Wow, I find it hard to believe her story. Young children sing of Jesus all the time, grace is understood, the Bible is studied, there is a hell, coke is not prohibited, so I'm not sure which church she was attending.
For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son. He suffered for us so that we can repent and return to him. What ever you have against this church, ask a Mormon missionary or attend our church and learn what we believe.
Yeh. I've posted a 30-45min video exposing Mormon Church Cult and there are many negative comments from Mormons who say its not true - even though the mormon scriptures declare and even a video footage was shown of the Mormon Temple in Utah. Even exposing the lie that God The Father had many wives and babies, and that Lucifer was Jesus' brother - the planet Kolab and so on. Yet in the face of truth they are all in denial with cusses and swearing. Same with muslims when I quote the Surah's.
"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 3, p. 266). Also, "The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 11, p. 269). How can mormons get to be gods if they disobey their prophets warning ? Brigham wanted to kill blacks who mixed witth whites too
Interesting...Google - "define:cult", & you will not find her definition. (A cult, generally, is a form of religion, worship or belief toward a person, idea, movement or work.) Sounds like early christianity to me. She states (or creates) a definition that "fits" LDS beliefs, tailors it to be bad, then accuses Mormonism of being a cult. I like this definition from the internet: "A cult is a church down the street from your church." Anon In other words, she doesn't agree, ergo "they" are bad.
"Evangelical Christians" are no basis. They, too, are rife with error. They were wise to follow Luther to reject the false teachings of the Bishop of Rome but unwise to throw out all of Tradition simply because the Vatican Church tainted it. Rather, they should have looked at it piece by piece, keeping that which is good.
Mormonism...what's wrong with those people???...are they so blinded that when the very truth is spoken they deny it?? I couldn't help but look at these verse: Romans:1:24: Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Romans:1:25: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
IF you are looking into the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints be sure to ask a active member not a non member or someone who is having problems at this time in their lives . If you want to know about the Baptist Church go to their site . If you want to learn about us ask us. And ask yourself about the fruit you see from us.
IF you are looking into the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints be sure to ask a active member not a non member or someone who is having problems at this time in their lives . If you want to know about the Baptist Church go to their site . If you want to learn about us ask us. And ask yourself by the fruit you see.
Good Ms. Shelly Bauer, you began to use logic and critical thinking. Keep going. If you keep using your mind the entire bible will be shown for the ridiculous, superstitious book written by common man that it is. Begin to look into how the bible was spread depending on who won what wars and depending on how immigrants spread. Look into all the contradictions, the just plain silly stories and explanations for them. Keep searching and find the truth. That the HOLY BABBLE is FICTION. Use your mind.
I left that cult after 50 yrs. of brainwashing and emotional bondage. The price I am paying for it? My son is shunning me because his dad, my ex (anti-Mormon himself), helps him to spite me, and the church bishopric encourages it all, seeing the opportunity to keep a member. They are teaching him to go against his mothers wishes and are putting me down, calling me apostate. So much for letting others worship as they choose. LEAVE MY CHILDREN ALONE! I DO NOT WANT THEM IN YOUR CULT OR MISSION 4 U!
@MrFitzwilly The book of Mormon, "most correct book on earth"? No evidence to support. No archeological evidence to support. No witnesses to support it. The Bible stand alone as the only true source for man's redemption. Evidence is everywhere. You are so deceived and it is so sad to see so many like you be lead astray by manmade doctrines and demonic influence. OPEN YOUR EYES!!!
@MrFitzwilly Fight against the truth? Joseph Smith's own words..."We have imagined that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil so that you may see...He was once a man like you and me....Here then is eternal life...you have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves...the same as all Gods have done before you...." This is the truth??? ATotally opposite from what the Scriptures teach!!! You have got to be kidding!!!!!!!
So when you die, how do you spend eternity? What does Satan look like? Are gays going to heaven. Is there gay sex there? Can one do evil in heaven. If not why? If so, what happens? Is there pornography in heaven? Why or why not. If a man is evil but saved here on this earth, what stops him from doing evil in heaven? Does he still have his free will to continue and saved if he's doing it now? If he can't, who stops him and what are the consequences? Can a man go to heaven then hell? Why?
@LDStothecore History says different ... Glad you follow Jesus ... Why do you even need Joseph? ... ANY relationship with Jesus the Christ is One On One with no intermediaries ... Why do you need J Smith? ... I found out that I didn't need the Pope .. I go straight to Jesus ... If you think that J Smith added anything to what Jesus already did then rethink it ... PLEASE
@LDStothecore We are all called by God to serve Him ... Each of us has a "Calling" ... Joseph Smith was called but he failed .. J Smith went for the dark side sweetie and anyone who denies that or refuses to see that is doing so as a willful act ... You made your choice about who you would follow and you will have to answer for that choice ... Even though I think you are dramatically and tragically wrong the choice is still yours.
Just for the record, I am not a gay man. I would appreciate answer to my 2 questions please. Either a yes nor no. That will be sufficient. 1. Can a practicing homosexual who likes to "party" go to heaven? 2. Since I accepted Jesus back in '69 and am currently an practicing Mormon, am I still "SAVED" thus guaranteed life with Jesus in the next world? Once again, "Yes" or "No" please. Thank you!
Just for the record, I am not a gay man. I would appreciate answer to my 2 questions please. Either a yes nor no. That will be sufficient. 1. Can a practicing homosexual who likes to "party" go to heaven? 2. Since I accepted Jesus back in '69 and am currently an practicing Mormon, am I still "SAVED" thus guaranteed life with Jesus in the next world? Once again, "Yes" or "No" please. Thank you!
@LDStothecore J Smith changed the story several times depending upon whom he was talking to .. yet he claimed that ALL of his revelations were God uttered ... that leads to a question: Did God change the foundational and fundimental events that J Smith based all of his Theology on or did J Smith change them to suit Political and Cultural changes as people started to pin him down about the fundimentals of his revelations? ... Only one case can be true ... at best it makes J Smith look suspicious.
@loganhistorian I wanted to add that you are not the ONLY Christian homosexual ... you are not the only Christian homosexual that I personally know ... All of the various restrictions of the Mosiac Law were completed in Jesus ... He totally fulfilled ALL the requirements ... Homosexuality was concidered an "Abomination" in the OT but so was walking farther than 1/3 of a mile on the Sabbath ... just ignore Fred Phelps and love Jesus.
@hammerogod Just for the record, I am not a gay man. I would appreciate answer to my 2 questions please. Either a yes or no. That will be sufficient. 1. Can a practicing homosexual who likes to "party" go to heaven? 2. Since I accepted Jesus back in '69 and am currently a practicing Mormon, am I still "SAVED" thus guaranteed life with Jesus in the next world? Once again, "Yes" or "No" please. Thank you!
@hammerogod Just for the record, I am not a gay man. I would appreciate answer to my 2 questions please. Either a yes nor no. That will be sufficient. 1. Can a practicing homosexual who likes to "party" go to heaven? 2. Since I accepted Jesus back in '69 and am currently an practicing Mormon, am I still "SAVED" thus guaranteed life with Jesus in the next world? Once again, "Yes" or "No" please. Thank you!
@loganhistorian The concept of "Whoever" ~ Salvation is rooted in the grace of God. "For bankrupt sinners with no ground of their own upon which to stand, with nothing of their own upon which to stand, with nothing of their own to hold up to God worthy of reward, it is their only hope, but it is their sufficient hope." ~Christian theologian Frank Stagg~ ... Once you have accepted the sacificial death of Jesus as payment for your sins you are no longer in charge of your Eternity ... Jesus is.
@LDStothecore J Smith Jr eventually realized that the Angel (Moroni) story had possible negative connotations so he changed the story of the first vision 10 times ... You do the research.
Well, she's part way there. Now to get free of Christianity and religion altogether! Religion means you must turn off your curious mind, be careful not to ask the wrong questions, learn to not notice the glaring contradictions and compromises. Nobody should have to go through life with their mind shut half off on purpose. There is no Imaginary Friend. Take responsibility for your life! Get all the education you can, from the best sources you can find! Be free!
@Imaginefree69 I constantly question the Bible and my faith and the concepts presented in Christianity .. God insists that we think for ourselves .. God insists that we make the choice for ourselves .. Jesus said He would spew the "Lukewarm" out of His mouth .. By questioning, by thinking, by frequently looking deeper Faith grows .. God does not want robots .. God does not want semi-commited slaves .. God wants fully commited believers .. Just for the record: a closed mind will never be free.
@LDStothecore Satan is an angel of Light. Evil always comes dressed for the party and always hides its evil in seemingly good deeds, and always proclaims its own virtue.
So is homosexuality OK in your new Christian Faith? If so, why? Now be careful with this answer, your going to be ticking of the gays who say they are Christian! By all means Shelly.....Please state your views boldly please! Open up the can of worms!
@loganhistorian Allow me a chance, as a Christian, to answer the question simply: God loves homosexuals (period, the discussion could end here) >>> John 3:16 (yeah, I know you've heard it before) "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that WHOEVER believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life" ... are homosexuals a part of WHOEVER? ... I'm pretty sure they are.
The Morman Church was founded by a man that had many wives and lied about it, Made many false profecies, and was responsible for many deaths. The morman church is a fear based religion where its members are told that questioning the doctrine that they are given is "Going astray."
The very bible itself that the mormans claim to follow says that the way to tell if a profet is true is to test them. Test Joseph Smith's profecies, test other Book of Morman profets and you will see they are wrong, Then test the Bibles and see for yourself. I am not a "Morman Hater," Just want people to be informed. Read the book "One Nation Under Gods," If you really want facts. Sandra Tanner is in it and if you didnt know that is the great grandchild of Brigham Young. God Bless!!
Well then Judaism must be truer than mormonism, because people have gone to murderous lengths to destroy the Jewish people. Catholicism must also be truer than mormonism, because the history of anti-catholicism is way longer than the history of anti-mormonism. In fact even in mormon temples, they use to preach against the Catholic church. You are using faulty logic, persecution isn't a sign that your theology is true or untrue. It's simply a sign that some people don't like you!! that's all.
@plutogirllovekj In Fact they used to preach against the catholics in the temple? I have no idea what brings people to tell these kind of lies but I really would love to understand it.
The fact that you cannot understand how someone could ever find fault with your perfect church is proof in and of itself that you have never tested the veracity of the Mormon church.
In effect what you are saying is that the church Jesus founded failed, but the church Joseph Smith founded has no possibility of being untrue.
@thesignsoflife7 I certainly understand how someone would find fault; it is because they refuse to look for anything else. Let's "understand" one thing perfectly clear. Joseph Smith did not "found" the church. Jesus Christ, the One & Only, Living Messiah, King of King, & Lord of Lords founded it. He is the Chief Cornerstone of it, with a foundation of Prophets and Apostles, the SAME as in the primitive church-His Bride-that He previously founded & organized & will come to redeem from the world.
In the Christian faith, John is not a cornerstone. His gospel could be entirely removed and the truth of Jesus would remain. Same for any individual in the Bible except one: Jesus.
In Mormonism, the cornerstone is Smith. Without him you have nothing whatsoever.
It is most certainly NOT the same as the primitive church at all. Stop trying to shoehorn Mormonism into history, it doesn't fit.
marco, you sure like to ride this bitter hobbyhorse of yours, don't you? That all people who come out of mormonism to the true gospel of Jesus Christ are just pitiful failures who could not or would not live up to the demands of mormonism. This is also a red herring. Fact is, YOU do not live up to the demands of mormonism either. Your pride blinds you to this fact. You never will see it wallowing in your self-righteousness and pride. Repent, come to the real Jesus.
@theminimumdog Does coming to the real Jesus mean I get to put down other religions. And live the rest of my life discrediting people that don't think exactly the same way I do? Hallelujah, Praise the Lord. Someone get me sign!!!! I am totally on board of that crazy train.
Challenge for you, marco. Forget what I post. OK? For the next 30 days, read the Gospel of John in the new testament. Pray Heavenly father show you Jesus. Ask him to reveal to you who Jesus is.
And I will continue to pray the same for you. Fair enough?
@theminimumdog Oh its true minimum. You caught me. I do enjoy flinging a nice steaming pile of poo right back at the source from which it came. My advice to all you simpletons that think you can just take unanswered cheap shots at my faith all day. Well... Don't dish it out if you can't take it! The average Latter day saint might shy away because its true for the most part we are a humble people. But humility has never been my strongest emotion. Christ still has much work to do with me.
Love Mormons; abhor Mormonism for the twistology of theology, sedition of addition & infusion of confusion that it is which places it plainly as a cult of contradiction, contrivance & control.
Gee marcopolo, still making stupid straw-man arguments on YT?? I thought you learned from a wise Christian what a straw-man argument is and how silly they are to undergird a point. Here it is again: "A straw man is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in order to divert attention from the original issue. The basic idea is to 'win' an argument by leading attention away from the argument and to another topic."
Now, try and stay on topic. Listen to the video again.
Oh im right on the topic. Trouble is no one wants to look at the topic. Or they take the crafty approach of taking unrelated topics like this gent here and trying to apply it to a situation that it doesnt fit into. I dont know why people do it. Resentment I guess?
(Sigh) Marco- " If the church wasn't true, would people try to go to great lengths to discredit it?" Your answer is a resounding YES! Why? Because it is NOT TRUE. Clear thinking people do not appreciate being lied to and misled. Especially when it comes to the things of God. See Jude 3. That is what Shelly's testimony is about. The only resentment is from folks who realize they have been misled and lied to. You have been also. Trouble is, you just don't realize it yet.
No the LDS do not believe that Jesus Christ is a warrior. The Jews were hoping for a liberator and when Christ came to the earth the first time, he was meek and mild. He was a "spiritual deliverer" but the Jews were hoping for a military leader.
When Christ returns, it isn't gonna be pretty!
He has vowed to bring destruction upon the wicked and so forth. I encourage you to get into Revelations and you're welcome to ask me questions. I can help u find stuff in the Bible.
Actually the origin of the word religion is greek and what it means is what binds you or what you are tied to. So no matter what your beliefs, you are binded to them, rather they be Christian, judiasm, mormonism, buddism, Islam, etc. and even Atheism. . There is nothing you can do to not be a part of your beliefs bc you will always be bound to what you believe.
According to the theological definition of the term, a cult is a group that denies essential biblical doctrine while claiming to be Christian or in harmony with true Christianity. While Mormons claim to be members of the one true Christian church, they deny historic and essential Christian doctrines; therefore, evangelical Christians do, indeed, consider it a cult of Christianity.
Instead of sitting there finding fault with another Christian's beleif, how about joining them in the knowledge that Jesus Christ is our Lord and Reedemer? I have friends who are of other Christian faiths and instead of argueing who is right and wrong, we share with eachother our knowledge and testimony of Christ and rejoice together in Him. Is this what Christ was talking about when He taught in the Bible to love our fellowmen?
@theminimumdog I wouldn't imagine mormonism any where close to Christianity since Christianity is "Monotheism" and mormonism is "henotheism" they both have terms... however one is in disguised as the other and is extremely deceptive. so in a why I would agree but also disagree completely when defining both.
@theminimumdog Here is a more accurate definition of CULT --- The word cult pejoratively refers to a group whose beliefs or practices are considered abnormal or bizarre.[1] The word originally denoted a system of ritual practices. Dont you think that some people would find both the entire Christian and Muslim faith, well pretty much all religions to fit the definition of CULT perfectly. Lets see I find the whole symbolic cannibalism bizarre, Drink this it is my blood, eat this its my flesh
@par lets not forget Cult like activities and things - ashes on the head, fasting, denying your self anything (like now, lent),making any of the blood sacrifices, Believing just plan silly stories as factual,Praying( the thought that you can talk to a god inside your head and he might just change the way something is because you are asking him to suspend every physical law that he put into effect), belief in exorcisms, demons, miracles ( also the suspension of all natural laws)Babtism, Etc,etc
@theminimumdog Like I said, you won't find her definition of cult in Google dictionaries or in Webster. It appears to me that these "theologians" went at it backwards to insure that the definition they create will fit the word So, they have apparently located the beliefs to which they disagree, wrapped them up all nice and neat, and then they decided to put the word "Cult" in front of it. And then to top it all off...TMD adds "a cult of Christianity." Sounds just a bit TOO convenient.
@theminimumdog I invite you readers out there to consider this: Notice how TMD says "this definition is correct" & points to one created to ensure the Church fits into its darkness. That's much like playing poker with your hands tied behind your back & your opponent deals; plays his cards & yours; places your bets; wins; grabs the pot; & runs out the door gloating & boasting in the pride of his spoils, pointing backward exclaiming, "He really shouldn't play poker; he's not very good at it"
6. Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances.
7. There are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the group/leader.
8. Followers feel they can never be "good enough".
9. The group/leader is always right.
10. The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible.
-Reasoning? Yeah, I'll admit it... I like reasoning.
-Take it "like a man" you say. Who should I "take it" from? Your prophet? And what exactly am I supposed to "take"? (I think that line was particularly funny since Mormon men are not allowed to think for themselves.)
-As far as not wanting to be a "Saint" - I had no choice... I was born into that nutty world. I have plenty of inside stories that I need not explain to you that contributed to my waking up.
- As for denial, I have one for you. Try denying this: Joseph was a polygamist /Joseph used a "seer-stone" placed in his hat to translate the BOM/ The "first-vision" was not recorded until 1832 & listed Joseph as being visited by an angel forgiving him of his sins - it was consequently revised a total of 3 times until the final story in 1848/ I could go on & on & on. By the way, these are not "anti-mormon" views, they come from the churches own records and you can find this all out quite easily.
Most people put all kinds of reasoning behind the decisions they make usually after they make it. Its human nature to do so. But I really do feel for you knowing the truth. Knowing what your up against and you still choose to walk the path your on. Its got to be rough. I think your and I's history may be quite similar to tell you the truth. I wish I hadn't walked your path for 20 years before I let go of my resentment and pain. Taking accountability for myself was a huge step for me.
So, let me get this straight. You spend your time watching anti-mormon vid's as a way of letting go your "resentment and pain"? Or is this your idea of "accountability"? I find it ironic that instead of confronting the LDS Corporation (Woops! I meant "Church") you ignore the facts I posted below and resort to asking if I'm gay. Weak shit maynard.
No taking accountability comes when you fess up to yourself and everyone that You are to blame for the way your life turned out and stop blaming others for the things you created. If thats weak then Im sorry thats the most powerful thing I have to offer you. And if you are gay its cool don't mean to make fun. It would just explain alot about you. I have a gay brother and you and him are mental twins. Cant really ignore those facts when they deal directly with you can you?
You just showed everyone what a complete brainwashed idiot you are. What would being gay have to do with anything? I never said I was gay -you made that up. Not that it's any of your damn business, but I happen to be straight. I have been very happily married now for 22 years and have grown children in college. As for your reference to my mentality, you don't know the first thing about me. You know nothing & your brainwashing has embittered you bud. I'm through with you now. Bye.
You know I get almost the exact same result from everyone that blames the LDS church for all their problems in life. As soon as I hit a little to close to home for them. They say something that makes absolutely no sense and then they run away. I don't know whats sadder. To think what your kids have turned out like or live in denial for 22 years. Hey if you dont want to discuss the truth then I can dig it. But please be honest with your own family. They need to see that you still have it in you
Wow Tool, Still trying to put reasoning behind your personal decisions. Good luck with that. Wouldn't it just be easier to take it like a man and just admit that. You didn't want to be a Latter Day Saint?I mean come one man the truth will set you free. Denial will only lead to your own destruction. Is there any way to help you leave the spirit of Christ behind you and replace it with something healthy?
-Finally, you say denial will lead to my DESTRUCTION! Boo! Scream! Run! I'm sooo scared. I could care less for the judgement of any man. I'm agnostic and have never been happier.
Now, go get some help. I will help you with getting free if you like...
6. Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances.
7. There are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the group/leader.
8. Followers feel they can never be "good enough".
9. The group/leader is always right.
10. The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible.
Try this Mormons.... read "No Man Knows My History" by Fawn Brody (one of the most respected historians ever in the United States) and see what you don't know. By the way - she uses the LDS Church's own historical documents as her footnotes. I think you will be shocked to learn what the church has chosen not to teach you. Milk before meat right?! HAhaaa! Just try reading that book and see what you think.
Isaiah 43:10 says "...Before Me there was no God formed Nor shall there be after me" Cross reference that with Isaiah 44:6; 45:18 (many more not listed) Joseph Smith and Brigham Young both taught that we can become gods. They were not telling the truth. And if you die believing this you will go to the very hell that you do not believe in. I beg all of you by the mercies of God to reject Mormonism and come to the truth. If anyone would like to know more about the truth let me know.
Yea i agree with you lugia0013. I not sure what this lady is getting at. I think her husband got into her head and fed her with anti mormon stuff. But then again it shows she does not know very much about the mormon church at all. I feel sorry for this lady.
MANY LDS leaders have said awful things, and taught false doctrine. I found the temple cold and not of God. I tried for years to make sence of this bologna.
Lets not talk about the temple changes in 1990 and 2005. Many lies are told to LDS youth and potential converts. Mormonism is a CULT, thru and thru.
The most vile and gross thing a man can do is attack anothers faith. I am not sure which Church this lady went to . At one point she states that on "Wednesday's Chatachism". I belive that is from the Catholic Church. She is very confused.
She is not too confused if she she know the truth that the Mormon church is a cult. The Mormon cult is sick and racist and bigoted. I finally feel free to be free. I encourage others to dare to question!
Kiss my A!! Mormons are a total cult I have seen the truth from the inside. Mormons cures to hell every one who does nto think like them, walk like them talk like them and are blind fool sheep like them. Their "prophet" rides around in a Limousine for god sake! The only ones in over their head are fools like you!!!
It is too bad that folks watching this video did not get to see the message you sent me. They would know that youare nothing more than a lowlife with a very small I.Q, and an even smaller mastery of the English language. You have marginalized yourself by your foul language and knee jerk response. Thank you
Myway, read the response you just gave. You are guilty of the same thing that you say others posting on this video are doing to you. Sounds like the special pleading logical fallacy to me.
On the contrary. I do not judge other faiths. you do not like the LDS faith... fine look elsewheres, but do not set around and stand in judgement of my Church. Besides comments were directed at TrippyNDN, who has quite the potty mouth as he demonstrated by messaging me. And yet he gets on here and judges and talks bad about the LDS Church.
Granted, TrippyNDN may have said derogatory things, but not every Christian is like that. I always make it a point to question the doctrine but NEVER attack or insult the person who believes it. I'm more civil; some not as much. But, you say he's judging the church. Looks like you're also judging him for judging the church. So, what's the difference? You're both judging.
You go girl for getting out of that cult. Mormon people are nice, but don't be fooled by their cult. They are a cult. They believe good works get you to heaven and they also believe that Joepsh Smith is a prophet. Joepsh Smith is a false prophet a symbol of Satan and Satan trying to take over this world. The Trinity is the way and the only way you get to heaven is through accepting Jesus as your lord and savior and asking forgiveness of your sins. Don't let the mormon cult fool you!!!!!!!!
Bible is taught everywhere Shelly, frm primary to yw. Pray and ponder and having faith is all you need. Dont blame the church, youve been taught of atonement of Christ and that wasit
Of course it is only 1 of 4 books of doctrine(Bible,book of mormon,pearl of great price,book of abraham), and is the least important to the lds as they claim that is is not translated correctly to begin with.
I just typed some ADDED COMMENTARY to the right to address a number of posts that have gotten deleted because they are attacking Shelly's personal character. You attack her character; your posts will get deleted.
Pt 1 of 4: In the beloved (Christ) I am accepted by God the Father unconditionally, which also means that I am loved unconditionally by God the Father in the beloved (Christ). Yet a word of sobering caution needs to added to this amazing truth. God expects those who are loved unconditionally in Christ to OBEY Him.
Pt 2 of 4: Believing spiritual deception is one thing. Passing ALONG our spiritual deception to OTHERS as though it is uncontested truth - uncontested fact - can send us straight to hell! If there is one thing that angers God more than anything else we can do in this life ... it is passing along our spiritual deception to others as though it is truth.
Pt 3 of 4: Most all of us have been spiritually deceived at one time or another as followers of God, just like the Apostle Paul once was, but if we don't periodically examine what we believe and are teaching others, and show a willingness to God to admit that we were wrong in what we believed and have been passing along to others ... God's unconditional love and acceptance toward us can be thrown right out the window, so to speak.
Pt 4 of 4: The most serious sin/s a person can commit is to pass their spiritual deception along to others, and refuse to see it as error. (See: Ephesians 1:6 for scriptural basis).
Remember what Christ said, Don't Judge one another, if you do you can expect to be Judge on Judgment day. Instead Love one another with all your heart might and soul. I have so much Love for you. This is why I am so blessed and I thank Christ for what he has done for us all if we can just strive to do better every day. Much Love.
Tim: Of course you are wise enough to realize what Jesus was talking about, surely. He certainly WASN'T talking about discerning Truth from disception. Jesus, the Father, and the Holy Spirit certainly DOES want His true disciples to discern Satan's doings; otherwise how would we discern "false prophets" - "wolves in sheep's clothing"? Now anyone who confuses "judgment" from "discernment" -- well ... there is a huge gulf of misunderstanding in between. Pt 1 of 2
I am so happy to be a Latter day saint. To have been chosen by Christ is a blessing. I find is so sad that there are so many people judging the church. It is not about who is wrong or right. It is about humbling yourself and asking God if its true. It is so sad when I see the many posts that people clearly don't know what the church is about.
Now regarding your statement: "It's not about being right or wrong. It's about asking God if it's true?" I read the Book of Mormon - prayed, and the Holy Spirit told me to run as far and fast as I could from deception. I've been running every since, and trying to help as many as I can to escape deception such as you propogate. Yep - I love you, but not your demonic spiritual darkness. Weigh careful your future posts. You weigh in the balances.
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Try humbling yourself and reading the BOM again. God will only answer those who truly desire to know the truth and have love in there hearts. I love you brother, bashing is not the answer.
And It was Jesus who was Killed not god, Again there is NO valid scriptural basis for the trinity. There was no Trinitarian doctrine prior to 400 ad, It was added by man, specifically warned against by the bible
When was the last time you READ Chapter 1 in the Book of John? Many other scriptures state that Jesus Christ WAS and IS God, (as IS the Father; as IS the Holy Spirit). However - Here is ONE scripture you may want to diligently pray about in 1 Timothy 3:16: "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh; (I'll stop right there. We talking in this scripture about Buddha, Mohammed, Porky Pig, Bugs Bunny ... or perhaps if you read the full text: JESUS!?
Christ clearly said that you had to maintain your status with good works and maintaining gods standard, NOWHERE does it say you are saved by just believing, you have been misled, And J smith called himself a prophet, you can put whatever spin on it you like, J smith copied large sections of the BOM over, They did not speak in elizabethan english, Mormonism i s a tool of satan
We're saved by God's GRACE because GOD died for us (paid the penalty for our sins) on the Cross. That's what we are to BELIEVE. BELIEVING that Truth is what saves us, AND ... as we do "good works", that is the visible evidence that we are TRULY disciples of the REAL Jesus Christ - GOD. You can throw out being saved by our "good works" by the thief on the Cross who had NO TIME to do "good works", other than plead for mercy before Jesus died. Jesus assured him he'd be in Paradise with Him.
True Christians are NOT saved by "good works." (They are saved by BELIEVING that none other than God HIMSELF took full penalty for their sins by dying for them on the cross. It was a work of God's grace, and we simply accept it as fact. Mormons don't teach God HIMSELF died for our sins). BUT - True Christians are saved to DO "good works." Part of doing "good works" is to EXPOSE false truth - expose religious deception, which is what this video is helping do.
Mormons teach Jesus Christ was/is: "God's Son" or "The Son of God" or "The Christ" or "Christ" ... but when you try to point them to Biblical scripture where it says that Jesus Christ ALWAYS WAS and IS fully GOD -- fully One of the Persons of the eternal triune Godhead - they attempt to refute that FACT. That makes them a cult; not to mention all the other deception they teach. Any ("church") denying that Jesus Christ WAS and IS fully God - WATCH OUT!
Gods law clearly warned us that false prophets would come after christs death and to keep on the watch for them because they will mislead us, Any prophet who came after christs death is a false prophet, this includes J Smith. They are all about emotion and not logic.
For some clarification: The role of the "Prophet" changed somewhat after Jesus assended back to heaven. In the New Covenant, you have several references to prophets on the scene. And as you say, we are given warnings about false prophets who will rise up as well. Apostle Peter functioned as a New Covenant "Prophet", as did the Apostle Paul, and many other pillars of the Church. True Prophets today don't care to be called that. They just humbly function in the grace God has given them.
A P.S. to my last post. Card carrying "Prophets" are ones I greatly RUN FROM! They are granted approval by their fans to "prophesy" all sorts of erroneous things, yet are never held in account for being wrong. Many of them are even being used of Satan to help "shipwreck people's faith". True prophets of today realize the sobering standards God held the Old Testament prophets to, and thus anyone functioning in the church today as a true prophet would rather the TITLE be omitted from them.
. We can only help those who humble themselves and except God's love and truly seek the truth. Love One another, I can't believe this is so hard for so many people to do. Instead they attack what other people believe and how sad it will be on Judgment day, when they have to answer to God for all the persecution of those who truly Love God . Love one another. I say these things in the name of Jesus Christ Amen. Much Love
THANK YOU. Im so glad someone stands up against all this imbesil and ignorant behavioure on the you tube.Thank you,thank you,thank you.Please dont stop telling of liers and other "anti" & hater ppl. Also...please excuse my poor english skills,im from Norway and dont know any better,hehe.^^
I understand what she's talking about. I USED TO BE MORMON, dum-dum, armaggeddonflame.
The Mormons have persistantly changed their beliefs in order to continue to be accepted by society.
Their beliefs 50 yrs ago ARE NOT the same beliefs they have now.
Mormons are probably in alot more trouble than I previously thought. Satan himself told Eve she could become like God if she ate the fruit. Now the Mormons are telling people the same thing.
52 down-voters are kidding themselves.
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Wow, I find it hard to believe her story. Young children sing of Jesus all the time, grace is understood, the Bible is studied, there is a hell, coke is not prohibited, so I'm not sure which church she was attending.
allmetal71 7 months ago
I'm happy for her!
SOBEKsRAINBOW 7 months ago
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For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son. He suffered for us so that we can repent and return to him. What ever you have against this church, ask a Mormon missionary or attend our church and learn what we believe.
RetroBubbert 7 months ago
The 50+ dislikes for this video probably came from Mormon church members who don't want their church's beliefs exposed.
DiscipleofElijah 7 months ago
Yeh. I've posted a 30-45min video exposing Mormon Church Cult and there are many negative comments from Mormons who say its not true - even though the mormon scriptures declare and even a video footage was shown of the Mormon Temple in Utah. Even exposing the lie that God The Father had many wives and babies, and that Lucifer was Jesus' brother - the planet Kolab and so on. Yet in the face of truth they are all in denial with cusses and swearing. Same with muslims when I quote the Surah's.
Ezra1Jesus1Disciple 6 months ago
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@Ezra1Jesus1Disciple Brigham Young said you are damned if you deny polygamy.
"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 3, p. 266). Also, "The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy," (Journal of Discourses, vol. 11, p. 269). How can mormons get to be gods if they disobey their prophets warning ? Brigham wanted to kill blacks who mixed witth whites too
blutowpi 5 months ago
Interesting...Google - "define:cult", & you will not find her definition. (A cult, generally, is a form of religion, worship or belief toward a person, idea, movement or work.) Sounds like early christianity to me. She states (or creates) a definition that "fits" LDS beliefs, tailors it to be bad, then accuses Mormonism of being a cult. I like this definition from the internet: "A cult is a church down the street from your church." Anon In other words, she doesn't agree, ergo "they" are bad.
batterdown 8 months ago 5
"Evangelical Christians" are no basis. They, too, are rife with error. They were wise to follow Luther to reject the false teachings of the Bishop of Rome but unwise to throw out all of Tradition simply because the Vatican Church tainted it. Rather, they should have looked at it piece by piece, keeping that which is good.
kenndl 8 months ago
Lol we arent perfect thats why christ came! BUT to LOVE Him we must keep his commandments
jonnygotz2343 9 months ago
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" Matthew 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
airsharp001 9 months ago
Mormonism...what's wrong with those people???...are they so blinded that when the very truth is spoken they deny it?? I couldn't help but look at these verse: Romans:1:24: Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Romans:1:25: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
It is Gods will that this text exists.
JSeely218 9 months ago
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2 Corinthians - ...for even Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
Galations 1:8 - But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse.
The angel of light that appeared before Smith preached a different gospel than what Jesus taught. Something Jesus warned about.
mormonism is a lie....
luckylongarm1 10 months ago
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IF you are looking into the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints be sure to ask a active member not a non member or someone who is having problems at this time in their lives . If you want to know about the Baptist Church go to their site . If you want to learn about us ask us. And ask yourself about the fruit you see from us.
mollymu1 10 months ago
IF you are looking into the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints be sure to ask a active member not a non member or someone who is having problems at this time in their lives . If you want to know about the Baptist Church go to their site . If you want to learn about us ask us. And ask yourself by the fruit you see.
mollymu1 10 months ago
so she went from one cult to anthor
starscreamdakmo 10 months ago
Definition of CULT
1: formal religious veneration : worship
2: a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents
This is from Webster, so then all religions are cults, eh?
TehPunchface 11 months ago 2
I dont remember very many songs about Joseph Smith from primary... I do remember things like "Jesus wants me for a Sunbeam"...
TheDSPsphinx 11 months ago
Very moving testimony! Very powerful! Thank you for bearing your soul for Jesus!
EarthRover 11 months ago
Good Ms. Shelly Bauer, you began to use logic and critical thinking. Keep going. If you keep using your mind the entire bible will be shown for the ridiculous, superstitious book written by common man that it is. Begin to look into how the bible was spread depending on who won what wars and depending on how immigrants spread. Look into all the contradictions, the just plain silly stories and explanations for them. Keep searching and find the truth. That the HOLY BABBLE is FICTION. Use your mind.
party489 11 months ago
Good on you sister
belauidid 1 year ago
I left that cult after 50 yrs. of brainwashing and emotional bondage. The price I am paying for it? My son is shunning me because his dad, my ex (anti-Mormon himself), helps him to spite me, and the church bishopric encourages it all, seeing the opportunity to keep a member. They are teaching him to go against his mothers wishes and are putting me down, calling me apostate. So much for letting others worship as they choose. LEAVE MY CHILDREN ALONE! I DO NOT WANT THEM IN YOUR CULT OR MISSION 4 U!
latterdaymystic 1 year ago
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Did Donny Osmond wear his sacred undies while playing "Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat" ?
ccolimon 1 year ago
@MrFitzwilly The book of Mormon, "most correct book on earth"? No evidence to support. No archeological evidence to support. No witnesses to support it. The Bible stand alone as the only true source for man's redemption. Evidence is everywhere. You are so deceived and it is so sad to see so many like you be lead astray by manmade doctrines and demonic influence. OPEN YOUR EYES!!!
figgytwo1 1 year ago 2
@MrFitzwilly Fight against the truth? Joseph Smith's own words..."We have imagined that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil so that you may see...He was once a man like you and me....Here then is eternal life...you have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves...the same as all Gods have done before you...." This is the truth??? ATotally opposite from what the Scriptures teach!!! You have got to be kidding!!!!!!!
figgytwo1 1 year ago
@MrFitzwilly Amen
myway43 1 year ago
@MrFitzwilly how can one see the Father if He has no form because of His invisibility and spiritual nature? Jhn 5:37,Col 1:15,Jhn 4:24
who came first God or man?
theembracedofgod 1 year ago
I don't believe her. She sounds like a liar, and a fraud.
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So when you die, how do you spend eternity? What does Satan look like? Are gays going to heaven. Is there gay sex there? Can one do evil in heaven. If not why? If so, what happens? Is there pornography in heaven? Why or why not. If a man is evil but saved here on this earth, what stops him from doing evil in heaven? Does he still have his free will to continue and saved if he's doing it now? If he can't, who stops him and what are the consequences? Can a man go to heaven then hell? Why?
loganhistorian 1 year ago
The great apostasy and the restoration is bad enough, you don't even have to mention the other details and beliefs...
CommieThreat 1 year ago
Young Mormons eat their pets
motelcalifornia 1 year ago
@motelcalifornia no we dont? lol. weird thing to say considering i am one
Noelle114 1 year ago
Mormons eat their young!
motelcalifornia 1 year ago
@motelcalifornia wrong....
Noelle114 1 year ago
@Noelle114 How can I be wrong more than once?
motelcalifornia 1 year ago
AMEN
momoboy2010 1 year ago
@LDStothecore History says different ... Glad you follow Jesus ... Why do you even need Joseph? ... ANY relationship with Jesus the Christ is One On One with no intermediaries ... Why do you need J Smith? ... I found out that I didn't need the Pope .. I go straight to Jesus ... If you think that J Smith added anything to what Jesus already did then rethink it ... PLEASE
hammerogod 1 year ago
@LDStothecore We are all called by God to serve Him ... Each of us has a "Calling" ... Joseph Smith was called but he failed .. J Smith went for the dark side sweetie and anyone who denies that or refuses to see that is doing so as a willful act ... You made your choice about who you would follow and you will have to answer for that choice ... Even though I think you are dramatically and tragically wrong the choice is still yours.
hammerogod 1 year ago
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Just for the record, I am not a gay man. I would appreciate answer to my 2 questions please. Either a yes nor no. That will be sufficient. 1. Can a practicing homosexual who likes to "party" go to heaven? 2. Since I accepted Jesus back in '69 and am currently an practicing Mormon, am I still "SAVED" thus guaranteed life with Jesus in the next world? Once again, "Yes" or "No" please. Thank you!
loganhistorian 1 year ago
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Just for the record, I am not a gay man. I would appreciate answer to my 2 questions please. Either a yes nor no. That will be sufficient. 1. Can a practicing homosexual who likes to "party" go to heaven? 2. Since I accepted Jesus back in '69 and am currently an practicing Mormon, am I still "SAVED" thus guaranteed life with Jesus in the next world? Once again, "Yes" or "No" please. Thank you!
loganhistorian 1 year ago
@LDStothecore J Smith changed the story several times depending upon whom he was talking to .. yet he claimed that ALL of his revelations were God uttered ... that leads to a question: Did God change the foundational and fundimental events that J Smith based all of his Theology on or did J Smith change them to suit Political and Cultural changes as people started to pin him down about the fundimentals of his revelations? ... Only one case can be true ... at best it makes J Smith look suspicious.
hammerogod 1 year ago
@loganhistorian I wanted to add that you are not the ONLY Christian homosexual ... you are not the only Christian homosexual that I personally know ... All of the various restrictions of the Mosiac Law were completed in Jesus ... He totally fulfilled ALL the requirements ... Homosexuality was concidered an "Abomination" in the OT but so was walking farther than 1/3 of a mile on the Sabbath ... just ignore Fred Phelps and love Jesus.
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@hammerogod Just for the record, I am not a gay man. I would appreciate answer to my 2 questions please. Either a yes or no. That will be sufficient. 1. Can a practicing homosexual who likes to "party" go to heaven? 2. Since I accepted Jesus back in '69 and am currently a practicing Mormon, am I still "SAVED" thus guaranteed life with Jesus in the next world? Once again, "Yes" or "No" please. Thank you!
loganhistorian 1 year ago
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@hammerogod Just for the record, I am not a gay man. I would appreciate answer to my 2 questions please. Either a yes nor no. That will be sufficient. 1. Can a practicing homosexual who likes to "party" go to heaven? 2. Since I accepted Jesus back in '69 and am currently an practicing Mormon, am I still "SAVED" thus guaranteed life with Jesus in the next world? Once again, "Yes" or "No" please. Thank you!
loganhistorian 1 year ago
@loganhistorian The concept of "Whoever" ~ Salvation is rooted in the grace of God. "For bankrupt sinners with no ground of their own upon which to stand, with nothing of their own upon which to stand, with nothing of their own to hold up to God worthy of reward, it is their only hope, but it is their sufficient hope." ~Christian theologian Frank Stagg~ ... Once you have accepted the sacificial death of Jesus as payment for your sins you are no longer in charge of your Eternity ... Jesus is.
hammerogod 1 year ago
@LDStothecore J Smith Jr eventually realized that the Angel (Moroni) story had possible negative connotations so he changed the story of the first vision 10 times ... You do the research.
Google this:
irr.org/mit/first-vision/fvision-accounts.html
hammerogod 1 year ago
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
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hammerogod 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 I constantly question the Bible and my faith and the concepts presented in Christianity .. God insists that we think for ourselves .. God insists that we make the choice for ourselves .. Jesus said He would spew the "Lukewarm" out of His mouth .. By questioning, by thinking, by frequently looking deeper Faith grows .. God does not want robots .. God does not want semi-commited slaves .. God wants fully commited believers .. Just for the record: a closed mind will never be free.
hammerogod 1 year ago
@LDStothecore Satan is an angel of Light. Evil always comes dressed for the party and always hides its evil in seemingly good deeds, and always proclaims its own virtue.
havock89 1 year ago
So is homosexuality OK in your new Christian Faith? If so, why? Now be careful with this answer, your going to be ticking of the gays who say they are Christian! By all means Shelly.....Please state your views boldly please! Open up the can of worms!
loganhistorian 1 year ago
@loganhistorian Allow me a chance, as a Christian, to answer the question simply: God loves homosexuals (period, the discussion could end here) >>> John 3:16 (yeah, I know you've heard it before) "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that WHOEVER believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life" ... are homosexuals a part of WHOEVER? ... I'm pretty sure they are.
hammerogod 1 year ago
The Morman Church was founded by a man that had many wives and lied about it, Made many false profecies, and was responsible for many deaths. The morman church is a fear based religion where its members are told that questioning the doctrine that they are given is "Going astray."
williamoscar1987 1 year ago
The very bible itself that the mormans claim to follow says that the way to tell if a profet is true is to test them. Test Joseph Smith's profecies, test other Book of Morman profets and you will see they are wrong, Then test the Bibles and see for yourself. I am not a "Morman Hater," Just want people to be informed. Read the book "One Nation Under Gods," If you really want facts. Sandra Tanner is in it and if you didnt know that is the great grandchild of Brigham Young. God Bless!!
williamoscar1987 1 year ago
she says she overcame cults but she's in a christian cult !?
saadaya 1 year ago
As an atheist, I think this woman is a daft cow.
HotAmericanGurl 1 year ago
Salvation is in the person of Jesus Christ, not the church of Jesus Christ.
thesignsoflife7 2 years ago
Well then Judaism must be truer than mormonism, because people have gone to murderous lengths to destroy the Jewish people. Catholicism must also be truer than mormonism, because the history of anti-catholicism is way longer than the history of anti-mormonism. In fact even in mormon temples, they use to preach against the Catholic church. You are using faulty logic, persecution isn't a sign that your theology is true or untrue. It's simply a sign that some people don't like you!! that's all.
plutogirllovekj 2 years ago
@plutogirllovekj In Fact they used to preach against the catholics in the temple? I have no idea what brings people to tell these kind of lies but I really would love to understand it.
marcopolo8765 2 years ago
marcopolo8765:
THE TRUTH brings people out of Mormonism.
The fact that you cannot understand how someone could ever find fault with your perfect church is proof in and of itself that you have never tested the veracity of the Mormon church.
In effect what you are saying is that the church Jesus founded failed, but the church Joseph Smith founded has no possibility of being untrue.
Come to Jesus. Not Joseph Smith.
thesignsoflife7 2 years ago 7
@thesignsoflife7 I certainly understand how someone would find fault; it is because they refuse to look for anything else. Let's "understand" one thing perfectly clear. Joseph Smith did not "found" the church. Jesus Christ, the One & Only, Living Messiah, King of King, & Lord of Lords founded it. He is the Chief Cornerstone of it, with a foundation of Prophets and Apostles, the SAME as in the primitive church-His Bride-that He previously founded & organized & will come to redeem from the world.
batterdown 7 months ago 3
@batterdown
NO. Joseph Smith said he saw Jesus.
That's all you know.
You misunderstand 'cornerstone'.
In the Christian faith, John is not a cornerstone. His gospel could be entirely removed and the truth of Jesus would remain. Same for any individual in the Bible except one: Jesus.
In Mormonism, the cornerstone is Smith. Without him you have nothing whatsoever.
It is most certainly NOT the same as the primitive church at all. Stop trying to shoehorn Mormonism into history, it doesn't fit.
thesignsoflife7 3 months ago
@thesignsoflife7 True that. Very well said.
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marco, you sure like to ride this bitter hobbyhorse of yours, don't you? That all people who come out of mormonism to the true gospel of Jesus Christ are just pitiful failures who could not or would not live up to the demands of mormonism. This is also a red herring. Fact is, YOU do not live up to the demands of mormonism either. Your pride blinds you to this fact. You never will see it wallowing in your self-righteousness and pride. Repent, come to the real Jesus.
theminimumdog 2 years ago
@theminimumdog Does coming to the real Jesus mean I get to put down other religions. And live the rest of my life discrediting people that don't think exactly the same way I do? Hallelujah, Praise the Lord. Someone get me sign!!!! I am totally on board of that crazy train.
marcopolo8765 2 years ago
Challenge for you, marco. Forget what I post. OK? For the next 30 days, read the Gospel of John in the new testament. Pray Heavenly father show you Jesus. Ask him to reveal to you who Jesus is.
And I will continue to pray the same for you. Fair enough?
theminimumdog 2 years ago
And live the rest of my life discrediting people that don't think exactly the same way I do?
Marco, this is exactly what you do now. Go look at any of your posts. Seriously.
theminimumdog 2 years ago
@theminimumdog Oh its true minimum. You caught me. I do enjoy flinging a nice steaming pile of poo right back at the source from which it came. My advice to all you simpletons that think you can just take unanswered cheap shots at my faith all day. Well... Don't dish it out if you can't take it! The average Latter day saint might shy away because its true for the most part we are a humble people. But humility has never been my strongest emotion. Christ still has much work to do with me.
marcopolo8765 2 years ago
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Love Mormons; abhor Mormonism for the twistology of theology, sedition of addition & infusion of confusion that it is which places it plainly as a cult of contradiction, contrivance & control.
theminimumdog 2 years ago
Your Christ is weak. You need to repent and renounce that jesus. The real Christ will set ya free! Free from yourself.
theminimumdog 2 years ago
@ marcopolo8765 your an idiot. you have NOTHING TO OFFER ANYONE!
ulisscarple 2 years ago
Gee marcopolo, still making stupid straw-man arguments on YT?? I thought you learned from a wise Christian what a straw-man argument is and how silly they are to undergird a point. Here it is again: "A straw man is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in order to divert attention from the original issue. The basic idea is to 'win' an argument by leading attention away from the argument and to another topic."
Now, try and stay on topic. Listen to the video again.
theminimumdog 2 years ago
Oh im right on the topic. Trouble is no one wants to look at the topic. Or they take the crafty approach of taking unrelated topics like this gent here and trying to apply it to a situation that it doesnt fit into. I dont know why people do it. Resentment I guess?
marcopolo8765 2 years ago
(Sigh) Marco- " If the church wasn't true, would people try to go to great lengths to discredit it?" Your answer is a resounding YES! Why? Because it is NOT TRUE. Clear thinking people do not appreciate being lied to and misled. Especially when it comes to the things of God. See Jude 3. That is what Shelly's testimony is about. The only resentment is from folks who realize they have been misled and lied to. You have been also. Trouble is, you just don't realize it yet.
theminimumdog 2 years ago
so sad...this dimwit has ROBBED her posterity of the gospel.....(pass the tissue.....)
nurser11 2 years ago
Doesn't the LDS believe that Jesus Christ was some type of a brutal warrior?
I'm glad He's really not.
ripmeanewon 2 years ago
@ripmeanewon
No the LDS do not believe that Jesus Christ is a warrior. The Jews were hoping for a liberator and when Christ came to the earth the first time, he was meek and mild. He was a "spiritual deliverer" but the Jews were hoping for a military leader.
When Christ returns, it isn't gonna be pretty!
He has vowed to bring destruction upon the wicked and so forth. I encourage you to get into Revelations and you're welcome to ask me questions. I can help u find stuff in the Bible.
THELDSLIFE 2 years ago
crying over fairy tales
people need to grow up and see that religion is just stories made you hurt you rather than
lift you up
DRiPPz6800 2 years ago
Actually the origin of the word religion is greek and what it means is what binds you or what you are tied to. So no matter what your beliefs, you are binded to them, rather they be Christian, judiasm, mormonism, buddism, Islam, etc. and even Atheism. . There is nothing you can do to not be a part of your beliefs bc you will always be bound to what you believe.
slipwrestlinknot 2 years ago
I am sorry.
oncom2008 2 years ago
According to the theological definition of the term, a cult is a group that denies essential biblical doctrine while claiming to be Christian or in harmony with true Christianity. While Mormons claim to be members of the one true Christian church, they deny historic and essential Christian doctrines; therefore, evangelical Christians do, indeed, consider it a cult of Christianity.
theminimumdog 2 years ago 10
MINIMUM: WELL stated, and ACCURATELY stated. Thanks for taking the time to post!
NormRasmussen2 2 years ago
@NormRasmussen2
Instead of sitting there finding fault with another Christian's beleif, how about joining them in the knowledge that Jesus Christ is our Lord and Reedemer? I have friends who are of other Christian faiths and instead of argueing who is right and wrong, we share with eachother our knowledge and testimony of Christ and rejoice together in Him. Is this what Christ was talking about when He taught in the Bible to love our fellowmen?
Genei311 6 months ago
@theminimumdog
lol, well evangelicalism is a cult as well
good that theyre fighting over it though
spilledinsanity 1 year ago
@theminimumdog I wouldn't imagine mormonism any where close to Christianity since Christianity is "Monotheism" and mormonism is "henotheism" they both have terms... however one is in disguised as the other and is extremely deceptive. so in a why I would agree but also disagree completely when defining both.
theembracedofgod 1 year ago
@theminimumdog "deny historic and essential Christian doctrines" what exactly are those?
kingryanarthur 1 year ago
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jeanniemarie76 1 year ago
@theminimumdog Here is a more accurate definition of CULT --- The word cult pejoratively refers to a group whose beliefs or practices are considered abnormal or bizarre.[1] The word originally denoted a system of ritual practices. Dont you think that some people would find both the entire Christian and Muslim faith, well pretty much all religions to fit the definition of CULT perfectly. Lets see I find the whole symbolic cannibalism bizarre, Drink this it is my blood, eat this its my flesh
party489 11 months ago
@par lets not forget Cult like activities and things - ashes on the head, fasting, denying your self anything (like now, lent),making any of the blood sacrifices, Believing just plan silly stories as factual,Praying( the thought that you can talk to a god inside your head and he might just change the way something is because you are asking him to suspend every physical law that he put into effect), belief in exorcisms, demons, miracles ( also the suspension of all natural laws)Babtism, Etc,etc
party489 11 months ago
@theminimumdog Like I said, you won't find her definition of cult in Google dictionaries or in Webster. It appears to me that these "theologians" went at it backwards to insure that the definition they create will fit the word So, they have apparently located the beliefs to which they disagree, wrapped them up all nice and neat, and then they decided to put the word "Cult" in front of it. And then to top it all off...TMD adds "a cult of Christianity." Sounds just a bit TOO convenient.
batterdown 6 months ago 2
@theminimumdog I invite you readers out there to consider this: Notice how TMD says "this definition is correct" & points to one created to ensure the Church fits into its darkness. That's much like playing poker with your hands tied behind your back & your opponent deals; plays his cards & yours; places your bets; wins; grabs the pot; & runs out the door gloating & boasting in the pride of his spoils, pointing backward exclaiming, "He really shouldn't play poker; he's not very good at it"
batterdown 6 months ago 2
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10 Signs of a CULT
1. Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability.
2. No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry.
3. No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement.
4. Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions.
5. There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil.
ToolFan68 2 years ago
weak...
ToolFan68 2 years ago
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SevenLivesManyFaces 2 years ago
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10 Signs of a CULT (cont.)
6. Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances.
7. There are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the group/leader.
8. Followers feel they can never be "good enough".
9. The group/leader is always right.
10. The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible.
ToolFan68 2 years ago
In response to "marcopolo8765":
-Reasoning? Yeah, I'll admit it... I like reasoning.
-Take it "like a man" you say. Who should I "take it" from? Your prophet? And what exactly am I supposed to "take"? (I think that line was particularly funny since Mormon men are not allowed to think for themselves.)
-As far as not wanting to be a "Saint" - I had no choice... I was born into that nutty world. I have plenty of inside stories that I need not explain to you that contributed to my waking up.
ToolFan68 2 years ago
So are you now gay?
marcopolo8765 2 years ago
WTF?
ToolFan68 2 years ago
- As for denial, I have one for you. Try denying this: Joseph was a polygamist /Joseph used a "seer-stone" placed in his hat to translate the BOM/ The "first-vision" was not recorded until 1832 & listed Joseph as being visited by an angel forgiving him of his sins - it was consequently revised a total of 3 times until the final story in 1848/ I could go on & on & on. By the way, these are not "anti-mormon" views, they come from the churches own records and you can find this all out quite easily.
ToolFan68 2 years ago
Most people put all kinds of reasoning behind the decisions they make usually after they make it. Its human nature to do so. But I really do feel for you knowing the truth. Knowing what your up against and you still choose to walk the path your on. Its got to be rough. I think your and I's history may be quite similar to tell you the truth. I wish I hadn't walked your path for 20 years before I let go of my resentment and pain. Taking accountability for myself was a huge step for me.
marcopolo8765 2 years ago
So, let me get this straight. You spend your time watching anti-mormon vid's as a way of letting go your "resentment and pain"? Or is this your idea of "accountability"? I find it ironic that instead of confronting the LDS Corporation (Woops! I meant "Church") you ignore the facts I posted below and resort to asking if I'm gay. Weak shit maynard.
ToolFan68 2 years ago
No taking accountability comes when you fess up to yourself and everyone that You are to blame for the way your life turned out and stop blaming others for the things you created. If thats weak then Im sorry thats the most powerful thing I have to offer you. And if you are gay its cool don't mean to make fun. It would just explain alot about you. I have a gay brother and you and him are mental twins. Cant really ignore those facts when they deal directly with you can you?
marcopolo8765 2 years ago
You just showed everyone what a complete brainwashed idiot you are. What would being gay have to do with anything? I never said I was gay -you made that up. Not that it's any of your damn business, but I happen to be straight. I have been very happily married now for 22 years and have grown children in college. As for your reference to my mentality, you don't know the first thing about me. You know nothing & your brainwashing has embittered you bud. I'm through with you now. Bye.
ToolFan68 2 years ago 2
You know I get almost the exact same result from everyone that blames the LDS church for all their problems in life. As soon as I hit a little to close to home for them. They say something that makes absolutely no sense and then they run away. I don't know whats sadder. To think what your kids have turned out like or live in denial for 22 years. Hey if you dont want to discuss the truth then I can dig it. But please be honest with your own family. They need to see that you still have it in you
marcopolo8765 2 years ago
10 Sign of a cult /dangerous group leader
1. Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability.
2. No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry.
3. No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement.
4. Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions.
5. There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil.
ToolFan68 2 years ago
Wow Tool, Still trying to put reasoning behind your personal decisions. Good luck with that. Wouldn't it just be easier to take it like a man and just admit that. You didn't want to be a Latter Day Saint?I mean come one man the truth will set you free. Denial will only lead to your own destruction. Is there any way to help you leave the spirit of Christ behind you and replace it with something healthy?
marcopolo8765 2 years ago
-Finally, you say denial will lead to my DESTRUCTION! Boo! Scream! Run! I'm sooo scared. I could care less for the judgement of any man. I'm agnostic and have never been happier.
Now, go get some help. I will help you with getting free if you like...
ToolFan68 2 years ago
Top 10 Sign of a cult (cont.)
6. Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances.
7. There are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the group/leader.
8. Followers feel they can never be "good enough".
9. The group/leader is always right.
10. The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible.
ToolFan68 2 years ago
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ToolFan68 2 years ago
Try this Mormons.... read "No Man Knows My History" by Fawn Brody (one of the most respected historians ever in the United States) and see what you don't know. By the way - she uses the LDS Church's own historical documents as her footnotes. I think you will be shocked to learn what the church has chosen not to teach you. Milk before meat right?! HAhaaa! Just try reading that book and see what you think.
ToolFan68 2 years ago
Keep building those temples! They'll one day be taken over by the muslims, and turned into muslim mosques! Six on one-half dozen on the other.
skipteecal 2 years ago
Isaiah 43:10 says "...Before Me there was no God formed Nor shall there be after me" Cross reference that with Isaiah 44:6; 45:18 (many more not listed) Joseph Smith and Brigham Young both taught that we can become gods. They were not telling the truth. And if you die believing this you will go to the very hell that you do not believe in. I beg all of you by the mercies of God to reject Mormonism and come to the truth. If anyone would like to know more about the truth let me know.
ericdraws 2 years ago
And what did Christ tell us to use in communion ?
Matthew 26:29
"But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father's kingdom.
The lds use water, but the USED wine untill 1837.
Bidimus1 2 years ago
Yea i agree with you lugia0013. I not sure what this lady is getting at. I think her husband got into her head and fed her with anti mormon stuff. But then again it shows she does not know very much about the mormon church at all. I feel sorry for this lady.
pushallthebuttons 2 years ago
MANY LDS leaders have said awful things, and taught false doctrine. I found the temple cold and not of God. I tried for years to make sence of this bologna.
Lets not talk about the temple changes in 1990 and 2005. Many lies are told to LDS youth and potential converts. Mormonism is a CULT, thru and thru.
beachlady78 2 years ago 2
Yeah right. You sound like a apostate broken record.
solozia 2 years ago
this woman's deluded all false statements.
Teenzish 2 years ago
The most vile and gross thing a man can do is attack anothers faith. I am not sure which Church this lady went to . At one point she states that on "Wednesday's Chatachism". I belive that is from the Catholic Church. She is very confused.
myway43 2 years ago
She is not too confused if she she know the truth that the Mormon church is a cult. The Mormon cult is sick and racist and bigoted. I finally feel free to be free. I encourage others to dare to question!
TrippyNDN 2 years ago
Don't even, you're in way over your head.
myway43 2 years ago
Kiss my A!! Mormons are a total cult I have seen the truth from the inside. Mormons cures to hell every one who does nto think like them, walk like them talk like them and are blind fool sheep like them. Their "prophet" rides around in a Limousine for god sake! The only ones in over their head are fools like you!!!
TrippyNDN 2 years ago
Mormons attack everyone else. fair is fair. You lie, Mormons are terrorists!
TrippyNDN 2 years ago
I would refer to my first response. Thank you for your complete inability to defend your point, or lack of one.
myway43 2 years ago
It is too bad that folks watching this video did not get to see the message you sent me. They would know that youare nothing more than a lowlife with a very small I.Q, and an even smaller mastery of the English language. You have marginalized yourself by your foul language and knee jerk response. Thank you
myway43 2 years ago
Myway, read the response you just gave. You are guilty of the same thing that you say others posting on this video are doing to you. Sounds like the special pleading logical fallacy to me.
rodwyr 2 years ago
On the contrary. I do not judge other faiths. you do not like the LDS faith... fine look elsewheres, but do not set around and stand in judgement of my Church. Besides comments were directed at TrippyNDN, who has quite the potty mouth as he demonstrated by messaging me. And yet he gets on here and judges and talks bad about the LDS Church.
myway43 2 years ago
Granted, TrippyNDN may have said derogatory things, but not every Christian is like that. I always make it a point to question the doctrine but NEVER attack or insult the person who believes it. I'm more civil; some not as much. But, you say he's judging the church. Looks like you're also judging him for judging the church. So, what's the difference? You're both judging.
rodwyr 2 years ago
@TrippyNDN ...wow....wrong....mean....stop that!
Noelle114 1 year ago
You go girl for getting out of that cult. Mormon people are nice, but don't be fooled by their cult. They are a cult. They believe good works get you to heaven and they also believe that Joepsh Smith is a prophet. Joepsh Smith is a false prophet a symbol of Satan and Satan trying to take over this world. The Trinity is the way and the only way you get to heaven is through accepting Jesus as your lord and savior and asking forgiveness of your sins. Don't let the mormon cult fool you!!!!!!!!
jonesjoshua20 2 years ago
most people I've talked to dont even understand the concept of the trinity, yet they still belive it.
yodabud 2 years ago
Just goes to show how gullible people are and swallow what they are told. Blind and just go where they are shown, just like sheep!
TrippyNDN 2 years ago
Bible is taught everywhere Shelly, frm primary to yw. Pray and ponder and having faith is all you need. Dont blame the church, youve been taught of atonement of Christ and that wasit
rodolfo65 2 years ago
Of course it is only 1 of 4 books of doctrine(Bible,book of mormon,pearl of great price,book of abraham), and is the least important to the lds as they claim that is is not translated correctly to begin with.
Bidimus1 2 years ago
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mormans are mind controlled
lightshiner4ubud 2 years ago
I just typed some ADDED COMMENTARY to the right to address a number of posts that have gotten deleted because they are attacking Shelly's personal character. You attack her character; your posts will get deleted.
NormRasmussen2 2 years ago
Pt 1 of 4: In the beloved (Christ) I am accepted by God the Father unconditionally, which also means that I am loved unconditionally by God the Father in the beloved (Christ). Yet a word of sobering caution needs to added to this amazing truth. God expects those who are loved unconditionally in Christ to OBEY Him.
NormRasmussen2 2 years ago
Pt 2 of 4: Believing spiritual deception is one thing. Passing ALONG our spiritual deception to OTHERS as though it is uncontested truth - uncontested fact - can send us straight to hell! If there is one thing that angers God more than anything else we can do in this life ... it is passing along our spiritual deception to others as though it is truth.
NormRasmussen2 2 years ago
Pt 3 of 4: Most all of us have been spiritually deceived at one time or another as followers of God, just like the Apostle Paul once was, but if we don't periodically examine what we believe and are teaching others, and show a willingness to God to admit that we were wrong in what we believed and have been passing along to others ... God's unconditional love and acceptance toward us can be thrown right out the window, so to speak.
NormRasmussen2 2 years ago
Pt 4 of 4: The most serious sin/s a person can commit is to pass their spiritual deception along to others, and refuse to see it as error. (See: Ephesians 1:6 for scriptural basis).
NormRasmussen2 2 years ago
Remember what Christ said, Don't Judge one another, if you do you can expect to be Judge on Judgment day. Instead Love one another with all your heart might and soul. I have so much Love for you. This is why I am so blessed and I thank Christ for what he has done for us all if we can just strive to do better every day. Much Love.
tim4962 2 years ago
Tim: Of course you are wise enough to realize what Jesus was talking about, surely. He certainly WASN'T talking about discerning Truth from disception. Jesus, the Father, and the Holy Spirit certainly DOES want His true disciples to discern Satan's doings; otherwise how would we discern "false prophets" - "wolves in sheep's clothing"? Now anyone who confuses "judgment" from "discernment" -- well ... there is a huge gulf of misunderstanding in between. Pt 1 of 2
NormRasmussen2 2 years ago
I am so happy to be a Latter day saint. To have been chosen by Christ is a blessing. I find is so sad that there are so many people judging the church. It is not about who is wrong or right. It is about humbling yourself and asking God if its true. It is so sad when I see the many posts that people clearly don't know what the church is about.
tim4962 2 years ago
Now regarding your statement: "It's not about being right or wrong. It's about asking God if it's true?" I read the Book of Mormon - prayed, and the Holy Spirit told me to run as far and fast as I could from deception. I've been running every since, and trying to help as many as I can to escape deception such as you propogate. Yep - I love you, but not your demonic spiritual darkness. Weigh careful your future posts. You weigh in the balances.
NormRasmussen2 2 years ago
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Try humbling yourself and reading the BOM again. God will only answer those who truly desire to know the truth and have love in there hearts. I love you brother, bashing is not the answer.
tim4962 2 years ago
Who are we to judge others?
mbelenw 2 years ago
And It was Jesus who was Killed not god, Again there is NO valid scriptural basis for the trinity. There was no Trinitarian doctrine prior to 400 ad, It was added by man, specifically warned against by the bible
dajhrm 2 years ago
When was the last time you READ Chapter 1 in the Book of John? Many other scriptures state that Jesus Christ WAS and IS God, (as IS the Father; as IS the Holy Spirit). However - Here is ONE scripture you may want to diligently pray about in 1 Timothy 3:16: "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh; (I'll stop right there. We talking in this scripture about Buddha, Mohammed, Porky Pig, Bugs Bunny ... or perhaps if you read the full text: JESUS!?
NormRasmussen2 2 years ago
Christ clearly said that you had to maintain your status with good works and maintaining gods standard, NOWHERE does it say you are saved by just believing, you have been misled, And J smith called himself a prophet, you can put whatever spin on it you like, J smith copied large sections of the BOM over, They did not speak in elizabethan english, Mormonism i s a tool of satan
dajhrm 2 years ago
We're saved by God's GRACE because GOD died for us (paid the penalty for our sins) on the Cross. That's what we are to BELIEVE. BELIEVING that Truth is what saves us, AND ... as we do "good works", that is the visible evidence that we are TRULY disciples of the REAL Jesus Christ - GOD. You can throw out being saved by our "good works" by the thief on the Cross who had NO TIME to do "good works", other than plead for mercy before Jesus died. Jesus assured him he'd be in Paradise with Him.
NormRasmussen2 2 years ago
True Christians are NOT saved by "good works." (They are saved by BELIEVING that none other than God HIMSELF took full penalty for their sins by dying for them on the cross. It was a work of God's grace, and we simply accept it as fact. Mormons don't teach God HIMSELF died for our sins). BUT - True Christians are saved to DO "good works." Part of doing "good works" is to EXPOSE false truth - expose religious deception, which is what this video is helping do.
NormRasmussen2 2 years ago
Mormons teach Jesus Christ was/is: "God's Son" or "The Son of God" or "The Christ" or "Christ" ... but when you try to point them to Biblical scripture where it says that Jesus Christ ALWAYS WAS and IS fully GOD -- fully One of the Persons of the eternal triune Godhead - they attempt to refute that FACT. That makes them a cult; not to mention all the other deception they teach. Any ("church") denying that Jesus Christ WAS and IS fully God - WATCH OUT!
NormRasmussen2 2 years ago
Amen to that.
truthseeker1973 2 years ago
Gods law clearly warned us that false prophets would come after christs death and to keep on the watch for them because they will mislead us, Any prophet who came after christs death is a false prophet, this includes J Smith. They are all about emotion and not logic.
dajhrm 2 years ago
For some clarification: The role of the "Prophet" changed somewhat after Jesus assended back to heaven. In the New Covenant, you have several references to prophets on the scene. And as you say, we are given warnings about false prophets who will rise up as well. Apostle Peter functioned as a New Covenant "Prophet", as did the Apostle Paul, and many other pillars of the Church. True Prophets today don't care to be called that. They just humbly function in the grace God has given them.
NormRasmussen2 2 years ago
A P.S. to my last post. Card carrying "Prophets" are ones I greatly RUN FROM! They are granted approval by their fans to "prophesy" all sorts of erroneous things, yet are never held in account for being wrong. Many of them are even being used of Satan to help "shipwreck people's faith". True prophets of today realize the sobering standards God held the Old Testament prophets to, and thus anyone functioning in the church today as a true prophet would rather the TITLE be omitted from them.
NormRasmussen2 2 years ago
. We can only help those who humble themselves and except God's love and truly seek the truth. Love One another, I can't believe this is so hard for so many people to do. Instead they attack what other people believe and how sad it will be on Judgment day, when they have to answer to God for all the persecution of those who truly Love God . Love one another. I say these things in the name of Jesus Christ Amen. Much Love
tim4962 2 years ago
Amen let everyone be free from the oppression of Christian cults!
GodKillerAtheist 2 years ago 3
Praise Jesus for your salvation!! May the Lord continue to strengthen your faith and use your message to destroy satan's work.
cheese111272 2 years ago 5
THANK YOU. Im so glad someone stands up against all this imbesil and ignorant behavioure on the you tube.Thank you,thank you,thank you.Please dont stop telling of liers and other "anti" & hater ppl. Also...please excuse my poor english skills,im from Norway and dont know any better,hehe.^^
3qk 2 years ago
I understand what she's talking about. I USED TO BE MORMON, dum-dum, armaggeddonflame.
The Mormons have persistantly changed their beliefs in order to continue to be accepted by society.
Their beliefs 50 yrs ago ARE NOT the same beliefs they have now.
Mormons are probably in alot more trouble than I previously thought. Satan himself told Eve she could become like God if she ate the fruit. Now the Mormons are telling people the same thing.
videomission 2 years ago 2