Lets get practical about all this thermite crap. A few calculations will high lite how totally unbelievable these claims are. The WTC has 47 MASSIVE interior columns. 240 (odd) exterior 4 sided BOX columns. How much thermite per column? (100 pounds? 200?) For the sake of argument lets say 150 pounds.
Even at half the columns 144 that is 21,600 pounds of thermite in the building.
And THIS is going to result in material only a scanning electron microscope can see?
@roquefortfiles big ass explosions that bring a building down immediately and can be heard from miles away (which didnt happen) would call for tons of thermite. Now a calculated collapse that takes 7 hours will require less thermite to be strategically placed throughout the building.slowly melting the columns completely evenly (which is the tell tale sign) and causing a sudden free fall collapse of the entire building. All while giving the appearance of small office fires inside the building.
@bigcheesy95 slowly melting the columns completely evenly (which is the tell tale sign) and causing a sudden free fall collapse of the entire building. All while giving the appearance of small office fires inside the building.
Ahhhhhh!! Oooh.. I see. Tell you what? You call up a demolition company and tell them you plan on using THERMITE to take down a building. We will see how fast they would laugh you out the door.
A thermite reaction creates dangerous amounts of uv light, its like watching an arc welder your supposed to wear a welding mask to watch it. Funny how no complained about bright light burning their eyes and nothing showed up on the tv cameras either.
I just dont understand why people still challenge the fact that explosives where used, I knew it the day it happened I assumed bombs caused the collapse and was confused to find out later that offically there hd been no bomb
Following in the footsteps of well over 1,000 scientists and other professional groups who have already gone on record questioning the official theory, more than 40 U.S. Counter-Terrorism and Intelligence Agency veterans have come forward to challenge the Governments rendition of the September 11, 2001 attacks. Their behind-the-scenes knowledge and experience of sensitive and classified issues places them in a uniquely authoritative position...
@alienspacecentereast For the sake of all the concerned folks posting this video for their friends and colleagues I really wish you didn't upload this clip under the "alienspacecentereast" account
Not that I disagree on that subject either, but to be successful in the short term we must respect how powerful a role psychology plays of those still asleep. We need everybody for this to work, even the relatively closed minded
About 2:40 into your video, Harrit makes another false or misleading statement - that WTC7 collapsed in 6.5 seconds.
This is not true. The entire collapse took between 14 - 18 seconds (verified by seismic records, which also did NOT capture any evidence of explosive detonation initiating the collapse).
I am very disappointed by Dr. Harrit's very sloppy attitude towards facts. I expect more from someone who claims to be a good scientist, but he seems to be just another truther.
Hey listen, this is crap-talk. Only the facade (!!!), do you think I am fucking stupid or what? I don´t want your shit here and I fucking block you if there is comming more shit from you!
You people are debunked to death and you just continue to spread shit over the internet, which more looks like an agenda, a work setup just to mislead others. Don´t think you can rule me on that topic, I am not as far behind as you might think!
AND SEND ME THESE GOD DAMN LINKS, IS IT A PROBLEM FOR YOU OR..?
Yes, of course. But he is misleading people by refusing to include the actual start of the progressive collapse, which began much earlier and led to the PH collapse.
hahaha so what you're saying is that the collapse started to show up on seismic record before it physically started to collapse? DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS!?@# THAT MEANS THAT THERE WERE EXPLOSIONS IN THE BUILDING BEFORE IT STARTED TO PHYSICALLY COLLAPSE!!!
And also remember that the WTC7 collapse was a very complex one, that took several hours to develop.
What surprises me is that truthers don't even examine the video evidence carefully and accurately, then repeat false conclusions all over the internet.
That is not truth, it is myth-making. The truth is that WTC7 took at least 14 seconds to collapse, and it did so in several stages - the last stage was the facade, the first stage was column 79 and all the floors above.
I should mention that there's nothing wrong with examining the chips and looking at their composition.
The problem comes IMHO when they make wild claims about the chips, without providing any real evidence to support the claims, nor any corroborating tests by independent, qualified scientists.
Then there is the problem of Bentham's which has some obviously very suspicious publishing peer-review practices.
The fact that a bogus paper was accepted is not promising.
Quote from thescientist*.com: "The editor-in-chief of an open access journal (Bentham Science Publishers) has stepped down from his post after learning that the journal accepted a fake, computer-generated article for publication."...
Not a word about the article on Nano-Thermite...
If you have a link to the source from where you got your information, please send it to me!
Tandem:How do you explain the NIST reports failure to mention the tons of molten slag found under building seven(The one not hit by a plane) in contradiction to the Fema report ?
How do you explain the symmetrical collapse of a modern reinforced building that was over engineered to withstand the complete removal of many floors and keep standing ?
Id have you over for a Beer and BBQ to discuss it ,but im afraid the BBQ would collapse due to the Thermal expansion"
willieofroanoke's account reaks of Bogusness-nearly 12000 videos watched and 1 favourite ? ! sub, probably him/her with a dummy account,Intellectual masturbation at it's finest ! Ignore the Zeros,stick with the Heros-
You describe your self fool, what can I say. I have had many discussions with people like you, and it´s the same flawed nonsens every time, like you have a protocol to follow, making a lot of posts, just to fill out the comment space.
As I said, you should get beaten with the witness accounts telling about explosions and be forced to take action against the 9/11 commision (who won´t speak with the witnesses), and fight for these people´s right to speak out and be heard!
Today I totally trashed another conspiracy nut that claimed both CNN and BBC had beforehand knowledge of the WTC7 falling because they reported it live 23 minutes before it happened. Oops!
Well duh... the source of that misinformation was Reuters who admitted it was false rumor and retracted the story within minutes. That FACT of course the "truther" asswipes never include because it blows their conspiracy story out of the water.
I stop here, you are more stupid than I have expected, I should slap your face with all the witness accounts telling about explosions, among them 118 firefighters who heard and was blown by explosions in the buildings. Deny that and you are an idiot, sorry, but you are. So please fuck out of here and make a proper research before comming back here again, now enough with your nonsens, gosh
OK, so if you accept planes hit the towers, apply Occam's Razor principle. You claim to like science, so use it.
Basically it means any explanation of some phenomenon should make as few assumptions as possible, eliminating those that make no difference in the observable predictions of the explanatory hypothesis or theory.
Ergo, if Thermite brought the building down as you claim, then adding planes isn't necessary and is redundant.
Of course the airplanes was nescessary. What do you think would happen, if the buildings suddenly collapsed out of nowhere..? It gives no sense at all, so the airplanes was there to fool us and to serve as a "reason" why the buidings collapsed he he
You seem to have little grasp of the fact that Occam's Razor is not a scientific principal. it is at best, a metaphysical assumption, a Sometimes useful heuristic preference, that actually has little empirical evidence for being a fundamental principal of logic. This is evidenced by the fact that the history of science shows that the simplest explanations often yield to complexities as new data becomes available-Ie particles of Nano Thermite ! Don't cherry pick your epistemology!
If there's a ocean of evidence, then you shouldn't have any trouble showing me some. You can do some simple caculations to confirm conspiracy theories are wacko.
The OK city federal building bombing took 6200 pounds of explosive. Most compute it woud have taken 30,000 or more pounds for EACH tower to implode the WTC towers.
Unless you can tell me HOW that was done you come off as a quack.
Besides ALL implosions begin on the grouond floor or basement. Show any proof of that happened.
Let´s boil it down. You won´t accept obvious visible and documented facts around this 9/11 story. The 9/11 Commsion Report have major flaws everybody with a bit sense can see! You are trying hard to promote a lie so obvious, that it just can´t be true :)
Exactly the kind of non answer I expected. You conspiracy nuts are all alike. You scream consipriacy all day long then when asked to explain even the simpler aspects regarding how they might have pulled it off your run away.
Pay attention. You are the one screaming it was a conspiracy, so the burden to prove your theory has merit falls on you.
You fail for the same reason the nutty professor does. Anyone can say anyhing. Proving it is something else.
How can you fx blind believe, that Pentagon, which have the worlds most secure airspace, could be attacked? Why didn´t Pentagon react on FAA´s calls and why did Rumsfeldt change the protocol for pentagons air defense to a very slow one 3 months before 9/11, while all these indications of a comming terror attack was ongoing..? No sense at all.
And Larry "Pull-it" Silverstein... ohh I can go on and on and on forever, and you could do the same if you opened your eyes for God sake.
How the f... can I in the world explain you how they got this into the buildings and how they rigged the buildings? Ask the involved who did this shit to the buidlings!
I know your attempt to run this discussion off the tracks, so don´t fool me with that shit! You have the science to rely on, and I am not a scientists, sorry...
Tell me what documentaries you have seen about 9/11, I am very curious...
You should see "Debunking 9/11 Debunking" by David Ray Griffin.
And why didn´t anyone see? You see, some witnesses have spoken about "workers" with toolboxes with cables sticking out. You could work unseen between the floors and in the elevator shafts. And what about the major powerout for 36 hours a week before 9/11.
But this is hopeless my friend, you have an ocean of evidence, that 9/11 was orchestrated by people in US government, but you go to the official explanation, which have been debunked to death..?
You keep tap dancing around a clear and obvious fact. Why hasn't Harrit been interviewed by main stream meda or published in any mainstream scientific publications?
You only have the most flimsy excuse, the authorites are trying to hide something.
Willie, the mainstream media are controlled by the same assholes that destroyed WTC. Get it in your thick head. And there is no way in hell planes brought down the towers. You need to research a bit morebefore you sprout any more bullshit!!!!! Idiot!
The thermite theory fails on several levels the simplest is just understanding what would be involved to set things in motion. Tens of tons of Thermite secretly planted in columns behind walls in private offices. Hear me laughing? Worse thermite itself is not an explosive, rather a chemical reaction, not at all suited to controlled split second implosion of a 110 story building. Then you need to either reject there were planes or explain their purpose. You can't.
One of the insane claims in the 9/11 commision report is, that the towers was held up primary by the exterior walls, and not the interior core, which the commision claimed was a "hollow steel shaft", and that is a BIG FAT LIE.
NIST are setting the safety standards for constructions like WTC, but when they won´t tell us what exactly happend to the buildings, you have to evacuate all such buildings in the world immidiately, because they may collapse...
Stop using the state sponsored info sources to base your opinion about 9/11 on, you just get lost in the jungle of lies, and you show clear sign of that. I hope you wake up some day.
You should check out the security company in WTC, the company with Bush´s brother as director. They had the job to secure the safety in these buildings up to 9/11.
UFO's, Big Foot, global warming cults and that's all they are, all claim expertise of their followers. Once you begin to strip down their claims their stories quickly crumble. Surpise, I download and read the professor's paper a couple days ago. Interesting for sure and well written... but it has gapping holes, lacks evidence and makes huge leaps in it's unfounded conclusions. The likey reason he was rejected by mainstream publications and 99.5% of his peers.
You can easily strip down claims with other claims, no matter if they are true or not. It is being used every day on a big scale to prevent the truth to come out. Remember, the people behind 9/11 don´t want to be caught in their own shit, and when they control the government and the media, they can make their lies come true!
And you talk about "gapping holes" oh my God..! -you have a very good example of that in the 9/11 Commision Report, the report that has created a Monthy Python idiocracy
I sense hard feelings out of control. The ridicule and dirty language tells it all and shows how serious and "scientific" your are...
You have your nonsens against a massive network of all kinds of people, high and low, airline pilots with 30 years of experience, government officials, military and intelligence agencies, FAA, firefighters, resque workers, police officers, demolition experts, scientists and so on. Why do you close your eyes for that..?
I must agree, you have some issues you should work on.
Willie Foe, remember you have some big interest here and big interest create big motivations.
If you studying interviews, with a basic knowledge of body language, understandning of human greed, a banksters mind set, the psykologi of the average politesions, how huge medias works in the 20 century. Then you will feel, that something stinks.
Remember if you read a report (important) tjek your source out, remember interest.
You confirmed from the very start that you are in total control by the same people and network of criminals behind 9/11.
You eat their shit as a turkey without a head. If you open your eyes and look away from the official non-scientific story, you will see a much greater spectrum of what is going on. You will then see you have been lied to.
Global warming is a hoax exactly as 9/11. All planets in our solar system gets warmer, it´s not only the earth. The cause of that is the Sun...
What's wrong with the Thermite conspiracy theory is for starters the nutty professor admits to have collected the dust samples from total stangers and accordingly the chain of evidence is broken right at the start. Who knows what some other nut gave this nut or why. Like most kook theories it quickly falls apart under closer inspection.
Then you have to add in that all the world class scientists that wrote the offical reports are lying or just plain stupid. That's even harder to swallow.
I believe we will see an official denial with the help from a panel of scientists, bound to debunk this new scientific knowledge and not to investigate the facts with a proper scientific analysis. They will state something like "the thermite material was a part of the "coating mixture" on the steelbeams in all three buildings". Maybe they develop the story and shock the world with the statement, that this mixture amazingly WAS the actual cause to the collapses, because it ignited...
My point which you seem to gloss over is if what the professor had to say had any creditability then the major scientific publications as well as world wide news media would be all over it like white on rice. Because that has NOT happened and it's now atmost a week after the fact this is clearly some crackpot needing to pay to be publish his BS. To put into context its like some flat-earther trying to spout his theory the world his flat. He won't get taken seriously nor should he.
-and you must know, that the global warming hoax was promoted by strong economic powers with the Rothchild family as major sponsor. Because of their power, they forced this lie through the same major scientific publications and world wide news media...
" they makes money by charging authors publication fees. The non-scientist readers of this blog may not realize this, but mainstream academic/scientific journals do not charge fees to authors. So to see the fees so baldly laid out is pretty shocking; e.g., $900 to publish a review article. That's a vanity press!"
Okay, but you are talking about the website, not the new article. You do the classic one, attack the messenger :)
I agree that this affiliate system will have a negative effect, cause organisations, governments and corporations can bombard these open access websites with articles designed to promote their politics, products and so on.
Those interested in checking into this scam can Google "A new model for open access: the pyramid scheme" where some medical doctor was approached by the same company that published the nutty professor to become Editor-in-Chief of The Open Demography Journal. You see Betham Science Publication runs hundreds of online vanity press operations and some well known scientists were taken in and now they're pissed and exposing this crap.
Independant and crazy as a loon are two differnt things.
The "publication" this clown was "published" in is regarded as Vanity Press. In other words the author (the professor in this case) pays, then they publish. Several scientists in other fields have a lot to say about the company offering this service which is only a few minutes away if you know how to use Google. Those articles explain how they were approached to do peer review.
They would have to buy the thermite from ship and store it, workers making the thermite, truck drivers keeping quite, then dozens to plant the charges, drill holes, stand guard, ,the demolition experts, all their wifes, girl friends, Then all the workers shifting through the debris, truck driver hauling it away, the barge workers, nobody ever sees anything. That's so lame it isn't worth taking further. Conspiracy theories fall under their own weight because they're so crazy to begin with.
He couldn't get published either. I have a awful hard time accepting that career scientists, engineers are going to lie for the government. That's who put the various reports together.
Even if you get 10 to go along what about the other 100 or 1,000 that won't? The kooks probably would say they're in concentration camps or were killed or some other nonsense. The point is any grand conspiracy would simply be too big to work and someone ALWAYS talks.
Here's the thing... If what this professor found has even a hint of truth to it then the world wide news media would be beating down his door to interview him and he would be all over TV. That he can't even get published by any of the dozens of real scientific jourals speaks volumes.
Well its like someobdy sending away to some web site to get a phony degee to pretend to be an attorney or doctor.
If this guy has to PAY to get "published" that sadly for him totally blows any creditability.
The question becomes IF this professor really found something and his "evidence" was so overwhelming, why hasn't any acredited and actually professional organization published his work?
Uof Iowa & SeaLane Consultings Direct Evidence of Controlled Internal Explosions; Greenings Momentum Analysis, (& reply thereto)
Jones report of WTC thermite arson, & Using Scientific Method on 911, & Why did WTCs completely collapse; Ryans High Velocity Bursts of Debris, & Top Ten Connections between NIST & thermite
Ross Momentum Transfer Analysis, & Evaluation of NISTs report, (NIST & Dr Bazant A simultaneous failure); Douglass evaluation of NIST report
Do you have any comments refuting the findings of BYUs Physics: Analysis of molten steel by thermite on WTC; Logical Systems Consultings acceleration analysis; & Proof of Explosive Demolition, & their report Evidence for Controlled Demolition
Urichs Analysis of Mass & PE of WTC1; Jones v Robertson; Jenkins Demolition Contrary Evidence, & Solving the Great Steel Caper
The point is neither Jones or Harrit is RESPECTED enough by their fellow scientists to get published in any of the respected scientific journals and needed to restort to some vanity press. Both funny and sad.
In the real world exposing that is called a slam dunk. The "truthers" sitll don't get it. They have no respect and don't deserve any either when they pull those kind of stunts.
I really don´t know where you wanna go with your statements? No matter if they are respected or not, they are still scientists and they do their job exactly as other scientists should do, and we all should pay attention to them, because they serve you and me with facts. Just this censorship of science should wake you up to understand, that something is not right! So, are you a believer of the official conspiracy theory..?
Yeah, if you can pay you can do everything, just like they did to the people in the 9/11 commision, payed them to do the most shitty work the world have ever seen. Why do you think they publish this article in "The Open Chemical Physics Journal"? You should know, that Steven E. Jones research was censored. If your work is being censored, what do you do? You find another source to get it out..!
You skeptics, you need to learn to respect science, that is the purpose of science, is that clear???
I am an American and so many other Americans believe that 9/11 was done by OUR government and other government. What is sadder than that is, THERE IS NOT A DAMN THING WE CAN DO TO BRING THESE GOVERNMENTS TO JUSTICE...Even sadder is trying to tell those that dont believe it that it is true and they say OUR governments would not do that....so sad they are not awake to all this...Peace my friend, great vid...c
There is some great footage of the thermite actually cutting through the steel beams just before the WTC comes down
6 mos before 911, Larry Silverstein, miraculously acquired the lease on WTC - He got it for a "steal" because it needed 100 million in renovations, (asbestos). But rather than renovate, Silverstein told NYFD commander he had decided to "pull" WTC7, and then filed a claim for 7.1 billion a few months later!
Lets get practical about all this thermite crap. A few calculations will high lite how totally unbelievable these claims are. The WTC has 47 MASSIVE interior columns. 240 (odd) exterior 4 sided BOX columns. How much thermite per column? (100 pounds? 200?) For the sake of argument lets say 150 pounds.
Even at half the columns 144 that is 21,600 pounds of thermite in the building.
And THIS is going to result in material only a scanning electron microscope can see?
Totally ridiculous
roquefortfiles 4 months ago
@roquefortfiles big ass explosions that bring a building down immediately and can be heard from miles away (which didnt happen) would call for tons of thermite. Now a calculated collapse that takes 7 hours will require less thermite to be strategically placed throughout the building.slowly melting the columns completely evenly (which is the tell tale sign) and causing a sudden free fall collapse of the entire building. All while giving the appearance of small office fires inside the building.
bigcheesy95 3 months ago
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@bigcheesy95 slowly melting the columns completely evenly (which is the tell tale sign) and causing a sudden free fall collapse of the entire building. All while giving the appearance of small office fires inside the building.
Ahhhhhh!! Oooh.. I see. Tell you what? You call up a demolition company and tell them you plan on using THERMITE to take down a building. We will see how fast they would laugh you out the door.
Its not a material for this job. Ask a pro..
roquefortfiles 3 months ago
A thermite reaction creates dangerous amounts of uv light, its like watching an arc welder your supposed to wear a welding mask to watch it. Funny how no complained about bright light burning their eyes and nothing showed up on the tv cameras either.
ryn88220 1 year ago
haha... thats the nutty professor... the man is crazy... i cant believe that he is a professor, that is too silly...!!
klingzz 1 year ago
@klingzz what do you mean. he found explosive material and concludes that it was used in the buildings demolition.
bigcheesy95 3 months ago
I just dont understand why people still challenge the fact that explosives where used, I knew it the day it happened I assumed bombs caused the collapse and was confused to find out later that offically there hd been no bomb
robjbray 2 years ago 4
May 19, 2009:
Following in the footsteps of well over 1,000 scientists and other professional groups who have already gone on record questioning the official theory, more than 40 U.S. Counter-Terrorism and Intelligence Agency veterans have come forward to challenge the Governments rendition of the September 11, 2001 attacks. Their behind-the-scenes knowledge and experience of sensitive and classified issues places them in a uniquely authoritative position...
Check "Website" link on my channel
alienspacecentereast 2 years ago
@alienspacecentereast For the sake of all the concerned folks posting this video for their friends and colleagues I really wish you didn't upload this clip under the "alienspacecentereast" account
Not that I disagree on that subject either, but to be successful in the short term we must respect how powerful a role psychology plays of those still asleep. We need everybody for this to work, even the relatively closed minded
supercat821 7 months ago
About 2:40 into your video, Harrit makes another false or misleading statement - that WTC7 collapsed in 6.5 seconds.
This is not true. The entire collapse took between 14 - 18 seconds (verified by seismic records, which also did NOT capture any evidence of explosive detonation initiating the collapse).
I am very disappointed by Dr. Harrit's very sloppy attitude towards facts. I expect more from someone who claims to be a good scientist, but he seems to be just another truther.
alienentity 2 years ago
The video with WTC7´s collapse shows it takes no time!!! These 14-18 is seconds is a wild assumption. Why do you claim this???
alienspacecentereast 2 years ago
Please take a look at my WTC7 videos for a start.
The seismic record for WTC7 also shows 18 seconds duration.
6.5 seconds is simply untrue. Sorry!
alienentity 2 years ago
Hey listen, this is crap-talk. Only the facade (!!!), do you think I am fucking stupid or what? I don´t want your shit here and I fucking block you if there is comming more shit from you!
You people are debunked to death and you just continue to spread shit over the internet, which more looks like an agenda, a work setup just to mislead others. Don´t think you can rule me on that topic, I am not as far behind as you might think!
AND SEND ME THESE GOD DAMN LINKS, IS IT A PROBLEM FOR YOU OR..?
alienspacecentereast 2 years ago
I'm not going to respond to that kind of abuse.
Bye
alienentity 2 years ago
Well, You are a fucking tard..
buckland007 2 years ago
I think he was referring 6.5 secs to the third building; 47 storey & 186m.
openmindmbj 2 years ago
Yes, of course. But he is misleading people by refusing to include the actual start of the progressive collapse, which began much earlier and led to the PH collapse.
Being misleading is not good. It's bad.
alienentity 2 years ago
hahaha so what you're saying is that the collapse started to show up on seismic record before it physically started to collapse? DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS!?@# THAT MEANS THAT THERE WERE EXPLOSIONS IN THE BUILDING BEFORE IT STARTED TO PHYSICALLY COLLAPSE!!!
whitneyas 2 years ago
Nobody said that.
Nice try at distorting my words.
next.
alienentity 2 years ago
And also remember that the WTC7 collapse was a very complex one, that took several hours to develop.
What surprises me is that truthers don't even examine the video evidence carefully and accurately, then repeat false conclusions all over the internet.
That is not truth, it is myth-making. The truth is that WTC7 took at least 14 seconds to collapse, and it did so in several stages - the last stage was the facade, the first stage was column 79 and all the floors above.
alienentity 2 years ago
I should mention that there's nothing wrong with examining the chips and looking at their composition.
The problem comes IMHO when they make wild claims about the chips, without providing any real evidence to support the claims, nor any corroborating tests by independent, qualified scientists.
Then there is the problem of Bentham's which has some obviously very suspicious publishing peer-review practices.
The fact that a bogus paper was accepted is not promising.
alienentity 2 years ago
If you look carefully, I gave you two tinyurl links. Make sure you check both of them.
One of them links to the Jones paper scandal.
alienentity 2 years ago
Ehm, tiny URLs is new for me, how the !"#¤%&/()=? can I use them? What domain???
alienspacecentereast 2 years ago
The Jones/Harrit paper was published in Bentham Open Journals, a 'pay to play' outfit and very small player.
1) The chief editor of Bentham resigned in protest after the Jones' paper was published, because she didn't even see the paper.
2) A couple of scientists sent a spoof, nonsense paper to Bentham's, and it was accepted for publication.
tinyurl /npbnjt
Bentham's credibility is seriously in question for these reasons. Could it be a 'vanity' publication?
alienentity 2 years ago
It sounds weird that the chief editor resigned "because she didn't even see? the paper"..?
If I resign from a top position, I wanna know why I resign :)
Can you refer to this case, an article about?
Peace
alienspacecentereast 2 years ago
Peer review without peer review and oversight - hence the resignation.
'They have printed the article without my authorization' she said.
tinyurl n85c4u
June 12 2009, Editor of the 'Open Information Science Journal' resigned for accepting the fake paper.
tinyurl mbtosx
Also see my comments on Niels Harrit and nanothermite
watch?v=jL7xYx8M7GA
alienentity 2 years ago
Quote from thescientist*.com: "The editor-in-chief of an open access journal (Bentham Science Publishers) has stepped down from his post after learning that the journal accepted a fake, computer-generated article for publication."...
Not a word about the article on Nano-Thermite...
If you have a link to the source from where you got your information, please send it to me!
alienspacecentereast 2 years ago
Tandem:How do you explain the NIST reports failure to mention the tons of molten slag found under building seven(The one not hit by a plane) in contradiction to the Fema report ?
How do you explain the symmetrical collapse of a modern reinforced building that was over engineered to withstand the complete removal of many floors and keep standing ?
Id have you over for a Beer and BBQ to discuss it ,but im afraid the BBQ would collapse due to the Thermal expansion"
kept it to nice small words
spacetime345 2 years ago 2
willieofroanoke's account reaks of Bogusness-nearly 12000 videos watched and 1 favourite ? ! sub, probably him/her with a dummy account,Intellectual masturbation at it's finest ! Ignore the Zeros,stick with the Heros-
Keep up the good work
alienspacecentereast
ZerominiusOne 2 years ago 2
This comment has received too many negative votes show
You're just another ignorant fool that desperately wants to believe the government did it. I pity fools.
I guess fools serve some purpose, I just haven't figured out what purpose that is except maybe to entertain the rest of us. Thanks!
willieofroanoke 2 years ago
You describe your self fool, what can I say. I have had many discussions with people like you, and it´s the same flawed nonsens every time, like you have a protocol to follow, making a lot of posts, just to fill out the comment space.
As I said, you should get beaten with the witness accounts telling about explosions and be forced to take action against the 9/11 commision (who won´t speak with the witnesses), and fight for these people´s right to speak out and be heard!
alienspacecentereast 2 years ago
You like all kooks CHERRY PICK your "facts".
Today I totally trashed another conspiracy nut that claimed both CNN and BBC had beforehand knowledge of the WTC7 falling because they reported it live 23 minutes before it happened. Oops!
Well duh... the source of that misinformation was Reuters who admitted it was false rumor and retracted the story within minutes. That FACT of course the "truther" asswipes never include because it blows their conspiracy story out of the water.
willieofroanoke 2 years ago
Two minutes silence for Barry Jennings...
alienspacecentereast 2 years ago
What you call "documented facts" are made up 9/11 conspiracy kook faberications.
You can scream lies all day long like another boy cried wolf. Soon, nobody pays any attention to you.
willieofroanoke 2 years ago
I stop here, you are more stupid than I have expected, I should slap your face with all the witness accounts telling about explosions, among them 118 firefighters who heard and was blown by explosions in the buildings. Deny that and you are an idiot, sorry, but you are. So please fuck out of here and make a proper research before comming back here again, now enough with your nonsens, gosh
alienspacecentereast 2 years ago
In case you haven't noticed, you're losing the arugement... badly.
The Pentagon is far from being the most secure airspace. And no, there are no STA missles or any other defense.
Geez, where do you get your information or do you like most kooks just make stuff up?
willieofroanoke 2 years ago
Of course there are a lot of equipment, don´t try to fool people with that silly lie? It´s like you are trying to deny the existence of Pentagon...
Liar
alienspacecentereast 2 years ago
OK, so if you accept planes hit the towers, apply Occam's Razor principle. You claim to like science, so use it.
Basically it means any explanation of some phenomenon should make as few assumptions as possible, eliminating those that make no difference in the observable predictions of the explanatory hypothesis or theory.
Ergo, if Thermite brought the building down as you claim, then adding planes isn't necessary and is redundant.
willieofroanoke 2 years ago
Of course the airplanes was nescessary. What do you think would happen, if the buildings suddenly collapsed out of nowhere..? It gives no sense at all, so the airplanes was there to fool us and to serve as a "reason" why the buidings collapsed he he
alienspacecentereast 2 years ago
You seem to have little grasp of the fact that Occam's Razor is not a scientific principal. it is at best, a metaphysical assumption, a Sometimes useful heuristic preference, that actually has little empirical evidence for being a fundamental principal of logic. This is evidenced by the fact that the history of science shows that the simplest explanations often yield to complexities as new data becomes available-Ie particles of Nano Thermite ! Don't cherry pick your epistemology!
spacetime345 2 years ago 2
Agenda? No, just a hobby exposing 9/11 kooks. You're not the first to fall.
willieofroanoke 2 years ago
Why waste your time with a debunk attempts, when you can´t debunk the truth..? I am stunned...
alienspacecentereast 2 years ago
If there's a ocean of evidence, then you shouldn't have any trouble showing me some. You can do some simple caculations to confirm conspiracy theories are wacko.
The OK city federal building bombing took 6200 pounds of explosive. Most compute it woud have taken 30,000 or more pounds for EACH tower to implode the WTC towers.
Unless you can tell me HOW that was done you come off as a quack.
Besides ALL implosions begin on the grouond floor or basement. Show any proof of that happened.
willieofroanoke 2 years ago
Do you believe commerical airline flights hit WTC1 and WTC2?
A simple yes or no answer please.
willieofroanoke 2 years ago
I "believe" it was airplanes, but the second one hitting the south tower was apparantly not a commercial airliner.
alienspacecentereast 2 years ago
Let´s boil it down. You won´t accept obvious visible and documented facts around this 9/11 story. The 9/11 Commsion Report have major flaws everybody with a bit sense can see! You are trying hard to promote a lie so obvious, that it just can´t be true :)
alienspacecentereast 2 years ago
Exactly the kind of non answer I expected. You conspiracy nuts are all alike. You scream consipriacy all day long then when asked to explain even the simpler aspects regarding how they might have pulled it off your run away.
Pay attention. You are the one screaming it was a conspiracy, so the burden to prove your theory has merit falls on you.
You fail for the same reason the nutty professor does. Anyone can say anyhing. Proving it is something else.
willieofroanoke 2 years ago
You asking me questions even YOU can´t explain, so stop that shit man - another stupid trick which reveal your agenda.
alienspacecentereast 2 years ago
Answer my questions if you can.
willieofroanoke 2 years ago
How can you fx blind believe, that Pentagon, which have the worlds most secure airspace, could be attacked? Why didn´t Pentagon react on FAA´s calls and why did Rumsfeldt change the protocol for pentagons air defense to a very slow one 3 months before 9/11, while all these indications of a comming terror attack was ongoing..? No sense at all.
And Larry "Pull-it" Silverstein... ohh I can go on and on and on forever, and you could do the same if you opened your eyes for God sake.
alienspacecentereast 2 years ago
Where did these conspircy guys buy their Thermite from? Name the source.
Show us the purchase order, invoices.
Tell us how the Thermite was brought to the WTC.
Which columns exactly was it used on?
Why didn't anyone see?
Explain in details how Thermite would implode a building.
Those are simple basic questions. Lets see your answers.
How long does it take to "cut" a column.
willieofroanoke 2 years ago
How the f... can I in the world explain you how they got this into the buildings and how they rigged the buildings? Ask the involved who did this shit to the buidlings!
I know your attempt to run this discussion off the tracks, so don´t fool me with that shit! You have the science to rely on, and I am not a scientists, sorry...
Tell me what documentaries you have seen about 9/11, I am very curious...
You should see "Debunking 9/11 Debunking" by David Ray Griffin.
alienspacecentereast 2 years ago
And why didn´t anyone see? You see, some witnesses have spoken about "workers" with toolboxes with cables sticking out. You could work unseen between the floors and in the elevator shafts. And what about the major powerout for 36 hours a week before 9/11.
But this is hopeless my friend, you have an ocean of evidence, that 9/11 was orchestrated by people in US government, but you go to the official explanation, which have been debunked to death..?
alienspacecentereast 2 years ago
You keep tap dancing around a clear and obvious fact. Why hasn't Harrit been interviewed by main stream meda or published in any mainstream scientific publications?
You only have the most flimsy excuse, the authorites are trying to hide something.
That's pure kook speak.
Laughable.
willieofroanoke 2 years ago
Willie, the mainstream media are controlled by the same assholes that destroyed WTC. Get it in your thick head. And there is no way in hell planes brought down the towers. You need to research a bit morebefore you sprout any more bullshit!!!!! Idiot!
stevcolx 2 years ago
The thermite theory fails on several levels the simplest is just understanding what would be involved to set things in motion. Tens of tons of Thermite secretly planted in columns behind walls in private offices. Hear me laughing? Worse thermite itself is not an explosive, rather a chemical reaction, not at all suited to controlled split second implosion of a 110 story building. Then you need to either reject there were planes or explain their purpose. You can't.
willieofroanoke 2 years ago
One of the insane claims in the 9/11 commision report is, that the towers was held up primary by the exterior walls, and not the interior core, which the commision claimed was a "hollow steel shaft", and that is a BIG FAT LIE.
NIST are setting the safety standards for constructions like WTC, but when they won´t tell us what exactly happend to the buildings, you have to evacuate all such buildings in the world immidiately, because they may collapse...
But nothing happens..?
alienspacecentereast 2 years ago
You keep assuming facts not in evidence. There is absolutely zero PROOF of any conspiracy. Only kook theories that are easily disproved.
willieofroanoke 2 years ago
I've read the 200 page plus offical NIST report.
Have you?
willieofroanoke 2 years ago
Stop using the state sponsored info sources to base your opinion about 9/11 on, you just get lost in the jungle of lies, and you show clear sign of that. I hope you wake up some day.
You should check out the security company in WTC, the company with Bush´s brother as director. They had the job to secure the safety in these buildings up to 9/11.
alienspacecentereast 2 years ago
UFO's, Big Foot, global warming cults and that's all they are, all claim expertise of their followers. Once you begin to strip down their claims their stories quickly crumble. Surpise, I download and read the professor's paper a couple days ago. Interesting for sure and well written... but it has gapping holes, lacks evidence and makes huge leaps in it's unfounded conclusions. The likey reason he was rejected by mainstream publications and 99.5% of his peers.
willieofroanoke 2 years ago
You can easily strip down claims with other claims, no matter if they are true or not. It is being used every day on a big scale to prevent the truth to come out. Remember, the people behind 9/11 don´t want to be caught in their own shit, and when they control the government and the media, they can make their lies come true!
And you talk about "gapping holes" oh my God..! -you have a very good example of that in the 9/11 Commision Report, the report that has created a Monthy Python idiocracy
alienspacecentereast 2 years ago
You're a raving lunantic just like all the other 9/11 truther nuts. Nobody controls me. I also happen to have a IQ of 170.
Want to play some more? Bring it on.
willieofroanoke 2 years ago
I sense hard feelings out of control. The ridicule and dirty language tells it all and shows how serious and "scientific" your are...
You have your nonsens against a massive network of all kinds of people, high and low, airline pilots with 30 years of experience, government officials, military and intelligence agencies, FAA, firefighters, resque workers, police officers, demolition experts, scientists and so on. Why do you close your eyes for that..?
alienspacecentereast 2 years ago
You can have higher IQ than all of us together, but what does it help if you don´t wanna see all aspects of a case..?
alienspacecentereast 2 years ago
I must agree, you have some issues you should work on.
Willie Foe, remember you have some big interest here and big interest create big motivations.
If you studying interviews, with a basic knowledge of body language, understandning of human greed, a banksters mind set, the psykologi of the average politesions, how huge medias works in the 20 century. Then you will feel, that something stinks.
Remember if you read a report (important) tjek your source out, remember interest.
Keunono 2 years ago 2
You just confirmed you are nothing but another kook yourself by disputing global warming.
Poinless trying to educate you turkeys, so I'll stop trying. Enjoy your delusional lives.
willieofroanoke 2 years ago
You confirmed from the very start that you are in total control by the same people and network of criminals behind 9/11.
You eat their shit as a turkey without a head. If you open your eyes and look away from the official non-scientific story, you will see a much greater spectrum of what is going on. You will then see you have been lied to.
Global warming is a hoax exactly as 9/11. All planets in our solar system gets warmer, it´s not only the earth. The cause of that is the Sun...
alienspacecentereast 2 years ago
What's wrong with the Thermite conspiracy theory is for starters the nutty professor admits to have collected the dust samples from total stangers and accordingly the chain of evidence is broken right at the start. Who knows what some other nut gave this nut or why. Like most kook theories it quickly falls apart under closer inspection.
Then you have to add in that all the world class scientists that wrote the offical reports are lying or just plain stupid. That's even harder to swallow.
willieofroanoke 2 years ago
I believe we will see an official denial with the help from a panel of scientists, bound to debunk this new scientific knowledge and not to investigate the facts with a proper scientific analysis. They will state something like "the thermite material was a part of the "coating mixture" on the steelbeams in all three buildings". Maybe they develop the story and shock the world with the statement, that this mixture amazingly WAS the actual cause to the collapses, because it ignited...
alienspacecentereast 2 years ago
My point which you seem to gloss over is if what the professor had to say had any creditability then the major scientific publications as well as world wide news media would be all over it like white on rice. Because that has NOT happened and it's now atmost a week after the fact this is clearly some crackpot needing to pay to be publish his BS. To put into context its like some flat-earther trying to spout his theory the world his flat. He won't get taken seriously nor should he.
willieofroanoke 2 years ago
-and you must know, that the global warming hoax was promoted by strong economic powers with the Rothchild family as major sponsor. Because of their power, they forced this lie through the same major scientific publications and world wide news media...
alienspacecentereast 2 years ago
Another doctor has this to say about Bentham:
" they makes money by charging authors publication fees. The non-scientist readers of this blog may not realize this, but mainstream academic/scientific journals do not charge fees to authors. So to see the fees so baldly laid out is pretty shocking; e.g., $900 to publish a review article. That's a vanity press!"
willieofroanoke 2 years ago
Okay, but you are talking about the website, not the new article. You do the classic one, attack the messenger :)
I agree that this affiliate system will have a negative effect, cause organisations, governments and corporations can bombard these open access websites with articles designed to promote their politics, products and so on.
alienspacecentereast 2 years ago
Those interested in checking into this scam can Google "A new model for open access: the pyramid scheme" where some medical doctor was approached by the same company that published the nutty professor to become Editor-in-Chief of The Open Demography Journal. You see Betham Science Publication runs hundreds of online vanity press operations and some well known scientists were taken in and now they're pissed and exposing this crap.
Do you dare learn the TRUTH?
willieofroanoke 2 years ago
Independant and crazy as a loon are two differnt things.
The "publication" this clown was "published" in is regarded as Vanity Press. In other words the author (the professor in this case) pays, then they publish. Several scientists in other fields have a lot to say about the company offering this service which is only a few minutes away if you know how to use Google. Those articles explain how they were approached to do peer review.
Space limitation here prevent going further.
willieofroanoke 2 years ago
Thanks for uploading.
Danish scientist are highly respected
around the world, often independant, and they are not dependent on all the fundings, such as f.ex
the americans and the japanese.
PolarBeamz 2 years ago
Obviously after just reading English sub text the nutty professor's comments show he's just another raving loon.
No wonder no respectable publication wants anything to do with this nut job.
willieofroanoke 2 years ago
They would have to buy the thermite from ship and store it, workers making the thermite, truck drivers keeping quite, then dozens to plant the charges, drill holes, stand guard, ,the demolition experts, all their wifes, girl friends, Then all the workers shifting through the debris, truck driver hauling it away, the barge workers, nobody ever sees anything. That's so lame it isn't worth taking further. Conspiracy theories fall under their own weight because they're so crazy to begin with.
willieofroanoke 2 years ago
Same one seems to fit.
He couldn't get published either. I have a awful hard time accepting that career scientists, engineers are going to lie for the government. That's who put the various reports together.
Even if you get 10 to go along what about the other 100 or 1,000 that won't? The kooks probably would say they're in concentration camps or were killed or some other nonsense. The point is any grand conspiracy would simply be too big to work and someone ALWAYS talks.
willieofroanoke 2 years ago
Here's the thing... If what this professor found has even a hint of truth to it then the world wide news media would be beating down his door to interview him and he would be all over TV. That he can't even get published by any of the dozens of real scientific jourals speaks volumes.
willieofroanoke 2 years ago
Willie
Do you have any counter argument to Jones video analysis: watch?v=ezIU6ZxYU3A
Or his Steven E Jones presentation at PNAC event in UT, (google video under that title)?
sugarpuddin88 2 years ago
You seem intelligent and you should know
who owns most of the world wide news media.
Just do some research...
PolarBeamz 2 years ago
Well its like someobdy sending away to some web site to get a phony degee to pretend to be an attorney or doctor.
If this guy has to PAY to get "published" that sadly for him totally blows any creditability.
The question becomes IF this professor really found something and his "evidence" was so overwhelming, why hasn't any acredited and actually professional organization published his work?
Answer that.
willieofroanoke 2 years ago
Adelphis analysis of NIST report; Furlong & Rosss seismic data analysis
Legg & Szambotis analysis, (& Szambotis Controlled Demolition Study); Lobdills thermite evidence
Moores thermite statements; Environmental Health Labs analysis; Kuttlers mathematical computations
FDNYs oral histories
S&J Scientifics WTC High Temp analysis
sugarpuddin88 2 years ago
Uof Iowa & SeaLane Consultings Direct Evidence of Controlled Internal Explosions; Greenings Momentum Analysis, (& reply thereto)
Jones report of WTC thermite arson, & Using Scientific Method on 911, & Why did WTCs completely collapse; Ryans High Velocity Bursts of Debris, & Top Ten Connections between NIST & thermite
Ross Momentum Transfer Analysis, & Evaluation of NISTs report, (NIST & Dr Bazant A simultaneous failure); Douglass evaluation of NIST report
sugarpuddin88 2 years ago
Willie - In re: Journal of 911 Studies
Do you have any comments refuting the findings of BYUs Physics: Analysis of molten steel by thermite on WTC; Logical Systems Consultings acceleration analysis; & Proof of Explosive Demolition, & their report Evidence for Controlled Demolition
Urichs Analysis of Mass & PE of WTC1; Jones v Robertson; Jenkins Demolition Contrary Evidence, & Solving the Great Steel Caper
sugarpuddin88 2 years ago
The point is neither Jones or Harrit is RESPECTED enough by their fellow scientists to get published in any of the respected scientific journals and needed to restort to some vanity press. Both funny and sad.
In the real world exposing that is called a slam dunk. The "truthers" sitll don't get it. They have no respect and don't deserve any either when they pull those kind of stunts.
willieofroanoke 2 years ago
I really don´t know where you wanna go with your statements? No matter if they are respected or not, they are still scientists and they do their job exactly as other scientists should do, and we all should pay attention to them, because they serve you and me with facts. Just this censorship of science should wake you up to understand, that something is not right! So, are you a believer of the official conspiracy theory..?
alienspacecentereast 2 years ago
I love to blow these crackpots out of the water. It seems the dear professor "published" his finding in the
The "Open Chemical Physics Journal"
Well guess what that rag is nothing but some vanity press scam ANYONE with $800 to throw away can have his shit published in, no quesitons asked.
Peer review my ass.
Just sent a certifed check or give your credit card number and you too can "scientifically" claim any shit your want to stoke your ego.
willieofroanoke 2 years ago
Yeah, if you can pay you can do everything, just like they did to the people in the 9/11 commision, payed them to do the most shitty work the world have ever seen. Why do you think they publish this article in "The Open Chemical Physics Journal"? You should know, that Steven E. Jones research was censored. If your work is being censored, what do you do? You find another source to get it out..!
You skeptics, you need to learn to respect science, that is the purpose of science, is that clear???
alienspacecentereast 2 years ago
I am an American and so many other Americans believe that 9/11 was done by OUR government and other government. What is sadder than that is, THERE IS NOT A DAMN THING WE CAN DO TO BRING THESE GOVERNMENTS TO JUSTICE...Even sadder is trying to tell those that dont believe it that it is true and they say OUR governments would not do that....so sad they are not awake to all this...Peace my friend, great vid...c
grchacha 2 years ago 2
Thermite 100%
spellgrounds 2 years ago
There is some great footage of the thermite actually cutting through the steel beams just before the WTC comes down
6 mos before 911, Larry Silverstein, miraculously acquired the lease on WTC - He got it for a "steal" because it needed 100 million in renovations, (asbestos). But rather than renovate, Silverstein told NYFD commander he had decided to "pull" WTC7, and then filed a claim for 7.1 billion a few months later!
sugarpuddin88 2 years ago 2
That´s not all of it, Larry "Pull-it" Silverstein has also asked for bail-out...
alienspacecentereast 2 years ago
What is Silverstein needing a "bail-out" for?
Do you have a link to any news story on that one?
sugarpuddin88 2 years ago