@lewiskeizer "How then can a relation be represented between Him and what is other than He when there is no notion comprising in any respect both of the two, inasmuch as existence is, in our opinion, affirmed of Him, may He be exalted, and of what is other than He merely by way of absolute equivocation. There is, in truth, no relation in any respect between Him and any of His creatures."
@lewiskeizer "Ein Sof is a place to which forgetting and oblivion pertain. Why? Because concerning all the sefirot, one can search out their reality from the depth of supernal wisdom. From there it is possible to understand one thing from another. However, concerning Ein Sof, there is no aspect anywhere to search or probe; nothing can be known of it, for it is hidden and concealed in the mystery of absolute nothingness."— David ben Judah Hehasid, Matt (1990)
@GazGuitarz The Abba of Yeshua is allegorical. Godhead does not exist, but is infinitely real and substands reality. Infinitely transcendent, infinitely immanent--allegorized as Father and Mother, but not male or female--not anthropomorphic (rather, humanity is theomorphic at its root). Godhead is Source, Progenitor, Parent. But not simply patriarchal Father, as NT Greek Pater and the entire Judeo-Islamo-Christian tradition assumes.
@lewiskeizer ’Abba’ is clearly cognate with the Hebrew word ’ab (pronounced ’ahv), "Father." More specifically, it would be cognate to the Hebrew word with the definite article, ha’ab ("the Father"), because the ending -a’ on the Aramaic makes it a determined or definite noun. Hence, the translation could be "the Father" or "my Father" of just "Father." The Jewish Talmud itself talks about the child learning to say ’abba’ and ’imma’, clearly, two different things.
@lewiskeizer The word ’Abba came to be applied as a title of honor to the rabbis in the early centuries of the Common Era & is found as such in the Babylonian Talmud. Are you saying that the rabbi's were androgynous? I must admit, this has become a stickier point than I first thought. However 90+% of literature on the subject defines Abba as Father. Y'shua even uses the double term, Abba, Father in the Garden of Gethsemane in Matthew. Father/Mother, Father doesn't make a lot of sense.
@GazGuitarz To repeat, “The Holy Spirit (Heb. feminine Ruach Ha-Qodesh) opened Her bosom, and mixed the milk of the two breasts of the Abba.” Ode of Solomon 19. This Ode is contemporary with Yeshua, who said, "Call no one Abba, for you have one Abba in the heavens." Nevertheless early Christian usage was to call a spiritual leader Abba or Apa (cf.Tibetan Rinpoche). Yeshua had a special meaning for Abba not found in rabbinic Judaism or vernacular usage. The Abba was not a deity, but Godhead.
@lewiskeizer Wouldn't that make it Abma? Fascinating topic by the way. Personally, I have no Christian dogma, but am wary of gnostism and its many. I merely hold to a strong belief, based upon the existing evidence, that the Hebrew scribes went to great length, to avoid pagan ideology from appearing in scripture. Therefore, to adopt the ancient pagan and mystery school belief of an androgynous male/female deity, makes little sense. God is Spirit, he has no form.
@lewiskeizer The ancient hebrew root 'AM' is mother. Ox (aleph) and Water(mem). Strong Water = Glue that holds together = Mother, the one who binds the family together.
@lewiskeizer One must not forget that the Father is Spirit. He has no 'material' form. Yeshua was the perfect manifestation of the Father's character, not form.
@GazGuitarz One must remember that Shekinah, Hochmah, the Ruach Ha-Emeth, and the Ruach Ha-Qodesh (Jewish forms of the Christian "Holy Spirit") are all FEMININE aspects of Godhead. Look into the Second Temple Jewish proto-kabbalistic haggadah about Adonai (masculine) and Matronit (feminine) aspects of Godhead that have sacred intercourse on Shabbat. The Godhead of Yeshua and his contemporary Jewish Wisdom tradition was far less simplistic than your Christian father deity.
@lewiskeizer - Sorry, I didn't intend to be reactionary. Just pointing out that your interpretation of scripture, is closely aligned with New Age Theosophical teachings. Using Jewish mystic sources ie: Kabbala to support your interpretation, is a rocky road to tread. The Father/Mother interpretation has been discredited by reputable sources. I agree with much of what is presented here, but rocks in one's feet, can lead to the borrowing of another's sandals.
@GazGuitarz Gaz, Or is it that Theosophical teachings are better aligned with Yeshua's historical teachings than Christian dogma? Hebrew ab (father) plus the feminine ending -ba (i.e., Abba) was used by Yeshua and other Jewish sages of his era to allegorize the idea of Godhead as shalem. Same with angels (whole, undivided into sexes). One who merits the qimah ("resurrection") after death becomes "like unto the angels," who neither "marry nor are given in marriage," (androgynous, whole).
Very nice Scriptural transformation of Theosophical Principles. It all appears to fit nicely into the New Age philosophical rational. Follow the Yellow Brick Road to Utopia. So sociopath's will be the dominant breed in this new aeon? I agree that the historical Christ indeed taught much of what you have outlined, but I must question the 'transformation' process that is described here. I also disagree with your interpretation ie: 'Father/Mother'. This is not supported by academia.
@GazGuitarz Gaz, Leaving your reactionary comments aside, you also "disagree with your interpretation ie: 'Father/Mother'. This is not supported by academia." For Yeshua, Godhead was not a deity. Rather, Godhead was the eternal Abba.
The semitic root ab- had the general connotation of a panoply of fruits sprung from a single root, branch, or source and was the meaning behind Hebrew ab, “father.” In human terms the ab was the progenitor, lineage-source, protector, and nurturer.
The term was gender-specific only in contrast to em or im, “mother.” In Aramaic the intimate words for father and mother were Abba and Imma. But Abba was used by Jewish mystics to address the kabbalistic androgynous or Father-Mother Godhead. That was probably because in kabbalistic interpretation Abba could be analyzed as a feminine form of the Hebrew word for Father.
Yeshua never referred to “God,” but to “the Father (Mother).” Abba was an allegorical name for eternal Godhead.
Jewish mystic literature described the Abba or Father-Mother poetically in terms of a divine androgyne or male-female. In the Odes of Solomon we find abstract images of the androgynous Godhead: “The Holy Spirit opened Her bosom, and mixed the milk of the two breasts of the Father.” Ode 19. Here the Abba is also identified with the feminine Ruach Ha-Qodesh or Holy Spirit. This Ode is contemporary with Yeshua and his usage. FOR REST OF COMMENT, START WITH THE ONE BEGINNING GAZ BELOW AND READ UP.
I have a question, please answer when you get the chance. Can one enter heaven if in thier heart they have not forgave someone who has hurt them. Lets say this individual has not fargave thier father for the cruelity the father has shown them in thier life. But this individual has God in thier heart. Is this individual saved? Can they reap what they do not sow?
To forgive means to release. It doesn't require the offender to ask for forgiveness. It requires the person sinned against to stop reacting, being hurt, hating. If he will release himself from those feelings--not repress or deny them, but just decide to stop reacting and making a big deal about the injustices-- he also releases the offender from the invisible and inevitable consequences of his sin (what goes around, comes around).
CONT: If he refuses to release himself and the other, then he imprisons himself in his own hell, but if he releases himself and the other, then he frees himself for happiness in both this live and the life after death. That's what Yeshua taught. It's also what Buddhism and modern psychology teaches. Being "saved" means being released from your own self-created spiritual prison--not being saved from the cruelty of others. You can't control their bad intentions, but you CAN control your own.
Thank you so much. I learned a good amount from your two videos about forgiveness. Im glad you took the time and effort to make them.
What do you mean when you say, " frees himself for happiness ..the life after death." Does this mean the forgivness of sin is a prerequiste to enter heaven?
I appreciate your response and that you use your knowledge and time in helping others.
@lewiskeizer "How then can a relation be represented between Him and what is other than He when there is no notion comprising in any respect both of the two, inasmuch as existence is, in our opinion, affirmed of Him, may He be exalted, and of what is other than He merely by way of absolute equivocation. There is, in truth, no relation in any respect between Him and any of His creatures."
— Maimonides, Moreh Nevuchim (Pines 1963)
GazGuitarz 5 months ago
@lewiskeizer "Ein Sof is a place to which forgetting and oblivion pertain. Why? Because concerning all the sefirot, one can search out their reality from the depth of supernal wisdom. From there it is possible to understand one thing from another. However, concerning Ein Sof, there is no aspect anywhere to search or probe; nothing can be known of it, for it is hidden and concealed in the mystery of absolute nothingness."— David ben Judah Hehasid, Matt (1990)
GazGuitarz 5 months ago
@lewiskeizer Do you mean God-as-He-is-in-Himself? There are several lines of thought about 'Godhead'.
GazGuitarz 5 months ago
@GazGuitarz The Abba of Yeshua is allegorical. Godhead does not exist, but is infinitely real and substands reality. Infinitely transcendent, infinitely immanent--allegorized as Father and Mother, but not male or female--not anthropomorphic (rather, humanity is theomorphic at its root). Godhead is Source, Progenitor, Parent. But not simply patriarchal Father, as NT Greek Pater and the entire Judeo-Islamo-Christian tradition assumes.
lewiskeizer 5 months ago
@lewiskeizer ’Abba’ is clearly cognate with the Hebrew word ’ab (pronounced ’ahv), "Father." More specifically, it would be cognate to the Hebrew word with the definite article, ha’ab ("the Father"), because the ending -a’ on the Aramaic makes it a determined or definite noun. Hence, the translation could be "the Father" or "my Father" of just "Father." The Jewish Talmud itself talks about the child learning to say ’abba’ and ’imma’, clearly, two different things.
GazGuitarz 5 months ago
@lewiskeizer The word ’Abba came to be applied as a title of honor to the rabbis in the early centuries of the Common Era & is found as such in the Babylonian Talmud. Are you saying that the rabbi's were androgynous? I must admit, this has become a stickier point than I first thought. However 90+% of literature on the subject defines Abba as Father. Y'shua even uses the double term, Abba, Father in the Garden of Gethsemane in Matthew. Father/Mother, Father doesn't make a lot of sense.
GazGuitarz 5 months ago
@GazGuitarz To repeat, “The Holy Spirit (Heb. feminine Ruach Ha-Qodesh) opened Her bosom, and mixed the milk of the two breasts of the Abba.” Ode of Solomon 19. This Ode is contemporary with Yeshua, who said, "Call no one Abba, for you have one Abba in the heavens." Nevertheless early Christian usage was to call a spiritual leader Abba or Apa (cf.Tibetan Rinpoche). Yeshua had a special meaning for Abba not found in rabbinic Judaism or vernacular usage. The Abba was not a deity, but Godhead.
lewiskeizer 5 months ago
@lewiskeizer Wouldn't that make it Abma? Fascinating topic by the way. Personally, I have no Christian dogma, but am wary of gnostism and its many. I merely hold to a strong belief, based upon the existing evidence, that the Hebrew scribes went to great length, to avoid pagan ideology from appearing in scripture. Therefore, to adopt the ancient pagan and mystery school belief of an androgynous male/female deity, makes little sense. God is Spirit, he has no form.
GazGuitarz 5 months ago
@GazGuitarz No. Hebrew adds -aleph or -ah and doubles the final consonant. Ab becomes Ab-ba, Am becomes Am-ma in this case.
lewiskeizer 5 months ago
@lewiskeizer The ancient hebrew root 'AM' is mother. Ox (aleph) and Water(mem). Strong Water = Glue that holds together = Mother, the one who binds the family together.
GazGuitarz 5 months ago
@GazGuitarz Correct, and in Aramaic IM as in Imma, with feminine ending -ma.
lewiskeizer 5 months ago
@lewiskeizer One must not forget that the Father is Spirit. He has no 'material' form. Yeshua was the perfect manifestation of the Father's character, not form.
GazGuitarz 5 months ago
@GazGuitarz One must remember that Shekinah, Hochmah, the Ruach Ha-Emeth, and the Ruach Ha-Qodesh (Jewish forms of the Christian "Holy Spirit") are all FEMININE aspects of Godhead. Look into the Second Temple Jewish proto-kabbalistic haggadah about Adonai (masculine) and Matronit (feminine) aspects of Godhead that have sacred intercourse on Shabbat. The Godhead of Yeshua and his contemporary Jewish Wisdom tradition was far less simplistic than your Christian father deity.
lewiskeizer 5 months ago
@lewiskeizer - Sorry, I didn't intend to be reactionary. Just pointing out that your interpretation of scripture, is closely aligned with New Age Theosophical teachings. Using Jewish mystic sources ie: Kabbala to support your interpretation, is a rocky road to tread. The Father/Mother interpretation has been discredited by reputable sources. I agree with much of what is presented here, but rocks in one's feet, can lead to the borrowing of another's sandals.
GazGuitarz 5 months ago
@GazGuitarz Gaz, Or is it that Theosophical teachings are better aligned with Yeshua's historical teachings than Christian dogma? Hebrew ab (father) plus the feminine ending -ba (i.e., Abba) was used by Yeshua and other Jewish sages of his era to allegorize the idea of Godhead as shalem. Same with angels (whole, undivided into sexes). One who merits the qimah ("resurrection") after death becomes "like unto the angels," who neither "marry nor are given in marriage," (androgynous, whole).
lewiskeizer 5 months ago
Very nice Scriptural transformation of Theosophical Principles. It all appears to fit nicely into the New Age philosophical rational. Follow the Yellow Brick Road to Utopia. So sociopath's will be the dominant breed in this new aeon? I agree that the historical Christ indeed taught much of what you have outlined, but I must question the 'transformation' process that is described here. I also disagree with your interpretation ie: 'Father/Mother'. This is not supported by academia.
GazGuitarz 5 months ago
@GazGuitarz Gaz, Leaving your reactionary comments aside, you also "disagree with your interpretation ie: 'Father/Mother'. This is not supported by academia." For Yeshua, Godhead was not a deity. Rather, Godhead was the eternal Abba.
The semitic root ab- had the general connotation of a panoply of fruits sprung from a single root, branch, or source and was the meaning behind Hebrew ab, “father.” In human terms the ab was the progenitor, lineage-source, protector, and nurturer.
lewiskeizer 5 months ago
The term was gender-specific only in contrast to em or im, “mother.” In Aramaic the intimate words for father and mother were Abba and Imma. But Abba was used by Jewish mystics to address the kabbalistic androgynous or Father-Mother Godhead. That was probably because in kabbalistic interpretation Abba could be analyzed as a feminine form of the Hebrew word for Father.
Yeshua never referred to “God,” but to “the Father (Mother).” Abba was an allegorical name for eternal Godhead.
lewiskeizer 5 months ago
Jewish mystic literature described the Abba or Father-Mother poetically in terms of a divine androgyne or male-female. In the Odes of Solomon we find abstract images of the androgynous Godhead: “The Holy Spirit opened Her bosom, and mixed the milk of the two breasts of the Father.” Ode 19. Here the Abba is also identified with the feminine Ruach Ha-Qodesh or Holy Spirit. This Ode is contemporary with Yeshua and his usage. FOR REST OF COMMENT, START WITH THE ONE BEGINNING GAZ BELOW AND READ UP.
lewiskeizer 5 months ago
I have a question, please answer when you get the chance. Can one enter heaven if in thier heart they have not forgave someone who has hurt them. Lets say this individual has not fargave thier father for the cruelity the father has shown them in thier life. But this individual has God in thier heart. Is this individual saved? Can they reap what they do not sow?
SNIPEQUEST 2 years ago
To forgive means to release. It doesn't require the offender to ask for forgiveness. It requires the person sinned against to stop reacting, being hurt, hating. If he will release himself from those feelings--not repress or deny them, but just decide to stop reacting and making a big deal about the injustices-- he also releases the offender from the invisible and inevitable consequences of his sin (what goes around, comes around).
lewiskeizer 2 years ago
CONT: If he refuses to release himself and the other, then he imprisons himself in his own hell, but if he releases himself and the other, then he frees himself for happiness in both this live and the life after death. That's what Yeshua taught. It's also what Buddhism and modern psychology teaches. Being "saved" means being released from your own self-created spiritual prison--not being saved from the cruelty of others. You can't control their bad intentions, but you CAN control your own.
lewiskeizer 2 years ago
Thank you so much. I learned a good amount from your two videos about forgiveness. Im glad you took the time and effort to make them.
What do you mean when you say, " frees himself for happiness ..the life after death." Does this mean the forgivness of sin is a prerequiste to enter heaven?
I appreciate your response and that you use your knowledge and time in helping others.
SNIPEQUEST 2 years ago
Thank you greatly !
zappaelcrappa 3 years ago