much money and your creditors distrust you, you lose the right to national-self determination on the most important matters. Germans repeat the same mistakes of their past, just in a different way. I am quite shocked in fact as I thought they learned their lessons. Their actions question that to a huge extent, I am afraid..
lifeistooshortdude 2 weeks ago
@lifeistooshortdude This is a Selfmade crisis cooked by Greeks and their goverment.
The Germans and all other Creditors have already declined to half of its liabilities to the Greeks. It was a debt cut around 50%..In return they demanded that the Greeks pushing for reforms of the taxation and fight against corruption. But there is nothing of the Greeks !
ad220588 2 weeks ago
8) Germans must preserve the European Union so they can enjoy a European free-trade zone, otherwise they are lost alotogether!!. Their dilemma is now huge as they face an inherent tension between preserving the system and imposing discipline. However, Germany has made a huge mistake which it will eventually cost it loads at many levels: it decided to make an example of the Greeks.
lifeistooshortdude 2 weeks ago
7) The financial crisis has already profoundly circumscribed Greek democracy by transferring fundamental elements of Greek sovereignty into the hands of commissioners whose primary interest is the repayment of debt, not Greek national interests. The truth, though, is that behind the number, there are good, innocent, hard working family people who suffer for no reason whatsoever!
lifeistooshortdude 2 weeks ago
5) True austerity within the European Union will soon become disastrous for the German economy, since declines in consumption would have come at the expense of German exports. Make no mistake about it, it will soon touch Germany as well!
6) The constant German demand for suspension of Greek national self-determination is particularly striking, provoking, insulting and says a lot about how undemocratic and inhumane EEU has become! :-(
lifeistooshortdude 2 weeks ago
4) Germans are at the same time WRONG! when they get angry with the Greeks cause Germany encouraged demand for its exports by facilitating irresponsible lending practices across Europe. So they are part of the same HYPOCRICY and selectively choose now to forget about turning a blinded eye to all countries that manipulated their data to enter EEU.
lifeistooshortdude 2 weeks ago
@lifeistooshortdude Greece is the only importer and buyer of German goods. ?! - This is nonsens. there is a buyer and there is a seller and the Seller always have the right to say - no. noone will ever be forced ito buying
ad220588 2 weeks ago
Get the facts straight people.
1) The whole fiscal crisis joke is the biggest set-up of the modern history
2) Fake financial crisis are created with the ultimate purpose of hugely undervaluing a country's infrastructure and then prompting the big sharks to come and take everything for peanuts
3) Germans are CORRECT when they get angry with the Greeks cause their economy and organization was always a mesh and they are now asked to pay money for it
lifeistooshortdude 2 weeks ago
It is ridiculars for EU to bail out Greece in the first place. Greece has owe hundreds of billions when its total assets only worth 30 billions. How does Greece repay the debt?
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Funny. Over half a year later, the tax payers from the strongest eu countries still pay the debts of the greek with no end in sight. Meanwhile the greek start to call the germans nazis for dictating them harsh austerities and the german taxpayers still don't know, why they have to pay for greek debts and get even insulted for it. Still the governments keep their course against the will of their people. You start to wonder why they cramp so hard on this course. Who profits?
CoIdHeat 3 weeks ago
@CoIdHeat neither greek neither germans profit. All these european tax payers money go to the banks. As for greeks you can understand why they feel this way.
EU and IMF came and said u must make these cuts and take these measures or else u will default, we said ok.Next month they came with new measures saying the same thing, this is going on for 2 years. Every month for 2 years greeks are threatened and we got to the point where they want us to sell islands or cancel the elections(democracy?)
dimalex8 1 week ago
@dimalex8 To be honest, i can hardly understand why the greek feel this way. Austerities aren't like a walk in the park, thats for sure and being more or less dictated what to do by other countries neither but i understand, why these countries act this way. They try to protect the investments of their tax payers, as every good politician should. The only real alternative for greece is total bankrupt and i still believe, no one would want that. Btw: Selling islands or cancel elections?
CoIdHeat 6 days ago
@CoIdHeat The dilema is sudden death or slow death. Most greeks prefer greece to bankrupt and start over again.
And yes, european ministers asked the greek parties to cancel the elections, the current prime minister wasnt elected by the people. In the upcoming elections greek leftish parties have over 40% all together and the majority of them want us to declare odious debt and put to trial all the bankers and politicians who stole all that money.
dimalex8 6 days ago
It isnt just austerities, its the feeling that we've been fooled. They came 2 years ago with a plan, a painfull plan for the greeks but we accepted it, the plan failed and the next month they came with other austerities, next month the same. Its kinda funny, they are trying to save us(as they say) but we do not want to be saved, we dont want their "help" let us default for god's sake!!
dimalex8 6 days ago
@dimalex8 I can understand that feeling and the french and german citizens would be happy about that decision as well. The benefit with a "sudden death" would be, that you could drastically devalue your currency. You may start from zero but you rise again faster. I dont understand what the european leaders fear. The rating agencies? They decided to give more money to keep this country barely alive but on the same time, agreed to abate 50% of the lend money. Who really profits?
CoIdHeat 6 days ago
bastards we'll be taking Greece, Argentina and then to see how you'll leave.
nekrothaftis88 3 weeks ago
funny that we don't see this stuff in german media. in german media it's always about "yes we need the euro it brought us peace and prosperity" i say bullshit. give the sovereignty back to the nations and the people. europe is captured by the international banking kartell. poor greece is just the first pawn to fall, the rest will follow, the riots are provoked on purpose, the goal is to establish a european regieme. wake up people please. the eu ist a dictator ship not peace!!!
therealluckystrik3r 1 month ago
That green scroll-line is amazing.
Crazykevin91 1 month ago
Yes we germans have to pay now. But we are one Union. The Europen Union. And we will make it. All together!
mkoebe 1 month ago
@mkoebe That's the spirit! Mr. Optimistic
fredmila 1 month ago
And now the euro will be devalued until it fits the greeks as it seems. How for heavens sake could we possible have ended up somewhere around 1,2$?
BugMagnet 1 month ago
And yesterday the downgraded France ...
Lintflas 1 month ago
@Lintflas which seriously was about time.
BugMagnet 1 month ago
i think the main problems is: the wages. we germans are "working machines" maybe "robots " in some way. and we work for shrinking wages over the last 5 years. thats made the german industry to a competitive GIANT in the world. in combination with the "german efficiency" and "german engineering" low wages subsequently lead into that mess. no other country can compete with this combination of (relatively) low price and very high quality and innovation. the only solution is : minimum wages !
thomas71bluestar 1 month ago
@thomas71bluestar If minimum wages should come they have to be flexible enough to adapt to global economic influences. For example when we are in a recession the wages have to shrink like everything else. otherwise the entire economy collapses like in greece they have minimum wages and look what happened.
But I think the model with minium wages being negotiated between unions and employers on an anual basis is acceptable for both parties.
BugMagnet 1 month ago
@BugMagnet you need strong unions to gain acceptable results. but the unions - even in germany- are in decline. a few weeks ago i heard on german TV Phönix a MoP from the FDP calling for "the responsibility of the unions for their members and the society" ... ohhh what?? they fight the unions wherever they can and blame them for unsuccessful negotiations and shrinking wages? what a crazy world.....
thomasbluestar 1 month ago
@thomasbluestar well the fdp.... we regard them as clowns over here. no one takes them seriously they always say what they are told by whoever donates the most to their party.
After the next general elections they won't even be sitting in parliament anymore.
BugMagnet 1 month ago
rise of the 4th reich? I sure hope not!
hhocar 1 month ago
PIGS need to get out, they shouldn't have been allowed in. Thanks to the bureaucrats of the EU this could happen. EU = fail.
TWSceptic 1 month ago
I'm sorry but did Ireland not vote no to the treaty .Becuse It was known to fail.
DarkShaDowHooD 2 months ago
After the next elections in Germany we will have to pay that´s for sure, our finance minister said that the discussion about the reduced GST (MwSt) which we pay for certain foodstuff will be posponed until after the next elections. We are all in for a big shock, that´s for sure.
ger1ist 2 months ago
We can´t bail out half of Europe without going down the drain ourselves! If you ask me there is no future for Europe the way it is at the moment.There are big cultural differences between the countries in south Europe and North Europe. We can´t expect the Greeks to change their mentality and their way of living. Maybe it´s time to create a north European unity,
ger1ist 2 months ago
@ger1ist I am starting to agree with the idea that we should leave the EU and form a new coalition of northern/progressive countries: UK, Germany, France, the Scandinavian ones that want to join, Holland, Belgium, Ireland (only because they are our little brothers) and the Eastern European ones that show promise. I am getting fed up with the problems that Greece, Spain, Italy and others are causing us. They can form their own coalition of corrupt and lazy buggers.
fredmila 2 months ago 5
@fredmila You are 100% right! We should split into two fractions. The North European union anthe South European union. The way we are going now will make the whole of Europe fail. Standard and Poor´s has already threatened to downgrade us all (including Germany).
ger1ist 2 months ago 6
@ger1ist They haven't theatened to downgrade germany at all
DerHirni 1 month ago
@DerHirni Oh yes they have, read this: Ratings agency threatens EU downgrade ahead of crisis meetings ...
ger1ist 1 month ago
@ger1ist Oh well you're right. But all these american asshole rating firms are just making everything worse by spreading fear for no reason -.-
DerHirni 1 month ago
@DerHirni I agree with you. The American rating agencies just want to make the Euro crisis worse and to accomplish that they have to downgrade countries like Germany even if this is BS.
ger1ist 1 month ago
@ger1ist
The North European union and the South European union,LOL,a polite "go fuck yourself to Southern Europe",ironically,that could be most excellent to Southern Europe,if the right policies were taken afterwards.
StellandBlood 2 weeks ago
@StellandBlood I like the way you said that!
ger1ist 2 weeks ago
shame to all of you! you,dont know nothing about economy listen the media and you leaving a comment!u dont even know what is really happening!thing what cappitalism doing!u think usa is better?owns to china billions!people starving there!we should be one!cappitalism destroying the reall meaning of life!u care more to buy i phone than to be really happy in your lives!i feel sorry for you even if u say we r lazy!my dad works 10 hours and he has 4 kis to feed!he almost gonna get crazy!so unfair.
MsQuince 2 weeks ago
@fredmila
But in that case you wouldn't need a coalition in general would you?
A coalition in which you bail out as soon as some of the members have problems wouldn't make sense since the reason to form a coalition is more or less: So that the members could help eachother as soon as someone has problems.
Of course, the current situatíon is problematic since the whole EU could fail but if you dislike the situation now you shouldn't try the same experiment a second time.
Kill0rbAg 1 week ago
@Kill0rbAg The countries in a coalition need to be honest, in the first place. The PIGS countries got in the EU by lying about their economies. Next time the PIGS will be out.
fredmila 1 week ago
look on all other continents, religious, economic and ethnic violations.
europe got here a chance 2 build a safe house for all included(and new) countries.
its rly important 2 safe the € and stabilize the faintly member.
learn about the errors and make it better, i hope we master this crises for europe.
IchderBarbar 2 months ago
It wasn't us irish or anyone who needed a bailout maybe Greece have being a big problem but not the rest of us. All them german fuckers caused this by not printing enough money we all know the truth you can't hide it forever.
It'd be better off if Germany had no money, they owe a lot of people a lot of money not the other way around.
karldoyle2 3 months ago
@karldoyle2
Cause it by not printing enough money????
Did you seriously just say that? You do understand that in a debt based monetary system increasing the amount of cash currently in the market creates enormous inflation? It also can crash entire global markets if Germany was to flood the market with currency. Also the U.S. dollar is the worldwide standard still, so everything is based off how much U.S. dollars are in the market, Germany has little say in this, China has all the U.S debt
NeutralExistence 2 months ago
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karldoyle2 2 months ago
@NeutralExistence I understand much better than you ever will. Germany has a lot of say they've 8 x more debt than Estonia who get no say. Look at the difference in number of speeches. Also inflation is not a bad thing when it is done right in fact its a very helpful aid. Also would you rather there be no money? NO. You dont have a clue so go shut up.
karldoyle2 2 months ago
@karldoyle2
That is what most of the You Tube pseudo intellectuals say. Germany is not more powerful then Estonia based off their debt, its based off their economic power in the area, and the fact that they own other nations debt. China is such a global super power nowadays because of there production abilities, and the fact that they are one of the only nations buying debt instead of making it. Germany buys most of the Euro debt, and bails the other countries out.
NeutralExistence 2 months ago
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karldoyle2 2 months ago
@NeutralExistence You don't have a clue what you're talking about mate, it clearly shows.
karldoyle2 2 months ago
@karldoyle2
Nice fact-less, base-less response. MATE.
NeutralExistence 2 months ago
@NeutralExistence Look I'm not going to argue with someone who doesn't understand basic economics, if I put in anything with facts you wouldn't understand it.
Greece should've never being in the euro so now more than one is being used to pay for it and none of them is Germany little boy.
karldoyle2 2 months ago
@karldoyle2
Your point, is pointless.
Come tell me how "not printing enough money" caused this problem again? I would love to see how your logic justifies this after bailouts, and especially after like you have stated Germany is still paying the bills. Money is being printed, its just got no more value.
NeutralExistence 2 months ago
@NeutralExistence Money is not being printed as Germany forced the EU to take a Bundesbank approach where QE doesn't happen. Germany aren't paying the bills, they're attempting to control countries they have no right to control.
My point isn't pointless, you simply object to being wrong. As soon as Germany started wanting their way they should've being kicked out of the plans but no one has the balls to say no b/c of castrated people like you.
karldoyle2 2 months ago
@karldoyle2
Their rules? Last I checked the Central Banks make the rules. Germany has paid more then its worth into the Euro, and the German people are just as much of a victim as the Greeks. We are all being fucked over via debt enslavement, and the German people are getting turned into slaves a-long with us. Your argument was that we aren't printing enough money, don't try to shift away from your apparent stupidity.
NeutralExistence 2 months ago
@NeutralExistence Sorry mate stupidity doesn't get you an average of 100% in Economics. Nope not in the euro case. The members each got a certain "task" and Germany forced this onto them and took the ECB and its rules again by diplomatic bullying. The germans done nothing but ruined the euro, you can't deny it. If you deny that, I'd go back to school if I was you. Print enough money and states won't run out of it. Simple as that, it was all a setup idiots like you fell for.
karldoyle2 2 months ago
@karldoyle2
No, but good "oral" skills probably helped you along just fine ;)
The German people like the Greek people are not responsible for this financial situation in the least, of course there is German financiers/bankers etc.. who were involved in creating the Euro scam, and of course they were heavily involved. Once again that is not the point in the least, and I was never arguing against the involvement of certain individuals within Germany in the Euro scam.
NeutralExistence 2 months ago
@NeutralExistence oh and to add even after making most of the rules Germany broke every single one first which led to others doing the same and thats why we are here in this situation today.
karldoyle2 2 months ago
@NeutralExistence and for the printing more money, it would combat what now amounts to one of the biggest monetary thefts in history! Cause that is exactly what Germany done. In the states rich states give to poor states in taxes but that doesn't happen in Europe because Germany didn't want it. Of course they didn't, Germany don't believe in common sense and keeping to fair rules.
karldoyle2 2 months ago
@karldoyle2
Wow Mr. brilliant economist thinks printing more money in a debt based monetary system creates anything but more debt, why am I not surprised at your total lack of logic. Oh you mean "bailing out" the poor states?? Kind of like what is going on now with the Euro.... What has Germany been "bailing out"?? The Greek economy maybe? Germany paid their "tax" more then once if you look at that stats.
"Print more debt to make money"
Aren't you Orwellian.
NeutralExistence 2 months ago
@NeutralExistence Okay im not going to reply after this because clearly you are too immature for debating considering you can't understand facts or stop being sarcastic. QE is needed and so is wealth transfer(where the wealthier countries pay the gap for the poorer countries on a non-loan basis through tax, as is done in the USA). A lot of people are suggesting this, it's not only me who wants it. Germany haven't paid there "tax" because they're asking for something they simply can't have.
karldoyle2 2 months ago
@karldoyle2
Thick sarcasm is often the best way to pry apart thick stupidity, unfortunately for me you seem to be extra "stuck. Maybe the other nations shouldn't have signed the agreement if they didn't want to follow the rules. On a note of reality, the entire Euro was an engineered scam to further in-debt the average European citizen, and your idealistic theater performance of "Evil Germany did it all" doesn't quite tell the whole story. Debt + Debt = Debt!! Amazing isn't it.
NeutralExistence 2 months ago
@NeutralExistence Also Germany broke the rules and thats how they got their money and others didn't get theres. It technically isn't Germany's money. Greece has a completely different economy than the rest, it was like putting a bratty dog in with a scared cat putting germany and greece in the same category. just which is which, thats the question.
karldoyle2 2 months ago
WRONG MEANING OF "PIGS":
He did'n want to insult anyone. PI(I)Gs is a widely used abbreviation for Portugal, Ireland, Italy & Greece.
AskTheGerman 3 months ago
@AskTheGerman
and I forgot:
Pigs or Piigs has no meaning in german, a an any other combination of the letters (except for giip maybe) would sound very weird pronounced in german.
AskTheGerman 3 months ago
I do not like to hear the term "PIGS" and I think that those who invented and are using it are doing it to insult these countries. And I do not believe that the debt crisis is all their fault at all.Blame both the politicians and the bankers,but not ordinary people in Greece or Italy.
uwed100 3 months ago
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altezzadrifter07 3 months ago
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"pigs states" Portugal, Ireland, Italy & Greece. its a abbreviation. real pigs are banks you can thank them due to financial collapses and taking all your stuff.
altezzadrifter07 3 months ago
@uwed100 It was the ordinary people who put those governments in power. Europe is not like Arabia. Like the fucking stupid Italians who enjoyed having that useless clown Berlusconi in power, for several years, while his government was dragging Italy, and then the EU, down the drain. Was he not appointing his lovers for political posts? Greece: it was the ordinary people who did not bother to pay taxes knowing that their government was going to extract money from the EU and IMF. PIIGS.
fredmila 2 months ago
What, the swine states are bailing out the pig states? Don't believe Germany economics. It's really "Nazi Economics". Exclude germany and austria from western european countries.
hurc662000 3 months ago
YYYeeaaa Deustchland!!!
algol291 3 months ago
Why to give you THANKS for the money when the money that they take from you the germans are not going to the greek people but are going to the damn BANKS.You say that we are lazy as a people but every1 here that have no political interest is protesting for the unhuman laws.A country so small is in all media and has the power to bring down the whole europe organization are you serius????Try to see the whole picture.Come to greece to see what is happening and stop writing ignorant comments!
smokeras123 3 months ago
If Greece defaults, consider it bankrupt and split the assets to those that are owed. Fat and lazy is no way to run a country.
fmckadoo 3 months ago
I Didnt vote them mate that is the problem.The politicians that are now goverment told lies to the people tha all are good we have money but the orders was from far above them.We are not spread the fear to our people that the turkey maybe invade us.If you leave in greece you will know that every time we have jet dogfights in aegen seas because the turks pilot came in to test us.And above all we have the europe be blinf to that matter and give us more loans to pay more military gear.
smokeras123 3 months ago
If I was German I would be very angry about the comments by Greeks here. They choose to blame the Germans for having a "conspiracy" against Greece while their prime minister is telling them that it is going to dig in their pockets to give the money to Greece. Instead of saying "thanks mate, next time you are in Greece come and visit and I will invite you to taste my special recipe for dolmades"
Very angry......
fredmila 3 months ago
@fredmila word! that´s exactly how im feeling when i read these comments.
ISilencerI 3 months ago
@zizanios
Sorry but you got also money from the Marshall plan. We used the money to make something out of it and you didn´t. You got plenty of cheap money when you got the €uro and you made nothing out of it. Thats the difference.
celshad 3 months ago
Countries in the far east, like Japan, Thailand and others get hit by tsunamis, floods and earthquakes, "they get knocked down but they get up again" (thanks to Chumbawamba for the lyric) and they don't come to the EU and IMF with their begging bowls. What excuse do the PIGS have?
fredmila 3 months ago
@fredmila I dont know the exxuse of the "PIGS" that you write in capitals and using it with hatred.But as far as i know for Greece the corrupted politician gorvement with the german goverment made the agrrement of "help" before even existed on the table.The debt of greece was a large plan from begining and a the german goverment knew it.There are many fact and truths that support this economical attack.But if you dont have the simple education or knowledge to see what is happening in the world
smokeras123 3 months ago
,to recognize what your media is telling you and what is the lie its not my problem.I just pity of you guys that you cant understand that Greece is a scapegoat.The world economical crisis exist that is the fact but by blaming greece it is not going to end.Stop telling silly arguments and read the damn facts from economical analyst for what is realy happening in greece. Zizanios and celticmadha give you guys many facts that are truth.Where is yours facts german people?Or your facts are in media?
smokeras123 3 months ago
@smokeras123
€u money went down the drain for decades but the politicans decided to give you chances into infinity. That´s the insanity. If you got a full-grown child who refuses to work because mommy and daddy love it so much..don t you think it is the worst to give him or her more money. You refused to get into competition because the EU and your foolish politicans pampered you. This is a fact and not your conspiracy theories. We don´t believe the media either who sitll believe in the
celshad 3 months ago
@smokeras123
Just ask myself why did they help you when faced the fires. All the firefighters from Europe came to your country to extingiuish the fires.Probably we wanted to control you too with our help. Maybe we should have let you deal with the fires and your incompetent management of your government you voted. You are unthankful and ignorant in this regard. But keep on screaming ME, ME, ME and soon nobody will care about your country anymore because everyone will see you as unworthy.
celshad 3 months ago
@smokeras123 I do not care to hear denial of the information provided by financial experts, by Greek citizens who come here to make up stories to exculpate themselves. It is because of your deluded attitude that you got in this mess and are dragging the EU down with you. Next in line are Spain and Italy.
We in the UK have accepted our own debt crisis and the government has imposed austerity measures that we do not like but we are not telling the EU to come and resolve our problems.
fredmila 3 months ago
@fredmila Sorry if you cant understand but i will tell you again.The GREEK people are not agree with these agreements that the EU goverments and our corupted goverment made.This is a game of shadows if your mind can undestand this at least.The greek people is not going to agree with any measures that are giving our country to other nations.We are not UK here the people is rioting because they want to be free and not to be a protectorat of germany.
smokeras123 3 months ago
@smokeras123
utopia. They believe in the good that you get yourself together but the northern states of Europe (Finland, the Netherlands, Germany etc.) can´t be the paymasters forever. You had the chances a decade ago and even decades before but you used it to leech off money from other instead of using the money and get ready. The interest go now skyhigh because you are living proof that you won´t get out of it alone.
celshad 3 months ago
@fredmila The problem is that we are not making up storys or scenarios.WE are giving FACTS that exist already.If you cant see the facts i say again its not my problem.But dont say arguments that exist in your media only and you didnt search them yourself to see if are true or not.A well educated man can recognize what it is truth and what lie from all the information that he get.We are not here to exculpate we are here to give you the big picture in hope that you will understand all!!
smokeras123 3 months ago
@smokeras123 Do you realise that you are doing what you are being criticised for? You are just spending your time inundating this forum with your messages and trying to drag me down into wasting my time answering your impertinent messages when I am trying to concentrate on my work to make a living.
fredmila 3 months ago
@fredmila So next time think before you say something and accuse some1.I am being criticised for what ?Giving facts to lies that you and others semi- literate guys think are true??You didnt thought your work when you wrote to us your naive comment?
smokeras123 3 months ago
@smokeras123
Germany had also face hard cuts. Less money, more work even the job isn´t a safe harbour anymore and when you got the €uro all the investments went into your country so that we got a higher unemployment rate so we could have said:" Well we stop payments to EU because we need our money now!" We didn´t stop it even if we could have done it easily. So this is control for you????Pensions cut and work till 67 is control for you??You must be kidding and I´m more then pissed when I hear
celshad 3 months ago
@smokeras123
dead people receive money from your government which is in a broader sense money from the EU because you would already be broke without EU. You receive money from the government which we wouldn´t and purely pay it out of our pockets. And seriously who wants to control a dead broke country like you. What kind of investment is that? You are just alive because mother €U keeps you warm but now you that hard cuts facing you too...you blame the ones who pampered you.
celshad 3 months ago
@smokeras123
fact is that you believe in conspiracy theories. The German government staged it to control you???Sure, that s why we are at the end of the list if all the PIIG economies default. We would take the complete burden of the mismanagement in your countries. It bought your politicians time when they accepted the Euro as they always did. In the 60-70 you did the same...the politicians bought you with jobs and inflated the bureaucracy so there were no need to start up a strong economy..
celshad 3 months ago
@zizanios Greece lived years beyond their means and now they present the rest of the EU the bill.Why am i supposed to show some understanding and pity for Greece?There is no natural disaster like an earthquake,no Greece simply lied to the rest of EU in order to get the € and did many years nothing to get their shit straight while we in Germany as you know because according to your account you live here had numerous reforms with cuts everywhere
Ahornblatt2000 3 months ago
@Ahornblatt2000 Read the whole interview of german professor Albrecht Ritschl at magazine “Spiegel” about german debts to Greece.Also you can read the research of paper “Hadelsblatt” that shows how Germany has a “secret” debt of 5 trillion euros.Make your own research dont just eat the propaganda that the media feed you.You will be surprised when you learn the truth for your country.And when you will be in our place(sooner or later) don't ask europe to pitty you....
celticmadhatter 3 months ago
@celticmadha I know of our debt and i know if the situation were reverse we wouldn't get a fuck from Europe most cartainly nothing from Greece since you haven't much and we don't need your pity either.We already have undergone 2 times a national bankruptcy and we came back on the top.Now you are gonna have a referendum it's a good occassion to do the right thing.I would leave the € get your drachmen back then you have your hands free to act with you currency on your own and nobody can interfere
Ahornblatt2000 3 months ago
@Ahornblatt2000 You wouldn't get anything from Europe??How do you think you've recovered from the bankruptcies??By getting money from Europe and by deleting the huge debts that you've had!But that's another story...Now about getting back to drachma...I totally agree and so do many other greek people.I would like to say more to you but I've already said the things I wanted by answering to another user below I don't want to repeat myself.If you want you can have a look.
celticmadhatter 3 months ago
@celticmadhatter
Everyone pays the interest for their rates. Debt per se is not a problem but if you give a loan to someone who is broke and doesnt got the power. If you want to study? Do you already got the money to keep yourself aflot or do you pay for it later when you got a good paid job. EU gave you money in advance so that you invest it and set the right signals in your economy but you took most of it for consumption or to keep your bureaucracy alive which doesn´t create ANYTHING
celshad 3 months ago
@Ahornblatt2000 Oh and don't forget that there are many countries(including germany) that their debts are much more than the greek debt.(You can find out at wikipedia and other sites)So why all of a sudden Greece is the only country that has to pay?What about the ENORMOUS debts of usa,uk,germany,france,netherlands,italy,spain,luxembourg,belgium switzerland,australia,canada,sweden,austria norway denmark....???
celticmadhatter 3 months ago
@celticmadhatter We pay back our debts back by ourselves we don't ecpect others to do it for us.I'd say that is a big diffrence isn't it?
When did Germany get money from Europe?What a nice joke i really wish it were true.I'd like to know when did Germany delete its debt?I wish it could be done so easily
Btw; Are you going to vote in the next referendum?What do you prefer?Back to drachmen or rather stick with €.What is your freedom worth for you?If i would be asked i'd say give me back my D-Mark
Ahornblatt2000 3 months ago
@MrDeutscherKing Auto pou thelete einai na petixete oti den petixate me 2 polemous ipodoulosi ton ellinon auto den tha ginei osous politikous kai an xrimatisete kai oses kolosimfonies kai an kanete me ton papandreou kai opoiodipote allo pou tha poulisei tin ellada.Den dropome gia tpt Ego kai o ellinikos laos pou diadilonei ekso stous dromous den sou zitise ta dika sou lefta oute tin "voithia" sou.KSIPNA LIGO i kivernisi sou de koroidevei mazi me ta MME.An isouna esto kai ligo morfomenos!!!
smokeras123 4 months ago
@MrDeutscherKing Oso gia to xreos auto ena na ksereis ta lefta pou ma dinei i merkel pane se trapeze kai auta einai ta dika sou lefta.Den pane se anaptiksi tis elladas pane piso stis trapezes.Kai mono pou aneferes ton papoulia fenete oti o fasismos sou den efige pote osa xronia kai na perasoune i nootropia tou hitler menei stin germania.Tin voithia sas DEN tin zitisa ego oute o aplos o ellinikos laos oste na mas parete kai ta sovraka.
smokeras123 4 months ago
@MrDeutscherKing nai agorina gia auto oi dikoi sas toso kaloi itane pou kanane ipogies diapragmatefseis oste stin ellada na agorazoume oplika simvolea mono apo germania xoris deithneis diagonismous,to scandalo siemens pou xorigousane ta elinika kommata oi germanoi politikoi sas oste na exoune prosopiko simferon stin xora mas kai dekades alla den ta ksereis?kanonika ena arxidi tha eprepe na parete pou mou les oti mas kanate kai voithia me haircut sto xreos mas.
smokeras123 4 months ago
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smokeras123 4 months ago
Germany should send a few panzers to Greece
wing2912 4 months ago
@wing2912 We would but Greece can't pay for them^^
Seelenschlitzer 4 months ago
@Seelenschlitzer I meant to teach them a lesson.
wing2912 4 months ago
@wing2912 i know XD but why should we? Its their country, the only thing that screws me up that we are paying for their fucking riots. Every policeman is has to get payed and everything that these idiots destroy has to be repaired from the government but at the moment the Greek government is paying all these things with German money and THATS a scandal!
Seelenschlitzer 4 months ago
@Seelenschlitzer This is what GERMANY OWES to GREECE: 108 BILLION EUROS for WAR REPARATIONS proportional to the material damages, atrocities and plundering committed by the German war machine, plus 54 BILLION for repaying the FORCIBLY OBTAINED occupation LOAN, plus 6 MILLION to compensate the victims of GENOCIDE(all of these are WITHOUT the 3% of interest). Plus greek ARCHAEOLOGICAL TREASURES that where STOLEN. In reality what YOU owe us is much more than the Greek "debt"...
celticmadhatter 4 months ago
@celticmadhatter @celticmadhatter
Your fuckhole country is broke since the 70ties and you leeched all the money off from the Eu since then.These are billions of billions you sneaked out of our pockets for decades!!!!! Without EU you defaulted many times since you established the modern greece state and you idiots are run by fucked up socialists. Which country needs one million bureaucrats for 11 million ppl? You! Who got the biggest tank-army in the EU. You! Because you scared like rabbits...
celshad 4 months ago
@celticmadhatter
you betray your government..your tax system is shit and you got the highest pensions even without working and even a family receives a pension when the original retirement pensioner is already dead!!! Corruption is a sport...the better the worse!!!
You want your archaelogical artifacts back? You weren´t even capable to find them. And how many gold and raw materials and enslaved workforce did you take from the empires you occupied in ancient times????
celshad 4 months ago
@celticmadhatter
You even created the word slave and took them as cheap workforce and treated them like animals or even worse. So shut the fuck up! You are unworthy and lazy bitches for decades or almost centuries!!! The modern state greece defaulted several times and the EU was a fine harbour to kick back and relax! You contributed SHIT to the EU. The reparations you might have deserved are manyfold satisfied. You are just spoiled lazy children who think that they can live at their parent´s
celshad 4 months ago
@celshad after 40 years of hard work is 1000 euros do you think that this is much?My uncle's pension is 850 euros and the bank wants to take his house because he can't pay the housing loan that he took.My paycheck is 700 euros how am I suppose to have a future and a family with the woman I love with these money?And believe people like me pay all the taxes and now they make me pay more because of the corrupted politicians and the rich people who send all their money in Switzerland
celticmadhatter 4 months ago
@celticmadhatter
Instead of blaming us you should blame your politcians who kept this going on for decades. Yeah a lot of countries got the same issues - even Germany but we had to face the same facts and make the cuts. Are you that self-centered. We were one of the main contributors in EU and there were even discussions to stop the money gettin out of Germany. It would have been a major relieve but neither of these things did we coz our politicians thought investing/supporting other countries
celshad 4 months ago
@celticmadhatter
is important to have a strong EU as a whole. But now you bite the hand which feeds you. We want to control you? Oh man....we could care less about you and spend the money elsewhere and btw our economy is based almost on goods not shares or obligations. So blame USA or UK who gamble with you. We would be more than happy if you got a strong economy and got your shit together on the global market. And yeah every country is in the reds but we are still trustworthy to pay our loans
celshad 4 months ago