Salmond's Shite Paper vs. Scottish National Independence

[MegaPaul71]

I would gladly give Scotland it's freedom...on one condition....

you take George Galloway back and never let him out or near a radio or television camera again!!!

thats a fair deal :)

[ScottishRepublican]

@theinfinatetroll You'd be most welcome to join us in the For Freedom Forums at FIGH.TK

I note that I have already invited you to register a username with us, in my message to you of 10/06/2011 - don't delay, join today, and start posting your comments in the forums.

[JohnPurchaseArt]

As long as we're in the EU none of us have independence...SNP is a pro EU internationalist party.

[ScottishRepublican]

@JohnPurchaseArt The SNP has never supported the independence of the Scottish nation from a kingdom ruled by the Union crown of the realm of Queen Elizabeth.

The SNP doesn't defend the rights of Scots to elect our own head of state, never mind the rights of other nations so in no way is the SNP "internationalist".

Rather the SNP is an anti-nationalist imperialist party.

The imposed monarch is what denies us independence.

The enemy is Queen Elizabeth.

The EU is irrelevant.

[ScottishRepublican]

I need to say this again folks. This is not the best place to discuss these important matters, the For Freedom Forums is a much better discussion and comment forum.

Please register a username with the For Freedom Forums. Comment there in preference to here.

Website address "FIGH. TK"

[1966thewallace]

The queen is only relevant to sad orange men in scotland ,she is the least of our worries ,a free nationis more important get a grip dont lose sight of the bigger picture when we are free then we can lose the royals .

[ScottishRepublican]

@1966thewallace Wrong the Queen is the biggest of our worries. This is true for any nation in the world wherever she is head of state.

You have been sold a lie that "WE" would be free under Salmond's shite paper referendum plan. "WE" won't be free. SALMOND will be the only person who is free.

For the Scots to be free we need to hold the state accountable and insist that the police and courts defend our freedoms and stop denying outspoken Scots our freedoms like they always have.

[MisterScottishPerson]

And look what happened last week. Probably a call to remove this video...

[ScottishRepublican]

@MisterScottishPerson Salmond's Shite Paper is still a shite paper even if Scots vote for the SNP; even if Scots vote for the rigged referendum the shite paper proposes.

The Queen is a shite head of state; she lets her ministers do ANYTHING. That means the rights of Scots are not guaranteed and we are at the mercy of a royalist fascist police state known as "the crown".

Do you want to live in a Salmond dictatorship where we are all his slaves or get jailed, killed or sectioned?

[MrScottishJamie]

without scottish independence the yes or no vote for the queen will never happen

[ScottishStandard]

@MrScottishJamie True but Salmond's Shite Paper denies us Scottish independence because even a "yes" vote for Salmond's referendum does not deliver true independence but more DEPENDENCE on the Queen.

The only way to Scottish independence is to ban, exile, arrest, execute or assassinate the Queen and her family - and I don't mind which because the sooner she is gone the sooner we will be independent.

Anyway, this should be debated in the For Freedom Forums - figh. tk not here.

[pluto4847]

@Tam1297

I heard it from a friend of mine, called Nero. He works in the off license, alcohol industry. Scotch whiskey is now the worst seller of all time. The 900 ,million is revenue lost from Scottish tourism, and Scottish goods not selling very well. Its all statistical.

I mean as I said, if customers are not happy, they don't have to buy the products.

There's no law saying people should buy products made and produced in Scotland.

[strathpipe]

@pluto4847 You spelt Whisky wrong(whiskey) Whisky Scotch Whiskey Irish.....dear o F'n dear

[scottishrebal95]

great video

BRITS OUT SCOTS IN

[ScottishStandard]

@scottishrebal95 Wrong because some Scots are Britons. If you put Britons out it means putting Scots out of Scotland - a crime against the Scottish nation which would make you a vile traitor and enemy of Scots. So don't say that, instead say "QUEEN OUT, SCOTS IN, BRITONS IN".

The fact that you are not even blaming the Queen means you don't sound like a Scottish rebel at all, but a royalist lackey traitor Queen's loyalist parrot like Salmond.

[GLORD99092]

I agree Scottish independence is the way forward but there has been a few reports that suggest most (74%) Scots would rather remain in the UK, whether thats true or not im not sure,

but we would need the majority of the Scottish voters to vote SNP first, because they are the only party for Scottish independence just now,

I have a friend who is Scottish born and is 3 quaters Scot 1 quater Indian, lived in Scotland all his life too, would you say thats enough to qualify him as Scottish?

[ScottishRepublican]

GLORD99092 - It is not "independence" if we must retain the Queen.

No it doesn't take a majority of the Scottish voters now - just a significant minority of the fighting soldiers of Scotland who could use any means necessary to remove the Queen from Scotland and take us towards an independence vote we can win

Queen Elizabeth is 4 quarters the enemy of Scots.

Your friend is Scottish and a loyal Scot unless he supports the Queen in which case he is a traitor like Alex Salmond.

[GLORD99092]

@ScottishRepublican

Thanks for your comment, but are you saying if a referendum got the go ahead and became a reality that most of the Scots would not need to say yes to independence and that its all just down to getting the queen out?

Is the queen not part Scottish?

Im not in favour of the queen ruling Scotland but What difference does it make weather she remains head of state or not?

[pluto4847]

@GLORD99092

But will it be independent? Already Scotland is estimated to lose $900 million dollars worth of revenue from Angry American tourists? How is Scotland going to recover their losses whilst the boycott is going on?

I suppose its like shopping at a supermarket, if custumers are not happy they will shop elsewhere? Does Scotland have a plan to recover lost ties with their former friend America, or can they survive without? What are your thoughts? Thanks.

[ScottishRepublican]

ELONut - The direction away from absolute monarchy and towards republicanism was set by leading Scots in the Declaration of Arbroath in 1320.

But instead of building upon that early lead towards the promise of a democratically accountable elected head of state, a president of a Scottish republic, the Scots were betrayed by generations of sell-out monarchist traitor politicians.

Salmond's crawling Shite Paper is not even as good as the D.o.A. because it accepts the imposed Windsor dynasty.

[ScottishRepublican]

ELONut - You are being as illogical as Salmond if you think accepting the Queen as head of state amounts to "independence". It is NOT independence, it is DEPENDENCE!

We, the Scots, win just as soon as we kick the Windsors out of Scotland, not a minute before.

Even if most Scots are brainwashed into voting for royalism and against republicanism I won't accept slavery under the Queen envisaged by Salmond's Shite Paper.

Cavemen, barbarians, monarchists & fascists could walk and run. So?

[ELONut]

@ScottishRepublican Hang on a minute! I have never accepted The Royals as my head of state, I was simply pointing out that Division right now is a real bad idea! we are possibly on the verge of something quite historic happening in Scotland ,Surely at the very least! you would welcome an Independent Scotland FIRST!, Splitting the independence vote between Royalist/ Republican views is IMO would be disastrous

[ScottishRepublican]

ELONut - You ARE accepting the royals as your head of state IF you AGREE with Salmond's definition of "independence" as MEANING "Scots with Queen Elizabeth as head of state".

Listen pal, you are going to be divided from someone - either from republicans or from royalists depending on whether you think having the Queen amounts to "independence".

It is a GOOD thing that Scottish patriots who demand that we get to elect our head of state divide ourselves from TRAITORS like Salmond.

[ScottishRepublican]

ELONut - I keep telling you but you are too dumb to understand that with the Queen as head of state, WE WOULD NOT BE INDEPENDENT!

Repeat "WE WOULD NOT BE, NOT FUCKING BE, INDEPENDENT so long as we had the Queen as head of state even AFTER voting for independence."

Why do you have to be as thick as shite, as thick as Salmond's Shite Paper?

Also I invited you to discuss all this in the For Freedom Forums - check you YouTube Inbox for a message.

Use the link to the right of the video.

[ELONut]

@ScottishRepublican LISTEN NUMBNUTS there was no need for the Attitude! You are the one who is thick as shite! there are a large nymber of people who wouldnt vote for Independence if it meant becoming a Republic! is that what u want? a failed referendum ? just to please Hardliners like you? you can stick your freedom forum up your arse if Freedom to you means insulting people for having an opinion then I want none of it!

[ScottishRepublican]

ELONut lol

There is a large number of people who will vote for WHATEVER the telly tells them to vote for. (Maybe that is why they call it a "telly"?")

A referendum alone WILL FAIL without a political and military strategy alongside which plans to kill the Queen and family if they don't leave Scotland.

If you win your fraudulent "independence" vote and the Queen is STILL here YOU WILL BE FAILING to achieve Scottish national independence.

It is a LIE to call surrender "independence".

[ScottishRepublican]

ELONut - It is not being "hardline" to demand the real thing, true Scottish national independence which OF COURSE MEANS A SCOTTISH REPUBLIC!

It is SOFT IN THE HEAD to accept the fraudulent pretence that means living a lie, the "independence = surrender" lie, while Scots are enslaved by the Queen, by her kingdom, by her ministers and officers.

Independence does not equal surrender to that.

Independence = WAR if the Queen and her family do not leave Scotland alone and stop governing us!

[ScottishRepublican]

ELONut - That's right you pea-brained little shite - YOU HATE & FEAR FREEDOM as do all the Queen's lackeys because every time you types FUCK UP and RUIN the Scots lives you would get called out about it!

You like it better when the Queen's police's opinion is that they want to give a firearms certificate to a madman who threatens children they can't be insulted for having their opinion?

So you put your own pride before the lives of innocent children?

YOU BASTARD! YOU FUCKING TRAITOR!

[ScottishRepublican]

natgary1 - The SNP are only fighting to hand Scotland over to themselves to run as the Queen sees fit. That is the exact opposite of Scottish national independence which the SNP are dead against because they oppose a republic.

After the Queen is out, and TV is free then republicans can explain to the people why the Queen was so bad. Then we can have and win a referendum to establish a republican constitution.

Please register and debate this in the For Freedom Forums - see YouTube Inbox.

[natgary1]

This is a democracy after all. Salmond needs to find out what the people want. (referendum)

Scottish people ovb have trust in SNP, after all , ALL nominees for Scottish Politician of the Year were SNP Cabinet members. Says it all tbh!!

[ScottishRepublican]

natgary1 - I wish Scotland WAS governed as a democracy. Sadly it isn't. This is NOT a democracy after all.

Democracy means "government by all the people".

If this was a democracy both you and me and everyone we know would be members of the government.

Are you part of the government, natgary1, because I am not.

I am tortured, jailed and threatened with sectioning in a mental hospital whenever the Queen's officers feel like it - that is not how a member of the government is treated!

[ScottishRepublican]

natgary1 - No if this was a democracy we would all have rights to speak out and to protest. We would also be electing our head of state - someone up to the job of making sure the state defends people's rights, not takes those rights away for no good reason.

The traitor Salmond needs to go, Political leadership is about telling the people CORRECTLY what they need.

We NEED to get rid of the Queen.

Also referenda are RIGGED by state control of broadcasting. Get the Queen out first.

[1scot4scotland]

question do you think Scotland needs an I.R.A TYPE approach ?

because i dont think so .

[ScottishRepublican]

1scot4scotland - The Scots need a republican army to establish and defend the Scottish republic, yes.

We don't need terrorism we need freedom fighting.

Exactly what approach military-trained Scots take to remove the Queen would be up to them. They wouldn't want to repeat the mistakes the IRA made certainly but it may mean war.

Politically, as Scottish republicans, we need the Queen and Windsors out of Scotland or dead but we don't want any innocent civilians injured or killed.

[1scot4scotland]

I can assure you that im not wrong because every young scot who hasn't made up there mind on who to vote for , might find your videos and after watching what are they left with to chose from lab lib or con ? Your views on salmond are on the paranoia borderline . it's obvious you absolutely despise the English/German royal family to say the least , i cant stand them ether , like the centuries of generations in my family , we should be doing them proud !

[ScottishRepublican]

1scot4scotland - Well remember the choices of who or what to vote for at elections and referenda right now are RIGGED by the UK and Windsor loyalists who control broadcasting.

Nowadays with the internet there is more equal playing field but it is not easy to make a sudden break-through but republicans in other countries have had revolutions so we Scots can do so as well eventually.

Point 9.18 of Salmond's Shite Paper isn't "paranoia" it is TREASON.

[1scot4scotland]

Question and what is your true objective then ? Slagging salmond will mean that vulnerable voters will start distrusting the snp , so then what happens ?

you wount even get a wiff of independence

queen or no queen slagging the snp is counter productive to your own plans .

[ScottishRepublican]

1scot4scotland - My true objective is Scottish NATIONAL independence, unlike the SNP who want the Queen's ministers and state in Scotland to have independence and us Scots none.

We MUST distrust the SNP so long as they trust the Queen and her ministers, such as Salmond.

What should happen then is that politically advanced Scots who want true independence should start reading and discussing advanced Scottish republican websites like my Scottish National Standard Bearer website.

[1scot4scotland]

I agree that we should have independene

but if salmond trys to get rid of the royal family rite away than we will have no new powers or controll of oil because it has to go thrugh her first get what salmond proposes , then have a national referendum on the monarchy that way we cant be denied true freedom .

[ScottishRepublican]

1scot4scotland - Salmond doesn't WANT to get rid of the royal family - he wants to KEEP them which means he is AGAINST true national independence.

"Has to go through her first" RUBBISH!

That is DEPENDENCE talk laddie - you are a disgrace and a traitor to Scots to write such pish.

We, the Scots, have NO POWERS AT ALL so long as we accept the Queen as head of state. Only when we fight the Queen to get her out and hate her lackey ministers like Salmond will we get powers and independence.

[1scot4scotland]

I dont appreciate you saying " you are a disgrace and a traitor to Scots to write such pish " i am a scot with independece in my sights .

[ScottishRepublican]

1scot4scotland - Better that I am blunt to explain how badly you are going wrong.

You have got Scottish scenery in your sights and the land would not know what to do with "independence".

Instead, look inside HMP cells because that is where many a Scottish patriot has been jailed for protesting against the rotten rule of the Queen's ministers that would remain as is even if Salmond wins his referendum.

See too the dead bodies of good Scots killed by the bad Queen's police.

[1scot4scotland]

@ScottishRepublican

I just meary pointed out that we have to ( regrettably ) play the westminter game for now , we need to play them at there own game with clever tactics to get what we need . For example we tell them we want some powers because of ( whatever reason )

but we then use that power for what we truly want , which is her out . I agree with you so don't get so defensive . watch my videos so you can get an idea of how i think thanks .

[ScottishRepublican]

1scot4scotland - Wrong. A nation cannot win the national independence game by behaving DEPENDENTLY and losing.

The clever tactic is to stop the diplomacy with the Queen and kick her and her family out of Scotland.

We tell the Queen to GET OUT of Scotland and if she doesn't go we FORCE HER OUT, by military means if necessary.

You need to beware the clever tactics of unionists who support the Union of the Crowns and Salmond is their agent telling lies about "independence".

[Emergency739]

Don't attack Salmond, he is on our side fighting for independence.

Attack those London Unionist hacks and Lib-Lab-Con politicians who take orders from Westminster.

[ScottishRepublican]

Emergency739 - We must attack Salmond because he is on the Queen's side, against the side of the Scots and what he is fighting for is independence for the Queen and her Scottish state with no Scottish national independence, the Scots as slaves as per usual.

Lib-Lab-Con take their orders for the UK royalist elite many of whom are in Westminster and London maybe but the defining characteristic of their boss is loyalty to Queen Elizabeth, not their location.

Balmoral is in Scotland you know?

[Rfc1Darryl]

are the SNP planning on a monarchy referendum after independence ?? ad like to see sean connery as president, even tho hes jus an actor, he has spent alot investing in SNP, to get scottish independence, and said he will not return to Scotland under english rule (bein apart of britian) doesnt take brains to be a head of state or president anyway wen u love the country, a dnt see any other suggestions but him, the tartan army even made a song for him lol

[ScottishRepublican]

Rfc1Darryl - Salmond's plan is to keep the Queen and there will be no Scottish president until he and the royalist SNP are exposed as traitors who are trying to surrender the right of Scots to elect our own head of state.

It does take a lot of brains and experience in fighting for people's democratic rights to be a good head of state - that is why the Queen is so shite at it and Connery would be not much better.

I, Peter Dow, have the brains and experience to be a good president.

[Rfc1Darryl]

the snp royalists have probably been hit with a bribe from the uk government to keep ther mouths shut

are u into politics, as in like a party ? n how would u go about doing so if we could get a president ?

not bein a suck arse, but ad vote for ye, a like yer attitude, also n am sure u said youd have the Lion Rampant as an official scotland flag in a fully independent Scotland, a agree with that also, the saltire has already been destroyed as its on the union jack

[ScottishRepublican]

Rfc1Darryl - Well the SNP get a lot of air time on the BBC which is all the bribe they need to stay loyal to the Queen but as well stuff like Salmond was made a Queen's privy councillor and Salmond's Shite Paper was written by the UK/Queen's civil servants.

I am a political writer. Check your inbox because I have invited you

to view my website

forscots. co. cc

and to register and to discuss it all in the forums

4ff. co. cc

(Remove the spaces to get the web address correct)

[Rfc1Darryl]

ok, but would u go about being president if the time came for scotland to get one, if we get this independence referendum to come along later this year?

[ScottishRepublican]

Rfc1Darryl - No-one can BE president until that person is elected president.

What I am doing meanwhile, is campaigning politically to end the U.K., end the Union of the Crowns and set up a Scottish republic and presidential elections.

The referendum Salmond has got planned won't of itself give us Scottish independence. That will only happen when the Queen and the royal family are BANNED from Scotland, which will happen when the Scots ask our military to get the Queen out and keep her out.

[Rfc1Darryl]

we dont have a military, our military is apart of the british army

am 17, n no well in hell would a join n fight for the british army, am a nationalist, n 100% scots patriot, a would fight for a scottish army but

a dont see our military doing so, unless after salmonds "independence" we get our own army, and (we better get new passports)

a have respect for ireland, there mostly nationalists and proud of their nation to stand up n get the brits out, a feel scots shud do the same

[ScottishRepublican]

Rfc1Darryl - Well there are Scots in the British Army either serving or retired who might want to fight as a Scottish republican army.

Initially, to get rid of the Queen, this may mean adopting paramilitary methods, small autonomous units taking whatever opportunities arise to assassinate the Queen & say the top 6 royals if they do not go after they are told they are banned.

Darryl, laddie, you need to get yourself a political education. Please don't be anti-British & anti-English..

[Rfc1Darryl]

am only anti english when an englishmen is bein anti scottish to me

by not wanting to fight for the british army, cause a dont believe in it, when the union was formed it was by a scottish king, and from wat a have red, the scottish ppl werent exactly for it, they were against it

1 thing that makes me anti british, is that in this union, we learn about .. take history for example, Battle of Culloden we are made to study

[ScottishRepublican]

Rfc1Darryl - Don't be a bigot because that just brings you down to level of other bigots. Just because some Englishman is being a disgrace to the English that is no reason for you to be a disgrace to the Scots.

The "British" army is sometimes anti-British because it fights as a United Kingdom army, for the King or Queen and even against the people. That is why we cannot trust the UK army nor the Union.

Some Scots who oppose the Union, myself among them, think of themselves as "British".

[Rfc1Darryl]

well a feel scotland are losing there identity apart of this union, and al take scot harrison, as an example, when he won the world title, he was showin to the world as a brit, then .. later sentanced to jail = SCOT

a believe in scottish independence so ofcourse am not gonna be happy when a good scottish invention is passed off as british = telephone, television, n even golf

[ScottishRepublican]

Rfc1Darryl - It is not just our identity we are losing it is our lives.

For example, the Dunblane Primary School massacre occurred because the Queen's laws and police gave Hamilton a firearms certificate and nobody could do a thing about it.

So the death of those children at Dunblane is the fault of everybody like Alex Salmond who thinks the Queen is a good head of state.

Darryl, you should visit my website and For Freedom Forums - click the links to the right of the video.

[ScottishRepublican]

Rfc1Darryl - As I have explained Salmond's idea of "independence" is not a proper one because he wants to keep the Queen and according to him the Queen will rule the state and the military. If we trust Salmond and his plan, we won't have real independence and we won't have our own army.

Step one is realising that Salmond is a traitor to the Scots who is selling us out to the Queen and he is actually against real Scottish national independence.

[Rfc1Darryl]

only real thing in 302 years, as britian has accomplished for me is stopping the nazis, which was in world war 2 am sure, dont even ask me about world war 1 cause av not studied that

and a dislike the queen, because a want the monarch of ma country, to be from ma country, n as far as am concerned britian is always gonna put england first, and so is the queen

[ScottishRepublican]

Rfc1Darryl - Now you are going backwards. Before you sounded more educated when you wanted a president. Now you say you want a monarch!

The modern way to go is to have no monarch at all. No king, no queen, no princes or princesses - no royal family - ban them.

Instead have an elected president as head of state.

[Rfc1Darryl]

a didnt mean king or queen or that, a want a president, the thing that made me say monarch lol is cause a had your video playin again n it was sayin salmonds independence white paper "would still have the queen as monarch on both sides"

a want a president buddy

kings n queens n royal families are jus spoiled brats, the french executed ther royal family years ago, and weer never gonna have another robert de bruce anyway lol

[ScottishRepublican]

Rfc1Darryl - Good man!

[Rfc1Darryl]

am on your site, its class, keep up the work buddy, a liked your joke when you were saying .. maybe youv heard of me from my videos on youtube, or perhaps youv found out im single and your a ladie .. lol

keep it up buddy, a want this union ended, or for atleast scotland to get out of it, your very patriotic, n a like your site

[ramboice]

I agree with you that we need to get rid of the monarchy as soon as possible but I also want independence as soon as possible and I believe we need to get there one step at a time. It took us 50 years to get our own parliament it might take another 50 or more to achieve the ultimate goal but this refferendum is still a good move for Scotland as we would have control over our own affairs, the Queen would just stand as a token tourist attraction if she gets in the road, she can get tae

[ramboice]

Salmond has to swear an oath of loyalty to the Queen in order to be sworn into the Parliament but he did so reluctantly claiming his primary loyalty is to the people of Scotland. As a nationalist, socialist and republican I want rid of the Queen but I believe we need to get there gradually. After a refferendum victory, in an independent Scotland we would then hold a refferendum on the monarchy to get rid of them. I don't think support for independence will rise if we throw in republicanism now

[ScottishRepublican]

ramboice - The loyalty oath to the Queen + temporary bans of some MSPs proves that Holyrood is not yet truly a free parliament of the Scots where our elected representatives can attend freely.

So the Queen's state has always violated the 1997 referendum result wherein Scots agreed that there should be a Scottish parliament. The rigged Queen's Holyrood parliament is not truly and freely Scottish.

We didn't vote for loyalty oaths and MSPs being kicked out of parliament for up to one month.

[ScottishRepublican]

ramboice - There is no reluctance from that royalist and traitor Salmond to swear loyalty to the Queen and shake her hand and serve as her First Minister enslaving Scots using the Queen's state.

Salmond is very reluctant to allow true Scottish national independence when not only could Scots' representatives freely hold the government to account but

ordinary Scottish citizens could speak out and publish our concens, maybe not in parliament but elsewhere. Salmond prefers Scots as subjects.

[ramboice]

I think this may be right, but only for pragmatic reasons. I'm confident that once the refferendum is won it won't be long before the monarchy falls in Scotland. I'll still back the SNP as I think they've got the best chance of winning independence, but republicanism is still at the root of the SNP, the student wing are majority republican with the FSN's constitution stating the objective is an independent republic. So long as we get there soon I'll be happy

[ScottishRepublican]

ramboice - You are a "nationalist, socialist and republican" are you? Well then you had best be getting yourself registered with the For Freedom Forums, link under (more info) to the right of the video.

[ramboice]

will do! What's the organisation? Today's the first I've heard of it

[ScottishRepublican]

ramboice - The organisation is the Scottish nation, known as "the Scots" and the organiser on this occasion is me, Peter Dow, author of the Scottish National Standard Bearer website and administrator of the For Freedom Forums.

Well I am sure you have heard of the Scots before now, though maybe this is the first you have heard of me and my websites and my political activities on behalf of the Scots

I will send you a long message so check your YouTube Inbox in a few minutes.

[ramboice]

Oh yes I'm familiar with the Scots, I believe I'm already a member of this fine organisation, pleased to meet a fellow member!

[ScottishRepublican]

ramboice - lol "Oh Flower of Scotland, when we will see, your like again..." lol

[ramboice]

lol hopefully next year!

[ScottishRepublican]

petrifiedmetal - I have already answered that question TWICE in these comments, explaining the Scottish republican claim on the Scottish state flag, the Lion Rampant which anyway is used as a Scottish national standard these days.

How dare you pretend that you want to know the answers when you cannot be arsed reading the comments here or clicking to my most excellent Scottish National Standard Bearer website - link under (more info) to the right of the video?

[ScottishRepublican]

petrifiedmetal - No many institutions are only partly Scottish and partly ROYAL. If an institution has got "Royal" in its name or it operates under a royal charter at best it has divided loyalty and has to be suspected of supporting the rule of monarchy and opposing the independence of the nation.

[ScottishRepublican]

The royalist SNP shite paper plan is to keep everything royal as is, with the Queen as head of state, so there will NO INDEPENDENCE FOR THE NATION and future referenda will be rigged. SNP lies.

[hoopybhoy74]

and you also fly the queens flag NOT the saltire, why?

[ScottishRepublican]

hoopybhoy74 - No the Queen has stolen the use of the lion rampant flag she has no right to.

The Lion Rampant flag in ancient times was the state flag of the Scottish Kingdom but these days it is used more often as a Scottish national flag, alongside the Saltire.

I made the same comment earlier but it seems you forgot my reply.

[ScottishRepublican]

hoopybhoy74 - I have claimed the Lion Rampant for the state flag of a Scottish republic and president.

I explain in my Scottish National Standard Bearer website, the page "The functions and duties of a Scottish National Standard Bearer"

I also fly the Saltire.

[ScottishRepublican]

hoopybhoy74 - By the way, that's twice you have said the Lion Rampant is the Queen's flag. That is not on to keep saying that shite.

Frankly that is an offensive thing to say. You sound like a royalist and a supporter of the Queen by saying she has rights to one of the Scots flag. She has no rights to the Lion Rampant. End of story.

Wait until the Bhoys at Celtic Park, Parkhead hear that you are supporting the Queen now.

[ScottishRepublican]

TheSpiaire - "Scotland's autonomy"? News just in, lands don't have autonomy.

Dictators, monarchs and Queen's First Ministers can have autonomy, which is what Salmond and wee liars like you want.

I want the Scottish nation to have autonomy which can only be guaranteed by a Scottish republic.

I am for our autonomy and independence as Scots - you are against it.

[TheSpiaire]

Scotland as a nation, or do you deny Scotland as a nation?

The issue is about Holyrood getting more powers like Fiscal autonomy, but your dodging the issue by going on and on about the Queen.

Do you even want Scotland to seperate from Britain?

[ScottishRepublican]

TheSpiaire - Scotland is the homeland of the Scottish nation.

Scotland is a land. "Scotland" is not the name of our nation. The name of our nation is "the Scots". We are the Scots. We are not "Scotland". "Scotland" is the name of our national homeland.

Of course we Scots are a nation. I am the author of the Scottish National Standard Bearer website.

How dare you question that I might be denying our nationhood.

You are a semi-literate fool. Now get yourself an education!

[TheSpiaire]

Peter, is Scotland a nation?

Yes or no.

Just want this on record lol

[ScottishRepublican]

TheSpiaire - "Scotland" is a football team.

"Scotland" is a rugby team.

"Scotland" is all things to all people.

"Scotland" some people use to mean "the Scots", the Scottish nation and in that usage then these people mean"Scotland as a nation".

But strictly speaking "Scotland" is the homeland of the Scottish nation and the nation is the Scots.

The Scots are the nation,

The word "Scotland" describes exactly a geographical landmass.

Have you stopped raping your children, yes or no?

[ScottishRepublican]

TheSpiaire - I just want that on the record - if you have stopped raping your children, yes or no?

I'll give you lol you wee shite.

Some questions cannot be answered fairly yes or no.

[ScottishRepublican]

TheSpiaire - The issue for Salmond is himself getting more powers. "Holyrood" is a place - places don't have power. People have powers.

With the Queen as head of state, even our elected representatives have no power, not even to attend the Holyrood parliament.

The real issue is getting powers for us Scots, for the people.

You telling lies about the places and the land having power is dodging the issue,

Salmond is a liar and you are both for keeping all power with the Queen.

[ScottishRepublican]

TheSpiaire - News just in. The land of Scotland is never going to separate from the land of England and float out into mid-Atlantic in order to prove its independence. Scotland is staying put.

You are confusing your geography with your politics.

Now you are a stupid arsehole talking shite and telling lies about land and places instead of talking about political power and who should have power.

The Scots should separate ourselves from the United Kingdom and from the Union of the Crowns.

[TheSpiaire]

Well the Westminster government is also runned by Unionist Scots as well as non-Scots, we just need our parliament (Holyrood) to take all governing powers back from Westminster.

If the pro Independence MSPs get a majority in Holyrood in the future, we can actually declare Independence without a referendum.

That would be sweet.

[ScottishRepublican]

TheSpiaire - What would be sweet is Scots declaring our independence from the United Kingdom, the Union of the Crowns and the monarchy.

We could best do that immediately by every patriotic Scot calling on the Queen to be banned from Scotland.

Salmond doesn't call for the Queen to go because he opposes independence from the Union. Salmond is a liar and a traitor!

We need Scots to take governing powers back from the crown, from the Queen's state and Salmond's plan doesn't do that.

[TheSpiaire]

Even if Britain ceased to be a constitutional monarchy tomorrow, Scotland would still not be Independent because we would still be under Westminster rule, hence part of Great Britain.

I'll ask again, do you want Scotland to seperate from Britain?

[ScottishRepublican]

TheSpiaire - Westminster is a place. Places don't rule. For the Westminster politicians to try to rule Scots they'd need a state with a head of state, who we would also ban from Scotland to stop them.

If Britain became democratic then by definition we Scots would get our independence which is a democratic right.

Only the undemocratic United Kingdom and Union of the Crowns puts Westminster in charge and enslaves Scots.

No Union. No rule from Westminster. Simple.

[ScottishRepublican]

TheSpiaire - I will tell you again. Scotland the land is not going suddenly develop a huge chasm and new sea between Scotland and England as Scotland starts heading for the North Pole. Scotland is joined where it is and you'd better get used to it.

Politically, we Scots should separate ourselves from the UK and Union of the crowns state, head of state Queen Elizabeth who is ruling us, by banning the Queen from Scotland as a first step. Why stay in Union under the Queen like Salmond wants?

[TheSpiaire]

The Act of Union 1707.

Do you wish it to remain?

Yes or no.

[ScottishRepublican]

TheSpiaire - No. The Union of the Crowns 1604, the Act of Union 1704 and EVERY single act of the UK parliament should be disregarded by the Scottish republican state. Every legal precedent established by the Queen's courts should be disregarded.

If there are useful former UK laws which are acceptable to the Scottish nation in general terms - like murder should be illegal, drink driving should be illegal and so on, then it is up to the Scottish parliament to draft those laws into Scottish law.

[ScottishRepublican]

TheSpiaire - Oops! 1603 was the Union of the Crowns. Whenever, bin it.

[ScottishRepublican]

TheSpiaire - Sorry you are right 1707 for the Act of Union. I seem to have a thing for "04" this afternoon.

[ScottishRepublican]

TheSpiaire - and of course disregard every legal precedent established by the King's courts because before it was a Queen there were many Kings in there too.

Sorry but if you come on to YouTube comments and you expect a body of laws which have accumulated over 100s of years to be trashed in a well-drafted way you are hoping for too much.

This is why this debate should be happening in the For Freedom Forums rather than here.

[ScottishRepublican]

TheSpiaire - You are a very bad man wanting to discuss important politics in such a shitty little forum as YouTube comments.

[ScottishRepublican]

hoopybhoy74 - Well a young fresh-faced King William of Scots would be no better if Queen Elizabeth and Prince Charles abdicated but your "old hag" argument would have the legs taken out from under it.

Removing ourselves from the Windsor tyranny is a necessary step to independence.

Independence yet staying with the Union of the Crowns willingly is like the SNP prisoner told "You have your independence, you are free to go" - but chooses to stay in HMP because he is institutionalised. SAD!

[TheSpiaire]

The most import thing is to get Scotland as much autonomy as possible for Holyrood.

If we can't get Independence now we can at least get more powers for Holyrood.

Fiscal autonomy would be the next big step, then it would be foreign affairs and defense.

[ScottishRepublican]

TheSpiaire - Well there is nothing to stop any Scot calling for the Queen to be banned from Scotland now. I have done it because I support true Scottish national independence.

Salmond has not called for the Queen to go because he is a traitor.

Now TheSpiaire have you called for the Queen to be banned from Scotland now?

Have you called Salmond "a traitor" for not making that same call?

If not, you don't support Scottish independence you lying wee shite.

[hoopybhoy74]

bbc,co,uk/scotland/history/deb­ates/home_rule

just replace the inverted commas with full stops.

[ScottishRepublican]

hoopybhoy74 - The proposition the BBC puts - "Home rule: Scotland's destiny lies as an independent nation." is slightly muddled because a land's destiny is always to be a land.

"Scotland's destiny shall be as the homeland of an independent Scottish nation" would be clearer.

However, I voted "Strongly agree" and commented that I thought the links to Salmond's presentation of his White Paper and the SNP website were not supporting the proposition of an independent Scottish nation.

[hoopybhoy74]

so how do we get her out and keep her out?

[ScottishRepublican]

hoopybhoy74 - Well the first step is for Scots to rally around Scottish republican leaders like myself who have been calling for the Queen to be put out for many years.

I am organised to allow Scots to rally on the internet by registering and using the For Freedom Forums which I administer. Click on the link to the right of the video under (more info) to visit the forums.

There Scots can outline our plans in great detail whereas YouTube comments are not suitable for big plans.

[hoopybhoy74]

im still voting snp tho!

[hoopybhoy74]

and what do you suggest for scottish national independence?

[ScottishRepublican]

hoopybhoy74 - Like I said in the video -

"The real plan towards Scottish national independence and a Scottish republic is to make the Queen and her family unwelcome in Scotland. Get the Queen out and keep her out. Then we'll get our independence."

[hoopybhoy74]

why do you have the lion rampant in the background?

"thats the queens flag"

[ScottishRepublican]

hoopybhoy74 - No the Queen has stolen the use of the lion rampant flag she has no right to.

The Lion Rampant flag in ancient times was the state flag of the Scottish Kingdom but these days it is used more often as a Scottish national flag, alongside the Saltire.

I have claimed the Lion Rampant for the state flag of a Scottish republic and president - I explain in my Scottish National Standard Bearer website, the page "The functions and duties of a Scottish National Standard Bearer".

[PrincePloppy]

Fuck the royals! Well said usual tactics from that set of murdering thieving bastards the royals!

[Rfc1Darryl]

even if we were to start a war for proper independence, we need a proper army, a army that has the same beliefs as us, the scots that are in the army the now is "her majisty's army" .. and even at that wars arent the way they used to be, now there are grenades, rocket launchers n all sorts, so its well more difficult to fight for one, even wen ireland fot for it, they had guns, which made things harder as the opposition has them aswel

[hoopybhoy74]

darryl, we meet again-this guy says on other videos that he proudly flies the union jack and wants a republic britain!!

dont trust this guy m8 , its a trick from a unionist "believe me", alex salmond is "scottish" not british and he will deliver true scottish independence first then a head of state afterwards ; )

INDEPENDENCE!!

[ScottishRepublican]

hoopybhoy74 - Salmond supports the Union of the Crowns which means Scotland as a kingdom ruled by Queen Elizabeth in her person union of kingdoms.

Salmond is the trickiest unionist around.

Salmond is a traitor to Scots because he wants to deny us Scots independence which we can only get by electing a president as head of state of a Scottish republic.

We are not getting true Scottish independence offered from Salmond and if you trust that unionist Salmond you are a fool.

[Rfc1Darryl]

this "independence" got ma hopes up for nothin . a have to say it is slightly better as a step forward, as we will govern ourselfs and our money goes to us and not london, but am pritty sure we need that bitch of a queen to sign everything we make as a new law,

why does she feel the need to have a say on different countries, shes queen of england, so fuckin stay as that, dirty cow, and fuck off from other countries, unionist scots make me sick

[RadicalWhig]

I think you should look up the SNP's 2002 draft Constitution for Scotland. It significantly reduces the prerogatives of the Crown. No, it's not perfect. But it is a step in the right direction. After independence we can have a referendum to amend our written Constitution to replace the Queen with an elected non-executive President like in Ireland.

[ScottishRepublican]

RadicalWhig - Reducing the formal powers of a do-nothing monarch who has the independence to rubber-stamp all authority being transferred to her ministers, judges and all officers of the state who then do whatever the hell they like to the people regardless of any nominal legal or constitutional rights does not improve government.

The step of the Shite Paper is in the wrong direction.

We need a president holding the state and its officers accountable for their daily violations.

[ScottishRepublican]

RadicalWhig - "After independence"? You write like a parrot. The Queen and her ministers have the independence now and after Salmond wins his referendum.

There is no national independence on offer in the Shite Paper and you are naive to expect a republican revolution to be easier after that.

Even then the Queen's state will continue to frustrate future attempts at republicanism.

Our strategy is a direct political assault on the monarchy, followed through by the military in due course.

[briggles]

Britan would work better as a republic, without all thease crap governments that the queen rubber stamps.

we should get rid of her and all her family and have a better run country!

[Rfc1Darryl]

is a step better, hopefully we will have our own army, n military dressings, but salmonds already fighting the unionists as it is, maybe if he never had the queen as head of state, he would have no chance getting this bill thru, a hope we later get the queen n royal family out of Scotland, as their clearly unwelcome

[ScottishRepublican]

Rfc1Darryl - No Salmond ISN'T fighting the unionists - that is all kid on smoke and mirrors.

Salmond is the biggest unionist of them all. He supports 100% the UNION OF THE CROWNS!

Aye it should be nae bother to get the Queen oot once we start asking the military to shoot the cunt if she turns up here where she is no welcome.

[Rfc1Darryl]

a didnt know salmond was a unionist, but ok a agreee the only real independence has to be fot for, as ireland has done it,

a also agree the queens a bitch, and a hate the royal family, they destroyed australia, and shes ther head of state !

the english divided ireland into 2, divided india into 2, n scotland was also divided into 2 at one point aswell

well if this "independence" gets the scots our own army, then we can think about the real independence,

[Rfc1Darryl]

a agree but am sure salmonds referendum will put us in a slightly better situation, we will have our identify as scots rather than brits, its shit the queen wud be our head of state, which is the only catch, hopefully wen we get this independence, we will later have a proper independence n be like ireland, by having our own president,

[ScottishRepublican]

Rfc1Darryl - When "we get this independence"? The independence that Salmond is talking about is not for us - it is for the Queen and the Queen's ministers. We Scots are to get none of that independence.

The Irish didn't get their republic by voting for the King or Queen of the UK as head of state! The Irish fought for their independence and republic and we Scots will need to fight for ours too.

[Rfc1Darryl]

if we dont have a proper official scots army, then we are gonna need a rebellion army, which am sure the ira ment at one point irish rebellion army, now its irish republican army

even when the scots has been to war with england, we have never had 100% backing from the scots, look at the William Wallace days, the nobles wer against him, and it was a scot that betrayed him and got him captured

seriously a dream of a scottish republic jus like you