Spitfire Mk.XVI , ME109 Fly Side by Side

[JamesWaton]

hear that booming supercharger sooooo awsome

[valoryea]

achtung spitfeuer

[yesanded]

The Spitfire was the most beautiful fighter ever built. What a bizarre and striking sight to see it side-by-side with its mortal enemy. A talented pilot in a Spitfire during WWII was the ultimate weapon. Speed, agility, power...I would love to have been alive to see it in action. p.s. I'm an American

[BritAU2TH]

@yesanded - Good comment...For your ultimate weopon...google Ron (Ras) Berry...A WW2 Spit' fighter Ace who once trained US pilots for operation torch...A shy young office clerk who flew over 400 front line missionsand was never shot down...These guys had real balls

[mrceebees14]

Blasphemy.........

[mongorians22]

kinda looks like the spitfire pilot has engine trouble...

[yesanded]

@mongorians22: I think this is an illusion. The frame rate for video is 30 frames per second. I don't know what speed the props turn at, but I think what we're seeing is a sort of strobe effect, making it look as though the props are turning slowly, when in fact they're spinning at high speed.

[bunman44]

actually, Germany was waiting for Britain to Starve. And as for the P-51, daylight bombing of Germany had ceased. The long range fighter, saved the air war. Britain would have lost without the USA....and the USA would have lost without Britain, it was truly a world war.

[pramboy09]

@bunman44 Daylight bombing had ceased but night bombing had started, i wouldn't have said britain would have lost the war without the U.S, lets not forget it the commonweatlh was involved also, britain was holding it's own and also starting to take the fight to the germans before the US entered the war. I think what would have happened if the US had not come in is you would have had stalemate between the two sides.

[Xiolablu3]

By the way, I am not saying the US contribution isnt massively appreciated, the rest of the world just gets a little annoyed when they here for the 1000th time totally false statements like 'without the USA the war would have been lost' or 'Britain would have lost within a month without US help' Just get your facts straight and realise that Germany was first stopped before any real US contribution and that most of the US public wanted to leave Nazi Germany to do what she wanted.

[mongorians22]

@Xiolablu3 I think most of those people are referring to the war in the pacific theater

[Xiolablu3]

@reddiethecat Thats wrong, Hitler tried to invade Britain in Summer 1940 before the US supplies even got going. No US planes were used in the Battle of Britain, even the Browning Machine guns were made in Britain. By the end of 1940, when the Germans could not gain air superiority, they knew they could never successfully invade Britain. I know your TV channels like to imply otherwise, but I'm afraid its just not true. Mustangs didnt get into service until mid-1943.

[SniperMod90]

@Xiolablu3

There are many more things to explore about this scenario. Anyway, what you have to know is that Nazi-Germany was not focused on destroying England or it's people. They were "pro" English in many points. If they would've wanted to do similar things like for example in Poland or Russia, the attack would have gone on with no remorse after Dunkerque and no troops could've make it back over the canal.

[SniperMod90]

@Xiolablu3

The main problem of the Luftwaffe was fuel capacity. They only had a very short operating time over Britain so they also could make it back.

They knocked on your door. Be happy that Hitler first wanted to get Russia as main target in 1940, cause in full blown war with no Russian front it would've been over. One or two British Islands off the French coast, that were occupied by Germany had their own protocol (etiquette, sorry for my English) for ground troops.

[SniperMod90]

@Xiolablu3

Check my channel, I put up two Playlists to this topic on top. I will change it again after a while. Regards from Switzerland

[TeToa]

@reddiethecat Now I'm no math whiz but i dont think the U.S. moping up the Engleshmen's job accounts for the total fall of the German Luftwaffe. The average G.I. soldier could not take on the Average German soldier on a one to one basis. This is not my words but from the account of an American soldier who fought during the war. Without the assitance of the Russians and Brits, the war would of been lost for the U.S.

[TeToa]

@reddiethecat Yes, supplying did help the war effort but it wasnt won just becuase of the U.S. supplies. At the height, only 12% of the U.S.S.R.'s airforce was foreign supplied, and that included commonwealth aircraft such as the Spitfire. Also 80% of the German forces were fighting on the Eastern front against the Soviets. That includes 80% of the Luftwaffe taking on the Soviet air force.

[TeToa]

@reddiethecat Now im not saying the U.S. didnt contribute to the war effort. But without any of the 'Big Three' powers, neither would of succeeded. By the time the Mustang made its huge appearance over Europe, Luftwaffe had already taken a beating from the combine onslaught of Spitfires, Mosquitoes, Typhoons, Thunderbolts, Lightnings, Yaks, Laggs, Las, and Warhawks. Her job had been made easy for her.

[TeToa]

@reddiethecat This included the radar. A new technology that allowed the British to detect and scramble aircraft to the right area long before the Germans arrived. Also while fighting over home territory any down British pilots (who lived) could be back in a fighter within the day. (It happened, so strong was the will to win). Any German pilots downed were either captured or had to make a run to neutral Ireland which usually still resulted in their capture.

[TeToa]

@reddiethecat "Trust me, I know what happened in WWII" Ohhhh so you were there? (sarcasm alert). Lets get the facts straight. During the Battle of Britian the only aircraft supplied by the U.S. was the P-40 which was deemed unsuitable for high altitude combat and was used for low altitude reconnaissance. In no way could Britain of been taken over "within about a month". They had several advantages the Germans lacked or couldnt counter.

[XsUp3rDuBzX]

@reddiethecat never said they didnt have any turning points but they where mostly in the pacific,britain won the battle of britain which stopped the nazi's taking the world's biggest shipping lanes,and taking over one of the world's most important landmarks to progress through the world and the rest of the EU,the USSR had starlingad which they turned back on the germans fast! so when you learn more about the whole of ww2 and not just your own country please feel free to speak!

[XsUp3rDuBzX]

probably the worlds most greatest nations both enemies now best friends! this is amazing repect to britian and germany god bless us both!

[XsUp3rDuBzX]

@reddiethecat oh will you just shut the fuck up with the patriotic brainwashed bullshit!!!! battle of britian britian....starlingrd russia D-day joint op so stfu america caused no turning points britian russia and the rest handeled the well trained germans fine without your bullshit thanks

[55bloke]

Absolutely superb! Slightly odd effect the way the camera seems to have stopped the props.

[Randomnick123]

Something beyond the words. Two of the ones fighting each other doing a side by side fly by. Nice!

[AlexSlams]

@theretoday LMFAO!!!!

Oh wait, you weren't serious were you? :S

[94Clubsport]

apparantly the hawker hurricane shot down more germans that the spitfire,but spitfire is the best looking WW2 fighter close behind has to be the P51 mustang,sexy

[TopGunSGA]

rampking1, it's not actually a Rolls Royce Merlin. The Mk XVI was powered by the same Packard-built Merlin as the P-51 Mustang

[rampking1]

@TopGunSGA

Thanks, I looked it up in my book and you are correct about the Packard-built Merlin.

I was a bit confused at first because I think Packard Merlins in dash 1,3,7 and 9.

When I see "Merlin 266", I automatically think Rolls Royce or engines designated for transport/bombers.

Thanks

[kenns9]

@rampking1

the 51 has, of corse, the pachard merlin of the -3 type...which is more or less the same as the 60 series Merlin!

[rampking1]

@kenns9 Yes, Dash 3 in the B/C model.

Thanks for the insight.

Dash 7 in the D.

I wish I was there to see this...

[Mattebubben]

@rampking1 the bf 109 E actualy got a Db 601

[rampking1]

@Mattebubben You are correct about the DB-601 with the Emil.

My mind must have been stuck on the G-6 & G-10 Bf-109's in Europe.

[dl5270]

@rampking1 I think that's DB-601

[rampking1]

@rampking1 You are correct, it is not a G model....The Emil and F model had the DB-601...thanks

[repzyree]

@rampking1 actualy this 109 looks like a late E or an early F model, i does not have the bulging air intake, or the bulks under the wings. so i would believe this beeing a DB-601

[rampking1]

@repzyree After looking at the video again, I believe you are correct. It is a DB-601.

Should have noticed what looks like struts on the tail as well as the early war paint job.

You wouldn't see any G or K models with a bright yellow nose.

Thanks, and corrected.

[mrrmancunian]

We wouldn't have seen that 71 years ago.

[hannes0000]

at war those sounds were very scary to ground units

[darkmossie633]

Great stuff-fantastic engineering-

beautiful aircraft

-unfortunately used to bring about huge destruction

but great to see them fly side by side,

in peacetime

they symbolise to me, man's great ingenuity, but also, his seemingly endless,hapless need

for self-destruction

[pringelsfred]

So again, for the last time. I just wanna point out the messerschmitt had more confirmed kills then others. And yes the Germans lost, yes at the end of the war these planes had big losses but thats probably because the planes and pilots had been fighting for over 4 years. Not likes the Americans and Mustangs who got to be aces after 5 kills and send home to be flight instructors. Just look at the confirmed kills for aces on all sides.

[deseryve]

youre right, but the time on the front has also the point, that you CAN reach such high "scores"

some amis flew their 50-60 missions and moved home, never seen a german fighter to shoot down

the germans had always something to shoot^^

also the last german pilots hadnt the same training like the allied ones

so of course the fw 190 and bf 109 were shot down, cause the most of them didnt know how to use them

[kinkaid25]

our advantages where not the planes, it was the radio pylons that english built, the english put these radio pylons on the edge of dover cliffs and the english would listen for noises through the pylons

[pringelsfred]

Germany lost, yep. But they lost big on the ground war. In the air they mostly had the advantage. Mostly ... :)

[andreher]

wtf are u talking about lol... im a big german military fan but u are all wrong... its exactly the opost... americans/british had the air superiority and keeped bombing axis until they loose

[pringelsfred]

I said mostly :) I'm talking about the early days in the war. The bombers at first had huge losses untill they got support from fighters like the Mustang P51. In the end, yep. No more advantage cause no more resources and/or good fighter pilots.

[proudguy]

The turning point of WWII was when Germany lost The Battle of Britain. Germany could not invade the UK, because it could not gain air supremacy over England.

That was when Germany began to lose the war (followed by heavy losses on the Eastern Front).

(P51s came very late in the war.)

[pringelsfred]

I say again. Talking 'bout the early days of the war. It's hard explaining your views on this subject here in a couple of lines I know. :) Like saying the UK on its own held back the wehrmacht and that started the downfall of nazi Germany sounds a bit 'wrong' :) Let's keep it simple: good guys won, bad guys lost :-)

[opmdevil]

I think that there never was a turning point. Germans were heading toward a certaing defeat from the beginning due to lack of managements, leadership and vision from the very beginning. Luftwaffe lost some planes in england but also lost a quite a lot of planes in Poland and France. Training programs and plane production was staying in the peace time levels until 1941 or so. They should have trained X5 pilots and X5 planes from 1939 or so.

[rampking1]

@opmdevil Great comment.

Germany didn't economically go on a wartime footing until after 1941.

The German people thought the war was going to be finished after the fall of France.

Yet another unknown mystery, why they geared the country for a short war yet pursued a long one. Sure as hell doesn't fit with histories idea of Hitler wanting to take over the world does it ?

[mrceebees14]

@proudguy It couldn't gain air superiority over Britian because of a new invention called "radar." Without it Germany would have been more then capable of defeating the British.

That was the turning point of the war in the west, the real turning point of the war was being beaten in the Soviet Union, not losing the air war with the English.

[PzAufklaerer12Btl]

@mrceebees14 better prepared for an invasion and without the mistaces göring did germany would have been able to invade britain also with the radar of the brits. turning point was attacking russia too late couse of the balkan war when the german army had to help italy. those month were missing at the gates of moscow

[mrceebees14]

@PzAufklaerer12Btl He could not have attacked Russia sooner, Russia was his fall back if taking England failed. Attacking Russia as an answer to failing in England was just madness, to compound this Japan attacking the United States did more harm for Germany then good. If the Japs would have held off and the Germans kept at England, England would have fallen. Attacking Russia was just insanity, that should have been a sign for the entire country to kill get rid of Hitler together.

[PzAufklaerer12Btl]

@mrceebees14 he could not? buddy it was planned to..........

[mrceebees14]

@proudguy Not at all, Germany was still master of Europe until 1944, a full 4 years after the first bombs hit England. The Battle of Britian was England holding off the Germans, not defeating them and ending the war. What it did was buy time for England, which is exactly what it did when Japan attacked the United States and THAT is what England needed.

The turning point was attacking the Soviet Union, that is when this war started to go bad for Germany.

[1987jkilla]

@proudguy the turning point of ww2 was stalingrad.

[proudguy]

@1987jkilla

Yes, Stalingrad was the second turning point. ;>)

When Hitler realised that he did not have air supremacy to invade England, he decided to attack Russia instead. Thus, the invasion of Russia happened as a result of the 1st turning point, The Battle of Britain.

If Britain has lost that battle, England would have been invaded and Russia would not have been attacked until a year or two later. The Siege of Stalingrad probably would never have happened. History would be different.

[Raap123]

@proudguy the turning poit was already by the invasion of Holland, they tought to easely invade Holland but our soldiers fight a little bit harder

[darkmossie633]

are you talking about Russian front

(eastern front) in WW2

otherwise this is just not true

Battle of Britain ?

you had the advantage?

history says you lost

BADLY!

[rampking1]

@darkmossie633

Single engined Fighter versus fighter, it was pretty close.

The Do-17, Ju-87 and Me-110 got mauled.

In actual numbers, the battle of attrition was still being won by the Germans. 3 to 1 odds at the beginning

It was when Adolf switched to bombing cities and left the airbases / radar alone that killed the deal for the Luftwaffe.

He had to pay them back for the embarrassment of the RAF successfully performing a nuisance bombing of Berlin.

Just the breather the RAF needed.

[88volvo89]

when you compare the spitfire to the messerschmitt (Bf109) there's no much difference between them , but germans always lost more than allied planes

[opmdevil]

Yes, there is no much of a difference - they are both airplanes and they both have propllers and they both have engines.

[terminator363]

Dude. BF-109 kicks the spits Ass! (i love them both anyways)

[kampac1980]

the propella's are not spinning sorry if any spelling mistakes

[proudguy]

The later versions did not require propellers, but were retained anyway to help with pilot confidence.

[EXITUS01]

lol 70 years ago the spitfire would get asskicked ^^

[Dragon22873]

Hah thats funny, i take it you dont know about BoB? Dumbass.

[EXITUS01]

in the first years bf109 beat all allied planes.

[engasal]

yet we still won, hmmm

[proudguy]

Yes, and then the bf109s would land in the English Channel to cool their heated engines. ;-)

[GERMANOPHILE]

beat all allied planes" certainly not the British Spitfire or Hurricane, so, Who are these "alies"?

[EXITUS01]

lol read a book. computer games are not historic realistic.

[propfan2k]

Nice video. These same aircraft took off from Niagara Falls, Canada to do their flybys. The Avenger was at the Falls all day.

[proudguy]

Everyone knows that this the "E" version of the ME109, which is one of the earlier versions.

[proudguy]

I was there too. It was a good show.

One guy from the US showed up at 4:10pm with an Avenger, but most of the people had gone home by then. I felt sorry for him.

$2000 will get you a ride in the Lancaster bomber. Too rich for my blood!

[fokkerwokker]

Amazing!