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  • evil is just an incomplete perception

  • So God separated us. Blaming it's God's fault. 

  • @GodIsSovereignty It isn't that G-d seperated us. If we never had the will to recieve then we would be eternally seperated from G-d

  • @Ibuymyowntshirts It's not God who separated us? According to the Scripture, Adam disobeyed God's Commandment; we decided to go our own way.

  • @GodIsSovereignty According to the Zohar, Who kicked Whom out of the Garden of Eden? was it Not Adam that kicked him out? and as you stated "...Adam disobeyed God's Commandment, we decided to go our own way." there you go, it wasn't God who seperated us, it is us that seperated ourselves from G-d

  • @Ibuymyowntshirts According to the Bible, Genesis 3:22-24 says, "Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might stretch out his hand, and take also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever”— therefore the LORD God sent him out from the garden of Eden, to cultivate the ground from which he was taken. So He drove the man out."

    Your Zohar is wrong!

  • @Ibuymyowntshirts So you must understand Adam's free will--He decided to become like god, redefining good and evil. God punished them by sending them to toil the soil; they did not kicked God out from Eden.

  • @GodIsSovereignty Just because, it isn't in your bible, or in the scriptures a gentile like you has never read, does not mean it isn't true. As you did say "...one of us, knowing good and evil..." He did not say One of us Creating life and Controlling all that surrounds him... Man became Like G-d Knowing Good and Evil, just to those extents that is all. You cannot go around saying that a person's beliefs are incorrect. same way I don't go around saying your's are incorrect.

  • As well as you did say that Adam does have free will and he chose to eat of that forbidden fruit, he chose to leave G-d. Therefore It is not G-d's fault that Adam and Eve were kicked out because of their own actions. If you will continue arguing for the sake or arguing, take some time to sit down, and question everything you have ever known or read. Just because you doubt your faith, does not mean you should go around bringing others' down.

  • @Ibuymyowntshirts What? Are you confuse? I made a comment to this video regarding the statement made by this old man, Kabbalist, who claimed that God separated us. I said it's not God. So what is your point?

  • man when it comes to good and evil all you people think abojut is god, athiests and believers. why cant we just go by what feels right and what feels wrong?

    science says that if a certain part of your brain(forgot what it was called) is smaller than normal, your judgement in what is right and wrong is significantly decreased, so i guess its a genetic defect to be evil.

  • @ThePlatoon4 its the ability to empathise and lack of it is indeed related to a damaged limbic system which is part of the R-complex the oldest structure in the brain. For me God and spirits exist and its the default position of humanity to experience the reality in which these spirits abound. Atheist have brains that do not work part of their brain is switched off thus they believe only the material world is real. I think this is being done deliberately by TPTB.

  • @yigitkucuk88 i was just interested in the good and evil ideas :3

  • Really great video, thank you so much for the upload.

  • "good" and "bad are relative terms, we live in the world of relativity, God is the creator, he created everything both "good" and evil" and he/she does not wish to change any of it. In the realm of the absolute, there IS no good and evil, only OPINIONS that define something as good or bad. We were made in the image of God, we define our own reality. Use your own mind if you want to judge, but at the end of the road you will figure out there is only 1 thing to do, and that is to accept.

  • I love this guy, as a Christian i KNOW the Jews know what they are doing. The bible is built on 2 verses alone. Acts 16:30-31. Thats ALL you need. the rest is gravy. Paul wrote of the 4th dimension of love in Ephesians 3:18, and Christ spoke of being closer to God by admitting how much of a sinner you are in Luke 18:9-14.

    I'm just starting to get into this Kabbalah/Zohar stuff, because the bible led me too it.

  • @kedmonton I was raised Christian as well, but when I found Kabbalah, I felt I was home. Everything I have read in Kabbalah is what Christ taught. Even before finding Kabbalah, I believed the Jews, Muslims and Christians worshipped the same God, now I'm learning why and how.

  • @Busmonks So what do you found in Kabbalah that was the same teachings Christ taught?

  • @GodIsSovereignty If you are familiar with Christ's teachings, not the church's, you will know Kabbalah. If you really look into the teachings of all world religions, you will know Kabbalah. If you realize everything you think, say and do affects everything around you, you will know Kabbalah. If you realize everything in your life, good or bad, is meant to help you grow and learn, you will know Kabbalah. Kabbalah is a way of living and thinking. Kabbalah is love. Christ taught us to love.

  • @Busmonks actually Jesus was a Kabbalist

  • in all seriousness... to combine both natures -- good and bad -- does that mean, if we live a life according to our given faith, and if we are to understand that "mans innerness" harbors naturally - evil - then are we suppose to purposely insert some form of what we would personally consider "evil" if we consciously try to live a life free of self-willed evil?

  • Imagine this picture: in a positive force-field there is negative bubble, and we are immersed in the negative bubble thinking, feeling that it is "us". In truth both the positive and the negative comes from the Creator, our job is that through the practical method of Kabbalah, we draw the positive force from outside, we rise to the surface of the negative bubble staying in between the 2 forces using the positive as magnet, building ourselves independently in the middle.

    I hope this helps.

    zsolt

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  • I understand what this man is saying....however....if stupid evil people try to harm me....I will meet them with the same brutality that they show me....it's the only thing they understand.....some people need to have wisdom beaten into their thick egoistic skulls.......

  • I am a snake

  • @emerson24 Jake the snake roberts?. I am Rick Rude :D ....cut the music.....

  • It's really hard to listen to this when it's translated. It makes it dull. I don't believe in morally right or worng amongst people, instead I beleiev in fortunate and unfortunate situations involving people. I wouldn't call a serial murderer rapist an unethical person, I would call him/her a sad and unfortuante situation.

  • the study of kaballah is a great thing, but his interpretation of being a good person as not being enough is a bit confusing.

  • @Awengate Even when we are good to others, is this really being genuinely good or is it still because it makes *us* feel better? Do we feel a pleasure from being good because we have been trained to be good and so by giving someone a dollar, we secretly re-experience a feeling of how parents talked well of us when we did good things (ego feels I'm a good person so better than someone)? What about people who do good things really so they appear *good* in others eyes - that's still ego-driven.

  • the biggest mis conception in todays religions,

    is a belief in good and evil rather then seeing it un-balanced and balanced,

    if the had steals they would have you chop it off to rid the evil,

    but to view it as un-balanced you can't just quickly condemn and start a war,

    but you could heal and teach how stealing from one anther is just

    hurting yourself given we are all connected,

    most religions are blind to us being all one being because

    their pride.

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  • @ARIflims

    I would like clarification on Rav Michael Laitman answer regarding a good person not being able to ascend without Kabbalah. There are multiple mystical disciples that are much the same as Kabbalah. Hermeticism, Yoga, christian gnosticism and even indigenous traditions. I feel the higher world and this comes from seeking ernestly. I am by no means perfect and have a long way to go. I just think there are multiple paths.

  • @TheWillwillwill I don`t agree when he said one needs Kabbalah specifically. It appears to me that Kabbalah has similar ideas to many esoteric systems. The similarities to the Chakras is apparent and then in another very different system, to Alchemy. Even Greek Mythology has some myths I feel are talking about similar ideas (eg.Prometheus freed by Hercules in his 11th Labour while seeking the blissful Apples of Hesperides guarded by serpent Ladon). All different fingers pointing at the Moon.

  • part 2 ... so even within the details of the Earth-centred model of the cosmos, you had a specific arrangement of the 5 known planets (to the ancients) and 2 luminaries. This arrangement itself is symbolic of an experienced ascension journey (like Mohammed`s) joining Earth and Heavens (or sky) and the characteristics attributed to the gods and goddess of these objects are symbols of the levels inside you. Its hard to find specifics about this though -Kabbalah or Yoga have more info available.

  • @zetetic0void Interesting take.. I don't understand what you mean about the moon. I think in Hermeticism the moon is the mother. In our current age, the male/sun/yin is dominant. I guess the apples of Hespertides are the fruit of knowledgethe 11th hour is the end of the age or end of the 12000 lunar year cycle that equates to 13000 year 360 day solar years..

  • @TheWillwillwill Do you mean this "All different fingers pointing at the Moon"? - it's a Zen saying. The teachings are the finger which points towards the Moon, the understanding, but many religious people (strict literalists who see all other religions and mythologies as wrong and false) fall into the trap of seeing the 'finger' or their particular religion as *The* actual 'Moon', or "The only and literal Truth". Religions fight material idols but often religions become the idol themselves.

  • @zetetic0void Yes, it surprised me to see his answers at 8.00......What you said is very similar to doing physics and using different symbols, instead of X use sigma, instead of Y use rho....That does not change a thing!. This dude seems to fail understanding his own tradition ;(

  • Okay why does a benevolent force cause suffering. wait how is causing suffering equal to benevolence.

  • Im not giving an authorized khabalistic answer, but i think that as individuals we dont know what is benevolent in a wide perspective, trascending individuals and time e.g. an aparent suffering now can bring great joy and benevolence in the future. The key is to identify the true source of the joy and benevolence and acquire equivalence of form with it.

  • The Native American Indians believed in the Creator, the Great Spirit. They were given the understanding of humility, harmony and love and for people to respect all of mankind. Unfortunately the Europeans were unable to adopt this peaceful understanding but decided to create a new world order through war and conquest, we now have to find our way for peace amongst ourselves through harmony as death is ultimate. I believe we reap what we sow and repentance is where the world is heading.

  • @yoursrespectfully Very well said.

    I am new to this part of the world and I am trying to understand more about natives. The have a very pure and natural understanding of life.

  • I had this same knowledge given to me while I was experimenting with San pedro cactus. I saw how blind men who spend their lives chasing after more and more money are. And how we were trained at birth to want that... We all need to reprogram our conditioned minds.

  • @yoursrespectfully I just appreciated what you said - for some reason it lifted my spirit- I don't feel alone.

  • @yoursrespectfully pffft whatever, you think indians never fought eachother, you think african tribes never had wars...the Mayans and incans would conquer lesser villages and take prisoners to sacrifice but you look at the Europeans with such objectiveness just because their a bigger tribe.

  • @yoursrespectfully the natives believed in a creator but at the same time were engaging in intertribal warfare,the force you call creator,god,allah...whatever, has nothing to do with our own actions

  • ...plus, following his own logic even accepting and following kabbalah happens thru the lowly instinct of self-preservation and need to save one's soul in the afterlife under the wings of the creator. So it all comes down to some sort of a "contract" between the creator and oneself: "i will follow your directives in return for a lift to... heaven?!..." BINGO So I turn to kabbalah not thru the attraction of the divine essence within me towards the larger divine, but simply out of fear?!... hmmm

  • You dont need to accept follow His directives, you are following them already even if you are aware of it or not, Your perception of Him is what changes, all changes happen within you not in the upper force. All you need is a true desire for correction in your ego to acquire equvalence of form with the creator, you can make it trough khabalah.

  • a week-old child that dies of hunger has not developed the faculties to appreciate good That child will be entitled to this experience in the next life. It should always be remembered that knowing Christ and being trained up by going through Gods school of hard knocks is definitely a criteria for Salvation for everyone.

  • God allows evil to exist so that we will appreciate goodness all the more, in the same way that the blind man healed by Jesus appreciated his sight more so than those around him who had never experienced blindness

  • BEING GOOD IS NO ENOUG

  • I have a problem with this also! Which is what the Rabbi referred to again and again though out the interview. I do so enjoy the questions from the Rabbi. Rabbi with questions creates the answer. Everytime I listen to this I get more and more the answer the Rabbi is giving.

  • I don't think there are good or bad people but good and bad actions and intentions. When we correct the perception of reality during our existence we come closer to the Creator, and then we are perceive as better human beings.

  • Think about this. If the creator is all present, all knowing, and all powerfull, then, everything is the creator!!! every action is control by thoughts. The creator is doing all the thinking, therefore, it is the creator who is doing all the actions. Everything that the creator knows is the knowledge of it's self, because it is the only thing that exsist. Whatever part you play doesn't nagate the fact that your part is just as much of the creator as all the other act in life. You are ITSELF!

  • Ah, but like the fragments of the mind when you sleep and dream, that take the form of others, not all of who are good, so too do the creations in the mind of the creator.

  • I enjoyed the beginning.But the answer to the question at 3:00 doesn't make sense Michael Laitman.

  • @livelovebeful

    I agree completely. It all sounds great until the question of innate goodness is reached. This is the pivotal point of all the judaic religions - the humans are disgusting, lowly beasts that have to bow and admit their original sin. That in turns creates the sense of guilt. But the contradiction in his preachings lie in his own admission that we humans have descended from higher levels. Originally we are thus of the same nature as our creator. That is the divine spark.

  • In the question "Can one be a lovely human being without having studied Kabbalah?", Dr Laitman's answer leaves me with more questions and challenges to his perspective of Kabbalah than the content of his answer.

    I do not believe he answers this question. To put it differently: If someone was born without access to Kabbalah (or any other cosmotheory), does this automatically preclude them from eventually leading a happy and fulfilling spiritual life through their own or another spiritual path?

  • There is no exact "good" in my perspective.

    Most of the time "good" seems to be the result of giving in to someone's whim. Such as "this girl is good because she eats her vegetables or this boy is good because he listens to his parents".

    Good is only good because people want or expect it to be, but there really is no true good, at least to me.

  • God, Creator, Source, Life Force - different words for the same thing.

  • I'll 100% vouch for kabbalah not being 'evil', not even in the slightest. I've read a few books and study material on the subject and it's about coming together and becoming peaceful with one another more than anything.

    It's about LOVING EACHOTHER! Michael Laitman is one of the head members of World Wisdom Council, with the Dali Lama. Unless you think the nobel peace prize winning Dali Lama is evil too.

    Get real and stop being haters. That is the first rule of Kabbalah 101.

  • "living for the desires of this materialistic world"

    you obviously know nothing about Kabbalah.

    The upperforce is a clear reference to god! Worship him/her and love one another. It's about being generous and kind, not evil, just different and unknown to many. Don't attack something just because it's different.

    Google: Salem Witch trials

  • "Luciferian by nature"???

    The biggest point is is rid yourself of greed and the bad parts of the ego, to connect together with each other. I've never heard anything Luciferian come out of Kabbalah. There is no need to argue since you are very misinformed.

    There is no devil or hell in Kabbalah.

  • We need GOD that is why made it for us to pray to him and worship him and LOVE him....and let us be guided by him

  • I believe one cannot seek spiritual teachings unless they see how fruitless pursuits of the body are.

  • i'm impresed that still many peoples consider the "Creator" as something outside of themselves.

  • Brilliant. Makes perfect sense to me.

  • sure it makes sense or logic in our "current" realm of thought, but have you researched of what the kabbalah is refering to as the "upper light"....???

    ONE name it goes by is "son of the morning star".... the pursuit of knowledge is a great EGO boost, but you tend to develop "tunnel vision" & the most Evil thing can sound Enlightening & becoming 'illumined' is a trade-off with your Soul... then again, what do i know..???

  • The upper-force is the creator. The idea is that all forces on earth are really branches or parts of the magic of the upper force. The "one".

    The idea is to boost the Ego, but not feed it. It's about finding the middle and developing a sixth sense to sense the spiritual. It's interesting to say the least and it's key elements are very positive and not evil.

    The ego is neither bad nor good.

  • It's how you use your ego. Intention is good or bad.

  • hmmm intresting i believe in the bible but im open minded

  • I don't think this force is benevolent because in nature symmetry is the rule.

  • hmm, can you smell with your eyes? what I am saying is, we are limited to our senses, spiritual teachings, not only Kabbalah, are trying to develop the higher senses.

    Theres also many glands in the brain, that are dorment, inactive. because we don't use them. Science even says this, how the brain works, use it or loose it, the body doesnt wastse energy, so it wont keep active whats kept inactive.

  • What I mean by symmetry is that I think this force needs darkness to come to light, darkness is always the guardian of light...when our reptilian brain generates dopamine it may either induce procreation but it may also induce fear of death to preserve you...will to live and fear of death are both united in nature...

  • when you insult the kabbalah, you insult a persons relgion. please be a bit more sensitive.

  • I disagree. Kabbalah has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with religion. It's a scientific movement, not religious. You can inslut Kabbalah as much you want just like you can deny the fact that Earth is rounded.

  • "h of another 4 How, do life, love reach good"

  • there's probably no god so stop worrying and enjoy life

  • 2nd part of comment...But the souls of this lower plane cannot get anywhere near god not through books or meditation or whatever because the creator is to pure so progression towards the souls ultimate goal of love and pure harmony can only be reached after death which is our first great lesson.

  • 1st part of comment Kabbalah trys to catch people with its mysterious books and the need in some people to think they can some how reach to god or the creator in this life through its techings. I would say this is the bottom learning world and when you die you progress to higher worlds untill you eventually reach god and become one .

  • Please explain your definition of good and evil. Is electricity good or evil? Are banks good or evil? Is overpopulation good or evil? Is war good or evil? Are your ambitions good or evil? Is the United States good or evil? Is your dentist good or evil?

  • Kabbalah is NOT a religion, or a CULT but if it is not for you, go somewhere else, it is a practical study. And you have to have the right Q in your heart to hear the answer! Our ego is growing=global crises. David Bohm talked about this 20 years ago. We are all one, about time we understand this

  • Seen all their vids and was really thinking of taking their course until I saw this one. Any system of belief which is sold as the only path to salvation fails like all those before it. Nobody can progress without Kaballah? What about the Buddha? Are there no human beings in history who have expanded their consciousness without Kaballah? Nonsense. And a great shame because the material is of great value. I'd say learn about it for the rich source it is but tread carefully and have no illusions.

  • What did he say?

  • Evil is a word to describe seperation from god. Its like darkness and cold. Cold is a word to describe the absense of heat. Heat exists cold does not. darkness can only be measured. by the amount of light that penetrates it. Light we can measure. darkness we can not. So darkness only exists as illusion. Muck like evil. This man speaks the truth. Only an inexperienced soul will disagree with kabballa. Its truth is self evident. When put into practice. If you do not. You can critisize no one.

  • the task is to differentiate between the unison of both, then chose one or the other. you are the divine creator.

  • the creator of the physical realm is one sick motherfucker. you need to transcend your god dude.

  • Thinking that we can be good without any external force is an expresion of the ego. The good is you, goodness is a force, it's everywere. Saying you are good by yourself is a false perception. Loveley people, can be lovely in a mecanical way, but not necesary aware the good they are or do, ther for, there is no intention, wich is important to consolidate an act.

  • He makes some good points...........

  • Did I hear that right? So, if Kabbalah teaches that G*d created evil, then He is the cause of suffering in the earth. Instead, as I believe, we should not think of evil as being created by G*d, but as a perversion by men and angels of the "me'owd" (good) that He has made.

  • Humanity needs to move forward!

    Humanity needs to move forward physically, emotionally, and mentally, and no longer be stuck in the muck of ancient mythologies of wishful thinking and grandiose delusions.

  • Why would God even want people around him?

  • Yeah! Why would god want for anything? Good Question!

  • Can you determine the origin of the thoughts within your own mind? If God spoke, would everyone hear him? At what distance would you need to be from God to hear him? Do you know God's voice as opposed to a human teacher's words? Does God routinely speak to anyone around the world? Does He talk to you? What could cause a person to not hear God's voice? If God were to write a letter to us, how would he send it?

  • you're asking some very good questions, questions that each one of us has to answer for our self.

    to answer the prerequisite, to me, would be to learn first to be present so that one then can learn to listen.

  • I ask these for YOU to find out. I searched, I asked, and I found! It is worth the search! Here's a tip: Close your eyes and ask God Himself!

  • People change behaviour. God changes desires.

  • i'm interesting in Kabbalah and i love what does Michael Laitman say, i feel the truth behind all these words.

  • ok im gonna put my understandin of it.....its similar but much more specific...

    the creator is god, god is the only thing that is pure and right(or good) like rav says the only way to correct our person and the corruption in our being is to let gods love and life work within us and our hearts...

    love is available in this world but its conditional to a societal standard...society is built on corruption and lies...911..new world order...illuminati etc..

  • That is wonderful to listen to and to hear! I feel the Truth,the Light of Wisdom when Rav explains everything! I can feel that he speaks as a man who is sure of what he says because he has tasted "the Goodness of the Lord"! He is very spiritual! I feel so uplifted! And I feel such a joy! Let all pay attention carefully! Rav Michael Laitman is doing a Great Work for Humanity! Blessed are those that can discern the Truth and Wisdom of what he says and follow it!

  • This guy is mixing science (including psychology) and spirituality but we can all see where this is going right?

    We learn something in science (Genes, Quantum Theory) and then someone finds a way to accomodate it into religion and spirituality. This could go on indefinately till almost all is science and that which is left will be God. There will always be something we don't know and may never know (we are just clever animals afterall :)

  • Yeah but how can we even begin to really distinguish between good & Bad how do we as humans know what is good and what is bad*

    Im really confused now*

  • good and bad only exists in the physical world not in "Gods" world. They are man made labels as are all forms of language. Being pointers to something, never the thing itself

  • Interesting ideas, but this doesn't answer all my questions.

  • I beileve theres a higher force or some sort of mystic beings but he is wrong when he says we cant do good on our own, we can as long as our heart is set on doing good.

  • Excuse me; it's time to learn and recognize what is true and what is fake, leave the fight for wild animals of the jungle. This is about learning no just who is right or who is wrong.

  • Very well said; A good way for all religions to think.

  • i do agree with most of what he had to say but the other guy did have a point...it is true we need G-Ds power to bring us up into the higher light but we have to make the choice. the upper light might lead us to the door but we have the choice to open it.

  • great video!

  • aren't laws created by man to put limits on himself? i'm confused

  • not all laws. the law of gravity, for example, is pretty hard to break.

  • There are things much beyond comprehension, so, believing is a choice don't you think?

  • There things much beyond the comprehension, so, believing is a choice don't you think?

  • Why would god create a world and people so that they may betray and, if they cant find their way, die in slow suffering and misery? I respect all religions but they dont make any sense to me. All truths, including the scientific, are subjective beliefs and they are all exclusive when all is said and done.

  • I beleive theres many ways to study it, buddhistism, gnostic, etc.

  • I was really hoping to get a response to my previous question. I left to assume that Kabbalah is totally contradictory to the Torah.

  • I believe EVERYTHING this guy says EXCEPT about the part that one cannot be lifted without knowing about Kabbalah because I have recieved these senses and intuitions this man speaks of but I have not researched Kabbalah until recently. Don't get me wrong Kabbalah is really cool but its not the ONLY way to get back to Godhead (or higher dimensions of consciousness, conscious eternity, etc.) but I will definitely keep on learning about Kabbalah. Thank you very much.

    God bless!!

  • kabbalah is a framework (fabricated or not) into which all experience can be beautifully folded. people may take that idea too far, where kabbalah is astrology, etc, but drawing "light" is drawing oneness (tiferet,) hopefully even of view.

    this spiel on the "evil human heart" seems to miss that, leaning overly into gevurah/din and adding to "egoistic" divide while noting the problems of doing so. the heart is *never* evil, so long as it's balanced with wisdom, kindness, and principle.

  • thats right my friend...

  • it has to be fabricated if not it wouldnt exist...if you talking about whats real or not we dont know, thats why there has been kabbalah for thousands of years to know the unknown

  • How is this evil? Don't make blanket statements and then not back it up. That is evil my friend

  • Wonderfully expressed and translated. Spread the truth brothers and sisters. we are all from one so let's stop hurting ourselves. Peace and Love p.s. Thanks for the videos

  • read the book "Kabbalah, technology for the soul" u will learn more than what u have heard here, why we have the dreams we have, y we feel certain ways when we see people .. and more very ineresting.. i am a catholic, but didnt really feel anything spiritually until i started reading about Kabbalah.

  • i have studiedkabbalah for a while now, and i understand exactly what he is talking about. i think there were times he didnt understand the question. poeple can be raised to b kind and lovely but its one ego that drives them away from what they were taught. to understand it u have to read on it. get the books .. :)

  • This is outstanding!

  • He contradicts himself at a few points. He is caught within his generalisations and his failure in his insular perspective. What of the gurus of other faiths who follow their own brand of gnosis? What of yogis and the Buddha, of sufis and of the gnostic Christ?

  • why does he contradict himself?What of them?

  • thank you, i can't blame g-d for my subjective focus.

    Later, from Ee.I will not back off when someone offends the creator purposely . krisstianity is a religion, I miss the creator. That's not faith, not an organization, it's reality. Do you not love your family ? It's that complicated...

  • i was very interested until he started to say "everything happens because of the creator"

  • he says in other talks that each soul is part of a universal soul and we can ascend to that perspective. In a dream if you say all these dream objects, events and people are created by one mind then you understand. At the causal plane of consciousness there is in reality one will creating phenomena. It has nothing to do with the "creator" notion in religions.

  • yes, hawaii and I think it`s VERY interesting and captivating too.:)

  • A point of contact...in sum this is what we need.

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