Great Video...My father flew Mustangs as part of 19 Sqn part of the 2nd Tactical Air Force flying out of Ellon in Normandy in 1944, Although I have seen photos of the Mustangs used by the RAF it's great to see an actual video...Even more poignant as he only passed away last year..
Just a shame that the memory of great pilots and aircraft from both sides are being devalued by some of the shameful comments being posted on this site.
top scoop means these are allison engined early mustangs... Brit recon & army co-operation pilots loved the Mustang I speed and ruggedness that they were requesting Merlin versions.....it's said the later re-engined Mustangs before bubble canopy recieved Malcomb hoods which oddly gave them a speed edge over even the full bubble of USAAC models...
American aircraft married with a British engine made for the perfect fighter. To bad it took so long for people to figure out that placing a rolls royce engine inside the P51 was a good idea..
@XxxSakura101 the reason the merlin wasn't originally used was the main point the british approached nth american was they wanted a fighter to take pressure off the production of spitfires and hurricanes which used the merilin. It wasn't till merlin production increased and the americans started licenced producing it themselves that there were plenty to be used for mustang production.
Re my last post, the squadron was based at Sawbridgeworth but on the date of his death, 28.1.44, they flew out of RAF Benson. His aircraft was AM183 & he and the other Mustang shot down with him were jumped on by FW190's.
Have you any idea when & where this film was shot. My dad was a Mustang pilot in Jan 1944 with No2 AC squadron. He was shot down & killed at the end of the month. He was flying out of Sawbridgeworth airfield at the time
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The RAF are the biggest cowards in human history. They shunned the fight man-to-an on the ground, and only dared kill children and nurses. How fucking pathetic!
@Elberiver11 Yes says a person from the country that brought you the holocaust and Einsatzgruppen. Forgive me if I laugh my ass off at a German criticizing a country for killing civilians.
Does anyone know if the Mustangs are firing .303 or .50 caliber guns at those wrecks? The cameramen are pretty close for 1/2 inch rounds. 50's have more velocity, energy, and shrapnel than rifle ammo.
@vermilliontea Sorry but you live in a world of dreams. By that time the F-model of Me109 was already released and it just kicked the lame duck Mustangs to kingdom come
@dopenhagen2009 You don't really know anything, do you? There was no german fighter existing during the war that could give the Allison Mustang any trouble at low altitudes. And as I said in the post I deleted (because I was unpolite) the british unit which operated the Allison Mustang to the end of the war, didn't lose a single plane. Not one.
@Vermiliontea lol they didn´t lose one because they stood in a place where never a german plane appeared. the 190s would beat them easily, no matter what altitude. even the 190 A-models. the later 190 D-models even fucked the P51 D in the ass like a cheap bitch. you don´t know the facts, but just write your patriotic illusions xD
@dopenhagen2009 Well, seriously, you're either an obvious troll, or very uneducated, technically ignorant, historically makebelieve and outright stupid, so that concludes it for me. bye
@dopenhagen2009 P 51D was 16 mph faster than the 190D, had much superior rate of roll and a tighter turning circle. So basically the 190D only ever fucked the P51's ass in your fantasies.
@dopenhagen2009 109F max speed 388 mph, P 51 max speed 437 mph. 109F rate of climb 3345 fpm P 51 3600 fpm. Kicked lame duck mustangs to kingdom come? Sorry not on those stats.
@PimplyButtcheeks even if your stats was true (well they are not, you took the 109B and the P51D) you shouldn´t forget that german pilots were much better so they easily could compensate the planes deficit.
@dopenhagen2009 Dopey, the stats quoted were for the 109F and P51 B-D with merlin. Your favourite 109F was the best 109 but had the usual 109 problem with firepower - only 1 20mm cannon + 2 12.7 mgs, half the firepower of a Spitfire. The thin wings were the problem - no room for cannon. When cannon were added to the 109 wings in pods as per the G, it was fine for killing bombers but the rate of roll was inadequate for dogfighting fighters.
@dopenhagen2009 As for your ongoing obsession with superior German pilot skills I would say 1939-40 Luftwaffe pilots were better trained and more experienced. Mid war generally similar both sides. Late war a minority of veteran Luftwaffe pilots were elite level but due to manpower pressures (as per RAF 1940) majority were undertrained and inexperienced. So depends which when and where you are talking about. Your blind insistence that German = better is misplaced. History proves you wrong.
@Paramore4evr964 lololol, this is just an interpretation of history how you would like it to be. 100, 200, 300 goals by german pilots, that´s all you need to know. I am not obsessed and no paramore-freak can tell me something. Paramore sucks and so do their fans. It´s a lousy and bad done folk-rock-rip off but the right stuff for patriotic redneck boys D
@dopenhagen2009 The Allison Mustangs completely ruled low level. 109's certainly didn't stand a chance. The british unit which flew them to the end of the war didn't lose a single plane. So much for your fantasies about 109s and 190s "easily" kicking them. The difference with the Merlin Mustang was the two-stage kompressor which allowed those Mustangs to also perform at high altitudes, which ofc was the escort mission.
@dopenhagen2009 The Allison Mustangs completely ruled low level. 109's certainly didn't stand a chance. The british unit which flew them to the end of the war didn't lose a single plane. So much for your fantasies about 109s and 190s "easily" kicking them. The difference with the Merlin Mustang was the two-stage kompressor which allowed those Mustangs to also perform at high altitudes, which ofc was the escort mission.
@barbenHGreat to know there are some unreconstructed Aussies still whinging about "Poms" after all these years. I guess its because you are so cut off from the rest of the world. Do you wear one of those hats with the dangly corks as well?LOL.
A fine example of what could be accomplished when the Brits and Americans got past their nationalistic BS and concentrated on actually winning the war.
The Merlin-Rolls engine was given to Packard Motor Company & Packard improved the engine then mass produced it. The original M-Rolls engine was partially mass produced in Britain while packard I do believe improved tolerances & the packard-Rolls was a wee bit better than the original. The Mustang was a USA design & of course used ideas from other planes studied before the war. Atwood from Britain was involved but the engineers' final design was theirs' alone. One engineer had worked for Messie.
@christof139 I thought Atwood was from the States. Somewhere in Kentucky was his birth? Or do you happen to know for sure that he at least grew up in Britain?
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very nice aircraft,its ironic thr with the meat the mustang may never have flown ,if not for the raf ordering them.far better with the merlin though,and this too was a british idea,the raf converted them.
@wks1978 Any film of this type has to be understood and accepted as being a product of its own time context. It is unfair to judge them according to the current state of world affairs.
The P-51A was built by RYAN Aircraft for the British. The A model had an Allison engine that put out full power to 15000 feet. Above that altitude the Germans had better planes. So the P-51A were used by the British for ground attack.
When the British married their Merlin engine with the P-51 BINGO! the modern P-51 was reborn
This version shown here was armed with 8 machine guns, consisting of 4 x 0.50s and 4 x 0.303s. Two of the 0.50s were mounted in the aircrafts lower nose and synchronized with the airscrew. The other six guns were all in the wings, with the two remaining 0.50s mounted in between each of the 0.303 pairs. This plane looks SO sweet wearing RAF camoflage and markings, too!
It looks cool, but the RAF knew that the .303 was doomed at the beginning of the war. A twelve gun Hurricane is just a little too much. It's why i love the Thunderbolt and the Hurricane. Eight is juuust right.
The english just didn't get the "Half inch MG" idea untill later on.
Yep I agree. Eight guns is a formidable configuration indeed. Never been much of a Thunderbolt fan, except for the long range P-47N. The Hurri is a favorite of mine as well. I fly it a lot in IL2 1946.
I can't wait until the Allison Mustangs are finally released for this sim :)
Yes, but it had the Packard-Merlin engine, licensed for production in the U.S. because Rolls Royce didn't have the production facilities to produce large numbers of them.
But tell me, how does "class", win a dogfight?
I'm curious to know just what the Spitfire's air to air combat record was over the skies of Europe. I can't find a source that can help me. I know what the Mustang did, but not the Spitfire.
They were both great planes. But the Spitfire was in the air before the Mustang was even conceived, keeping Britain free so that the Mustang could fly to Germany from bases in Britain.
If the Spitfire was in the air before the Mustang, then it must have a very good number of German planes shot down. i know what the American Mustang did over Europe, but not the Spitfire. Can you, or anyone, MegaBrits, tell me what the Spitfire's air to air combat record was?
The worth of the plane can be determined by what it did against the enemy.
I seem to have no luck finding that answer. Could either of you gentlemen help me with this?
It kept the Nazi's from invading Britain via the Channel, along with the Hurricane and other types (a group effort that = Britain 1, Hitler 0.) And I'm sure you already got stats you'd like to share with everyone about both the BoB and 1944-45 skies over Berlin. Personally, I like both planes BUT there's something about a R-2800 tucked into the nose of a bent-wing carrier based plane that I find most appealing.
No, sorry, I don't have any list. The one you present leaves what?- 683 G planes unaccounted for? I'm still curious as to why you need to find a list AND feel the need to compare it to USSAF p-51 kills over Germany. Britain flew most missions at night and as I understand it had several capable night fighters escorting their bombers. I'm glad the Mustang showed up when it did, but even they didn't provide any relief against the flak that the 17's and 24'sencountered.
orcstr8d, those German planes unaccounted for, would have to most likely be the German fighters lost in the battle. Of course, assuming that the British losses constitute fighters, and throw in whatever German planes were shot down by ground fire, it's obvious that the Germans lost less fighter airplanes. Just how many of those enemy fighters were shot down by the Spitfire is a question.
Strange point you bring up, about fighters not bringing relief from flak. They don't, of course not. They bring relief from enemy fighters, very essential to the daylight bombing raids, which were more hazardous than night raids. The stats show it. On the U.S. side, 10% of all our casualties were in the USAAF.
Anyway, it's been nice conversing with you. It seems I'm just not going to find out what the Spitfire did compared to the Mustang.
And incidentally, the American flown Mustangs over Europe had 4,590 aerial victories, which also included a few ME-262's. It's a safe bet that virtually all those kills were against fighters, and not bombers.
Thank you for your stats SwampFox, that is impressive! I have always loved the B-17 and her crews ( Van Kirk, Ferebee, Beahan-[ crash landed twice on two continents!] and "Major Cobb") and am glad to see how much escort protection it finally got. I know Churchill disproved of the daylight raids early on but changed opinion later. The one thing about night missions that would be scary is the thought of egress in a crippled bomber when it's pitch black.
the pilot of every aircraft in this war done there very best ! But some were up against the doddle bugs. some where in norway,scotland,denmark,poland,italia.etc have some respect. Thank you.
The Spec of the P-51 was a British one, the engine was a Merlin, (the man who invented the wheel INVENTED IT). The mustang ended up with Feranti Gyro -Gunsight, spitty canopy, RR engine flush rivet design etc. Had GB not set the spec it would have NEVER existed.
NA trawled British + European factories in 39 for ideas for a European class fighter.
Its very much a Brit/Eeuropean design and even then Britain improved it beyond beleif.
Finaly the name "Mustang" = what Britain called it.
The American Mustang pilot is what destroyed the Luftwaffe over the skies of Germany. Mustangs flying bomber escort duty, took on the Luftwaffe fighter force, and destroyed it.
Other than flying during the Battle of Britain, just what did the Spitfire do over the skies of Germany?
Here's what really destroyed the German air force. Their serious lack of fuel already in 1943. Germany used most of its fuel for their enormous amount of tank forces which were on the Eastern Front. This where most of their men and equipment went too.
Even Rommel complained he didn't have enough fuel for his tanks in Africa because the lion's share went to Army group east in the USSR.
Read a book or two about WW2, especially about the Germans.
@Wollemand, no, but I bet he knew that a train moving behind enemy lines would be serving the enemy in some way or another and that it's destruction would hinder transport for the enemy. War is neither sentimental or moralistic nor is it compassionate or just on an individual level.
The americans can thank the RAF for the mustang. They approached north american for a fighter to accompany the spitfire and hurricane. Out rolled the mustang. How wierd that the most successfull american fighter of ww11 was first in service with the RAF!!
Actually, the RAF can thank North American's management who changed an order to build P 40s into an order to build a new plane instead, and the NA aeronautical engineers who produced the design into a prototype in 90 days.
These are the Allison powered Mustangs, the USAAF ordered a variant the A 36 Apache to used as a dive bomber.
really? If the RAF hadn't asked for mustang you wouldn't had it, so who thanks who? The army corp wasn't interested in the mustang, so the design was being wasted untill the RAF came along.
it was a world beater when the merlin was installed.
Self had sat on the (British) Air Council Sub-committee One of Self's many tasks was to organize the manufacture of American fighter aircraft for the RAF. At the time only the Curtiss P40. The Curtiss-Wright was running at capacity. Self asked if NAA could manufacture the Tomahawk under license from Curtiss.Kindelberger replied that NAA could have a better aircraft with the same engine in the air in less time than it would take to set up a production line for the P-40.
If it wasn't for Self and NAA's Kindelberger there wouldn't be a Mustang. The USAAF wasn't even considering another Fighter powered by Allison engines at the time. The P-40 and the P-38 required the Engines.
The RAF was shopping for P-40s as a stop gap fighter and North American Aviation offered to build them a "better" airplane. The RAF did not ask for the Mustang, NAA suggested a new design. This was the Genesis. The earlier P40 was a low to medium alt interdiction and recon plan the Allison powered P-51s couldn't handle the altitude. The RAF mating a Rolls Royce Engine to the P-51 airframe was the great contribution. The RR P-51 was a late comer. The P-38 and P-47 had carried the ball.
Your missing the point here, it doesn't matter if the raf was looking for the p-40 (which the RAF used to good effect in north africa and the pacific with the RNZAF) or not, the point is if the RAF hadn't been offered the mustang it would had taken a hell of alot longer to get into service if it all.
In which I am in full agreement, without the RAFs need for a Single Engine fighter there would not be a Mustang.
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The US would have kept to the P-38 and P-47. Ironically, when the P-40 was mated to a Rolls Royce Engine (the Allison Engines had intended turbo chargers for its engine which went to the P 38 as tungsten was in short supply. The Turbo Chargers were only used in B17, B24 and P47) the P40 airframe performance came alive.
yes i agree, are you talking about the p-40 Q-1 & 2? What i read the performance was still below par compared to later marks of mustang, thunderbolt and the like.
Not on par with the later versions of the P-51 and P-47, but when compared to "contemporary" versions of the Bf109 and the venerable Spitfire, a P-40 with a Rolls Royce engine and a super charger approached being an equal in performance. Later marks of Bf109 and Spitfire exceeded theses experimental P-40s.
The Allison engine didn't come into its own until P-63 and the F-82 Twin Mustang, after the eclipse of Piston Engine. Ironicly, Allison engineers designed with Turbochargers in mind.
Whenever I see a locomotive getting shot up like that, I can only imagine how horrible it would be as an engineer on that thing. The steam cooked them alive.
Awesome, thanks for sharing. Allison Mustangs could romp all over Spits (and anything else) at low altitude, according to british pilots. I have their actual quotes and reports. Where on earth did you find this video?
What you see here are Allison powered early Mustangs over 15000 ft they weren't worth much. It took the mating of the Mustang with the Rolls Royce Merlin to produce a world beating fighter. Their ability to fly to Berlin and back with ease was a major reason why the allies won air superiority over Germany, unthinkable only 3 years earlier.
i've never met bomberguy but i bet i could sit down and talk to him for hours about millitary aviation and not get bored ...best video post as always...
I'm sure the Spitfire with the Griffon 16 cylinder engine is the better fighter, but you can't get to Berlin in one of those.
Offensvily I would want long range Mustangs. Defensively, I would want late war Bf109's with the awesome climb rate, but to save my butt in combat, I want a Spitfire-16.
Saburo Sakai said range/loiter was the most important attribute in a fighter, but then Sakai was an offensive guy by nature. He pitied 109 pilots who had to fight with one eye on the fuel gauge. Sakai also said the Mustang was the best fighter he ever flew, although I doubt he flew any late model Spitfires. I suspect he liked the dive performance, which is one thing even he couldn't squeeze out of a Zero.
Uhh, lets see...in the Spit you set trim with a hammer. In the Zero it becomes impossible to maneuver above about 250 mph. No wonder he liked the Mustang. He discovered what most people realize now, it had less flaws than anything else back then.
His other top priority was field of view, another area in which the 51D excelled. Kind of ironic considering Sakai was blind in one eye. He also placed a premium on weapons reliability. Even at the end of the war he shunned N1K1s for Zeros based on the latter's superiority in range and the reliability of its 7.7mm peashooters.
Lose sight, lose the fight - goes double for an ace with one eye. By the end of the war, it had to be scary going up in ANY Japanese plane. Their industry and supplies were so devastated that even the new planes were falling apart from poor quality control and materials.
Indeed, Sakai also hated the poor workmanship and build quality of the N1K1s. He called it a "third rate plane from a third rate manufacturer," forced down the Navy's throat by the "idiot" Minoru Genda.
Even Japan's best designs were also crippled by lousy fuel quality. Only the US was capable of producing useable quantities of 100 octane avgas. Lucky for the Brits we had plenty to share.
Wonderful footage of the Mustang Mk1 in action, and some are from the No.2 squadron. Early on Mustang XV*E is seen, which is well known through a color photo taken by Charles E. Brown. It was serial number AG-633, the 289th in production, and named Eileen. It was written off in December 1943 after overshooting the runway in bad weather.
The R.A.F.'s High-Speed Flight determined that the fastest piston-engined aircraft in their inventory was the Spitfire PR XIX. As it is almost impossible to push or pull an aeroplane with a propeller in straight and level flight much above 450 knots; claimed air speeds can only be a subjective estimate. From the Gloster Gladiator in 1939 to the Gloster Meteor in 1945 - all within 6 years. Amazing progress!
The ME series were very limited production planes, and saw little use. The 262 could only take off from a few airports, and had a very short time in the air before it was forced to land.
We basically bombed the runways where it could take off, and they were out of the game.
Yeah the Mustang was great, but i dont think the Mustang was the fastest Fighter in the World at this time: there were two german Fighters which are faster:
First, the Messerschmitt Me 163, a small, Roket powerd Interceptor that reaches 955 km/h between 3000 and 9000 Meters Height and second the Messerschmitt Me 262, the first Turbine powerd Fighter in the world that reaches 870 km/h in a Height of 6000 Meters.
Rocket powered interceptors and jets didn't count until 1944-5, even then there were very few in use. I really like the 163, but a mustang doesn't explode on landing!
As early as 1940 the Mig-3 could hit 412 mph, late war planes such as La-7 could do 425 mph. FW190D did 426 mph and the derivative Ta-152 could hit 472 mph!
The Yaks-9s and Lavochkins at least were key fighters throughout the eastern front! Mig-3 wasn't widespread but was successful in the battle of Moscow. Mustangs could hit 437mph, don't tell me they didn't contribute to the war ;P Even thundebolts could do 433mph.
@viewson800, The MiG-3, the La-7 and the FW190D saw widespread use and made significant contributions for their respective air forces, the Ta-152 less so, however, it may have kept a few German late war aces alive...
I personally prefer the Allison-Mustang, because the engine is more reliable and it is faster at low alttitudes. And of course the smooth Sound of the Allison is something one cannot deny...
BEAUTIFUUL!! I have an Allison Mustang (Academy 1/72) in the wardrobe.. It was going to be a Russian Mustang, but maybe not now.. or else I get enother kit.. :) (And I don't even like the Mustang.. he he.. )
Wel, IF I make the Russian one, I'll have to convert the kit, as the guns are wrong.. I'll see what I do, the Russian version is tempting, especially as they didn't have too many.. I don't think they used them operationally.. but I'm not sure.. :P
I probably will, even though I'm currently (and finally) out of my Russian period!! For the time being.. :) :) Still, the decals won't go anywhere, nor will the kit.. Looking forward to doing the conversions needed.. if I can.. :)
Don't mean to be pedantic, but technically the Mustang Mk.I was actually earlier than the P-51A. There was no AAF equivalent to the Mk.I; the first AAF Mustang was equivalent to the RAF's Mustang Mk.IA. In any case, great video! :)
Great Video...My father flew Mustangs as part of 19 Sqn part of the 2nd Tactical Air Force flying out of Ellon in Normandy in 1944, Although I have seen photos of the Mustangs used by the RAF it's great to see an actual video...Even more poignant as he only passed away last year..
Just a shame that the memory of great pilots and aircraft from both sides are being devalued by some of the shameful comments being posted on this site.
Bie0058 2 months ago
top scoop means these are allison engined early mustangs... Brit recon & army co-operation pilots loved the Mustang I speed and ruggedness that they were requesting Merlin versions.....it's said the later re-engined Mustangs before bubble canopy recieved Malcomb hoods which oddly gave them a speed edge over even the full bubble of USAAC models...
crpdst2003 1 year ago
But... It seens, looks so much, a ME109... No vision to back... Like the original...
adauto3000 1 year ago
It's one thing to fly them...but to have live ammo.....heaven
hicks727 1 year ago
American aircraft married with a British engine made for the perfect fighter. To bad it took so long for people to figure out that placing a rolls royce engine inside the P51 was a good idea..
XxxSakura101 1 year ago
@XxxSakura101 the reason the merlin wasn't originally used was the main point the british approached nth american was they wanted a fighter to take pressure off the production of spitfires and hurricanes which used the merilin. It wasn't till merlin production increased and the americans started licenced producing it themselves that there were plenty to be used for mustang production.
pramboy09 10 months ago 3
Tally ho!
SteelScream88 1 year ago
Re my last post, the squadron was based at Sawbridgeworth but on the date of his death, 28.1.44, they flew out of RAF Benson. His aircraft was AM183 & he and the other Mustang shot down with him were jumped on by FW190's.
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Have you any idea when & where this film was shot. My dad was a Mustang pilot in Jan 1944 with No2 AC squadron. He was shot down & killed at the end of the month. He was flying out of Sawbridgeworth airfield at the time
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The RAF are the biggest cowards in human history. They shunned the fight man-to-an on the ground, and only dared kill children and nurses. How fucking pathetic!
Elberiver11 1 year ago
@Elberiver11 Elberiver, you know if I wanted to give my dog the scent of Hitlers balls, I'd have him sniff your chin.
PimplyButtcheeks 1 year ago
@Elberiver11 For your information, my Grandfather was attached to RAF Bomber Command and he and his colleagues were definately not cowards.
RedGoblinus 1 year ago
@Elberiver11 Yes says a person from the country that brought you the holocaust and Einsatzgruppen. Forgive me if I laugh my ass off at a German criticizing a country for killing civilians.
Mcplkelly 1 year ago
@Elberiver11 What about the Blitz
TopGunSGA 1 year ago
@gunnermac70 They didn´t like them because P51 A was boring. They shoot them like a lame duck.... XD
dopenhagen2009 1 year ago
Does anyone know if the Mustangs are firing .303 or .50 caliber guns at those wrecks? The cameramen are pretty close for 1/2 inch rounds. 50's have more velocity, energy, and shrapnel than rifle ammo.
AugustusLarch 1 year ago
@vermilliontea Sorry but you live in a world of dreams. By that time the F-model of Me109 was already released and it just kicked the lame duck Mustangs to kingdom come
dopenhagen2009 1 year ago
@dopenhagen2009 You don't really know anything, do you? There was no german fighter existing during the war that could give the Allison Mustang any trouble at low altitudes. And as I said in the post I deleted (because I was unpolite) the british unit which operated the Allison Mustang to the end of the war, didn't lose a single plane. Not one.
Vermiliontea 1 year ago
@Vermiliontea lol they didn´t lose one because they stood in a place where never a german plane appeared. the 190s would beat them easily, no matter what altitude. even the 190 A-models. the later 190 D-models even fucked the P51 D in the ass like a cheap bitch. you don´t know the facts, but just write your patriotic illusions xD
dopenhagen2009 1 year ago
@dopenhagen2009 Well, seriously, you're either an obvious troll, or very uneducated, technically ignorant, historically makebelieve and outright stupid, so that concludes it for me. bye
Vermiliontea 1 year ago
@dopenhagen2009 P 51D was 16 mph faster than the 190D, had much superior rate of roll and a tighter turning circle. So basically the 190D only ever fucked the P51's ass in your fantasies.
PimplyButtcheeks 1 year ago
@dopenhagen2009 109F max speed 388 mph, P 51 max speed 437 mph. 109F rate of climb 3345 fpm P 51 3600 fpm. Kicked lame duck mustangs to kingdom come? Sorry not on those stats.
PimplyButtcheeks 1 year ago
@PimplyButtcheeks even if your stats was true (well they are not, you took the 109B and the P51D) you shouldn´t forget that german pilots were much better so they easily could compensate the planes deficit.
These are the facts:
109F max speed 625 km/h
P51A max speed 563 km/h
dopenhagen2009 1 year ago
@dopenhagen2009 Dopey, the stats quoted were for the 109F and P51 B-D with merlin. Your favourite 109F was the best 109 but had the usual 109 problem with firepower - only 1 20mm cannon + 2 12.7 mgs, half the firepower of a Spitfire. The thin wings were the problem - no room for cannon. When cannon were added to the 109 wings in pods as per the G, it was fine for killing bombers but the rate of roll was inadequate for dogfighting fighters.
Paramore4evr964 1 year ago
@dopenhagen2009 As for your ongoing obsession with superior German pilot skills I would say 1939-40 Luftwaffe pilots were better trained and more experienced. Mid war generally similar both sides. Late war a minority of veteran Luftwaffe pilots were elite level but due to manpower pressures (as per RAF 1940) majority were undertrained and inexperienced. So depends which when and where you are talking about. Your blind insistence that German = better is misplaced. History proves you wrong.
Paramore4evr964 1 year ago 3
@Paramore4evr964 lololol, this is just an interpretation of history how you would like it to be. 100, 200, 300 goals by german pilots, that´s all you need to know. I am not obsessed and no paramore-freak can tell me something. Paramore sucks and so do their fans. It´s a lousy and bad done folk-rock-rip off but the right stuff for patriotic redneck boys D
dopenhagen2009 1 year ago
@dopenhagen2009 Hey dopey looks like you got owned by a Paramore fan. Ouch!
PimplyButtcheeks 1 year ago
they were only good for attacking farmers and schoolbusses but the 109 aces kicked their asses brown and blue
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@dopenhagen2009 The Allison Mustangs completely ruled low level. 109's certainly didn't stand a chance. The british unit which flew them to the end of the war didn't lose a single plane. So much for your fantasies about 109s and 190s "easily" kicking them. The difference with the Merlin Mustang was the two-stage kompressor which allowed those Mustangs to also perform at high altitudes, which ofc was the escort mission.
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@dopenhagen2009 The Allison Mustangs completely ruled low level. 109's certainly didn't stand a chance. The british unit which flew them to the end of the war didn't lose a single plane. So much for your fantasies about 109s and 190s "easily" kicking them. The difference with the Merlin Mustang was the two-stage kompressor which allowed those Mustangs to also perform at high altitudes, which ofc was the escort mission.
Vermiliontea 1 year ago
that type had the allison engine. it was weak and slow and the 109´s and 190´s easily kicked their asses off. xD
dopenhagen2009 1 year ago
german aces kicked off us and brit asses xD
dopenhagen2009 1 year ago
the poms crashed half the planes [p51`s] that the yanks gave them.
barbenH 1 year ago
@barbenHGreat to know there are some unreconstructed Aussies still whinging about "Poms" after all these years. I guess its because you are so cut off from the rest of the world. Do you wear one of those hats with the dangly corks as well?LOL.
PimplyButtcheeks 1 year ago 2
Awesome Nice up old chap!
Walletofmoths 1 year ago
P-51D Forever)))
alocoa 1 year ago
Oh god that sound, music!
twistednormal 1 year ago
A fine example of what could be accomplished when the Brits and Americans got past their nationalistic BS and concentrated on actually winning the war.
cf80to01 1 year ago
The Merlin-Rolls engine was given to Packard Motor Company & Packard improved the engine then mass produced it. The original M-Rolls engine was partially mass produced in Britain while packard I do believe improved tolerances & the packard-Rolls was a wee bit better than the original. The Mustang was a USA design & of course used ideas from other planes studied before the war. Atwood from Britain was involved but the engineers' final design was theirs' alone. One engineer had worked for Messie.
christof139 1 year ago
@christof139 I thought Atwood was from the States. Somewhere in Kentucky was his birth? Or do you happen to know for sure that he at least grew up in Britain?
orcstr8d 1 year ago
@orcstr8d, You're right. W. Leland Atwood was born in Kentucky.
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Abhinathaw 2 years ago
very nice aircraft,its ironic thr with the meat the mustang may never have flown ,if not for the raf ordering them.far better with the merlin though,and this too was a british idea,the raf converted them.
guysey1 2 years ago
@guysey1 they had Allison engines originally didnt they? underpowered and dirty (smokey)?
twistednormal 1 year ago
This is fantastic footage!
WakeUpDummies 2 years ago
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TheBieneGrrl 2 years ago
I'm so weary of these petty nationalistic debates that pollute almost every video of this sort
wks1978 2 years ago 32
you forgot childish and i agree with you completly
blobby1972 2 years ago
@wks1978 Any film of this type has to be understood and accepted as being a product of its own time context. It is unfair to judge them according to the current state of world affairs.
IRG 1 year ago
I'd give anything to fly one everyday.
spotandedgar 2 years ago
GREAT FOOTAGE
861945japan 2 years ago
The P-51A was built by RYAN Aircraft for the British. The A model had an Allison engine that put out full power to 15000 feet. Above that altitude the Germans had better planes. So the P-51A were used by the British for ground attack.
When the British married their Merlin engine with the P-51 BINGO! the modern P-51 was reborn
atpcfi 2 years ago 4
i pity those locomoties bieng shot at they didnt have AA guns in them?
emforty2 2 years ago
Locomotives are inanimate objects and thus incapable of comprehending the situation when they are attacked.
gcrav 2 years ago
Be it that it was english first, it looks remarkably like a P40 warhawk >.>
And seccondly, Four Heavy MG?
silly brits.
peepeevagi 2 years ago
This version shown here was armed with 8 machine guns, consisting of 4 x 0.50s and 4 x 0.303s. Two of the 0.50s were mounted in the aircrafts lower nose and synchronized with the airscrew. The other six guns were all in the wings, with the two remaining 0.50s mounted in between each of the 0.303 pairs. This plane looks SO sweet wearing RAF camoflage and markings, too!
mrcraig41 2 years ago
It looks cool, but the RAF knew that the .303 was doomed at the beginning of the war. A twelve gun Hurricane is just a little too much. It's why i love the Thunderbolt and the Hurricane. Eight is juuust right.
The english just didn't get the "Half inch MG" idea untill later on.
peepeevagi 2 years ago
Yep I agree. Eight guns is a formidable configuration indeed. Never been much of a Thunderbolt fan, except for the long range P-47N. The Hurri is a favorite of mine as well. I fly it a lot in IL2 1946.
I can't wait until the Allison Mustangs are finally released for this sim :)
mrcraig41 2 years ago
The Spitfire had 'Style'. The Mustang had a Spitfire engine.
hellantv2 2 years ago
"TheSpitfire had style"
Whatever that means.
"The Mustang had a Spitfire engine"
Yes, but it had the Packard-Merlin engine, licensed for production in the U.S. because Rolls Royce didn't have the production facilities to produce large numbers of them.
But tell me, how does "class", win a dogfight?
I'm curious to know just what the Spitfire's air to air combat record was over the skies of Europe. I can't find a source that can help me. I know what the Mustang did, but not the Spitfire.
TheSwampFox2009 2 years ago
They were both great planes. But the Spitfire was in the air before the Mustang was even conceived, keeping Britain free so that the Mustang could fly to Germany from bases in Britain.
orcstr8d 2 years ago
If the Spitfire was in the air before the Mustang, then it must have a very good number of German planes shot down. i know what the American Mustang did over Europe, but not the Spitfire. Can you, or anyone, MegaBrits, tell me what the Spitfire's air to air combat record was?
The worth of the plane can be determined by what it did against the enemy.
I seem to have no luck finding that answer. Could either of you gentlemen help me with this?
TheSwampFox2009 2 years ago
It kept the Nazi's from invading Britain via the Channel, along with the Hurricane and other types (a group effort that = Britain 1, Hitler 0.) And I'm sure you already got stats you'd like to share with everyone about both the BoB and 1944-45 skies over Berlin. Personally, I like both planes BUT there's something about a R-2800 tucked into the nose of a bent-wing carrier based plane that I find most appealing.
orcstr8d 2 years ago
Why yes, I do have the stats on the BoB. The RAF lost 792 planes.
The Luftwaffe lost 1,389 planes. 132 Do-17's, 252 He-111's, 313 Ju-88's, and the Italians lost 6 Br-20's, and 3 Cr-42's.
What I can't seem to find is, how many of the Axis aircraft were shot down by the Spitfires, and how many were shot down due to ground fire.
Perhaps, you have those stats, and would like to share them?
TheSwampFox2009 2 years ago
No, sorry, I don't have any list. The one you present leaves what?- 683 G planes unaccounted for? I'm still curious as to why you need to find a list AND feel the need to compare it to USSAF p-51 kills over Germany. Britain flew most missions at night and as I understand it had several capable night fighters escorting their bombers. I'm glad the Mustang showed up when it did, but even they didn't provide any relief against the flak that the 17's and 24'sencountered.
orcstr8d 2 years ago
orcstr8d, those German planes unaccounted for, would have to most likely be the German fighters lost in the battle. Of course, assuming that the British losses constitute fighters, and throw in whatever German planes were shot down by ground fire, it's obvious that the Germans lost less fighter airplanes. Just how many of those enemy fighters were shot down by the Spitfire is a question.
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TheSwampFox2009 2 years ago
Strange point you bring up, about fighters not bringing relief from flak. They don't, of course not. They bring relief from enemy fighters, very essential to the daylight bombing raids, which were more hazardous than night raids. The stats show it. On the U.S. side, 10% of all our casualties were in the USAAF.
Anyway, it's been nice conversing with you. It seems I'm just not going to find out what the Spitfire did compared to the Mustang.
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TheSwampFox2009 2 years ago
And incidentally, the American flown Mustangs over Europe had 4,590 aerial victories, which also included a few ME-262's. It's a safe bet that virtually all those kills were against fighters, and not bombers.
Have a nice day.
TheSwampFox2009 2 years ago
Thank you for your stats SwampFox, that is impressive! I have always loved the B-17 and her crews ( Van Kirk, Ferebee, Beahan-[ crash landed twice on two continents!] and "Major Cobb") and am glad to see how much escort protection it finally got. I know Churchill disproved of the daylight raids early on but changed opinion later. The one thing about night missions that would be scary is the thought of egress in a crippled bomber when it's pitch black.
orcstr8d 2 years ago
the pilot of every aircraft in this war done there very best ! But some were up against the doddle bugs. some where in norway,scotland,denmark,poland,italia.etc have some respect. Thank you.
rjhnewton 2 years ago
The Spec of the P-51 was a British one, the engine was a Merlin, (the man who invented the wheel INVENTED IT). The mustang ended up with Feranti Gyro -Gunsight, spitty canopy, RR engine flush rivet design etc. Had GB not set the spec it would have NEVER existed.
NA trawled British + European factories in 39 for ideas for a European class fighter.
Its very much a Brit/Eeuropean design and even then Britain improved it beyond beleif.
Finaly the name "Mustang" = what Britain called it.
MegaBrits 2 years ago
The American Mustang pilot is what destroyed the Luftwaffe over the skies of Germany. Mustangs flying bomber escort duty, took on the Luftwaffe fighter force, and destroyed it.
Other than flying during the Battle of Britain, just what did the Spitfire do over the skies of Germany?
TheSwampFox2009 2 years ago
@TheSwampFox2009
Here's what really destroyed the German air force. Their serious lack of fuel already in 1943. Germany used most of its fuel for their enormous amount of tank forces which were on the Eastern Front. This where most of their men and equipment went too.
Even Rommel complained he didn't have enough fuel for his tanks in Africa because the lion's share went to Army group east in the USSR.
Read a book or two about WW2, especially about the Germans.
McLarenMercedes 1 year ago
bet that pilot-officer couldnt tell a french traindriver from a german..
Wollemand 2 years ago
@Wollemand, no, but I bet he knew that a train moving behind enemy lines would be serving the enemy in some way or another and that it's destruction would hinder transport for the enemy. War is neither sentimental or moralistic nor is it compassionate or just on an individual level.
pete2778 10 months ago
Typhoon was a lot better than the Mustang 1A..... and i heard that from the horses mouth so to speak!!!!
lupo0144 2 years ago
Absolutely, the Typhoon was feared over Europe as the first "Tank cracker".
MegaBrits 2 years ago
The americans can thank the RAF for the mustang. They approached north american for a fighter to accompany the spitfire and hurricane. Out rolled the mustang. How wierd that the most successfull american fighter of ww11 was first in service with the RAF!!
pramboy74 3 years ago 3
Actually, the RAF can thank North American's management who changed an order to build P 40s into an order to build a new plane instead, and the NA aeronautical engineers who produced the design into a prototype in 90 days.
These are the Allison powered Mustangs, the USAAF ordered a variant the A 36 Apache to used as a dive bomber.
Renshen1957 3 years ago 2
really? If the RAF hadn't asked for mustang you wouldn't had it, so who thanks who? The army corp wasn't interested in the mustang, so the design was being wasted untill the RAF came along.
it was a world beater when the merlin was installed.
pramboy74 3 years ago
Self had sat on the (British) Air Council Sub-committee One of Self's many tasks was to organize the manufacture of American fighter aircraft for the RAF. At the time only the Curtiss P40. The Curtiss-Wright was running at capacity. Self asked if NAA could manufacture the Tomahawk under license from Curtiss.Kindelberger replied that NAA could have a better aircraft with the same engine in the air in less time than it would take to set up a production line for the P-40.
Renshen1957 3 years ago 3
Then we thank his forsight in getting the mustang into service earlier than the air force would had.
pramboy74 3 years ago
If it wasn't for Self and NAA's Kindelberger there wouldn't be a Mustang. The USAAF wasn't even considering another Fighter powered by Allison engines at the time. The P-40 and the P-38 required the Engines.
Renshen1957 3 years ago
Then isn't that the point then? if the raf hadn't asked for the mustang it wouldn't had happened or came in too late to make a difference?
pramboy74 3 years ago
The RAF was shopping for P-40s as a stop gap fighter and North American Aviation offered to build them a "better" airplane. The RAF did not ask for the Mustang, NAA suggested a new design. This was the Genesis. The earlier P40 was a low to medium alt interdiction and recon plan the Allison powered P-51s couldn't handle the altitude. The RAF mating a Rolls Royce Engine to the P-51 airframe was the great contribution. The RR P-51 was a late comer. The P-38 and P-47 had carried the ball.
Renshen1957 3 years ago 3
Your missing the point here, it doesn't matter if the raf was looking for the p-40 (which the RAF used to good effect in north africa and the pacific with the RNZAF) or not, the point is if the RAF hadn't been offered the mustang it would had taken a hell of alot longer to get into service if it all.
pramboy74 3 years ago
In which I am in full agreement, without the RAFs need for a Single Engine fighter there would not be a Mustang.
The constraints of 500 character limit.
The US would have kept to the P-38 and P-47. Ironically, when the P-40 was mated to a Rolls Royce Engine (the Allison Engines had intended turbo chargers for its engine which went to the P 38 as tungsten was in short supply. The Turbo Chargers were only used in B17, B24 and P47) the P40 airframe performance came alive.
Renshen1957 3 years ago 2
yes i agree, are you talking about the p-40 Q-1 & 2? What i read the performance was still below par compared to later marks of mustang, thunderbolt and the like.
pramboy74 3 years ago
Not on par with the later versions of the P-51 and P-47, but when compared to "contemporary" versions of the Bf109 and the venerable Spitfire, a P-40 with a Rolls Royce engine and a super charger approached being an equal in performance. Later marks of Bf109 and Spitfire exceeded theses experimental P-40s.
The Allison engine didn't come into its own until P-63 and the F-82 Twin Mustang, after the eclipse of Piston Engine. Ironicly, Allison engineers designed with Turbochargers in mind.
Renshen1957 3 years ago
"contemporary" versions of 109 and spitfire i persume you mean 109k and Mk IX spitfire of 1943-4.
pramboy74 3 years ago
Any more footage of the RAF Mustang???
johnbakoda 3 years ago
Whenever I see a locomotive getting shot up like that, I can only imagine how horrible it would be as an engineer on that thing. The steam cooked them alive.
taofledermaus 3 years ago
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poopypoohbum 3 years ago
great videos!
Thx to the poster.
syntaxerror9 3 years ago
nothin' sexier than a Mustang III, B/C and the D variants!
Crawlerz246 3 years ago
Uh... what about a porn star led with her legs open saying "Do it to me now"?
poopypoohbum 3 years ago
depends on the "porn" star I guess
Crawlerz246 3 years ago
Awesome, thanks for sharing. Allison Mustangs could romp all over Spits (and anything else) at low altitude, according to british pilots. I have their actual quotes and reports. Where on earth did you find this video?
psychoslaphead 3 years ago
They were faster, but not a match in a close in dogfight.
Xiolablu3 3 years ago
What you see here are Allison powered early Mustangs over 15000 ft they weren't worth much. It took the mating of the Mustang with the Rolls Royce Merlin to produce a world beating fighter. Their ability to fly to Berlin and back with ease was a major reason why the allies won air superiority over Germany, unthinkable only 3 years earlier.
MechelenManiac 3 years ago
Nice video look my response about P-51D
JSF122386 3 years ago
someone said: the cadillac of the air
walkandlookup 3 years ago
raf propaganda nice vid through
thanks
terryjohn 3 years ago
i've never met bomberguy but i bet i could sit down and talk to him for hours about millitary aviation and not get bored ...best video post as always...
1z1q 3 years ago
Wow soo badass!! "...within a hundred meters" Damn I'd piss myself
nwcafesurfer 3 years ago
I'm sure the Spitfire with the Griffon 16 cylinder engine is the better fighter, but you can't get to Berlin in one of those.
Offensvily I would want long range Mustangs. Defensively, I would want late war Bf109's with the awesome climb rate, but to save my butt in combat, I want a Spitfire-16.
weirdguy7 3 years ago
The griffon was a 12 cylinder engine not 16. I wish though.
joetoorivers 3 years ago
Saburo Sakai said range/loiter was the most important attribute in a fighter, but then Sakai was an offensive guy by nature. He pitied 109 pilots who had to fight with one eye on the fuel gauge. Sakai also said the Mustang was the best fighter he ever flew, although I doubt he flew any late model Spitfires. I suspect he liked the dive performance, which is one thing even he couldn't squeeze out of a Zero.
GoodSoldierSvejk 3 years ago
Uhh, lets see...in the Spit you set trim with a hammer. In the Zero it becomes impossible to maneuver above about 250 mph. No wonder he liked the Mustang. He discovered what most people realize now, it had less flaws than anything else back then.
psychoslaphead 3 years ago
His other top priority was field of view, another area in which the 51D excelled. Kind of ironic considering Sakai was blind in one eye. He also placed a premium on weapons reliability. Even at the end of the war he shunned N1K1s for Zeros based on the latter's superiority in range and the reliability of its 7.7mm peashooters.
GoodSoldierSvejk 3 years ago
Lose sight, lose the fight - goes double for an ace with one eye. By the end of the war, it had to be scary going up in ANY Japanese plane. Their industry and supplies were so devastated that even the new planes were falling apart from poor quality control and materials.
psychoslaphead 3 years ago
Indeed, Sakai also hated the poor workmanship and build quality of the N1K1s. He called it a "third rate plane from a third rate manufacturer," forced down the Navy's throat by the "idiot" Minoru Genda.
Even Japan's best designs were also crippled by lousy fuel quality. Only the US was capable of producing useable quantities of 100 octane avgas. Lucky for the Brits we had plenty to share.
GoodSoldierSvejk 3 years ago
Wonderful footage of the Mustang Mk1 in action, and some are from the No.2 squadron. Early on Mustang XV*E is seen, which is well known through a color photo taken by Charles E. Brown. It was serial number AG-633, the 289th in production, and named Eileen. It was written off in December 1943 after overshooting the runway in bad weather.
stevek427 3 years ago
The P51 was no good without a heart - and it was Rolls Royce who gave it one.
copewood333 3 years ago 4
Do you mean the Rolls Royce Merlin or the Packard Merlin?
kbroma01 3 years ago 2
P51 won the war! And gibbage is a tard
CWOSONIAN 3 years ago
p51 won the war..what a load of garbage
wartmcbeighn 3 years ago 2
The P51 didn't win the war, but what did Canada contribute to the war that was one of the larger contributors to ending the war.
kbroma01 3 years ago
SOOOOO COOOLL!!!!!!
My favorit WW11 fighter!!
thegarlands04 3 years ago
The R.A.F.'s High-Speed Flight determined that the fastest piston-engined aircraft in their inventory was the Spitfire PR XIX. As it is almost impossible to push or pull an aeroplane with a propeller in straight and level flight much above 450 knots; claimed air speeds can only be a subjective estimate. From the Gloster Gladiator in 1939 to the Gloster Meteor in 1945 - all within 6 years. Amazing progress!
ghbg00107 4 years ago
PRXIX: you're right, considering the end of the war. But at the time Mustangs appeared in the RAF (1943), it was the fastest fighter plane.
deck614 3 years ago
wat color is this plane
xvl3tk0ng 4 years ago
well, most are painted different than another. It's hard to say.
shaddowsword 4 years ago
well, most are painted different than another. It's hard to say.
shaddowsword 4 years ago
well, most are painted different than another. It's hard to say.
shaddowsword 4 years ago
shaddowsword: were most of them painted different than another? Or is it hard to say?
Easy now, just jokin' around.
Jackle61 3 years ago
my fav plane. the p51d for me is good but for me i didnt like how they made the cockpit so yea wateevr this si my fave 1 p51a
xvl3tk0ng 4 years ago
The ME series were very limited production planes, and saw little use. The 262 could only take off from a few airports, and had a very short time in the air before it was forced to land.
We basically bombed the runways where it could take off, and they were out of the game.
catfishhunters99 4 years ago
let me guess ur german! i think the spit will woop it. and i aint british. im american
KILLJOY781 4 years ago
Yeah the Mustang was great, but i dont think the Mustang was the fastest Fighter in the World at this time: there were two german Fighters which are faster:
First, the Messerschmitt Me 163, a small, Roket powerd Interceptor that reaches 955 km/h between 3000 and 9000 Meters Height and second the Messerschmitt Me 262, the first Turbine powerd Fighter in the world that reaches 870 km/h in a Height of 6000 Meters.
Olli120 4 years ago
Rocket powered interceptors and jets didn't count until 1944-5, even then there were very few in use. I really like the 163, but a mustang doesn't explode on landing!
SmiertSpionem 4 years ago
Yeah!, we are talking about piston driven aircraft, not jets. The fastest pist0n driven plane in WW2 is the British 408 mph De Havalland Mosquito
viewson800 4 years ago 2
As early as 1940 the Mig-3 could hit 412 mph, late war planes such as La-7 could do 425 mph. FW190D did 426 mph and the derivative Ta-152 could hit 472 mph!
SmiertSpionem 4 years ago
But I don't recall any of these planes you mentioned entering service and make any contribution to the war effort.
viewson800 4 years ago
The Yaks-9s and Lavochkins at least were key fighters throughout the eastern front! Mig-3 wasn't widespread but was successful in the battle of Moscow. Mustangs could hit 437mph, don't tell me they didn't contribute to the war ;P Even thundebolts could do 433mph.
SmiertSpionem 4 years ago
@viewson800, The MiG-3, the La-7 and the FW190D saw widespread use and made significant contributions for their respective air forces, the Ta-152 less so, however, it may have kept a few German late war aces alive...
pete2778 10 months ago
The Mosquito was so fast because it was all wood! They were made in a piano factory.
SmiertSpionem 4 years ago
Huh? The fastest production piston engined plane in WW2 was the P-51H. 487 mph.
psychoslaphead 3 years ago
heheh, it's all true! Shame they had to make a butt ugly (and slower) bubble top version, the MkIII was beauty and perfection IMHO ;)
SmiertSpionem 4 years ago
I do like that bubble top P51D more :)
xmeda 4 years ago 2
So true!
penjo 3 years ago
hey there ;)
SmiertSpionem 3 years ago
it was the rolls royce merlin engine that made this plane the legend it was
merseyside 4 years ago 2
I personally prefer the Allison-Mustang, because the engine is more reliable and it is faster at low alttitudes. And of course the smooth Sound of the Allison is something one cannot deny...
laule17 4 years ago
Such beauty compared with the ugly (and slower) bubble canopy version! I'm making one in 1/72 scale.
SmiertSpionem 4 years ago
BEAUTIFUUL!! I have an Allison Mustang (Academy 1/72) in the wardrobe.. It was going to be a Russian Mustang, but maybe not now.. or else I get enother kit.. :) (And I don't even like the Mustang.. he he.. )
KurtGnu 4 years ago
Yeah, me, I hate the things! I will be building that same academy soon as the plane of Stanislaw 'Super Pole' Skalski ;)
SmiertSpionem 4 years ago
Wel, IF I make the Russian one, I'll have to convert the kit, as the guns are wrong.. I'll see what I do, the Russian version is tempting, especially as they didn't have too many.. I don't think they used them operationally.. but I'm not sure.. :P
KurtGnu 4 years ago
I reckon the Russian markings are worth it, a very rare subject (definately video material, if only you could find photos to go with it!) ;)
SmiertSpionem 4 years ago
I probably will, even though I'm currently (and finally) out of my Russian period!! For the time being.. :) :) Still, the decals won't go anywhere, nor will the kit.. Looking forward to doing the conversions needed.. if I can.. :)
KurtGnu 4 years ago
Don't mean to be pedantic, but technically the Mustang Mk.I was actually earlier than the P-51A. There was no AAF equivalent to the Mk.I; the first AAF Mustang was equivalent to the RAF's Mustang Mk.IA. In any case, great video! :)
galedono 4 years ago
Keep 'em coming, Bomberguy!
denberg2 4 years ago