Apache Helicopter does a loop the loop at Farnborough, 2004

[puppygirl20001]

it dose hold two people.. the pilot and the gunner...

[marklbriley]

What the hell is a "loop the loop"? I thought it was just a loop.

[TBird4490]

No doubt piloted by Jack Bower.

[LOUISVART]

@lomsteve

the apache has detatchable rotors

[joekag]

is that possible?

[MajorJakobs]

It's possible but very dangerous.



[angr6]

can it do piro flip?

[atllex]

If you listen closely right at the bottom of the loop, you can hear the crew chief cursing to his friends and calling to cancel his plans with the wife

[mphst6]

Passenger: What're you doing? WHAT ARE YOU DOING!? OH MY GOD -shits pants-

[LOUISVART]

@mphst6

apart from it doesnt have a passanger seat :/

[mphst6]

@LOUISVART Oh snap, you're right. I looked it up, the AH-64 Apache Advanced Helicopter DOESN'T hold 2 people. You're awesome for correcting me. I'd give you a Gold Star but you'd have to come to Miami and dig it out of my septic tank since you're so much smarter and knowledgable than I am...(read a book).

[LOUISVART]

@mphst6

wher would this earth be without books ;)

[scarface71795]

@LOUISVART You can strap yourself in and sit on the sides like in this video. youtube. com/watch?v=AqtxdXtlpLU&featur­e=player_embedded

[gorgonzo1a]

MI-24 can also do this

[b101aa2]

@gorgonzo1a mi-24? not even close. now the cloned apache, named the Mi-28 hunter can. it's basically just an ah-64 cheap copy, without the tech.

[MarshallJukov]

@b101aa2

Mi-24 is not supposed to, it simply has different purpose. Ka-50 can and Mi-28 isn`t "Apache cheap copy" - its first flight is in 1982 and its larger, better armoured, better armed, has more range, speed, climb and can carry 3 passengers.

[b101aa2]

ya, the mi-24 has a completely different purpose. the mi-28 "is" a cheap copy. mi-24 look, slimmed down to ah-64 dimensions "AND" rotor/turbine configuration. they didn't even try to hide it. the ka-50 isn't a copy, but it's still a cheapy throw away. and back on the mi-28 is bigger and all that. nope. look it up... the mi-28 performance characteristics are less. less speed, less range, less weight, less ability. and the mi-28 is 2 crew. get your number right, before saying propaganda.

[MarshallJukov]

@b101aa2

Amateurish nonsense. It just uses Mi-24 cockpit layout as more favorable. *AND* because laws of physics are universal for everyone - its engine configuration is as it is to reduce height of aircraft in order to fit radar. AH-64 isn`t first to make it, for example there is Ka-26 from 1960s.

Dry mass of Mi-28 is 8065kg. AH-64D is 5352kg. Mi-28 spends it for MASSIVE armor - compared to AH-64. Its speed is 382 km/h versus 365 of AH-64....

[b101aa2]

@MarshallJukov even the tail rotor blades are copied... how someone can say it isn't a cheap copy, is beyond me... well, unless you spend a lot of time on youtube bashing other aircraft, cause the ah-64 isn't even the best. but it is FAR better then the mi-28 throw away. btw, get your number right.

MI-24 - EW: 18,960 lb, L 17.01 m, 199 mph, Range 234 nm

AH-64 - EW: 11,387 lb, L 17.73 m, 182 mph (VNE 227 mph), Range 295 nm

*note, i don't have your bias. ever rode in a an su-27? i have.

[MarshallJukov]

@b101aa2

Tail rotors are copied?)) Sorry but concept of X-shaped tail rotors was known for decades and was concidered for Mi-6 but but simplier design won back then. And if you want to talk about copied concepts - do you know where swashplate and classical helicopter layout originate from?

And we talking about Mi-28 here not Mi-24.

And i`m still waiting for EXACT specifications of AH-64D which is better than Mi-28. Will you?

[b101aa2]

@MarshallJukov i gave the general specs. not rockect science. swashplate... sikorsky aircraft, dude... they are also who conceived of the x blade design, which bell and lockheed also uses.

you don't even know why there have been ONLY 50 mi-28's were ever manufactured. it's because everyone figured out what a pile of junk it is. pylon hard point are the TURBINE mounts... 3 of them ripped off causing the heli's to disintegrate.

but hey, kgb wannabe guy, nice chatting with ya.

[MarshallJukov]

@b101aa2

Nope - swashplate was invented and patented by Juriev in Russian Empire in 1911. Sikorsky just copied it. Sikorski himself born and educated in Russia.

Just 50 Mi-28 was manufactured because in case you didn`t noticed it - Russia had a lot of different problems, which btw is about to happen in USA.

And in fact there will be at least 97 of Mi-28 till 2015. Now don`t talk like if AH-64 never had structure failures. And do not invent crap - Mi-28 never lost any pylons

[b101aa2]

@MarshallJukov russia didn't have patent laws... heck, even now with patent laws since 1999, they aren't enforced. so the whole thing about patented in russia is kind of a silly notion.

ya, some more are being made. to replace the what is remaining. no one else wants them though. every single other modern heli on the market is far superior. heck, a Griffin makes it look like junk. and all that is, is a huey.

1800 apache's built so far, 300 scheduled from 2012-2016 for other countries. ya...

[MarshallJukov]

Just as its wings isn`t mounted at turbine either - in fact they mounted at major airframe independently while covered both covered by same aerodynamic skin element.

Russian patent law was adopted in 1812, ignoramus. Case is that BOTH basic swashplate - that of Juriev and Sikorsky (both very similar) originate in Russia.

You make so many loud statements yet fail to provide ANY technical data to substantiate supposed superiority of AH-64 or Griffin over Mi-28. Seems that you just a troll.

[b101aa2]

@MarshallJukov when you sling insults, learn how to spell. i said the turbine MOUNTS.. not on the turbine. der... patent laws. may have been made in 1812, but became void when czar nicholas came to power. know your own history a bit chief. loud statements. like i said, it's not rocket science. the mi-28 is not even invited to airshows outside of russia cause it is a pos to the nth degree. russian su-27's, mig-29's, heck, even the mif-27's are. but the mi-28 is the only aircraft that is not ttyl

[MarshallJukov]

@b101aa2

Its rather TURBINE mounted on pylons than vice versa, and i really don`t see any problem here - with 8 tonnes of dry weight it has enough reserves for required powerstructure. No structure failures for Mi-28 was ever reported.

Derpy both Nicolas I and II never voided patent system in Russia - otherwise for example Vladimir Shukhov would not recieve any patents, just as Lodygin would not patent his lightbulb and inductive oven. So does Rosing would not have patent on first TV in 1911.

[b101aa2]

@MarshallJukov a. the turbine mounts mount to the fusalage. the pylon mounts are one in the same. 3 mi-28's between the weight and the shaft vibration ripped them apart. it was a fatal design flaw that the only change made was to installed larger bolts.. scary. and also killed off the entire mass production aspect of the heli. why so few... did i mention i do aircraft and you don't? Czar Nicholas stripped patent rights. all of them. 1912. Never had patent rights again until 1999. later dude.

[MarshallJukov]

Turbine mounts does not mounts to fuselage - they mounts to FRAME of aircraft, which fuselage mounts to also. Turbine mounts on Mi-28 are NOT holding weight of pylons. And NONE of Mi-28`s EVER desintegrated apart.

Nicolas II didn`t stripped any patents in 1912 ,moron , otherwise his personal driver Adolf Kergess would not recieve Privelegy (patent) №26751-a (1914)on his tracked prop car which Czar Nicolas II used to ride.

Personal patents was stripped in favor of the State only in 1919

[MarshallJukov]

@b101aa2

Your ignorance is just astonishing. Mi-28 was at IDEX-2011, Aero India 2011, just as at domestic MAKS and HeliRussia exhibitions.

[b101aa2]

@MarshallJukov well looky there. 1. unfortunately, india. hello, india.. that is the only one outside russia. but that was probably trying to pressure them into that, cause india has a butt load of mi-17 cargo's, and has a substantial agreement for parts and service. maks = russia, helirussia = russia. ignorance is bliss when you spew propaganda 24/7, right? aka, showing chenyan murders (grozni) from your youtube and saying it's american? ya dude, i looked.. propaganda's suck. ltr.

[MarshallJukov]

@b101aa2

Nobody puts a pressure to India moron))) Just as UAE either))) India just declined our MiG-35 - which contradits your theories on India`s submision to Russia LOL)))

Not only India chooses those Mi-17 but even Afganistan which is under total American control vigorously refused ANY American helicopters in favor to Russian ones))) You wasn`t able to convince them to get some of aging stocks of your helis at fraction of price))) And you will love this too:

watch?v=Da-JY5G7YU4

[b101aa2]

@MarshallJukov oh, ya, snap. performance, the mi-28 flies like a stuck pig. it flies more like a huey then an attack helicopter. ever seen one fly? i mean, in front of you? probably not. you may spew crap loads of fake propaganda (ya, i saw your page), but since none of it is accurate and focuses on poltical propaganda, that tells me you don't no dilly about aircraft unless you wiki it. I have over 10,000 hrs logged. big difference. cheers ps: i have many friends in russia, they dont spew.

[MarshallJukov]

...its CREW is 2 men - but it has bay behind cockpit with hatch on the left where it can carry 3 passengers.

It uses 2A42 30mm gun which has 82 calibers barrel and fires 30x165mm rounds which projectiles have mass up to 400g and m/v up to 1120 m/s.

AH-64 uses M230 gun with 27 calibers long barrel which fires 237g projectiles of 30x113mm rounds at 805 m/s

AH-64 uses subsonic Hellfire missiles with range up to 8km.

Mi-28 uses SUPERSONIC Vikhr missiles with range of 10km and Hermes-A with 20km...

[God0fCows]

BUT I SURVIVE!!!! I actually completed the flip, at the same time avoiding an RPG, words cannot express how awesome I feel.

[carolinaboy88]

well...there goes a strap pack..lol. If you work on apaches, you know what Im talking about. :~)

[beermilitia]

of course its possible hasnt anyone seen blue thunder

[pmgodfrey]

Let Alan Szabo fly it.

[henrynaruto9]

quite a skilled pilot

[Apache2400]

WOWOWO AWESOME VIDS .... THANKS

[sickler4201]

WOW! Look at how much the rotors coned coming out of that one!

[CyberProtector]

I saw RAF-Pilots in Berlin at the Gatow-Airport doing a full Loop with an standard BELL-UH1D at very low altitude.

That makes a little kind of difference to an Apache or not?

[SheepJumpFish]

Since when have the RAF ever flown the UH-1D, as far as I know, correct me if I'm wrong with evidence, but the RAF don't fly it, they do fly the Griffin HAR2 which looks slightly similar

[hamo360]

eh no u didn't . My uncle made the first Bell, he said that it would be impossible ever to loop in one of his choppers. Also, you'd need a lynx or a Tiger to get the proper aviation clearance to get the proportion correct to loop it. Nice try loser.

[craigatki]

@CyberProtector  FYI RAF Pilots dont fly Apaches ;)

[Chuckjagermeister]

Not the safest thing to do. The Apache obviously can but all that stress is placed on the main rotors, which are not nearly as strong as a fixed wing. The driveshaft is also a stress point and can bend. There is a Bolkow-made chopper that's specifically made for aerobatics.

[SheepJumpFish]

the BO-105 and the Lynx are good at aerobatics but the Apache has build in features that enable it to do these kinds of maneuvers safely, there is a video on youtube showing how the Apache is built in stages posted by leimseider com/watch?v=GKmGDVHRc-Y I think it was this part or another, may not be this video but it is safe enough or they wouldn't be risking a helicopter that cost a few million

[byobbbyo]

and this video proved stilleto wrong

[LefThirtysix]

gOOd PilOt

[TeeHee79]

US Technology XD

[snipey14]

Perfected by the British :P

[Ytsewolf]

Blue Thunder could do a loop!

[istoleyourcarkeys]

i never in my lave saw a heli that could do that lol

[BluffBlunt]

KA-50 Black Shark!!!

Do you live under a ROCK???

Or are you unaware of anything outside your country???

Its about time an American helicopters start looping. Russians have been doing it for decades.

[Eugen987654321]

@BluffBlunt The KA-50 doesn't really count though because it's got two rotors going opposite directionsso they don't have to worry about lead/lag or any of that, that's more like a gyrocopter than a heli in my opinion.

[APACHEPLT]

You can do anything with about 60% torque. Including getting grounded and you wings taken from you.

[KrayzDrifter]

the apache helicopter is the only helicopter that can do that as im aware

[shurimor99]

Nope. The Russian K-50 and Mi-28 can do this as well. Apache definitely can't compete in maneuverability with Ka-50.

[herbert495]

You forgot the Eurocopter "Tigre" that can do much more ...

[juzcuz]

the BO-105 can also do alot more than the apache. Check out the Red Bull Helicopter

[BluffBlunt]

"KrayzDrifter" stick with drifting please, or google your information before you type!!!

[snipey14]

If I'm not mistaken the Lynx was the first helicopter to actually do that.

[bobdagangster]

probably

lynx is the fastest helicopter too (or was)

[Celeon999A]

Nope, it was the Bo-105 including Immelmanns and barrel rolls.

[sparrowlt]

Nope .. there is videos of the old S-52 doing barrel rolls in 1948

[greenlantern2021]

Not all helicopters/choppers can do that. the apache is made to do it so it can "trick" missles and turn back around and stike a target again if the pilots miss. very unlikley though.

[BluffBlunt]

LOL its 2009 almost pal.

Rockets soar through the sky much faster then your Apache, and they are all self navigated. That slow loop would get owned, any helicopter loop would get owned.

KA-50 - Maximum speed: 390 km/h (204 knots, 242 mph) in dive

- Cruise speed: 270 km/h (146 knots, 168 mph)

might escape some Missiles!!!

[greenlantern2021]

I didn't say that they would dodge all. but guess what Pal most ATTACK choppers today have a special paint on them that makes them almost invisible on those infrared cameras they put on the self navigated missiles. thats why you find almost no 90 degree lines on the outline of the bird because it doesn't attract heat or bounce back the radar signal. Loops are last efforts used. Try convincing someone who doesn't work for the military. Also most birds have anti missile counter measures as well.

[BluffBlunt]

They would dodge none, exactly. Like i told you originally, i don't know why you swtich the subject to paint.

If you in the military then go back to Iraq and burn all the human shit after your pals and generals. Im fucking Nasa scientist then.

[Imsouthy]

To throw my hat into the ring. The has been an instance of an apache taking a hit with a stinger. The apache promptly killed the attackers and made it back to base. Aside from that, the whole point of the apache is to annihilate every target in range before they have a chance to retaliate. Lets not pretend that performing a loop in any sort of aircraft is going to get you out of trouble vs an anti-air missile. Hes only doing it to show you that it can, thats why its called an " air show "

[nitefly8]

ok, um.. the paint doesn't make them invisible to ir, it helps reduce the heat signature, but the engine exhaust spits out at about 2000 degrees F, which doesn't help...it's about as radar invisible as the goodyear blimp...if you ever took a fully loaded and armed apache through a loop, that would probably overtorque both engines and nose gearboxes, transmission, driveshafts, intermediate and tail rotor gearboxes, and probably snap all four main rotor strap packs, about $1.8 million in parts

[elsamuraiguapo]

Whatever, helicopters aren't intended for air-to-air combat, they're there to reign hell from above to tanks and other enemy ground vehicles/soldiers. Choppers are much more versatile and useful than fighter jets.

And by the way, a back flip combined with the simultaneous release of flares could be a good avoidance technique.

[311girard]

you're right; they aren't for air to air combat, but if there was a missile headed toward you, you wouldn't have time to do a maneuver like that. it took about 12 sec. to do it!

[copyrightmybutt]

I wasn't aware choppers could do that..

[BluffBlunt]

You live in Switzerland and you don't know stuff like this? How old are you? Search up KA-50 Black Shark, watch some videos and check statistics.

[phlyegles43]

the only problem is upside down you have no rotors to power yuh up higher so your screwed if you mess up

[bigpyoopypants]

In fact, the rotors are now pulling you down. ;)

[MikhailSharpowicz]

The Apache can do a 270 wingover - which is a close approximation of a loop. Awesome fun tho.

[05027802]

fuck that for a laugh! I do my utmost to keep me feet on the ground as much as possible. This video shit me up just watching from the safety of my arm chair

[GLeNss]

I have one of those in my garage the other ones getting fixed atm.

[Ballowall]

Wow I never thought helicopters could do that!

[allenc6665]

yea the apaches air frame is more stronger that other helicopters

[engasal]

hang about, i was there for this!

[eliterayquaza]

i live really close to this air show (i'm going this year), and i saw this from my back garden! it was awesome! i even get the red arrows flying overhead!

[NooDLES411911]

The guy on my local radio station in London, Ontario did this yesterday over his phone and he was like "oh my god oh my god ahhhhh" the whole time, it was hilarious, but he said it's the coolest thing he has ever experienced.

[d1234p567]

haha ya tazz

[NooDLES411911]

You know it, they have the funniest morning show in the world hands down.

[vampov]

Was it a army pilot? I asked a W5 if he could do a barrel roll like the McDonald Douglas pilot we see in all the apache promo videos and he said you would loose your wings for trying a stunt like a barrel role.

[rktmn57]

AMAZING!

[belitos]

omg!

[nitefly8]

It can definitely be done, but he probably overtorqued an engine or two and maybe broke some strap packs, either way, there's a lot of work ahead for the crewchief of that bird

[pringelsfan007]

Maybe a specially prepared bird?

[HUNDLEYGUY95]

thats a regular apache bird, my uncle flys obne and he says you can do it with any model of apache

[l3owman]

Lol, it had to have a run up, would love to see it do it from a hover like the Lynx.

[iamthebyron]

I believe that the Lynx is the only chopper in the world that can loop from a hover...could be wrong tho.

[fido5]

no you would be right

[CroBelphegor]

i tought only blue thunder could do that ^^

now i see it's really possible

[danniiminogueishot]

Great video,thanks for posting.I thought that was impossible and people have tried to tell me it's impossible for various reasons.But they are wrong!That is a phat video!I thought they could only do this in the movies!

[OELSteve]

I didn't think it was possible either! Was quite surprised when it did it.

[Scwirul]

@OELSteve I saw a big coastal (british) Sea-king do it once at an RNLI show day once...

[Eugen987654321]

@danniiminogueishot It's not possible with most helicopters, the Apache, and many other military and stunt helicopters can do it because they have a rigid rotor system, but don't ever try that in something like a robinson, because it won't work.

[apachedave]

@Eugen987654321 It's actually a fully articulated system, somewhat labor intensive and more expensive than a teetering (see-saw) or semi-rigid underslung system like a two bladed Huey or Jetranger. An example of a rigid system would be the German BO-105 helicopter. Now that bird is really maneuverable.

[apachedave]

@Eugen987654321 The AH-64 actually has a fully articulated system that allows for limited flapping but good amounts of lead and lag. The system is somewhat more expensive and labor intensive than a simpler semi-rigid underslung or teetering (see-saw) system like the UH-1 Huey or Bell Jetranger, but there are nor real limits of ATTITUDE and loading you can have on this system. An example of a helicopter with rigid rotor system would be the German BO-105, really maneuverable and agile.

[Bezmeister]

Wow, i thought they could only do that in games.

[videorichi]

strafigo