Rachel Maddow - questioning during KSM's torture 1/2

[macgeek2004]

@vince6363

You're a fucking monster! Seriously, the Nazi's have NOTHING on _you_! I mean, FUCK! We've already got documentation proving that most of those prisoners were, in fact, COMPLETELY INNOCENT, so are you openly calling for the secret American abduction of foreign nationals on their NATIVE soil???

I'm sorry, but if China pulled that shit on us, abducted Americans in America and took 'em back to China for rendition, there'd be war "faster than you could see it happening!"

[MR013062]

Obama killed Osama...now the fish have a feast!!!

[YamaKazoo]

3:43 Talk about the ultimate hangover ,hahaha

tbh he doesnt look like the water boarding type

[vince6363]

maybe you fucks can let this terrorist move in with you bums since your so concerned about him and qitmo detainees welfare, those bastards have no rights

[nogogma]

They were ''questioned'' Wasn't that the Bush Regimes euphemism for ''torture?''

[im4wur2]

@nogogma - Yea, in CheneySpeak.

[giddygiddy85]

id say the terrorist in the thumbnail picture is goin mad they used that picture of him, he looks like shit

[TekDragon84]

That's funny that Guantanamo causes US deaths when there were 0 combat related casualties in Iraq in December despite your president and your super majority Democrats in the legislative branch not only doing nothing about Guantanamo, but continuing hellfire drone attacks, CIA operations in the area, and more.

I'm really enjoying this. It's funny watching "Democrats" say one thing, while Democrats do another. Your elected officials think you're a bunch of cooks, and they ignore you constantly.

[makeitreal2008]

@TekDragon84 - Why is it that 'conservatives' are afraid to live American values and allow their fear to trump common sense, basic morality and the constitution of the United States?

Conservative? That's a bad joke.

What have the "conservatives" conserved during the Bush administration's 8 years?

Clinton's budget surplus? - No!

American civil rights? - No!

The international moral highground. ? - No!

Adherence to the Constitution? - No!

[TekDragon84]

Typical DU liberal circle jerkery. Vote down the comments you can't argue against and spout your "Bush is EVIL!" nonsense. It's not Bush, it's reality.

Guantanamo, Iraq War, Afghanistan War, War on Al Qaeda, Homeland Security, Drones, Patriot Act, Defense spending, and more.

Guess what? Not only has not ONE item of the above been stopped, many have been strengthened.

Your democrats are either "stupid traitors", or reality is harsher than you think. I'm leaning towards the latter.

[makeitreal2008]

@TekDragon84 - You're wrong on a least 2 levels.

First, your position fails to recognize that the US torture policy creates terrorist.

"Torture Causes Terrorism"

watch?v=Ty0hCvjbCGI

[makeitreal2008]

@TekDragon84 - (1st error continued)

At a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing last year, former Navy General Counsel Alberto Mora testified that there are serving U.S. flag-rank officers who maintain that the first and second identifiable causes of U.S. combat deaths in Iraq as judged by their effectiveness in recruiting insurgent fighters into combat are, respectively the symbols of Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo.

[makeitreal2008]

@TekDragon84 - (Second) - The US torture policy invalidates the very premise upon which our country was formed.

That ALL men are created equal.

To deny that even murderers and terrorists have "certain inalienable rights" and as such should be free from "cruel and inhuman treatment" is to deny the legitimacy of the foundation upon which our government and society were formed.

[sickofpolitrix]

@makeitreal2008 ~ Well said! ~ former Navy General Counsel Alberto Mora makes that very point here:

Alberto J. Mora: Torture v. American Values (youtube video ~ watch?v=j1xBGSGGvvE )

[makeitreal2008]

@TekDragon84 - By the way, I didn't expect you to understand or respond to these replies anyway.

[tomitstube]

"but we begin tonight", love those words. rachel is awesome. i still get anxious seeing bush speak, even now.

amazing, that after manipulating the intelligence to go to war, they would actually try to torture prisoners into vindicating their own concocted evidence.

bush's eight years in office will haunt this country for decades.

[songvidtroll]

Bush/Cheney were more concerned with justifying going into Iraq (where them and their buddies made BILLIONS on war contracts) than they were about catching Osama and keeping us safe. If that meant torturing people to to say there was a link than so be it.

[seamoremonster]

Excellent report.  Rachel is what journalism should be...sound intelligent investigative research and reporting. Now how long are US Citizens going to let this Corporate hit man escape trial?

[classicallady]

Good comment here seamore...And tks for sending it this way. NHY again!

[labellemama]

Cheney is trying to justify his crimes 24/7. The Fools who support him are doing the same. Their hands are awash in blood. Cheney's voice quality sounds like he has congestive heart failure. If he is still using a cane, I imagine he is on his last pegs. No sympathy here. But, it is no wonder he is obsessed with absolving himself of his sins. Can't be done. It is not up to us.

[drphonic7]

If there were truly any justice in this country, Cheney, Rumsfeld, & the rest of these supremely evil "men" would have already been executed for their war crimes. (sigh)

[vecchioflocko]

@TekDragon84, Ms. Maddow was not surprised (or even suprised) that the military pressured him to first reveal his ties to Al Qaeda. The jest of the piece is about torture being used to link Al Qaeda to Iraq, a link that didn't exist. And the fact that the torture was not authorized since it was not needed to prevent an imminent attack.

[sanfordhousing]

The Grand old Duke of York He had so many men he marched them up the hill and marched them down again,This song reminds me of Cheney,brutal cruel determined OCD,pursuing the rebels syndrome,The British army wore it's boots of chasing the invisible American Revolutionary army in the war of independence,the British soldiers were given a free pass?All surrendered/ wounded prisoners will be treated with respect and dignity,this helped you US overpower a superior enemy with superior morals peace

[mediacritic]

@Tek. No, it shows Obama isn't really a liberal.

[TekDragon84]

So typical of liberal commentary. I love how she glosses over KSM's name and refers to him in all manner of ways to try and distract from who he was. Then she acts suprised that the military pressured him to first reveal his ties to Al Qaeda.

Let's see.... KSM. Head of propaganda for Al Qaeda. Rap sheet a mile long including 9/11, Flight 63, WTC 1993, Bali nightclub, Daniel Pearl, and a whole string of others.

Cry me a river. He was a terrorist and we wanted his connections. Period.

[TekDragon84]

You know what's funniest of all? Liberals for one of their OWN into the White House and as soon as he got there, as soon as he got informed, as soon as he learned the big picture AND the small pictures - he continued every single one of his predecessors tools.

DHS? Still there. Guantanamo? Still there. Patriot Act? Still there. Drone assassinations? Still happening. Enhanced interrogations? Still there, guaranteed.

Is he a traitor? No. He's doing his job and discarding failed liberal ideas.

[drphonic7]

On what planet is Barack Obama a liberal? It's only right wing nutsacks who are obsessed with negatively charging that word.

But yes, since he is continuing Bush's war crimes, I would say he is a traitor.

[tomitstube]

@drphonic7 ~ you're so right, the idiot tea baggers are calling a corporate centrist (obama) a socialist. we couldn't get that lucky.

[bohemianwriter1]

Obama is just like Bush in some cases. just more intelligent.

A true liberal would have immediatelly closed ALL secret prisons around the world, gotten the hell out of Iraq and Afghanistan & Saudi Arabia, started incestigations on ALL Bush crimes, forced through universal healthcare without regards to the RW whining in the Senate, legalized drugs, and made Marihuana an alernative source for energy, clothing, foods, medicine and many other things, & clamped down on all religious extremism...

[toonster49]

Why does it take America so long to react to the obvious? Will Cheney still be alive by the time he's dragged to court for treason, torture, role in 9/11, war-profiteering, outing a CIA agent, etc.? Oh wait---his heart is bionic, so there's still hope.

[lilyanneisme]

Just evil - Dark Dickie Darth needs to be brought up on charges of High Treason and then hauled into the World Court for Crimes Against Humanity.

[jtilak]

since when does having your lawyer write a memo make something legal

[TPAUSA]

Indict.Prosecute.Imprison

Junior and Lord Vader!

[var512]

sooooo...if we did not do what needed to be done for info and then there was a massive terrorist attack a few years after 9/11....then Bush and Cheney would have not done enough? ... I like RM , but sometimes things are not so black and white..

[crowdaddy13]

yeah, they are........when you are the nation that stops other nations from doing shit like this (nazis, bosnia, etc.) how can we as a nation look at ourselves in the mirror after we become complete hypocrites.........and two, torture doesnt fucking work. the captors get the info they want to hear, not the info they need to hear. if a CIA agent had electrodes tied around your nuts, youd confess to anything.

[crowdaddy13]

thats why issues like this make me so sick to my stomach. we fought world war II and stopped the nazis from killing more innocent people, and spoke as if we were these holy liberators of the jews, while at the same time we segregated our forces black and white. we threw american citizens into interment camps and we let nazi scientists live here after the war and they could go freely where they wanted. they dined in our restaurants while blacks had to use the "colored" rooms and water fountains.

[seamoremonster]

Damn Crowdaddy, you always make me proud to call you friend!

[bohemianwriter1]

'what Bush did prior to 9.11 was to close down ALL investigation of Bin Laden & Al Quaida. mate.

What was the point of that?

[kenichol]

There is so much blood, so many innocent people dead because of the lies of Bush & Cheney. I want to see them tried for crimes against humanity at the Hague.

[Bozo1360]

Could the previous administration have been any more Nazi-like? Fascists torture. Fascist cruelty is why we hated them during WWII. This appears to be lost on the many that don't know history.

[av8tor17b]

NOW can we get a warrant issued?

Please?

[carolynnmi]

RM rocks so hard.

[sorifith]

bush and cheney need to be hauled in front of a court and jury and tried for their war crimes. protecting the USA was one thing, leading the US into an illegal war on Iraq was another. what a total fail of an administration.

[mymatemartin]

So, the fucking lying bastards (Bush, Cheney and Co) couldn't give a shit about establishing the causes behind WTC but sought only to justify to a rightly skeptical world their own crimes of aggressive war without cause. Can anyone tell me why, if war criminals can be hunted through the decades, why havn't these despicable lying murdering bastards been brought to justice.

[Sconan42156]

AbsoFuckinglutely, until they are there is no justice in the good ole USA !!!