Fairtax is a giant deceptoin -- funded by Grover Norguest apparently, and other dedicated liars. It's so goofy they won't dare have hearings on it. For example, Fairtax even taxes all mlitary pay and pensions -- in fact, New York City government would owe over 8 million -- 3 billion in advance.
Its goofy as fuck, its so goofy the bastards hide the crazy shit in their footnotes and fine print
Try GWBush adding $6 TRILLION to the National Debt in his two terms. Try GWBush BIRTHING the "2008 Bush Recession and Stock Market Collapse" that DESTROYED THE ENTIRE US ECONOMY into its worst catastrophe since the 1929 Great Depression. That Great Recession put millions out of their jobs and sunk thousands of businesses. And the 2 failed, unpaid Bush wars??
You Teaheads are STUPID-CRAZY when it comes to remembering RECENT history.
23 percent of 77 is 18. So a 77 cent coke will cost 95 cents. It's a pretty basic mathematical concept that the amount a set percent yields is different depending on the amount you are taking that percent from.
--An interesting side note is that if you add on the state sales tax of 8 percent, it does come out to be roughly one dollar, but that wasn't what Barber was arguing.--
Followed by a scene of a rag-tag battalion of old to late-middle aged Americans descending upon a local press conference, walking sticks in hand and cladded short-shorts that are stretched to the extremes in an effort to contain their dangerously enormous girths.
They don't know why their master bidded, but they've come to satisfy the lust of their persecution complex as they mercilessly hew obscenities at bewildered bystanders with juvenile rhetoric and the occasional racial remark.
Instead of running for office, this barber character needs to get his head out of his ass and get some schooling done. He couldn't or wouldn't answer any single question honestly or correctly, and the worst thing is that the people of Alabamastan will probably elect him to office. Sometimes I do think that we would have been better off as a country without the South!
Guy on the right has an alien-looking forehead.Looks likes he's been botoxed on top. You guys need to lighten up. No matter what his idea is, read this: It ain't going to happen,ever. Get it, ever.
and when I said never had an efficient government I mostly mean the local small failure governments plus a central government specifically created not to have any power and to be inefficient. Becoming president or senator in the US before Obama it was like winning a lottery and a long trip to the Bahamas paid by the constituents
America doesn't need MORE or LESS government. America needs EFFICEINT GOVERNMENT. The size is totally irrelevant. When you have 50 states in the US most of them of the same size and polulation of Denmark with local governments, attorney generals and senate and they are all corrupt, in debt, inefficient, unhealthy, poor, and with very high crime rate .... being small becomes totally irrelevant.
Denmark 10 years ago was 100% dependent on foreign oil, they invested in education, increased taxes on emissions, invested in infrastructure creating jobs. Today they are #1 in wind and solar and in 2011 all their cars will be electric and they area also the happiest country in the world. This should have been the US 10 years ago and we are still talking about stopping everything even with SO OBVIOUS evidences of success,
47% of the Americans DON'T PAY INCOME TAXES. Most of the taxes we pay are State and Local taxes. The only GIG FUCKING GOVERNMENT WHICH LIMITS OUR FREEDOM ..... IN LOCAL NOT FEDERAL. WHEN YOU HAVE STATES WHO DON'T ALLOW GAYS TO VISIT THEIR PARTNERS, BAN ABORTION EVEN IN CASE OF RAPE AND INCEST, RAISE TAXES (Teabagger Gov. Christie of NJ) to retired couples ($1300 for $40,000/y) and cutting taxes to billionaires and corporation monopoly (anti-capitalism, $12k for $1.2M)
It doesn't matter if the VAT is added at the manufacture/wholesaler level or the retail level, a product that cost a dollar after leaving the factory is still going to cost 1.23 to the person buying it.
That means the man at the bottom that buys consumables will be paying more percentage of their income than a person making 100 times more.
It will keep the poor poor and the rich man can leave the country and party.
I used to brush off of conservatives as religious freaks that had no friends and got no pussy,,, at least in NY,,, now im just saddened to see what you guys have become. Reading these comments I swear i heard all of them stupid ass "I love my country, U guys are maoist,Commie, Nazis" comments somewhere... O YEA Glenn Beck... Stop letting faux news control you... its seriously starting to get pathetic. ,,, Just had to vent, last youll b hearing from me.
Barber is either a simpleton for believing this, or he attempting to disguise further redistributing wealth towards the wealthy. The "embedded taxes" will not disappear. The ownership class will have a higher profit margin though. Thats pretty cool, for those of us on that side. For everyone else, get ready to pay 23% more for everything
Holy crap. I wish I could say Matthews was this stupid but I think he is intentionally misrepresenting what Barber is saying. What a useful idiot he is.
Does no one understand that a good portion of the price of any good or service you buy has taxes already factored in??? What Matthews is trying to hide or muddy up is that these taxes are what the Fair Tax would replace... let alone the income tax that you pay already... And Matthews is so in love with taxes that he can't seem to get it that he will be letting go of one tax to replace another.
Mr Matthews is correct, arithmetic matters, however, his is wrong.
There is no way Matthews is too stupid to understand how the Fairtax works. I think he is just simply trying to keep the few people that still watch him confused enough that they will just ignore the entire debate.
Okay MSNBC needs to fire this MAO LOVING ALINSKY HUMPING CIA PLANT as soon as possible and freedom loving Americans need to take back this country from the Globalists.
Man, never heard of this guy before but he got cut up. He must have thought he'd use this time to keep re-reading his campaign speeches. I'm a little behind the curve on this idea, so where does the 23% come from? Employee taxes, corporate taxes, or all of the above? Why is that more fair? Who is it more fair too? Who will be paying more taxes and who will pay less?
@NeverBeenThereBefore Simple: the more you buy, the more you pay. He wasn't reading campaign speeches, he was answering the same question over and over again. 23% is the FairTax rate, and the embedded taxes he was referring to are those plus, among others, payroll taxes.
@NeverBeenThereBefore It's not more fair. A truly fair tax would impose the same rate of taxation (same percentage) on ALL income across all income brackets with no deductibles except for dependents. A sales tax does not tax everyone at the same rate and is in fact regressive. Since lower and middle classes use a larger percentage of their income to buy necessities while upper classes invest, the poorest would pay out a greater percentage of income in taxes than the richest.
@chwparker I didn't hear Matthews stuttering and stammering and dodging DIRECT QUESTIONS. I didn't hear Matthews trying to respond to questions with questions. Were we watching the same thing?
@chwparker He asked the same question over and over because he, like I, failed to hear a real response. If I was questioning a salesman like Matthews grilled Barber and the response I got was like Barber's, I'd walk away. He parses his language, and the funny part is that he is not nearly as artful at it as he seems to think. "Do you know what a metaphor is?" Seriously?
@buppie2000 I heard the response loud and clear: "It will not add another tax, it replaces another tax." and, "yes, that would be the total sales tax rate, but it's replaces other taxes rather than adding another tax." Let's not forget that the federal income tax is added to state income taxes, but wouldn't be under the FairTax.
@chwparker You found nothing weasely about his responses to the impeachment charges, the raising of armies, etc.
Seriously? I seem to think I know DAMN GOOD AND WELL who he is talking about, and it is seriously weasely to suddenly adopt a "no specific person in mind" excuse. He should take his beliefs and OWN them. Another tap dancing weasel.
@chwparker And why the serious tap dancing when asked simple and direct questions regarding his audits. He brought up malicious auditing in his spot and that pretty much opens if up as a very fair question. Why the tap dancing? Just answer the truth and OWN it.
@buppie2000 PLUS Barber had to be put through a wringer (METAPHOR) to own up to the fact that, yes, he does live with a representative form of government. Sure it made impotent his claim that we are impotent to a dictatorship, but a simple TRUTH had to be beaten our of him (METAPHOR). This is someone you'd let represent you? Seriously? You'd settle for this?
@chwparker PLUS Barber had to be put through a wringer (METAPHOR) to own up to the fact that, yes, he does live with a representative form of government. Sure it made impotent his claim that we are impotent to a dictatorship, but a simple TRUTH had to be beaten our of him (METAPHOR). This is someone you'd let represent you? Seriously? You'd settle for this?
@buppie2000 Yes he was! As you can see the Libertarian T-Bag horde of illiterates are right here to defend their guy. Who is just another T-Bag lunatic.
@terimccarthy Please don't link this idiot (or most tea partiers) to Libertarians. We don't claim them, either. Libertarians support gay marriage, gay soldiers serving openly in the military, an end to the wars, legalized abortion, legalized prostitution, and an end to the drug war. We also don't consider religion a good enough reason to butt into your private life. I can guarantee you that this guy doesn't believe in those things.
@SupaYoda I am sure you are correct I knew some real libertarians, we had great discussions, no yelling, no bullying, I know you are correct, but they seem to be claiming you guys.
This country has been hijacked since 1913....Foreign banks took over in 1913...totally unconstitutional. We are now enslaved to debt, that is not freedom, this is not America. There is no representation for our taxation, we pay interest on debt created by criminals who destroy our wealth and steal from us for our labor. End THE FED!
Matthew's argument is flawed in its origin. At 4:00 he says the Fair Tax "adds" tax onto local and state tax and that "everybody knows it". Barber is repeatedly pointing out the fact that we are ALREADY PAYING IT. The Fair Tax simplifies the process
Matthews is counting on the people to be too stupid to see that; the same people who say "I didn't pay taxes this year, duh because I gots a refund", when of course if I take 10 bucks from you, then give back 2, I didn't give you money, I TOOK it.
Though for the poor and middle-class taxpayers (read: the majority of our population), FairTax would be a tax hike. That's because our rich don't spend as much of their income on consumables and product purchases, proportionally - they're more likely to invest more of their income.
FairTax is also vulnerable to black markets, especially when cash is involved. We'd need an IRS-sized organization to properly enforce the FairTax... VAT+income is more efficient and progressive.
@earp1673 Yes, Matthews' argument is wrong, but that doesn't make Barber's argument right. The question Matthews should have been asking is what "science and data... show a consumption based tax is far more productive for a society and far more fair?"
@uprightvital You have zero understanding of economics. All the taxes levied on manufacturer are ALREADY transferred to the consumer. Economics 101, you CAN NOT tax a business. 100% of any tax on a business is transferred to the end user in the form of inflated prices. Thats why these bank taxes and corporate taxes that Obama is pushing so hard for are a new hidden tax on you. Do you really think the banks and corporations are going to just let taxes eat their profits? No they pass it on to you.
The fact that McCarthy thinks Matthews won this debate (and I hesitate to call it that) shows he is as clueless as Matthews himself.
As if payroll tax costs don't make it into the final cost of a product. I wouldn't be surprise if Tweety purposefully had that audio delay inserted to gum up the conversation. he clearly;y had not grasp of the debate at hand.
Of course an income tax allows the Gubment to give benefits to preferred constituencies. So a statist like Matthews would love it.
Chris Matthews needs to buy a book and it`s called 'The Fair Tax' and read it. Education is a wonderful thing. I support the Fair Tax. Our poor would pay ZERO Federal taxes under the fair tax. Matthews is an idiot.
@strent2583 No, they'd just pay a higher percentage of their income in sales taxes than their richer counterparts. Even those in the middle class would actually see an INCREASE in their taxes paid while the rich see a decrease if this country ran on sales taxes. It would instead be more fair to impose a tax across all types of income at the same rate for all brackets with no deductions except for dependents.
@terimccarthy I don't see Matthews taking down anyone. I see Matthews showing everyone what a fucking blithering moron he is. Why is it so fucking hard for people to understand that taxing CONSUMPTION is the way to go? Let the people keep their money instead of taking 37% off the top, and they will SPEND IT! It's also a great way to collect taxes from the mob, drug dealers, obama's cabinet (oh my bad, I meant to say tax cheats), illegals, and all the other people who otherwise dont pay tax.
@MobileTaz Do you honestly believe the cost of products will decrease 23% if we take out other taxes? Isnt it more likey that the costs of goods will just increase dramatically, and lower income people who spend most or all of their income, will face the highest tax rates?
@MobileTaz Increased reliance on sales tax, quite simply, means that the poor people, who have to spend a greater % of their money to survive will spend a greater share of their income on taxes. In other words, a sales tax is a REGRESSIVE tax. That is why most relatively enlightened and equitable societies don't go that route.
@MobileTaz Calling someone a "blithering moron" for not supporting the fair tax is idiotic in itself. You have no clue really what the end result will be. People will find ways to avoid this tax much easier than the income tax, and there are a million variables to consider on how this will effect the economy in the long run. If the fair tax was the fairy tale solution libertarians appear to imply, it would be used all over the world already.
@MobileTaz then you simply do no live in the real world. If you scream, "The world is flat" be prepared to be meet with resistance. Sorry, it's just life...
The "Fair" Tax? Fair Tax is semantics. Basically, the Fair Tax -- as Mr. Barber understands it -- essentially amounts to transferring the taxes levied on manufacturing and cost of goods to the consumer. He wants to take the taxes "already embedded in the cost of goods" (paraphrasing) and append them to the existing 8% sales tax in the states… so you and I will be paying the taxes that should be collected from the manufacturing process. We the People? More like We the Corporations.
@uprightvital: What do you mean, "so you and I will be paying the taxes..." We already do!
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The biggest problem that I notice with those who explain the Fair Tax is that they assume that their audience has a basic understanding of economics. Barber should have taken some crayons and made a drawring for Matthews, and then sprinkled some glitter and macaroni noodles on top so maybe, just maybe Matthews could pay attention long enough to understand.
The "Fair" Tax? Fair Tax is semantics. Basically, the Fair Tax -- as Mr. Barber understands it -- essentially amounts to transferring the taxes levied on manufacturing and cost of goods to the consumer. He wants to take the taxes "already embedded in the cost of goods" (paraphrasing) and append them to the existing 8% sales tax in the states… so you and I will be paying the taxes that should be collected from the manufacturing process. We the People? More like We the Corporations.
Tingles and his supporters show why the current income tax is so brilliant for politicians. Millions honestly have no clue that they are paying for invisible, embedded taxes in everything they buy. If you were a politician would you want to give up that cash cow? That's why our corporate taxes are so freaking high, and then you can give pet industries tax breaks for even more personal gain.
@ScubaSteve1974 The error in that thinking, however, is the assumption that these corporations will automagically lower the cost on these goods should these taxes suddenly be removed. Why should they? Out of the goodness of their hearts? It's pretty safe to assume that their competition isn't going to do it, either, so all you'll get from a sales tax is to hyper-inflate the cost of necessary goods and increase the amount of taxes paid by the lower classes while the rich enjoy a nice discount.
@terimccarthy You're absolutely INcorrect. There's this little thing called competition. By and large, if a business can lower its price and still maintain an acceptable profit margin it will do so, and all other things being equal that business will sell more widgets as a result. Basic, fundamental macroeconomics.
@SupaYoda You seem to mention the Fair Tax like you know what you're talking about; if so, could you briefly explain the prebate to the rest of the class?
@SupaYoda Fail. The prices will come down because of this little detail called competition. Corporation B will come along and price their product lower than your evil greedy corporation A and the forces of capitalism will again correct for your 'theory'.
@SupaYoda Fail. The prices will come down because of this little detail called competition. Corporation B will come along and price their product lower than your evil greedy corporation A and the forces of capitalism will again correct for your 'theory'.
@SupaYoda Or the cost of producing the product will go down(less overhead taxes), hence the Company A will lower their price to sell more units of product than Company B, and should Company B refuse to lower their price for the product, the end result for Company B will be lost sales which equal lost revenue. Company A wins and Company B loses for not adjusting to the market force. The whole point of competition to to produce a better product at a lower price....i.e cell phones and computer
@scrow1999 I thought the same thing, that Barber just destroyed Mathews, and demonstrated that Mathews hasn't performed even the most rudimentary research into how the FairTax works. The part that Mathews keeps forgetting is his math is the -23% of embedded taxes that cancel out the FairTax. So, 23 + 8 - 23 = 8. Simple, really.
People just don't get it. Read the Fairtax book. Its the best solution we have out there for our never ending black hole of debt. Did he not hear him when he said "it replaces all SS, medicare, medicaid, and capital gains taxes."
I wish Bbr was smart enough to defend himself better though, he did a good job remaining professional against Matthews. Matthews looked like an ass. What business of his is it that Barbers been audited? That was low and unprofessional for a journalist to ask imo.
@terminator007007 ending the blackhole of debt? No study has remotely suggested that the "fair" tax will come close to generating the revenues of the progressive tax. No even close.
@mbjl1758 - Where are these studies? Who commissioned them? How were they conducted? Were they reviewed and, if so, by whom? Oddly enough you inadvertently exposed how ignorant Matthews is on the topic. If the FairTax is so flawed, he should have presented these informed studies. Instead what did he do? He came across like a mouthy school girl that know nothing about the topic.
Why do you think they had to ammend the Constitution to tax income? The Framers knew exactly how evil *ALL* Governments become when given power and money (by stupid, lazy, shallow, gutless voters). We have come to the end of the American Dream and *we* killed it.
Now, get your passport in order, brush up on your Spanish and start looking for a job in Chile. See you there...
When you impose taxes on a corporation that tax is passed down to the consumer via a price increase. The common embedded tax in any good sold in the retail market is 22%. Replacing the income tax, and creating an INCLUSIVE 23% tax removes the taxes which increase the price of goods, and supplement it such that the consumer KNOWS they are paying the tax instead of just taxing income.
The fair tax taxes EVERYONE and not just those on a payroll.
Truly amazing mathematics. So Barber wants to get rid of 23% "embedded" tax and replace that with a 23% national sales tax. According to Barber in all his infinite wisdom, the government can rid of all capital gains, income taxes, social security taxes, and medicare taxes by replacing an "embedded" 23% tax, common to all consumer goods, with a 23% national sales tax. Truly remarkable. Quite possibly the dumbest fiscal solution I have ever heard.
@meteorpinball72 Corporations pay their taxes by embedding them into the price of the item, about 23%. So replace that with the fair tax at 23%. You still pay the same but you pay no income tax or capital gains tax because you only pay tax when you buy things. ITS A CONSUMPTION tax. Everyone would pay the same % on taxes as they consume.
@meteorpinball72 - You did stumble into the only misleading thing about the Fair Tax. "23" is the percentage of the total cost of an item with the Fair Tax included. An item after tax that costs $100 has the $23 embedded tax and that's where they get the 23% rate. In actuality, since the product cost $77 the $23 tax should be called a 30% tax, but that's a frightening number so they use the easier to handle 23% number.
@meteorpinball72 Why can't the government removed the taxes you mentioned? They created them, they can remove them. Besides, it's not Barber's wisdom. Tens of millions were spent researching various forms of taxation, and the FairTax is the result of that research. Is it the dumbest solution you've heard because it's the only solution you've heard? I can't say for certain it's the best solution that has ever or will ever be created, but it's far, far from the worst.
Barber is such a duffuss. An embedded tax? Laughable. He is making the argument that the price of goods will FALL because an income tax is embedded? Really? That is so incredibly stupid.
As far as this interview, Barber looks like such a moron. "look at the forest through the trees" WTF?
@mbjl1758 - So are you trying to suggest that corporations do not pay their taxes by adding that expense to the price of their goods and services? Do you really not understand that?
@mbjl1758 He's arguing that if you remove 23% of the cost of a producing and selling a product, that the price of that product will drop by the same amount due to competition (historically demonstrated). The "forest" comment refers to an old and common phrase "can't see the forest for the trees", essentially meaning that without a broader view, you only see a couple of trees, not the thousands of others. I'm just going to assume you are very young and ignorant, rather than just stupid.
Matthews just can't listen. Here's the truth about the FairTax that he ignored through this video: right now, payroll taxes are embedded in the goods you buy and make up about 22% of their cost. The FairTax replaces that, the income tax, virtually all other fed taxes, and the IRS. Also, it comes with a prebate to cover the cost of the basic needs of life. So, it replaces the taxes that are currently added to state sales tax. Don't forget, the fed income tax is added to state income taxes now.
@chwparker Broskies. First - it doesn't change the % paid in the form of taxes. That was Matthew's point. Barber takes the tangential route by saying - wait - prices WILL go down! I would beg to differ as a fair tax would lead to epic inflation.
Beyond that the tax rebate within the fair tax would be the largest entitlement giveaway in the history of the world, the tax hurts the middle class more than the rich or poor and it won't generate the revenues which some claim. It's a nonstarter.
@mbjl1758 - Prices WILL go down because you have removed a massive expense built into every product and service. The Fair Tax is tacked on afterwards. Your "it will hurt the middle class the worst" argument is laughably foolish; hello? Have you ever looked at our current tax system?
The reason people fear the Fair Tax is because it will pull power from the Federal Government and return it to the people. The thought of that horrifies a socialist like Matthews.
@mbjl1758 When did he say prices would go down? I haven't heard people make that argument. Barber was trying to tell him that prices wouldn't go up, and Matthews just couldn't get that. He keeps pushing the point of how high sales taxes will be, w/o mentioning that payroll and income taxes, along with others, will be eliminated. Also, if you think the prebate is the biggest entitlement in world's history, you have as much to learn about history as you do about the FairTax. That's not even close
Matthews is about as stupid as they come, or as dishonest as they come.
He has to know how it really would work.
Easy example for Chris:
$100 dollar item has ~ $23 dollars of federal tax embedded in the price you pay. That goes away with Fair tax. It gets replaced with $23 or ~ 23% INCLUSIVE tax in the price. You still end up paying about $100 for your item.
The states can add their SALES tax on the end. We pay 7% sales tax here.
Shouldn't the host of a TV show at least be informed on the basic details of a topic before discussing it? I can understand having a difference of opinion on the outcome, but at least know what the plan is before you bash it. Matthews looks so smug, yet his questions (and confusion on the answers) step from complete ignorance of the plan and how our current system of taxation works. Barber might as well be discussing satellite technology to someone who believes the world is flat.
@mwells219 It's great watching liberals stumble over simple words like federal income tax. Especially when they are stupid enough to think that somehow means state tax.
both this clown and sharon angle think that if they constantly smile / smirk with an arrogant look on their face that...that somehow means that they are right....but it makes them look even DUMBER than they already are....they can't or won't answer basic questions...and then they have a dumbass look on their face the entire time....republicans are scary stupid....i thought palin was a rare breed of ignorant republican....but now i see she was just the tip of the dumbass iceberg that is the GOP
@richard4president Richard I am going to reply to you once, first all you T-Bags are the same, you all act like 4chan wannabee babies, hijacking threads, acting like a lunatics, can't accept that other people have other opinions, you are offensive, and foolish. For now I am going to leave up everything you've said, because it is instructive to the public to see how you react when your hero's are taken down a peg. But this is your warning, and more BS from you, and you're gone, 86'd from here.
@terimccarthy boohoo I hijack free threads open to the public. I am not the one calling "tea party" people "t-bags" simply because you have no real argument. I stated the facts. LOLOLOLOL you say I can't take people having an opinion other than mine? YEAH you are a moron. You are threatening to delete my post because i have an opinion other than yours. Go to hell you idiotic piece of donkey turd.
@richard4president Well for a guy being educated in biblical studies you sure are an offensive dick. So Richard, I have a copy of everything you've written here, so I can always use it to prove one more time what jackasses T-Bags actually are. Well done, dipshit.
@gwengoad Matthews asking about him being audited had precisely nothing at all to do with the subject...pure deflection from the actual subject being discussed.
Coke cost a $1, with built in tax. Try telling Coke to drop their prices when the VAT is implemented. RIGHT. Corporations pay the least tax of any, so that "built in tax" is bull shit.
@boremetotears Yeah, great job asking the same question over and over after it had been answered the first time. Great job Chris, looking like a 1st grader who asks why there is no santa clause and then cries and keeps asking why!
Proof the angry mob, TaliBaggers, are clueless with a PLAN? Ask this whacko, how is American going to deal with the GLOBAL economy? These people are SEPARATIST. What are they going to do, colonize MARS?
Fairtax is a giant deceptoin -- funded by Grover Norguest apparently, and other dedicated liars. It's so goofy they won't dare have hearings on it. For example, Fairtax even taxes all mlitary pay and pensions -- in fact, New York City government would owe over 8 million -- 3 billion in advance.
Its goofy as fuck, its so goofy the bastards hide the crazy shit in their footnotes and fine print
ItchMyFoot 8 months ago
OBAMA has bankrupted America???
Try GWBush adding $6 TRILLION to the National Debt in his two terms. Try GWBush BIRTHING the "2008 Bush Recession and Stock Market Collapse" that DESTROYED THE ENTIRE US ECONOMY into its worst catastrophe since the 1929 Great Depression. That Great Recession put millions out of their jobs and sunk thousands of businesses. And the 2 failed, unpaid Bush wars??
You Teaheads are STUPID-CRAZY when it comes to remembering RECENT history.
medartist01 10 months ago
"Are you a metaphor?" Shazam. Well done, Chris.
JejunumJake 1 year ago
Barber is an amateur. He also doesn't know what he is talking about.
friedie1jeff 1 year ago
Barbar is a moron.
friedie1jeff 1 year ago
This guy is a plutocrat. He wants to let the rich rob the middle class and create a banana republic.
CommandoDude 1 year ago
Who on this guy's campaign thought it was a good idea to allow this lightweight into the lion's den?
Marchant2 1 year ago 7
@Marchant2 Yeah, pretty hilarious isn't it!
terimccarthy 1 year ago
Fucking owned. No wonder he lost the primary.
nothGhost 1 year ago
my god he killed him loool
HerroHerrar 1 year ago
23 percent of 77 is 18. So a 77 cent coke will cost 95 cents. It's a pretty basic mathematical concept that the amount a set percent yields is different depending on the amount you are taking that percent from.
--An interesting side note is that if you add on the state sales tax of 8 percent, it does come out to be roughly one dollar, but that wasn't what Barber was arguing.--
akaMartin7 1 year ago
Good jolly fuck. "you're not adding taxes, you're just making new taxes!" I didn't think you could be this dumb and still put your pants on.
greenyawgmoth 1 year ago
Did this guy get botox or something? The last three inches of his forehead don't move at all, but the inch above his eyebrows does.
Either way, he looks way more competent here than in that tacky "Gather your armies" campaign ad with the founding fathers.
h4KK 1 year ago
"Obama has bankrupted America. Now he is telling NASA to help the Muslims build rockets. Gather your Amries and vote this moron out in 2012..."
Actual comment from an actual Rick Barber supporter. The worst part is that it was one of the higher-rated comments.
Wooboo 1 year ago
@Wooboo Ugh, of course it was... yikes, these folks are vile, dumb, but above all, mediocre.
terimccarthy 1 year ago
I can imagine the cut ending.
"Gather your Armies...Tonight we march on Mordor!!!"
*Que Lord of the Rings Battle Theme*
Wooboo 1 year ago
@Wooboo Hah! Excellent, and true.
terimccarthy 1 year ago
@Wooboo
Followed by a scene of a rag-tag battalion of old to late-middle aged Americans descending upon a local press conference, walking sticks in hand and cladded short-shorts that are stretched to the extremes in an effort to contain their dangerously enormous girths.
They don't know why their master bidded, but they've come to satisfy the lust of their persecution complex as they mercilessly hew obscenities at bewildered bystanders with juvenile rhetoric and the occasional racial remark.
Zero4Mars 1 year ago
And Barber lost today. Good riddance.
jeremyisweary 1 year ago
The Fair Tax is the dumbest tax we could possibly have. If you look at the history of sales taxes:
Charles I, 1642, deposed, decapitated
James II, 1688, deposed, Stuarts terminated
George III, lost colonies
Louis XVI, 1789-93, guillotined
Jefferson Davis, 1861-65, funds CSA with sales tax, CSA goes bankrupt
Czar Nicholas II, cannot finance war from sales taxes, shot, Romanov's done
India 1947, British sales tax on salt, British gone
South Vietnam 1960-65, doubled sales tax, landowners untaxed
land4citizens 1 year ago
What a great trap Matthews laid at the end. Brilliant.
peaco1000 1 year ago
Instead of running for office, this barber character needs to get his head out of his ass and get some schooling done. He couldn't or wouldn't answer any single question honestly or correctly, and the worst thing is that the people of Alabamastan will probably elect him to office. Sometimes I do think that we would have been better off as a country without the South!
armyveteran101st 1 year ago
He's got a forehead like a movie screen
JediMasterRick2 1 year ago
One dumb fuck interviewing another dumb fuck; now that's a great SNL skit!
MsWanderer1 1 year ago
Guy on the right has an alien-looking forehead.Looks likes he's been botoxed on top. You guys need to lighten up. No matter what his idea is, read this: It ain't going to happen,ever. Get it, ever.
dkapone 1 year ago
The male Sarah Palin...
DillonDee1 1 year ago
This guy is as dumb as a stump.
loonmaniac 1 year ago
@loonmaniac -- dumber'n dirt-shouldn't even be running for office
DillonDee1 1 year ago
"Alabamastan" - haha...thats pretty funny...
DcEatsItsYoung 1 year ago 8
This guy should stick to his ads & avoid interviews - he was horrible.
DillonDee1 1 year ago
and when I said never had an efficient government I mostly mean the local small failure governments plus a central government specifically created not to have any power and to be inefficient. Becoming president or senator in the US before Obama it was like winning a lottery and a long trip to the Bahamas paid by the constituents
MrFreedomdemocracy 1 year ago
America doesn't need MORE or LESS government. America needs EFFICEINT GOVERNMENT. The size is totally irrelevant. When you have 50 states in the US most of them of the same size and polulation of Denmark with local governments, attorney generals and senate and they are all corrupt, in debt, inefficient, unhealthy, poor, and with very high crime rate .... being small becomes totally irrelevant.
MrFreedomdemocracy 1 year ago
Denmark 10 years ago was 100% dependent on foreign oil, they invested in education, increased taxes on emissions, invested in infrastructure creating jobs. Today they are #1 in wind and solar and in 2011 all their cars will be electric and they area also the happiest country in the world. This should have been the US 10 years ago and we are still talking about stopping everything even with SO OBVIOUS evidences of success,
MrFreedomdemocracy 1 year ago
47% of the Americans DON'T PAY INCOME TAXES. Most of the taxes we pay are State and Local taxes. The only GIG FUCKING GOVERNMENT WHICH LIMITS OUR FREEDOM ..... IN LOCAL NOT FEDERAL. WHEN YOU HAVE STATES WHO DON'T ALLOW GAYS TO VISIT THEIR PARTNERS, BAN ABORTION EVEN IN CASE OF RAPE AND INCEST, RAISE TAXES (Teabagger Gov. Christie of NJ) to retired couples ($1300 for $40,000/y) and cutting taxes to billionaires and corporation monopoly (anti-capitalism, $12k for $1.2M)
MrFreedomdemocracy 1 year ago
This guy should do his ads & never do another intereview because when questioned he looks like a total idiot.
DillonDee1 1 year ago
I hear banjo music...
tejaspics 1 year ago
It doesn't matter if the VAT is added at the manufacture/wholesaler level or the retail level, a product that cost a dollar after leaving the factory is still going to cost 1.23 to the person buying it.
That means the man at the bottom that buys consumables will be paying more percentage of their income than a person making 100 times more.
It will keep the poor poor and the rich man can leave the country and party.
keidun 1 year ago
Is this guy serious? Dumb as a stump and running as a Republican in Alabama?
Is that the best they have? OMG!!! heheheheeeee!!!!
ambereyes46 1 year ago
5:35 "Are you a metaphor for a guy running for office?" -Great stuff.
thebeatjunkie 1 year ago
I used to brush off of conservatives as religious freaks that had no friends and got no pussy,,, at least in NY,,, now im just saddened to see what you guys have become. Reading these comments I swear i heard all of them stupid ass "I love my country, U guys are maoist,Commie, Nazis" comments somewhere... O YEA Glenn Beck... Stop letting faux news control you... its seriously starting to get pathetic. ,,, Just had to vent, last youll b hearing from me.
ec2785ny 1 year ago
@ec2785ny Yes, I had to monitor the comments, I did not know it went crazy like that. I agree, they are a pathetic bunch.
terimccarthy 1 year ago
@terimccarthy Monkey see, monkey do. Thats all I can say. :D
darkjong99 1 year ago
Barber is either a simpleton for believing this, or he attempting to disguise further redistributing wealth towards the wealthy. The "embedded taxes" will not disappear. The ownership class will have a higher profit margin though. Thats pretty cool, for those of us on that side. For everyone else, get ready to pay 23% more for everything
TheLenyon 1 year ago
Holy crap. I wish I could say Matthews was this stupid but I think he is intentionally misrepresenting what Barber is saying. What a useful idiot he is.
xobwej 1 year ago
@xobwej omg you are dumb! Where is your logic man? brain dead
Ovito85 1 year ago
Oh my God! Chris Mathews is an idiot! He is not listening to this man!
xPowerofwillx 1 year ago
Does no one understand that a good portion of the price of any good or service you buy has taxes already factored in??? What Matthews is trying to hide or muddy up is that these taxes are what the Fair Tax would replace... let alone the income tax that you pay already... And Matthews is so in love with taxes that he can't seem to get it that he will be letting go of one tax to replace another.
Mr Matthews is correct, arithmetic matters, however, his is wrong.
CaptainSeamus 1 year ago
The treasonous Rick Barber.
andotech 1 year ago
Besides what does Matthews think the Carbon Tax is? Now THAT is actually an added tax.
TheTruthNothinMore 1 year ago
There is no way Matthews is too stupid to understand how the Fairtax works. I think he is just simply trying to keep the few people that still watch him confused enough that they will just ignore the entire debate.
TheTruthNothinMore 1 year ago
Okay MSNBC needs to fire this MAO LOVING ALINSKY HUMPING CIA PLANT as soon as possible and freedom loving Americans need to take back this country from the Globalists.
TheTruthNothinMore 1 year ago
Chris Matthews is too arrogant to understand the Fair Tax(the title to my video response on this issue.)
brianobx 1 year ago
Man, never heard of this guy before but he got cut up. He must have thought he'd use this time to keep re-reading his campaign speeches. I'm a little behind the curve on this idea, so where does the 23% come from? Employee taxes, corporate taxes, or all of the above? Why is that more fair? Who is it more fair too? Who will be paying more taxes and who will pay less?
NeverBeenThereBefore 1 year ago
@NeverBeenThereBefore Simple: the more you buy, the more you pay. He wasn't reading campaign speeches, he was answering the same question over and over again. 23% is the FairTax rate, and the embedded taxes he was referring to are those plus, among others, payroll taxes.
chwparker 1 year ago
@NeverBeenThereBefore It's not more fair. A truly fair tax would impose the same rate of taxation (same percentage) on ALL income across all income brackets with no deductibles except for dependents. A sales tax does not tax everyone at the same rate and is in fact regressive. Since lower and middle classes use a larger percentage of their income to buy necessities while upper classes invest, the poorest would pay out a greater percentage of income in taxes than the richest.
SupaYoda 1 year ago
It's funny to read the comments when a video gets linked from a right-wing and left-wing site at the same time.
Landstander1 1 year ago
@Landstander1 Which sites linked my video? Kind of awesome really.
terimccarthy 1 year ago
Rick Barber: PWNED!
buppie2000 1 year ago
@buppie2000 no he wasn't, not by a long shot. Matthews didn't stand a chance in this argument.
chwparker 1 year ago
@chwparker I didn't hear Matthews stuttering and stammering and dodging DIRECT QUESTIONS. I didn't hear Matthews trying to respond to questions with questions. Were we watching the same thing?
buppie2000 1 year ago
@chwparker No, Matthews just kept asking the same question over and over again after Barber already answered it.
chwparker 1 year ago
@chwparker He asked the same question over and over because he, like I, failed to hear a real response. If I was questioning a salesman like Matthews grilled Barber and the response I got was like Barber's, I'd walk away. He parses his language, and the funny part is that he is not nearly as artful at it as he seems to think. "Do you know what a metaphor is?" Seriously?
buppie2000 1 year ago
@buppie2000 I heard the response loud and clear: "It will not add another tax, it replaces another tax." and, "yes, that would be the total sales tax rate, but it's replaces other taxes rather than adding another tax." Let's not forget that the federal income tax is added to state income taxes, but wouldn't be under the FairTax.
chwparker 1 year ago
@chwparker Really, those were satisfactory answers to you?
buppie2000 1 year ago
@buppie2000 Since they directly answered the question, yeah
chwparker 1 year ago
@chwparker You found nothing weasely about his responses to the impeachment charges, the raising of armies, etc.
Seriously? I seem to think I know DAMN GOOD AND WELL who he is talking about, and it is seriously weasely to suddenly adopt a "no specific person in mind" excuse. He should take his beliefs and OWN them. Another tap dancing weasel.
buppie2000 1 year ago
@chwparker And why the serious tap dancing when asked simple and direct questions regarding his audits. He brought up malicious auditing in his spot and that pretty much opens if up as a very fair question. Why the tap dancing? Just answer the truth and OWN it.
buppie2000 1 year ago
@buppie2000 PLUS Barber had to be put through a wringer (METAPHOR) to own up to the fact that, yes, he does live with a representative form of government. Sure it made impotent his claim that we are impotent to a dictatorship, but a simple TRUTH had to be beaten our of him (METAPHOR). This is someone you'd let represent you? Seriously? You'd settle for this?
buppie2000 1 year ago
@chwparker PLUS Barber had to be put through a wringer (METAPHOR) to own up to the fact that, yes, he does live with a representative form of government. Sure it made impotent his claim that we are impotent to a dictatorship, but a simple TRUTH had to be beaten our of him (METAPHOR). This is someone you'd let represent you? Seriously? You'd settle for this?
buppie2000 1 year ago
@buppie2000 Yes he was! As you can see the Libertarian T-Bag horde of illiterates are right here to defend their guy. Who is just another T-Bag lunatic.
terimccarthy 1 year ago
@terimccarthy Please don't link this idiot (or most tea partiers) to Libertarians. We don't claim them, either. Libertarians support gay marriage, gay soldiers serving openly in the military, an end to the wars, legalized abortion, legalized prostitution, and an end to the drug war. We also don't consider religion a good enough reason to butt into your private life. I can guarantee you that this guy doesn't believe in those things.
SupaYoda 1 year ago
@SupaYoda I am sure you are correct I knew some real libertarians, we had great discussions, no yelling, no bullying, I know you are correct, but they seem to be claiming you guys.
terimccarthy 1 year ago 2
@terimccarthy These guys would claim to be Communists if it somehow supported their cause.
Wooboo 1 year ago
@SupaYoda -- Bingo - I supported Libertarian Ron Paul, but I'd never support a total idiot like this guy.
DillonDee1 1 year ago
Matthews is a moron
enp83 1 year ago 2
@enp83 Matthews is a Roman Catholic.
buppie2000 1 year ago
@enp83 lol just face it.... stop fighting logic ffs
Ovito85 1 year ago
Chris Matthews is definitely showing his ignorance!!!!
mazingrace1 1 year ago 3
This country has been hijacked since 1913....Foreign banks took over in 1913...totally unconstitutional. We are now enslaved to debt, that is not freedom, this is not America. There is no representation for our taxation, we pay interest on debt created by criminals who destroy our wealth and steal from us for our labor. End THE FED!
JebBlack2010 1 year ago
Matthew's argument is flawed in its origin. At 4:00 he says the Fair Tax "adds" tax onto local and state tax and that "everybody knows it". Barber is repeatedly pointing out the fact that we are ALREADY PAYING IT. The Fair Tax simplifies the process
Matthews is counting on the people to be too stupid to see that; the same people who say "I didn't pay taxes this year, duh because I gots a refund", when of course if I take 10 bucks from you, then give back 2, I didn't give you money, I TOOK it.
earp1673 1 year ago 5
@earp1673 Its fantasy to believe the cost of goods will decrease 23% if we eliminate income taxes
TheLenyon 1 year ago
@earp1673 ,
Though for the poor and middle-class taxpayers (read: the majority of our population), FairTax would be a tax hike. That's because our rich don't spend as much of their income on consumables and product purchases, proportionally - they're more likely to invest more of their income.
FairTax is also vulnerable to black markets, especially when cash is involved. We'd need an IRS-sized organization to properly enforce the FairTax... VAT+income is more efficient and progressive.
h4KK 1 year ago
@earp1673 Yes, Matthews' argument is wrong, but that doesn't make Barber's argument right. The question Matthews should have been asking is what "science and data... show a consumption based tax is far more productive for a society and far more fair?"
akaMartin7 1 year ago
Chris Matthews is a talking head for the leftist extreme.
Give me my whole paycheck. Then I'll pay 31% sales tax. If I spend, I pay. If I save, I don't pay. SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO simple.
david99j 1 year ago 2
@uprightvital You have zero understanding of economics. All the taxes levied on manufacturer are ALREADY transferred to the consumer. Economics 101, you CAN NOT tax a business. 100% of any tax on a business is transferred to the end user in the form of inflated prices. Thats why these bank taxes and corporate taxes that Obama is pushing so hard for are a new hidden tax on you. Do you really think the banks and corporations are going to just let taxes eat their profits? No they pass it on to you.
MobileTaz 1 year ago 9
The fact that McCarthy thinks Matthews won this debate (and I hesitate to call it that) shows he is as clueless as Matthews himself.
As if payroll tax costs don't make it into the final cost of a product. I wouldn't be surprise if Tweety purposefully had that audio delay inserted to gum up the conversation. he clearly;y had not grasp of the debate at hand.
Of course an income tax allows the Gubment to give benefits to preferred constituencies. So a statist like Matthews would love it.
stripperpirate 1 year ago 2
Chris Matthews needs to buy a book and it`s called 'The Fair Tax' and read it. Education is a wonderful thing. I support the Fair Tax. Our poor would pay ZERO Federal taxes under the fair tax. Matthews is an idiot.
strent2583 1 year ago 4
@strent2583 No, they'd just pay a higher percentage of their income in sales taxes than their richer counterparts. Even those in the middle class would actually see an INCREASE in their taxes paid while the rich see a decrease if this country ran on sales taxes. It would instead be more fair to impose a tax across all types of income at the same rate for all brackets with no deductions except for dependents.
SupaYoda 1 year ago
@terimccarthy I don't see Matthews taking down anyone. I see Matthews showing everyone what a fucking blithering moron he is. Why is it so fucking hard for people to understand that taxing CONSUMPTION is the way to go? Let the people keep their money instead of taking 37% off the top, and they will SPEND IT! It's also a great way to collect taxes from the mob, drug dealers, obama's cabinet (oh my bad, I meant to say tax cheats), illegals, and all the other people who otherwise dont pay tax.
MobileTaz 1 year ago 32
@MobileTaz Do you honestly believe the cost of products will decrease 23% if we take out other taxes? Isnt it more likey that the costs of goods will just increase dramatically, and lower income people who spend most or all of their income, will face the highest tax rates?
TheLenyon 1 year ago
@MobileTaz Increased reliance on sales tax, quite simply, means that the poor people, who have to spend a greater % of their money to survive will spend a greater share of their income on taxes. In other words, a sales tax is a REGRESSIVE tax. That is why most relatively enlightened and equitable societies don't go that route.
stopcop 1 year ago
@MobileTaz Calling someone a "blithering moron" for not supporting the fair tax is idiotic in itself. You have no clue really what the end result will be. People will find ways to avoid this tax much easier than the income tax, and there are a million variables to consider on how this will effect the economy in the long run. If the fair tax was the fairy tale solution libertarians appear to imply, it would be used all over the world already.
Lerakon2 1 year ago
@MobileTaz then you simply do no live in the real world. If you scream, "The world is flat" be prepared to be meet with resistance. Sorry, it's just life...
Bolgernow 1 year ago
@MobileTaz show me a country without an allegedly fair tax system and I'll show you an impoverished ,corrupt, backwards and undemocratic state
bmason3 1 year ago
The "Fair" Tax? Fair Tax is semantics. Basically, the Fair Tax -- as Mr. Barber understands it -- essentially amounts to transferring the taxes levied on manufacturing and cost of goods to the consumer. He wants to take the taxes "already embedded in the cost of goods" (paraphrasing) and append them to the existing 8% sales tax in the states… so you and I will be paying the taxes that should be collected from the manufacturing process. We the People? More like We the Corporations.
uprightvital 1 year ago
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MulligansValley 1 year ago
@uprightvital: What do you mean, "so you and I will be paying the taxes..." We already do!
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The biggest problem that I notice with those who explain the Fair Tax is that they assume that their audience has a basic understanding of economics. Barber should have taken some crayons and made a drawring for Matthews, and then sprinkled some glitter and macaroni noodles on top so maybe, just maybe Matthews could pay attention long enough to understand.
MulligansValley 1 year ago 2
The "Fair" Tax? Fair Tax is semantics. Basically, the Fair Tax -- as Mr. Barber understands it -- essentially amounts to transferring the taxes levied on manufacturing and cost of goods to the consumer. He wants to take the taxes "already embedded in the cost of goods" (paraphrasing) and append them to the existing 8% sales tax in the states… so you and I will be paying the taxes that should be collected from the manufacturing process. We the People? More like We the Corporations.
uprightvital 1 year ago
Tingles and his supporters show why the current income tax is so brilliant for politicians. Millions honestly have no clue that they are paying for invisible, embedded taxes in everything they buy. If you were a politician would you want to give up that cash cow? That's why our corporate taxes are so freaking high, and then you can give pet industries tax breaks for even more personal gain.
I want to be a politician.
ScubaSteve1974 1 year ago 2
@ScubaSteve1974 The error in that thinking, however, is the assumption that these corporations will automagically lower the cost on these goods should these taxes suddenly be removed. Why should they? Out of the goodness of their hearts? It's pretty safe to assume that their competition isn't going to do it, either, so all you'll get from a sales tax is to hyper-inflate the cost of necessary goods and increase the amount of taxes paid by the lower classes while the rich enjoy a nice discount.
SupaYoda 1 year ago
@SupaYoda You are absolutely correct. They will never understand these concepts.
terimccarthy 1 year ago
@terimccarthy You're absolutely INcorrect. There's this little thing called competition. By and large, if a business can lower its price and still maintain an acceptable profit margin it will do so, and all other things being equal that business will sell more widgets as a result. Basic, fundamental macroeconomics.
nsu1997 1 year ago 2
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nsu1997 1 year ago
@SupaYoda You seem to mention the Fair Tax like you know what you're talking about; if so, could you briefly explain the prebate to the rest of the class?
earp1673 1 year ago
@SupaYoda Fail. The prices will come down because of this little detail called competition. Corporation B will come along and price their product lower than your evil greedy corporation A and the forces of capitalism will again correct for your 'theory'.
asevie 1 year ago
@SupaYoda Fail. The prices will come down because of this little detail called competition. Corporation B will come along and price their product lower than your evil greedy corporation A and the forces of capitalism will again correct for your 'theory'.
asevie 1 year ago
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asevie 1 year ago
@SupaYoda Or the cost of producing the product will go down(less overhead taxes), hence the Company A will lower their price to sell more units of product than Company B, and should Company B refuse to lower their price for the product, the end result for Company B will be lost sales which equal lost revenue. Company A wins and Company B loses for not adjusting to the market force. The whole point of competition to to produce a better product at a lower price....i.e cell phones and computer
dannyfla27 1 year ago 3
@SupaYoda" It's pretty safe to assume that their competition isn't going to do it, either..."
Why do you think competition wouldn't work. What do you base this statement on?
yakuzelizard 1 year ago
Uhh...Barber gave the facts and showed Matthews doesn't even understand the Fair Tax as proposed. Headline should be Barber takes down Matthews.
scrow1999 1 year ago 12
@scrow1999 Do your own recording make your own headlines.
terimccarthy 1 year ago
@terimccarthy Barber showed the facts? Barber looked like a complete fool.
Chris Matthews eviscerated this guy and never broke a sweat. Tweety made chum out of Barber.
buppie2000 1 year ago
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ibjacked 1 year ago
@scrow1999 I thought the same thing, that Barber just destroyed Mathews, and demonstrated that Mathews hasn't performed even the most rudimentary research into how the FairTax works. The part that Mathews keeps forgetting is his math is the -23% of embedded taxes that cancel out the FairTax. So, 23 + 8 - 23 = 8. Simple, really.
ibjacked 1 year ago
When did Peter Griffin get a talk show?
ScubaSteve1974 1 year ago
Wow, just wow. I knew Matthews wasn't very bright, but his abject stupidity is worse than I thought. He has no concept whatsoever about the FairTax.
geotax779 1 year ago
People just don't get it. Read the Fairtax book. Its the best solution we have out there for our never ending black hole of debt. Did he not hear him when he said "it replaces all SS, medicare, medicaid, and capital gains taxes."
I wish Bbr was smart enough to defend himself better though, he did a good job remaining professional against Matthews. Matthews looked like an ass. What business of his is it that Barbers been audited? That was low and unprofessional for a journalist to ask imo.
terminator007007 1 year ago
@terminator007007 ending the blackhole of debt? No study has remotely suggested that the "fair" tax will come close to generating the revenues of the progressive tax. No even close.
mbjl1758 1 year ago
@mbjl1758 - Where are these studies? Who commissioned them? How were they conducted? Were they reviewed and, if so, by whom? Oddly enough you inadvertently exposed how ignorant Matthews is on the topic. If the FairTax is so flawed, he should have presented these informed studies. Instead what did he do? He came across like a mouthy school girl that know nothing about the topic.
ScubaSteve1974 1 year ago
Why do you think they had to ammend the Constitution to tax income? The Framers knew exactly how evil *ALL* Governments become when given power and money (by stupid, lazy, shallow, gutless voters). We have come to the end of the American Dream and *we* killed it.
Now, get your passport in order, brush up on your Spanish and start looking for a job in Chile. See you there...
VerbotenDingleberry 1 year ago
When you impose taxes on a corporation that tax is passed down to the consumer via a price increase. The common embedded tax in any good sold in the retail market is 22%. Replacing the income tax, and creating an INCLUSIVE 23% tax removes the taxes which increase the price of goods, and supplement it such that the consumer KNOWS they are paying the tax instead of just taxing income.
The fair tax taxes EVERYONE and not just those on a payroll.
oogystick 1 year ago
Is Matthews intentionally trying to redefine the FairTax or is he just too stupid to grasp the idea?
sirh0213 1 year ago 4
Representation is when the will of the people is represented in washington.not when
Washington goes against the will of the people.
stratogist 1 year ago
Truly amazing mathematics. So Barber wants to get rid of 23% "embedded" tax and replace that with a 23% national sales tax. According to Barber in all his infinite wisdom, the government can rid of all capital gains, income taxes, social security taxes, and medicare taxes by replacing an "embedded" 23% tax, common to all consumer goods, with a 23% national sales tax. Truly remarkable. Quite possibly the dumbest fiscal solution I have ever heard.
meteorpinball72 1 year ago
@meteorpinball72 Corporations pay their taxes by embedding them into the price of the item, about 23%. So replace that with the fair tax at 23%. You still pay the same but you pay no income tax or capital gains tax because you only pay tax when you buy things. ITS A CONSUMPTION tax. Everyone would pay the same % on taxes as they consume.
dijhili 1 year ago
@meteorpinball72 - You did stumble into the only misleading thing about the Fair Tax. "23" is the percentage of the total cost of an item with the Fair Tax included. An item after tax that costs $100 has the $23 embedded tax and that's where they get the 23% rate. In actuality, since the product cost $77 the $23 tax should be called a 30% tax, but that's a frightening number so they use the easier to handle 23% number.
ScubaSteve1974 1 year ago
@meteorpinball72 Why can't the government removed the taxes you mentioned? They created them, they can remove them. Besides, it's not Barber's wisdom. Tens of millions were spent researching various forms of taxation, and the FairTax is the result of that research. Is it the dumbest solution you've heard because it's the only solution you've heard? I can't say for certain it's the best solution that has ever or will ever be created, but it's far, far from the worst.
ibjacked 1 year ago
hahaha,this rick barber is a joke,like his followers,hahahahahah,omg,hahaha
fido29 1 year ago
Barber is such a duffuss. An embedded tax? Laughable. He is making the argument that the price of goods will FALL because an income tax is embedded? Really? That is so incredibly stupid.
As far as this interview, Barber looks like such a moron. "look at the forest through the trees" WTF?
mbjl1758 1 year ago
@mbjl1758 - So are you trying to suggest that corporations do not pay their taxes by adding that expense to the price of their goods and services? Do you really not understand that?
ScubaSteve1974 1 year ago
@mbjl1758 He's arguing that if you remove 23% of the cost of a producing and selling a product, that the price of that product will drop by the same amount due to competition (historically demonstrated). The "forest" comment refers to an old and common phrase "can't see the forest for the trees", essentially meaning that without a broader view, you only see a couple of trees, not the thousands of others. I'm just going to assume you are very young and ignorant, rather than just stupid.
ibjacked 1 year ago
Matthews just can't listen. Here's the truth about the FairTax that he ignored through this video: right now, payroll taxes are embedded in the goods you buy and make up about 22% of their cost. The FairTax replaces that, the income tax, virtually all other fed taxes, and the IRS. Also, it comes with a prebate to cover the cost of the basic needs of life. So, it replaces the taxes that are currently added to state sales tax. Don't forget, the fed income tax is added to state income taxes now.
chwparker 1 year ago 2
@chwparker Broskies. First - it doesn't change the % paid in the form of taxes. That was Matthew's point. Barber takes the tangential route by saying - wait - prices WILL go down! I would beg to differ as a fair tax would lead to epic inflation.
Beyond that the tax rebate within the fair tax would be the largest entitlement giveaway in the history of the world, the tax hurts the middle class more than the rich or poor and it won't generate the revenues which some claim. It's a nonstarter.
mbjl1758 1 year ago
@mbjl1758 - Prices WILL go down because you have removed a massive expense built into every product and service. The Fair Tax is tacked on afterwards. Your "it will hurt the middle class the worst" argument is laughably foolish; hello? Have you ever looked at our current tax system?
The reason people fear the Fair Tax is because it will pull power from the Federal Government and return it to the people. The thought of that horrifies a socialist like Matthews.
READ THE DAMN BOOK.
ScubaSteve1974 1 year ago
@mbjl1758 When did he say prices would go down? I haven't heard people make that argument. Barber was trying to tell him that prices wouldn't go up, and Matthews just couldn't get that. He keeps pushing the point of how high sales taxes will be, w/o mentioning that payroll and income taxes, along with others, will be eliminated. Also, if you think the prebate is the biggest entitlement in world's history, you have as much to learn about history as you do about the FairTax. That's not even close
chwparker 1 year ago
Mathews is such a dumbass. I get a tingle down my leg cause I want to pee on his face.
Mathews thinks there is no embedded national tax! - hahaha....
dijhili 1 year ago 2
matthews, like most, doesn't understand the fair tax. read the book. how this guy wound up on tv, i'll never know.
MikeTheMimeVOA 1 year ago 2
Matthews is about as stupid as they come, or as dishonest as they come.
He has to know how it really would work.
Easy example for Chris:
$100 dollar item has ~ $23 dollars of federal tax embedded in the price you pay. That goes away with Fair tax. It gets replaced with $23 or ~ 23% INCLUSIVE tax in the price. You still end up paying about $100 for your item.
The states can add their SALES tax on the end. We pay 7% sales tax here.
I pay $107 for my $100 item in either scenario.
kinghotrod 1 year ago 4
Shouldn't the host of a TV show at least be informed on the basic details of a topic before discussing it? I can understand having a difference of opinion on the outcome, but at least know what the plan is before you bash it. Matthews looks so smug, yet his questions (and confusion on the answers) step from complete ignorance of the plan and how our current system of taxation works. Barber might as well be discussing satellite technology to someone who believes the world is flat.
ScubaSteve1974 1 year ago 5
Hahaha...awesome, tweety was brutal.
twilite142 1 year ago
god matthews is thick as a brick. a sales tax is a voluntary tax.
jhamm999 1 year ago 2
I love how he called Washington D.C. a state.
richard4president 1 year ago
this is great watching conservatives shoot themselves in the foot.
mwells219 1 year ago
@mwells219 It's great watching liberals stumble over simple words like federal income tax. Especially when they are stupid enough to think that somehow means state tax.
richard4president 1 year ago
Hey McConnell/Boner/Cantor, is THIS all you got?? Bwah ha ha hahhha haha hah ha!!!!!!!!! We'll sweep your pathetic lying arses in November boys.
rodneyriddnauer 1 year ago
both this clown and sharon angle think that if they constantly smile / smirk with an arrogant look on their face that...that somehow means that they are right....but it makes them look even DUMBER than they already are....they can't or won't answer basic questions...and then they have a dumbass look on their face the entire time....republicans are scary stupid....i thought palin was a rare breed of ignorant republican....but now i see she was just the tip of the dumbass iceberg that is the GOP
jshooper 1 year ago
@jshooper I thought that Obama was a rare breed of blind pathetic sodomite idiots but I was wrong.
richard4president 1 year ago 4
@richard4president Richard I am going to reply to you once, first all you T-Bags are the same, you all act like 4chan wannabee babies, hijacking threads, acting like a lunatics, can't accept that other people have other opinions, you are offensive, and foolish. For now I am going to leave up everything you've said, because it is instructive to the public to see how you react when your hero's are taken down a peg. But this is your warning, and more BS from you, and you're gone, 86'd from here.
terimccarthy 1 year ago
@terimccarthy boohoo I hijack free threads open to the public. I am not the one calling "tea party" people "t-bags" simply because you have no real argument. I stated the facts. LOLOLOLOL you say I can't take people having an opinion other than mine? YEAH you are a moron. You are threatening to delete my post because i have an opinion other than yours. Go to hell you idiotic piece of donkey turd.
richard4president 1 year ago 2
@richard4president Well for a guy being educated in biblical studies you sure are an offensive dick. So Richard, I have a copy of everything you've written here, so I can always use it to prove one more time what jackasses T-Bags actually are. Well done, dipshit.
terimccarthy 1 year ago
@terimccarthy - Thanks for illustrating the kind person MSNBC attracts.
ScubaSteve1974 1 year ago 2
matthews nailed him when he said have you been audited cookie jar
gwengoad 1 year ago
@gwengoad Matthews asking about him being audited had precisely nothing at all to do with the subject...pure deflection from the actual subject being discussed.
nsu1997 1 year ago 3
@nsu1997 He mentions "malicious audits" in the advertisement. It seems relevant
TheLenyon 1 year ago
Thank God for Chris Matthews. He is my hero. This is why he's great - clarity, focus, knowledge, persistence.
CirqueMedrano 1 year ago
@CirqueMedrano knowledge? I hope someone is being sarcastic here.
richard4president 1 year ago
VAT #LOL mmmm, now let's see, what other "socialist" countries have that #LOL
816cameron 1 year ago
TaliBAGGER!
816cameron 1 year ago
Coke cost a $1, with built in tax. Try telling Coke to drop their prices when the VAT is implemented. RIGHT. Corporations pay the least tax of any, so that "built in tax" is bull shit.
816cameron 1 year ago
@816cameron Maybe you need to seriously look into some economic classes.
richard4president 1 year ago
Great job, Chris!
boremetotears 1 year ago
@boremetotears Yeah, great job asking the same question over and over after it had been answered the first time. Great job Chris, looking like a 1st grader who asks why there is no santa clause and then cries and keeps asking why!
richard4president 1 year ago
Proof the angry mob, TaliBaggers, are clueless with a PLAN? Ask this whacko, how is American going to deal with the GLOBAL economy? These people are SEPARATIST. What are they going to do, colonize MARS?
816cameron 1 year ago
@816cameron We care about our economy. Our economy is already holding up the EU.
richard4president 1 year ago
@816cameron Proof the ObamaSheep don't actually care about facts.
richard4president 1 year ago