Increase your IQ - Really!

[carpozi22]

I don't understand this game.. there is always visual and audio!? please explain. thanks

[ClearMindMeditation]

@carpozi22 I made a short demonstration video that helps explain it. Look in the description of this video where I've placed a link to the explanation.

Hope this helps - good luck!

[carpozi22]

@ClearMindMeditation

I saw you other video, but I just wanna make sure I got this right.

I am gonna give you and example ignoring the audio (obviously) and please tell me if I got it correct (assuming N=2)

sequence is: a d a d w s e s e

so you would hit match for : the second a, the second d, the second s and the second e

or you would hit match for : the second a and the second e only!?

Please reply and thanks

[ClearMindMeditation]

@carpozi22 You've got it!

You would hit the button for the second a, second d, second s and second e.

Every time the stimuli repeats at the n-back level you are training, you would press the button to register a match.

[carpozi22]

@ClearMindMeditation

thank you so much.. :)

this can get really hard once you get advanced!!

[farsh66]

I got to 6 N-back after 1 months and 5 days of practicing. I practiced everyday, for 20 minutes during that period (probably missed 3 or 4 days). Quite unbelievable to get to 6 N-back.

And thanks, your video got me started! I am interested to see how much my IQ changed compared to last year, I will try to redo the mensa IQ test when they let me, I dont know if they do once you are a member. Will report back.

[ClearMindMeditation]

@farsh66 That's great to hear. Getting to 6-back in one month is quite an accomplishment.

Just from personal experience, I believe that an IQ test administered by a health professional will give you a more accurate result. You may be able to find a local school that provides testing services. If you do take another test, I'd love to hear your results.

Either way, thanks for the comment - I'm glad that this video encouraged you!

[Ramiromasters]

You could also try NZT-48!

[ClearMindMeditation]

@Ramiromasters I'm not sure that worked out so well in the movie. In light of that I'd recommend the natural method - mental exercise.

[Ramiromasters]

@ClearMindMeditation Well I'm really interested in all that subject, but I'm just not so sure it works. I mean I wouldn't even mind if its a small amount like 5%. But solving small video game problems or becoming slightly better at mental adding and stuff is not what I'm looking for, I'm talking about lets say watching Obama on tv he mentions the word "yes we can" and your brain brings up a memory of a book on crowd manipulation. Do you think expanding awareness its possible?

[ClearMindMeditation]

@Ramiromasters Even a small affect can have great impact over time. Mental development is something that is best viewed as a long-term commitment.

The type of knowledge you describe would take at least a decade of constant growth. Reading and applying your intellect to problems is the only way your mind will develop the way that you want. There is no magic pill; it just takes dedication and practice. The rewards are worth it.

[carmaj156]

Hi. Does this will increase my intelligence as well? I don't want to increase my score just because, I want to increase my mental abilities (I already have an IQ of 130). Of course a higher score will increase my self confidence (140 would be nice LOL) but my main goal is to train my brain so it would be helpful in real life. BTW how much is the score MENSA asks to join them? And just in case: no, I don't like vanity, I just appreciate understanding and learning.

[ClearMindMeditation]

@carmaj156 Hi - thanks for the comment. The purpose of this training is to improve working memory and Gf (fluid intelligence). Your improved mental abilities should translate to a higher IQ in testing.

MENSA requires a score in the top 2% - generally this is an IQ of 132 on standard tests.

If you want to improve both mental ability and IQ score, it can be accomplished through regular training with the Dual N-back task (reading is always helpful too). Good luck :)

[WeAreChuckNorris]

@ClearMindMeditation so, if I have an IQ of 127 with a standart deviation of 16 that means that I'm MENSA capable?

[ClearMindMeditation]

@WeAreChuckNorris Standard deviation is dependent on the test you use to measure your IQ. I believe that for the Weschler IQ tests the SD is 15. You are nearly 2 SD's above average and are quite close to the cutoff required by MENSA. With some practice I believe that you would be able to meet their requirements.

If you reach 2 SD's above average on the Stanford-Binet IQ test, then this would also qualify you.

[WeAreChuckNorris]

@ClearMindMeditation Thx for the reply :) I wouldnt join MENSA if my life depended on it. I've seen reports, news, interviews. Most of them are proud jerks and somehow they belive their superior to everybody else. Thats not the mentality of inteligent people. Polished turd is still a turd, in their case, clever idiots are still idiots.

[ClearMindMeditation]

@WeAreChuckNorris I understand where you are coming from, however It can be dangerous to generalize like that. I'd agree that an egotistical perspective doesn't suit a truly intelligent person.

[RyanCrescens]

Question - How would you say the speed at which you're playing correlates to your overall gain? In a previous comment you mentioned how you believe the standard speed presents the greatest benefit, however I'm a bit confused. Why is this?

As the standard speed seemed too slow, I've been playing the Quad-N-Back for a few weeks now; and the only difference I've noticed is how much more time I can save. (For reference, I normally play at 4 and 5-N Back.)

[ClearMindMeditation]

@RyanCrescens You've actually used quad speed n-back? I didn't think that speed was even reasonable to use. You must be quite skilled.

I can't really say how speed correlates with gain. I'm not aware of any studies that have been done.

My comment on the speed n-back was just my opinion. It seems that the speed n-back is similar to a normal conversation whereas the normal speed is a bit slower. I can't say for sure how speed training affects IQ.

[lifeandphilosophy]

Have you taken an IQ test before and after training?

[Jakeofjoy]

Thanks for posting! A question - at which speed do you think the training is most effective, standard speed, a little faster?

[ClearMindMeditation]

@Jakeofjoy Well, the standard speed is based on the original study. I'm not sure what effects the speed N-back has. I just enjoy using it when I don't have time for a full session. It's more convenient to get through 10 trials quickly with speed N-back.

Also, I find that it tends to reflect the speed of a normal conversation, so in that way I find it helpful.

[Jakeofjoy]

@ClearMindMeditation  Great, thanks!

[MrDeception83]

@ClearMindMeditation i'm sure you get this a lot, but did you take a professionally given iq test before and after your training? i took an iq test when i was young and scored in the average, from what i remember my iq is 98. so will it be increased by 40%?

[ClearMindMeditation]

@MrDeception83 I took the entrance exam for MENSA but didn't meet their requirements. I researched various mental training techniques and discovered Dual N-back. After training I consulted with a psychologist; he administered the WAIS-3. According to the results I would say that I achieved an approximate 15% gain in IQ score.

[usernamesucks99]

@ClearMindMeditation What does the N back average mean? I mean if I have a higher score does it mean I've improved? I thought lower average = improvement but I scored significantly higher when I was performing at my best, just want to make sure.

[ClearMindMeditation]

@Jakeofjoy ...to answer your question though, I think it's best to stick with standard speed if you are trying to gain the greatest benefit from training.

When I trained I would do two 10 trial sessions, one in the morning, and one a bit later. I found it to be effective this way.

[HaHaStuPadasso]

I don't understand what the letters represent Do the letters relate to the position on the keyboard?

[ClearMindMeditation]

@HaHaStuPadasso Yes. The letters represent the keys you press when you have a match. Press the "L" key when you have an audio match, and the "A" key when you have a visual match.

[HaHaStuPadasso]

@ClearMindMeditation But what constitutes a match? Two of the same letters/pictures in a row? Or is it every other letter/picture?

[ClearMindMeditation]

@HaHaStuPadasso The "how to" tab on the site has a brief walk through. At 2-back you would register a match on every other output. So, in the string "A H A" - The second "A" would be a match. In the string "C A D A" - again the second "A" would be a match.

When it goes to 3-back matches are as follows: "A C D A" - The second "A" would be a match. "C H S T H" - Here the second "H" would be a match.

I hope this helps.

[sophie8977]

thank you so much, I love these kind of games, I started playing it yesterday, and what's interesting is that at the beginning the 2back seemed to be easy for me, I got 100% after 2-3 sessions, I started with 3back (I failed of course-damn it's hard!) got back to 2back and I just couldn't focus anymore! I was doing about 50-60%, and dont know maybe my mind got tired but it took me about 16 sessions to jump to 3back. I still have no idea how to get to 4back, right know it seems impossible.

[ClearMindMeditation]

@sophie8977 I'm glad you enjoy it :) It's important to give yourself a rest in between sessions. When I started training I would play for 10 minutes then try again later in the day. 3-back is tough at first. You will be so surprised when you master it though. It feels good to reach 4-back, and I know you will!

Keep at it.

[sophie8977]

@ClearMindMeditation thank you so much for your advise! I will keep practicing, for sure!

[itsmattgw]

You would have to wonder how intelligent this program would make someone if the people practicing on it are unable to explain it in a logical, easy to understand way.

[ClearMindMeditation]

@itsmattgw What are you having difficulty with?

[itsmattgw]

Hi, I understand how to play it, and enjoy the game, but I know most people aren't going to get it because the instructions aren't clear. Most people are going to have to figure out how to play on their own.

but great game, I really enjoy the "speed back".

[ClearMindMeditation]

@itsmattgw You're right. It takes some time to figure out how to play. I'm probably going to do another video soon focusing solely on how to do the exercise.

The next video will be shorter than this one, and only describe how to play the game. Thanks for the feedback.

[bcroger2]

Awesome thanks for the video :)

I hope this helps me out in school.

[ClearMindMeditation]

@bcroger2 No problem - hope you have fun with it. I think it will help you. Just stick with the practice, and it will help improve your memory and concentration. :)

[zeroimpossible]

Do you know how much you have been able to raise your own IQ by? I have played about 70 sessions. I have reached 3 back and I am really close to advancing to 4 back. Thanks

[ClearMindMeditation]

@zeroimpossible You've reached a good goal! Congrats. I definitely recommend that you keep going.

I trained for about 3 months and was able to go from 2-back to 4-back consistently; every so often reaching 5 or 6 -back.

The original study says that fluid intelligence was improved by about 40%. This is my experience as well.

Are you playing once a day? Do you split your sessions?

[AaL3XaNd3R09]

I think it improves IQ because without a proper explanation of how its played its hard as hell to figure out.

[ClearMindMeditation]

@AaL3XaNd3R09 Funny and true. It does take some trial and error to figure out exactly when you are supposed to register a match.

Have fun with the training :)

[rox3ana]

thank you!

[pawbard]

Geat video! Well done and thanks.

[nextbest47]

what if im too stupid to play the game in the first place? any suggestions?

[ClearMindMeditation]

@nextbest47 You are not too stupid to play the game. It doesn't require intelligence, just patience and observation.

Take your time. Make sure you understand the basic concept and when to register a match. Get used to the core level of 2-3 back. Make sure you walk through the tutorial on the site. Keep at it and don't worry if it takes a few sessions before you 'get it'.

At first I had some trouble figuring out when to push the buttons too.

[ThePoeticAngel]

it's really hard for me to comprehend how you play this game :( I tried out the how to play but it's still confusing for me because how do you know if it's a visual or an audio?

I'm only 14 years old so do I have to be older to play this?

[sophie8977]

@ThePoeticAngel ,,Press A (position match) if the POSITION of the blue square is the SAME as it was 1 trial back (i.e., the square appears in the same position twice in a row).

Press L (letter match) if the LETTER you hear is the SAME it was 1 trial back (i.e., you hear the same letter twice in a row).'' i hope it helps

[Oyeev]

Btw, thanks very much for uploading this video, now I think I have found a superior treatment against my AD/HD.

[ClearMindMeditation]

Yes, Oyeev I do believe that this exercise will help you regain focus. You may also be interested in an exercise called "SuperBrain Yoga". Just do a youtube search for the explanation.

I will send you a PM providing links to the forum, as well as more information on the exercises.

[Oyeev]

I have just one question: Is your intelligence really increased or is it just simply better exploited?

Cause I doubt that your brain for example will change much, perhaps you are just using your brain more and that you arent actually become more intelligent, youre just using more of your real capacity or what?

[ClearMindMeditation]

Good question, but it's one that cannot be answered completely here. There is a forum of users on google who train, and discuss the Dual N-back task at length, which I recommend you join. In my experience, the value of the exercise is that it develops your concentration and working memory. I believe that it does change the structure of your brain. For further evidence you may be interested to read about neuroplasticity.

Best regards

[Oyeev]

Is that forum on the Mindflow website?

[zadeh79]

If you read the Jaeggi article, it is hypothesized that working memory tasks will train circuits that 'overlap with circuits that effect fluid intelligence'.

[ClearMindMeditation]

It's been a while since I read the article, but that does sound accurate. The people in the forums discuss things of that nature in great detail. My interest is based purely on empirical results.

[zadeh79]

You know there have been more experiments showing positive results too.

[zadeh79]

Yes, it can be. It has probably long been known among few, and certainly suspected among many, that intelligence can be boosted. The increases have been documented by multiple authors. Your brain is more plastic, the younger you are, so gains in intelligence are larger all the way through late adolescence and early adulthood. There is enough to convince me that there were even people who should have been considered gifted at an early point in life, and later reduced to normalacy (IQ level).

[ClearMindMeditation]

I would agree. The more I read, the more I notice that many thinkers believe that the structure of our education system inhibits creative intelligence. So, the statement that gifted people tend to develop a normalized IQ is fairly accurate.

[ThePaul1E]

@ClearMindMeditation Hi,

research has shown that brain games and other brain teasers does not work.

If we just say that this game is one of those games that does actually work, what is your opinion and experience involving other brain games?

[ThePaul1E]

@ClearMindMeditation Hi,

research has shown that brain games and other brain teasers does not work.

If we just say that this game is one of those games that does actually work, what is your opinion and experience involving other brain games?

[ClearMindMeditation]

@ThePaul1E It has been proven that the benefits of this exercise transfer to other tasks. Essentially this means that exercising your brain with Dual N-back will improve your ability to complete other mental challenges.

Most other brain games will help you improve your ability to perform a particular task. I wouldn't say they don't work. Just that they don't improve general performance.

[ThePaul1E]

@ClearMindMeditation

Thank you very much, and I appreciate the answer.

[ThePaul1E]

@ClearMindMeditation

Know how much have you been able to increase your iq?

And do you think it depends a little bit on how much iq you posess from the very start? or just overall an increase of 40% of fluid intelligence for all individuals?

[ClearMindMeditation]

@ThePaul1E No problem; glad to help. The original study states that the average gain in IQ was 40%. They also said that the amount of gain was dependent on training time. It was not determined whether or not there is an upper limit.

The study showed that those with a lower initial IQ had more significant gains.

You can find a link to the original study on themindflow (dot) com site; on the about page.

[ajaxericbruntleet]

I'm definetly gonna give a shot and stick with it.

[ClearMindMeditation]

No Problem :) Glad to help.

[slavikolev]

Thanks :D