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  • who put her in office

  • THIS HAG is a ROTHSCHILD puppet TRILATERALIST (socialist COMMIE)

    All her Votes are for Rothschild fed res Illuminati NWO Trilaterals Bilderbergs

    Wall St Skulls&Bones Bushs Cheneys LOOK UP I.G. FARBEN bush owned a steel factory in Auschwitz jew slaves produced steel for HITLER Rockefeller gave HITLER all the OIL for WW2 KILLING 50MIL no oil no war RIGHT CARTELS financed both sides of the war for GREED FORD GM IBM GE Dupont

    KRUPS ETC hitler winston churchill ABE Lincoln were rothschilds

  • Those fuckers at the CIA need more oversight. IT is becoming fucking ridiculous with them and their constant lying to the American people. The pentagon as well. Look at how the pentagon "can't find the video" of the shootings of those unarmed Iraqis. They are so full of shit. They know damn well that they destroyed that tape. Why don't the media have fucking address this? BEcause they are a bunch of pussies.

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  • facelift pelosi is a lyin efn bitch. she knows it and so do we. can't stand the ugly bitch.

  • Misled hell..... as speaker of the house you shouldnt allow yourself to be mislead..... bold faced liar? have some situational awareness if you are going to be on a defense committee.......her backpeddling is sad, sounds like a gradeschooler winging it on homework day. and now she wants to use your grandkids money and fix your health care.

  • @ManganeseMan so someone finally gets it! thank you!

  • When's this bitch gonna apologize for these lies and accusing CIA of lying....?

    Jumped all over Joe for an apology and then piloted a bill against him in the congress....what a waste of time political posturing, how about getting some work done....

    And she still hasn't apologized...hypocritical....c­an't wait for San Fran to fall into the bay....I hope she's home when it happens....then the state will really be bankrupt...and dead too...lots of the gay will die in that one...

  • YOU LIE ! YOU LIE !

  • God I got to say, I hate Republicans with a passion but I really hate Democrats. When will people wake up and just start a revolution!?

  • Pelosi = C.H.U.D. (Cannibalistic Humanoid Underground Dweller)

  • Someone needs to waterboard this lying bitch with a bucket of elephant cum !

  • She lied right at the beginning she does not oppose

  • Someone needs to pull the plug out of her ass and let this air bag deflate.

    Just having to look at her is torture!

  • supremecourtofUSA you are an idiot ignorant excuse of an American

  • Hopefully some of that Botox will lead to cancer and she'll die soon.

  • she IS torture.

  • I am so TIRED of pelosi, I'm a demo but I wish i could vote her out

  • Water boarding terrorists saves lives. I don't get it. These guys are not a part of any army so they don't get the same treatment as a POW. She doesn't care about the terrorists safety, she just wants to get back at the republicans. What a stupid stupid waste of time and tax payer money. She doesn't deserve a dime of tax payer money, and she should be voted out for her stupidity on so many issues. But she is a Democrat so it's ok to be a complete idiot and have zero consequences for her action.

  • @decentdad what ive been saying all along and practically get crucified for it.

  • Can't Understand Normal Thinking!

  • if someone from the CIA briefed me and even uttered the words enhanced interrogation techniques i would be suspicion as fuck and would require a full sown dossier of all prodders planned which is what probably happened you lying prune faced bitch thanks for selling the morals of our nation up river with such ease

  • dont blame pelosi, its BUSH's FAULT

  • thats right its all the fault of one person i forgot that we live in a dictatorship and everyone else in washing are just a bunch of Christmas decorations or saints i swear republican , democrat , anarchist ,conservative , liberal , hippie , fascist it doesn't matter what the position you hold it still constantly amazes me how stupid people can be when leaving Ytube comments and the best part its recorded as a written conversation for all to see

  • A person who allows atrocities to occur has to bare some of the responsibility. Bush was a shitty president, no question about it, but if Pelosi's Congress was not so pathetic perhaps they could have lessened the destruction of Bush.

  • pelosi sucks too, if i was her, the minute i took office i would gather my buddies and REMOVE that sun of a ----- from the goverment along with chaney. then SHE will be the first women president!

  • You actually believe anything that Pelosi says EVEN AFTER SHE WAS CAUGHT LYING AND HER FELLOW DADS (Dumb ASS Democrats) WASTING TAXPAYERS MONEY ON AN INVESTIGATION INTO AN ASSASSINATION PROGRAM THAT WAS ONLY IN THE PLANNING STAGES?!!! HEY, I GUESS PELOSI AND THE OTHER DADS CAN TELL YOU THEY DEFECATE GOLD BRICKS EVERYDAY AND GIVE THEM TO YOU FOR NOTHING!!!!! STEP AWAY FROM THE BONG, CLEAN YOURSELF UP, AND FIND A CHURCH OR SYNAGOGUE TO JOIN!

  • This three toed hunchback mutant--Pelosi-- whose an interspecies of the sloth and big-tooth muskrat is absolutely right.

    How can Congress be expected to leak vital and sensitive imformation to the press.

    After all, Pelosi works for the enemy, not America

    "BITCH" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • I'm not Dem or Rep, but she was clearly caught lying.; she's been terrible for this country. Pay attention to issues, not the parties.

  • Dem or Rep, a liar is a liar. :-) Finally some sense. :-) Thank you kindly.

  • if all you can do is curse and youre going to continue to ignore facts i guess you cant be reasoned with.

  • This woman is nuts! What is she saying???

    Did someone lie to her OR NOT????

  • This "Wacko Retard" scares the hell out of me!!!

  • The media has completely missed the point that it was not Pelosi who authorized torture. The issue of what Pelosi knew and when is simply an attempt to divert the medias attention from the certainty of what the Bush administration knew. Cheney was intimately involved in waterboarding to try to come up with some link between al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein after the US had already invaded Iraq. If Pelosi is a traitor then Dick and Bush should be held accountable as well.

  • shes lying that is all. the cia has NOTHING to gain from lying to members of congress. she would just rather risk being caught in a lie than be partially responsible for what was going on.

  • bobbyg640: CIA Director, Leon Panetta, has just come out and admitted that the CIA lied on several occasions to Congress.

    Looks like your take on the Pelosi situation is complete bullshit.

    No surprises there then, you asshole.

  • the program the cia supposedly lied about has nothing to do with waterboarding. pelosi's situation is totally different.

  • bobbyg640:

    BULLSHIT.

  • hahaha you wish that were true. You were wrong. If they admit to lying they are liars and nothign they say can be trusted.YOU REPUB ZOMBIE MORON WONT EVEN FIGHT THE REAL ENEMY BECAUSE YOUR LEGION OF OUT OF TOUCH MORONS TELLS YOU THEY ARE YOUR FRIENDS AND ARE LOOKING OUT FOR YOUR BEST INTEREST! LIE AFTER LIE AFTER LIE AND YOU REFUSE TO ACCEPT THE FACT THAT THEY ARE LIARS AND CRIMINALS. how can democracy work with the cia misleading congress?this has gotten out of control.

  • Yes she was breifed and yes she knew what they were doing.

    Its plan that the Dems are trying to outlaw opposing views.

    Because they are Facists/Communists.

    They will be exempt from their National Healthcare.

    After all this is the communist manefesto

    "One rule for the masses and the leaders are not obligated"

  • Fascism is described as a radical totalitarian political philosophy that combines elements of corporatism, authoritarianism, extreme nationalism, militarism, anti-anarchism, anti-communism, patriarchalism, anti-rationalism and anti-liberalism which seems to describe the republican party to a "T". Republicans love traditional aristocracy and wish to keep the "peasants" in their place. Republicans always legislate for the rich and powerful (tax cuts) at North America's expense.

  • SHE'S A LIAR AND A BIG PIECE OF S - - -

  • Hey Nancy you bitch, Every time you stand in front of television cameras and broadcast to the Islamic Nazis that we went to war because our President lied, that the war is wrong and our Soldiers are torturers, that we should leave Iraq, you give the Islamic butchers - the same ones that tortured and mutilated American Soldiers - cause to think that we'll run away again, and all they have to do is hang on a little longer.

    Please bitch just shut up!

  • I saw this whole thing and she had to stop at first to find in her paper to give the right statement.

    Democrats are basically the Same Shit Different Asshole from the republicans. Isn't the CIA a clandestine agency? Havent they done this type of thing all along? Values? I love my country but my German grandparents had to feel guilty about Hitler but us Americans don't have any room to talk, we nuked 2 cities in Japan... and it's okay because we're Americans but we are whining about this?

  • to all the stupid republicans out there.

    nancy want truth commission(because)when the cia(the liar cia)brief her.she couldn`t speak a word because it will be High treason!.this is why she wanted truth commission.dumb ass!

  • ronbnice100---she's already a treasonist.

  • Nothing like lying your ass off in front of the United States flag. Shameful.

  • If she is complicit, it would explain why she's so reluctant to start an investigation into the Bush Admin.

  • they have video evidence of her breifing!

  • This witch is frightening! Watch her nose grows as she lies!

  • I bet she didnt remember the briefing because she forgot to take her pills that day.

  • You can always tell when she lies her eyes get even wider and buggier than they already are

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  • What a coward she is the going gets tough and she runs to China..i'm so glad she's a democrat

    if she was a republican this story would be bigger then Watergate but because she's one of their own the liberal media will leave her alone, this is another reason i watch fox

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  • hell noooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!1

  • Damn these guys are as big of a joke as Fox News, fucking pathetic, defending democrats the same as Fox defends Republicans...

    You idiots that believe these fuckers needs to wake the fuck up!

  • HUH? Did you even watch the video? HE SAID SHE IS COMPLICIT TOO!!!!! He didn't defend her man....

  • I tend to go more towards the Democratic point of view, but watching Nancy Pelosi's body language during her interviews makes me think that she really did know more than she says she did. Bush & Cheney denied all along that they had foriegn prisons, used excessive methods or condoned torture. We know now that it was all lies. Pelosi likes her position, and I think she went along during the Bush era hoping that no-one would ask any questions of her afterwards.

  • She must step down, but the Modern Americans will probably tolerate the lies, have we become a country that tolerates liars and let them be in charge of us? She needs to step down, the voters need to tell her so. We after all, are in charge.

  • When have people ever stood up to lying leaders?

  • Libs = liars.

    You can't believe a thing they say.

    One thing you can count on though, massive deficits and tax increases.

    America, it sucks to be you right now.

    If anyone thinks the recession has hit bottom wait until the effects of Obama's stimulus come home to roost.

    You needed another Ronnie Reagan, you got another Dhimmi Carter.

  • It's real simple..Nancy Pelosi is mentally ill....Frightening that she's 2nd in line to be president! Canada is looking better all the time!

  • So, 3 people were waterboarded. Also, some other president dropped an H bomb--that was actually GW Bush, though.. on Japan.. that was in 2002.. I like how this "young turd" guy says, "Pelosi will speak about this..." and Pelosi's latest stance is "I've said all I have had to say.." Were this a Republican stating this and fumbling in front of the press.. this guy would be jerking himself off beneath his desk..

  • Nancy Pelosi who quietly agreed to strip out of the $100 billion funding bill for Iraq a provision that would have required President Bush to seek congressional approval before launching any new war on Iran.

    Because AIPAC asked her to.

    She is a traitor

    watch?v=iWLBhgTQ46o

  • Pelosi says about waterboarding " against our national values" ?? Why don't we have a vote in in nationally bitch and watch you loose just like your big gay marriage?

  • There is a video I would like people to post some comments on it is by: georgebushisOnePoS (Nancy Pelosi, The CIA Lied About Waterboarding).

    It is interesting to see how this person chooses to only allow people who are far left, and if you do not agree with him, he deletes every comment that is not in his narrow liberal view.

    You can test it if you don't believe me

  • If this were a Republican, dems would have had them removed by now....typical double standard of idealogues and greedy politicians. Now, instead of no-spine, greedy republicans, they are no-spine, greedy democrats...that's the "change" they promised?

  • That is a very common view of the Dems right now. I share your view.

  • Exactly.

  • Pelosi is the biggest airhead there is.

  • everything hinges on federal reserve reform

    anything else is bullshit. how can it be considered

    "sane" to continue passing huge spending bills

    when they cannot account for 14 trillion of our money?

    we need to cut off their allowance until they find it.

    if you or i lost a 100 dollar bill, we would stop everything and find it.

    who the hell are these prostiticians?

    they do not have any respect for our money-only theirs and they think our money is theirs.

  • Pelosi knew about the torture. She should be prosecuted, along with Bush and Cheney and everybody else who knew about it and participated in it, with war crimes.

  • The moment she refused to impeach Bush she became an accomplice to EVERYTHING he did!

  • The commentator's answer is "yes" and Bob Graham's answer is no. Bob Graham was THERE. And this was when even Republicans were being railroaded out of office by the Bush Administration - when Richard Clarke was called a terrorist & an outed CIA agent was referred to as a "secretary", when we were red/yellow/etc alerts on Fox "News" & when Tom DeLay was in charge of congress. When Bush had veto power. So who gets put on trial? The 1st woman majority leader for saying she was not fully informed.

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  • Nancy Pelosi who quietly agreed to strip out of the $100 billion funding bill for Iraq a provision that would have required President Bush to seek congressional approval before launching any new war on Iran.

    Because AIPAC asked her to.

    She is a traitor

    watch?v=iWLBhgTQ46o

  • I wonder how many Americans even know this fact?

  • The torture acts were illegal, but it is clear, that even our boys at Air America think that pelosi knew about it. There's really nothing we can do about it now, except throw everybody that had any knowledge of it in jail, and as much as i dislike congress, that's a little unreasonable.

  • heres the biggest example of a liar

    she knows she knew

    theres proof she knew

    and idk why people think you can regulate war

    its war! there is no laws are you gonna tell our enemy that they cant tourtue americans when they get us

    yeah i bet they will listen

    she needs to be removed

  • Hey its blabbering vagina face again, hello Cunt Uyeger!

  • You say she is complicite and nothing else. If that was a republican, you would have more than one video on her criticizing her and you would be slaying her if she was a republican. Bush lied and now Pelosi is in the same line with him. LOL>>>all that dem power and nancy just gave the repubs their way out. Now, nancy loses her job and obama is pissed for his health care agenda is stalled. With bieen and pelosi, the repubs need not do much. talk about self imploding in less than 150 days!!!!!

  • Three thousand people were killed. In her defense and others who were briefed repubs and dems, who would cry foul or preach idealism when a possible horrible attack was coming. None of them wanted to see another attack happen and be on record complaining about interrogation....she knew for many reasons and did not object but now, she cries foul for her san francisco base is yelling, you lied to us nancy!!!! LOLOL...

  • Play the real highlights where she is shakey, shifty, nervous, saying over and over, where is my statement, moving back and forth from the podium, and use of the word, employed, LOLOLOL...what attorney picked that word for you. And, of course, you did not play the entire video or the parts, which is most of it, that shows how bad she is at not telling the truth...nice spin and I was right, one video and you softball her on it..if a republican did that, you would be slaughtering her...LOL

  • If she didn't fully understand, why would she approve it? There is no defending this shameless hatemonger who will do anything to hurt her opponents. Nancy Pelosi would approve of water-boarding the republican party if it didn't hurt the democrat image. Anybody who thinks Pelosi is innocent is irrecoverably brainwashed.

  • the right wing is spreading lies about what was told . the CIA's own reports don't jive with the truth.. other members of congress have revealed inaccuracies of the CIA reports ..it really doesn't matter if she knew or not.. she had no way to stop it... it was a Bush program everything she was told could not be revealed.. it was classified by the CIA

  • Lt. Col Kwaitkowski continues: "From May 2002 until February 2003, I observed firsthand the formation of the Pentagon's Office of Special Plans and watched the latter stages of the neoconservative capture of the policy-intelligence nexus in the run-up to the invasion of Iraq.

  • An excerpt from Lt. Colonel Karen Kwiatkowski's "New Pentagon Papers" : "I witnessed neoconservative agenda bearers within OSP usurp measured and carefully considered assessments, and through suppression and distortion of intelligence analysis promulgate what were in fact falsehoods." (cont.)

  • Is it as painful for everyone to watch these Skank Uterus Young Turk clips as it is for me?Skank you suck.

  • Finally, Cenk is admitting the truth, that Pelosi screwed up. Of course, Cenk is not PASSINATE about it like he is when the GOP screws up, but at least Cenk finally see's the hypocrasy of Pelosi.

  • they called it torture at first, than when all the truth came out and some ppl were supposed to be put to trial they all of sudden started calling it waterboarding...what is waterboarding if not torture?

    fucking stop calling it that, call it for what it is, its torture, its no board on water or water on board...its a human being drowned and worse!

  • and then they started calling it "enhanced interrogation"...

    Lol, this makes me think of white collar crimes that are essentially stealing... but instead they made up words like "money laundering".

    This issue runs deeper than you and I can imagine... nobody is going to be prosecuted... and if anyone will, it will be the grunts who actually did it.... kinda like sacraficial lambs...

    Once again the american people are getting dupped... and to many of us will have no idea.

  • well, if she was so sure of her convictions, i think shed speak her mind and wait to be vindicated, which oddly enough she didnt do...she knew damn well about all of it, and now shes backpedaling after being caught in her lie...the botox can hide her lying face...

  • its become the fashion to defend the terrorists and hate our leaders.....i blame "the view".....joy behar especially, dumb liberal twat that she is...

  • Unfortunately, Speaker Pelosi is an accomplished politician and not a statesman. She's ultimately hurting our President and the Democratic party. Her responses and excuses (I hate to use that word but it is what it is) have worn thin. She is not demonstrating a level of credibility required for the leadership position she holds today.

  • nancy is a prostitician-is this "news?"

    everything hinges on federal reserve reform

    anything else is bullshit. how can it be considered

    "sane" to continue passing huge spending bills

    when they cannot account for 14 trillion of our money?

    we need to cut off their allowance until they find it.

    if you or i lost a 100 dollar bill, we would stop everything and find it.

    who the hell are these prostiticians?

    they do not have any respect for our money-only theirs.

    and they think our money is theirs.

  • Hahaha! It took the ultra liberal "man show wanabe" turkish fat fuck 4 minutes and 37 seconds to "kind of admit" what the whole country knows...outfriggingstanding!!!

  • i'd believe the CIA anyday before a corrupt, slimy politician like pelosi.

    too many corrupt, lying, phony, self-seeking politicians in congress... time to kick them out.

  • Pelosi is being punished by the Jewish Lobby (or crime organization, which is more accurate) for speaking to the FBI about AIPAC and Jane Harman.

    This has nothing to do with anything else

  • and your evidence or reasoning for this conclusion is?

  • I surely have no evidence.

    This is informed speculation based on what we know was said between AIPAC and Jane Harman and from years of watching the Lobby operate.

    Remember last year when everyone was promising to recognize the Armenian genocide but the Lobby pulled the plug? The Armenians fought back by going public. The Lobby has responded -- Obama has backed off on recognizing the genocide and aid to Armenia has been cut by 38%

  • You can clearly she is lying...

  • The Democrats are allowing the GOP to paint themselves into a corner. The GOP is calling for Nancy Pelosi to step down as house speaker.

    The Democrats are going to drop a bomb on the Bush/Cheney Administration within the next month or two.

    I believe as the speaker of the house Nancy Pelosi has the authority and power to call for a truth commission.

    The GOP is dumb dumb dumb.

  • It's appalling when you have the likes of these liars and cheats trashing Nancy Pelosi.

    Newt Gingrich who acknowledged he was having an extramarital affair even as he led the charge against President Clinton over the Monica Lewinsky affair.

    Bill O'Reily was charged with sexual harrassment which he settle out of court for 2-10 million dollars

    Sean Hannity who help Allen Stanford swindle people out of 7 or 8 billion dollars.

    These are fuckin' hypocrites

  • Nancy Pelosi who quietly agreed to strip out of the $100 billion funding bill for Iraq a provision that would have required President Bush to seek congressional approval before launching any new war on Iran.

    Because AIPAC asked her to.

    She is a traitor

    watch?v=iWLBhgTQ46o

  • Washmitt.....here is some food for thought

    The Bush/Cheney administartion was absolutely corrupted.

    Cheney's ex chief of staff Scooter Libby was convicted of obstruction, perjury and lying to the FBI in an investigation into the leak of a CIA operative's identity.

    Remember the 2003 Bush Medicare Prescription Drug Bill Vote Scandal. Drug Industry and HMOs Deployed an Army of Nearly 1,000 Lobbyists to Push Medicare bill.

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  • AIPAC told her to. They don't ask.

    And now she is being punished for talking to the FBI in the Nancy Harman / AIPAC threatening to extort Congresswoman Pelosis incident

  • "We" knew she was a lier years ago dumbasses.

    Republicans and Democrats are the same.

    Its "backfiring" on themselfs. But of cource the useless American media...ya you guys...are shills for the 2 party system.

  • She'll say anything to get out this. Why not ask this, if she was then everyone else in the room was too but I don't see them out there saying that. And lets have all the memos out there, not just the selected ones.

  • She was complicit as hell! Not at least because she admits being told (irrelivant that she was being lied to or not) about the waterboarding before she thought it had happened.

    She said nothing & clearly gave it her ok. The argument she implies here was that she thought it was legal... fail!

    What you dont know, john woo I think his name was who gave legal advice to bush, also said crushing the testicles of a small child was legal in interrigation.

    So it seems she was even ok with that 2

  • lol, she was studdering hardcore during that second vid shown

  • Officer Michael Urbina, Sharnice Gartrell and Naima Reed brutally beat up a woman at Reagan National Airport.

    The Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority Police pressed fake charges against her to somehow justify the beating.

    She has permanent brain damage as a result of the concussion blow Officer Michael Urbina gave her when he beat her.

    There needs to be a federal agency policing the police. End torture at Guantanamo. End torture at Reagan National Airport.

  • nancy an truth are complete strangers. here is some truth-she is out as speaker and will not be re-elected. and forget about any more big-spending bullshit, we want the fed audited before another dime of our money is spent.

    the united states is insolvent. has been for years. little lord rockefeller demands satisfaction. even UncleJoe Biden "the truthful buffoon" knows this. giethner is violating the Logan act with the rothschilds right now to buy us some more time.

  • Nancy Pelosi is telling the truth. Bush perverted the entire government just to push his Iraq War/Haliburton no-bid-contract scheme. The CIA gave him false infromation about WMD because Bush asked for it. Why wouldn't they lie to a minority house leader?

  • The Bushes were both great presidents! There was the first Bush who waged Desert Storm with one of the best Secretaries of Defense in the history of America, Richard Cheney. Then there was the son of Bush, George W. Bush, who waged the mop-up detail in Iraq that his father left unfinished. There is also another Bush that I didn't mention. Not Jeb Bush, but there was the famous 'Burning Bush,' in the movie with Charlton Heston playing the roll of Moses. Watch out Iran, you're next, WMD or not!

  • MichaelWinston:

    HAHAHA!!! You liberals are so fk'ing stupid & brainwashed

    Carter & Clinton had no-bid contracts with Haliburton too!!

    LMAO!! Yea dumbass, it was JUST the CIA who gave the intel on WMDs --- hahaha!!

    It was an entire Intelligence Community -- foreign & domestic, UNSCOM, IAEA, etc

    Is life easy when you can walk around being an idiot & having the media tell you what to believe?

  • She could have misconstrued the meaning of 'enhanced.' As when one enhances the eyes, eye-liner is used to give one the Cleopatra look. Or, she could have heard 'skate-boarding,' when the term 'water-boarding' was used. If you were a bleeding-heart democrat, then you might support an 'enhanced' experience for the incarcerated goat-molesters. This enhancement would include, TV, rec-room, weights (to build muscles so that they could handle an AK-47 with ease when released), and skate-boarding.

  • Like the French Revolution...when the heads begin to roll its going to be a bloodbath.....it goes so far I bet most of our politicians will lose their heads like Nancy here.

  • Scramble to save your career Nancy. What was your postion in the Bush administration? And you didnt know about it huh. So what are you doing in Washingtion in the first place? Goodby Nancy

  • Nancy Pelosi should be water boarded until she tells the truth.

  • I served in Vietnam..its ok for them to cut off hands feet and use bamboo on fingernails to our troops..Waterboarding..Pelosi is guilty..but you know what..if it savesw AMERICAN LIVES..THEN SO BE IT....Hell, if Truman hadn't droped the bomb on Hirohima and Nagosaki we would have lost another 250000 more Americans..So she's guilty of lying but gets my OK on waterboarding..

  • barbienefouse,

    You must have been eleven years old when you served in Viet Nam. My disgust at you and your kind posing as a warfighting patriots disgust me.

  • 1 - Considering your age on your profile is 45, I'll just assume your a lying troll barbienefouse.

    2 - Truman saved at least 1,000,000 American soldiers by dropping the bombs then. Nevermind the millions of Japanese who would have also been killed.

    3 - Read the wikipedia article on waterboarding. Then try and defend it. Or maybe you could try reading the Geneva Convention.

  • I think you are both (barb/ thrash) wrong on the dropping of the bombs on Japan. There is an equally good argument that the only reason we dropped the bomb on the Japanese was to demonstrate our new power to Russia as the Cold War was about to begin.

    For the same reason that we locked up Japanese Americans but not German Americans, it could be argued that it was more racially acceptable to drop the bombs on the Japanese as a demonstration. Killing two birds with one stone so to speak.

  • The first successful atomic bomb test was on July 16, 1945.

    Germany surrendered on May 8, 1945.

    Truman's main reasons for dropping the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were to bring a quick end to the war with Japan, and the fact that many Americans thought the war should have ended with the surrender of Germany. The two bombs dropped were the only functioning ones the US had at the time.

    It was a message not just to the Japanese, but the German and Italian people as well as Stalin.

  • The Japanese Internment during WWII was motivated by race and legitimate security concerns. FDR initially resisted the idea, but congress and public opinion forced his hand. There was also a major difference in the number of German and Italian Americans versus the number of Japanese Americans.

    None of that made it right, or legal.

  • I agree with all above, but since all the memos between the generals, the scientists and the President have been released, our history cannot deny that they had options. If Truman would have diplomatically defined unconditional surrender to allow the Japanese Empire to save face, surrender could have come months earlier. Stalin and the Soviet Union as well as retaliation for Pearl Harbor were the reasons for the bombs. They go as far as to plan for the most collateral civilian damage.

  • In the end the best way to end the war and save the greatest number of lives was too drop the bombs. Ethics and morality have no place in war. The only thing that matters in the end is victory.

    I know it sounds cruel, but if I were in Truman's shoes I probably would have done the same.

  • Another point: At the time Truman decided to drop the bombs, American forces were within bombing range of civilian populations. Most of the civilian population lived in wooden structures that went up in flames like so many match boxes. In one bombing raid using conventional bombs the U.S. could destroy 80,000 Japanese civilian lives. The Japanese military accepted those casualties and would have resisted surrender to the bitter and absurd end. The military tried to stop the Emperor's surrender.

  • All sadly true.

  • I don't think the Emperor knew how many bombs the U.S. had. He must have realized, in a flash of insight, that if the U.S. had several more of these devices that it would be a matter of weeks before all of Japan was vaporized. The people had never seen the Emperor and thought he was a deity. He made a recorded announcement of the impending surrender. A splinter group of the military tried to prevent its being aired to the populace. The U.S. assured the Emperor's court that he would retain power.

  • For months prior to the surrender our own experts laid out a plan that would be acceptable for surrender. Truman chose to use language in negotiations that prolonged the war. Why?

    American lives or Japanese lives were not part of any reason for the bombs. Our leaders were looking past WWII and at what was becoming the Cold War.

    Payback for Pearl Harbor was a plus. We shamelessly celebrated the massive destruction.

  • From a leadership point of view, I do not know if it was wrong.

    However, I like the idea of an honest discussion, instead of the propagandized version.

    I know what you are saying is wrtten in you text books, but even they have an agenda and we sterilize the truth quite often.

  • Why? Well, now I must tell you that I am not an historian. I just don't know the details that well to tell you why. My guess is that the U.S. was looking for an 'unconditional surrender,' and didn't feel they were getting those terms during negotiations. The discovery of the bomb must have seemed 'fortuitous' to Truman. I bet his intuition told him that it would put a sudden end to the war. Since there were only a few bombs, that hunch was a gamble. The war could have lasted longer in any case.

  • I do teach history if that matters, but I give credit to your life experiences. I was taught the same as you in high school and the books still say pretty much the same, but many documents have been released that now show a different history that is harder to write about and embrace, so we don't teach it yet, because we cannot face that truth.

    We are about to ignore the truth again.

    Truman was deliberate and calculating. Guessing, fortuitous and intuition are not good history words. IMHO

  • Well excuse me for not being a history professor at Helsinki University. All I know is that there are plenty of conspiracy theories to go around and that you can cherry pick historical facts to support your theory. Maybe we should talk about physics and the big bang theory. Now that does not require conspiracy theories because when the universe was just a tiny primordial cherry bomb, everything was contained therein. Very simple, very beautiful, no problem. Believe what you will, but I like Ike.

  • Now that makes sense, I like Ike too. I am not trying to bring down your hero, I do not know if what he did was wrong, only his reasons for doing it were maybe not as admirable as is noted in so many HS text books.

    Conspiracy theorist do cherry pick as you said. I have not eliminated only included as much information as I can. What he knew and in what order, acted tells a slightly different story than the accepted version.

    I did not mean to offend, but your arguments were off a bit. Sorry.

  • Peace. Good conversation. By the way. I am kind of curious. What country are you from? If you would like to tell me I would be interested in knowing. My guesses are Finland, Sweden, or ___?

  • "Ethics and morality have no place in war."

    Isn't this the real current question. Is the cost of giving up our fundamental values, ethics, and freedoms worth winning a war or by shelving our morals and principles do we actually lose perspective as to what we are really fighting for.

    Our hero's are always the one's that do the right thing when no one is looking, sacrifice his/her life for a just cause and put the greater good ahead of personal gain. Ethics and morals always have a place.

  • There is a difference between the treatment of a whole nation and an individual prisoner. Getting correct information that hastens the end of the war should be more important than the methods used. The "methods" used by the last administration are well documented to produce false information which would do nothing but lengthen the war. The US didn't use force to get information from German, Italian and Japanese POWs and that reliable information helped bring WWII to a quick end.

  • Also, not using force on enemy POWs helps ensure the safety of our own captured troops. From a purely tactical standpoint having the moral high ground is an advantage in war no matter the enemy. Plus during WWII enemy soldiers were more willing to surrender if they knew we wouldn't mistreat them. In the end morality can be as useful a weapon as any bomb.

    If that seems contradictory its because it is.

    (:

  • Then just do what Obama is doing--same thing Joe Montana says we should be doing--viz. 'take no prisoners.' And Obama doesn't need to because he's using U.S. UAVs which kill them on the spot; or Navy Seals that blow out three brains simultaneously; and paying the Pakistani Army to finally kick their own peoples' ass. Go Obama! Let's face it, Bush wasn't able to slam-dunk in a basketball court. We don't need to torture the goat-molesters because this administration aims to outright kill them all.

  • The "goat-molesters" are an oppressed people on the most part. The corruption that breeds violence is a by-product of the US involvment in another war. And I don't think you or anyone else believes that Obama has an agenda of "killing them all." I am guessing you need sleep, I know I do.

  • Not so fast, professor! Obama, and the president to follow, will be kicking the asses of goat molesters, goat-molesters on skateboards, and goat-molesters on skateboards wearing explosive, suicide-bomb vests. Bring them all on. We will have an answer for their twisted minds.

  • Are you really a 63-year-old Atheist? I find your language offensive, I really do teach and tolerance is part of that gig. If you are interested in a non-traditional spiritual life, this language seems contradictory. Terrorism is a reality, but your apparent attitude is not how it is defeated. Gandhi style or there is more energy created when force meets force, than when force is absorbed and allowed to dissipate.

  • I'm sorry that I have offended you. I was not using you as a target. I, too, believe that we will have to use tolerance and that we will need to communicate with others to finally solve the biggest problems we face as a global community. However, it will take a long, long time. In the meanwhile, there will be more of what is going on now and what has been going on since the dawn of time. You seem to be preaching that if we cast a critical eye toward ourselves only then will there be real change.

  • Eww "preaching", I hope to offer for debate, make suggestions, express an opinion, hate to be considered preachy. But you are right, the only thing we truly can change is ourselves. Live by example, do not falter from our ideals, forgive others their trespasses, etc.

    Yes force makes change faster, but it is not lasting. True change is slow and steady and has a foundation based on solid uncompromising principles. Machiavelli may be the current philosopher of choice but it is not lasting.

  • If they will renounce breeding the corruption which results in the hybrid species of goats wearing towels around their heads and speaking with forked-tongues like the serpent that swallows a mule, then Obama will spare their lives. After all, his party's icon is a mule. And they also have to lay down their weapons and let their women go shopping at the mall. In short, if they will renounce having shit for brains, they will be spared getting them splattered all over the place with a sniper shot.

  • This is a controversy that has been floating around for over half a century. Does it make any sense to try to find the 'real' answer to who's right? Two facts: racist propaganda was used in recruiting Americans in FDR's effort. It was a huge effort and Germany needed to be defeated first. Secondly, Japan would not surrender. A longer war would have meant hundreds of thousands more of American lives. Japanese Americans spoke English yet they were mis-trusted. The West Coast was spooked by Japan.

  • "Does it make any sense to try to find the 'real' answer to who's right?"

    Funny how that question keeps popping up in our history. Why do we need to know the truth? Is it better that we do not know what crimes were committed in our name? If we know, are we then liable to do something about it?

    Jack Nickelson comes to mind- "You can't handle the truth." Jack was wrong,

    We can be redeemed but we cannot be complicit. If Pelosi was complicit before the fact, she needs to repent.

  • If you want to see what the body language and words of a real liar looks and sounds like, check this vid:

    watch?v=AKcUo2xO0cI

  • Watching Nancy Pelosi trying to explain her lies is like watching a train wreck....

    You know you shouldnt look but you just cant help it!

    Pelosi is so entertaining to watch, almost as much fun as Gibbs.

    I love a good comedy!

  • NP=Pure Evil

  • backassdupe:

    YOU=Pure Retardedness

  • Slobersondichs:

    YOU=Brainwashed, Getting Buttfucked by Barney Frank

  • LMAO.

    Glenn Beck must be so proud of his little troll.

  • Pelosi just stepped on a landmine. She's a complete idiot for attacking the CIA, now they are going to release EVERYTHING said in those meetings (which will prove Nancy was fully briefed and knew the extent to which water boarding was being used). She's a dumba**.

  • Yourjunkfilledbrain86:

    Why would she call for complete disclosue of the CIA memos if she had anything to hide?!?

    You do have a brain, right?