Dinosaurs were the dominant terrestrial vertebrates for over 160 million years, from the late Triassic period (230 million years ago) until the end of the Cretaceous period (65 million years ago), when the Cretaceous–Tertiary extinction event caused the extinction of most dinosaur species, except for some birds.
@gregrutz Look at Job 40-41. Of course behemoth and leviathan are not called dinosaurs because the word dinosaur wasn't invented until the year 1841. These are real creatures that Job is told to look at.
@gregrutz That's your preference. I happen to believe that God knows a lot more than us puny humans trying to work with a mere 5 faulty senses. By the way, the word "circle" is the same word for "sphere" in the original Hebrew. God always knew it was a sphere, obviously. The problem is is that you don't believe God, but you believe man is great. That is a big problem.
@gregrutz What led you to the opinion that people made up the God of the Bible? Over 40 authors from 3 continents over 3,000 years all claiming to speak for God thousands of times and all saying one consistent message? The fulfilled prophecies alone are enough for me to believe that no man could make up the Bible. It is truly the Word of God. It has also transformed millions of lives including mine.
@gregrutz I don't get the connection. We start from what we know is true. We can do a lot with science - which many Christian scientists (most of the famous ones of the past) have shown, but we cannot know history with science. We can speculate a lot - but only God knows it all. If you can prove that dinosaurs ruled the earth for 160 million years then that would be a different story. Obviously man cannot.
@gregrutz Open your eyes, dinosaurs are real, the fossil record is partially real, but your dating is really messed up and twisted by the worldview of naturalism.
@gregrutz Here we go with the name calling. When one doesn't have a logical argument people resort to this. Christians look at nature, love nature and appreciate it for what it really is, the amazing work of God. There is a reason that science got rolling with Bible believers. All of the major branches/areas of science were started by Christians. I personally love science and nature - but I don't worship it or myself. There is a reason for all this order we find.
@mandminjapan Logical arguments don't work on IDiots who don't understand logic. It doesn't work on brainwashed religious people who don't look at the evidence.
@mandminjapan ''but we cannot know history with science'' Ever here of Geology, Paleontology or Archeology? Even Astronomy looks at the past, starlight millions of years old.
@gregrutz Do you think you will convince anyone with your amazing insults? It is kind of funny that you think I am an idiot and yet you "waste" your time speaking to me. Back to reality - All of these sciences can only give CLUES to the past. They cannot give facts. I definitely believe that if these sciences are used correctly they point to a Creator God, and to a young earth. Look at answersin genesis dot org for more. Of course I know that you will only attack this site as well.
@dominatorN4 - Why is the same concept found around the world in nearly every culture? Why is the same concept in the Bible, as if it were something we could actually go find in Job's time? Why are they so similar to dinosaurs - though people today assume that ancient people never saw a dinosaur? That is plenty of evidence.
@mandminjapan How is it evidence? Also pointing to the bible isn't a good idea because that is almost as valid as the greek,norse,etc etc myths.
Also dragons are reptiles sure, but they breathe fire, have bat wings, have other numerous properties that aren't similar to dinosaurs , in fact most likely people were looking at crodiles or lizards of some sort, that doesn't imply dinosaurs whom were long extinct when the first books were being written down.
@dominatorN4 I think it comes down to this. I trust the Bible completely, you don't. That is a big difference. That is a watershed in all realms. I have lots of evidence as to why I believe the Bible to be true. If you'd like, I could list some of that out for you. I do pray though that you wouldn't close your mind to the pursuit of God. He is real and He loves you.
@Poodleinacan And that is your belief founded on the philosophy of naturalism. Something like a dragon seems to have existed in many parts of the world. This belief is based on historical and scientific evidence.
@mandminjapan Read the online Aig article "Doesn’t Carbon-14 Dating Disprove the Bible?". Then read the article "Radiometric dating" on wikipeadia.
You'll note how AIG insists C-14 cannot prove the age of the earth (which scientist know it it can't) However, radiometric dating also invcludes Potassium-argon dating and other methods that can. AiG lie by omission, you repeat their lies, you are a liar and according to some, liars burn in hell (exodus 20:16).
@moodydaniel If you would do a simple search of potassium-argon dating at AiG, you would find your answers. There is no omission there that I am aware of. Praise God that by his grace liars can be saved and turned into truth-tellers.
@mandminjapan All my search found was more lies. Continue to delude yourself, continue to spread lies and continue to betray the saviour you claim to believe in.
@moodydaniel All I see hear is rhetoric. If you can show me by calm and rational science, I may attempt to listen to you. Right now all I hear is hate spewing from you, not love. My Savior's path is the way of love, not hate.
@mandminjapan Anything you hear that disagrees with you will be dismissed as rhetoric or hate, all calm reasoned science will be countered with AiG deceits. I've offered you alternate sources of information, scared as you are of reading them you repeatedly return to the pseudo science of AiG without even looking at them. I have at least had the courtesy to read the AiG info, you lack the courage to look beyond their rose tinted lies. You spread lies, you will burn,
@moodydaniel I have looked at the site you recommended numerous times, as I am a science teacher. Please don't accuse me of things you have not observed... which is a good lesson here for everyone!
@mandminjapan Really? Yet you've not critiqued it at all, just pointed to AiG? Do you really teach science? At what level, Kindergarden? I doubt this is true.
@moodydaniel Where is the argument you want critiqued? Should I critique the whole website? All I hear are false accusations, hateful speech and rhetoric from you. If you continue I will simply have to stop responding to you.
@mandminjapan No, it doesn't. It's just your unwillingness to actually learn about it that permits you to understand what it's all about and remain in your fairytale of ignorance and make up nonsense about actual live dragons. It's particularly amusing that you refer to it as "macro-evolution" which is really just a word that creationists use these days. The only difference between "micro" and "macro" evolution is time scale.
@KristusTF It is sad that atheists always play the ignorance card as if they are all-knowing. Macro-evolution is evolution at the genus level, which has never been observed and is thus not true science. As you like to say, it is a fairytale of human ignorance.
@mandminjapan I don't know everything. But at least I am informed. I don't make unsubstantiated claims. I don't latch on to old debunked crap as if it had any veracity at all. And I don't pretend that I know shit I have no clue about.
Besides. Even if the theory of evolution was proven false tomorrow. Which it won't I might ad, since it's been rigorously tested by real scientists (IE not those yahoos at the Discovery Institute, Ken Ham etc) for the last 150 years. The mountain of evidence...
@mandminjapan ... that Evolution is resting on is insurmountable. While the staggering pit from the lack of evidence for your God i (none) is equally unexcapable. Even if Evolution would be disproved. It wouldn't do a single thing to prove the veracity of the biblical claims. Nothing, zero. It wouldn't make your religion any more true. Just as it wouldn't make any of the other thousands of religions/cults any more likely to be true either.
@KristusTF Thank you for your very biased an uninformed opinion. The theory of evolution cannot be proven false as it is not testable or falsifiable. It is a religion just like thousands you like to hate. I am sorry for your hate. I hope it does not eat you up, but you turn to the way of love instead.
@mandminjapan The theory of evolution predicts organisms will change according to environmental changes. This has been observed both in the laboratory (bacteria) and the wild (Peppered moths). Evolution has been proven, its key prediction has been observed. You're ignorant :(
@mandminjapan Oh, I will not use answers in genesis as a source, they're a theological organisation that deliberately misrepresent and lie about science. If YOU wish to learn, take a look at talkorigins. org/faqs/dinosaur/flesh.html
Dinosaurs were the dominant terrestrial vertebrates for over 160 million years, from the late Triassic period (230 million years ago) until the end of the Cretaceous period (65 million years ago), when the Cretaceous–Tertiary extinction event caused the extinction of most dinosaur species, except for some birds.
gregrutz 2 months ago
Does the Bible talk about dinosaurs?
NO, it talks about dragons.
gregrutz 2 months ago
@gregrutz Look at Job 40-41. Of course behemoth and leviathan are not called dinosaurs because the word dinosaur wasn't invented until the year 1841. These are real creatures that Job is told to look at.
mandminjapan 2 months ago
@mandminjapan JOB 40:
15 Behold now behemoth
16 His strength is in his loins and his force is in the navel of his belly.
Dinosaurs come from eggs, THEY DON’T HAVE NAVELS
gregrutz 2 months ago
@gregrutz All the translations I have ever seen say "loins" not "navel". Which translation are you using?
mandminjapan 2 months ago
@mandminjapan I don't get my science for the Bible, I study Science.
The men who wrote the bible thought the earth was flat, read the first page.
Isaiah 40 : 22-24
“He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers.”
I can draw a circle on a flat piece of paper, they are 2D. FLAT.
gregrutz 2 months ago
@gregrutz That's your preference. I happen to believe that God knows a lot more than us puny humans trying to work with a mere 5 faulty senses. By the way, the word "circle" is the same word for "sphere" in the original Hebrew. God always knew it was a sphere, obviously. The problem is is that you don't believe God, but you believe man is great. That is a big problem.
mandminjapan 2 months ago
@mandminjapan No, I believe in God but not your book.
gregrutz 2 months ago
@mandminjapan No, I believe in God but not your book.
gregrutz 2 months ago
@gregrutz Which God do you believe in?
mandminjapan 2 months ago
@mandminjapan I think my God is just as good as the ones other people made up.
gregrutz 2 months ago
@gregrutz What led you to the opinion that people made up the God of the Bible? Over 40 authors from 3 continents over 3,000 years all claiming to speak for God thousands of times and all saying one consistent message? The fulfilled prophecies alone are enough for me to believe that no man could make up the Bible. It is truly the Word of God. It has also transformed millions of lives including mine.
mandminjapan 2 months ago
@mandminjapan That's nice but it does not explain dinosaurs ruling the earth for 160 million years.
gregrutz 2 months ago
@gregrutz I don't get the connection. We start from what we know is true. We can do a lot with science - which many Christian scientists (most of the famous ones of the past) have shown, but we cannot know history with science. We can speculate a lot - but only God knows it all. If you can prove that dinosaurs ruled the earth for 160 million years then that would be a different story. Obviously man cannot.
mandminjapan 2 months ago
@mandminjapan Open your eyes, dinosaurs are real, the fossil record is real. We know when they lived.
gregrutz 2 months ago
@gregrutz Open your eyes, dinosaurs are real, the fossil record is partially real, but your dating is really messed up and twisted by the worldview of naturalism.
mandminjapan 2 months ago
@mandminjapan Your world view is called brainwashed. Looking at nature is not a worldview.
gregrutz 2 months ago
@gregrutz Here we go with the name calling. When one doesn't have a logical argument people resort to this. Christians look at nature, love nature and appreciate it for what it really is, the amazing work of God. There is a reason that science got rolling with Bible believers. All of the major branches/areas of science were started by Christians. I personally love science and nature - but I don't worship it or myself. There is a reason for all this order we find.
mandminjapan 2 months ago
@mandminjapan Logical arguments don't work on IDiots who don't understand logic. It doesn't work on brainwashed religious people who don't look at the evidence.
gregrutz 2 months ago
@mandminjapan ''but we cannot know history with science'' Ever here of Geology, Paleontology or Archeology? Even Astronomy looks at the past, starlight millions of years old.
gregrutz 2 months ago
@gregrutz Do you think you will convince anyone with your amazing insults? It is kind of funny that you think I am an idiot and yet you "waste" your time speaking to me. Back to reality - All of these sciences can only give CLUES to the past. They cannot give facts. I definitely believe that if these sciences are used correctly they point to a Creator God, and to a young earth. Look at answersin genesis dot org for more. Of course I know that you will only attack this site as well.
mandminjapan 2 months ago
@mandminjapan AIG LOL, You might as well tell me to read the bible or watch a Kent Hovind video.
Read a science book.
gregrutz 2 months ago
@gregrutz Rhetoric, rhetoric. Name calling, hate. I'm sorry the conversation has to end here. God's best to you, my friend.
mandminjapan 2 months ago
@mandminjapan i havetimetowait till you are gone grutzfor goodnoore cartoon boy
thoostorm4 1 month ago
What could have inspired the minotaur? The cyclops? Heck what inspired the vampire? Ghosts?
Mythology is created throught the human mind, you are working with myths not evidence.
dominatorN4 3 months ago
@dominatorN4 - Why is the same concept found around the world in nearly every culture? Why is the same concept in the Bible, as if it were something we could actually go find in Job's time? Why are they so similar to dinosaurs - though people today assume that ancient people never saw a dinosaur? That is plenty of evidence.
mandminjapan 3 months ago
@mandminjapan How is it evidence? Also pointing to the bible isn't a good idea because that is almost as valid as the greek,norse,etc etc myths.
Also dragons are reptiles sure, but they breathe fire, have bat wings, have other numerous properties that aren't similar to dinosaurs , in fact most likely people were looking at crodiles or lizards of some sort, that doesn't imply dinosaurs whom were long extinct when the first books were being written down.
dominatorN4 3 months ago
@dominatorN4 I think it comes down to this. I trust the Bible completely, you don't. That is a big difference. That is a watershed in all realms. I have lots of evidence as to why I believe the Bible to be true. If you'd like, I could list some of that out for you. I do pray though that you wouldn't close your mind to the pursuit of God. He is real and He loves you.
mandminjapan 3 months ago
Random fact: George Noory, from the radio show Coast to Coast AM, was named after St. George the Dragon Slayer.
PunxsutawneyPhyl 4 months ago
@mandminjapan And when did they dissapear?
pochopaz7381 7 months ago
@pochopaz7381 Most seemed to have gone extinct soon after the flood though probably some continued to live for hundreds of more years after that.
mandminjapan 7 months ago
And when did they dissapear?
pochopaz7381 7 months ago
dragons never lived...but dinosaurs did, millions of years ago.
Poodleinacan 7 months ago
@Poodleinacan And that is your belief founded on the philosophy of naturalism. Something like a dragon seems to have existed in many parts of the world. This belief is based on historical and scientific evidence.
mandminjapan 7 months ago
@mandminjapan Read the online Aig article "Doesn’t Carbon-14 Dating Disprove the Bible?". Then read the article "Radiometric dating" on wikipeadia.
You'll note how AIG insists C-14 cannot prove the age of the earth (which scientist know it it can't) However, radiometric dating also invcludes Potassium-argon dating and other methods that can. AiG lie by omission, you repeat their lies, you are a liar and according to some, liars burn in hell (exodus 20:16).
moodydaniel 9 months ago
@moodydaniel If you would do a simple search of potassium-argon dating at AiG, you would find your answers. There is no omission there that I am aware of. Praise God that by his grace liars can be saved and turned into truth-tellers.
mandminjapan 9 months ago
@mandminjapan All my search found was more lies. Continue to delude yourself, continue to spread lies and continue to betray the saviour you claim to believe in.
moodydaniel 9 months ago
@moodydaniel All I see hear is rhetoric. If you can show me by calm and rational science, I may attempt to listen to you. Right now all I hear is hate spewing from you, not love. My Savior's path is the way of love, not hate.
mandminjapan 9 months ago
@mandminjapan Anything you hear that disagrees with you will be dismissed as rhetoric or hate, all calm reasoned science will be countered with AiG deceits. I've offered you alternate sources of information, scared as you are of reading them you repeatedly return to the pseudo science of AiG without even looking at them. I have at least had the courtesy to read the AiG info, you lack the courage to look beyond their rose tinted lies. You spread lies, you will burn,
moodydaniel 9 months ago
@moodydaniel I have looked at the site you recommended numerous times, as I am a science teacher. Please don't accuse me of things you have not observed... which is a good lesson here for everyone!
mandminjapan 9 months ago
@mandminjapan Really? Yet you've not critiqued it at all, just pointed to AiG? Do you really teach science? At what level, Kindergarden? I doubt this is true.
moodydaniel 9 months ago
@moodydaniel Where is the argument you want critiqued? Should I critique the whole website? All I hear are false accusations, hateful speech and rhetoric from you. If you continue I will simply have to stop responding to you.
mandminjapan 9 months ago
answersingenesis.
org/
articles/am/v5/n1/not-dry-bones
mandminjapan 10 months ago
They're referring to protein remnants discovered by Mary Scweitzer, which isn't really "soft tissue" or "blood cells" as creationists describe them.
What I find most amusing about this very amusing video is that they even manages to get the St. George story wrong.
GeneticMishap 10 months ago 2
Dinosaur soft tissue has been discovered? Where? What's the source? This video is a load of fossilised dino poop
moodydaniel 10 months ago 2
@moodydaniel Well you've already made your decision before you've seen the data. That is not what a true scientist does.
mandminjapan 10 months ago
@mandminjapan The data has to come from somewhere other than your imagination though.
KristusTF 10 months ago
@KristusTF Exactly. Unfortunately a lot of imagination goes into the theory of macro-evolution.
mandminjapan 10 months ago
@mandminjapan No, it doesn't. It's just your unwillingness to actually learn about it that permits you to understand what it's all about and remain in your fairytale of ignorance and make up nonsense about actual live dragons. It's particularly amusing that you refer to it as "macro-evolution" which is really just a word that creationists use these days. The only difference between "micro" and "macro" evolution is time scale.
KristusTF 10 months ago
@KristusTF It is sad that atheists always play the ignorance card as if they are all-knowing. Macro-evolution is evolution at the genus level, which has never been observed and is thus not true science. As you like to say, it is a fairytale of human ignorance.
mandminjapan 10 months ago
@mandminjapan I don't know everything. But at least I am informed. I don't make unsubstantiated claims. I don't latch on to old debunked crap as if it had any veracity at all. And I don't pretend that I know shit I have no clue about.
Besides. Even if the theory of evolution was proven false tomorrow. Which it won't I might ad, since it's been rigorously tested by real scientists (IE not those yahoos at the Discovery Institute, Ken Ham etc) for the last 150 years. The mountain of evidence...
KristusTF 10 months ago
@mandminjapan ... that Evolution is resting on is insurmountable. While the staggering pit from the lack of evidence for your God i (none) is equally unexcapable. Even if Evolution would be disproved. It wouldn't do a single thing to prove the veracity of the biblical claims. Nothing, zero. It wouldn't make your religion any more true. Just as it wouldn't make any of the other thousands of religions/cults any more likely to be true either.
KristusTF 10 months ago
*add, *inescapable,
KristusTF 10 months ago
@KristusTF Thank you for your very biased an uninformed opinion. The theory of evolution cannot be proven false as it is not testable or falsifiable. It is a religion just like thousands you like to hate. I am sorry for your hate. I hope it does not eat you up, but you turn to the way of love instead.
mandminjapan 10 months ago
@mandminjapan The theory of evolution predicts organisms will change according to environmental changes. This has been observed both in the laboratory (bacteria) and the wild (Peppered moths). Evolution has been proven, its key prediction has been observed. You're ignorant :(
moodydaniel 10 months ago
@moodydaniel Look it up at answers in genesis . org
mandminjapan 10 months ago
@mandminjapan Oh, I will not use answers in genesis as a source, they're a theological organisation that deliberately misrepresent and lie about science. If YOU wish to learn, take a look at talkorigins. org/faqs/dinosaur/flesh.html
moodydaniel 10 months ago
@moodydaniel Please show me where they misrepresent and lie about science. I'd love to know.
mandminjapan 10 months ago