that I as much as any other man am in favor of the superior position being assigned to the white man." A. Lincoln, 1858, Lincoln-Douglas Debates Quincy, Il. Oct.13th
@blackconfederate1: He was talking about the notion of racial inequality as I hypothetical. If such a distinction did exist, who wouldn't want to be in the superior group? It is a disgusting slander to isolate this single remark from the whole to serve as representation of his views. He was attempting to put aside the irrelevancy of whether or not one race was superior to another. In effect he was saying, "Even if one race is superior to another, an inferior man is still entitled to his pay.
That idiot DiLorenzo needs to be made to listen to this speech. This is the perfect expression of an ORIGINALIST argument. Lincoln clearly demonstrates the Framers original intent on the subject of slavery. The Secessionists were trying to utterly break our constitutional order by breaking the Union formed "more" perfectly by that constitution.
Oh, if only our black robed masters on the Supreme Court had as much respect for our Founders as did Lincoln. & yes, this actor does the voice of Lincoln nearly perfectly.
Waterson is a wonderful actor, but his Lincoln voice sucks. See Ramond Massey for the Lincoln voice -- in "Lincoln in Illinois" - a clip is on youtube, search Lincoln Douglas debate, from a 1940 movie. You will see/ hear the difference. Lincoln had energy in his voice -power. People would listen in awe. In his Springfield speech, the "lost speech" reporters (Some who didnt like Lincoln before this) dropped their pencils and wept.
@12FlyMe: There is an excellent book now on this astonishing speech, Lincoln @ Cooper Union by Harold Holzer. He says that Lincoln deliberately gave this speech in an understated way, so as to appeal to New York's "sophisticated" tastes. Americans of this day were conditioned by revivalist preachers to expect physical demonstrations in public addresses. Lincoln often accomidated this taste, on this occasion he supposedly made a point of standing as straight & still as a post.
Victor - the one I mean happened in Bloomington, (I might have said Springfield), and is called the Lost speech. Reporters wept , too stunned, so the story goes, to put pencil to paper.
His Peoria speech is my favorite pre-Presidency speech, because he says slave owners should be kicked to death, to paraphrase.
That alone forever gives the lie to lunatics who say LIncoln was not against slavery.
@12FlyMe: I think I know what speech you are speeking about. It is supposed to have been given after the completion of the Lincoln Douglas Debates. The bit about the reporters overwhelmed by his sublime oratory is a bit of a romanticisation. They were all safe reporters from Republican newspapers. His speach was red hot antislavery message so it was thought impolitic to broadcast its substance. If only long lost copy of it would turn up. Oh, for a time machine!
@VictorLepanto Actually I went by the place that Lincon gave this speech, the other day. I went to Bloomington IL, to the old courthouse, where they have some memorabilia, and I got directions to the place, long gone.
And there is a reconstruction of that speech somewhere, I read it, given years later, by someone who claimed they were there.
@IowaSea: A reconstruction yes. I understand that Patrick Henry's "Give me liberty..." speech is also a latter day reconstruction. It was only reconstructed years later b/c the Republicans didn't want the speech publicised at the time. It was for the morale of party faithful. Newspapers were more openly partisan then. Only republican reporters were there, so they followed orders from the party covered it up.
Sam Waterston is absolutely brilliant! He gave this speech in the voice of Lincoln, and it is one of the best speeches ever given, both by Lincoln and by Waterston.
that I as much as any other man am in favor of the superior position being assigned to the white man." A. Lincoln, 1858, Lincoln-Douglas Debates Quincy, Il. Oct.13th
blackconfederate1 1 year ago
@blackconfederate1: He was talking about the notion of racial inequality as I hypothetical. If such a distinction did exist, who wouldn't want to be in the superior group? It is a disgusting slander to isolate this single remark from the whole to serve as representation of his views. He was attempting to put aside the irrelevancy of whether or not one race was superior to another. In effect he was saying, "Even if one race is superior to another, an inferior man is still entitled to his pay.
VictorLepanto 9 months ago
That idiot DiLorenzo needs to be made to listen to this speech. This is the perfect expression of an ORIGINALIST argument. Lincoln clearly demonstrates the Framers original intent on the subject of slavery. The Secessionists were trying to utterly break our constitutional order by breaking the Union formed "more" perfectly by that constitution.
VictorLepanto 1 year ago
Oh, if only our black robed masters on the Supreme Court had as much respect for our Founders as did Lincoln. & yes, this actor does the voice of Lincoln nearly perfectly.
VictorLepanto 2 years ago
Waterson is a wonderful actor, but his Lincoln voice sucks. See Ramond Massey for the Lincoln voice -- in "Lincoln in Illinois" - a clip is on youtube, search Lincoln Douglas debate, from a 1940 movie. You will see/ hear the difference. Lincoln had energy in his voice -power. People would listen in awe. In his Springfield speech, the "lost speech" reporters (Some who didnt like Lincoln before this) dropped their pencils and wept.
12FlyMe 2 years ago
@12FlyMe: There is an excellent book now on this astonishing speech, Lincoln @ Cooper Union by Harold Holzer. He says that Lincoln deliberately gave this speech in an understated way, so as to appeal to New York's "sophisticated" tastes. Americans of this day were conditioned by revivalist preachers to expect physical demonstrations in public addresses. Lincoln often accomidated this taste, on this occasion he supposedly made a point of standing as straight & still as a post.
VictorLepanto 2 years ago
Victor - the one I mean happened in Bloomington, (I might have said Springfield), and is called the Lost speech. Reporters wept , too stunned, so the story goes, to put pencil to paper.
His Peoria speech is my favorite pre-Presidency speech, because he says slave owners should be kicked to death, to paraphrase.
That alone forever gives the lie to lunatics who say LIncoln was not against slavery.
12FlyMe 2 years ago
@12FlyMe: I think I know what speech you are speeking about. It is supposed to have been given after the completion of the Lincoln Douglas Debates. The bit about the reporters overwhelmed by his sublime oratory is a bit of a romanticisation. They were all safe reporters from Republican newspapers. His speach was red hot antislavery message so it was thought impolitic to broadcast its substance. If only long lost copy of it would turn up. Oh, for a time machine!
VictorLepanto 2 years ago
@VictorLepanto Actually I went by the place that Lincon gave this speech, the other day. I went to Bloomington IL, to the old courthouse, where they have some memorabilia, and I got directions to the place, long gone.
And there is a reconstruction of that speech somewhere, I read it, given years later, by someone who claimed they were there.
IowaSea 1 year ago
@IowaSea: A reconstruction yes. I understand that Patrick Henry's "Give me liberty..." speech is also a latter day reconstruction. It was only reconstructed years later b/c the Republicans didn't want the speech publicised at the time. It was for the morale of party faithful. Newspapers were more openly partisan then. Only republican reporters were there, so they followed orders from the party covered it up.
VictorLepanto 9 months ago
Sam Waterston is absolutely brilliant! He gave this speech in the voice of Lincoln, and it is one of the best speeches ever given, both by Lincoln and by Waterston.
dibenzaquen 2 years ago
yep, the gov cant enslave the people
what does that have to do with obama?
pushups2345 2 years ago
it has absolutely nothing to do with him
congrats
xamphor 2 years ago