17/8 Seventeen Eight Drum Beat

[Jamsessionroom1337]

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[SickyHamiltonTV]

Can someone please tell me how this is being counted in his head to come up with the number 17? I have tried to count this repeatedly and do not come up with that number.

[Jiveness]

@SickyHamiltonTV The beat repeats every time I've hit the ride bell 17 times.

[McMatthew23]

this is the most awkward thing i've ever heard.

[badguitardude24]

It sounds like your drumming in reverse. I have to say that was pretty awesome.

[Jiveness]

@TrajektorieLogik Jase?

[Jiveness]

@Jiveness Yes

[deansinghgill]

the quality is so bad in this video the cymbals sound like they've been reversed :S

[richard31693]

@deansinghgill I know, but I almost like it in a grunge, ghost-like creepy way xD

[CowboyIncredible]

so i swear to christ that thats a Volumes breakdown or something lol

[TheJeremyAndColour]

Sounds like alexisonfire

[bloodfang100]

Sounds like a Circa Survive drum beat.

[Allplussomeminus]

NICE! Realy Groovy.... I don't care much for the technicallities with music.... Music should be fun.... The world is already technical as it is.

[hopskotchrecords]

@Allplussomeminus technicality is fun.

[tjd8705]

I find it interesting how the two most liked comments are completely opposite views.

[71rubies]

Cool beat which I counted in sixteenth notes, one measure in 15/16 and the other measure in 19/16 which equals one bar of 17/8. The Mahavishnu Orchestra used to perform odd meters at fast tempos, and Billy Cobham used to shred with them when they did.Check out You Tube of The Mahavishnu Orchestra to find out what I'm referring to.

[00Dakka]

so compressed SO COMPRESSED

[XenoJesus]

Want to be impressive? Crank out a 29/16 drum beat.

[progrhythmical]

It doesn't mater what the phrasing is. He could phrase this multiple ways. If you say he is playing in x/4 he could also be playing in x/8 at double the tempo. It doesn't matter you hear, as long as it adds up then what he wants to phrase it is what it is. Subdivide it how ever you like lol. I think it might sound good in the right context

[lurkeriana]

Appreciate, man! It sounds really good and as I analysed it`s not so difficult. I got a tab))))))) wanna use it in my own composition, if you don` mind)

[Drumtome]

That sir, is 17/4. Not 8, because you aren't subdividing into eight notes, it is in quarter notes. Therefore, since it is carried in quarter notes, its either 34/8 or 17/4.

[Jiveness]

@Drumtome Hmm, I guess you're right. When I play I really think of it as ending halfway through the 9th quarter note and then starting over, and I didn't think it was right to say 9(1/2)/4, so I just called it in eighth notes. That is at least how I count it in my head, as eighth notes.

It's weird, what kind of note to say things are subdivided by, because who's to say I'm not really doing this in 32nd notes, but at a really slow tempo? Anyway, thanks for the correction.

[Drumtome]

@Jiveness I don't think the polyrythym would work if it was 32nds like that, because if it was 17/8 the 4/4 polyrythym wouldn't line up?

[goodnamepending]

@Jiveness but saying 9.5/4 is cooler, cause even tools schism is 13.5/16

[erikimba]

@goodnamepending lmfao you will confuse seriously begginers, even some "profesional" musicians, dont understand that much fractions, they need to see whole numbers, look for the video of steve smith called "seven and a half"

[goodnamepending]

@erikimba hehe, i want to confuse beginners (great video by the way, im not a big jazz fan but Steve Smith is one of my drum teachers favorite drummers)

[iAZTEK]

@Jiveness of course you are right.

If you play a 3/4, 6/8, 12/8, you can actually make it sound similir if you just change tempo.

arguing about this is just lame, i can call my tempo whatever I want, nobody knows if im playing eight notes, or sixteen or quarter ones!

[Drumtome]

@Jiveness It could not be considered in 17/8 very slow as very slow 16ths because I believe the math would not work out correctly.

[OctopusCabbage]

@Jiveness You're not doing 32nd at a slow temp, because of how you are accenting it. That's how we know...

[Bordondrummer]

@Jiveness You could write it as 32nd notes, but it's all about what your head is moving to. Plus writing everything in 32nd notes is messy. And this beat makes your head move to the ride cymbal. In most musical cases, the quarter note gets the beat, and your ride is keeping a quarter note feel. Keep drumming, sounds sick.

[TheeAldeen]

@Drumtome BOSS comment! - Props Drumtome

[ixsetf]

@Drumtome that isn't necessarily true, for example 6/8 time is divide into two groups of three eighth notes, that doesn't make it 6/3, in fact the lower number can be any number as long as there are no time changes.

[Drumtome]

@ixsetf You need more theory knowledge before you decide to argue. The lower number can NOT be any number, it must be a multiple of two actually.

[ixsetf]

@Drumtome thats fucking retarded, first off, it should be a power of two not a multiple of two, second some early composers used mensural notation which allowed for such strange things as 6/3 time, third I intended that to be any number that was a power of two, I assumed you wouldn't be so stupid as to think I meant any number at all.

I am actually in an AP music theory course atm so...

[Drumtome]

@ixsetf Wow! I never thought about it like that, and in relevant times it is only a power of two. I understand they may have done that in the past but because I don't research music of the past I would never stumble onto that. I tend to go more with where its going, not has been. You should have structured you're argument better, you wouldn't have sounded as stupid and I wouldn't have taken it as such.

[backbeatbobby]

@Drumtome dude give it a rest ive watched your very beginner /intermediate drum videos i dont think your in any position to give out know it all advice

[Drumtome]

@backbeatbobby I don't know it all, lol hence why I was just corrected if you were paying attention.

About my videos, check the dates, their quite old.

[BluddyBoy123]

@Drumtome OR ITS JUST REALLY SLOW.

[Drumtome]

@BluddyBoy123 But realistically, you say that just purely for the sake of argument. I really don't think its just really slow.

[Mabanshi]

@Drumtome How do you know it is quarter notes actually ?

[HitmanJenkins1]

@Drumtome But of course such a time signature would be silly. No sensible person goes double the value of the low number. It would rather be 3 bars of 4/4 followed by a bar of 5/4 if that was the case

[Jiveness]

@HitmanJenkins1 Most professional musicians I've met and talked with count something in it's entirety as a riff. Otherwise you would just call everything as 1s, 2s, or 3s. Would would call 10/8 a silly time sig. because it can be reduced? It would be confusing learning a whole song in 3s and 4s. For example, no one counts Blue Rondo A la Turk as 2/16 2/16 2/16 3/16 2/16 2/16 2/16 3/16 etc, it's 9/8. It makes it easier to work w/ the whole beat counting the riff in its entirety.

[HitmanJenkins1]

@Jiveness 10/8 would not be silly, but 16/8 or above for example would be in my opinion, which is what I am talking about.

[Jiveness]

@HitmanJenkins1 Look up Matt Savage "Blues in 33/8." It might be easy to learn the drums as 7/8 7/8 5/16 etc., but for the sake of presentation it's easier to call something in its entirety. Also, trying to divide up a beat like 11/8 as a bar of 6 then a bar of 5 isn't necessarily the way the beat is divided up in terms of feel or the way it was written; you are presupposing the intent of the musician.

[HitmanJenkins1]

@Jiveness If other people do time sigs in such a way then that's perfectly fine by me to be honest, I prefer to divide them up.

[kpgpwi64]

SUPER COMPRESSION!!!! sounds like a periphery album=P

[TheModCon]

Dunno what ProgR is talking about, this has shit loads of groove. Great stuff!

[tazosborne]

sounds shit yeah

[progrhythmical]

It's cool that you are creative enough to come up with this. But if it doesn't groove it is pointless. And this has no groove imho.

[MousseMooseROCKS]

@progrhythmical Who says music always needs groove? I personally think its pretty groovy in its own way anyways.

[Jiveness]

@MousseMooseROCKS It has groove to me...

[00bilz]

That compression is fucking awesome, is that just a result of the camera mic?

[lakai958]

sounds like its backwards

[GeneralMillss]

the sound in this video is so fucking trippy

[19DrummerGirl97]

how on earth does this work?? O.o

i neeeed to knowww!! :LL

[Jiveness]

@19DrummerGirl97 *Hint Hint: Ignore the ride and just listen to the pattern with the feet and left hand.

[erikimba]

@19DrummerGirl97 Basically it´s a 3:4 polyrhythm. Melody of 11 notes divided in B--S--B--B--S--B--S--B--B--B--­S---- all 3/16s, only exception is the last snare 4/16 ( 10X3+4=34/16=17/8) Now 2 melodies of 17/8+17/8=34/8=17/4 (you can see overriding 17/4 cause in the first melody till beat 9 will be downbeats but second melody will be upbeats) hope it helps :) @Drumtome Right @Jiveness Cool man, Meshuggah inspired? Yes your way of thinking is correct, even you can think it as fives etc

[TheKylendawson]

@19DrummerGirl97 Something you'll learn over time is the hand keeping time, Ignore the F*ck out of it.

[pedro911212]

wow that is cool. im too stupid to do stuff like that

[Oli4drums]

that sounds great. I love the sou d of the ride how it fades in and cuts out because of the mic :P

[hawkcwg]

nice bro.

[hurlimann1]

nice one (Y) u could play eights on the ride and quarter on its bell, and off beat/outbeat on the hi-hat with ur foot, (overriding odd meters to smooth out the groove)

[Jiveness]

oh wow, that was a good suggestion because I tried it and I can't really do that yet!!!

[NotoriousFR]

hey do you think you could do one with eighth notes on the ride i have a guitar part that i would like to fit over a 17/8 groove

[Jiveness]

oh cool. You mean, there would be eighths on the ride INSTead of these quarter notes, right?

[NotoriousFR]

yah exactally

[antitommy]

Working on guitar part now!