Scientology: WISE Fraud 5/5

[coppilcus]

Their certainly brave to come out and talk about it... but what a pair of moorons they are!

[porkmonkey]

@coppilcus I don't think they are morons, they just wanted more outta life. You can't fault them for that. Besides, who knows what kind of predatory tactics Scientology used to get their time and money. You can't judge people until you've walked in their shoes. I'm not trying to down your comment, I guess I just feel sorry for em.

[velveetaslingshot]

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but it is hard to feel sorry for this guy. I went to a Get Motivated! seminar recently and through a whole day of dodging scams without spending a dime. This guy voluntarily gave $125,000 to a bunch of fruitcakes who told him they could change his life.

p.s.

His wife is hot....

[porkmonkey]

@velveetaslingshot "His wife is hot" - dude, you gotta check the resolution on your screen =)

[jagara1]

Thank you very much for this - it is an act of great generosity to share your story and warn others of Scientology :)

[globe255]

I have seen a very eager man who was about to join a course, his eyes had a glint of excitement on his way to the course. He was so excited that im sure he didnt thought much about the prize for the course, just that he would be more socalled "clear". That kind of glint in your eyes will you only get because you are brainwashed. BRAINWASHING = hypnosis (manipulation of the unconscious and conscious mind) + intimidation + caring ↔ MANIPULATION.

[globe255]

The reason why people will pay for those socalled "services" is simply because they are brainwashed.

BRAINWASHING = hypnosis (manipulation of the unconscious and conscious mind) + intimidation + caring ↔ MANIPULATION.

[Farfallevendetta1234]

God those poor, charming people. Tey're so articulate revealing the mercenary nature of this organization.

[annaknowsu]

Very brave of you guys to speak out in this video. Thank you for your courage.

[tinchoguitar5]

100.000 usd or even more for an ordinary lie-detector and tons of useless cap seem so idiot.

[LinkBlink]

Geeze! You pay $100,000's in classes, $40,000 as charity plus you give them all there books & tapes back to resell, get claimed as an SP, get tackled by the News, lose all your money, lose all your customers... & not even a thank you!

Now that's the $cientology I know! KSW!

[DarrellPeel]

What kind of religion cons peoples out of serious cash? Scientology is a joke.

[core1976scotland]

50k per L,& theres 9 L`s,Stuff that.

[theedrstrangelove]

Funny but sad. A conman getting conned. I mean c'mon now. Kevin Trudeau and chiropracty in the same household, and they are Scientologists in the first place. Someone, please give me their address, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell.

[Metalaseylypse]

Any establishment that splices the word "science" into its name is clearly trying too hard to come off as more than it is. That's the first thing I realized the second I was told the name. I thought it must be a joke.

[dinoroxxx]

See how these people don't even know how the Co$ operates with the people at the orgs. Clear proof of how the parishioners don't really know what is REALLY going on.

[silbitnuoc]

Notice how so many people want to leave but remain in good-standing with CO$? Because they fear being labled SP they send a bunch of ass-kissing letters?

[StopUnumNow]

Many thanks for posting

[4bibimimi]

these people were well-defrauded before the housing and stock market tanked. what's their status within the 'church' now??

[dante13xy]

I wish the interviewer had asked the wife why she finally got involved. She was a skeptic at first and they glossed over what convinced her.

[adamchristopher]

Kevin Trudeau? L Ron Hubbard?

These people are retarded, plain and simple.

[lejink]

i wouldnt put trudeau in the same class as hubbard. iv givin a few of kevin's books a read i enjoyed them, found a lot of useful information in them. i wouldnt say hes trying to scam people out of millions of dollars.. the prices on his books are very reasonable.

[fluorophore]

Chiro, MLM, Scientology.. what other scams are these two morons mixed up in?

[11Jamie11]

It's a fair question, but I've personally experienced helpful chiro. It wasn't a scam.

[emartin612]

It finally makes sense! They're a gigantic marketing cult.. they sell you endless crap on the path of enlightenment that isn't there. amazing work, keep it up and expose these greedy wingnuts!

[998987987698765]

These seem like two very nice people. It's too bad this has happened to them. Too bad they did not get what they were promised especially after spending all that money. There is for sure out tech here and it's not their fault but the fault of the COS.

[jdtrickster4]

But L Con Hubbard is a wonderful man, right, 998987987, etc.?

And you're here looking for preclears for your outside "IN TECH" $cn practice, am I right?

jdtrickster4 <== is a rocket scientist ;)

[998987987698765]

J D...I have come to the conclusion you have a problem with rejection.What's the matter,didn't mommy love you enough?We have both expressed our opinions about the issue. We are at an impasse yet you still continue to communicate?? Are you really that desperate to find someone to talk to?? Try Myspace or Face book.

[jdtrickster4]

LOL I have a problem with rejection because I know and express the fact $cn is a fraud? My mother, RIP, was a saintly woman full of love & caring & in no small part thanks to her I had an idyllic childhood.

"We have both expressed our opinions about the issue."

You continue to express yours without a care or concern from me as I understand it to be your right. I think you seem to forget I have the same rights. I shall continue to exercise mine without desperation.

Are you trying to stop me?

[the42anonymous]

It's glorious, in January 2008 scientology's websites were temporarily expelled from the web by a group of teens and basement dwellers. Since then there have been 7 or so protests worldwide with over 50,000 participants each. While scientology sits taking advantage of the rich, anonymous waits for it to overstep it's bounds again.

[lajefra]

thanks for the videos. hopefully rich people can learn from this couple.

[dirtrail]

Very interesting interview. You have to feel sorry for people drawn in, because as easy as it is to just call this couple stupid, they obviously arent or they wouldnt have been able to earn the money to give to them in the first place. They perhaps could have done with a little more common sense and a better grounding in reality, but it still goes to show how sophisticated scientology is in terms of the scam.

[Serge808]

huh? u have to be smart to make $?...huh...Britney Spears

[dirtrail]

There's a big difference between a piece of trailer-trash jailbait being coerced by her pushy mother into performing and someone who actually applies themself to learning a trade, running a business and saving money. I'd call Brittany Spears an exeption.

[wisenedone]

That's $camology for ya...GLAD they got OUT!!

[Sunkista]

What?? The mean ole nasty Cult let them "walk"? They didn't lock them in a room and deprive them of food and water? Denied them Doctors care?? What??

Give me a BREAK!!!! IT just goes to show you that being a scientologist is a choice.. You can come or you can go...voluntarily

[auchraw]

These people were parishioners (= mugs):like the celebrities they can walk out any time. The ones who are trapped are staff, Sea Org, punishment squads & so on.

[yuothineyesasian]

Uh.. they were excommnicated, AKA, ripped off. Anyone that listens to hubbard is an idiot

[Dragonisti]

Im with the previous poster. Of all the people there are worthy pitying who've been subjected to scientology, these two are not among them. They are gullible greedy slime who made their money selling a fairy tale and then got taken by one themselves. The only sad part of this story is they pseudo woke up and now the only people suffering from pipe dreams are those THEY make money off of. Kevin Trudeau... Jesus I want to vomit...

[Pavoreax]

Hahaha! So, he's a chiropractor (scam) and he fell into Scientology (scam) and then he left because the wouldn't let him follow do something with Kevin Trudeau (scam). This guy is hopeless. This was 2001? By now, I'm sure he's selling Herbalife at his Promise Keepers meetings in between his EST seminars.

[reed2slc]

what is your crimes ? ;) lulz

[jacksback25]

Wow. Those poor people. What a horrible lesson to learn. But it proves one thing - all the Cult of Scientology is really about is MONEY. If we as a people deny them funds funds at every turn, then this evil organization will, in time, wither, dry up and blow away.

[jdtrickster4]

That's all it boils down to, jack - the MONEY! The rest is the fluff, THE CON, the cotton candy that melts in your mind and there's nothing left behind but debt, sorrow, frustration, unhappiness, illness and sometimes even DEATH!

[logansGT]

Scientology is not a religion, it's a SCAM!

The Co$ must be destroyed.

[frisko29]

shatter suppression shatter scientology

[hellsingorg1]

fucked up.... i saw every episode..... fucked up...... my heart goes out the this man and this woman. fucked up... take down the cult.

[tweekernessism]

we need to take this scam of a cult DOWN!

[82abhilash]

That would help. I agree.

[11Jamie11]

Years ago I made a rule for myself:

Never make a big decision before "sleeping on it" first.

It's served me well. I broke the rule once and regretted it within a year, heh.

[xenubie]

I'm glad we protest the Cult. Each time we do, we save some people from falling into their snares.

[DKHellsing]

What are you supposed to say to something like that? I mean, we're all against $cientology, so you gotta feel sorry for these people... But on the other hand, they gave "thousands of dollars" to the enemy of Anonymous... So fuck them!

[Anonanonanonymous]

This interveiw is from 2001, long before anon took notice of the Co$, when critics were still scarce, and info still hard to find.

[anonymous1312]

No. They were duped out of thousands of dollars. People make honest mistakes and organisations like WISE are there to take advantage so yeah, I do feel sorry for them.

[turntablistinreno]

WISE is nothing more then a front group. Their sole purpose is to get you into scientology. How do they do it?????

They seek out your ruin and take advantage of it. How is that a religion?

Sounds more like a business.

[ANONACID]

another biased interview from mark bunker

keep it up

we will shut you down soon.

[kurtilein3]

ANONACID is a stupid scientologist liar.

only scientologists say that mark bunker is biased and needs to be shut down.

[Anonanonanonymous]

anonacid sent me a pm claiming to be a freezoner, and asking me why I "attack" scientology and not the "illegal war"...

Some freezoner. attacks those who attack the organisation that you left because it was corrupt??

I think not!!

[Relyt22]

Actually I don't think that was Mark who was doing the interview. It didn't sound like his voice. Besides, it wasn't so biased considering they mentioned some good that they got out of it. But the good they got out of it was practically microscopic compared to the bad they got out of it.

[kurtilein3]

relyt22: yes, you are right, mark bunker is probarbly just hosting it.

and when it comes to the few stuff in scientology that might actually be usefull... you can get that online or from the freezoners for free. and without all the lies. scientology is organized crime, period.

[dopehousex3]

Wow thats some crazy stuff hope everyone that viewd this video never get suckerd into $cientology.

[TubeDupe]

I think one's stance towards Scientology is all about religious education: if you have been in touch with some sort of religion, and if you have been somewhat educated and cautioned, you are pretty unlikely to fall for them. If you just naively chance upon them, you might be in trouble. Especially as I have heard from various sources that their entry courses are really quite good (and cheap).

[kurtilein3]

tubedupe: if you are a member of any particular religion, this means that you have already started to believe in bullshit, this means that the chances that scientology can get you are very high. and if scientology doesnt get you, then another cult like the baha'i or mormons or LDS will.

if you already managed to figure out that religion is bullshit, and when the concept of faith rings your alarm-bells, and when you question your beliefs, then it might be difficult for cults like scientology.

[Relyt22]

Except that many people are happy being apart of religion, and it keeps them going. Scientology just keeps draining you of happiness and money. I'm not religious myself, but I don't condemn everything religion does, I just wish for people to have the ability to question their beliefs every now and then.

[WeAreCalledLegion]

Bullshit and Skepticism are not exclusive to religious matters.

[11Jamie11]

"if you already managed to figure out that religion is bullshit"

Man is religious by nature. Some of us believe in science ("scientism"?); some in a god, some in ourselves, some in agnosticism. But we all believe in something. We can't help it. :)

[kurtilein3]

beliefs can be based on empirical evidence, observable facts, common sense, the scientific method, repeatable experimental results, and modern philosophy.

beliefs can also be based on ignorance, ancient texts, warm fuzzy feelings, and beliefs can be the results of perpetuous deception, lies, and the tricks of con artists. but this makes our societies less humane, and less able to improve.

there is only one reality. religion causes people to detach from that reality.

[11Jamie11]

Your religion is that of the empiricist, then. In insisting on its inherent superiority, you've become every bit the dogmatist that you decry in others.

We've now left this video behind though; I'll stop here. Internet arguments are rarely productive anyway. :-)

[kurtilein3]

when you stand up in the morning, decide that you want toast as part of your breakfast, and then realize that there is no toast left in your home right now, and you decide to eat something else, then you are being empirical. you deal with the facts. how much faith does it take?

if your definition of religion is so warped that empiricism, whatever you mean by that, is a religion, then arent the republican party and mcdonalds religions too? whats your definition?

[11Jamie11]

You've skipped over an assumption you make, in your example. The assumption is against any possible "deus ex machina". How can you justify that assumption?

Also, of course mundanities lend themselves readily to empirical handling, but what about deeper issues like what is "right" or "wrong" -- or whether those even exist at all?

YT sux for deep debates, so I'll probably lay off on that note.

Amazing realization (for me): It's OK to be [seen as being] wrong. :)

[XenuTravolta]

Where's 3 & 4?

[cheapy2006]

ditto

[kurtilein3]

online now, i just watched them, mark bunker always uploads the episodes in random order ;)

[Zenn3k]

They exist, just not showing up under the related videos section for some reason (probably youtube's fault). If you click Mark's Youtube account name and look at through his videos you can find all 5 of them.

[Relyt22]

It usually takes quite a few hours before all the truly related videos compile up together.

[jxhensley]

It's no surprise that WISE picks up so many chiropractors, because chiropractors use the same anti-scientific, try-it-and-see hook that Scientology uses.

[11Jamie11]

I tried it and it worked instantly for my back spasms. And it cost me under $100, cash, done in 1 visit, under an hour, no further treatment necessary, never got hassled/spammed after.

I'm perfectly happy with what I got from that chiro and would go again any time and freely recommend same to anyone I meet.

Seems that there is some broad-brushing going on re: chiropractors.

[zero2kx]

This is exactly why you have to learn to question everything. Most people will just go with the flow to not disrupt the heard but Co$ is the perfect example of what happens when you don't stand up for yourself.

[loloolololololol]

they seem intelligent enough, but very uncritical.

[11Jamie11]

"they seem intelligent enough, but very uncritical."

They seem to be catching on now though. :)

[takerdust]

This guy is sort of an apologist for Scientology.

Way of Happiness has BRILLIANT info like, Don't Murder people!

[takerdust]

Kevin Trudeau should be deported.

[Alprazolam]

I liked when they were outraged when they shoved the way to happiness into the school system. He's like "well it's good stuff, it has good advice, but since it was written by Blubbard they wrote an article in the local newspaper about us." Really? What he failed to realize is that this way to happiness is a stepping stone of indoctrination into the Co$. His local community felt betrayed because it was not made transparent that this was a Co$ front group promoting Blubbards tech.

[lig231]

This is the best thing I have ever seen.

[dopehousex3]

Scientology is a Scam orginization.

[analyzingfunny]

This is great. Real life input form members. I love it.

[spaceagedevice]

Kevin Trudeau was banned by FTC for fraud. Co$ should be banned as well. Seems like these people know businesses that deal with fraud very well.

[Alprazolam]

This man suffers from a common syndrome that educated people suffer from. They are book smart but not street smart. No common sense whatsoever.

[82abhilash]

I totally agree with the both of you. Scientology, MLM, Kevin Trudeau. These people are poster children for the gullible book smart individuals. Too bad they do not teach skepticism in schools and colleges. If they did I am sure most of them would be forced to shut down. The amount of useful knowledge I got through (overpriced) formal education where like grains of gold in a ton of mud.

[TyphoonChaos]

Don't stress yourself over it, youtube's horrible at this sort of stuff. I let a video upload over night, and it still didn't actually upload (the video is only about a minute long, too).

[fikealox]

That was a fascinating watch. They seemed like two very intelligent, well-spoken people, and I guess that the fact that they were sucked in serves as a perfect illustration of just how seductive Scientology can be. I'm glad they managed to get out and move on with their lives.

[82abhilash]

Any body who is intelligent and has a high opinion of their intelligence can fall prey for these kinds of con games. There is no easy way out. We all have to take actions based on incomplete information. One needs to have self-esteem, but one also needs to be self-critical. I myself choose a heuristic approach. Understand the risk and the worst possible outcome before I jump in. Research on the expereinces of similar people in such similar circumstances. Like this, it helps.

[jnycnuk]

anything to do with scientology turns to shit sooner or later.

[Maerlex]

Wise beard man

His words are wise

His face is beard

[RichardNeverend]

Wise beard man

His words are wise

His face is beard

[Katalyzt]

Thanks for uploading this! Everyone should be made aware of this cult! ★★★★★

Katalyzt

[iaxiloll]

great footage 5*****

[XXBloodLust47XX]

Scientology is a stupid fucking cult and its members will be brought down hopefully soon

[11Jamie11]

"Scientology is a stupid fucking cult and its members will be brought down hopefully soon"

I'd like its members brought _out_ instead. They're down enough right now.

[kurtilein3]

""Scientology is a stupid fucking cult and its members will be brought down hopefully soon"

I'd like its members brought _out_ instead. They're down enough right now. "

great comment. if we dont agree on religion, and even while you think science requires faith (which is wrong, science is definitiviely not a religion), we can agree that scientology is destructive to its members.

[11Jamie11]

As long as there's no force or fraud, people should be free to do, read, think, and believe whatever they prefer. Labels such as "faith" or "religion" or "science" or even "cult", while often useful, are ultimately cosmetic. What matters most are the actions taken by individuals. Where those actions become harmful toward others, intervention by outsiders becomes proper. Barring that, we should all be free. MHO.

[Amotter]

Your words are beard,

Your face is wise.

Oshi whaaa?

[VaderGaming]

WISE BEARD MAN

[Vermath]

eff scientology

[ANON41591]

god ppl are horrible used by this cult

i hope we can get rid of its abuse soon

[jeffaz1971]

Long Live WBM. Soon Death for Co$.

[Anonanonanonymous]

"Scientology" and "multi level marketing" mentioned in the same sentence??

Wow, I should have heard that before, Co$ IS a form of MLM!!

Primerica, AmWay, Co$, ripoff, ripoff, ripoff...

[TyphoonChaos]

Five of five, from two of five? I hope you upload the other parts, I want to watch these =D

Thanks for uploading these. I like watching your videos. Your words are wise, and your face is beard.

[supervillan]

WBM! yay more info. Scientology its a god damn cult!.