Restraint and Seclusion

[misspinkpunkykat]

Since when did hospitals become prisons?

[makaldasa]

@misspinkpunkykat

do you want delirious patients running around pulling their IVs out and falling down the stairs? You're sick

[MultiDocdoom]

The reason why they use in psychiatry is for imminent danger prevetnion, if I was about to try and kill myself, they have all rights to stop me even if it means that. And the only way they use them in treatments is to stop patients from disrupting potentially LIFE SAVING treatment. They only use these for protection, NEVER as anything ELSE!

[picklesmcsquishy]

Restrain and Seclusion!!

*que happy music*

[hdrunaway]

It is much easier to cope with the pain of a legitimate surgery because it is for a just cause. Tying someone down against their will is emotionally devastating and serves no purpose. If the patient complains about it later they are completely invalidated because everyone will assume it was for their own good. Doctors are not Gods. People should have a right to decide what happens to their own bodies.

[hdrunaway]

This is horrible!! Don't stand for this!!! File complaints. As long as no one says anything this will continue to go on!!!

[TaZWhite]

These are ONLY used if someone is attempting to harm others or themself!

[clearesmiles]

Fuck you horrid people! you people are horrid!

[addamrocks2006]

I remembered this when I was a kid and man I was angry. My doctor I have now found this it and this is fucking stupid. They do that shit to me again I get more angry.

[justcausecrazy]

td love to be strapped to a bed but not like that and be abuse



[CaptainLinkx]

you feel bad that it has to be done but a lot of times, it's for our safety/the safety of other patients and people....restraints are ...necessary i think, but probly definitely not fun.

[alanvalentinus]

I can see that this scares many people. Unfortunately it is a reality and a necessity to keep people safe. And it is like surgery it helps but damage is done in the process. one day either we will develop a way to force some one to stop being violent ( I doubt it) or we will gain such wisdom and such grace that we will not aim to harm another or our selves even while in a delusional state. I dream of such love. Blessings to you all Namaste.

[PinkPunkyKat]

When did hospitals become jails?

[alanvalentinus]

@PinkPunkyKat what are you supposed to do with a patent that you are supposed to treat but who is violent to people or to them selves??? what do YOU think is best to do?

[HOLDTHAPHONE]

What about personal freedom to act like you want to - just as long as you do not hurt others than yourself

[alanvalentinus]

@HOLDTHAPHONE what in this vid indicates that they are restraining some one who isnt a danger to them selves or others?

[HOLDTHAPHONE]

@alanvalentinus Why protect people from themselfs?? If people is hurting themself it is not a crime! This is very sad! The personal freedom is loosing ground because of nanny-states

[lilpupdude]

fuck this

[alanvalentinus]

@lilpupdude dont judge untill you have been there

[opielicker96]

What the hell.

[alanvalentinus]

@opielicker96 It may be suprising but something has to be done when you are forced to treat a violent patient. the struggeling man in this vid is hardly an acurate example

[busterbone]

well, I guess was tripping on an overdose of Rx drugs and alcohol (suicide attempt) so I don't know/remember what happened the first 2 days in the hospital until I sobered up and came back to reality. I undrstand now that sometimes they need to make sure you don't hurt yourself or someone else (accidentally) more by getting up.

[Connect4Tomorrow]

Once again, the horror of this video and the related comments just emphasises something that I feel very strongly about. Please, visit my channel and specifically the video 'silence of suicide'. Rate, comment, have your say. x

[alanvalentinus]

@Connect4Tomorrow this vid is only Horrific if you are ignorant to the reality of working with violent patients.

[busterbone]

It's awful to have restraints in the hospital.

They just did that to me because I tried to get out of bed and walk against their wishes. My wrists, ankles bound and a harness to strap me down! The more I pulled, the tighter they made them. They also did not let me eat or drink anything by mouth for 3 days in ICU-only tubes in and out. It was really terrifying and cruel -it really sucked. Finally they let me move to a normal unsecluded room with less restrictions, but constant supervision.

[Anodoria]

@busterbone Did they seriously do that to you or did you make it up?

[busterbone]

It's all true and very recently too-last week.

I was very disoriented, confused and agitated with the frustrating situation though-leading to my feeling tired of shame, discouragment and loss with reality and nromal calm, self-control.

[alanvalentinus]

@busterbone I dont know what happened to you, but that sounds like a horrible way to feel. Restraint is some times a necessity, but it is like surgery the patient is still hurt. Im sorry. <3

[alanvalentinus]

@Anodoria unfortunately we live in a violent enough world that this is not made up. I dont like that people are violent enough to require restraint but it is a reality. use this as a wake up call to help quell the anger and hatred in your own heart and the hearts of others. love to you Namaste.

[MeIsArtTickYouLet]

@busterbone the full story is that you made the choices that landed you in that position

[alanvalentinus]

@MeIsArtTickYouLet not always. some times these people are so Mentally ill they dont know what they are doing.

[foxymike78]

Absolutely horrific,, as mentioned restraint (in the use as shown in this video) is illegal here in the uk and is absolutely neccesary in the care needed for anyone experienced within the climate of care..

[alanvalentinus]

@foxymike78 this is hardly an accurate depiction of a situation requiring a restraint.

[KatieeLouisee14]

came across this video

whats the women got in her mouth???

[alanvalentinus]

@KatieeLouisee14 some kind of breathing tube.

[poosaypirate]

yes they even did this to my mother while she was on her death bed because she attempted to remove her Respiration apparatus- she had been so ill she probably was not even aware of the fact that she actually did this and it was probably irritating her - something one would do automatically in such a circumstance.- in **THIS** it was really no big deal and rather necessary at the time - i can easily imagine other situations where staff could abuse their power and the situation.

[alanvalentinus]

@poosaypirate it is very difficult to abuse this power. in fact it is in fact difficult to use it when it is needed. have no fears, no one but hospital staff are getting hurt.

[poosaypirate]

@alanvalentinus what the hell

lol

[heavenlycharm86]

i'd kill a doctor if they tried that shit on me lol seriously i fuckin would man shit..thats fucked up yo homie dont play dat shit

[MeIsArtTickYouLet]

they would probably just use that as an excuse to keep you strapped down 24/7 and get off on the power

[alanvalentinus]

@MeIsArtTickYouLet wrong wrong wrong it is not done. Safety is the issue not power. no one is kept in restraint for that long, and in fact you almost have to have a patient give you a black eye before restraints will be applied. dont be fooled this is something done to end violence.

[alanvalentinus]

@heavenlycharm86 and we would put you in restraints. and hopefully send you to Jail for attempted murder. this is no JOKE these are peoples LIVES we are talking about jerk

[alanvalentinus]

@heavenlycharm86 HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[lauren22457]

if u wer 1 of those patients u wouldt let a docter or nurse tie u down so calmly!

[alanvalentinus]

@lauren22457 most people dont, when you are in the state of mind that these people are in you just about Can't.

[ColonelFleet]

I was in the hospital for SI.......when i cut myself, on several occasions and several hospitals i was never restrained...they just drugged me up so i was out like a light..........

[Palfium66]

Used to be known as "the liquid cosh" in British prisons...one jab & your skull is filled with wet cement.

Largactyl nightmare

[poosaypirate]

this is an injection ? is it still in use ?

[alanvalentinus]

@poosaypirate no it is not an injection it is a physical restraint of the violent patient's limbs.

[alanvalentinus]

@Palfium66 what the hell are you talking about?

[Onion15505]

Yea, nurses usually use restraints as a last resort because theres a lot of documenting that's involved when using them.

[lolly16]

In the UK we don't use restraint period..it is against the law even if patients are psychotic trying to kill themselves etc

[JacobP81]

How the heck do you control them w/o restraints? Do you drug them so there unconscious? I mean if some one is acting violent you need some sort of restraint to stop them from destroying things and hurting people.

[lolly16]

get beat up i guess... altho boxing glove type restrainst r being trials at the moment to stop patients from pulling out venflons, tracheyostomys etc

[alanvalentinus]

@JacobP81 here here, though some times medication is a better alternative than restraints, but not always.

[alanvalentinus]

@lolly16 so you just let them die or let them assault other people? do you actually work in a hospital, or a Mental Hospital?

[alanvalentinus]

@Onion15505 it is definately used as a last resort, some times later than it needs to be.

[alanvalentinus]

@ColonelFleet would you rather be restrained? or was medication a better alternative for you?

[airraideagle]

That fucking CUNT in the video makes me angry.

I hope she has a mental breakdown and gets locked up in nasty awful mental ward!

[alanvalentinus]

@airraideagle wich woman are you speaking of? it is important to be specific when you are hurling random incoherent insults and curses.

[chicagovid]

thats no how they did it 2 me at the mental hospital

[poosaypirate]

?

and ?

what did they do !

[alanvalentinus]

@poosaypirate this hardly gives an acurate portrail of the situation. people who are violent or suicidal are first given medication to help them feel calmer and if innefective restrained for a short period of time untill they can regain controll, TRUST me its NOT the dark ages. infact things have become so liberal that NOW hosptial workers are getting hurt.

[poosaypirate]

@alanvalentinus right and mickey mouse is the president of the moon ( which is made of cheese)

did you say " liberal" - as an antithesis of violence or abuse of power as among hospital workers? yes, you did, that is VERY telling about yourself aint it kid

yes, it is

[udidwht]

@alanvalentinus

Incorrect. I work in a hospital as a police officer and if a patient is in an agitated combative state they are restrained first then meds are given. Reason: The meds can take several minutes before they become effective. Time is everything.

[alanvalentinus]

@chicagovid were you violent? how did you feel about all of this? I wish there were a way to just wave a wand over peoples head and make them not violent. No sarcasm I really really do. :)

[StlyDutch]

Lol when my grandma was in a hospital she pulled the needles (because ''they were annoying'') out of her arm and went for a walk (because ''it was boring'') lol

[N3wZ3aLandP0w3R]

I would've knock out that stupid nurse if she tried to tie me

[Raffzeee]

It's counter productive.

[alanvalentinus]

@Raffzeee letting people Hurt others is counter productive.

[alanvalentinus]

@N3wZ3aLandP0w3R but dont you see you wouldent be placed in restraint. normal sensable people arent placed in restraint. only Violent people trying to hurt others. Tough if you did attack a nurse....get ready to go in restraints......then Jail

[jtssteph]

Yep...that's how they restrain a person...calmly and effectively. NOT! Try having people rolled up in gymnastic mats and sat down on by 5 grown men. It's much closer to the truth. If people knew the things that people go through in there, their mouths would hang open from shock. I've visited friends in several different hospitals, and you wouldn't believe the stories you here. It's scary.

[alanvalentinus]

@jtssteph thank you. I am one of the kindest and most tolerant people in my hospital, and I have had patients try to kill me more than once, and attack me more times than I could ever hope to count. many days I fear for my safety.

[vane7794]

since when hospitals are jails?

[Palfium66]

When someone is completely psychotic and will attempt to slash their own throats or veins, gouge out their eyes, or attack doctors and nurses, that's when restraints are used.

The purpose is not to imprison someone, as you see they are made of velcro & fabric, not chains and locks, but rather to prevent a violent and disorientated patient from harming either themselves or others.

What would you do if a violent schizophrenic needs hospitalization but attacked the doctor?

[TKDrocks15]

but often by sleep deprivd angry staff this measure is used inappropriatly to show power and so that the staff member doesn't have to deal with the pationt

[poosaypirate]

@TKDrocks15 thats where the problem lies same with the law - eg the use of a taser or any legal imlementation

[alanvalentinus]

@poosaypirate what do you recommend to be done with Violent individuals?

[alanvalentinus]

@TKDrocks15 in some institutions you may be correct and that is wrong, how ever in 90+ % it is done to keep others and the patient safe until they can regain control.

[alanvalentinus]

@Palfium66 here here, not to mention the fact that the patient is placed on constant observation and re assessed for release every 15 minutes.

[ColonelFleet]

@vane7794 since the AMA does not care.......and turns a blind eye.......

[cantfeelbetter17]

@vane7794 really ahh!

[ihassugar]

the old guy was placed in restraints because if he got out of bed he would get hurt.

the girl was because she trying to removed a breathing tube and if she did she would die

[alanvalentinus]

@ihassugar restraint is only used to keep people safe,,,,,,no other reason......thank you :)

[office27]

It is now required to have a doctor's order to use a restraint or as our instructor so nicely calls them, SDR's (Safety Reminder Devices) and yes many times they are used to keep patients from either pulling out their IV's or their trachs. They also have to be monitored and released as soon as they can be it is not as though they are tied down and forgotten.

[alanvalentinus]

@office27 all of this has been required for many many years

[gsaid88]

why do patients have to be restrained strapped?

[RevDogg]

Patients sometimes need to be physically restrained IF they are unable to gain control of themselves AND they are creating an imminent threat of immediate physical danger to themselves or others. This is used ONLY as a LAST resort and the restraints are removed as soon as the patient regains control and is no longer dangerous.

[alanvalentinus]

@RevDogg some times this and similar methods are used way too late.

[RevDogg]

I should have also mentioned that I was speaking of restraint usage in a psychiatric facility. In the video however, it appears that they are applying them in one case (the female) to keep the patient from removing/disconnecting their respiratory apparatus, and in another case (the male) to keep the patient from getting out of bed perhaps because he is a 'fall risk' due to maybe age or physical impairment, or is unstable due to medications.

[alanvalentinus]

@gsaid88 because they are doing things that could hurt other people or hurt them selves. if some one is siverely agitated sleep deprived distressed or mentally ill they could endanger them selves or other people.