Wow, what a revelation to find out cars are actually age specific. I didn't realize you needed to be in a crisis to own a vette, so I f'up and bought 4 by age 30. Didn't ever find myself in a mustang though, however who cares what the hell somebody else drives...some of you sound like 5th grade bitches running your mouths' about what other people drive, or don't drive. If you prefer stangs, then drive one, if you dig vettes, then get one, do you and FTW...bitches.
I dunno.. I wouldn't go so far as to consider the corvette exotic. It isn't a pony car either though.. matter of fact.. I don't know what to classify it as other then a american sports car.
it's always about power to weight issue especially down low , heavier car is harder to get it moving all else equal, but I wouldn't feel to bad losing to z06 , they do ask a lot of money for those cars these days. Its got an aluminum frame for christs sake and a lot of carbon fiber
@mustangtibor You mean the overrated Ford GT that was bringing double the MSRP for Z06 level performance? Just imagine how bad the ZR1 would embarrass the GT while being 30K cheaper.
stupid chevy guys are too busy with there head up there asses to even think, look you most be stupid to choose a vette over the shelby,1 its cheaper,has a lot more hp, and at the same time it has a lot of space,just saying do the calculations here,plus the vette has almost $30 ,000 over the gt.
@sarge8504 Stupid Mustang guys like yourself are broke rednecks who can't spell. You must be stupid to try and call out a Vette when you can't even type correctly.
O I SAW THAT ON THE SECOND ONE THE MUSTANG TRIED TO CHEAT IF U HAVE TO CHEAT TO WIN.UR A PIECE OF SHIT.U WERE ALREADY GOING BEFORE THE VETT HONKED THE 3RD TIME.
Jesus....Im gonna smack you mustang owners....for the last time, if its a Vette...the race is over before it begins....if its a Z06...you have no place even being beside it lol
Reading further, hennessy said it put down a little over 700rwhp uncorrected. He was also confident in saying that the motor will last a couple hundred thousand miles with proper break in(he sells zr1s with the package). I would say it's tuned conservatively.
@nbmblownZ I would say hennessey is a known shyster, ask him what he did with all of those Viper hoods he stole from his customers. 700 rwhp uncorrected in 25 degree weather maybe, let's see those SAE corrected sub-600 rwhp dyno sheets.
As for 4.2 psi making a 100 rwhp. I meant 100 crank. It made over 50 rwhp with a cai and exhaust, i think that further proves that the tune is very conservative, considering the gains. And the fact that Hennessy isn't stupid enough to put an aggressive tune in a boosted street car then warrenty it.
My last comment i said lingenfelter, i meant hennesy.
@nbmblownZ Crank or rear wheel, 4.2 psi isn't getting anywhere close to 100 HP for the LS9. 4.2 psi PLUS full-on supporting/breathing mods plus a great tune is doable, but 4.2 psi alone with a conservative tune just isn't happening. Not even close.
These aluminum blocks in the gt500 have a plasma coated cylinders instead of sleeves. I guess they did it to save weight but the cost of block strength. You can not bore the cylinders out anymore, and if you need a rebuild, you're gonna have to buy a new block. I'm guessing you can get the block sleeved, but it still will have to be thin due to bore spacing, and will cost double of what you can get a new block for.
@nbmblownZ Proof that PWTA liners cost block strength? Pressing in a set of 3.700" dry sleeves (5.8 bore is 3.66") does not cost as much as a new block. 3.700" bores are what RoushYates run with 600+ HP (n/a) in their 5.0s and 5.3s in the 24 hrs of LeMans cars. The 5.4/5.8 AL block can safely be taken over 3.70". Anymore rumors, hearsay, and uninformed speculation you'd like to share?
@nbmblownZ Nissan uses the PWTA cylinder coatings (which they licensed from Ford) in the GT-R. BMW among others have been using Alusil and Nikasil cylinder linings in lieu of pressed in cast iron liners for years.
Sorry, but 4.2 psi alone won't give a ZR1 anywhere near 100 HP.
The old 5.4 GT500s are seeing 650-680 to the wheels with similar mods as above + the TVS & 15-16 psi. The 5.8 will flat blow those numbers away with the right inlet and tune.
@LieKiller The zr1 is on a very conservative street tune, and makes 705 hp and 717 ft lbs of torque(crank) on 13.5 psi (with warrenty). On the vmp vid, there is comment from a guy saying vmp blew his motor, and when he got it rebuilt, the engine builder blamed it on the tune. Then i searched and saw them making 697 rwhp on 20 psi and c16 race fuel. These cars have very aggresive tunes to put out glory numbers, to the point this dude is popping motors.
@nbmblownZ 581 rwhp does not equal 705 crank HP. It also had more than a simple boost increase, namely inlet and full exhaust (including headers). The point, which you conveniently missed, is that 4.2 psi by itself isn't worth anything close to 100 HP on an otherwise stock ZR1. That car had a 3 lb increase, including aftermarket supporting mods, and only picked up ~50 HP. Proof of "conservative tune"? What is the A/F, what is the timing, how does it compare to the stock ZR1 tune?
@LieKiller According to lingenfelter, that package makes 705 crank hp and 717 torque. The 3.70 inch bore is sleeved. You're saying the spray on liner blocks are as strong as the sleeved blocks? Why does mmr sell sleeved blocks as an upgrade, and how much does it cost to get a block sleeved vs the cost of the block(aluminum 5.4 or 5.8 modular). Also, my speculation on the conservative tune is because lingenfelter offers a 36000 3 year warrenty with the kit.
@nbmblownZ I'm saying there are no block strength differences between PWTA coatings and cast iron dry sleeves. MMR sells WET sleeved (Darton) blocks as a way to get a 3.7" bore from the 5.4 iron block, the iron block 4.6/5.4 can't be taken to a 3.700" bore like the aluminum blocks can. The only iron Modular block that can accommodate the 3.700" bore is the FRPP Boss block, which isn't offered in the 5.4 deck height. Dry sleeving AL blocks depends on the builder, usually about $1,000.
@nbmblownZ ...and that cost is re-sleeving the aluminum block to take it from 3.552" to 3.700". You're not going to score a NEW 5.4 aluminum block (Ford GT or '11-up GT500) for $1,000, you'd have to land a deal on a used one somehow.
@LieKiller Lingenfelter also offers 650 rwhp packages@13.5 psi with a 3 year 36000 mile warrenty(it has a cam and headwork). I'm sure it's alot more of a consrvative tune than what vmp's 660 rwhp on over 20 psi while popping motors for the sake of marketing, and fooling people like you to make "educated guesses" based on their glory numbers.
@nbmblownZ VMP made 660 rw with a 15% OD damper and stock upper, that ain't 20 psi pal, and is a damn slight more than 700 crank HP. What you aren't getting is the implication for the 5.8. Same basic heads but flowing ~10% more via the bore increase, far better matched higher lift cams (old GT500s used tiny 03/04 Mach 1/Cobra cams), .5 point more compression, another 750 rpm, and the same s/c. Mod for mod I can pretty much guarantee the 5.8 is going to beat LS9 rear wheel numbers.
@LieKiller I'm sending you dyno sheets from VMP making 666 rwhp and 674 tq with 20.16 psi with the tvs 2300. Then 697 rwhp 702 tq with 20.62 psi on c16 race fuel.
As for sleeved 5.4 blocks, you're looking at around $3300(for parts and labor), i'm sending you quotes on that too. The 5.8 is making 12 more horsepower, but is making 4.2 psi more than the ls9. It's got nothing on the ls9. Sorry.
@nbmblownZ Dry sleeved 5.8s are a little cheaper. MMR sells them for $3500 with the block. Dry sleeved blocks are stronger than sprayed on cylinder liner ford uses on the aluminum blocks. MMR claims the blocks to be "very strong and reliable" utilizing iron sleeves.
@nbmblownZ Show me proof of cast iron sleeves being stronger than PWTA lined blocks. Let's see the engineering data, let's see those torsional stiffness calculations.
@nbmblownZ By the by, the Hennessey ZR750 has....get this:
-Ported heads
-aftermarket camshaft,
-LTs, full exhaust
-new blower inlet, etc.
Again, let me say this AGAIN, 4.2 psi on a stock engine isn't worth anywhere close to 100 HP.
P.S., thanks for again reiterating the impact of cylinder head flow on supercharged cars. Ported heads and cam made a rather huge gain verses the ZR700 stock heads and cam despite the same the same boost. Thanks for proving my point yet again... :-)
@nbmblownZ Again, I'm not interested in the prices of Dartons, they require extensive machining (after machining there are no cylinder walls left, only an open deck before the wet sleeves are fitted) and are tricky to secure. I'm talking dry sleeves only. I had John Tymensky dry sleeve a Teksid block for $1000, $1300 and change with shipping about 1.5 years ago. He was maintaining these prices up to 6 months ago. Dry sleeve pricing has actually come down since 2003-2004.
Also, the 2013 gt500 has the same blower as the ls9 and makes 14.7psi @ 650hp vs the ls9 10.5 psi @638hp. 4.2 more psi and only 12 more hp? 4.2 psi is worth atleast 100hp on the ls9. Ls9 is way more efficient.
@nbmblownZ the LS9 is also .4 liters larger, but you didnt care to mention that did you? i love both corvettes and mustangs, but the facts are the facts you cant just ignore some to strengthen your argument. and 4psi is not worth 100hp on the zr1 lmao. not to mention, the magazine muscle mustangs and fast fords got to go to ford's factory where they are producing the 2013 5.8L v8, and on a dyno test there they observed 670+hp at 7000rpm, ford rates 650hp at its indefinitely sustainable rpm 6250
@svtcobra1992 I forgot to mention the zr1 puts out more torque. That can be attributed by ci. We'll see when the gt500 comes out what it does.
You don't think 4.2 psi is worth 100 hp? You don't think that blower is making 25 hp per pound of boost on the zr1? I don't believe the ls9 is making over 400 hp without the blower.
@nbmblownZ i do not think that increasing the boost 4psi alone will net you 100hp. but, i could believe that 4psi + longtubes + CAI + aggressive tune = around 100hp on the LS9. In the end though, we are comparing a 60k 4 seater muscle car to a 125k 2 seater sports/super car. the fact that the mustang has a chance to stick with a zr1 is a victory for Ford. bang for your buck has never been better. at the very least, the shelby will hand a Z06 its ass on a highway or track. gotta love competition!
@svtcobra1992 your a stupid fuck, he's racing a zo6, not a zr1? And for the record he wasn't hanging with the zo6, he was getting pulled on the whole race, dumbass
@motomidget11 when in the motherfuck did i ever say this shelby was racing a zr1? check your fucking shit before you try to talk shit to me motherfucker! "nbmblownZ" and "Liekiller" were having a discussion on the 2013 gt500 vs the ZR1 you ignorant fuck. my comment was regarding that arguement, it had nothing to do with this video. if you re-read my comments i said that in the very least the 2013, <-- (note it says TWO-THOUSAND-THIRTEEN) gt500 will walk the current 505hp Z06. stop assuming bitch
@camirocz read my response comment to "motomidget11". i was talking about the upcoming 2013 gt500 WILL beat the Z06. i never said the 2012 would beat the z06. jackass
@svtcobra1992 Assumed whatasholethat you re a broke peice of shit?Thats a given go play with your 4.6 mustang....hahahahaha all 260 h.p of it lol hahahahahahaha
@camirocz i didnt know "what asshole that" was really all one word. your horrible grammar turned the first four words of your sentence into two. so did your parents sign you out of school in 5th or 6th grade? yeah you're right i am broke, because i am in college making something of myself hahaha. like i said before, you are a fucking troll you have absolutely no base to your argument, do everyone a favor and back away from the keyboard you might dumb people down to your level.
@svtcobra1992 Here just fo you: asshole!There does that make you feel somewhat more fulfilled?Can you now look forward to a good nights sleep?I wouldnt want your grades to suffer on account of me insulting you and by the same token burden you with having to read my messages full of spelling or accidentally hitting the wrong key mistakes.Now go back to your room and study while the adults play on you tube,Once your homework is all done you may return.
@camirocz hahaha do you realize how fucking retarded you look to everybody on the outside of this argument reading this? you were the one that commented on MY post with YOUR assumptions then you were flat out told and can't think of a legitimate counter argument. honestly, you are arguing with me over nothing
@svtcobra1992 I don't think the 2013 GT500 will have the traction to beat a Z06. I mean the 750hp Super Snake is almost a second of a Z06s 1/4mile time isn't it?
@iPROFITDON there is a video on youtube that talks about traction issues, ford corrected them on the 2013 by using better tires, taller gears that allow it to reach 60mph+ in 1st gear, and launch control. Ford had guaranteed 0-60mph in "no more" than 3.7 seconds. so in response to your comment, yes the 2013 gt500 will beat a Z06
@svtcobra1992 The Z06 is hitting 60 in 3.5 according to MT IIRC. So how do you figure that? At any rate I'd have to see it to believe it, as much as I'd love to believe it. The thought of Ford finally making a GT500 that's worth some shit outside of burning rubber is great.
@iPROFITDON i like vettes too dont get me wrong, but im being realistic. the Z06 might have a slight advantage in 0-60 but you cant argue with 650hp when it is up and moving. just like how the zr1 isnt really any quicker to 60mph than the z06, but once it is moving the thing hauls ass. plus we know for a fact that the gt500 WILL pull harder on the top end than the Z considering it hits 202mph+. the vette isnt even in the mustangs class but yet the gt500 competes/beats it. we will see in may
@iPROFITDON the fastest magazine test i saw for the ZR1 was 11.2sec 1/4 mile, so im not quite sure where you are seeig the shelby a second behind? the Z06 runs 11.6-11.8 consistently so the shelby and Z should be very comparable in that respect. i'd have to look into whether the gt500 hits 202mph at redline or because of aerodynamic drag. what i do know is that it hits 202mph in 5th gear, not 6th so im leaning towards aerodynamic drag being the limiting factor.
I believe the GT500 is geared like the Z06, 60 at the top of first and tops out in 5th gear. I'm sure aerodynamic drag is a limiting factor with that car. What I can't wait for is someone to take the limiter off the vert and run 200mph.
@iPROFITDON ive seen those videos you sent, but you have to realize that Ranger did those on a perfectly prepped track at sea level and he has a ton of experience with corvettes. magazine tests dont do the 1/4 mile test on tracks, they do them on open asphalt (watch motortrend vids) which is why a good driver on a true 1/4 mile track can pull better numbers. plus they arent going to try to drop a few tenths by trying all day long they have tests to run. 200mph in a vert would be scary IMO haha
@svtcobra1992 GM is not at all worried about the new GT500... I have seen 2012 supersnakes with thousands of dollars more in suspension and chassis upgrades that cannot get their 800 horses to the ground. A 50-60K GT500 will not be better than a $100,000 dollar 800HP Mustang. GM will take note when the GT500 ditches the live axle... The ZL1 with 580HP will be just fine.
@svtcobra1992 A $100,000 2012 Supersnake with more technical chassis and suspension upgrades and 800 BHP still runs slower 0-60 and 1/4 miles times than a stock Z06. No one at GM is worried about any live axled stang end of story..
@Greendude33 read my comments to iPROFITDON, we arent talking about an aftermarket kit package you slap on a mustang and go, this is a factory beast putting down numbers like 650hp, 0-60 in 3.7s, 1/4 mile in mid 11's, 6 piston brakes, 202mph, 1.00G+ roadholding. the shelby was extensively tested and developed on the nurburgring. for $60k you get all that and 4 seats as a bonus. the fact that the shelby even competes and beats a corvette is amazing, they arent in the same car class remember.
@nbmblownZ The old 8.5:1 5.4s routinely make 575-600 to the wheels on TVSs @ 15 lbs, figure a 15% driveline loss and that's EASILY over 650 crank HP. Ford's either got the '13 severely detuned or their flat out sandbagging with that 650 HP rating. The '13 has 9.0:1, Ford GT cams, & TVS from the factory. Tune and inlet upgrades alone should have that thing breaking 700 to the wheels. The LS9 has been flat out outgunned by the 5.8.
@LieKiller The ls9 hasn't been outgunned. It's outgunned because of your speculation? Lol. As for the ls9 camaro, it was only running 16psi. Whether that was maxed out or not i don't know. But it neede nitrous to move that pig. I don't like the new camaro, nor the gt500s. Both are fat pigs, and need to much power to move, which in my opinion is a waste.
@nbmblownZ Of course it has been outgunned, you're the one stuck on factory HP ratings. Bottom line is the 5.8 is the world's most powerful mass produced V8 and the LS9 isn't. As far as speculation, call it educated speculation. There's no way a big bore 5.8, 9:1, FGT cammed, TVS 2300 @ 15 psi, 4V only makes 650 crank HP when the old 5.4 was able to come withing spitting distance of that at the WHEELS with a TVS and similar boost. Ain't happening, tune or sandbagged #s is the reality.
Dyno of ~15 psi (15% o/d damper, stock upper) TVS 5.4 GT500 with CAI, 671/695: /watch?v=kfOjC0i7Xsg
Like I already said the 5.8 with more compression, larger bore, cams better matched to the heads, etc. will blow the old 5.4's numbers away mod for mod.
@LieKiller Both the 2013 gt500 and zr1 are on very conservative tunes from the factory for the simple fact ford or chevy don't want to warrenty ticking time bombs.
You're a loser that envys other people's cars and trolls on the net. Those cars in my uploads race for stacks of hundreds, your gay ass races your cum dumpster and reeboks.
@nbmblownZ LMFAO, you really don't understand how superchargers work. CFM is independant of BOOST, spin a centrifugal a certain speed and total cfm output remains constant for a given RPM. Boost is simply a measure a RESTRICTION of the airflow through the engine, 1 engine may take 1200 cfm and produce 18 lbs or boost, while a better flowing and/or larger displacement engine may take that same 1200 cfm and only produce 14 lbs of boost.
@LieKiller I basically said the same thing. I never said or implied boost was a measurment of airflow. Why you keep repeating the same shit i don't know. Like i said, your comparison you made on the 2valve and 4 valve was complete b.s.
@nbmblownZ You said, "Boost drops because the blower doesn't have to compress as much air to achieve a certain cfm of flow."
For a given impeller speed, the s/c is compressing the same amount of air regardless of manifold pressure. That statement isn't "basically the same as what I said". Your statement shows a FUNDAMENTAL minsunderstanding. Simply put, you do NOT "understand boost".
Not to mention 2 exhaust valves on the 4 valver can evacuate exhaust gasses alot more eficiently than the two valvers on exhaust valve. Which will be a factor. I can keep going and going.
@nbmblownZ You can keep floundering and floundering you mean.
Stock 03/04 Cobra head flow - 270/195
Stock 99+ PI 2V head flow - 170/150
Of course exhaust side flow is a factor, but it isn't the dominant factor in this case. Besides, how often do head porters cut the intake port and leave the exhaust port alone, meaning it is just as much a factor in virtually any "apples-to-apples" ported head test. But again, you would know this if you had a clue.
@LieKiller So you changed compression on both motors to match and cam specs? Because your numbers are way off. 03 04 cobra's are 8.5:1 and 9.8:1 for the two valve. Maybe you knew you would have this debate and did the coparison ahead of time?
@nbmblownZ Jesus you are one bootyhurt, know-nothing numbskull. This was a TURBO setup, both engines were built yet utlilizing stock heads with no port work. Both engines had aftermarket cams. Compression and camshaft duration was kept fairly constant, the 2V utlitized .550" lift cams (224/225 106/110) the 4V used .475"/.450" lift cams (224/222 106/110 LCs) , both were built with stock compression. I don't need to make shit up to prove from internet feeb wrong, you do that yourself.
@LieKiller 03 04 cobras have 8.5:1 compression vs the 2 valves 9.8:1. Internet feeb? Like i said i have the car in my uploads that i was talking about, you have magazine articles, and think you are smart. It's me against MM&FF, not you. You're a retard who thinks gt500s runs 8s on the stock blower.
@nbmblownZ You are an internet feeb, you are arguing about a topic you flat out don't understand and trying to convince yourself you have a clue. You don't. I just found an article that showed exactly what I've been telling you from a 30 second google search, end of story. You don't know what you are talking about, you are unarmed for a technical discussion and it's obvious.
@LieKiller B.S i understand boost well. You're just bent out of shape you have a name liekiller, and start out our "debate" with a lie, so you try and put words in my mouth. When i first stated there will be no power increase, you had nothing to say, now you have alot to say with magazine articles. Go back and drive your pinto to the track and watch pullied gt500s run 8s, liar...Lmao
@LieKiller Sorry, NOT stock compression. Stock heads and chambers, but both were 9.0:1 engines. Both used Diamond pistons (different dish obviously, given the 4V chamber is 52cc versus 44cc for 2V) with valve reliefs specific to the different valve layouts. No need to discuss 2V vs 4V, I just gave you proof of ported head gains on a centrifugal 2V with the same exact pulley arrangement, only change being head porting (via Fox Lake). Considering this schooling free.
@LieKiller Did you pay MM&FF mag for your schooling? My engine probably didn't effieciently combust the extra airflow which is why i didn't see an increase. It was also a 10.0:1 compression engine. Who knows, but don't quote magazine articles and think you are smart. Like i said, your just a magazine bench racer. I actually drive the cars in question.
@nbmblownZ I posted an MM&FF article that illustrated exactly what I've been describing, period. Don't get bitchy just because you are wrong. I would love to hand you a compressor map in person and get you to tell me your thoughts on it.
@LieKiller Your first reaction to my comment was there was no power loss, and that's it. Days later you start reading magazines, and now you "johnny boost". You were lost without MM&FF. But you did what you can after your embarrsing lie you got caught on. I spoke from experience, the engine i was messing with was not a effiecient boost motor, but still ran well, which prob played a factor. You on otherhand talk about other people's experiences.
@nbmblownZ Your know-nothing, bootyhurt feebleness is shining through again. 2 days ago I asked, "You don't seriously think a loss of boost from an increase in headflow results in a loss of power do you? If so you're a know nothing feeb."
My second reply on this topic said, "You're an idiot, power will be gained. Boost isn't a measure of airflow, it is a measure of restriction. If your're forcing the same amount exact volume of air into an engine..."
@nbmblownZ "...If your're forcing the same amount exact volume of air into an engine, one engine measures 16 psi and the other 13-14 psi, the 14 psi engine makes more power. Seen it myself on turbo 2V to 4V swap (same displacement), the 4V picked up 60+ rwhp despite seeing a 4 lb boost drop. If you aren't seeing gains find a new head porter, period."
@nbmblownZ This has nothing to do with MM&FF, you're just flat out bitchy because within 30 seconds on google I was able to find a neutral source that showed what I've been telling you in black and white. You discounted my personal, hands-on experience so I showed you something that you wouldn't be able to dispute. I did, you read it, realized the stupidity of your position and now you latch on to MM&FF as if you have something on me. I am LOL'ing at you, not with you.
@LieKiller Like i said, when i intially made the comment, you had nothing to say besides, there will be no power loss. You did not dispute my comment at all. After your sorry ass probably talked to fifty people and read 100 articles, only then did you dispute it. You're not smart, you're the internet "feeb". I'm on youtube uploading vids, while favoriting and dreaming. You just couldn't stand getting busted out in a lie, and had nothing but personal insults there after. Change the name scrub
@nbmblownZ So I had nothing to say, and yet I called you out on the stupidity of your comment immediately. But hey, if you want to remain a dishonest, ignorant, internet feeb go right ahead. That's seems to be what you do well. The fact of the matter is you do not understand boost, you don't understand superchargers, you don't understand the impact of air flow on boost, you make idiotic comments and become incredibly bootyhurt when you're called on it.
@LieKiller You didn't call shit out. You made a weak attempt at trying to say a pulley on a zo6 and gt500 are the same, then came up with an outragous lie on how pullied gt500s run 8s. I have vids of cars cause i come here(boosted one's too) and upload them because that's what this website is inteded for. You on other hand, come here to troll, and then have the audacity to call someone else a "internet feeb". Your gay ass name is soley based on internet trolling.....
@nbmblownZ Who is gay enough(besides a troll like you) to base a name aound internet arguements? You have no room calling anyone dishonest or an internet feeb. I have proof of the car i talk about, you have no proof but magazine articles. Do you are the epidimy of what a troll is. My arguement was about the effects of porting heads and horsepower. Then your gay ass repeats shit that uis not relevant with anything i said. You had it written down to say regardless what my comment was.
@nbmblownZ The Lingenfelter LS9 swapped 2010 Camaro car needs a TVS spun to it limits and a 400 shot to run 9s.
Tasca Cobra Jet only needs a twin screw to go 8.0s @ 170+, Evolution only needed a twin screw to go 8s in their stock long block 2007 GT500, MMR only needed a turbo to go 6.9s with their stock chassis GT500, John Mihovetz only needed twin 80s to go 6.0 @ 236 with his stock cube 4.6 4V. Single power adder Modular cars all, you dumbass internet feeb.
@LieKiller After looking at the lingenfelter camaro with the ls9 swap, it went 8.9s with full interior, full weight on a six speed! Way faster than the dual power adder, 3 speed gt500 you were lying about, and you lied about this one too! This car has leather and weighs 4100lbs and traps almost 160mph with the factory ls9 blower.
@nbmblownZ You do realize the Lingenfelter LS9 Camaro car is using a ~420 wheel shot on top of that TVS on those runs, right? It's using a dual stage N2O kit, .046 N2O jet on the first stage, .096 jet on the second. You do realize it isn't a stock LS9 either, right? Please tell me about the dual power adder GT500 I lied about, chump.
@nbmblownZ An example of head porting being worth 32 rwhp despite loosing boost on a supercharged 2V: musclemustangfastfords. com /tech/mmfp_0803_fox_lake_two_valve_cylinder_heads/viewall.html
@nbmblownZ Quote from article, "A supercharger is a fixed entity in that the unit moves a specific volume of air at a given impeller rpm. Keeping blower speed identical is essential in a true A-B comparison. We're comparing stock heads versus ported heads, so why change the blower output? Upping blower speed would mean we changed two components instead of one. The extra airflow proved to be worth 32 rwhp, as power increased from 454 rwhp to 485. The boost reading dropped a few pounds..."
@nbmblownZ This is basic engine theory here, pal. If you can't get stuff this basic perhaps you should leave car talk to the guys who actually know the 4 stroke cycle.
Also, combustion chamber design can have alot to do with it. Some combustion chambers will combust boost more efficently than others. Some can even get hot spots etc. There are so many variables when using two different motors, it's ridiculous that you thought that was a good compariaon, and called me an idiot when you did it. The pistons are another variable!! The only thing those motors have in comman is C.I.
@nbmblownZ Combustion chamber design effects airflow via valve shrouding (valve placement) and detonation resistance. Guess what, in my comparison both motors took 16 degrees on pump 93. This is no different than comparing ported heads to non ported heads, as most head porters will clean up the combustion chamber altering CC volume and flame travel/swirl characteristics. But you should know that, if you had a clue about anything.
You're an idiot, power will be gained. Boost isn't a measure of airflow, it is a measure of restriction. If your're forcing the same amount exact volume of air into an engine, one engine measures 16 psi and the other 13-14 psi, the 14 psi engine makes more power. Seen it myself on turbo 2V to 4V swap (same displacement), the 4V picked up 60+ rwhp despite seeing a 4 lb boost drop. If you aren't seeing gains find a new head porter, period.
@LieKiller I'm trying to figure out what your post has to do with the effects of porting heads on a boosted motor. Why you start talking about two completely different motors is beyond me. And who said boost is a measurement of airflow? Sure as hell not me. So, if a blower is moving a certain cfm through a head, and you give the area it moves through more volume, you take away restriction(drops boost) but still move the same cfm of air(no power gain). Get it?
@nbmblownZ I'm explaining to you the idiocy of your opinion. I'm talking the effect of increasing headflow on the same exact engine (Ford 4.6 in this case), what do you think the 2V to 4V swap accomplished? Increased headflow. What you aren't comprehending is that while the power adder is moving the same volume of air, boost drop is representative of overall efficieny. You increase headflow and it allows the engine to better UTILIZE the airflow resulting in a boost drop and HP increase.
@LieKiller Your comparisons are idiotic as the imaginary 8 second gt500s on stock blowers that you brought up. The 4 valver is cammed completely different with a more ideal compression ratio, and valve events. Very bad comparison. Put a naturally aspirated cam with a shit ton of overlap on a blown motor and then a cam with no overlap with nothing else changed, the cam with more overlap will "bleed" more boost out the exhaust, resulting in less power. You think you're clever you're not.
@nbmblownZ The ultimate determining factor of any engine's ability to produce horsepower is cylinder head flow. You increase head flow and realize a boost drop, why? BECAUSE MORE AIR IS BEING CONSUMED BY THE ENGINE. If MORE AIR is allowed to enter the combustion chamber for every intake valve event you will see a boost drop, more air = more fuel = more power, period.
@LieKiller I have done this comparison myself with the blown ls1(before and after head porting) in my uploads. I didn't see it done on two different motors like you have. You're comparing apples with oranges, and thinking, again, you are making a good comparison. No different than your retarded pulley comparison.
@nbmblownZ Wrong, both the 2V and 4V had intake lobes in the 222-224 degree duration range, both on 106 ILCs, both had 9.0:1 CR. The difference came from stock PI 2V heads flowing 175 cfm versus the stock 03/04 4V heads flowing 270 cfm. What it results in is more AIR making it into the CC for every intake valve event, IVEs being constant, this is why BOOST DROPS. More air makes it into the cylinder while the intake valve is open, more fuel is added, more power is found. Period.
@LieKiller Boost is just "back pressure" the blower is seeing from compressing air. A blower pushes the same amount of CFM, regardless what you do to the head. It just does it with less resistance when increasing port volume. You can also say, the motor is making more of the power on its own, and relying less on the blower, but end result is the same.
@nbmblownZ Yes, and what is backpressure measuring...restriction. What you seem unable to comprehend is that if boost DROPS due to an increase in cylinder head flow that means one thing and one thing only, more air is making it into the cylinder per intake valve event thus a reduction in backpressure. Even when total output from the power adder remains constant, a reduction in boost via an increase of airflow = more air = more fuel = more power every time.
It's a Vett.. I'm a huge Mustang fan. But hell, it's a Vett. Of course the GT500 is going to lose. haha It can't even keep up. Although I wish it could..
@gieco53 You'd be surprised what a tune/CAI and a tire woudl do for that Shelby. Modified C6Z vs a stock GT500 is hardly a good comparison of how a GT500 can match up to a Vette. Let me know when a bolt-on C6Z goes bottom 9s or 8s...because bolt-on GT500s have (stock blower).
"evenly" as in they both have simple boltons. Not a bone stock GT500 vs. a bolton Z06. Not to mention the terrible gearing ford puts in a stock GT500. Don't get me wrong I like corvettes, but for my money I'd buy a new GT500 all day, expecially when the 2013 comes out.
This guy def can't drive the GT500. I m a chevy guy but I know for dammm sure you can kick a GT500 harder than that. And the GT1000 beats all my vettes. :( I want Chevy to come out with a TT Z1000 so we can have all the rights :) Haha
Most 2011 and 2012 GT500s run a lot closer to a ZO6 than the car in the video. My brother has a ZO6 and I have a Shelby. It seems the Mustang driver was either afraid to go full throttle or his car is sick. Hand-holding a camera in an accelerating GT500 is very difficult without a shakey result. Something's not right. Yeh, the ZO6 is faster but not by that much.
@modmob. Well the 03-04 cobra seems to beat the shit out of alot of ls1 camaro's. Prob cus there all pulley'd/ tune. Either way it doesn't really matter. Both great cars
Ppl sound stupid when they say put this or that and then let's see what happens.. No shit u retards.. Put a jet engine and then let's see what happens.. Although not all driver are the same.. You win some n u loose some
@Haze5smoke Just quit hating on people based solely on what brand they drive. I've beat camaros that have said 'my cars got this and this' and then i beat him and they say timing problems or whatever, i've also had my ass handed to me by camaros, no excuses just a friendly conversation afterwards.
@shoppy16 Unfortunately there isn't enough of that out there, having friendly conversations after the race...Too many times people run their mouths before and/or after a race. I just enjoy the race itself, I don't really care if I win or lose...
@Haze5smoke Yes, but the camaros do weigh several hundred pounds less and a stock vs stock race is closer in the real world than it is on paper. Im just trying to make a point, and its annoying when people post something about "mustang owners" or "camaro owners" as if they are all the same. And believe it or not, there are some cool motherfuckers that drive mustangs.....and camaros, challengers etc.
@shoppy16... But the year camaro's ur talking about have 315-325 motor h.p so more like 290-300 rwhp. The termi has 370-390 rwhp. Tis the reason they will lose
Love both cars man.. but the shelby is more practical for me and it cost less. Pulley tune and bolt ons.. 620 rwhp
santiagomel00 1 day ago
Gt500 such a disappointment! Once again!
alohasoy 1 week ago
Wow, what a revelation to find out cars are actually age specific. I didn't realize you needed to be in a crisis to own a vette, so I f'up and bought 4 by age 30. Didn't ever find myself in a mustang though, however who cares what the hell somebody else drives...some of you sound like 5th grade bitches running your mouths' about what other people drive, or don't drive. If you prefer stangs, then drive one, if you dig vettes, then get one, do you and FTW...bitches.
Maurena123 1 week ago
yea the gt 40 wud smoke the z06
Tpayne9204 1 week ago
The ford GT would crush that vette like nothing.
Fleuuuuur 1 week ago
@Fleuuuuur Actually no, are you retarded?
chrismalpass97 1 week ago
fucking vettes man. so fast on top end
ralphpehrson 1 week ago
a better race is going to be the ZL1 camaro vs the new GT500, the vette is in another class than the mustang of course it won.
Chris02LS1ss 1 week ago
the corvette is an exotic not a muscle so yea its gott a unfair advantage
Tpayne9204 1 week ago
@Tpayne9204 Corvette is made by Chevrolet? last time i checked Chevy is American lol
Fultzy02 1 week ago
@Tpayne9204
I dunno.. I wouldn't go so far as to consider the corvette exotic. It isn't a pony car either though.. matter of fact.. I don't know what to classify it as other then a american sports car.
mustangtibor 1 week ago
it's always about power to weight issue especially down low , heavier car is harder to get it moving all else equal, but I wouldn't feel to bad losing to z06 , they do ask a lot of money for those cars these days. Its got an aluminum frame for christs sake and a lot of carbon fiber
redhot916spd 2 weeks ago
@redhot916spd Then DON'T race a ZO6, and you will save yourself the embarrassment.
chrismalpass97 1 week ago
@chrismalpass97 Dude the 2013 gt500 wil put the z06 in its place :) dont worry you'll be regreting everything you just said soon enough :)
jacob50566 1 week ago
@jacob50566 And the 2013 ZO6 will keep the gt500 in its place :) Like it always has :)
chrismalpass97 1 week ago
@chrismalpass97 HA ok, like the z06 owned the 03/04 cobra's right?? keep dreamin man
jacob50566 1 week ago
@jacob50566 Please retype that, I'm afraid I can't read that "caveman" language.
chrismalpass97 1 week ago
@chrismalpass97 That's what'd i'd say too if I was a chevy fan.
jacob50566 1 week ago
@jacob50566 Thank you for the correct spelling. Also, you obviously ran out of things to say, therefor meaning I'm disinterested, goodbye.
chrismalpass97 1 week ago
@jacob50566 Sorry, but the 2013 shelby won't even come close to the 2013 z06;) True story.
AdrenalineRush14 3 days ago
@AdrenalineRush14 You'll see lol
jacob50566 3 days ago
Not GM's fault Ford doesn't make anything to compete with the Vette. LOL
N2OZR2 2 weeks ago
@N2OZR2
Bah, I'm still young, I'll stick with the Mustang when I retire or go into a midlife crisis then I'll think about buying a corvette.
mustangtibor 1 week ago
@mustangtibor
As for nothing to compete? I think you mean GM has nothing to compete with the Ford GT. Ford GT is a supercar... corvette isn't.
mustangtibor 1 week ago
@mustangtibor You mean the overrated Ford GT that was bringing double the MSRP for Z06 level performance? Just imagine how bad the ZR1 would embarrass the GT while being 30K cheaper.
N2OZR2 1 week ago
@N2OZR2 Not to mention that the ZO6 already spanks the GT.
chrismalpass97 1 week ago
@N2OZR2 riddle me this batman, why does the ford hold its value so much better than the vette? doesn't make any sense does it
redhot916spd 1 week ago
Power/Weight Ratio and Aerodynamics FTW
Greendude33 2 weeks ago
Wow the Shelby did a lot better than I thought it would.
joeympower 2 weeks ago
stupid chevy guys are too busy with there head up there asses to even think, look you most be stupid to choose a vette over the shelby,1 its cheaper,has a lot more hp, and at the same time it has a lot of space,just saying do the calculations here,plus the vette has almost $30 ,000 over the gt.
sarge8504 2 weeks ago in playlist street racing
@sarge8504 Stupid Mustang guys like yourself are broke rednecks who can't spell. You must be stupid to try and call out a Vette when you can't even type correctly.
chrismalpass97 1 week ago
Amazing how much 800lbs kills a car..lol.
logut80 3 weeks ago
Yea maby the 2013 shelby would take this, still would get shit on by a zr1. Can't wait till the new viper arrives to start raping shit.
bean59 3 weeks ago
O I SAW THAT ON THE SECOND ONE THE MUSTANG TRIED TO CHEAT IF U HAVE TO CHEAT TO WIN.UR A PIECE OF SHIT.U WERE ALREADY GOING BEFORE THE VETT HONKED THE 3RD TIME.
d0750588 4 weeks ago
Jesus....Im gonna smack you mustang owners....for the last time, if its a Vette...the race is over before it begins....if its a Z06...you have no place even being beside it lol
GTO19020 4 weeks ago
this looks like a florida highway
chivasx90 1 month ago
nbmblownZ...computer keys burning from google searches. lol
LieKiller 1 month ago
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LieKiller 1 month ago
Ill take a shelby over a corrvette anyday nothing has changed on those peices of plastic
SuperchargedMustang5 1 month ago
I also sent you the video of the 674 rwhp zr1 on 13.5 psi, that come with a 3 year 36,000 mile warrenty.
nbmblownZ 1 month ago
Reading further, hennessy said it put down a little over 700rwhp uncorrected. He was also confident in saying that the motor will last a couple hundred thousand miles with proper break in(he sells zr1s with the package). I would say it's tuned conservatively.
nbmblownZ 1 month ago
@nbmblownZ I would say hennessey is a known shyster, ask him what he did with all of those Viper hoods he stole from his customers. 700 rwhp uncorrected in 25 degree weather maybe, let's see those SAE corrected sub-600 rwhp dyno sheets.
LieKiller 1 month ago
As for 4.2 psi making a 100 rwhp. I meant 100 crank. It made over 50 rwhp with a cai and exhaust, i think that further proves that the tune is very conservative, considering the gains. And the fact that Hennessy isn't stupid enough to put an aggressive tune in a boosted street car then warrenty it.
My last comment i said lingenfelter, i meant hennesy.
nbmblownZ 1 month ago
@nbmblownZ Correction the hennesy package at 13.5 psi with head work and a cam makes 676 rwhp and 640 rw tq.
nbmblownZ 1 month ago
@nbmblownZ Crank or rear wheel, 4.2 psi isn't getting anywhere close to 100 HP for the LS9. 4.2 psi PLUS full-on supporting/breathing mods plus a great tune is doable, but 4.2 psi alone with a conservative tune just isn't happening. Not even close.
LieKiller 1 month ago
These aluminum blocks in the gt500 have a plasma coated cylinders instead of sleeves. I guess they did it to save weight but the cost of block strength. You can not bore the cylinders out anymore, and if you need a rebuild, you're gonna have to buy a new block. I'm guessing you can get the block sleeved, but it still will have to be thin due to bore spacing, and will cost double of what you can get a new block for.
nbmblownZ 1 month ago
@nbmblownZ Proof that PWTA liners cost block strength? Pressing in a set of 3.700" dry sleeves (5.8 bore is 3.66") does not cost as much as a new block. 3.700" bores are what RoushYates run with 600+ HP (n/a) in their 5.0s and 5.3s in the 24 hrs of LeMans cars. The 5.4/5.8 AL block can safely be taken over 3.70". Anymore rumors, hearsay, and uninformed speculation you'd like to share?
LieKiller 1 month ago
@nbmblownZ Nissan uses the PWTA cylinder coatings (which they licensed from Ford) in the GT-R. BMW among others have been using Alusil and Nikasil cylinder linings in lieu of pressed in cast iron liners for years.
LieKiller 1 month ago
Dyno of pulley (14 psi), tune, header/full exhaust, CAI ZR1 - 581/599
/watch?v=Vva9IeaXil0&eurl
Sorry, but 4.2 psi alone won't give a ZR1 anywhere near 100 HP.
The old 5.4 GT500s are seeing 650-680 to the wheels with similar mods as above + the TVS & 15-16 psi. The 5.8 will flat blow those numbers away with the right inlet and tune.
LieKiller 1 month ago
@LieKiller The zr1 is on a very conservative street tune, and makes 705 hp and 717 ft lbs of torque(crank) on 13.5 psi (with warrenty). On the vmp vid, there is comment from a guy saying vmp blew his motor, and when he got it rebuilt, the engine builder blamed it on the tune. Then i searched and saw them making 697 rwhp on 20 psi and c16 race fuel. These cars have very aggresive tunes to put out glory numbers, to the point this dude is popping motors.
nbmblownZ 1 month ago
@nbmblownZ 581 rwhp does not equal 705 crank HP. It also had more than a simple boost increase, namely inlet and full exhaust (including headers). The point, which you conveniently missed, is that 4.2 psi by itself isn't worth anything close to 100 HP on an otherwise stock ZR1. That car had a 3 lb increase, including aftermarket supporting mods, and only picked up ~50 HP. Proof of "conservative tune"? What is the A/F, what is the timing, how does it compare to the stock ZR1 tune?
LieKiller 1 month ago
@LieKiller According to lingenfelter, that package makes 705 crank hp and 717 torque. The 3.70 inch bore is sleeved. You're saying the spray on liner blocks are as strong as the sleeved blocks? Why does mmr sell sleeved blocks as an upgrade, and how much does it cost to get a block sleeved vs the cost of the block(aluminum 5.4 or 5.8 modular). Also, my speculation on the conservative tune is because lingenfelter offers a 36000 3 year warrenty with the kit.
nbmblownZ 1 month ago
@nbmblownZ I'm saying there are no block strength differences between PWTA coatings and cast iron dry sleeves. MMR sells WET sleeved (Darton) blocks as a way to get a 3.7" bore from the 5.4 iron block, the iron block 4.6/5.4 can't be taken to a 3.700" bore like the aluminum blocks can. The only iron Modular block that can accommodate the 3.700" bore is the FRPP Boss block, which isn't offered in the 5.4 deck height. Dry sleeving AL blocks depends on the builder, usually about $1,000.
LieKiller 1 month ago
@nbmblownZ ...and that cost is re-sleeving the aluminum block to take it from 3.552" to 3.700". You're not going to score a NEW 5.4 aluminum block (Ford GT or '11-up GT500) for $1,000, you'd have to land a deal on a used one somehow.
LieKiller 1 month ago
@LieKiller Lingenfelter also offers 650 rwhp packages@13.5 psi with a 3 year 36000 mile warrenty(it has a cam and headwork). I'm sure it's alot more of a consrvative tune than what vmp's 660 rwhp on over 20 psi while popping motors for the sake of marketing, and fooling people like you to make "educated guesses" based on their glory numbers.
nbmblownZ 1 month ago
@nbmblownZ VMP made 660 rw with a 15% OD damper and stock upper, that ain't 20 psi pal, and is a damn slight more than 700 crank HP. What you aren't getting is the implication for the 5.8. Same basic heads but flowing ~10% more via the bore increase, far better matched higher lift cams (old GT500s used tiny 03/04 Mach 1/Cobra cams), .5 point more compression, another 750 rpm, and the same s/c. Mod for mod I can pretty much guarantee the 5.8 is going to beat LS9 rear wheel numbers.
LieKiller 1 month ago
@LieKiller I'm sending you dyno sheets from VMP making 666 rwhp and 674 tq with 20.16 psi with the tvs 2300. Then 697 rwhp 702 tq with 20.62 psi on c16 race fuel.
As for sleeved 5.4 blocks, you're looking at around $3300(for parts and labor), i'm sending you quotes on that too. The 5.8 is making 12 more horsepower, but is making 4.2 psi more than the ls9. It's got nothing on the ls9. Sorry.
nbmblownZ 1 month ago
@nbmblownZ Dry sleeved 5.8s are a little cheaper. MMR sells them for $3500 with the block. Dry sleeved blocks are stronger than sprayed on cylinder liner ford uses on the aluminum blocks. MMR claims the blocks to be "very strong and reliable" utilizing iron sleeves.
nbmblownZ 1 month ago
@nbmblownZ Show me proof of cast iron sleeves being stronger than PWTA lined blocks. Let's see the engineering data, let's see those torsional stiffness calculations.
LieKiller 1 month ago
@nbmblownZ By the by, the Hennessey ZR750 has....get this:
-Ported heads
-aftermarket camshaft,
-LTs, full exhaust
-new blower inlet, etc.
Again, let me say this AGAIN, 4.2 psi on a stock engine isn't worth anywhere close to 100 HP.
P.S., thanks for again reiterating the impact of cylinder head flow on supercharged cars. Ported heads and cam made a rather huge gain verses the ZR700 stock heads and cam despite the same the same boost. Thanks for proving my point yet again... :-)
LieKiller 1 month ago
@nbmblownZ Again, I'm not interested in the prices of Dartons, they require extensive machining (after machining there are no cylinder walls left, only an open deck before the wet sleeves are fitted) and are tricky to secure. I'm talking dry sleeves only. I had John Tymensky dry sleeve a Teksid block for $1000, $1300 and change with shipping about 1.5 years ago. He was maintaining these prices up to 6 months ago. Dry sleeve pricing has actually come down since 2003-2004.
LieKiller 1 month ago
@nbmblownZ What's your point? I already showed you VMP making 660 with a 15% OD damper and stock upper, SAE corrected.
LieKiller 1 month ago
Also, the 2013 gt500 has the same blower as the ls9 and makes 14.7psi @ 650hp vs the ls9 10.5 psi @638hp. 4.2 more psi and only 12 more hp? 4.2 psi is worth atleast 100hp on the ls9. Ls9 is way more efficient.
nbmblownZ 1 month ago
@nbmblownZ the LS9 is also .4 liters larger, but you didnt care to mention that did you? i love both corvettes and mustangs, but the facts are the facts you cant just ignore some to strengthen your argument. and 4psi is not worth 100hp on the zr1 lmao. not to mention, the magazine muscle mustangs and fast fords got to go to ford's factory where they are producing the 2013 5.8L v8, and on a dyno test there they observed 670+hp at 7000rpm, ford rates 650hp at its indefinitely sustainable rpm 6250
svtcobra1992 1 month ago
@svtcobra1992 I forgot to mention the zr1 puts out more torque. That can be attributed by ci. We'll see when the gt500 comes out what it does.
You don't think 4.2 psi is worth 100 hp? You don't think that blower is making 25 hp per pound of boost on the zr1? I don't believe the ls9 is making over 400 hp without the blower.
nbmblownZ 1 month ago
@nbmblownZ i do not think that increasing the boost 4psi alone will net you 100hp. but, i could believe that 4psi + longtubes + CAI + aggressive tune = around 100hp on the LS9. In the end though, we are comparing a 60k 4 seater muscle car to a 125k 2 seater sports/super car. the fact that the mustang has a chance to stick with a zr1 is a victory for Ford. bang for your buck has never been better. at the very least, the shelby will hand a Z06 its ass on a highway or track. gotta love competition!
svtcobra1992 1 month ago
@svtcobra1992 your a stupid fuck, he's racing a zo6, not a zr1? And for the record he wasn't hanging with the zo6, he was getting pulled on the whole race, dumbass
motomidget11 3 weeks ago
@motomidget11 when in the motherfuck did i ever say this shelby was racing a zr1? check your fucking shit before you try to talk shit to me motherfucker! "nbmblownZ" and "Liekiller" were having a discussion on the 2013 gt500 vs the ZR1 you ignorant fuck. my comment was regarding that arguement, it had nothing to do with this video. if you re-read my comments i said that in the very least the 2013, <-- (note it says TWO-THOUSAND-THIRTEEN) gt500 will walk the current 505hp Z06. stop assuming bitch
svtcobra1992 3 weeks ago
@svtcobra1992 shelby has no chance with a z06.Nione whatsoever!!!!!!I own a c6 z06 and the only car on the road that beats me on a roll is...A zr1.
camirocz 3 weeks ago
@camirocz read my response comment to "motomidget11". i was talking about the upcoming 2013 gt500 WILL beat the Z06. i never said the 2012 would beat the z06. jackass
svtcobra1992 3 weeks ago
@svtcobra1992 jackass you call your first kid, moron,
camirocz 3 weeks ago
@camirocz you're a fucking joke, you're just embarrassed because you assumed like a little bitch then you were corrected. fucking trolls
svtcobra1992 3 weeks ago
@svtcobra1992 Assumed whatasholethat you re a broke peice of shit?Thats a given go play with your 4.6 mustang....hahahahaha all 260 h.p of it lol hahahahahahaha
camirocz 3 weeks ago
@camirocz i didnt know "what asshole that" was really all one word. your horrible grammar turned the first four words of your sentence into two. so did your parents sign you out of school in 5th or 6th grade? yeah you're right i am broke, because i am in college making something of myself hahaha. like i said before, you are a fucking troll you have absolutely no base to your argument, do everyone a favor and back away from the keyboard you might dumb people down to your level.
svtcobra1992 3 weeks ago
@svtcobra1992 Here just fo you: asshole!There does that make you feel somewhat more fulfilled?Can you now look forward to a good nights sleep?I wouldnt want your grades to suffer on account of me insulting you and by the same token burden you with having to read my messages full of spelling or accidentally hitting the wrong key mistakes.Now go back to your room and study while the adults play on you tube,Once your homework is all done you may return.
camirocz 3 weeks ago
@camirocz hahaha do you realize how fucking retarded you look to everybody on the outside of this argument reading this? you were the one that commented on MY post with YOUR assumptions then you were flat out told and can't think of a legitimate counter argument. honestly, you are arguing with me over nothing
svtcobra1992 3 weeks ago
@svtcobra1992 I don't think the 2013 GT500 will have the traction to beat a Z06. I mean the 750hp Super Snake is almost a second of a Z06s 1/4mile time isn't it?
iPROFITDON 2 weeks ago
@iPROFITDON there is a video on youtube that talks about traction issues, ford corrected them on the 2013 by using better tires, taller gears that allow it to reach 60mph+ in 1st gear, and launch control. Ford had guaranteed 0-60mph in "no more" than 3.7 seconds. so in response to your comment, yes the 2013 gt500 will beat a Z06
svtcobra1992 2 weeks ago
@svtcobra1992 The Z06 is hitting 60 in 3.5 according to MT IIRC. So how do you figure that? At any rate I'd have to see it to believe it, as much as I'd love to believe it. The thought of Ford finally making a GT500 that's worth some shit outside of burning rubber is great.
iPROFITDON 2 weeks ago
@iPROFITDON i like vettes too dont get me wrong, but im being realistic. the Z06 might have a slight advantage in 0-60 but you cant argue with 650hp when it is up and moving. just like how the zr1 isnt really any quicker to 60mph than the z06, but once it is moving the thing hauls ass. plus we know for a fact that the gt500 WILL pull harder on the top end than the Z considering it hits 202mph+. the vette isnt even in the mustangs class but yet the gt500 competes/beats it. we will see in may
svtcobra1992 2 weeks ago
@svtcobra1992 I'm not really feeling it but we will have to wait and see. There's a lot more that goes in to that pull after 60mph.
I've read from a couple sites now that it's running mid 11s, which could put it as much as a second behind the ZR1, but I don't see that big of a gap.
Maybe top speed is their main goal here? Geared to tap out at redline at 202 mph.
iPROFITDON 2 weeks ago
@iPROFITDON the fastest magazine test i saw for the ZR1 was 11.2sec 1/4 mile, so im not quite sure where you are seeig the shelby a second behind? the Z06 runs 11.6-11.8 consistently so the shelby and Z should be very comparable in that respect. i'd have to look into whether the gt500 hits 202mph at redline or because of aerodynamic drag. what i do know is that it hits 202mph in 5th gear, not 6th so im leaning towards aerodynamic drag being the limiting factor.
svtcobra1992 2 weeks ago
@svtcobra1992
watch?v=Ct_RxkWp41g Z06 11.02 on stock rubber
watch?v=ioNkkdQ896E 10.7 on drag radials
watch?v=r2EsAz2GCHo ZR1 10.6 on stock rubber
watch?v=ptZbFx6v98I 10.37 on drag radials
I believe the GT500 is geared like the Z06, 60 at the top of first and tops out in 5th gear. I'm sure aerodynamic drag is a limiting factor with that car. What I can't wait for is someone to take the limiter off the vert and run 200mph.
iPROFITDON 2 weeks ago
@iPROFITDON ive seen those videos you sent, but you have to realize that Ranger did those on a perfectly prepped track at sea level and he has a ton of experience with corvettes. magazine tests dont do the 1/4 mile test on tracks, they do them on open asphalt (watch motortrend vids) which is why a good driver on a true 1/4 mile track can pull better numbers. plus they arent going to try to drop a few tenths by trying all day long they have tests to run. 200mph in a vert would be scary IMO haha
svtcobra1992 2 weeks ago
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@svtcobra1992 GM is not at all worried about the new GT500... I have seen 2012 supersnakes with thousands of dollars more in suspension and chassis upgrades that cannot get their 800 horses to the ground. A 50-60K GT500 will not be better than a $100,000 dollar 800HP Mustang. GM will take note when the GT500 ditches the live axle... The ZL1 with 580HP will be just fine.
Greendude33 1 week ago
@svtcobra1992 A $100,000 2012 Supersnake with more technical chassis and suspension upgrades and 800 BHP still runs slower 0-60 and 1/4 miles times than a stock Z06. No one at GM is worried about any live axled stang end of story..
Greendude33 2 weeks ago
@Greendude33 read my comments to iPROFITDON, we arent talking about an aftermarket kit package you slap on a mustang and go, this is a factory beast putting down numbers like 650hp, 0-60 in 3.7s, 1/4 mile in mid 11's, 6 piston brakes, 202mph, 1.00G+ roadholding. the shelby was extensively tested and developed on the nurburgring. for $60k you get all that and 4 seats as a bonus. the fact that the shelby even competes and beats a corvette is amazing, they arent in the same car class remember.
svtcobra1992 2 weeks ago
@svtcobra1992 Ford doesn't compete.
chrismalpass97 1 week ago
@camirocz That the only car? ARE YOU SURE, PRIVATE PILE?
SSnake2002 2 weeks ago
@nbmblownZ The old 8.5:1 5.4s routinely make 575-600 to the wheels on TVSs @ 15 lbs, figure a 15% driveline loss and that's EASILY over 650 crank HP. Ford's either got the '13 severely detuned or their flat out sandbagging with that 650 HP rating. The '13 has 9.0:1, Ford GT cams, & TVS from the factory. Tune and inlet upgrades alone should have that thing breaking 700 to the wheels. The LS9 has been flat out outgunned by the 5.8.
LieKiller 1 month ago
@LieKiller The ls9 hasn't been outgunned. It's outgunned because of your speculation? Lol. As for the ls9 camaro, it was only running 16psi. Whether that was maxed out or not i don't know. But it neede nitrous to move that pig. I don't like the new camaro, nor the gt500s. Both are fat pigs, and need to much power to move, which in my opinion is a waste.
nbmblownZ 1 month ago
@nbmblownZ Of course it has been outgunned, you're the one stuck on factory HP ratings. Bottom line is the 5.8 is the world's most powerful mass produced V8 and the LS9 isn't. As far as speculation, call it educated speculation. There's no way a big bore 5.8, 9:1, FGT cammed, TVS 2300 @ 15 psi, 4V only makes 650 crank HP when the old 5.4 was able to come withing spitting distance of that at the WHEELS with a TVS and similar boost. Ain't happening, tune or sandbagged #s is the reality.
LieKiller 1 month ago
@nbmblownZ Left this off of my last post.
Dyno of ~15 psi (15% o/d damper, stock upper) TVS 5.4 GT500 with CAI, 671/695: /watch?v=kfOjC0i7Xsg
Like I already said the 5.8 with more compression, larger bore, cams better matched to the heads, etc. will blow the old 5.4's numbers away mod for mod.
LieKiller 1 month ago
@LieKiller Both the 2013 gt500 and zr1 are on very conservative tunes from the factory for the simple fact ford or chevy don't want to warrenty ticking time bombs.
nbmblownZ 1 month ago
You're a loser that envys other people's cars and trolls on the net. Those cars in my uploads race for stacks of hundreds, your gay ass races your cum dumpster and reeboks.
nbmblownZ 1 month ago
Boost drops because the blower doesn't have to compress as much air to achieve a certain cfm of flow.
nbmblownZ 1 month ago
@nbmblownZ LMFAO, you really don't understand how superchargers work. CFM is independant of BOOST, spin a centrifugal a certain speed and total cfm output remains constant for a given RPM. Boost is simply a measure a RESTRICTION of the airflow through the engine, 1 engine may take 1200 cfm and produce 18 lbs or boost, while a better flowing and/or larger displacement engine may take that same 1200 cfm and only produce 14 lbs of boost.
LieKiller 1 month ago
@LieKiller I basically said the same thing. I never said or implied boost was a measurment of airflow. Why you keep repeating the same shit i don't know. Like i said, your comparison you made on the 2valve and 4 valve was complete b.s.
nbmblownZ 1 month ago
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@nbmblownZ You said, "Boost drops because the blower doesn't have to compress as much air to achieve a certain cfm of flow."
For a given impeller speed, the s/c is compressing the same amount of air regardless of manifold pressure. That statement isn't "basically the same as what I said". Your statement shows a FUNDAMENTAL minsunderstanding. Simply put, you do NOT "understand boost".
LieKiller 1 month ago
And cam specs are way off from what you posted.
nbmblownZ 1 month ago
Not to mention 2 exhaust valves on the 4 valver can evacuate exhaust gasses alot more eficiently than the two valvers on exhaust valve. Which will be a factor. I can keep going and going.
nbmblownZ 1 month ago
@nbmblownZ You can keep floundering and floundering you mean.
Stock 03/04 Cobra head flow - 270/195
Stock 99+ PI 2V head flow - 170/150
Of course exhaust side flow is a factor, but it isn't the dominant factor in this case. Besides, how often do head porters cut the intake port and leave the exhaust port alone, meaning it is just as much a factor in virtually any "apples-to-apples" ported head test. But again, you would know this if you had a clue.
LieKiller 1 month ago
@LieKiller So you changed compression on both motors to match and cam specs? Because your numbers are way off. 03 04 cobra's are 8.5:1 and 9.8:1 for the two valve. Maybe you knew you would have this debate and did the coparison ahead of time?
Your talking out your ass.
nbmblownZ 1 month ago
@nbmblownZ Jesus you are one bootyhurt, know-nothing numbskull. This was a TURBO setup, both engines were built yet utlilizing stock heads with no port work. Both engines had aftermarket cams. Compression and camshaft duration was kept fairly constant, the 2V utlitized .550" lift cams (224/225 106/110) the 4V used .475"/.450" lift cams (224/222 106/110 LCs) , both were built with stock compression. I don't need to make shit up to prove from internet feeb wrong, you do that yourself.
LieKiller 1 month ago
@LieKiller 03 04 cobras have 8.5:1 compression vs the 2 valves 9.8:1. Internet feeb? Like i said i have the car in my uploads that i was talking about, you have magazine articles, and think you are smart. It's me against MM&FF, not you. You're a retard who thinks gt500s runs 8s on the stock blower.
nbmblownZ 1 month ago
@nbmblownZ You are an internet feeb, you are arguing about a topic you flat out don't understand and trying to convince yourself you have a clue. You don't. I just found an article that showed exactly what I've been telling you from a 30 second google search, end of story. You don't know what you are talking about, you are unarmed for a technical discussion and it's obvious.
LieKiller 1 month ago
@LieKiller B.S i understand boost well. You're just bent out of shape you have a name liekiller, and start out our "debate" with a lie, so you try and put words in my mouth. When i first stated there will be no power increase, you had nothing to say, now you have alot to say with magazine articles. Go back and drive your pinto to the track and watch pullied gt500s run 8s, liar...Lmao
nbmblownZ 1 month ago
@LieKiller Sorry, NOT stock compression. Stock heads and chambers, but both were 9.0:1 engines. Both used Diamond pistons (different dish obviously, given the 4V chamber is 52cc versus 44cc for 2V) with valve reliefs specific to the different valve layouts. No need to discuss 2V vs 4V, I just gave you proof of ported head gains on a centrifugal 2V with the same exact pulley arrangement, only change being head porting (via Fox Lake). Considering this schooling free.
LieKiller 1 month ago
@LieKiller Did you pay MM&FF mag for your schooling? My engine probably didn't effieciently combust the extra airflow which is why i didn't see an increase. It was also a 10.0:1 compression engine. Who knows, but don't quote magazine articles and think you are smart. Like i said, your just a magazine bench racer. I actually drive the cars in question.
nbmblownZ 1 month ago
@nbmblownZ I posted an MM&FF article that illustrated exactly what I've been describing, period. Don't get bitchy just because you are wrong. I would love to hand you a compressor map in person and get you to tell me your thoughts on it.
LieKiller 1 month ago
@LieKiller Your first reaction to my comment was there was no power loss, and that's it. Days later you start reading magazines, and now you "johnny boost". You were lost without MM&FF. But you did what you can after your embarrsing lie you got caught on. I spoke from experience, the engine i was messing with was not a effiecient boost motor, but still ran well, which prob played a factor. You on otherhand talk about other people's experiences.
nbmblownZ 1 month ago
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@nbmblownZ Your know-nothing, bootyhurt feebleness is shining through again. 2 days ago I asked, "You don't seriously think a loss of boost from an increase in headflow results in a loss of power do you? If so you're a know nothing feeb."
My second reply on this topic said, "You're an idiot, power will be gained. Boost isn't a measure of airflow, it is a measure of restriction. If your're forcing the same amount exact volume of air into an engine..."
LieKiller 1 month ago
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@nbmblownZ "...If your're forcing the same amount exact volume of air into an engine, one engine measures 16 psi and the other 13-14 psi, the 14 psi engine makes more power. Seen it myself on turbo 2V to 4V swap (same displacement), the 4V picked up 60+ rwhp despite seeing a 4 lb boost drop. If you aren't seeing gains find a new head porter, period."
LieKiller 1 month ago
@nbmblownZ This has nothing to do with MM&FF, you're just flat out bitchy because within 30 seconds on google I was able to find a neutral source that showed what I've been telling you in black and white. You discounted my personal, hands-on experience so I showed you something that you wouldn't be able to dispute. I did, you read it, realized the stupidity of your position and now you latch on to MM&FF as if you have something on me. I am LOL'ing at you, not with you.
LieKiller 1 month ago
@LieKiller Like i said, when i intially made the comment, you had nothing to say besides, there will be no power loss. You did not dispute my comment at all. After your sorry ass probably talked to fifty people and read 100 articles, only then did you dispute it. You're not smart, you're the internet "feeb". I'm on youtube uploading vids, while favoriting and dreaming. You just couldn't stand getting busted out in a lie, and had nothing but personal insults there after. Change the name scrub
nbmblownZ 1 month ago
@nbmblownZ So I had nothing to say, and yet I called you out on the stupidity of your comment immediately. But hey, if you want to remain a dishonest, ignorant, internet feeb go right ahead. That's seems to be what you do well. The fact of the matter is you do not understand boost, you don't understand superchargers, you don't understand the impact of air flow on boost, you make idiotic comments and become incredibly bootyhurt when you're called on it.
LieKiller 1 month ago
@LieKiller You didn't call shit out. You made a weak attempt at trying to say a pulley on a zo6 and gt500 are the same, then came up with an outragous lie on how pullied gt500s run 8s. I have vids of cars cause i come here(boosted one's too) and upload them because that's what this website is inteded for. You on other hand, come here to troll, and then have the audacity to call someone else a "internet feeb". Your gay ass name is soley based on internet trolling.....
nbmblownZ 1 month ago
@nbmblownZ Who is gay enough(besides a troll like you) to base a name aound internet arguements? You have no room calling anyone dishonest or an internet feeb. I have proof of the car i talk about, you have no proof but magazine articles. Do you are the epidimy of what a troll is. My arguement was about the effects of porting heads and horsepower. Then your gay ass repeats shit that uis not relevant with anything i said. You had it written down to say regardless what my comment was.
nbmblownZ 1 month ago
@LieKiller Also, ls cars don't need two power adders to run 9's.
nbmblownZ 1 month ago
@nbmblownZ The Lingenfelter LS9 swapped 2010 Camaro car needs a TVS spun to it limits and a 400 shot to run 9s.
Tasca Cobra Jet only needs a twin screw to go 8.0s @ 170+, Evolution only needed a twin screw to go 8s in their stock long block 2007 GT500, MMR only needed a turbo to go 6.9s with their stock chassis GT500, John Mihovetz only needed twin 80s to go 6.0 @ 236 with his stock cube 4.6 4V. Single power adder Modular cars all, you dumbass internet feeb.
LieKiller 1 month ago
@LieKiller After looking at the lingenfelter camaro with the ls9 swap, it went 8.9s with full interior, full weight on a six speed! Way faster than the dual power adder, 3 speed gt500 you were lying about, and you lied about this one too! This car has leather and weighs 4100lbs and traps almost 160mph with the factory ls9 blower.
nbmblownZ 1 month ago
@nbmblownZ You do realize the Lingenfelter LS9 Camaro car is using a ~420 wheel shot on top of that TVS on those runs, right? It's using a dual stage N2O kit, .046 N2O jet on the first stage, .096 jet on the second. You do realize it isn't a stock LS9 either, right? Please tell me about the dual power adder GT500 I lied about, chump.
LieKiller 1 month ago
@LieKiller Go ask someone or a magazine what your next reply should be.
nbmblownZ 1 month ago
@nbmblownZ An example of head porting being worth 32 rwhp despite loosing boost on a supercharged 2V: musclemustangfastfords. com /tech/mmfp_0803_fox_lake_two_valve_cylinder_heads/viewall.html
LieKiller 1 month ago
@nbmblownZ Quote from article, "A supercharger is a fixed entity in that the unit moves a specific volume of air at a given impeller rpm. Keeping blower speed identical is essential in a true A-B comparison. We're comparing stock heads versus ported heads, so why change the blower output? Upping blower speed would mean we changed two components instead of one. The extra airflow proved to be worth 32 rwhp, as power increased from 454 rwhp to 485. The boost reading dropped a few pounds..."
LieKiller 1 month ago
@nbmblownZ This is basic engine theory here, pal. If you can't get stuff this basic perhaps you should leave car talk to the guys who actually know the 4 stroke cycle.
LieKiller 1 month ago
@LieKiller Leave the car talk to MM&FF readers who imagine 8 second gt500s and lie about comparisons. Ironic your name is liekiller.
nbmblownZ 1 month ago
Also, combustion chamber design can have alot to do with it. Some combustion chambers will combust boost more efficently than others. Some can even get hot spots etc. There are so many variables when using two different motors, it's ridiculous that you thought that was a good compariaon, and called me an idiot when you did it. The pistons are another variable!! The only thing those motors have in comman is C.I.
nbmblownZ 1 month ago
@nbmblownZ Combustion chamber design effects airflow via valve shrouding (valve placement) and detonation resistance. Guess what, in my comparison both motors took 16 degrees on pump 93. This is no different than comparing ported heads to non ported heads, as most head porters will clean up the combustion chamber altering CC volume and flame travel/swirl characteristics. But you should know that, if you had a clue about anything.
LieKiller 1 month ago
You're an idiot, power will be gained. Boost isn't a measure of airflow, it is a measure of restriction. If your're forcing the same amount exact volume of air into an engine, one engine measures 16 psi and the other 13-14 psi, the 14 psi engine makes more power. Seen it myself on turbo 2V to 4V swap (same displacement), the 4V picked up 60+ rwhp despite seeing a 4 lb boost drop. If you aren't seeing gains find a new head porter, period.
LieKiller 1 month ago
@LieKiller I'm trying to figure out what your post has to do with the effects of porting heads on a boosted motor. Why you start talking about two completely different motors is beyond me. And who said boost is a measurement of airflow? Sure as hell not me. So, if a blower is moving a certain cfm through a head, and you give the area it moves through more volume, you take away restriction(drops boost) but still move the same cfm of air(no power gain). Get it?
nbmblownZ 1 month ago
@nbmblownZ I'm explaining to you the idiocy of your opinion. I'm talking the effect of increasing headflow on the same exact engine (Ford 4.6 in this case), what do you think the 2V to 4V swap accomplished? Increased headflow. What you aren't comprehending is that while the power adder is moving the same volume of air, boost drop is representative of overall efficieny. You increase headflow and it allows the engine to better UTILIZE the airflow resulting in a boost drop and HP increase.
LieKiller 1 month ago
@LieKiller Your comparisons are idiotic as the imaginary 8 second gt500s on stock blowers that you brought up. The 4 valver is cammed completely different with a more ideal compression ratio, and valve events. Very bad comparison. Put a naturally aspirated cam with a shit ton of overlap on a blown motor and then a cam with no overlap with nothing else changed, the cam with more overlap will "bleed" more boost out the exhaust, resulting in less power. You think you're clever you're not.
nbmblownZ 1 month ago
@nbmblownZ The ultimate determining factor of any engine's ability to produce horsepower is cylinder head flow. You increase head flow and realize a boost drop, why? BECAUSE MORE AIR IS BEING CONSUMED BY THE ENGINE. If MORE AIR is allowed to enter the combustion chamber for every intake valve event you will see a boost drop, more air = more fuel = more power, period.
LieKiller 1 month ago
@LieKiller I have done this comparison myself with the blown ls1(before and after head porting) in my uploads. I didn't see it done on two different motors like you have. You're comparing apples with oranges, and thinking, again, you are making a good comparison. No different than your retarded pulley comparison.
nbmblownZ 1 month ago
@nbmblownZ Wrong, both the 2V and 4V had intake lobes in the 222-224 degree duration range, both on 106 ILCs, both had 9.0:1 CR. The difference came from stock PI 2V heads flowing 175 cfm versus the stock 03/04 4V heads flowing 270 cfm. What it results in is more AIR making it into the CC for every intake valve event, IVEs being constant, this is why BOOST DROPS. More air makes it into the cylinder while the intake valve is open, more fuel is added, more power is found. Period.
LieKiller 1 month ago
@LieKiller Boost is just "back pressure" the blower is seeing from compressing air. A blower pushes the same amount of CFM, regardless what you do to the head. It just does it with less resistance when increasing port volume. You can also say, the motor is making more of the power on its own, and relying less on the blower, but end result is the same.
nbmblownZ 1 month ago
@nbmblownZ Yes, and what is backpressure measuring...restriction. What you seem unable to comprehend is that if boost DROPS due to an increase in cylinder head flow that means one thing and one thing only, more air is making it into the cylinder per intake valve event thus a reduction in backpressure. Even when total output from the power adder remains constant, a reduction in boost via an increase of airflow = more air = more fuel = more power every time.
LieKiller 1 month ago
It's a Vett.. I'm a huge Mustang fan. But hell, it's a Vett. Of course the GT500 is going to lose. haha It can't even keep up. Although I wish it could..
gieco53 1 month ago
@gieco53 You'd be surprised what a tune/CAI and a tire woudl do for that Shelby. Modified C6Z vs a stock GT500 is hardly a good comparison of how a GT500 can match up to a Vette. Let me know when a bolt-on C6Z goes bottom 9s or 8s...because bolt-on GT500s have (stock blower).
LieKiller 1 month ago
"evenly" as in they both have simple boltons. Not a bone stock GT500 vs. a bolton Z06. Not to mention the terrible gearing ford puts in a stock GT500. Don't get me wrong I like corvettes, but for my money I'd buy a new GT500 all day, expecially when the 2013 comes out.
2K9GT 1 month ago
Put a pulley and tune on the GT500 and it will win. The vette is modified.
abramsbrian20 1 month ago
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I'm a cool motherfucker that drives a Mustang! :) While where at it....any mothers out there need fuckin'? lol I'll pick up in my GT500 ragtop.
MrJerryrigged1 1 month ago
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MrJerryrigged1 1 month ago
stock vs stock the gt500 is faster.....period!!! ans im a chevy man, own a 2000 vette
brooke14100 1 month ago
@brooke14100 no, actually look it up the Z06 kills the GT500.
GTO19020 1 month ago
mustangs have no aerodynamics thats why it lost
chinchillawrangler 1 month ago
@chinchillawrangler and no engine.
chrismalpass97 1 month ago
chevy #1
burnnc10454 1 month ago
This guy def can't drive the GT500. I m a chevy guy but I know for dammm sure you can kick a GT500 harder than that. And the GT1000 beats all my vettes. :( I want Chevy to come out with a TT Z1000 so we can have all the rights :) Haha
SN1PERNOSNIPING 2 months ago
ZO6 pulled bus lenghts, thats usually the case with most cars!
geovannimendoza 2 months ago
corvettes r race cars, mustangs r street warriors. u cant compare the 2
Aft3rMathProductiion 2 months ago
Most 2011 and 2012 GT500s run a lot closer to a ZO6 than the car in the video. My brother has a ZO6 and I have a Shelby. It seems the Mustang driver was either afraid to go full throttle or his car is sick. Hand-holding a camera in an accelerating GT500 is very difficult without a shakey result. Something's not right. Yeh, the ZO6 is faster but not by that much.
conagher16 2 months ago
@conagher16 but you see a z06 can corner :P
tuugfo 2 months ago
@modmob. Well the 03-04 cobra seems to beat the shit out of alot of ls1 camaro's. Prob cus there all pulley'd/ tune. Either way it doesn't really matter. Both great cars
Haze5moke 2 months ago
bad ass vette yeah!
JorgeMoren0 2 months ago
Ppl sound stupid when they say put this or that and then let's see what happens.. No shit u retards.. Put a jet engine and then let's see what happens.. Although not all driver are the same.. You win some n u loose some
nsosa55 2 months ago
@cozzey05 What truth is that?
shoppy16 2 months ago
I think that mustang should have pulled harder than that.
rogelio3l 2 months ago
@Haze5smoke Just quit hating on people based solely on what brand they drive. I've beat camaros that have said 'my cars got this and this' and then i beat him and they say timing problems or whatever, i've also had my ass handed to me by camaros, no excuses just a friendly conversation afterwards.
shoppy16 2 months ago
@shoppy16 Unfortunately there isn't enough of that out there, having friendly conversations after the race...Too many times people run their mouths before and/or after a race. I just enjoy the race itself, I don't really care if I win or lose...
Punisher7121 1 month ago
@Haze5smoke Yes, but the camaros do weigh several hundred pounds less and a stock vs stock race is closer in the real world than it is on paper. Im just trying to make a point, and its annoying when people post something about "mustang owners" or "camaro owners" as if they are all the same. And believe it or not, there are some cool motherfuckers that drive mustangs.....and camaros, challengers etc.
shoppy16 2 months ago
@shoppy16... But the year camaro's ur talking about have 315-325 motor h.p so more like 290-300 rwhp. The termi has 370-390 rwhp. Tis the reason they will lose
Haze5moke 2 months ago
@Haze5moke the AVG. 1/4 mi. time is almost the same. and the LS1's were rated at 325 but were closer to 350.
ModMob 2 months ago