Remember that we all agreed that there WERE bombs on or near the WTC in 1993.
As for 911, I am pretty sure those cuts were shaped charges put on by a demolition team. It is pretty suspicious that 3 out of 7 buildings in a complex collapse due to "fire" and yet the leaseholder announced on PBS that they had to "pull it." (Bldg 7) Looks like Osama didn't tell us that there were bombs in the complex this time! (Rolls eyes..)
@cole91v Are you saying that Bill Cooper isn't dead and is promoting himself? Or just that this is a promo video? Isn't it strange how Bill Cooper, Alex Jones and Bill Hicks (who people say is Alex Jones) were/are all down in Texas? (I think Bill Hicks was from Arkansas but spent time in TX.) Isn't it strange how they all sort of look alike? Bill Cooper even has similar intonation in his voice like Alex. Strange.
Its too bad Hicks is dead, because he would be a regular guest on the AJ's show for sure. Could you imagine the counter rants those two would bounce off each other? It would have been great.
RIP Hicks. I think he went to High School outside of Houston, but his family is from Ar-kansas.
And about Texas, it is the state that most of the southern men from the South migrated to after the Civil War. Most white men in the rest of the country are either spineless, or domesticated. Most men from Texas(including hispanic men, and black men) are big, strong, and stand on their hind legs.
Also if you look into how the towers were built, most of the structural strength of the buildings was in the skin, and the building did not use traditional steel i-beams, but used a truss system instead. It's actually very fascinating how those towers were engineered. Truss systems are very susceptible to failure from heat if not properly insulated. Inspection photos show the poor insulation on the trusses. Just one part of a truss heats to the point to weaken the steel, the whole beam fails.
actually, the evidence of angular cuts come from photographs taken at ground zero after the collapse. there really is no way to tell if these cuts were made by steelworkers in the clean-up, because there is no way to tell exactly when those photos were taken. it's entirely possible that those columns were cut that way during the clean up. i don't think one could use those pictures as evidence of anything in a court of law.
I wonder how you Einsteins explain away the angular cuts at the bottom of the columns, of all three buildings, oh wait, no plane hit WT7...hmmm and the three small fires in it made it collapse, that's pretty damned good. IF those buildings (1 and 2) fell from one plane each hitting them, that would make all the engineers, designers, and all the construction personnel directly responsible for all the deaths. I was in those buildings as they were built. They were stout.
Which columns, where? Oh wait that's right, another YouTuber solving the 9/11 "conspiracy". Total bullshit. If you were in the buildings when they were being build, you would know that every section of steel support was in fact bolted to the others. There are literally hundreds of pictures showing bolt failure all in many of the steel sections. Just because you were there in the 1960's-70's doens't mean that the building was perfect. I think that has been proven.
Spiffbear, I will assume you are some sort of expert on steel framed construction, and that you would know that steel deforms at 2000 degrees, and fails completely at around 3200. The highest temperature achieved immediately after impact was around 1800 degrees. Further I will assume that you are far more intelligent than ALL of the engineers, structural and otherwise, that have voiced these same opinions. Additionally, they were the only three buildings in history to fail due to fire.
I never said anything about no plane hitting, I said not a american airpline plane. here is one of many good questions. A lot of people dont think a American Airlines plane hit at the pentagon, people think it could have been a drone plane or missle and when asked the government for the pentagon footage they rufused to release the plane hitting the pentagon footage. But they confiscated other footage (the hotel and gas station across the street).Why not just shut ppl up and release the video?
i never said there WERENT people hearing explosions. i DID say that no-one heard explosions at the time of collapse. this is proven by the fact that these explosions were not caught on ANY footage filmed that day, or reported by FDNY or NYPD, who were mostly CLOSER to the buildings than anyone.
and i already told you there IS footage of the pentagon, and the REASON they dont release them all.
I have seen all the pentagon footage that is out. But they never released any of their other survellance of the plane hitting. Only a frame by frame. None of the footage show a plane though. Why havnt they released a video that clearly shows a plane? If anyone even says a United Airlines plane didnt hit why wouldnt they put the rumors to rest?
ok send a link to this footage. first you said there is footage and then you said they dont release it, which is it? I would bet any amount of money that you cant send a link to a video that clearly shows a plane.
and i answered all the questions that NEED answering to prove that it was IMPOSSIBLE that there were explosives involved, the no-plane bullshit, and all other idiocy.
if you claim these are "bullshit theories", then how can you possibly believe any others? they are the theories that make most sense. you either believe there were explosives, or you dont? i told you why there were no explosives, and how its impossible to keep so many people in on a big secret like this, so whats the problem?
guy your an idiot. I should of stoped this a while ago. I can comment back on your lies. You say not living in the US doesnt matter about 9/11? your ridiculous? you say I was in school when it happened, Ye good job doing the math i was in highschool. i could see maybe like a preschool or a 1st grader not understanding. You think Alex jones is my idol lol you dont listen or I dont even like Alex Jones all I said was he basiclly predicted it, And you make up these theories u think i think
but your theory ignores the people who live in new york. you claim i have less knowledge of 9/11 because i dont live in the US, but you ignore the people of new york, who DO have more knowledge and experience of that horrific day than either of us.
and my math, if your page is correct, is FINE. you were 13 or 14, right? because you are NOW 21. 21-7=14, right? 9/11 was SEVEN years ago. or maybe you dont even remember that? 9/11/01.
that makes no sense first of all. yea i was 14 correct, what does that mean? and I friends and teachers I know very well who were there and I know somebody's dad who died that day. And YES you have been caught lieing, we have already been over this and i can go back and quote your lies but do you really want me to embaress you? I have nothing to lie about and i havnt lied at all. you try and like bring up other unrelated things to help your argument but it takes away from your credability
Alex Jones DID NOT PREDICT 9/11, Bill Cooper predicted 9/11 months before this, AJ is a fuckin fraud, Cooper was on our side, he was a patriot, that's why he is dead, Jones is a disinfo rat, that's why he's still kickin, he fogs the truth
first of all, no..you didnt answer any questions i brought up..you answered sopme bullshit theories that everyone knows is bullshit and I never even asked in the first place..there are witnesses to explosions. i dont get what you dont get about this. and I told you there have been many reports sayin it could have been pulled off with under 150 ppl involved. You think that the whole state of NY would be in on this or something? It was pulled off good in a way but sloppy in another.
I just re-read like 8 pages of or convo..you didnt answer shit..y You answered some obivous 9/11 bullshit theories that every knows is stupid that i didnt even ask you about or mention.. you want me to copy and paste your lies.lol.all i say is facts..your living a fairytail.you probaly think everything you hear is the truth
and do some homework about his hole in the pentagon. its all there, but you dont want to see it. its all about what the structure is made of. the impact was CERTAINLY not consistent with a missile or anything like that. and how do you explain the over 200 witnesses who SAW the plane in washington? all work for the government? i already told you, human psychology shows this to be impossible to keep that many people from coming forward.
i have answered EVERYTHING, but you want people to read this and believe YOU, trying to make me look like i have no facts, when in fact just reading one or two of my responses will show that you are just attacking me to divert the attention from you being proven wrong time and time again. nice try, but people are used to truther tactics such as these, and will just think you a joke for doing the same as the other sheep in the truther cult.
just go wait for the kool aid, it shouldnt be long now
Your an idiot. first of all im not a truther and you have answered everything...lol you havnt answered ANYTHING..the thing you tried and answer I never even asked..read what I said and you will see you never answered anything I said..you just lie, it is pretty strange..so answer this..why wont the release the pentagon tape? why did they confiscate other footage of it? (no plane in the video). why wouldnt Bush or Cheny interview under oath or individually? Pennsylvania, 15ft by 20ft hole?
they DID release pentagon footage. they "conficscated" the others because this is a secure government, military building, and posting hundreds of images of it being attacked, showing areas of imapct that would show the INSIDE of this building would be bad for national security. i knew that before they even released any footage. why WOULD they be interviewed under oath? they did nothing wrong, so why would they? i have answered this, as well as other things you have asked, before.
and why would they set off explosives too early? planting more explosives to be detonated early would just make the rick of being caught out higher, wouldnt it?
and you think a huge airliner can turn away "right before it hit"? they arent that manouverable, you see.
and you STILL claim i havent answered anything, even though i have answered everything you asked, but you dont want to know the truth, you want a fairy tale, dont you?
umm i never said the plane that supposibly hit turned away i said there a plane followoing the thing that hit the pentagon aned it was following it until it hit and pulled off like the airforce pulled away or it was being flown remote. either way the air force supposibly never intercepted. you cant even understand something i write how would you understand the complicity of this story. this is why going baack and forth w. you is pointless. you make shit up and mix stuff up
I have done extensive research, I have told you this many times. This is what you say when you cant answer a question, you resort back to do some research and there all myths. You need to do some research and stop just lieing and blantily making shit up. I have caught you in about 20 lies now. If this is so debunkable then why cant you answer 1/10 of the questions I ask?
you havent asked me any questions, you just say you have caught me lying.diverting attention from you having no facts to back up your bullshit is a typical truther tactic.
the buildings did NOT fall right into their own footprint, or into the basements, as would in CD, so you have just debunked your OWN lies, havent you?
they also didnt fall fast enough to be CD, and this has ben proven too. they fell at almost TWICE free-fall speed, which is impossible if it was CD, right?
When the South tower fell it starting tipping over like it was just about to tip and fall and then the part of the building under the impact came down completly level so the top indeed up not even tipping like it should have, it fell with it all the way down. And I am not a truther, like I said, I just no the story is bullshit like millions of other people. And yea you have lied, You said things about the dead bodies found in the closet that the fireman never said. That is called lying.
the south tower DIDNT start tipping over. the TOP of the tower broke away, because there was not enough support because of wealened steel and impact damage. if it started toppling, NOTHING would have stopped it, but watching the videos you can clearly see it is only the area ABOVE the impact that starts to topple. its not hard to see, but if youre blind to the truth, i suppose you can STILL say i havent answered you, right?
look, if you just want to troll youtube, and not do real resarch, then check out RKOwens4. his channel is full of vids with answers for every single 9/11 myth. and they ARE myths. just have an open mind. if evidence came out that proved it was inside job, i would admit i was wrong, but there is no proof. there IS proof however that it was a bunch of nutty muslims, who want to kill the west, one civilian at a time.
look into islam, also, to find out the mindset of the people responsible
lets say that they DID know the explosion was before the plane hit;
WHY would there be an explosion? you dont set off explosives for a building to fall an hour later you know. they went off by accident? not possible. the explosion heard was the explosion travelling down the elevator shaft, and this has also been proven.
do some real research, and you will find this out.
go to 9/11myths . com or somewhere, and all your doubts CAN be answered if you really want the truth.
more bullshit you make up. wow you are really ridiculous. Juts like you saying " the fat black guy who is out for fame and to make money", the guy who witnessed WTC 7 explosions and was threatend by unidentified people for giving his interviews and he was mysteriously killed after his last interview RIP Berry Jenkins by the way. Yea he is out for money, your an idiot. Basements are blown out in controlled demos to have the building fall into its basement. Rodriguez worked in the WTC for 20 yrs.
if its an open and shut case, as you claim, why has nothing been done?
because every single bullshit theory has been debunked.
give me a theory, and i will link you proof of why it cant be true, and what really happened.
but if you wanted the truth, you would have found this out already, but you dont. you look until you find what you want, rather than what is true. thats not scientific study, thats ignorance. something twoofers are very good at, im sorry to say
I have looked at both sides, you cant debunk it because it isnt possible. I think you are getting what I said and some bogus claims mixed up. ok, send me a site as to why they cant release the video of the plane hitting the pentagon and why they confiscated the hotel and gas stations across the streets footage? Tell me how a plane coming in over 500 mph from the sky can fly under 20 ft paraellel to the ground hitting not even ten feet above the ground without touching the grass and disingrate.
this was because they couldnt see or hear what happened on the 80th-odd floor. this has been admitted by every witness there.
and the big fat black guy has been proven to be a liar, because he also claimed to be the last person out of WTC7, yet he was out long before FDNY finished bringing people out. he is out for fame and fortune, making money from truthers for making appearances at rallies, just like all the other liars and moneymakers.
it has all been disproved, you just dont lsiten is all
this is a perfect example of how you have no idea of what your talking and you making up bullshit. This is the 20th time now I have caught you blantily making things up.
"and the big fat black guy has been proven to be a liar, because he also claimed to be the last person out of WTC7,he is out for fame and fortune" How is being a witness to 9/11 get you famous. and he was threatend for giving his testimony and was mysteriously killed. He is dead now. Fame and fortune. pff u dumbass
Why was there an explosion in the North tower, in the basement moments before the first plane hit? How can a witness who saw expolosions be debunked? Let me ask you, do you know about the explosion in the basement ? do you think this is some made up truther claim? dont avoid this question. and if you know about the explosion, i want to hear a dumbunker excuse for it
one fell at 14 seconds, the other at just under 20, well, 19.-something. how could two identical towers, felled in the exact same way, take two very different times to fall? also not possible. there is answer to the free fall speed nonsense, just like other nonsense i have pointed out
When did I ever bring freefall speed? You see, this is exactly what you do. I list a bunch of sketchy and undebunkable things and then you answer a obvious question I never even asked. Its like what are you even talking about, freefall speed, where did i bring this up? Like I said, I have extensively done my research and you should know I know the freefall speed is not true. I never brought this up and it wouldnt have an effect on myopinion either way.
and there IS footage of the plane hitting the pentagon, as well as witnesses in their hundreds. over 200 people saw the plane in washington, and its not possible to get that many people to lie about something so big, no matter what you say to them, give them, or threaten them with. so, that, AGAIN has answered two claims you have made, yet i suppose you will still claim i havent answered anything you have put. even though you havent tried to refute that it is IMPOSSIBLE that it was CD
There are witnesses who said it didnt look like a passeneger jet to. and another witnesses who said there was a plane following the plane that hit the pentagon and it turned away right before it hit. like it was either remote flight or the airforce had someone following and it turned away. For every incident that day there are witnesses that go both ways and if it was an inside job they would obviously have witnesses saying theys ay whatever they want them to see. You didnt answer anything lol
The ONLY nonsense you have pointed out is obvious nonsense that everyone knows is nonsense. There is alot of disinformation about the 9/11 inside job theory that makes other people who think it is a inside job look stupid by association. You havnt answered 1 question that I have pointed out, you have answered obvious questions that I never even asked. here is one. Why wont they show the video of the Plane hitting the pentagon? if anyone even thought a plane didnt hit why wouldnt they show it?
and if you KNOW they fell at slower than free-fall speed, then you KNOW it wasnt CD, right?
CD would cause them to fall much faster than they did, and they would both fall at the same speed. i assumed that you had the intelligence to know they were inseperable as arguments. you cant claim CD, and then agree that both buildings fell at different rates, thats just ridiculous. but, i know you well enough to know you are great at the ridiculous by now
that is not true at all. Not every demo is free fall speed, some are very close. Every WTC building that fell is not freefall speed but is close and seems like it had little resistance which takes away from the pancaking theory. Which is the offical theory so that makes no sense. WTC came down horizontally level? how does a building with damage on one side have all the collums in the building on all sides give way at the same time. plus witnessed witness a countdown and heard explosions there
how is falling at almost twice free-fall speed "close" to the same speed?
and where did you get the "damage only on one side" nonsense?
no-one witnessed a countdown, thats another truther distortion of garbled radio transmissions caught on camera. its not clear what is being said, but the "truth" movement has distorted the audio and claims it is "clearly a countdown". and also, no-one heard explosions at the time of collapse, which would be ESSENTIAL if CD was the cause.
but they DIDNT do it. many professionals all over the world have disproven every single theory. the loose change movies were discredited the day of release. every single one of them. so what does the maker, mr burmas (failed filmmaker and college dropout), do? he makes a DIFFERENT version of the "truth". that doesnt strike you as odd? every single theory has been put forward from these movies, and has been discredited. burmas has even admitted his movies are bullshit. yet you believe them? WOW!!
when did I believe them? did I bring up Loose Change? is this like another thing your making up because i never said this? and when did Burmas say his videos were bullshit, i cant find that anywhere online? and NO not every theory has been proved, you really need to stop making shit up to help your debate, this is over the 10th lie and im about to stop even debating with you. If 9/11 is so debunkable why cant you answer the things i bring forward? you think every theory ever truther believes
they want to make money, after all. they cant sell DVD's if they show you everything. like the fact that no compound found ONLY in thermite was ever found. steven jones is quick to tell you he find things found elsewhere, but never said until called on it that he DIDNT find the thermite only compounds. he wants your MONEY. and WHY would the government do this? money? joking, right? they have made no money from this. oil? they have no oil from afghanistan, or iraq. so WHY would they do it?
I am pretty sure you mean Alex jones and not steven but anyway you think i like love this guy. Did i ever say that? All I said was he basically predicted 9/11 a couple months before. And on everyone of his dvds it says he gives the rights for anyone to copy and make more for free to give out. and once the thermite is used you cant find thermite, it is burned . Saying no money was made is ridiculous, axpayers money, preconstruction, reconstruction, renovations, military industries etc etc etc...
alex jones was wrong about everything; he said the government were going to carry out an attack and blame it on al qaeda. this is not true, so how did he predict anything? it wasnt difficult to predict an attack, even on WTC, because it had happened before.
the first question i asked when i was looking into al the truther bullshit was "why would they fly planes into the WTC, and then CD them anyway? one or the other would have been enough, and would have left less chance of people finding out
why? because those buildings were meant to withstand the impact of a couple planes. so they needed to make sure the buildings to fall down to hide any evidence like maybe a drone plane or no terrorist dead bodies. If the building didnt fall it couldnt hide this evidence, so they had to make sure the building came down. one or the other wouldnt be good just like i said if the plane flew no evidence would be hidden.
these bodies WERE burnt. THAT would have been the first thing he said if they werent. "what the fuck did these people die of?" would be anyones first response, especially when talking to your heroic cult leaders, like stevfen jones, and alex jones. that would be the FIRST question they would ask, wouldnt it? "could you see what killed those people?" would be my first question, wouldnt it you? if i was trying to blame someone else for their deaths, anyway
he never said your making up your own dialouge...he never said anything about the bodies being burnt and your saying that WOULD be the first thing he said....????? what?????? im done arguing with you, your glib
and now you do another thing that is typical of someone who KNOWS he is wrong; you use something i said, and then, knowing it is true, turn it around, and accuse ME of the same thing.
ie, lying, and being too young to remember.
i VIVIDLY remember the BBC reporting that tower 7 "had fallen, or was about to fall", and the firefighter who had just told them it was going to fall, giving them reason to believe it MAY have happened by the time they reported. this is common when events are unfolding
what, that made no sense. "know he is wrong" wrong about what? wrong about even acknowldging you, you lie to help your arguement and you know you do. I could go back and copy and paste your lies. You never even touch on any of the good points i bring up because there is no way you could possible explain. Why wouldnt Bush and Cheney get interviewed sepretly after 9/11? they would only be itnerviewed together, not underoath, with no cameras or pens and paper. what are they trying to hide?
"me and the lieutenant OPEN THE DOOR and find a body in this closet"
where does it say he opened the CLOSET door?
it doesnt. taking statements to mean what you WANT them to mean doesnt make these theories any less impossible.
its IMPOSSIBLE to get an entire city to lie. its IMPOSSIBLE to drop a building SILENTLY. its IMPOSSIBLE to drop a building this size with thermite, OR thermate. its POSSIBLE that planes hit the WTC and the buildings fell.
actually they have, i saw a presentaion with this guy on stage in front of an audience with pieces from the molten pools they found that had mixtures of sulfer and something else i forget that is consistant with thermate...you thermate is the stronger version of thermite right? you keep saying thermite, most likely thermate would have been used
no, it was iron oxide, and aluminium oxide. i saw the same presentation, by steven jones and his moronic cult leaders, who fail to explain that these compounds are found in many other things.
NO thermite/thermate only compounds have been found, that is common knowledge, and even master jones has had to admit it.
and insults just show how ignorant you are. when an rgument runs out, you just resort to namecalling, to divert attention from being wrong
you called me a moron first...i have never said anything prior to that...your such a hypocrit it is ridiculous and make shit up to help you argument like how you said he didnt say stuffed he said crammed...he didnt say either...how your like it wasnt a closet and so on and son on...after thermite/thermate is burned you can only find compounds because the thermite/thermate is burned...what dont you get
and it needs explaining because people are stupid enough to believe truther bullshit.
why does steven jones claim that iron oxide is PROOF of thermite, when it is present in many other things, certainly in both planes and offices? as well as aluminium oxide is. the compounds that would be there ONLY because of thermite have NEVER been found, ever.
obviousoy there is a lot of truther bullshit...i dont consider myself a truther...i just know its bullshit....the truther bullshit probaly isnt even made by truthers..it is there as disinformation to make the truthers look stupid by association..most truthers dont beolieve half of the shit on the internet..so use your own info and dont believe everything you see
anything even remotely suspicious was being reported for weeks after. and that day was chaos, reports of "explosives" everywhere. even other places in new york, like the school, that the "truth" movement tried to twist to make people think the FDNY were talking about explosives in the towers. cars were reported for being illegally parked, bags abandoned on the street or in buildings were suddenly explosives, and the press were reporting on things as they were happening
I am not saying their are people out there trying to distort the truth, like the school thing i know what your talking about but the reason there is so much dumb things about 9/11 like lasers from space is to try and distort the truth to make the truth people seem stupid by assosiction
there are just too many things that would be impossible. is it impossible that it was planes hijacked by nutters? no, its incredible, but not impossible.
is it possible to place demo without anyone noticing? no, even if they did it while the building was empty, people would have seen them, and the FDNY would have definitely seen them for what they were. is it possisble it was thermite? no, thats never done in a building this size, and NEVER from the top, in either case.
Life is not like in the cable new shows either wobbler, why would big wigs not keep quiete about it? how many people do you think were involved exactly? list them please,
whole world news media had to be, because they at least had to edit the explosions out if it was CD. probably the airline company, because it is claimed that at least 93 was shot down.
most of the city of new york, including the people who died in the buildings, because they walked past all the det cord and explosives, and didnt say anything. same for FDNY and NYPD, including the ones who died that day.
at least ten thousand people would HAVE top be in on it. and what about their families?
the explosives could have been inside the walls, hidden under concrete, but forget all this explosive talk, even if the planes brought the building down, i have to beleive that people in the U.S. government were involved with that. It was not a rouge organization, the highjackers were helped by the saudis and isralies both allies of the u.s. Look more deeply in the the evens before and after 911 comrade,
no, it was IMPOSSIBLE to hide them in the walls, unless they were placed when the buildings were first built. this is not possible, because explosives have a shelf life.
the extent of the US government involvement on 9/11 is that they had intel on an attack that they didnt act on, as they didnt take it seriously. the hijackers were from saudi arabia, but the saudis are only tenous allies at best, right? israel has NO links to 9/11, i have checked.
couple weeks before 9/11 there were 4 12 hr powerdowns where all the pwor was shut down including the security cameras and everything was powered off. it was said throughout the whole building that internet cables and new cables were installed on all floors and after the powerdown people who worked in the building reported dust like concrete dust coming throught the vents. heard loud banging and loud things moving around on empty floors and nothing there when they looked. like hiden in walls
think about freemasons and secret society. do you know the secrecy involved in that. do you know anything about that? there are free mason buildings in every city in every state. i live in boston all around boston even in the middle of boston in public places there are masonic clubhouses that you couldnt get into if you tried. only buildings i have ever seen with blocks over every single window. secrecy is somethin they can do. older people are from different eras. secrets aint shiit
where are you getting ten thousand? im curious. like I said there are numerous reports saying it could have been pulled off by under 150 people. you cant just make up ten thousand ppl were on it. and yes there is secret society's look it up. illuminati and freemasons look them up. and there from all ages from about 20yrs old and up yes. are you saying there isnt any secret socities?? it isnt like a secret place where people live, it is like a a grown man fraterinty
common sense tells you that the whole world news press had to be in on it, as did the FDNY. not counting that some people claim the plane passengers are still alive, and no planes were used, and take their families as well, you could go into hundreds of thousands.
less than 150 to pull it off is not the same as 150 with inside knowledge, is it?
whole world press, must go into at least 1000, FDNY and NYPD the same, plus your 150.
wh? you never explain nor do you even reply to the good points i make, everything you say is opinion. watch 9/11 coincidences part nine it explains the power downs. whole world press lol where do you get all this from. why would they be in on it, the miltary aircraft flyers wernt in on it thats why norad was running fake drills that morning to put fake blips all over the radar and to scramble jets in the wrong part of the us so they couldnt react
and yes when people have a lot of things to gain from keeping a secret and pulling this off they wont open their mouths. ecspecially if someone had pre-knowledge of 9/11 its not something you would go around telling people, anyone who did that would go to jail. look at Larry Silverstein, the leaseholder, made a 15 million investment and from the insurance of 9/11 made 8 billion. there are ppl who were injured in the wtc from explosions going off, witnesses in otherwords
then you have to say that at least haolf of those people would tell their close family members. if some kind of secret society was involved, as you claim, then every member would have inside knowledge, and so would some of their family members, cos people are not able to keep secrets.
it wont let me copy and paste the link for some odd reason, so look this up on youtube...9/11 coincidences part nine....watch the whole video and then reply what you think..i want to hear your explanation..do you know that wtc had 4 12 hr power downs the weekend before 9/11...and practice evacuation which people who had been working there for years have never experienced but the weekend before this was all happeneing. have you looked into 9/11 at all
look at how many people came forward over the JFK assasination, within one year; most of them, at least at low level, yet we have something much bigger here, and not one person has come forward, even if it was less than 150 (impossible), at least 3/4 of them would HAVE to speak to someone about it. human behaviour dictates this. tell people a big secret. people you trust. tell them they are the only ones who know, and see how long it takes them to tell each other all about it
no one knows to this day who and how JFK was murdered. what are you talking about, people came forward who were their in the grassy knowle thats about it. his murder is still a mystery. but thats a good example, see how secrative that was. you think people cant keep secret, if someone is fear of their life they will. it is probaly the people you hang out with, i have a lot of friends who keep a lot of secrets and i know i have some plus if i was paid believe me i wouldnt talk
his murder is a mystery because it never made it to court. i wonder why? but they dozens of people who were sworn to secrecy but still came forward, even though threatened with death.
and the press HAD to be in on it, because they edited the sound of explosives, as the people who were there seem to have FORGOTTEN they heard them, even at the time.
you cant drop a building without a massive round of explosions as each building falls. a few isolated explosions are normal in an office fire
that is what everyine tried to argue but if you actually watch demoltion experts talk about 9/11 there are many different demolition experts who say they can cantrol basically every single aspect of a demoltion, including sound! they can have loud or completely quiet. how? not every single controlled demoltion is the same and that is one thing a lot of people get confused. Thermite and thermate can slice through steel like a knife through butter. completely quietly
and CD is NEVER quiet. i dont know wh told you that, but its an outright lie, and any REAL CD expert will say so.
so what youre saying is that two of the tallest buildings in the world are brought down in a way that is completely silent? not one explosion caught in any footage? either visually or audibly? and no witnesses heard anything that could have been CD. hearing "something that sounded like an explosion" is nothing like CD.
check it out, there has never been a silent building drop, ever
Your wrong, one word, thermite, i watched about 5 different videos with real demolition experts saying they can control any aspect of the demolition, for instance where it falls, how it falls, how it crumbles, they loudness of the bombs. etc..thermite and themate is a substance that can cut right through steel and if it is applied to the steel collums in a downward angle it will slide and the thermite cuts it in half it will slide right off, liek a ball rolling downhill.
thermite is NOT used in CD of this size. never, because its not stable enough.
those columns that were cut to an angle were cut in the days and weeks following, as they were still standing up to 150ft high. which is further proof that CD was not used, as they would HAVE to be cut to guarantee a straight fall. charges would have to be placed on EVERY column for the first 30 floors, and people would have seen them, including the people who died that day, and the FD and PD who went in
That is an excuse people say about the collums being cut, that they were cut days after but experts have looked at the numerous cut collums that were there on the first days on ground zero and there was dried melted steel dripping down the side of each collum exactly similar tot hermite. If they were going to cut the collums after the building fell, why would the cut every one in a downward diagnol way exactly similar to how a Controlled demolition would leave a collum?
what you just said goes to show you have no idea what your talking. the 30 floors? No controlled demoltion has ever taken a building of this size down. AND PEOPLE DID SEE THEM!!!!! there are witnesses who witnessed explosions and were hurt by explosions and its not jsut 1 or 2 in a video its hundreds and hundreds of people who witnessed them and were hurt by them.The basement had a big explosion go off that took out the whole basement and destroyed the lobby. basements are blown first in demos.
people saw and heard explosions because there are commonly explosions in home and office fires. when you add loads of plane debris, and massive damage, you would hear many things that sounded like explosions also.
and the explosions in the basement were from the elevator shafts, FDNY personnel admit this, and say it is common, because that the only way for the flame to go.
People reported explosions in the basement which wernt from the elavotr shaft which may have gone down the elavtor shaft but it didnt blow out the whole lobby and didnt blow up the whole basement. The people who witnessed explosions and were hurt from actual explosions. I can show you video of these witnesses just let me know
everyone who doesnt research thinks all demoltions only go on way, chich is bomsb blowing it to hell. and on top of it, THERE WAS WITNESSES WHO WITNESSED EXPLOSIONS AND WHO WERE HURT BY EXPLOSIONS!!! THERE WERE WITNESSES WHO SAY EXPLOSIONS!!! EVEN NEWS REPORTED TALKED ABOUT SECONDARY EXPLOSIONS AND BOMBS IN TRUCKS IN THE BASEMENT. there was a bomb that went off in the basement, in every controlled demo that blow out the basement first because the ideal CT falls right into its own basement.
if people were close enough to be hurt by demo charges, they would have been crushed.
these people were hurt by explosions much earlier than the towers actually fell. what, you think the explosives go off, and then the building falls half hour later?
and im not talking about people like alex jones, the cult leader, im talking about people who were involved. CD team, FDNY, NYPD, world news media, entire city of new york, government staff and politicians, flight crew, passengers and families.
im sure a lot of people were killed from the explosions but some people lived through it. A fireman in that video i told you to watch says he had other friends close to the basement explosion that killed a few of them and another one needed reconstructive surgery on his face.
these people were injured long before the buildings fell, not at the time of explosion.
and CD experts have worked out that they would HAVE to have placed charges on the first 30 floors to ensure collapse. and thats from the BOTTOM remember, unlike the towers, which fell from the impact area down. thats plain to see from every angle
i have never heard that 30 floor theory, where did you get that from? but even still your getting besides the point, numerous people reported explsion in the basement right before second plane hit and another in the lobby of the other tower. the point is, there are witnesses who were hospitalized from secondary explosions not from the plane. simple and plain
there were explosions travelling down the elevator shafts. this is common when there is a large fire in a highrise. FDNY were NOT surprised by this.
as for 30 floors of charges; how do you THINK they bring them down? also, the charges would have to in view. even if people going to work that day didnt recognise them fr what they were, FDNY would. and they WERE looking for secondary devices.
there were people hurt and sent to the hospital before the impact and before it fell!!!! fireman say expplosions and dead vbodies stuffed in closets! fireman, nypd,first responders, workers citizensetc witnessed explosions, not loud bangs but explosions inside and outside the building..why would all these ppl just make this up? I know ppl who were there who say a lot of sketchy shit
why would they report explosions OUTSIDE the towers? because there were explosions going off all day. cars outside, explosions in the higher floors that came down the elevator shafts, which FDNY verify when talking about these people burned and injured on the ground floor.
but you still claim the explosions went off, then the buildings fell some time later?
thats impossible. just as its impossible that you can set of charges silently. the footage would pick up that noise for miles around
your not reading what i say...i never said explosions outside and yes fireman say explosions as in bombs not from the airplane..and yes a bomb is not quiet...i never said that..i said thermite is quiet and yes it basiclly is..you couldn t hear thermite cut a steel collum in half from outside the building. there is footage that picked up the noise, if you want i can send you some links, look up wtc explosions with sound. numerous fireman and workrs reprorted explosions going off in the basement.
one fireman said when he was explosions going off on different levels like above him and below him and inside he found 2 dead bodies stuffed in a closet..then he was like thats when he knew something wrong was going on and he got out of the building then it fell sometime later..why were there dead bodies in closets? you think the people were hiding in the closets for some reason and killed themselves?maybe they saw something they shouldnt have like a lot of other witnesses who mysteriously died
NO fireman said people were "stuffed" in a closet. he said "crammed" into a closet, and he also said the force of the explosion coming out of the elevator shaft had thrown them so hard it had forced them in there. if you watched things from anywhere other than your beloved "truth" sources, you would hear FULL interviews. you would also find that thermite CANT be used to drop buildings this size. and why were the columns till standing AFTER collapse if they were cut at base? not POSSIBLE
No he didnt say that...he aid after he say the bodys in the closet,thats when he kenw something wasnt right...and how can an explosion force two people dead into a closet and shut the door? i think you need to watch the full interview. the collums wernt stand, atleast not a good proportion, maybe like 1/20th of the size of them collums were bu the collums were standing after the building initally fell and then you see lights flash and they fell. i can send video link
there is footage of columns standing over 100ft tall, being cut up to one week AFTER the collaps by a cleanup crew. thats why they were cut at an angle, and why they had yellow scorch marks on them. they didnt fall right after collapse, and even if they had (they didnt), that would be further proof of NO explosives, moron, because these columns have to be cut FIRST, to ensure collapse is straight down and from the bottom. wtc did NOT fall from the bottom
this shows the columns and frame being cut AFTER collapse. LONG after collapse, and it even shows one of the engineers talking about cutting them at the time.
funny thing about this video is it says the collums were high up and thats why that one was cut at an angle yet where it is cut is maybe 4 or 5 from where person could atand. also, the other collums cut were not even close to the same angle as the one in that picture. Sure, obviously they had to cut shit to take it down after the collapse to clean it up. but a lot of collums were already like that prior to clean up. why would someone need to explain if the 9/11 truth theory is so ridiculous?
he never said that that the force of the explosion forcved them in their...wow...no i know your just bullshitting...he said he opened the door and found dead bodys in the closet and thats when he nothing something wasnt right here...thats exactly what he said...your making shit up now...im about to stoip even responding to you altogether because this is like the 10th time i have said this to you...making other stuff up like it would take thousands of people
This is what he said word for word , " all of the sudden were looking for another stairwell, me and the lieutenant OPEN THE DOOR and find a body in this closet. We're like what the heck is that? where did this come from? holy shit,
whats going on here? somethings crazy." and then he starts talking about a matnience guy after that. look at all that shit you made up!!! you just lie to try and help your arguement, never said CRAMMED or FORCE of anything. if i watched things? i do!! you lie, moron
open the door? you seriously think he meant the CLOSET door?
he meant the door to the room, you moron. why the fuck would they be wasting time opening clsoet doors in an evac op?
and so youre saying that because the columns were cut at slightly different angles, it HAD to be thermite? even though thermite would be MORE clinical than someone cutting them by hand, and that thermite has never, will never be, used for a drop of this size, as its too unstable.
yes he said the closet you dumb ass...you forgot to mention the fact that you made up all this stuff he said and flat out lied to help your argument...
i dont live in the US. thats why i take the word of the polulation of new york, over someone trying to sell DVD's, because they were THERE. where were you?
do you even remember how bad that day was? NO, because youre too young. the only people old enough to actually remember that day are the ones who are making money from selling YOU these lies and half-truths
"do you even remember how bad that day was? NO, because youre too young." Are you fucking serious? you dont even live in America? Of corse i remember how bad that day was, I was in highschool in 2001and I live in Boston, where tghey flew out of. Your basiclly saying your not even old enough to remember that day lol why am i even arguing with you. I know people who were there, I know people who witnessed the second plane hit and saw a lot of sketchy shit. and you dont even remember that day.
i had been left school for 12 years in 01. you were a CHILD, and had no understanding of what was happening.
no-one said they heard BOMBS. they said they heard EXPLOSIONS. there is a big difference you know. explosions, for instance, are common in house and office fires, even without planes being flown into the building first and causing damage, and ruptures to power and water lines. a water line can EXPLODE under pressure. think about it.
this is true. but here is another LIE that you create, "no-one said they heard bombs" in fact they did and explosions can still be charges being set off aswell. I was just a child?? i was 15 years old. I knew exactly what was going on and still do. I think it is you who doesnt know whats going on. Your niave and you think this is "my little conspiracy" but infact more people would agree with me than with you. i have brought up many things you dismiss and cant explain. the offical stoy is a CT.
What are you like 16-18 and you dont even live in America. and maybe you havnt heard the witnesses in NY who witnessed bombs, were injured from bombs, saw the FBI scouring the area and taking witnesses away, planes with no windows, building 7 explosions and falling completely level and the aftermath. listen little kid, you dont even remember that day, you dont live in America, you lie to help your argument and you dont know what your talking about. Im wasting my time even talking to you.
when did i "basically" say i was not old enough to remember that day? i VIVIDLY remember that day. i VIVIDLY remember the sacrifice those people made, and the heroic FDNY and NYPD personnel. youre crazy theories would put them on the INSIDE of the conspiracy. it would HAVE TO, because they went into the buildings, and would HAVE to have seen the demo if there were explosives there for CD. not possible to hide them, because they would have to be placed EXACTLY!!
why would it have to put them in the conspiracy. In actuality it would not at all. Why would they need to know, that makes no sense. In fact if they did know i dodnt think any FDNY would go into the building period and would not seem normal. And in fact many FDNY and NYPD and Citizens and workers were witness to numerous explosions for the 100th time. I dont know why you keep dismissing this FACT that people witnessed explosions
the FDNY went into the towers, right? so they are in on it, as are the survivors, and the people who died in there, because they MUST have seen the explosives. any CD expert who knows anything wil tell you the same.
and why would they interview bush and cheney under oath, seperately? the only thing they did wrong was not take the warnings from french and german intelligence seriously.
these are FACTS. please copy and paste my "lies", and i will prove them AGAIN
that makes no sense, why would anyone go into abuilding knowing it had explosives in it? you know there was an explosion in the basement? do you know this? not the elevator fire comeing out but the basement. No one said Bush or Cheney did anything wrong but what is the big deal to interview them sepretely instead of together and the bigger question is why wont the be interviewed sepretely? It is just really sketchy.
"why would anyone go into abuilding knowing it had explosives in it?"
thats EXACTLY why it is impossible that there were explosives there, you moron.
if there WERE, they would have to be in plain view, and FDNY would have pulled out, regardless of people being in there. MAYBE the people going to work wouldnt have recognised them for what they were, but FD WOULD.
also, why would people be jumping from the towers, if there wasnt massive fires and damage up there? dont say they didnt jump
your an idiot...you said the FDNY would have to be in on it...and i said no they wouldnt...and i said if they were why the fuck would the go into a building knowing there was explosives is it...and no they wouldnt have to be in plain view..they could bedrileld in collums, behind walls etc etc...and you know it is a fact that the basement blew out right? so you know there were atleasts an explosion in the basement? not the lobby's eleavtor but the basement. are you aware of this yes or no?
they cant bury explosives in the columns. its not possible. unlike you i have done some research on CD, and any CD expert worth his salt will tell you the same. just the same as they will tell you that it is an outright LIE to claim that "pull" is a term used to demo a building. it is used to physically PULL a building down, with lines, like they did with other buildings that day. "pull" is a term used to "pull" fdny from an evac/rescue operation. like when a building is too dangerous
I have done extensive extensive research myself, that can do numerous different things. One of which is drill it into a cement collum, and yes they can. The word pull, is used to pull the rest of the building down that didnt fall. Silverstein even said that building 7 hadnt fallen yet before he said pull, so what was he referring to? This pull thing doesnt effect my opinion either way, it is just coincidence. you can barely explain 1/100 of the points I bring up.
and it is NOT POSSIBLE to drill explosives into concrete. they cant do that, because it then pushes the force of the explosion in the wrong way.
i have quotes from CD experts, asked if this was possible to be CD "maybe in a hollywood movie. maybe something with bruce willis".
and it is NOT POSSIBLE to drop a building from the TOP, or near the top. its obvious the collapse begins at the impact point, and that is something that CD NEVER DOES. the bottom of the towers never moves
I dont know how your going to prove this lie because he never said this but here.
"NO fireman said people were "stuffed" in a closet. he said "crammed" into a closet, and he also said the force of the explosion coming out of the elevator shaft had thrown them so hard it had forced them in there." and you say closet and then you say he didnt even say closet, its like whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? listen to what you say
and i obviously didnt mean he said that word for word, but basically you are taking statements, and filling in blanks that arent there. stuffed or crammed, that DOESNT mean someone burned these bodies (they were horribly burnt, right), then placed them in a closet, while other bodies were all around them?
THAT makes no sense.
just like CD of a building from the 80th floor, which isnt possible.
No he didnt say anything about those bodies being burned. All he said was he opened a closet a found dead bodies in there and then he was like whats going on here, something isnt right. Like somebody put those bodies in the closet and mayhave killed them, probaly for seeing something they shouldnt have seen.
"Like somebody put those bodies in the closet and mayhave killed them, probaly for seeing something they shouldnt have seen. "
this is what you surmised? from him saying "this isnt right"?
most firefighters said that on 9/11. to have been there, and seen people jumping to their deaths, and burned bodies from the explosions coming down the elevator shafts, i would have said the same.
"this isnt right", does not mean "these people were PLACED here by someone, who must have killed them"
Obviously he didnt say someone killed him for seeing something they wernt supposed to see, I never said he said that. I dont make thing up he says like you. I was just giving a possible scenerio. The fact is though wobblr, that this fireman opened a closet and found dead bodies in the closet. what or how they got in there we dont know but it is very very strange and a fire wont kill people and put them in the closet and shut the door.
here is what he said "we are like, what the hell is this shit. something crazy is going on".
yes, i would SAY something crazy is going on. i see there is no mention of the fact that he didnt find it unbelievable to find bodies strewn around in strange places?
i wonder why? because there were bodies everywhere, maybe?
how about alex jones' PROMISE to kill tens of thousands of people when he "takes over"? some nice guy, mr jones, aint he?
What do you think " what the hell is this shit, something crazy is going on" means? I dont give a fuck about Alex Jones, All i said about Alex Jones he is he basiclly predicted 9/11 even mentions Bin Laden as a sacape goat and then 9/11 happened. that is a fact? Your an idiot, you make shit up and say you predicted 9/11 and make up things people say. Your pointless to argue with, dont even repsond anymore...your ridiculous, you resort to lies it is pretty strange
of course he mentioned bin laden. and of course he predicted an attack, bin laen had ALREADY attacked the WTC, and promised to do it again.
and you didnt say he said they were killed for seeing something, you said that was what he implied. "like" they were killed for seeing something they shouldnt, is what you said. and you question me for asking why he didnt ask the obvious questions?
how do you know he DIDNT ask the obvious questions, but your heroes didnt just edit them out?
You think im some truther, im not, I have said this to you before i just know its bullshit. I told you "seeing something they shouldnt have" is a scenerio. I never directly said he said that like you did numerous times. How do I know they didnt edit it? Because when he was talking they bodies in the closet was just a part of his story that day and he finished talking about it and then moved on to the next subject, you can see the hwole interview on youtube so it isnt possible.
i never said you DID say he said that. i said that from what he DID say, you took it to mean that they were killed for seeing something they shouldnt have. and i am talking about "professor" steven jones, the guy who said he had "evidence" of thermite being present. thats where all that bullshit started. look him up. he is good for a laugh, like thinking this prick predicted 9/11, when all he did was say there would be an attack carried ouot by our government, and blamed on al quaeda.
al quaeda was paritally blammed. anyway, if you watch this video, all i said from the start is he predicted this like 2 months prior and he did. that is a fact so i dont know what your arguing. you can watch the video and hear it for your self.
if you believe the lies that 9/11 was carried out by the government, then he predicted an attack. all this proves is that he read a PUBLIC document that proves the government REJECTED a vaguely similar plan some 40 years before. the fact that the government DID NOT carry out 9/11 shows that he predicted nothing.
ALL CT's come from loose change, and steven jones. and they have ALL been debunked, many times, by many different people. when you have a theory, you are supposed to look at all sides
Ok, like I said numerous times, If 9/11 is so debunkable, than why cant you dubunk half of the points i bring up? And I know and have seen a lot of 9/11 CTs that came up with the conclusion on their own.
you mentioned a firefighter, and you ASSUMED he meant something that he didnt say. thats all.
aluminium cant smash through steel? i just broke a steel bar outside with a peice of aluminium, so it can im afraid?
thermite is NEVER used, and cant be used, for towers this size. explosives cant be made to drop a building from drill holes in concrete, they have to be placed exactly. explosives cant be silent.
these are common sense, i dont have to disprove them
I never assumed anything or put words in his mouth like you did, I gave a possible scenrio. When did I say aluminium and smashing steel? and oh yea you juust broke a steel bar outside with a piece of alluminum lol just liek you predicted 9/11.LOL thermite is used and can be used. How would you know what would be used to drop towers this size are you a demoltion expert, I heard multiple demo experts give possible scenerios, And no shit the explosives have to be placed exactly.
i never claimed to have predicted 9/11. i just said that there would be an attack, long before it happened. thats not rocket science, muslims are deranged, and want to kill us all.
i know what would be used to drop the towers because i researched it, thats how.
and how can someone in the basement know that an explosion took place BEFORE the plane hit? they wouldnt know the plane had hit. many people in the basement levels saw the firebomb come down the elevator shaft, but didnt know why.
your the fucking moron..i quoted him earlier prooving your dumb ass wrong..he said he was basiclly lost in the building trying to find an exit and he opened a door and it was a closet and he found two bodies in there and was like what the heck is this something is wrong here...basiclly exactly what happened...no your just denying shit..its funny how you call me a moron when your the one who is wrong..you dumb fucking stupid lil biitch moron faaggot
" all of the sudden were looking for another stairwell"
thats NOT looking for an EXIT, lost. and no-one, especially firefighters, mistake a closet with a stairwell, its fairly easy, as stairwells are signposted, arent they?
you just hate the government, and want to blame them for everything.
you are too narrowminded to understand that anything other than greed can be a motive for something.
youre so ignorant of this, you convince yourself its possible to get an entire city to lie about it
your an idiot..here is the quote again...word for word.... "all of the sudden were looking for another stairwell, me and the lieutenant OPEN THE DOOR and find a body in this closet"...a CLOSET...
Do some research you will see about all the people who witnessed explosions, who saw explosions and who talk about the explosions in the buildings. and you never replied back about the video. you only reply back rarely about the good points I bring fourth.
and i have never seen anything about people who were in on the JFK assasination comming forward. I have seen witnesses who were threatend and still came forward. witnesses who were at there when the car was passing and saw a ot of stuff who were threatend and still came forward about hearing and seeing more shots than reported but people who were in on the JFK assasination comming forward, i have never seen this. can you show me an article or video????????? never seen this at all
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Remember that we all agreed that there WERE bombs on or near the WTC in 1993.
As for 911, I am pretty sure those cuts were shaped charges put on by a demolition team. It is pretty suspicious that 3 out of 7 buildings in a complex collapse due to "fire" and yet the leaseholder announced on PBS that they had to "pull it." (Bldg 7) Looks like Osama didn't tell us that there were bombs in the complex this time! (Rolls eyes..)
artvandelay0 1 year ago
So this is a Cooper promo video using Alex Jones Name? Who is fraudulent now.
cole91v 2 years ago
@cole91v Are you saying that Bill Cooper isn't dead and is promoting himself? Or just that this is a promo video? Isn't it strange how Bill Cooper, Alex Jones and Bill Hicks (who people say is Alex Jones) were/are all down in Texas? (I think Bill Hicks was from Arkansas but spent time in TX.) Isn't it strange how they all sort of look alike? Bill Cooper even has similar intonation in his voice like Alex. Strange.
xander7ful 1 year ago
@xander7ful
No, thats not what I am saying.
Its too bad Hicks is dead, because he would be a regular guest on the AJ's show for sure. Could you imagine the counter rants those two would bounce off each other? It would have been great.
RIP Hicks. I think he went to High School outside of Houston, but his family is from Ar-kansas.
cole91v 1 year ago
@cole91v Bill Hicks IS Alex Jones
TheNykademos 2 months ago
@xander7ful
And about Texas, it is the state that most of the southern men from the South migrated to after the Civil War. Most white men in the rest of the country are either spineless, or domesticated. Most men from Texas(including hispanic men, and black men) are big, strong, and stand on their hind legs.
cole91v 1 year ago
Also if you look into how the towers were built, most of the structural strength of the buildings was in the skin, and the building did not use traditional steel i-beams, but used a truss system instead. It's actually very fascinating how those towers were engineered. Truss systems are very susceptible to failure from heat if not properly insulated. Inspection photos show the poor insulation on the trusses. Just one part of a truss heats to the point to weaken the steel, the whole beam fails.
FullFrontalCrudity 2 years ago
actually, the evidence of angular cuts come from photographs taken at ground zero after the collapse. there really is no way to tell if these cuts were made by steelworkers in the clean-up, because there is no way to tell exactly when those photos were taken. it's entirely possible that those columns were cut that way during the clean up. i don't think one could use those pictures as evidence of anything in a court of law.
FullFrontalCrudity 2 years ago
I wonder how you Einsteins explain away the angular cuts at the bottom of the columns, of all three buildings, oh wait, no plane hit WT7...hmmm and the three small fires in it made it collapse, that's pretty damned good. IF those buildings (1 and 2) fell from one plane each hitting them, that would make all the engineers, designers, and all the construction personnel directly responsible for all the deaths. I was in those buildings as they were built. They were stout.
totallygonegearhead 2 years ago
Which columns, where? Oh wait that's right, another YouTuber solving the 9/11 "conspiracy". Total bullshit. If you were in the buildings when they were being build, you would know that every section of steel support was in fact bolted to the others. There are literally hundreds of pictures showing bolt failure all in many of the steel sections. Just because you were there in the 1960's-70's doens't mean that the building was perfect. I think that has been proven.
spliffbear250 2 years ago
Spiffbear, I will assume you are some sort of expert on steel framed construction, and that you would know that steel deforms at 2000 degrees, and fails completely at around 3200. The highest temperature achieved immediately after impact was around 1800 degrees. Further I will assume that you are far more intelligent than ALL of the engineers, structural and otherwise, that have voiced these same opinions. Additionally, they were the only three buildings in history to fail due to fire.
totallygonegearhead 2 years ago
I never said anything about no plane hitting, I said not a american airpline plane. here is one of many good questions. A lot of people dont think a American Airlines plane hit at the pentagon, people think it could have been a drone plane or missle and when asked the government for the pentagon footage they rufused to release the plane hitting the pentagon footage. But they confiscated other footage (the hotel and gas station across the street).Why not just shut ppl up and release the video?
kevo1120 3 years ago
i never said there WERENT people hearing explosions. i DID say that no-one heard explosions at the time of collapse. this is proven by the fact that these explosions were not caught on ANY footage filmed that day, or reported by FDNY or NYPD, who were mostly CLOSER to the buildings than anyone.
and i already told you there IS footage of the pentagon, and the REASON they dont release them all.
even the gas station footage is out there now.
hundreds of witnesses corroborate the footage too
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
I have seen all the pentagon footage that is out. But they never released any of their other survellance of the plane hitting. Only a frame by frame. None of the footage show a plane though. Why havnt they released a video that clearly shows a plane? If anyone even says a United Airlines plane didnt hit why wouldnt they put the rumors to rest?
kevo1120 3 years ago
youre suggesting they compromise national security just to make you nutballs move onto something different to blame them for?
the footage DOES clearly show a plane, as does the gas station footage.
they dont just release footage of an attack on a government military installation, think about it
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
ok send a link to this footage. first you said there is footage and then you said they dont release it, which is it? I would bet any amount of money that you cant send a link to a video that clearly shows a plane.
kevo1120 3 years ago
and i answered all the questions that NEED answering to prove that it was IMPOSSIBLE that there were explosives involved, the no-plane bullshit, and all other idiocy.
if you claim these are "bullshit theories", then how can you possibly believe any others? they are the theories that make most sense. you either believe there were explosives, or you dont? i told you why there were no explosives, and how its impossible to keep so many people in on a big secret like this, so whats the problem?
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
guy your an idiot. I should of stoped this a while ago. I can comment back on your lies. You say not living in the US doesnt matter about 9/11? your ridiculous? you say I was in school when it happened, Ye good job doing the math i was in highschool. i could see maybe like a preschool or a 1st grader not understanding. You think Alex jones is my idol lol you dont listen or I dont even like Alex Jones all I said was he basiclly predicted it, And you make up these theories u think i think
kevo1120 3 years ago
so highschool isnt school?
but your theory ignores the people who live in new york. you claim i have less knowledge of 9/11 because i dont live in the US, but you ignore the people of new york, who DO have more knowledge and experience of that horrific day than either of us.
and my math, if your page is correct, is FINE. you were 13 or 14, right? because you are NOW 21. 21-7=14, right? 9/11 was SEVEN years ago. or maybe you dont even remember that? 9/11/01.
i have lied about NOTHING, unlike you
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
that makes no sense first of all. yea i was 14 correct, what does that mean? and I friends and teachers I know very well who were there and I know somebody's dad who died that day. And YES you have been caught lieing, we have already been over this and i can go back and quote your lies but do you really want me to embaress you? I have nothing to lie about and i havnt lied at all. you try and like bring up other unrelated things to help your argument but it takes away from your credability
kevo1120 3 years ago
Alex Jones DID NOT PREDICT 9/11, Bill Cooper predicted 9/11 months before this, AJ is a fuckin fraud, Cooper was on our side, he was a patriot, that's why he is dead, Jones is a disinfo rat, that's why he's still kickin, he fogs the truth
iembracetherandom 2 years ago
first of all, no..you didnt answer any questions i brought up..you answered sopme bullshit theories that everyone knows is bullshit and I never even asked in the first place..there are witnesses to explosions. i dont get what you dont get about this. and I told you there have been many reports sayin it could have been pulled off with under 150 ppl involved. You think that the whole state of NY would be in on this or something? It was pulled off good in a way but sloppy in another.
kevo1120 3 years ago
I just re-read like 8 pages of or convo..you didnt answer shit..y You answered some obivous 9/11 bullshit theories that every knows is stupid that i didnt even ask you about or mention.. you want me to copy and paste your lies.lol.all i say is facts..your living a fairytail.you probaly think everything you hear is the truth
kevo1120 3 years ago
and do some homework about his hole in the pentagon. its all there, but you dont want to see it. its all about what the structure is made of. the impact was CERTAINLY not consistent with a missile or anything like that. and how do you explain the over 200 witnesses who SAW the plane in washington? all work for the government? i already told you, human psychology shows this to be impossible to keep that many people from coming forward.
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
i have answered EVERYTHING, but you want people to read this and believe YOU, trying to make me look like i have no facts, when in fact just reading one or two of my responses will show that you are just attacking me to divert the attention from you being proven wrong time and time again. nice try, but people are used to truther tactics such as these, and will just think you a joke for doing the same as the other sheep in the truther cult.
just go wait for the kool aid, it shouldnt be long now
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
Your an idiot. first of all im not a truther and you have answered everything...lol you havnt answered ANYTHING..the thing you tried and answer I never even asked..read what I said and you will see you never answered anything I said..you just lie, it is pretty strange..so answer this..why wont the release the pentagon tape? why did they confiscate other footage of it? (no plane in the video). why wouldnt Bush or Cheny interview under oath or individually? Pennsylvania, 15ft by 20ft hole?
kevo1120 3 years ago
they DID release pentagon footage. they "conficscated" the others because this is a secure government, military building, and posting hundreds of images of it being attacked, showing areas of imapct that would show the INSIDE of this building would be bad for national security. i knew that before they even released any footage. why WOULD they be interviewed under oath? they did nothing wrong, so why would they? i have answered this, as well as other things you have asked, before.
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
and why would they set off explosives too early? planting more explosives to be detonated early would just make the rick of being caught out higher, wouldnt it?
and you think a huge airliner can turn away "right before it hit"? they arent that manouverable, you see.
and you STILL claim i havent answered anything, even though i have answered everything you asked, but you dont want to know the truth, you want a fairy tale, dont you?
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
umm i never said the plane that supposibly hit turned away i said there a plane followoing the thing that hit the pentagon aned it was following it until it hit and pulled off like the airforce pulled away or it was being flown remote. either way the air force supposibly never intercepted. you cant even understand something i write how would you understand the complicity of this story. this is why going baack and forth w. you is pointless. you make shit up and mix stuff up
kevo1120 3 years ago
I have done extensive research, I have told you this many times. This is what you say when you cant answer a question, you resort back to do some research and there all myths. You need to do some research and stop just lieing and blantily making shit up. I have caught you in about 20 lies now. If this is so debunkable then why cant you answer 1/10 of the questions I ask?
kevo1120 3 years ago
you havent asked me any questions, you just say you have caught me lying.diverting attention from you having no facts to back up your bullshit is a typical truther tactic.
the buildings did NOT fall right into their own footprint, or into the basements, as would in CD, so you have just debunked your OWN lies, havent you?
they also didnt fall fast enough to be CD, and this has ben proven too. they fell at almost TWICE free-fall speed, which is impossible if it was CD, right?
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
When the South tower fell it starting tipping over like it was just about to tip and fall and then the part of the building under the impact came down completly level so the top indeed up not even tipping like it should have, it fell with it all the way down. And I am not a truther, like I said, I just no the story is bullshit like millions of other people. And yea you have lied, You said things about the dead bodies found in the closet that the fireman never said. That is called lying.
kevo1120 3 years ago
the south tower DIDNT start tipping over. the TOP of the tower broke away, because there was not enough support because of wealened steel and impact damage. if it started toppling, NOTHING would have stopped it, but watching the videos you can clearly see it is only the area ABOVE the impact that starts to topple. its not hard to see, but if youre blind to the truth, i suppose you can STILL say i havent answered you, right?
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w0bbl3r 3 years ago
thats what I said, above where the plane hit is where it started to tip
kevo1120 3 years ago
look, if you just want to troll youtube, and not do real resarch, then check out RKOwens4. his channel is full of vids with answers for every single 9/11 myth. and they ARE myths. just have an open mind. if evidence came out that proved it was inside job, i would admit i was wrong, but there is no proof. there IS proof however that it was a bunch of nutty muslims, who want to kill the west, one civilian at a time.
look into islam, also, to find out the mindset of the people responsible
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
lets say that they DID know the explosion was before the plane hit;
WHY would there be an explosion? you dont set off explosives for a building to fall an hour later you know. they went off by accident? not possible. the explosion heard was the explosion travelling down the elevator shaft, and this has also been proven.
do some real research, and you will find this out.
go to 9/11myths . com or somewhere, and all your doubts CAN be answered if you really want the truth.
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
more bullshit you make up. wow you are really ridiculous. Juts like you saying " the fat black guy who is out for fame and to make money", the guy who witnessed WTC 7 explosions and was threatend by unidentified people for giving his interviews and he was mysteriously killed after his last interview RIP Berry Jenkins by the way. Yea he is out for money, your an idiot. Basements are blown out in controlled demos to have the building fall into its basement. Rodriguez worked in the WTC for 20 yrs.
kevo1120 3 years ago
if its an open and shut case, as you claim, why has nothing been done?
because every single bullshit theory has been debunked.
give me a theory, and i will link you proof of why it cant be true, and what really happened.
but if you wanted the truth, you would have found this out already, but you dont. you look until you find what you want, rather than what is true. thats not scientific study, thats ignorance. something twoofers are very good at, im sorry to say
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
I have looked at both sides, you cant debunk it because it isnt possible. I think you are getting what I said and some bogus claims mixed up. ok, send me a site as to why they cant release the video of the plane hitting the pentagon and why they confiscated the hotel and gas stations across the streets footage? Tell me how a plane coming in over 500 mph from the sky can fly under 20 ft paraellel to the ground hitting not even ten feet above the ground without touching the grass and disingrate.
kevo1120 3 years ago
this was because they couldnt see or hear what happened on the 80th-odd floor. this has been admitted by every witness there.
and the big fat black guy has been proven to be a liar, because he also claimed to be the last person out of WTC7, yet he was out long before FDNY finished bringing people out. he is out for fame and fortune, making money from truthers for making appearances at rallies, just like all the other liars and moneymakers.
it has all been disproved, you just dont lsiten is all
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
this is a perfect example of how you have no idea of what your talking and you making up bullshit. This is the 20th time now I have caught you blantily making things up.
"and the big fat black guy has been proven to be a liar, because he also claimed to be the last person out of WTC7,he is out for fame and fortune" How is being a witness to 9/11 get you famous. and he was threatend for giving his testimony and was mysteriously killed. He is dead now. Fame and fortune. pff u dumbass
kevo1120 3 years ago
he wasnt mysteriously killed at all. he was a prick. he was a LYING prick, and it has been proven that he was lying.
please list me the 20 times you have caught me "lying".
youre not lying, you just TELL lies because you WANT them to be true so much you actually believe them.
EVERY single bullshit theory has been soundly debunked, by many sources, and you know this, but choose to ignore it
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
Why was there an explosion in the North tower, in the basement moments before the first plane hit? How can a witness who saw expolosions be debunked? Let me ask you, do you know about the explosion in the basement ? do you think this is some made up truther claim? dont avoid this question. and if you know about the explosion, i want to hear a dumbunker excuse for it
kevo1120 3 years ago
"if its an open and shut case, as you claim, why has nothing been done?"
Do you understand who is being accused in the inside job theory? I think that answers its own question.
kevo1120 3 years ago
one fell at 14 seconds, the other at just under 20, well, 19.-something. how could two identical towers, felled in the exact same way, take two very different times to fall? also not possible. there is answer to the free fall speed nonsense, just like other nonsense i have pointed out
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
When did I ever bring freefall speed? You see, this is exactly what you do. I list a bunch of sketchy and undebunkable things and then you answer a obvious question I never even asked. Its like what are you even talking about, freefall speed, where did i bring this up? Like I said, I have extensively done my research and you should know I know the freefall speed is not true. I never brought this up and it wouldnt have an effect on myopinion either way.
kevo1120 3 years ago
and there IS footage of the plane hitting the pentagon, as well as witnesses in their hundreds. over 200 people saw the plane in washington, and its not possible to get that many people to lie about something so big, no matter what you say to them, give them, or threaten them with. so, that, AGAIN has answered two claims you have made, yet i suppose you will still claim i havent answered anything you have put. even though you havent tried to refute that it is IMPOSSIBLE that it was CD
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
There are witnesses who said it didnt look like a passeneger jet to. and another witnesses who said there was a plane following the plane that hit the pentagon and it turned away right before it hit. like it was either remote flight or the airforce had someone following and it turned away. For every incident that day there are witnesses that go both ways and if it was an inside job they would obviously have witnesses saying theys ay whatever they want them to see. You didnt answer anything lol
kevo1120 3 years ago
The ONLY nonsense you have pointed out is obvious nonsense that everyone knows is nonsense. There is alot of disinformation about the 9/11 inside job theory that makes other people who think it is a inside job look stupid by association. You havnt answered 1 question that I have pointed out, you have answered obvious questions that I never even asked. here is one. Why wont they show the video of the Plane hitting the pentagon? if anyone even thought a plane didnt hit why wouldnt they show it?
kevo1120 3 years ago
and if you KNOW they fell at slower than free-fall speed, then you KNOW it wasnt CD, right?
CD would cause them to fall much faster than they did, and they would both fall at the same speed. i assumed that you had the intelligence to know they were inseperable as arguments. you cant claim CD, and then agree that both buildings fell at different rates, thats just ridiculous. but, i know you well enough to know you are great at the ridiculous by now
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
that is not true at all. Not every demo is free fall speed, some are very close. Every WTC building that fell is not freefall speed but is close and seems like it had little resistance which takes away from the pancaking theory. Which is the offical theory so that makes no sense. WTC came down horizontally level? how does a building with damage on one side have all the collums in the building on all sides give way at the same time. plus witnessed witness a countdown and heard explosions there
kevo1120 3 years ago
how is falling at almost twice free-fall speed "close" to the same speed?
and where did you get the "damage only on one side" nonsense?
no-one witnessed a countdown, thats another truther distortion of garbled radio transmissions caught on camera. its not clear what is being said, but the "truth" movement has distorted the audio and claims it is "clearly a countdown". and also, no-one heard explosions at the time of collapse, which would be ESSENTIAL if CD was the cause.
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
but they DIDNT do it. many professionals all over the world have disproven every single theory. the loose change movies were discredited the day of release. every single one of them. so what does the maker, mr burmas (failed filmmaker and college dropout), do? he makes a DIFFERENT version of the "truth". that doesnt strike you as odd? every single theory has been put forward from these movies, and has been discredited. burmas has even admitted his movies are bullshit. yet you believe them? WOW!!
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
when did I believe them? did I bring up Loose Change? is this like another thing your making up because i never said this? and when did Burmas say his videos were bullshit, i cant find that anywhere online? and NO not every theory has been proved, you really need to stop making shit up to help your debate, this is over the 10th lie and im about to stop even debating with you. If 9/11 is so debunkable why cant you answer the things i bring forward? you think every theory ever truther believes
kevo1120 3 years ago
they want to make money, after all. they cant sell DVD's if they show you everything. like the fact that no compound found ONLY in thermite was ever found. steven jones is quick to tell you he find things found elsewhere, but never said until called on it that he DIDNT find the thermite only compounds. he wants your MONEY. and WHY would the government do this? money? joking, right? they have made no money from this. oil? they have no oil from afghanistan, or iraq. so WHY would they do it?
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
I am pretty sure you mean Alex jones and not steven but anyway you think i like love this guy. Did i ever say that? All I said was he basically predicted 9/11 a couple months before. And on everyone of his dvds it says he gives the rights for anyone to copy and make more for free to give out. and once the thermite is used you cant find thermite, it is burned . Saying no money was made is ridiculous, axpayers money, preconstruction, reconstruction, renovations, military industries etc etc etc...
kevo1120 3 years ago
alex jones was wrong about everything; he said the government were going to carry out an attack and blame it on al qaeda. this is not true, so how did he predict anything? it wasnt difficult to predict an attack, even on WTC, because it had happened before.
the first question i asked when i was looking into al the truther bullshit was "why would they fly planes into the WTC, and then CD them anyway? one or the other would have been enough, and would have left less chance of people finding out
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
why? because those buildings were meant to withstand the impact of a couple planes. so they needed to make sure the buildings to fall down to hide any evidence like maybe a drone plane or no terrorist dead bodies. If the building didnt fall it couldnt hide this evidence, so they had to make sure the building came down. one or the other wouldnt be good just like i said if the plane flew no evidence would be hidden.
kevo1120 3 years ago
these bodies WERE burnt. THAT would have been the first thing he said if they werent. "what the fuck did these people die of?" would be anyones first response, especially when talking to your heroic cult leaders, like stevfen jones, and alex jones. that would be the FIRST question they would ask, wouldnt it? "could you see what killed those people?" would be my first question, wouldnt it you? if i was trying to blame someone else for their deaths, anyway
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
he never said your making up your own dialouge...he never said anything about the bodies being burnt and your saying that WOULD be the first thing he said....????? what?????? im done arguing with you, your glib
kevo1120 3 years ago
and now you do another thing that is typical of someone who KNOWS he is wrong; you use something i said, and then, knowing it is true, turn it around, and accuse ME of the same thing.
ie, lying, and being too young to remember.
i VIVIDLY remember the BBC reporting that tower 7 "had fallen, or was about to fall", and the firefighter who had just told them it was going to fall, giving them reason to believe it MAY have happened by the time they reported. this is common when events are unfolding
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
what, that made no sense. "know he is wrong" wrong about what? wrong about even acknowldging you, you lie to help your arguement and you know you do. I could go back and copy and paste your lies. You never even touch on any of the good points i bring up because there is no way you could possible explain. Why wouldnt Bush and Cheney get interviewed sepretly after 9/11? they would only be itnerviewed together, not underoath, with no cameras or pens and paper. what are they trying to hide?
kevo1120 3 years ago
"me and the lieutenant OPEN THE DOOR and find a body in this closet"
where does it say he opened the CLOSET door?
it doesnt. taking statements to mean what you WANT them to mean doesnt make these theories any less impossible.
its IMPOSSIBLE to get an entire city to lie. its IMPOSSIBLE to drop a building SILENTLY. its IMPOSSIBLE to drop a building this size with thermite, OR thermate. its POSSIBLE that planes hit the WTC and the buildings fell.
now, how hard is that to understand?
easy for me
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
actually they have, i saw a presentaion with this guy on stage in front of an audience with pieces from the molten pools they found that had mixtures of sulfer and something else i forget that is consistant with thermate...you thermate is the stronger version of thermite right? you keep saying thermite, most likely thermate would have been used
kevo1120 3 years ago
"mixtures of sulfer and something else"
no, it was iron oxide, and aluminium oxide. i saw the same presentation, by steven jones and his moronic cult leaders, who fail to explain that these compounds are found in many other things.
NO thermite/thermate only compounds have been found, that is common knowledge, and even master jones has had to admit it.
and insults just show how ignorant you are. when an rgument runs out, you just resort to namecalling, to divert attention from being wrong
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
you called me a moron first...i have never said anything prior to that...your such a hypocrit it is ridiculous and make shit up to help you argument like how you said he didnt say stuffed he said crammed...he didnt say either...how your like it wasnt a closet and so on and son on...after thermite/thermate is burned you can only find compounds because the thermite/thermate is burned...what dont you get
kevo1120 3 years ago
and it needs explaining because people are stupid enough to believe truther bullshit.
why does steven jones claim that iron oxide is PROOF of thermite, when it is present in many other things, certainly in both planes and offices? as well as aluminium oxide is. the compounds that would be there ONLY because of thermite have NEVER been found, ever.
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
obviousoy there is a lot of truther bullshit...i dont consider myself a truther...i just know its bullshit....the truther bullshit probaly isnt even made by truthers..it is there as disinformation to make the truthers look stupid by association..most truthers dont beolieve half of the shit on the internet..so use your own info and dont believe everything you see
kevo1120 3 years ago
why didnt WTC 5 collapse..look it up it
had about every floor on fire and was closer
to the towers than 7 and got hit with more debris..
watch?v=cCAoJuDw2Ic&feature=related
watch?v=Ri9Uz1Wa-Xc&feature=related
kevo1120 3 years ago
you keep saying "can" send video link, but you fail to supply them
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
I ytold you i will send you a video link if you want ask me.. you never ask me just like you never answer any of the good points i always bring up
kevo1120 3 years ago
Are you saying that there isnt 1% of you that might think it could have been an inside job?
kevo1120 3 years ago
anything even remotely suspicious was being reported for weeks after. and that day was chaos, reports of "explosives" everywhere. even other places in new york, like the school, that the "truth" movement tried to twist to make people think the FDNY were talking about explosives in the towers. cars were reported for being illegally parked, bags abandoned on the street or in buildings were suddenly explosives, and the press were reporting on things as they were happening
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
I am not saying their are people out there trying to distort the truth, like the school thing i know what your talking about but the reason there is so much dumb things about 9/11 like lasers from space is to try and distort the truth to make the truth people seem stupid by assosiction
kevo1120 3 years ago
is it possible to keep all these people quiet? absolutely not.
and by the way, silverstein made about 4 million dollars from insurance, and its costing him 12 million to rebuild, so what has he to gain?
why would he admit it, by using a term that is NEVER used in CD, on national tv?
how dumb is this guy? he uses a term, used by FDNY to "pull" a rescue operation, yet MEANS it as a term used by CD teams (never done)?
yet these people are so clever to pull this off?
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
you got your facts wrong...he didnt make 4 million look it up...and did you watch 9/11 coincidences part nine?
kevo1120 3 years ago
there are just too many things that would be impossible. is it impossible that it was planes hijacked by nutters? no, its incredible, but not impossible.
is it possible to place demo without anyone noticing? no, even if they did it while the building was empty, people would have seen them, and the FDNY would have definitely seen them for what they were. is it possisble it was thermite? no, thats never done in a building this size, and NEVER from the top, in either case.
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
people did witness explosions, people were injured from explosions inside the building.
kevo1120 3 years ago
youre saying they could just walk around pitting debris on the floor, over an 8 mile radius, and no-one noticed?
fuck youre dumb. life is not like in the movies, maybe when you grow up you will realise this.
life is NEVER so complicated.
and its still IMPOSSIBLE to get even a handful of people to keep quiet about a conspiracy.
ask any half decent psychologist how good people are at keeping big secrets
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
Life is not like in the cable new shows either wobbler, why would big wigs not keep quiete about it? how many people do you think were involved exactly? list them please,
a123a456a123a456a 3 years ago
whole world news media had to be, because they at least had to edit the explosions out if it was CD. probably the airline company, because it is claimed that at least 93 was shot down.
most of the city of new york, including the people who died in the buildings, because they walked past all the det cord and explosives, and didnt say anything. same for FDNY and NYPD, including the ones who died that day.
at least ten thousand people would HAVE top be in on it. and what about their families?
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
the explosives could have been inside the walls, hidden under concrete, but forget all this explosive talk, even if the planes brought the building down, i have to beleive that people in the U.S. government were involved with that. It was not a rouge organization, the highjackers were helped by the saudis and isralies both allies of the u.s. Look more deeply in the the evens before and after 911 comrade,
a123a456a123a456a 3 years ago
no, it was IMPOSSIBLE to hide them in the walls, unless they were placed when the buildings were first built. this is not possible, because explosives have a shelf life.
the extent of the US government involvement on 9/11 is that they had intel on an attack that they didnt act on, as they didnt take it seriously. the hijackers were from saudi arabia, but the saudis are only tenous allies at best, right? israel has NO links to 9/11, i have checked.
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
couple weeks before 9/11 there were 4 12 hr powerdowns where all the pwor was shut down including the security cameras and everything was powered off. it was said throughout the whole building that internet cables and new cables were installed on all floors and after the powerdown people who worked in the building reported dust like concrete dust coming throught the vents. heard loud banging and loud things moving around on empty floors and nothing there when they looked. like hiden in walls
kevo1120 3 years ago
it is reported that under 140 people could have pulled off 9/11. i have no idea where you got tens of thousands of ppl.
kevo1120 3 years ago
think about freemasons and secret society. do you know the secrecy involved in that. do you know anything about that? there are free mason buildings in every city in every state. i live in boston all around boston even in the middle of boston in public places there are masonic clubhouses that you couldnt get into if you tried. only buildings i have ever seen with blocks over every single window. secrecy is somethin they can do. older people are from different eras. secrets aint shiit
kevo1120 3 years ago
so youre saying there is a secret society,, most of whom live in new york, over ten thousand strong, and are from ALL ages?
AND they are all ok with keeping quiet about the murder of 3,000 people?
its not diffcult, its impossible.
just the same as it is impossible to drop a building from the impact area, which is clearly where they fall from.
look at them compared to footage of CD, and they are nothing alike, and they didnt fall nearly fast enough, no matter what the "truth" people say
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
where are you getting ten thousand? im curious. like I said there are numerous reports saying it could have been pulled off by under 150 people. you cant just make up ten thousand ppl were on it. and yes there is secret society's look it up. illuminati and freemasons look them up. and there from all ages from about 20yrs old and up yes. are you saying there isnt any secret socities?? it isnt like a secret place where people live, it is like a a grown man fraterinty
kevo1120 3 years ago
common sense tells you that the whole world news press had to be in on it, as did the FDNY. not counting that some people claim the plane passengers are still alive, and no planes were used, and take their families as well, you could go into hundreds of thousands.
less than 150 to pull it off is not the same as 150 with inside knowledge, is it?
whole world press, must go into at least 1000, FDNY and NYPD the same, plus your 150.
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
wh? you never explain nor do you even reply to the good points i make, everything you say is opinion. watch 9/11 coincidences part nine it explains the power downs. whole world press lol where do you get all this from. why would they be in on it, the miltary aircraft flyers wernt in on it thats why norad was running fake drills that morning to put fake blips all over the radar and to scramble jets in the wrong part of the us so they couldnt react
kevo1120 3 years ago
and yes when people have a lot of things to gain from keeping a secret and pulling this off they wont open their mouths. ecspecially if someone had pre-knowledge of 9/11 its not something you would go around telling people, anyone who did that would go to jail. look at Larry Silverstein, the leaseholder, made a 15 million investment and from the insurance of 9/11 made 8 billion. there are ppl who were injured in the wtc from explosions going off, witnesses in otherwords
kevo1120 3 years ago
then you have to say that at least haolf of those people would tell their close family members. if some kind of secret society was involved, as you claim, then every member would have inside knowledge, and so would some of their family members, cos people are not able to keep secrets.
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
it wont let me copy and paste the link for some odd reason, so look this up on youtube...9/11 coincidences part nine....watch the whole video and then reply what you think..i want to hear your explanation..do you know that wtc had 4 12 hr power downs the weekend before 9/11...and practice evacuation which people who had been working there for years have never experienced but the weekend before this was all happeneing. have you looked into 9/11 at all
???????????????????
kevo1120 3 years ago
look at how many people came forward over the JFK assasination, within one year; most of them, at least at low level, yet we have something much bigger here, and not one person has come forward, even if it was less than 150 (impossible), at least 3/4 of them would HAVE to speak to someone about it. human behaviour dictates this. tell people a big secret. people you trust. tell them they are the only ones who know, and see how long it takes them to tell each other all about it
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
no one knows to this day who and how JFK was murdered. what are you talking about, people came forward who were their in the grassy knowle thats about it. his murder is still a mystery. but thats a good example, see how secrative that was. you think people cant keep secret, if someone is fear of their life they will. it is probaly the people you hang out with, i have a lot of friends who keep a lot of secrets and i know i have some plus if i was paid believe me i wouldnt talk
kevo1120 3 years ago
his murder is a mystery because it never made it to court. i wonder why? but they dozens of people who were sworn to secrecy but still came forward, even though threatened with death.
and the press HAD to be in on it, because they edited the sound of explosives, as the people who were there seem to have FORGOTTEN they heard them, even at the time.
you cant drop a building without a massive round of explosions as each building falls. a few isolated explosions are normal in an office fire
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
that is what everyine tried to argue but if you actually watch demoltion experts talk about 9/11 there are many different demolition experts who say they can cantrol basically every single aspect of a demoltion, including sound! they can have loud or completely quiet. how? not every single controlled demoltion is the same and that is one thing a lot of people get confused. Thermite and thermate can slice through steel like a knife through butter. completely quietly
kevo1120 3 years ago
and CD is NEVER quiet. i dont know wh told you that, but its an outright lie, and any REAL CD expert will say so.
so what youre saying is that two of the tallest buildings in the world are brought down in a way that is completely silent? not one explosion caught in any footage? either visually or audibly? and no witnesses heard anything that could have been CD. hearing "something that sounded like an explosion" is nothing like CD.
check it out, there has never been a silent building drop, ever
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
Your wrong, one word, thermite, i watched about 5 different videos with real demolition experts saying they can control any aspect of the demolition, for instance where it falls, how it falls, how it crumbles, they loudness of the bombs. etc..thermite and themate is a substance that can cut right through steel and if it is applied to the steel collums in a downward angle it will slide and the thermite cuts it in half it will slide right off, liek a ball rolling downhill.
kevo1120 3 years ago
thermite is NOT used in CD of this size. never, because its not stable enough.
those columns that were cut to an angle were cut in the days and weeks following, as they were still standing up to 150ft high. which is further proof that CD was not used, as they would HAVE to be cut to guarantee a straight fall. charges would have to be placed on EVERY column for the first 30 floors, and people would have seen them, including the people who died that day, and the FD and PD who went in
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
That is an excuse people say about the collums being cut, that they were cut days after but experts have looked at the numerous cut collums that were there on the first days on ground zero and there was dried melted steel dripping down the side of each collum exactly similar tot hermite. If they were going to cut the collums after the building fell, why would the cut every one in a downward diagnol way exactly similar to how a Controlled demolition would leave a collum?
kevo1120 3 years ago
what you just said goes to show you have no idea what your talking. the 30 floors? No controlled demoltion has ever taken a building of this size down. AND PEOPLE DID SEE THEM!!!!! there are witnesses who witnessed explosions and were hurt by explosions and its not jsut 1 or 2 in a video its hundreds and hundreds of people who witnessed them and were hurt by them.The basement had a big explosion go off that took out the whole basement and destroyed the lobby. basements are blown first in demos.
kevo1120 3 years ago
people saw and heard explosions because there are commonly explosions in home and office fires. when you add loads of plane debris, and massive damage, you would hear many things that sounded like explosions also.
and the explosions in the basement were from the elevator shafts, FDNY personnel admit this, and say it is common, because that the only way for the flame to go.
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
People reported explosions in the basement which wernt from the elavotr shaft which may have gone down the elavtor shaft but it didnt blow out the whole lobby and didnt blow up the whole basement. The people who witnessed explosions and were hurt from actual explosions. I can show you video of these witnesses just let me know
kevo1120 3 years ago
everyone who doesnt research thinks all demoltions only go on way, chich is bomsb blowing it to hell. and on top of it, THERE WAS WITNESSES WHO WITNESSED EXPLOSIONS AND WHO WERE HURT BY EXPLOSIONS!!! THERE WERE WITNESSES WHO SAY EXPLOSIONS!!! EVEN NEWS REPORTED TALKED ABOUT SECONDARY EXPLOSIONS AND BOMBS IN TRUCKS IN THE BASEMENT. there was a bomb that went off in the basement, in every controlled demo that blow out the basement first because the ideal CT falls right into its own basement.
kevo1120 3 years ago
if people were close enough to be hurt by demo charges, they would have been crushed.
these people were hurt by explosions much earlier than the towers actually fell. what, you think the explosives go off, and then the building falls half hour later?
and im not talking about people like alex jones, the cult leader, im talking about people who were involved. CD team, FDNY, NYPD, world news media, entire city of new york, government staff and politicians, flight crew, passengers and families.
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
im sure a lot of people were killed from the explosions but some people lived through it. A fireman in that video i told you to watch says he had other friends close to the basement explosion that killed a few of them and another one needed reconstructive surgery on his face.
kevo1120 3 years ago
these people were injured long before the buildings fell, not at the time of explosion.
and CD experts have worked out that they would HAVE to have placed charges on the first 30 floors to ensure collapse. and thats from the BOTTOM remember, unlike the towers, which fell from the impact area down. thats plain to see from every angle
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
i have never heard that 30 floor theory, where did you get that from? but even still your getting besides the point, numerous people reported explsion in the basement right before second plane hit and another in the lobby of the other tower. the point is, there are witnesses who were hospitalized from secondary explosions not from the plane. simple and plain
kevo1120 3 years ago
there were explosions travelling down the elevator shafts. this is common when there is a large fire in a highrise. FDNY were NOT surprised by this.
as for 30 floors of charges; how do you THINK they bring them down? also, the charges would have to in view. even if people going to work that day didnt recognise them fr what they were, FDNY would. and they WERE looking for secondary devices.
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
there were people hurt and sent to the hospital before the impact and before it fell!!!! fireman say expplosions and dead vbodies stuffed in closets! fireman, nypd,first responders, workers citizensetc witnessed explosions, not loud bangs but explosions inside and outside the building..why would all these ppl just make this up? I know ppl who were there who say a lot of sketchy shit
kevo1120 3 years ago
why would they report explosions OUTSIDE the towers? because there were explosions going off all day. cars outside, explosions in the higher floors that came down the elevator shafts, which FDNY verify when talking about these people burned and injured on the ground floor.
but you still claim the explosions went off, then the buildings fell some time later?
thats impossible. just as its impossible that you can set of charges silently. the footage would pick up that noise for miles around
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
your not reading what i say...i never said explosions outside and yes fireman say explosions as in bombs not from the airplane..and yes a bomb is not quiet...i never said that..i said thermite is quiet and yes it basiclly is..you couldn t hear thermite cut a steel collum in half from outside the building. there is footage that picked up the noise, if you want i can send you some links, look up wtc explosions with sound. numerous fireman and workrs reprorted explosions going off in the basement.
kevo1120 3 years ago
one fireman said when he was explosions going off on different levels like above him and below him and inside he found 2 dead bodies stuffed in a closet..then he was like thats when he knew something wrong was going on and he got out of the building then it fell sometime later..why were there dead bodies in closets? you think the people were hiding in the closets for some reason and killed themselves?maybe they saw something they shouldnt have like a lot of other witnesses who mysteriously died
kevo1120 3 years ago
NO fireman said people were "stuffed" in a closet. he said "crammed" into a closet, and he also said the force of the explosion coming out of the elevator shaft had thrown them so hard it had forced them in there. if you watched things from anywhere other than your beloved "truth" sources, you would hear FULL interviews. you would also find that thermite CANT be used to drop buildings this size. and why were the columns till standing AFTER collapse if they were cut at base? not POSSIBLE
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
No he didnt say that...he aid after he say the bodys in the closet,thats when he kenw something wasnt right...and how can an explosion force two people dead into a closet and shut the door? i think you need to watch the full interview. the collums wernt stand, atleast not a good proportion, maybe like 1/20th of the size of them collums were bu the collums were standing after the building initally fell and then you see lights flash and they fell. i can send video link
kevo1120 3 years ago
there is footage of columns standing over 100ft tall, being cut up to one week AFTER the collaps by a cleanup crew. thats why they were cut at an angle, and why they had yellow scorch marks on them. they didnt fall right after collapse, and even if they had (they didnt), that would be further proof of NO explosives, moron, because these columns have to be cut FIRST, to ensure collapse is straight down and from the bottom. wtc did NOT fall from the bottom
he never said the closet door was closed
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
/watch?v=ySHgiUxnLC0
this shows the columns and frame being cut AFTER collapse. LONG after collapse, and it even shows one of the engineers talking about cutting them at the time.
please stop letting these people b ranwash you
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
funny thing about this video is it says the collums were high up and thats why that one was cut at an angle yet where it is cut is maybe 4 or 5 from where person could atand. also, the other collums cut were not even close to the same angle as the one in that picture. Sure, obviously they had to cut shit to take it down after the collapse to clean it up. but a lot of collums were already like that prior to clean up. why would someone need to explain if the 9/11 truth theory is so ridiculous?
kevo1120 3 years ago
he never said that that the force of the explosion forcved them in their...wow...no i know your just bullshitting...he said he opened the door and found dead bodys in the closet and thats when he nothing something wasnt right here...thats exactly what he said...your making shit up now...im about to stoip even responding to you altogether because this is like the 10th time i have said this to you...making other stuff up like it would take thousands of people
kevo1120 3 years ago
This is what he said word for word , " all of the sudden were looking for another stairwell, me and the lieutenant OPEN THE DOOR and find a body in this closet. We're like what the heck is that? where did this come from? holy shit,
whats going on here? somethings crazy." and then he starts talking about a matnience guy after that. look at all that shit you made up!!! you just lie to try and help your arguement, never said CRAMMED or FORCE of anything. if i watched things? i do!! you lie, moron
kevo1120 3 years ago
open the door? you seriously think he meant the CLOSET door?
he meant the door to the room, you moron. why the fuck would they be wasting time opening clsoet doors in an evac op?
and so youre saying that because the columns were cut at slightly different angles, it HAD to be thermite? even though thermite would be MORE clinical than someone cutting them by hand, and that thermite has never, will never be, used for a drop of this size, as its too unstable.
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
yes he said the closet you dumb ass...you forgot to mention the fact that you made up all this stuff he said and flat out lied to help your argument...
kevo1120 3 years ago
"flat out lied to help your argument"
i dont live in the US. thats why i take the word of the polulation of new york, over someone trying to sell DVD's, because they were THERE. where were you?
do you even remember how bad that day was? NO, because youre too young. the only people old enough to actually remember that day are the ones who are making money from selling YOU these lies and half-truths
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
"do you even remember how bad that day was? NO, because youre too young." Are you fucking serious? you dont even live in America? Of corse i remember how bad that day was, I was in highschool in 2001and I live in Boston, where tghey flew out of. Your basiclly saying your not even old enough to remember that day lol why am i even arguing with you. I know people who were there, I know people who witnessed the second plane hit and saw a lot of sketchy shit. and you dont even remember that day.
kevo1120 3 years ago
i had been left school for 12 years in 01. you were a CHILD, and had no understanding of what was happening.
no-one said they heard BOMBS. they said they heard EXPLOSIONS. there is a big difference you know. explosions, for instance, are common in house and office fires, even without planes being flown into the building first and causing damage, and ruptures to power and water lines. a water line can EXPLODE under pressure. think about it.
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
this is true. but here is another LIE that you create, "no-one said they heard bombs" in fact they did and explosions can still be charges being set off aswell. I was just a child?? i was 15 years old. I knew exactly what was going on and still do. I think it is you who doesnt know whats going on. Your niave and you think this is "my little conspiracy" but infact more people would agree with me than with you. i have brought up many things you dismiss and cant explain. the offical stoy is a CT.
kevo1120 3 years ago
What are you like 16-18 and you dont even live in America. and maybe you havnt heard the witnesses in NY who witnessed bombs, were injured from bombs, saw the FBI scouring the area and taking witnesses away, planes with no windows, building 7 explosions and falling completely level and the aftermath. listen little kid, you dont even remember that day, you dont live in America, you lie to help your argument and you dont know what your talking about. Im wasting my time even talking to you.
kevo1120 3 years ago
when did i "basically" say i was not old enough to remember that day? i VIVIDLY remember that day. i VIVIDLY remember the sacrifice those people made, and the heroic FDNY and NYPD personnel. youre crazy theories would put them on the INSIDE of the conspiracy. it would HAVE TO, because they went into the buildings, and would HAVE to have seen the demo if there were explosives there for CD. not possible to hide them, because they would have to be placed EXACTLY!!
well done!!
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
why would it have to put them in the conspiracy. In actuality it would not at all. Why would they need to know, that makes no sense. In fact if they did know i dodnt think any FDNY would go into the building period and would not seem normal. And in fact many FDNY and NYPD and Citizens and workers were witness to numerous explosions for the 100th time. I dont know why you keep dismissing this FACT that people witnessed explosions
kevo1120 3 years ago
the FDNY went into the towers, right? so they are in on it, as are the survivors, and the people who died in there, because they MUST have seen the explosives. any CD expert who knows anything wil tell you the same.
and why would they interview bush and cheney under oath, seperately? the only thing they did wrong was not take the warnings from french and german intelligence seriously.
these are FACTS. please copy and paste my "lies", and i will prove them AGAIN
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
that makes no sense, why would anyone go into abuilding knowing it had explosives in it? you know there was an explosion in the basement? do you know this? not the elevator fire comeing out but the basement. No one said Bush or Cheney did anything wrong but what is the big deal to interview them sepretely instead of together and the bigger question is why wont the be interviewed sepretely? It is just really sketchy.
kevo1120 3 years ago
"why would anyone go into abuilding knowing it had explosives in it?"
thats EXACTLY why it is impossible that there were explosives there, you moron.
if there WERE, they would have to be in plain view, and FDNY would have pulled out, regardless of people being in there. MAYBE the people going to work wouldnt have recognised them for what they were, but FD WOULD.
also, why would people be jumping from the towers, if there wasnt massive fires and damage up there? dont say they didnt jump
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
your an idiot...you said the FDNY would have to be in on it...and i said no they wouldnt...and i said if they were why the fuck would the go into a building knowing there was explosives is it...and no they wouldnt have to be in plain view..they could bedrileld in collums, behind walls etc etc...and you know it is a fact that the basement blew out right? so you know there were atleasts an explosion in the basement? not the lobby's eleavtor but the basement. are you aware of this yes or no?
kevo1120 3 years ago
they cant bury explosives in the columns. its not possible. unlike you i have done some research on CD, and any CD expert worth his salt will tell you the same. just the same as they will tell you that it is an outright LIE to claim that "pull" is a term used to demo a building. it is used to physically PULL a building down, with lines, like they did with other buildings that day. "pull" is a term used to "pull" fdny from an evac/rescue operation. like when a building is too dangerous
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
I have done extensive extensive research myself, that can do numerous different things. One of which is drill it into a cement collum, and yes they can. The word pull, is used to pull the rest of the building down that didnt fall. Silverstein even said that building 7 hadnt fallen yet before he said pull, so what was he referring to? This pull thing doesnt effect my opinion either way, it is just coincidence. you can barely explain 1/100 of the points I bring up.
kevo1120 3 years ago
and it is NOT POSSIBLE to drill explosives into concrete. they cant do that, because it then pushes the force of the explosion in the wrong way.
i have quotes from CD experts, asked if this was possible to be CD "maybe in a hollywood movie. maybe something with bruce willis".
and it is NOT POSSIBLE to drop a building from the TOP, or near the top. its obvious the collapse begins at the impact point, and that is something that CD NEVER DOES. the bottom of the towers never moves
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
I dont know how your going to prove this lie because he never said this but here.
"NO fireman said people were "stuffed" in a closet. he said "crammed" into a closet, and he also said the force of the explosion coming out of the elevator shaft had thrown them so hard it had forced them in there." and you say closet and then you say he didnt even say closet, its like whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? listen to what you say
kevo1120 3 years ago
i said "closet", then said i never said closet?
WHERE???
and i obviously didnt mean he said that word for word, but basically you are taking statements, and filling in blanks that arent there. stuffed or crammed, that DOESNT mean someone burned these bodies (they were horribly burnt, right), then placed them in a closet, while other bodies were all around them?
THAT makes no sense.
just like CD of a building from the 80th floor, which isnt possible.
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
No he didnt say anything about those bodies being burned. All he said was he opened a closet a found dead bodies in there and then he was like whats going on here, something isnt right. Like somebody put those bodies in the closet and mayhave killed them, probaly for seeing something they shouldnt have seen.
kevo1120 3 years ago
"Like somebody put those bodies in the closet and mayhave killed them, probaly for seeing something they shouldnt have seen. "
this is what you surmised? from him saying "this isnt right"?
most firefighters said that on 9/11. to have been there, and seen people jumping to their deaths, and burned bodies from the explosions coming down the elevator shafts, i would have said the same.
"this isnt right", does not mean "these people were PLACED here by someone, who must have killed them"
ridiculous
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
Obviously he didnt say someone killed him for seeing something they wernt supposed to see, I never said he said that. I dont make thing up he says like you. I was just giving a possible scenerio. The fact is though wobblr, that this fireman opened a closet and found dead bodies in the closet. what or how they got in there we dont know but it is very very strange and a fire wont kill people and put them in the closet and shut the door.
kevo1120 3 years ago
and his words, john schroeder, FDNY, right?
here is what he said "we are like, what the hell is this shit. something crazy is going on".
yes, i would SAY something crazy is going on. i see there is no mention of the fact that he didnt find it unbelievable to find bodies strewn around in strange places?
i wonder why? because there were bodies everywhere, maybe?
how about alex jones' PROMISE to kill tens of thousands of people when he "takes over"? some nice guy, mr jones, aint he?
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
What do you think " what the hell is this shit, something crazy is going on" means? I dont give a fuck about Alex Jones, All i said about Alex Jones he is he basiclly predicted 9/11 even mentions Bin Laden as a sacape goat and then 9/11 happened. that is a fact? Your an idiot, you make shit up and say you predicted 9/11 and make up things people say. Your pointless to argue with, dont even repsond anymore...your ridiculous, you resort to lies it is pretty strange
kevo1120 3 years ago
of course he mentioned bin laden. and of course he predicted an attack, bin laen had ALREADY attacked the WTC, and promised to do it again.
and you didnt say he said they were killed for seeing something, you said that was what he implied. "like" they were killed for seeing something they shouldnt, is what you said. and you question me for asking why he didnt ask the obvious questions?
how do you know he DIDNT ask the obvious questions, but your heroes didnt just edit them out?
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
You think im some truther, im not, I have said this to you before i just know its bullshit. I told you "seeing something they shouldnt have" is a scenerio. I never directly said he said that like you did numerous times. How do I know they didnt edit it? Because when he was talking they bodies in the closet was just a part of his story that day and he finished talking about it and then moved on to the next subject, you can see the hwole interview on youtube so it isnt possible.
kevo1120 3 years ago
i never said you DID say he said that. i said that from what he DID say, you took it to mean that they were killed for seeing something they shouldnt have. and i am talking about "professor" steven jones, the guy who said he had "evidence" of thermite being present. thats where all that bullshit started. look him up. he is good for a laugh, like thinking this prick predicted 9/11, when all he did was say there would be an attack carried ouot by our government, and blamed on al quaeda.
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
al quaeda was paritally blammed. anyway, if you watch this video, all i said from the start is he predicted this like 2 months prior and he did. that is a fact so i dont know what your arguing. you can watch the video and hear it for your self.
kevo1120 3 years ago
if you believe the lies that 9/11 was carried out by the government, then he predicted an attack. all this proves is that he read a PUBLIC document that proves the government REJECTED a vaguely similar plan some 40 years before. the fact that the government DID NOT carry out 9/11 shows that he predicted nothing.
ALL CT's come from loose change, and steven jones. and they have ALL been debunked, many times, by many different people. when you have a theory, you are supposed to look at all sides
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
Ok, like I said numerous times, If 9/11 is so debunkable, than why cant you dubunk half of the points i bring up? And I know and have seen a lot of 9/11 CTs that came up with the conclusion on their own.
kevo1120 3 years ago
i dont know what youre talking about?
you mentioned a firefighter, and you ASSUMED he meant something that he didnt say. thats all.
aluminium cant smash through steel? i just broke a steel bar outside with a peice of aluminium, so it can im afraid?
thermite is NEVER used, and cant be used, for towers this size. explosives cant be made to drop a building from drill holes in concrete, they have to be placed exactly. explosives cant be silent.
these are common sense, i dont have to disprove them
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
I never assumed anything or put words in his mouth like you did, I gave a possible scenrio. When did I say aluminium and smashing steel? and oh yea you juust broke a steel bar outside with a piece of alluminum lol just liek you predicted 9/11.LOL thermite is used and can be used. How would you know what would be used to drop towers this size are you a demoltion expert, I heard multiple demo experts give possible scenerios, And no shit the explosives have to be placed exactly.
kevo1120 3 years ago
i never claimed to have predicted 9/11. i just said that there would be an attack, long before it happened. thats not rocket science, muslims are deranged, and want to kill us all.
i know what would be used to drop the towers because i researched it, thats how.
and how can someone in the basement know that an explosion took place BEFORE the plane hit? they wouldnt know the plane had hit. many people in the basement levels saw the firebomb come down the elevator shaft, but didnt know why.
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
your the fucking moron..i quoted him earlier prooving your dumb ass wrong..he said he was basiclly lost in the building trying to find an exit and he opened a door and it was a closet and he found two bodies in there and was like what the heck is this something is wrong here...basiclly exactly what happened...no your just denying shit..its funny how you call me a moron when your the one who is wrong..you dumb fucking stupid lil biitch moron faaggot
kevo1120 3 years ago
" all of the sudden were looking for another stairwell"
thats NOT looking for an EXIT, lost. and no-one, especially firefighters, mistake a closet with a stairwell, its fairly easy, as stairwells are signposted, arent they?
you just hate the government, and want to blame them for everything.
you are too narrowminded to understand that anything other than greed can be a motive for something.
youre so ignorant of this, you convince yourself its possible to get an entire city to lie about it
w0bbl3r 3 years ago
your an idiot..here is the quote again...word for word.... "all of the sudden were looking for another stairwell, me and the lieutenant OPEN THE DOOR and find a body in this closet"...a CLOSET...
kevo1120 3 years ago
Do some research you will see about all the people who witnessed explosions, who saw explosions and who talk about the explosions in the buildings. and you never replied back about the video. you only reply back rarely about the good points I bring fourth.
kevo1120 3 years ago
and i have never seen anything about people who were in on the JFK assasination comming forward. I have seen witnesses who were threatend and still came forward. witnesses who were at there when the car was passing and saw a ot of stuff who were threatend and still came forward about hearing and seeing more shots than reported but people who were in on the JFK assasination comming forward, i have never seen this. can you show me an article or video????????? never seen this at all
kevo1120 3 years ago