@kilkolio Two-handed weapons like the zweihander became popular in the late medieval period because the armour commonly worn by wealthy soldiers was strong enough to reliably stop arrows and most blows from one handed weapons (bar those ones specifically designed to punch through armour like flanged maces and war hammers). You wouldn't often see a weapon like that in the hands of someone who wasn't covered from head to toe in thick chainmail (or plate, more likely).
That's what's stupid about these "Live action role playing" type fights. The weapons are all made of weak foam or swung gently so the true force of a weapon can't be properly measured. The kid who recklessly charged in with his shield and flail would have been launched backwards onto the ground if the attacker had swung an actual zweilhander at his opponent.
@Struedelmuffin Dude, you live in the dream world, zweihanders don't hit that hard and the shield would absorb most of the shock. I have seen shields take kanobo strikes, that hits many times as hard as any zweihander can.
@EdikShepherd "Had that been a real Zweihander, the kid's shield arm would be broken and he'd be flat on his ass"
LOL, I love everyone here talking like they know shit, um no a practical (as in non-decorative) zweihander is only 4-6 pounds, the shield is dome shaped. It would absorb all of the shock, I have seen people block Kanobo's (giant metal club 5-15 pounds) with a shield and be completely fine.
@TheBloodyBlackJackal "Isn't cutting"? You mean in this video of a foam-covered stick and a shield? Or do you mean in a real-life situation with a real Dobblehaender and a real shield? Do you know what you're talking about?
@TheBloodyBlackJackal "Isn't cutting"? You mean in this video of a foam-covered stick and a shield? Or do you mean in a real-life situation with a real Dobblehaender and a real shield? Do you know what you're talking about?
@TheBloodyBlackJackal "Isn't cutting"? You mean in this video of a foam-covered stick and a shield? Or do you mean in a real-life situation with a real Dobblehaender and a real shield? Do you know what you're talking about?
Also, do you mean "moot", rather than "mute"? Do you speak English? Are you, in fact, a moron?
@biggest312 Yes moot point, sorry I am asian; I don't know, we have a thing for screwing up sayings xD.... "You mean in this video of a foam-covered stick and a shield? Or do you mean in a real-life situation with a real Dobblehaender and a real shield?" Rofl, I am guessing from this question that you do think, a real life zweihander would cut through a shield/armor... Do you know what your talking about? Are you, in fact, a moron?
@TheBloodyBlackJackal Your challenge is to calculate: a) the pressure required to pierce a shield from that period (or you can look it up); b) the pressure at the centre of pressure generated by the blade of a Dopplehaender at the swing speed generated by a normal person.
Now compare (a) and (b). If (b) > (a), you are wrong. I await your numbers.
@biggest312 Actually no thats your job. Your the one who is making the claim that a longer sword can pierce a shield a weapon specifically designed to block all weapons, as in clubs spears axes so on. Thats a larger claim then my own therefore its your job to provide the evidence.
@biggest312 Anyways the shield is not only built to absorb shock, but when you use it to parry you use it to parry at angle, so unless you swing like superman it will just glance off. Its quite wellknown that a sword isn't going to do anything to a shield. Look around youtube or watch deadliest warrior, youl find plenty of sword striking shield videos.
@biggest312 Yawn... Look up shield test, at the end of the video you see them strike the shield with an axe; no damage... There you have it, my proof for today, can I get your apology? Cause, an axe hits harder than the claymore because of the mass behind the blow.
@biggest312 "or your apology" I'm sorry have we argued before? Cause I usually say that to annoying trolls like you. Let me guess, you couldn't think of anything to say for that argument now your trying to make me do a bunch of hard work for no reason. Sorry I am not biting; the video evidence is all I need.
@biggest312 You may not find a zweihander video specifically, however a zweihander doesn't that much harder than an ordinary sword. Power is determined by speed and mass, most of the excess mass in comparison of the zweihander to an ordinary longsword; is infact behind the had not infront. If you look at the tip of the zweihander it is infact, no larger than an ordinary swords; therefore the only real power increase is in the leverage and length (length equals more speed)
@biggest312 Therefore even if the sword could slice a shield, you would have to strike with the very end. In that case, best case scenario youl cause a gash in shield, moderate case scenario you chip the tip of your sword, worst case scenario your sword simply gets stuck in the shield like axes often do. As for armor, youl find videos of armor taking hits from lances on horseback; thats all the proof you need. Now that I think about it I am sure youl see the same for shields as well.
@TheBloodyBlackJackal The centre of pressure is the optimum point with which to strike. The tip is not. You are an ignoramus. Look up "ignoramus" and "centre of pressure", then ask someone who knows about physics to help you.
I see it takes you four messages to try and fail to make your point. I expect you are either physically or emotionally 17. Another time, take a few minutes and formulate your thoughts [sic].
@biggest312 LOL I love that argument; "I know your stupid because you say so much", try saying that in court. Usually its the lawyer who comes up with the most points to bring up is the one who wins =)... Um no, the end hits the hardest because its moving teh fastest, look it up as its the farthest away from the body therefore covers the most difference in the same amount of time. Centre of pressure? Rofl, this isn't sailing, this isn't a dam, this a sword...
@biggest312 Just to explain real quick, the centre of pressure applies to projectiles. The sword is not a projectile, it does not fly streight. It swings in a curve as opposed to going streight forward. Leverage, the end hits the hardest.
I won't call you an imbecile. I know you're stupid, but it's because you say stupid things. Look up "centre of pressure" on Wikipedia, and compare it to "sweet spot" (like on a baseball bat, or tennis racket). Seriously, you must be about 17. You think you know everything, and just skate over the vast areas of your ignorance
@biggest312 Lol its not that I think I know everything its that, I don't think you know a thing about this subject. I sort of caught on to that fact when you thought a zweihander would cut through a shield; when its a wellknown fact that it won't... Well at least among people that know what their talking about. I see fanboys talking about how the katana could do it all the time... Anyways quite hypocritcial don't you think? Your basing this off of baseball?
@biggest312 I am basing this off swordsmenship. First thing they teach you in swordsmanship is to always strike with the last three inches of the blade. A baseball bat is not a sword, it is not shaped the same, it is not used the same way, the thickness is not the same accross. The reason you don't strike with the end of the baseball bat is because of control, and shape. Its ridiculous to compare it to a sword.
@biggest312 "Another 3 goes at making your limp point." The reason my comments are longer than yours is because mine contains more content. To try an argue this as a bad thing is just insane...
@biggest312 Oh yea and one more thing I forgot to mention. The sweet spot also refers to the area of least hand shock, on the bat. This is not necessarily the part of the bat with the most velocity.
@biggest312 Yes because stringing a bunch of big words togather definately shows your intelligence... You do realize the point of an argument, is to argue right? Not make up the most creative insult...
@biggest312 Quite obviously shows your frustration at being wrong... Since you haven't brought up any other "points", I am assuming you have run out? Whats the deal with you and teenagers? It doesn't matter what age I am if I am right and your wrong. If you accidently say that 5+5=11 and an 8 year old corrects you; are you going to ignore him and get pissed off?
@TheBloodyBlackJackal If you are admitting to being an 8 year old, I am fine with that. Now look up and post the values of (a) and (b). Until then, fuck off.
@biggest312 Once again, its not my job; its yours. You made the claim that a zweihander could cut through the shield. If you made the claim that you could you could smash a car with your fist; whose job would it be to proove it? Yours or mine? Besides I already told you, look up shield test on youtube. Click the first video that comes up labeled something along the lines of; "weapons that made brittain" towards the end you see them strike the shield with an axe.
@biggest312 An axe strikes harder than a sword because there is more mass behind the blow. Since the axe bounced off, you can infer the zweihander would too.
Some games like amtgard the combat is simply hitting with a foam stick. However in Dagorhir you are fighting with full force you are allowed grappling shield bashing and shield kicking and the game really is a combat simulation if you fight in this style
@mikeyb2k5yo until you know what it's like to be smashed in the face with metal or stabbed, it's not simulating anything. It's a game with slightly rougher rules. I'm not bashing it as a fun hobby, I do it myself and enjoy it. But don't go thinking you are gaining any "real life" combat skills.
@quillian42 I beg to differ. Its helped immensly with real combat. Just the other day I found out its not the best idea to try to block a baseball bat using another baseball bat. Fun times.
@Xterminate13 When in "real combat" would it be wise to take an inflexible object, and bang it against another inflexible object. There is a reason you buy hammers and not just take a solid rod of metal when you hammer in nails. But then again, its not the most obvious thing in the world. however, why would you use a bat to simulate warfare, a stick is more suited for realism
@quillian42 LOL of course it helps with real life combat skills. It teaches reflex timing, and fight mechanics. If you know what its like to be "smashed in the face with metal or stabbed" your probably already dead... Stupid argument.
@biggest312 "It doesn't, because in real life you can kick, knee, gouge and strangle" This is an argument against... What again??? Did I say you couldn't? Because if I did I was wrong... Though, I don't think I said that.
@Xterminate13 Well German mercenaries known as dopplesoldners were often deployed against pike formations with the aim of destroying the pikes. I mean it is possible, pretty sure cold steel has a video with a test showing some of the destructive powers of that kind of sword. I mean 6 pounds of steel can do alot of damage i don't think that is in question, but anyways
There are many weapons that can make a dopplesoldner look foolish, but a flail deffinitely isn't one of them. How about you set him against someone wth a longsword and shield. You NEED something defensive against a zweihander, I mean they were designed for taking on multiple opponents and owning them too. Definitely a weapon of note.
@SuperSmashyfication I couldn't disagree more. The Zweihander's not meant to fight multiple opponents, it's meant to break pike shafts and serve as a pike itself when need be. That's why it's heavy, long, and has the foregrips. It's not meant to be swung in a big arc like an oversized broadsword, like shown in Age of Empires. That's not feasible or survivable. In reality, Dopplesoldners were most effective in defense against infantry and cavalry attacks or when attacking pikemen.
@SuperSmashyfication And just to clarify my last post about survivability, I mean the sword's just way too heavy to swing around against light infantry: you might chop the first guy in half, but the next 4 will promptly charge you while you're recovering from that mighty swing and stab you with their short swords (since you had no shield).
Much more effective to use their length to hold off lethal cavalry charges and the shorter-ranged infantry so the regular light Landskechts can engage them.
I did not claim the Dopplesoldner was some kind of supersoldier, in fact what I was saying was that the Zweihander was designed for fighting from a distance, and that while a flail could be deflecting and kept at a distance, a warrior with a one-handed weapon and a shield could (with a little luck) close the distance and turn the zweihander's length into a disadvantage. The whole point of a zweihander is keeping them at a distance, and shields can counter that.
@EntropicMisanthropic A zweihander is only like 6 to 7 pounds and is well balanced. These guys didn't stay at home and play computer games either, they were the strongest of the strongest men. I don't think saying they were sluggish is very accurate
@spleegulence Comparatively sluggish against light infantry. Warfare of that period really was designed with specific opponents in mind; heavy infantry was designed to beat light infantry, heavy cavalry was designed to beat heavy infantry, and pikemen were designed to beat all three (but only if they held their ranks). Skirmishers with short, fast stabbing blades and shields were the Doppelsoldner's worst enemy. The regular Landskechts, on the other hand, were optimally armed to fight them.
@EntropicMisanthropic Which is why doppelsoldners fought in formations compossed of pikemen men weilding arqebus and poll axe's and halberds. Its the reason why the landskechts were so effective, the balance of all these types.
I dont mean to cast stones but (Guy In Black) what was the killing blow? That counter was good and you followed up with a chop to the leg. Granted, Im going off rules I follow in the SCA.
@yesdaniel: So it's that easy to cut one's legs off even when the opponent have knee pads of plate? Or chainmail? Well zweihanders are really powerful I give them that and I've always loved swords more than maces with some exceptions.
@makotomikami: What do you know of others way of life?! I'm tired of ''get a life,get a life,get a life''. You are not the one who is to judge who has a life or not. That's fact! >:( No man is to judge who HAS a life or who DOESN'T. Me neither! Stick to your business not others.
@Khornedevotee That's such a liberal way of looking at things, unfortunately, I'm not liberal, and I actually care about society and things that contribute to its decay, and this is one of those things.
But hey, I was just joking on my last comment, didn't mean anything personal against ya, so, sorry! :)
@makotomikami: Oh! hehe, sorry then m8 XD, you sounded so serious that I actualy believed it lol. Well, I'm sorry too if I offended you hehe. Then you're cool if you were just joing around. But this video, didn't (ofc) contain one of the best battles I've ever seen XD. But they seemed to have fun atleast, and fun is what all people deserves to have, right?! Unless people thinks murder and torture is fun :/.
You can't possibly wield a two handed sword single handedly. Its tough enough to wield a longsword with one hand. Its impossible to do so with a two handed sword. And the speed he is using it at is rediculous. He's waving a long pixie stick.
This is boffer combat. I understand exactly what you're saying, but boffer fights are about hitting your opponent with a foam covered stick rather than simulate actual combat, though some (not all) act like it does. Ive been in some boffer fights myself and it reminds me more of people hitting each other with lightsabers. Plus, even if it wouldnt cause much damage in real life, in boffer fights, it would lob an arm off or impale your chest. Its still fun regardless, so im not bashing it.
I have no gripe against people going against each other with sticks. I don't have a problem putting foam around it so you don't hurt anyone. But for realities sake and balance. Being able to swing a 2 hander like that is just insane. Might as well pick the freakiest ineffective weapon. Aslong as it touches your enemy somewhere it counts as a strike. That just hurts the fun don't it? All I need is a big waving stick.
Its still fun, but in its own way. When I first started, I was trying to be realistic. I was at a huge disadvantage. Realistically, it was like fighting people with inhuman strength. Then they start attacking targets im not used to in really odd ways. However, I did find that using a glaive (spear that slashes in their terms) with more of a Chinese spearmanship style worked really well. I lost interest in boffer combat before I could make a good weapon, but im started to get re-interested.
@Xterminate13 No, they were definitely meant to be swung, just not against fast-moving shield-and-sword infantry. They're too slow to fight a sword but they're the only thing heavy enough to sever a pike shaft. Pikes are heavy, but when packed tightly together in the front rank, they were a literal wall until they could be broken, which took endless time and casualties.
The Doppel's job was to break their ranks quickly so the Landskechts could advance and fight the opposing light infantry.
@Xterminate13 Btw, they were indeed long enough that with the inclusion of the ricasso foregrip they could act as impromptu pikes to defend against a heavy cavalry charge, or form an impromptu "pike square" if the ranks were broken in battle and they needed to hold off light infantry. I understand they never worked particularly well at either exigency.
@Xterminate13 you both lack agression and skill. but these are things that cannont be taught usually somthing inside that you must be born with or know how to release.
The Zweihander's not being portrayed realistically.
The real thing is way too heavy to whip around like that. It's only designed to be used against pikemen; it's far too slow and unwieldy to be successful against sword-and-shield infantry. They'd just rush in, deflect the blow with the shield, and stab you in the gut.
Against a pike or halberd, on the other hand, a strong Doppelsoldner armed with a Zweihander can simply chop the shaft off and leave the pikeman defenseless. That's the idea.
Charging forward aggressively with a shield is a great strategy. A shield isn't purely for defense in the sense of just standing there blocking blows; it also works great for pressing the attack on an opponent safely. Not to mention by doing so he closes the range on a much longer range weapon to an effectively useless 1-2 feet.
Sleeper would have at least POSSIBLY won that fight if flail-kid hadn't blown off the shield-breaking shots. Sleeper (guy in the helmet) really should have been more aggressive though.
PS: That's Elmington Park in Nashville, TN. The group is Dur Demarion, the local Realm of the Belegarth Medieval Combat Society.
@ZodanaBorado Yeah, (I'm no expert, but hopefully I have this correct) they look impressive, but as actual weapons they're pretty much useless. A mace would do the same blunt damage many times better and isn't difficult and unwieldy to use either.
@nitat Yes, I'm aware that the zweihander was used to counter pikemen. When I was talking about "as actual weapons they're pretty much useless" I was referring to the flail. As I said, though, I could be wrong.
@ZodanaBorado Dude, that's what a flail is; they're weapons. They were also pretty damn effective. Don't diss a weapon you haven't effectively defended against.
Sorry guys, hate to say this, but a zweihander sure as hell ain't going to lose to a shield and flail like this video shown. If the guy was using 2 hands and hit that kid in midair with that sword like he did and his sword was made of metal, that kid would have went flying. He wouldn't have blocked it.
@KasheekCavion "that kid would have went flying. He wouldn't have blocked it." Rofl, so many people think the zweihander is some brute force weapon that can just knock anything out of the way... Its not, if it were it would be club not a sword. The shield is perfectly capable to absorb the shock, and only the midsection of the sword stuck therefore there would be vertually no power in the swing.
LARP is fun. I don't even doubt that SCA and WMA are superior in fighting, then a WMAist would beat many Larpist. I do Larp myself, but would love to do wma. This is why I follow sword techniques videos of WMA groups. That sure isn't enough, but I still get a little better, better enough to beat an average larpist (There's no wma where I am. )
Hard to tell (I'm the one in black), I think he dodged my first swing and the flail, Imho, did hit me in the back, I couldn't tell (small eye slits in the helm). I took death before he "killed" me namely because I might have blown off one of his hits, even if it was light.
@Xterminate13 lol you should of won easy i would of pwned him in seconds. just whirlwind your blade. above your head. at and angle sorta to the ground. depenidng on appoents height. it works best with polearms but long swords is decent
guys, i thought he got maimed in the first hit too, but pause it and watch it again a few times. it looks like he blocks the shot, his right leg is back by the time it connects, and his shield even bends from the impact.
@OdolWAAAAGH You can't block a flail the way he tried, it whipped around the sword and still hit him. As for the leg strike, that wasn't enough force to do anything (assuming he didn't hit the flat---which I believe it would have if it were a real sword).
i respect the guy in the black...he hit that kid in the butt or thigh...it was clear he at least hit him... that kid with blue sheild should have eather died or went down on knees
yeah umm that was a leg hit to the dude with the shield...and whats with all the not attacking...cmon people move a little. lol good vid FOR THE MILITIA!
i dunno I think he nails that back flail shot on you before you hit his leg. if you dont think that one hit you, then wow, that is some major rhinoing.
Sleeper, got to say, That armor looks even better in motion than the photos, and it looked good then!. At least if some kid is not going to take your shots, and you get killed, you look good wile being honorable and taking you hits.
very nice!
anothguy 1 month ago
zweihanders r impractical a shields and a weapon always was better
first of all how r u going to fend urself from arrows with a zweihander
kilkolio 1 month ago
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kyuran 1 month ago
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@kilkolio Two-handed weapons like the zweihander became popular in the late medieval period because the armour commonly worn by wealthy soldiers was strong enough to reliably stop arrows and most blows from one handed weapons (bar those ones specifically designed to punch through armour like flanged maces and war hammers). You wouldn't often see a weapon like that in the hands of someone who wasn't covered from head to toe in thick chainmail (or plate, more likely).
kyuran 1 month ago
Why is this video called LARP? There is clearly no Larping occuring here.
Halofreakanoid 6 months ago
Hahah loserz
suckmybooty4 6 months ago
@suckmybooty4 : Says the no-life on the internet that still spells things with a "z".
Halofreakanoid 6 months ago
damn nature... you scary!
skintrade 7 months ago
That's what's stupid about these "Live action role playing" type fights. The weapons are all made of weak foam or swung gently so the true force of a weapon can't be properly measured. The kid who recklessly charged in with his shield and flail would have been launched backwards onto the ground if the attacker had swung an actual zweilhander at his opponent.
Struedelmuffin 7 months ago
@Struedelmuffin Polish do it right. With dulled iron weapons :D
HandPeopleHandPeople 6 months ago
@Struedelmuffin Dude, you live in the dream world, zweihanders don't hit that hard and the shield would absorb most of the shock. I have seen shields take kanobo strikes, that hits many times as hard as any zweihander can.
TheBloodyBlackJackal 5 months ago
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I support this statement.
Xterminate13 5 months ago
danm kids going for dem ankeles ahhhh
menple2 9 months ago
Had that been a real Zweihander, the kid's shield arm would be broken and he'd be flat on his ass
EdikShepherd 10 months ago
@EdikShepherd I think it's safe to say that if any of this had been real, people like you see above would have died long ago.
SwingBlade 6 months ago 2
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@EdikShepherd "Had that been a real Zweihander, the kid's shield arm would be broken and he'd be flat on his ass"
LOL, I love everyone here talking like they know shit, um no a practical (as in non-decorative) zweihander is only 4-6 pounds, the shield is dome shaped. It would absorb all of the shock, I have seen people block Kanobo's (giant metal club 5-15 pounds) with a shield and be completely fine.
TheBloodyBlackJackal 5 months ago
@TheBloodyBlackJackal That's ignoring the "cutting" effect of the sword's "blade" (look those words up). Kanobo don't have an edge.
biggest312 1 month ago
@biggest312 Zweihander isn't cutting through a shield, nor is it cutting through armor... Your point is mute...
TheBloodyBlackJackal 1 month ago
@TheBloodyBlackJackal "Isn't cutting"? You mean in this video of a foam-covered stick and a shield? Or do you mean in a real-life situation with a real Dobblehaender and a real shield? Do you know what you're talking about?
biggest312 1 month ago
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@TheBloodyBlackJackal "Isn't cutting"? You mean in this video of a foam-covered stick and a shield? Or do you mean in a real-life situation with a real Dobblehaender and a real shield? Do you know what you're talking about?
biggest312 1 month ago
@TheBloodyBlackJackal "Isn't cutting"? You mean in this video of a foam-covered stick and a shield? Or do you mean in a real-life situation with a real Dobblehaender and a real shield? Do you know what you're talking about?
Also, do you mean "moot", rather than "mute"? Do you speak English? Are you, in fact, a moron?
biggest312 1 month ago
@biggest312 Yes moot point, sorry I am asian; I don't know, we have a thing for screwing up sayings xD.... "You mean in this video of a foam-covered stick and a shield? Or do you mean in a real-life situation with a real Dobblehaender and a real shield?" Rofl, I am guessing from this question that you do think, a real life zweihander would cut through a shield/armor... Do you know what your talking about? Are you, in fact, a moron?
TheBloodyBlackJackal 1 month ago
@TheBloodyBlackJackal Your challenge is to calculate: a) the pressure required to pierce a shield from that period (or you can look it up); b) the pressure at the centre of pressure generated by the blade of a Dopplehaender at the swing speed generated by a normal person.
Now compare (a) and (b). If (b) > (a), you are wrong. I await your numbers.
biggest312 1 month ago
@biggest312 Actually no thats your job. Your the one who is making the claim that a longer sword can pierce a shield a weapon specifically designed to block all weapons, as in clubs spears axes so on. Thats a larger claim then my own therefore its your job to provide the evidence.
TheBloodyBlackJackal 1 month ago
@biggest312 Anyways the shield is not only built to absorb shock, but when you use it to parry you use it to parry at angle, so unless you swing like superman it will just glance off. Its quite wellknown that a sword isn't going to do anything to a shield. Look around youtube or watch deadliest warrior, youl find plenty of sword striking shield videos.
TheBloodyBlackJackal 1 month ago
@TheBloodyBlackJackal You claimed "the shield is dome shaped. It would absorb all of the shock". I await your calculations, or your apology.
biggest312 1 month ago
@biggest312 I don't need to give you calculations; your claim is bigger than mine, its your job to do the calculations... Not mine...
TheBloodyBlackJackal 1 month ago
@biggest312 Yawn... Look up shield test, at the end of the video you see them strike the shield with an axe; no damage... There you have it, my proof for today, can I get your apology? Cause, an axe hits harder than the claymore because of the mass behind the blow.
TheBloodyBlackJackal 1 month ago
@biggest312 "or your apology" I'm sorry have we argued before? Cause I usually say that to annoying trolls like you. Let me guess, you couldn't think of anything to say for that argument now your trying to make me do a bunch of hard work for no reason. Sorry I am not biting; the video evidence is all I need.
TheBloodyBlackJackal 1 month ago
@biggest312 You may not find a zweihander video specifically, however a zweihander doesn't that much harder than an ordinary sword. Power is determined by speed and mass, most of the excess mass in comparison of the zweihander to an ordinary longsword; is infact behind the had not infront. If you look at the tip of the zweihander it is infact, no larger than an ordinary swords; therefore the only real power increase is in the leverage and length (length equals more speed)
TheBloodyBlackJackal 1 month ago
@biggest312 Therefore even if the sword could slice a shield, you would have to strike with the very end. In that case, best case scenario youl cause a gash in shield, moderate case scenario you chip the tip of your sword, worst case scenario your sword simply gets stuck in the shield like axes often do. As for armor, youl find videos of armor taking hits from lances on horseback; thats all the proof you need. Now that I think about it I am sure youl see the same for shields as well.
TheBloodyBlackJackal 1 month ago
@TheBloodyBlackJackal The centre of pressure is the optimum point with which to strike. The tip is not. You are an ignoramus. Look up "ignoramus" and "centre of pressure", then ask someone who knows about physics to help you.
I see it takes you four messages to try and fail to make your point. I expect you are either physically or emotionally 17. Another time, take a few minutes and formulate your thoughts [sic].
In the meantime, please fuck off.
biggest312 1 month ago
@biggest312 LOL I love that argument; "I know your stupid because you say so much", try saying that in court. Usually its the lawyer who comes up with the most points to bring up is the one who wins =)... Um no, the end hits the hardest because its moving teh fastest, look it up as its the farthest away from the body therefore covers the most difference in the same amount of time. Centre of pressure? Rofl, this isn't sailing, this isn't a dam, this a sword...
TheBloodyBlackJackal 1 month ago
@biggest312 Distance* not difference...
TheBloodyBlackJackal 1 month ago
@biggest312 Just to explain real quick, the centre of pressure applies to projectiles. The sword is not a projectile, it does not fly streight. It swings in a curve as opposed to going streight forward. Leverage, the end hits the hardest.
TheBloodyBlackJackal 1 month ago
@TheBloodyBlackJackal Another 3 goes at making your limp point.
I won't call you an imbecile. I know you're stupid, but it's because you say stupid things. Look up "centre of pressure" on Wikipedia, and compare it to "sweet spot" (like on a baseball bat, or tennis racket). Seriously, you must be about 17. You think you know everything, and just skate over the vast areas of your ignorance
biggest312 1 month ago
@biggest312 Lol its not that I think I know everything its that, I don't think you know a thing about this subject. I sort of caught on to that fact when you thought a zweihander would cut through a shield; when its a wellknown fact that it won't... Well at least among people that know what their talking about. I see fanboys talking about how the katana could do it all the time... Anyways quite hypocritcial don't you think? Your basing this off of baseball?
TheBloodyBlackJackal 1 month ago
@biggest312 I am basing this off swordsmenship. First thing they teach you in swordsmanship is to always strike with the last three inches of the blade. A baseball bat is not a sword, it is not shaped the same, it is not used the same way, the thickness is not the same accross. The reason you don't strike with the end of the baseball bat is because of control, and shape. Its ridiculous to compare it to a sword.
TheBloodyBlackJackal 1 month ago
@biggest312 "Another 3 goes at making your limp point." The reason my comments are longer than yours is because mine contains more content. To try an argue this as a bad thing is just insane...
TheBloodyBlackJackal 1 month ago
@biggest312 Oh yea and one more thing I forgot to mention. The sweet spot also refers to the area of least hand shock, on the bat. This is not necessarily the part of the bat with the most velocity.
TheBloodyBlackJackal 1 month ago
@TheBloodyBlackJackal And another 4 goes. Fuck off, teenage fuckwit ignoramus.
biggest312 1 month ago
@biggest312 Yes because stringing a bunch of big words togather definately shows your intelligence... You do realize the point of an argument, is to argue right? Not make up the most creative insult...
TheBloodyBlackJackal 1 month ago
@biggest312 Quite obviously shows your frustration at being wrong... Since you haven't brought up any other "points", I am assuming you have run out? Whats the deal with you and teenagers? It doesn't matter what age I am if I am right and your wrong. If you accidently say that 5+5=11 and an 8 year old corrects you; are you going to ignore him and get pissed off?
TheBloodyBlackJackal 1 month ago
@TheBloodyBlackJackal If you are admitting to being an 8 year old, I am fine with that. Now look up and post the values of (a) and (b). Until then, fuck off.
biggest312 1 month ago
@biggest312 Once again, its not my job; its yours. You made the claim that a zweihander could cut through the shield. If you made the claim that you could you could smash a car with your fist; whose job would it be to proove it? Yours or mine? Besides I already told you, look up shield test on youtube. Click the first video that comes up labeled something along the lines of; "weapons that made brittain" towards the end you see them strike the shield with an axe.
TheBloodyBlackJackal 1 month ago
@biggest312 An axe strikes harder than a sword because there is more mass behind the blow. Since the axe bounced off, you can infer the zweihander would too.
TheBloodyBlackJackal 1 month ago
@biggest312 Did you look up the video yet? Seems to me your just being stubborn... Or you know your wrong and your just trolling. Either or...
TheBloodyBlackJackal 1 month ago
Some games like amtgard the combat is simply hitting with a foam stick. However in Dagorhir you are fighting with full force you are allowed grappling shield bashing and shield kicking and the game really is a combat simulation if you fight in this style
mikeyb2k5yo 11 months ago
@mikeyb2k5yo until you know what it's like to be smashed in the face with metal or stabbed, it's not simulating anything. It's a game with slightly rougher rules. I'm not bashing it as a fun hobby, I do it myself and enjoy it. But don't go thinking you are gaining any "real life" combat skills.
quillian42 11 months ago
@quillian42 I beg to differ. Its helped immensly with real combat. Just the other day I found out its not the best idea to try to block a baseball bat using another baseball bat. Fun times.
Xterminate13 11 months ago
@Xterminate13 When in "real combat" would it be wise to take an inflexible object, and bang it against another inflexible object. There is a reason you buy hammers and not just take a solid rod of metal when you hammer in nails. But then again, its not the most obvious thing in the world. however, why would you use a bat to simulate warfare, a stick is more suited for realism
cptmiche 10 months ago
@quillian42 LOL of course it helps with real life combat skills. It teaches reflex timing, and fight mechanics. If you know what its like to be "smashed in the face with metal or stabbed" your probably already dead... Stupid argument.
TheBloodyBlackJackal 1 month ago
@quillian42 Thats like saying wrestling/boxing doesn't help with a real life fight, of course it does.
TheBloodyBlackJackal 1 month ago
@TheBloodyBlackJackal It doesn't, because in real life you can kick, knee, gouge and strangle. Ignoramus.
biggest312 1 month ago
@biggest312 "It doesn't, because in real life you can kick, knee, gouge and strangle" This is an argument against... What again??? Did I say you couldn't? Because if I did I was wrong... Though, I don't think I said that.
TheBloodyBlackJackal 1 month ago
a guy with a zwei hander can easily cut the flail in two....
Zodiamaster 1 year ago
@Zodiamaster moron statement 2011
Xterminate13 1 year ago
@Xterminate13 yeah right because the wood handle can take it
Zodiamaster 1 year ago
@Zodiamaster show me a vid of a sword cutting through an axe handle then i might agree wit ya.
Xterminate13 1 year ago
@Xterminate13 do you also want a video proving that using a lighter in an exclosed place with spilled fuel causes explosions?
Zodiamaster 1 year ago
enclosed* and lol @ "might agree"
Zodiamaster 1 year ago
@Zodiamaster so you can't..... its watever dude.
Xterminate13 1 year ago
@Xterminate13 Well German mercenaries known as dopplesoldners were often deployed against pike formations with the aim of destroying the pikes. I mean it is possible, pretty sure cold steel has a video with a test showing some of the destructive powers of that kind of sword. I mean 6 pounds of steel can do alot of damage i don't think that is in question, but anyways
spleegulence 1 year ago
goddammit i thought i clicked on a video with real sword play not LARP!!! fuck!
mouthforwar17 1 year ago
nice vid any more man?
AlbertChyn 1 year ago
The black knight afterwards said it was nothing but a fleshwound
KarinMikazuki 1 year ago 2
There are many weapons that can make a dopplesoldner look foolish, but a flail deffinitely isn't one of them. How about you set him against someone wth a longsword and shield. You NEED something defensive against a zweihander, I mean they were designed for taking on multiple opponents and owning them too. Definitely a weapon of note.
SuperSmashyfication 1 year ago
@SuperSmashyfication I couldn't disagree more. The Zweihander's not meant to fight multiple opponents, it's meant to break pike shafts and serve as a pike itself when need be. That's why it's heavy, long, and has the foregrips. It's not meant to be swung in a big arc like an oversized broadsword, like shown in Age of Empires. That's not feasible or survivable. In reality, Dopplesoldners were most effective in defense against infantry and cavalry attacks or when attacking pikemen.
EntropicMisanthropic 1 year ago
@SuperSmashyfication And just to clarify my last post about survivability, I mean the sword's just way too heavy to swing around against light infantry: you might chop the first guy in half, but the next 4 will promptly charge you while you're recovering from that mighty swing and stab you with their short swords (since you had no shield).
Much more effective to use their length to hold off lethal cavalry charges and the shorter-ranged infantry so the regular light Landskechts can engage them.
EntropicMisanthropic 1 year ago
@EntropicMisanthropic
I did not claim the Dopplesoldner was some kind of supersoldier, in fact what I was saying was that the Zweihander was designed for fighting from a distance, and that while a flail could be deflecting and kept at a distance, a warrior with a one-handed weapon and a shield could (with a little luck) close the distance and turn the zweihander's length into a disadvantage. The whole point of a zweihander is keeping them at a distance, and shields can counter that.
SuperSmashyfication 1 year ago
@SuperSmashyfication
the pike things is bs, but in this paragraph, yu speak the truth.
Xterminate13 1 year ago
@SuperSmashyfication The Dopplesoldner could always use half sword technique or his side arm in close range
spleegulence 1 year ago
@EntropicMisanthropic A zweihander is only like 6 to 7 pounds and is well balanced. These guys didn't stay at home and play computer games either, they were the strongest of the strongest men. I don't think saying they were sluggish is very accurate
spleegulence 1 year ago
@spleegulence Comparatively sluggish against light infantry. Warfare of that period really was designed with specific opponents in mind; heavy infantry was designed to beat light infantry, heavy cavalry was designed to beat heavy infantry, and pikemen were designed to beat all three (but only if they held their ranks). Skirmishers with short, fast stabbing blades and shields were the Doppelsoldner's worst enemy. The regular Landskechts, on the other hand, were optimally armed to fight them.
EntropicMisanthropic 1 year ago
@EntropicMisanthropic i like this statement, very truthful.
Xterminate13 1 year ago
@EntropicMisanthropic Which is why doppelsoldners fought in formations compossed of pikemen men weilding arqebus and poll axe's and halberds. Its the reason why the landskechts were so effective, the balance of all these types.
spleegulence 1 year ago
That would be fun, I wish there was something like thi around where I live.
demomanchaos 1 year ago
I dont mean to cast stones but (Guy In Black) what was the killing blow? That counter was good and you followed up with a chop to the leg. Granted, Im going off rules I follow in the SCA.
umhumgum 1 year ago
@umhumgum
i couldnt see whether i hit him or not so i just took death, close helms in belegarth/dag dont work quite as well as they do in the sca.
Xterminate13 1 year ago
@Xterminate13 Is there a website for this kind of action? I would like to get involved.
umhumgum 1 year ago
@Xterminate13 Is there a website for this kind of action? I want to get involved
umhumgum 1 year ago
@umhumgum:
This is definitely just a bunch of LARPers. Not SCA.
Antigan15th 1 year ago
@yesdaniel: So it's that easy to cut one's legs off even when the opponent have knee pads of plate? Or chainmail? Well zweihanders are really powerful I give them that and I've always loved swords more than maces with some exceptions.
Khornedevotee 1 year ago
thats is the weirdest looking sheild and flail i have ever ever seen
Vandey505 1 year ago
LAWL such nerds XD
makotomikami 1 year ago
@makotomikami: So?! XD lawl
Khornedevotee 1 year ago
@Khornedevotee So get a life xD
makotomikami 1 year ago
@makotomikami: What do you know of others way of life?! I'm tired of ''get a life,get a life,get a life''. You are not the one who is to judge who has a life or not. That's fact! >:( No man is to judge who HAS a life or who DOESN'T. Me neither! Stick to your business not others.
Khornedevotee 1 year ago
@Khornedevotee That's such a liberal way of looking at things, unfortunately, I'm not liberal, and I actually care about society and things that contribute to its decay, and this is one of those things.
But hey, I was just joking on my last comment, didn't mean anything personal against ya, so, sorry! :)
makotomikami 1 year ago
@makotomikami: Oh! hehe, sorry then m8 XD, you sounded so serious that I actualy believed it lol. Well, I'm sorry too if I offended you hehe. Then you're cool if you were just joing around. But this video, didn't (ofc) contain one of the best battles I've ever seen XD. But they seemed to have fun atleast, and fun is what all people deserves to have, right?! Unless people thinks murder and torture is fun :/.
Khornedevotee 1 year ago
@yesdaniel the flail guy managed to get a shoulder hit before the zweihänder chopped off his leg.
GoldDronzer 1 year ago
at least he looks cool.
AndyCarnage 2 years ago
You can't possibly wield a two handed sword single handedly. Its tough enough to wield a longsword with one hand. Its impossible to do so with a two handed sword. And the speed he is using it at is rediculous. He's waving a long pixie stick.
BrutusAlbion 2 years ago
This is boffer combat. I understand exactly what you're saying, but boffer fights are about hitting your opponent with a foam covered stick rather than simulate actual combat, though some (not all) act like it does. Ive been in some boffer fights myself and it reminds me more of people hitting each other with lightsabers. Plus, even if it wouldnt cause much damage in real life, in boffer fights, it would lob an arm off or impale your chest. Its still fun regardless, so im not bashing it.
LotusDragon09 2 years ago 10
I have no gripe against people going against each other with sticks. I don't have a problem putting foam around it so you don't hurt anyone. But for realities sake and balance. Being able to swing a 2 hander like that is just insane. Might as well pick the freakiest ineffective weapon. Aslong as it touches your enemy somewhere it counts as a strike. That just hurts the fun don't it? All I need is a big waving stick.
BrutusAlbion 2 years ago
Its still fun, but in its own way. When I first started, I was trying to be realistic. I was at a huge disadvantage. Realistically, it was like fighting people with inhuman strength. Then they start attacking targets im not used to in really odd ways. However, I did find that using a glaive (spear that slashes in their terms) with more of a Chinese spearmanship style worked really well. I lost interest in boffer combat before I could make a good weapon, but im started to get re-interested.
LotusDragon09 2 years ago
It looks more like a huge dildo, seriously...porno-knights xD
Mutedmouth 2 years ago 2
with enough muscle and practice, anybody could swing the old zweihanders easily. but you are right, zweihanders were meant to stab instead of swing.
Xterminate13 2 years ago
@Xterminate13 No, they were definitely meant to be swung, just not against fast-moving shield-and-sword infantry. They're too slow to fight a sword but they're the only thing heavy enough to sever a pike shaft. Pikes are heavy, but when packed tightly together in the front rank, they were a literal wall until they could be broken, which took endless time and casualties.
The Doppel's job was to break their ranks quickly so the Landskechts could advance and fight the opposing light infantry.
Bullzeye95 1 year ago
@Xterminate13 Btw, they were indeed long enough that with the inclusion of the ricasso foregrip they could act as impromptu pikes to defend against a heavy cavalry charge, or form an impromptu "pike square" if the ranks were broken in battle and they needed to hold off light infantry. I understand they never worked particularly well at either exigency.
Bullzeye95 1 year ago
@Xterminate13 you both lack agression and skill. but these are things that cannont be taught usually somthing inside that you must be born with or know how to release.
TAKEMARU666 1 year ago
@TAKEMARU666
care to have a duel then? sword, bat, boffer? i live in nashville tennessee but have always wanted to be in a true sword fight with someone of skill.
Xterminate13 1 year ago
The Zweihander's not being portrayed realistically.
The real thing is way too heavy to whip around like that. It's only designed to be used against pikemen; it's far too slow and unwieldy to be successful against sword-and-shield infantry. They'd just rush in, deflect the blow with the shield, and stab you in the gut.
Against a pike or halberd, on the other hand, a strong Doppelsoldner armed with a Zweihander can simply chop the shaft off and leave the pikeman defenseless. That's the idea.
Bullzeye95 2 years ago 2
zweihander vs. shield is more like it
dudes with shields are gonna win
Gubbinz 2 years ago
Charging forward aggressively with a shield is a great strategy. A shield isn't purely for defense in the sense of just standing there blocking blows; it also works great for pressing the attack on an opponent safely. Not to mention by doing so he closes the range on a much longer range weapon to an effectively useless 1-2 feet.
AndroidX2865 2 years ago
Sleeper would have at least POSSIBLY won that fight if flail-kid hadn't blown off the shield-breaking shots. Sleeper (guy in the helmet) really should have been more aggressive though.
PS: That's Elmington Park in Nashville, TN. The group is Dur Demarion, the local Realm of the Belegarth Medieval Combat Society.
technococcus 2 years ago
Is that Bush park?
IlyaKhleboyko 2 years ago
the black knight got his legs before there was a killing blow on himself. larping is the best though
WarriorsUnderGod 2 years ago
I love larp more interesting than most things.
DoyenOfDestruction 2 years ago
That would at least have been a double-death, when flail-kid slid DOWN THE BLADE of the Zweihander
TheodricLives 2 years ago
@TheodricLives He barely touched the blade, even leather armor would stop him from getting cut in that case...
TheBloodyBlackJackal 1 month ago
this shit is gay. Are you ten?
jimmywimmer 2 years ago
flails are fails
ZodanaBorado 2 years ago 19
@ZodanaBorado Yeah, (I'm no expert, but hopefully I have this correct) they look impressive, but as actual weapons they're pretty much useless. A mace would do the same blunt damage many times better and isn't difficult and unwieldy to use either.
MGlBlaze 1 year ago
@MGlBlaze I see... thanks for the info.
ZodanaBorado 1 year ago
@MGlBlaze I thought that this type sword was used as a mean to counter Pike-men formation(like the Swiss) which was popular back then.
They were primarily used used to break the spear point and then used the long reach and with two hands to stab the said pike men.
I could be mistaken though....
nitat 1 year ago
@nitat Yes, I'm aware that the zweihander was used to counter pikemen. When I was talking about "as actual weapons they're pretty much useless" I was referring to the flail. As I said, though, I could be wrong.
MGlBlaze 1 year ago
@MGlBlaze Ah sorry, I completely misunderstood your comment.
You could be right with the flail though.
I think it has the same problem as a Nunchacku.
When you hit something, you lose alot of energy through the chain and then you always have a moment of no control of the attacking point.
nitat 1 year ago
@nitat thats why things like the morningstar (nochain, just a stixk and ball) were around.
RazeAnimations 1 year ago
@ZodanaBorado: Well I may not know, but in the right hands they may be quite lethal just as any other weapon would in the right hands.
Khornedevotee 1 year ago
@ZodanaBorado I disagree
LordKorloros 8 months ago
@ZodanaBorado Say that when you get a metal ball in the teeth.
MerlinsJester 7 months ago
@MerlinsJester Woah* that's mean
ZodanaBorado 7 months ago
@ZodanaBorado Dude, that's what a flail is; they're weapons. They were also pretty damn effective. Don't diss a weapon you haven't effectively defended against.
MerlinsJester 7 months ago
revenge of the nerds?
lodossheros 2 years ago 2
That flail kid is terrible at calling himself out.
kingcobra004 2 years ago
Sorry guys, hate to say this, but a zweihander sure as hell ain't going to lose to a shield and flail like this video shown. If the guy was using 2 hands and hit that kid in midair with that sword like he did and his sword was made of metal, that kid would have went flying. He wouldn't have blocked it.
KasheekCavion 2 years ago
@KasheekCavion "that kid would have went flying. He wouldn't have blocked it." Rofl, so many people think the zweihander is some brute force weapon that can just knock anything out of the way... Its not, if it were it would be club not a sword. The shield is perfectly capable to absorb the shock, and only the midsection of the sword stuck therefore there would be vertually no power in the swing.
TheBloodyBlackJackal 1 month ago
sca is for the slow and cumbersome. fought both and belegarth owns the sca.
Xterminate13 2 years ago
ROFL, keep telling yourself that.
Halic 2 years ago
No training, no technique.. LARP is stupid.. try the SCA guys. No pussy foam swords there...
littnguy 2 years ago
LARP is fun. I don't even doubt that SCA and WMA are superior in fighting, then a WMAist would beat many Larpist. I do Larp myself, but would love to do wma. This is why I follow sword techniques videos of WMA groups. That sure isn't enough, but I still get a little better, better enough to beat an average larpist (There's no wma where I am. )
maaderllin 2 years ago
flails are gay
mooseflanders57 2 years ago
Dude your Garb is amazing.
AmishMarine1 2 years ago
Pillow fight at its best.....
Blutrafn 2 years ago
that young fella owned on that knights
Bgrazier 2 years ago
you have sick fucking garb man, in addition to your zweihander, just work on your blockin a lil more if thats all you use heh
CardHolder12 2 years ago
Hard to tell (I'm the one in black), I think he dodged my first swing and the flail, Imho, did hit me in the back, I couldn't tell (small eye slits in the helm). I took death before he "killed" me namely because I might have blown off one of his hits, even if it was light.
Xterminate13 2 years ago
still cool fight tho... i love your garb
loneone01 2 years ago
Ahhh Sleeper! It's Arrakis! You're so sick fast with those redswords it just ain't right. I'm learning, some, but damn.
technococcus 2 years ago
@Xterminate13 lol you should of won easy i would of pwned him in seconds. just whirlwind your blade. above your head. at and angle sorta to the ground. depenidng on appoents height. it works best with polearms but long swords is decent
TAKEMARU666 1 year ago
@TAKEMARU666
you dont even know....
Xterminate13 1 year ago
That was so gay seriously the Greatsword would've already killed him before the first ten seconds were up.
camilo101 2 years ago
wow that kid didn't take anything... good job red-sword!
voxximous 2 years ago
I really hope this isnt dagorhir cuz if it is then that guys shield should be gone
kingcobra004 2 years ago
two reds sheild broke
jessewhite666 3 years ago
guys, i thought he got maimed in the first hit too, but pause it and watch it again a few times. it looks like he blocks the shot, his right leg is back by the time it connects, and his shield even bends from the impact.
OdolWAAAAGH 3 years ago
@OdolWAAAAGH You can't block a flail the way he tried, it whipped around the sword and still hit him. As for the leg strike, that wasn't enough force to do anything (assuming he didn't hit the flat---which I believe it would have if it were a real sword).
TheBloodyBlackJackal 1 month ago
bloody larpers
miolner88 3 years ago
yea yo .... you hit his shield twice so it would have broke
and you hit in the legs and he didnt drop ... so therefore he wouldnt have been able to hit you in the shoulder
alaingoldman 3 years ago
i can see where the flail came around the sword and hit him in the back but he fucking demolishes that kids leg. very nice
NRCartoons 3 years ago
it was clearly blocked by his shield both times, I dunno what you guys are seeing...
JDSLegend 3 years ago
naw, the guy in black totally died first
JDSLegend 3 years ago
Fucking whale flails.
Todoman 3 years ago
Sleeper, you should have pommeled him in the face for that.
Lobo8784 3 years ago
no its not its just how fast he swings it trust me
jessewhite666 3 years ago
so, this isn't for realism then...;)
Asgath 3 years ago
lol looks fun
machetey 3 years ago
omg, fail
relentlesssinner90 3 years ago
The guy in black totally owned that kid. Bullshit.
MeowMan666 3 years ago 3
i respect the guy in the black...he hit that kid in the butt or thigh...it was clear he at least hit him... that kid with blue sheild should have eather died or went down on knees
shaunstd 3 years ago
that first swing on him totally hit his thigh and it looked like he was limpping after that hit
ArgentKnight88 3 years ago
yeah umm that was a leg hit to the dude with the shield...and whats with all the not attacking...cmon people move a little. lol good vid FOR THE MILITIA!
pickshredder 3 years ago
i dunno I think he nails that back flail shot on you before you hit his leg. if you dont think that one hit you, then wow, that is some major rhinoing.
betacephyr 3 years ago
Great armor, looks menacing. And yes, rhino-hiders on my field are broken from the habit. Way to show honor on your part though.
PureInsect 3 years ago
got to love cameras too can always catch those who don't call their shots.
howtogetcommitted 4 years ago
Sleeper, got to say, That armor looks even better in motion than the photos, and it looked good then!. At least if some kid is not going to take your shots, and you get killed, you look good wile being honorable and taking you hits.
AlbertaMovieMaker 4 years ago
you think sleepers armor is cool, I want that kids, it blocks reds and you cant even see it
ikiswins 3 years ago