@kilerseven i would just keep in that position, because shifting to chest on chest would create separation in the process of the transition giving your opponent the ability to escape or get off their back
My opinion is that if you learn the moves then you have more options in which you can go to when something else doesn't work to catch the guy out. Its better to know it, add it to your arsenal. then use it rather than just write it off as not good.
Karo Parisyan gives a detailed rundown of that "weird arm shit" from side control in his judo for mma dvds. I didn't see it as very practical but whatever,
These are great videos for this channel, very basic, very useful.
Wrestling is always going to be easy to defend in technique, the idea is to do it fast enough and with enough strength that your opponant is just steamrolled.
This move looks good in theory, but it's far too easy to defend against. The guy with the body lock can just post his leg to prevent the sweep.
In all retrospect, if you had stuck your leg out behind you and went for a judo throw instead of dropping to your knees, you wouldn't risk the possibility of being put in a defensive side sprawl control position and your opponent would hit the canvas harder too.
Why does everybody hate on the element of surprise? A pro boxer can easily be ko'ed with a simple hook, but you don't see people crying that it wont work right in EVERY SITUATION.
i hate all the trolls online! lol of course this move can be countered! cant the same be said of literally everyother technique? i thought thats what made grappling so great, the chess match involved, the application of technique to counter your opponents reactions. saying this move wont work because it can be countered is like saying the armbar is useless if someone knows a telephone escape.
i love showing up to class with my lil secret submission 101 techniques, it truely has made me excited about bjj in every class, i suggest making a mental set list of moves that you learned from the videos and looking for the perfect opportunities to try to use them, most of the time they fail on the first try but if you keep trying you get a feel of when to use them, i cant wait to start trying some wrestling takedowns while im rolling next time.
This takedown will work to get them to the ground but watching sub101 jits guys roll this takedown is not suprising. they have a simple headlock (kesakitami) if your against an experienced guy he has that under hook hes out and has your back before you know what happened.
Hey if this move (like every other move) works for someone, then it works for that someone. There are no "supreme ultimate most AWESOME moves" out there because not every technique works for every fighter. If that was it, then eventually we would be left with one martial art in the world. If you can keep an open mind and not be a stuck up douchebag about martial arts techniques, then you're going to do a lot better than someone who is because you'll be open to learning more.
@Submissions101 Hey thanks a lot and thanks for the reply. Don't worry too much, at least it's only been 4 years for you guys. I've been trying to get that point accross to people my whole life :D
If I'm ever out your way (I'm in Toronto), then I'll pop on by and try a few classes because I like to roll and would love to learn some of what you guys teach.
All the comments about the technique in here are valid, but remember, with good control upstairs, this move will work, even with the knees together dropping into the six...instead of splitting the knees between the six and...9? whatever, my only (humble) addition would be for bjj guys...if you lose the grip on the elbow, grip on the tricep even a little, turn back into him and/or don't lose your back...it can be easy (defending this takedown) to hook a leg in if you have even a little space...
Dude, with all my respect. The way you showed this technique is terrible.
After you get your collar and elbow (the grip you want) take a small step to his outside, as you do that hook his head and grab the tricep deep then drop your lead leg so that your lead knee is infront of his lead foot and then just drag him with you. It works WONDERS with me. BTW, we call it the Hip sag.
@mrtntdsmyth also, if your doing a throw or as your calling it, a corkscrew, make sure your feet are apart, have the head and gripping his lat, and step through as far as possible. I understand you made it a lower impact for OG's with back problems or other hindering health obstructions, but it would be helpfull to put the correct form for the throw itself and then moddify it for the OG's.
Im sorry, I placed at Nats last year in college... and this takedown is a joke. and Will not work on anyone with some experience. Its not a great move, and you don't have any control or momentum. Honestly, i would suggest no one, Ever to use to this move. Its wrestling 101 to not do this. If you want to head lock someone, do it from a collar tie or russian. End of story.
I personally think this is a dangerous move if it fails. he will have your back and experienced grapplers will always tap you out if you give him your back.
i love the wrestlng series and i hope it continues it adds something...... its easier to learn then judo (i think).... this guy makes it loook really simple.... most of people viewing this are not professionals sooo calm down and if you think he doing it wrong and make a video and do it right and tell every1 about it and let us seee
looks like a regular hip throw. won't more damage be caused if you threw the person from standing? (this coming from someone who only spectates, mind you)
The arguments over whether this will or won't work reminds me of a discussion I overheard in a dingy basement locker room of a Philly Karate club: Guys were discussing what fighting style is the most effective, and from a dark corner an old Rasta offered up: "I don't care if your style is swinging your arms with your eyes closed; you do it long enough, you're gonna be bad." (note to non-native English speakers: in this case, bad means great.) I always try to remember that quote.
The arguments over whether this will or won't work reminds me of a discussion I overheard in a dingy basement locker room of a Philly Karate club: Guys were discussing what fighting style is the most effective, and from a dark corner an old Rasta offered up: "I don't care if your style is swinging your arms with your eyes closed; you do it long enough, you're gonna be bad." (note to non-native English speakers: in this case, bad means great.) I always try to remember that quote.
I cant believe all you guys are hating on this move. This is one of my favorate moves. I dont consider myself a good grappler as a matter of fact Im crap. But this is one the few moves I can pull on people who are 2 belts higher than me, and I can testify to this in more than 1 dojo. Please keep up the wrestling posts.
@NorthPoleXmasTrees as you develop as a grapler, you will find that this will not work on most people, one reason, the hips...way too far apart, droping to your knees and you lose your leverage. things like that
@NorthPoleXmasTrees No kidding! Everybody has a move that works great for them. It doesnt matter if it works for everybody else just as long as it works for you.
@NorthPoleXmasTrees Why does it matter belts? I can roll people who have been there 4-5 years plus and not have any problems taking them down and controlling them, and I've only been doing it 3-4 months. So belt level do count, but it matters who has better technique and sometimes strength.
seriously... whoever is saying it wont work or the technique sucks really needs to stop... i do jiu jitsu and muai thai and im not a wrestler but i have used this b4 and it does work. also they cant really show how much it will work cuz there teaching u technique and not actually using the move. also it may not work on all ppl but thts something u have to figure it out for urself cuz there trained professionals and they know wat there doing
havent been on here on this vid in awhile, but from the comments i can still see people saying that this throw (corkscrew/head throw) wont work. for the most part its true, BUT let me just say this: 2009 NCAA championship--149lbs match, metcalf vs caldwell (about 28 secs into the match). need i say more? (if u dont know what im talking about, look it up). even against a hodge trophy winner a head throw can work if set up and done properly.
albeit, caldwell doesn't pin or end up in kasa as the instructor in the vid does...he still gets the 2 (even after the desperation counter-roll metcalf gives).
wow sorry thiis guy is bad this move will never work, there is too much space in the hips. and the head control thing he was doing is bearly works in that position. only effective if you have a russan or something
dear submissions 101 this move is a head lock first of all. second of all it would never work in a wrestling match, i mean it would but in high school wrestling coaches tend not to teach it because headlocks are a 50/50 gamble. if your feet are together like that around the 3:45 point in the video you have zero balance and aginst anyone that knows anything about wrestling this move will be the death of you. you never see these moves at high level wrestling or mma, becasue they dont work
@Nick2phat9 thank you somebody who knows what they are talking about, the only way it works is it insted of droping, go for a major throw like harri goshi, or ogoshi
#1 mistake he's doing with that hold down, he's crossing his legs. #2 him being on his feet makes him susceptible for a gut wrench if the person on the bottom shrimps in, pushes him off balance than proceeds with the wrench
He is doing that relatively wrong I wrestle and that's not how you do a hip sag or corkscrew takedown. His back is at his opponent, and he can easily lose balance.
@SneakyBadness That is the problem with the internet. It allows anyone to instantly become a self appointed expert on anything they want without any credentials. BTW, love your user handle.
i know... i love martial arts but my mind set is i can always learn. even from people less skilled than me (not saying that is the case with this bad ass cause hes shown me alot about wrestling i never took the time to learn in these couple videos)
these arrogant fucks talking shit will never improve their game
@TGUNZ562 , Catch Wrestling has its merits, but saying sub wrestling > BJJ is kind of a void statement seeing as how submission wrestling is a composition of many grappling styles, BJJ being one of them. That being said, Catch, Sub Wrestling, and BJJ are all fine arts. It's always best to stay open minded about this sort of thing.
well i'm pretty happy that you added wrestling 101 to your channel...i was watching some of your bjj videos and they're great...have to admit i didn't watch all of them because i train bjj so i thought i might just learn everything that's on the channel on bjj trainings, but wrestling is pretty rare where i'm from...it's hard to find any gym so at least i can learn something from watching this ;)
A hip toss is one thing, but this is just a bit to risky. An experienced judoka would see this coming a mile away, slip the head, and take your back. Even while maintaining that scarfhold, going down on your knees, while they are on their feet would do nothing but detriment your base and power over him. Much love to Submissions101, you guys are awesome, but I have to agree with Andrew on this.
im sorry 2 say, i love u ari and i love sub101 but the wrestling series is horrible, this guy doesnt know what he is doing, any highschool level wrestler would out takedown this guy, and every single college level wrestler would make him look silly, he has horrible technique
@andrew7913 hey Andrew, I understand your comments about there are people that will love it and hate it. I've seen Nick pull this off at full speed (which looks way more impressive). The main problem with many you tube videos (including mine) is that 'demos' don't usually have a wow factor associated with them. Furthermore, this is a small segment of a larger video (and description) so sometimes people see things out of context. In the end, take what you want and we appreciate the support
@Submissions101 im talking about "wow factor", im just saying that this guy is making fundimental wrestling mistakes such as, knees and/or ankles touching, head on the outside when doing a single leg that isnt a high crotch just to name a few.
i love sub101 not for its wow factor in its moves, i love it for the effectiveness of its moves and how well it is demoed, but these takedowns will not work on a seasoned wrestler.
@andrew7913 Andrew, you may be right but let's also remember that not everyone is a seasoned wrestler or judoka. i understand where you are going with this however. its all good ;-)
@Submissions101 100% agree. BJJ guys have such awful takedowns and wrestling than it's almost essential that they stick with simple knee picks and whatnot. If you ever work from the feet with a BJJ guy.....you'll find it weird because they'll purposefully crumple with a shot to get to their backs. Totally different world. P.S.--these posts are awesome.
@Submissions101 i have to agree with andrew, this guy is terrible, and ari i know you are defending him becouse he is with subs 101, but common....as soon as you drop to your knees like that you are in trubble.
@andrew7913 These videos are mostly to just get the ideas behind a technique; they are good for beginners and even to refresh the minds of advanced students. I think this guy is great.
@andrew7913 I agree with your original comment. While in any match whether it be wrestling, jiujitsu or mma, this takedown will get stuffed as soon as your knees hit.
@submissions101 Granted I haven't click through the series yet but an alternative to this takedown would be a hip throw. The same starting setup yet instead of going to your knees (which is a wrestling no-no) you'd take your left leg and step out, toss over hips and land in side control.
@andrew7913 i have to agree with andrew, this guy is terrible, and ari i know you are defending him becouse he is with subs 101, but common....as soon as you drop to your knees like that you are in trubble.
@andrew7913 hey man do you have any good vids or links i could watch...not a wrestler btw so i couldnt tell that he sucks haha but i can see what you mean ...cool
Ok, this technique is useful...but it´s REALLY NOT safe for your knees, as none of the techiniques that use landing on the ground using your knees is (i.e. drop seoinage in judo). Every single guy I´ve met who uses drop seionage as favourite technique has serious knee problems over time. People should use it with caution.
This move is high percentage to get people to the ground, but the problem is transitioning into a dominate side control. You have to get your arm from around their head to around their shoulder or else they can shuck you off and get back to their feet. I kinda LOL'd at the fact that this technique is actually taught as it seems to be most new grapplers number one take down. Kids in school yard fights always resort to this.
This looks like a modified hip toss. But when you go to your knees your opponent could easily post out to the rolling side with his leg ( in this video his left leg). or use the opposite leg to hook the body and prevent the roll, then push forward or roll backwards to the modified mount. This might be effective in wrestling( not sure what their rules are), but in freestyle grappling, it would be a poor choice against an experienced grappler. Trust me, use the hip toss. Bump, lift,and twist.
@Submissions101 Well said brother. Its all about knowing WHEN its appropriate to use the move. Also, not every move is good for everyone. Size, stregnth, athletic ability and any handicaps (bad knees-bad shoulder-etc.) are a major factor in how you'll want to fight. Anyway, keep it up and thanks for the videos! Peace.
@fund4ment But that is the problem with life...sometimes there are mats involved. Sometimes we do things outside the asphalt. Sometimes we do sport (wrestling, jiu jitsu etc). It should be obvious to the viewer that this is meant for sport application and not 'reality self defense."
@Submissions101 well its never good to just bang down your knees even if its a mat under you, just wait and see, it will hurt as HELL if you injure them
I think I am with the people who say this is high risk. Especially with keeping your legs tight together, that seems like suicide to me. I know the object is to fall down, but what if you are pulled back, you have no base. I will give this a go in training but I don't think I would try it in a fight.
@lucozademan999 I learned long ago that not everyone will agree with moves put out on you tube. EVERYONE has their own take or counter points to ANY move. I have yet to see one move where 100 % of people agree. This move has its time and its place just like any other move. The key is to practice and know when to try it.
@Submissions101 Wise as ever Ari. I've been following you for along time and really appreciate the effort you have put in. Some of us aren't lucky enough to be able to train regularly so any bits of wisdom you have to offer i'm willing to hear.keep it up! (that what she said.)
Lol probably still keep going........ with that underhook any bluebelt is about 2 seconds from taking your back when you hit the ground. Maybe Ari can troubleshoot this and adjust it for BJJ. Its 2 points in a Comp. to get a take down like that. Its 4 points to get your back taken. Maybe over hooking the underhook as soon as you hit the ground. We have been focusing on take downs recently so I will give this a shot.
I am an og that coaches wrestling. This is a close version of how I teach young kids to head lock so they will not get rolled through. It lowers the momentum but the level change makes up for it. way smarter than stepping through and stripping!
@chavamma you should feel lucky. my first jujitsu sensei was a little old jap. He'd just show us the technique once with no explanation, we were expected to get it and we got a nice little smack on the head if we were doing it wrong. We rarely got explanations and if we did they were short and to the point.
@chavamma Lucky that teachers now show you multiple times, multiple angles and give detailed explanations. We got shown once and were expected to understand. I think learning the way I was taught is actually better because having learned with no explanations I can watch someone do a technique and figure it out correctly most times.
im not going to comment about counters (i think some people comment just to say "hey, im a know it all and this wont work if he a, then b, then c", so that people will think they r great or knowledgable)...i mean, anyone doing this for any time realizes that there is a counter to just about everything out there (be it throw or sub). he is teaching great technique and thats the important thing...technique is essential. im sure the instuctor is well aware of the counters to this throw. great vid.
this would be a great move to lead to the keylock great vid,i just dont understand how you would avoid a great bjj guy from getting your back .Please explain
a good way to use this move is to defend an opponents shot with a hiplock (whizzer). If your using ur right arm to whizzer then you throw ur left arm across his neck and shift your hips to the right and vise versa if u got ur whizzer in with ur left arm. .. O ya btw thx for the vids they helped me win my first bjj tourney this week. =) i won naga at an intermediate lvl (2yrs-) using only my wrestling experience, 2.5months of bjj, and ur moves.
a counter to this is simply duck your head under the headlock and take your opponents back, or you can lock around his waist and throw him backwards when he shifts his weight to throw you, or you can weight down when he hits his knees and then you should be able to pull your head out and take his back. Not criticizing the move, just pointing out its counters and defenses=p
@k3nd4lll if he got it tight that won't work...very common is to roll through when he tries to force you to the ground...but again if he got it tight it's gonna be difficult.
as a wrestler im not going to say this is rly a bad move but after about age 6 in wrestling it becomes a pretty low percentage move. This move can work if u hit it fast and unexpectedly, but i would'nt recommend trying it vs a half way decent wrestler.
@k3nd4lll I feel that you need also take in the fact that anything you really practice it can work. I started wrestling 37 years ago and point here is concepts.I know that there is alot of counters and better high percentage moves but this has alot of good ideas and helps guys learning to wrestle.
@Devon187 Im a submission grappler so i apply this to submission wrestling, so i dont know much about freestyle but this is the biggest bullshit move ever!
@kilerseven i would just keep in that position, because shifting to chest on chest would create separation in the process of the transition giving your opponent the ability to escape or get off their back
epicmidgetdude 1 month ago
So here's a question from a newbie wrestler... Would you go chest to chest with that or keep that position?
kilerseven 1 month ago
can you get a head and arm from the ending position of that takedown?
332546 2 months ago
THX ALOT TIS IS GOING TO HELP! i have youth wrestling tornament tommorow andi now know anothetive way to fell my opponent
PokemonDude1081 2 months ago
My opinion is that if you learn the moves then you have more options in which you can go to when something else doesn't work to catch the guy out. Its better to know it, add it to your arsenal. then use it rather than just write it off as not good.
Scouserrrr08 2 months ago
Great move! Very effective specially when alternating with hip tosses to confuse your opponent.
miamiarnisgroup 3 months ago
lol@"weird arm shit"
DRAGONTEK2K 3 months ago
If you just keep your hips high, and your head loose, you can usually just pop your head out, and take his back. This is pretty much a hip toss.
MMAfighter1555 3 months ago
This move suffers from what i call the "aikido phenomena"; works best when opponent pushing against u.
jjhaywood 4 months ago
Karo Parisyan gives a detailed rundown of that "weird arm shit" from side control in his judo for mma dvds. I didn't see it as very practical but whatever,
These are great videos for this channel, very basic, very useful.
Wrestling is always going to be easy to defend in technique, the idea is to do it fast enough and with enough strength that your opponant is just steamrolled.
MongoloidNigger 5 months ago
This move looks good in theory, but it's far too easy to defend against. The guy with the body lock can just post his leg to prevent the sweep.
In all retrospect, if you had stuck your leg out behind you and went for a judo throw instead of dropping to your knees, you wouldn't risk the possibility of being put in a defensive side sprawl control position and your opponent would hit the canvas harder too.
Gaskal1365 5 months ago
the guy said 'THIS' way 2 many times
Frdgamer 5 months ago
wtf is thisshit?
weedpussymoney321 6 months ago
Very nice technique! Simple and effective on the mat :-)
but if youre interested in self defence stunff then remember NEVER EVER to use this one on hard ground such as concrete. Gonna break your knees.
team1337er 7 months ago
Why does everybody hate on the element of surprise? A pro boxer can easily be ko'ed with a simple hook, but you don't see people crying that it wont work right in EVERY SITUATION.
DrVoltage1 8 months ago
i hate all the trolls online! lol of course this move can be countered! cant the same be said of literally everyother technique? i thought thats what made grappling so great, the chess match involved, the application of technique to counter your opponents reactions. saying this move wont work because it can be countered is like saying the armbar is useless if someone knows a telephone escape.
sharkfinnigan 8 months ago
i love showing up to class with my lil secret submission 101 techniques, it truely has made me excited about bjj in every class, i suggest making a mental set list of moves that you learned from the videos and looking for the perfect opportunities to try to use them, most of the time they fail on the first try but if you keep trying you get a feel of when to use them, i cant wait to start trying some wrestling takedowns while im rolling next time.
sharkfinnigan 8 months ago
This is a nice way to make most judo and jujutsu throws work without the gi.
bae313 8 months ago
THIS WILL NOT WORK THE WAY HES DOING IT
jw9626 10 months ago
This takedown will work to get them to the ground but watching sub101 jits guys roll this takedown is not suprising. they have a simple headlock (kesakitami) if your against an experienced guy he has that under hook hes out and has your back before you know what happened.
cdtremayne 11 months ago
I love that submissions101 isn't entirely BJJ. Let's get some Judo next! (nogi)
choochoogoesit 11 months ago
I dont know if I would use this in a street fight??? Dropping on your knees on hard cement pavement doesnt seem like a good ideal??
1NX9 1 year ago
Hey if this move (like every other move) works for someone, then it works for that someone. There are no "supreme ultimate most AWESOME moves" out there because not every technique works for every fighter. If that was it, then eventually we would be left with one martial art in the world. If you can keep an open mind and not be a stuck up douchebag about martial arts techniques, then you're going to do a lot better than someone who is because you'll be open to learning more.
berner 1 year ago 18
@berner nicely said and what we have been trying to get across with Submissions 101 for the past 4 years!
Submissions101 1 year ago 7
@Submissions101 Hey thanks a lot and thanks for the reply. Don't worry too much, at least it's only been 4 years for you guys. I've been trying to get that point accross to people my whole life :D
If I'm ever out your way (I'm in Toronto), then I'll pop on by and try a few classes because I like to roll and would love to learn some of what you guys teach.
berner 1 year ago
All the comments about the technique in here are valid, but remember, with good control upstairs, this move will work, even with the knees together dropping into the six...instead of splitting the knees between the six and...9? whatever, my only (humble) addition would be for bjj guys...if you lose the grip on the elbow, grip on the tricep even a little, turn back into him and/or don't lose your back...it can be easy (defending this takedown) to hook a leg in if you have even a little space...
MrPhrogphurter 1 year ago
Looks like a head through
wildcat141able 1 year ago
Dude, with all my respect. The way you showed this technique is terrible.
After you get your collar and elbow (the grip you want) take a small step to his outside, as you do that hook his head and grab the tricep deep then drop your lead leg so that your lead knee is infront of his lead foot and then just drag him with you. It works WONDERS with me. BTW, we call it the Hip sag.
tearo 1 year ago
whats so impressive, its a simple headlock takedown finish from neutral...
barnettraheem 1 year ago
that how your a arm throw... not a head and arm .. this is crap.... you can tell you do mma and not wrestling
ursulab1 1 year ago 2
that how your a arm throw... not a head and arm .. this is crap.... you can tell you do mma and not westling
ursulab1 1 year ago 2
It's an awesome move. it's a lower impact of a judo hip toss.
mrtntdsmyth 1 year ago
@mrtntdsmyth also, if your doing a throw or as your calling it, a corkscrew, make sure your feet are apart, have the head and gripping his lat, and step through as far as possible. I understand you made it a lower impact for OG's with back problems or other hindering health obstructions, but it would be helpfull to put the correct form for the throw itself and then moddify it for the OG's.
mrtntdsmyth 1 year ago
@mrtntdsmyth I prefer the Uki-goshi in judo.
Voodoofreak35 1 year ago
omg
guys its the person who fails the teqnique, not the teqnique that fails the person,
sub 101 gives hundreds of moves for free, pick the ones you want and put it into your jkd.
people who say this move dosn't work failed the move thats all.
thanks a bunch, i like how this ones safe to use.
thank you sub 101
kenseisato1989 1 year ago
So umm... headlock. Welcome to the Iowa State High School Wrestling tournament.
retro369 1 year ago
pretty much a head and arm.. just a ton gayer
laxbra1 1 year ago
To me, it looks like a head and arm.
Mr0hboy 1 year ago
hey im a wrestler in middle school i was wondering if you could make a video about taking down bigger guys
entertherambo 1 year ago
this isnt the corkscrew we learned......
buttnuggets123 1 year ago
I joined wrestling, I feel like studying :D
I also like the reap any opinions on that ?
Juggalo23Klown 1 year ago
I learned this move like 8 years ago, but you grab around the neck instead of around the shoulders? Does it really matter?
NinjaWarriorDude 1 year ago
im from scandinavia and here I dont even know if wrestling exist.. so thank sub101
snekkevik 1 year ago
I thought it was called a lateral throw?
fourarms325 1 year ago
Im sorry, I placed at Nats last year in college... and this takedown is a joke. and Will not work on anyone with some experience. Its not a great move, and you don't have any control or momentum. Honestly, i would suggest no one, Ever to use to this move. Its wrestling 101 to not do this. If you want to head lock someone, do it from a collar tie or russian. End of story.
connor8connor 1 year ago
Great vids guys as always. I know nothing about wrestling so these are cool!
zmollon 1 year ago
some weird arm shit!!!
nref55 1 year ago
I personally think this is a dangerous move if it fails. he will have your back and experienced grapplers will always tap you out if you give him your back.
Shadow2271 1 year ago
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i love the wrestlng series and i hope it continues it adds something...... its easier to learn then judo (i think).... this guy makes it loook really simple.... most of people viewing this are not professionals sooo calm down and if you think he doing it wrong and make a video and do it right and tell every1 about it and let us seee
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SOME1INHERE 1 year ago
Instead of doing the drop throw thingy, you could always just do a beast no-gi Harai-goshi.
longfingernail 1 year ago
This wrestling is good... the submissions are much better... but at least with this people can learn the basics of wrestling
TylerH2055 1 year ago
looks like a regular hip throw. won't more damage be caused if you threw the person from standing? (this coming from someone who only spectates, mind you)
piggypoo 1 year ago
i do this all the time before i even saw this vid
SharpBladeZzz 1 year ago
so is the counter to this a german suplex?
themeaningoflife38 1 year ago
i think this is a great move.
but lol when i did this i got them in an arm triangle. good combo
nhuw125432 1 year ago
good video, thank you for the tip.
wilson36532 1 year ago
The arguments over whether this will or won't work reminds me of a discussion I overheard in a dingy basement locker room of a Philly Karate club: Guys were discussing what fighting style is the most effective, and from a dark corner an old Rasta offered up: "I don't care if your style is swinging your arms with your eyes closed; you do it long enough, you're gonna be bad." (note to non-native English speakers: in this case, bad means great.) I always try to remember that quote.
mrkicks866 1 year ago 2
The arguments over whether this will or won't work reminds me of a discussion I overheard in a dingy basement locker room of a Philly Karate club: Guys were discussing what fighting style is the most effective, and from a dark corner an old Rasta offered up: "I don't care if your style is swinging your arms with your eyes closed; you do it long enough, you're gonna be bad." (note to non-native English speakers: in this case, bad means great.) I always try to remember that quote.
mrkicks866 1 year ago
Guys, simple moves can be a great move if you really work on it.
JTbae 1 year ago
I agree horrible, would not work on anyone who knows what they are doing!
timiepn 1 year ago
Its basically a head-n-arm. Which is a beginner move even at the high school level.
peterpanman89 1 year ago
it's his 6...
J90JAM 1 year ago
I cant believe all you guys are hating on this move. This is one of my favorate moves. I dont consider myself a good grappler as a matter of fact Im crap. But this is one the few moves I can pull on people who are 2 belts higher than me, and I can testify to this in more than 1 dojo. Please keep up the wrestling posts.
NorthPoleXmasTrees 1 year ago 19
@NorthPoleXmasTrees What you will find is that everyone has an opinion on grappling and what works and what doesn't.
Submissions101 1 year ago 3
@Submissions101 works well with a whizzer if someone tries to go for an underhook on you
sharkfinnigan 2 months ago
@NorthPoleXmasTrees as you develop as a grapler, you will find that this will not work on most people, one reason, the hips...way too far apart, droping to your knees and you lose your leverage. things like that
AlexAbatecola1 1 year ago
@NorthPoleXmasTrees No kidding! Everybody has a move that works great for them. It doesnt matter if it works for everybody else just as long as it works for you.
james81885 1 year ago
@NorthPoleXmasTrees Why does it matter belts? I can roll people who have been there 4-5 years plus and not have any problems taking them down and controlling them, and I've only been doing it 3-4 months. So belt level do count, but it matters who has better technique and sometimes strength.
macdev55 1 year ago
seriously... whoever is saying it wont work or the technique sucks really needs to stop... i do jiu jitsu and muai thai and im not a wrestler but i have used this b4 and it does work. also they cant really show how much it will work cuz there teaching u technique and not actually using the move. also it may not work on all ppl but thts something u have to figure it out for urself cuz there trained professionals and they know wat there doing
Justinchis94 1 year ago
havent been on here on this vid in awhile, but from the comments i can still see people saying that this throw (corkscrew/head throw) wont work. for the most part its true, BUT let me just say this: 2009 NCAA championship--149lbs match, metcalf vs caldwell (about 28 secs into the match). need i say more? (if u dont know what im talking about, look it up). even against a hodge trophy winner a head throw can work if set up and done properly.
onlyonesuperdude 1 year ago
@onlyonesuperdude
albeit, caldwell doesn't pin or end up in kasa as the instructor in the vid does...he still gets the 2 (even after the desperation counter-roll metcalf gives).
onlyonesuperdude 1 year ago
it's like the no gi/wrestling version of tsuri goshi with a kesa gatame on the ground.
jimminyjillikers 1 year ago
wow sorry thiis guy is bad this move will never work, there is too much space in the hips. and the head control thing he was doing is bearly works in that position. only effective if you have a russan or something
AlexAbatecola1 1 year ago
dear submissions 101 this move is a head lock first of all. second of all it would never work in a wrestling match, i mean it would but in high school wrestling coaches tend not to teach it because headlocks are a 50/50 gamble. if your feet are together like that around the 3:45 point in the video you have zero balance and aginst anyone that knows anything about wrestling this move will be the death of you. you never see these moves at high level wrestling or mma, becasue they dont work
Nick2phat9 1 year ago
@Nick2phat9 thank you somebody who knows what they are talking about, the only way it works is it insted of droping, go for a major throw like harri goshi, or ogoshi
AlexAbatecola1 1 year ago
We should stop looking to critique every technique we see. I see some good fundmentals here. Keep doing what you're doing.
bowacademy 1 year ago
lol some wierd arm shit
yellopanda 1 year ago
#1 mistake he's doing with that hold down, he's crossing his legs. #2 him being on his feet makes him susceptible for a gut wrench if the person on the bottom shrimps in, pushes him off balance than proceeds with the wrench
Gunskie 1 year ago
I can't believe until this day people are still arguing over the most effective wrestling style or even martial arts.
Every martial arts is considered a weapon, and every weapon shares the same weakness: its user.
SatanistTV 1 year ago
* i love reading comments . . hahaha . .
saattchi 1 year ago
He is doing that relatively wrong I wrestle and that's not how you do a hip sag or corkscrew takedown. His back is at his opponent, and he can easily lose balance.
Madmaz23 1 year ago
LMAO "Weird arm shit"...that made me lol, good videos brother
jodakin2001 1 year ago
"Or you guys do some weird arm shit or whatever " I lol'd.
Nice video.
martinimvu 1 year ago
Would this not be really high risk of someone taking your back??
hoganator999 1 year ago
I always called this the Head & Arm takedown. The only difference I see is he grips the arm pit instead of the head.
363498 1 year ago
lol everyone is a martial arts master.
SneakyBadness 1 year ago 2
@SneakyBadness That is the problem with the internet. It allows anyone to instantly become a self appointed expert on anything they want without any credentials. BTW, love your user handle.
X581jr 1 year ago
@X581jr
i know... i love martial arts but my mind set is i can always learn. even from people less skilled than me (not saying that is the case with this bad ass cause hes shown me alot about wrestling i never took the time to learn in these couple videos)
these arrogant fucks talking shit will never improve their game
SneakyBadness 1 year ago
American Catch Wrestling/Combat Submission Wrestling>BJJ
TGUNZ562 1 year ago
@TGUNZ562 , Catch Wrestling has its merits, but saying sub wrestling > BJJ is kind of a void statement seeing as how submission wrestling is a composition of many grappling styles, BJJ being one of them. That being said, Catch, Sub Wrestling, and BJJ are all fine arts. It's always best to stay open minded about this sort of thing.
YamaRider93 1 year ago
well i'm pretty happy that you added wrestling 101 to your channel...i was watching some of your bjj videos and they're great...have to admit i didn't watch all of them because i train bjj so i thought i might just learn everything that's on the channel on bjj trainings, but wrestling is pretty rare where i'm from...it's hard to find any gym so at least i can learn something from watching this ;)
iLuvHardStyle 1 year ago
A hip toss is one thing, but this is just a bit to risky. An experienced judoka would see this coming a mile away, slip the head, and take your back. Even while maintaining that scarfhold, going down on your knees, while they are on their feet would do nothing but detriment your base and power over him. Much love to Submissions101, you guys are awesome, but I have to agree with Andrew on this.
YamaRider93 1 year ago
Submission via some wierd arm shit.
vegasskating 1 year ago 38
im sorry 2 say, i love u ari and i love sub101 but the wrestling series is horrible, this guy doesnt know what he is doing, any highschool level wrestler would out takedown this guy, and every single college level wrestler would make him look silly, he has horrible technique
andrew7913 1 year ago
@andrew7913 hey Andrew, I understand your comments about there are people that will love it and hate it. I've seen Nick pull this off at full speed (which looks way more impressive). The main problem with many you tube videos (including mine) is that 'demos' don't usually have a wow factor associated with them. Furthermore, this is a small segment of a larger video (and description) so sometimes people see things out of context. In the end, take what you want and we appreciate the support
Submissions101 1 year ago
@Submissions101 im talking about "wow factor", im just saying that this guy is making fundimental wrestling mistakes such as, knees and/or ankles touching, head on the outside when doing a single leg that isnt a high crotch just to name a few.
i love sub101 not for its wow factor in its moves, i love it for the effectiveness of its moves and how well it is demoed, but these takedowns will not work on a seasoned wrestler.
andrew7913 1 year ago
@andrew7913 Andrew, you may be right but let's also remember that not everyone is a seasoned wrestler or judoka. i understand where you are going with this however. its all good ;-)
Submissions101 1 year ago 6
@Submissions101 100% agree. BJJ guys have such awful takedowns and wrestling than it's almost essential that they stick with simple knee picks and whatnot. If you ever work from the feet with a BJJ guy.....you'll find it weird because they'll purposefully crumple with a shot to get to their backs. Totally different world. P.S.--these posts are awesome.
adamish1134 1 year ago
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@Submissions101 i have to agree with andrew, this guy is terrible, and ari i know you are defending him becouse he is with subs 101, but common....as soon as you drop to your knees like that you are in trubble.
AlexAbatecola1 1 year ago
@andrew7913 These videos are mostly to just get the ideas behind a technique; they are good for beginners and even to refresh the minds of advanced students. I think this guy is great.
Fupper16 1 year ago
@andrew7913 I agree with your original comment. While in any match whether it be wrestling, jiujitsu or mma, this takedown will get stuffed as soon as your knees hit.
@submissions101 Granted I haven't click through the series yet but an alternative to this takedown would be a hip throw. The same starting setup yet instead of going to your knees (which is a wrestling no-no) you'd take your left leg and step out, toss over hips and land in side control.
cogswela 1 year ago
@andrew7913 i have to agree with andrew, this guy is terrible, and ari i know you are defending him becouse he is with subs 101, but common....as soon as you drop to your knees like that you are in trubble.
AlexAbatecola1 1 year ago
@andrew7913 hey man do you have any good vids or links i could watch...not a wrestler btw so i couldnt tell that he sucks haha but i can see what you mean ...cool
jonshultz 1 year ago
@andrew7913
yeah i agree too. im a 1st year high school wrestler and i know people that can this guy easily.
this takedown is called the head and arm.
tigerninja14 1 year ago
@andrew7913 i agree 100%... his technique is is garbage
ursulab1 1 year ago
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@andrew7913 i agree 100%... his technique is garbage
ursulab1 1 year ago
thats what we call in my dojo a horrible ashi to a lazy maki to an uninformed kesa lol keep training
SanSuMartialArts 1 year ago
Ok, this technique is useful...but it´s REALLY NOT safe for your knees, as none of the techiniques that use landing on the ground using your knees is (i.e. drop seoinage in judo). Every single guy I´ve met who uses drop seionage as favourite technique has serious knee problems over time. People should use it with caution.
resapili 1 year ago
Basic head and arm. but with a little body twist added
jellyroll2unme 1 year ago
some weird arm shit :p lmfaooo
GrahamPeckhamBJJ 1 year ago
more more more.
fadikhawaja 1 year ago
This move is high percentage to get people to the ground, but the problem is transitioning into a dominate side control. You have to get your arm from around their head to around their shoulder or else they can shuck you off and get back to their feet. I kinda LOL'd at the fact that this technique is actually taught as it seems to be most new grapplers number one take down. Kids in school yard fights always resort to this.
djb12030 1 year ago
"you guys do some sort of arm shit" hahaha! Nice! Thats funny
BrannonMcConkey 1 year ago
Thank you - I will use this
gutwrench87121 1 year ago
This looks like a modified hip toss. But when you go to your knees your opponent could easily post out to the rolling side with his leg ( in this video his left leg). or use the opposite leg to hook the body and prevent the roll, then push forward or roll backwards to the modified mount. This might be effective in wrestling( not sure what their rules are), but in freestyle grappling, it would be a poor choice against an experienced grappler. Trust me, use the hip toss. Bump, lift,and twist.
X581jr 1 year ago
@X581jr I just read the video description and apologize for criticizing the technique.
X581jr 1 year ago
Having a tie in video showing some options from kesa would make this video perfect! I like it and will give it a shot tonight!
Clayxbmx 1 year ago
@Submissions101 Well said brother. Its all about knowing WHEN its appropriate to use the move. Also, not every move is good for everyone. Size, stregnth, athletic ability and any handicaps (bad knees-bad shoulder-etc.) are a major factor in how you'll want to fight. Anyway, keep it up and thanks for the videos! Peace.
csi402 1 year ago
ouch the knee..really dangerous
fund4ment 1 year ago
@fund4ment how so if this is done on mats? or if you have knee pads?
Submissions101 1 year ago
@Submissions101 that's the problem the mats..you can't really use it in real life..e.g. on asphalt
fund4ment 1 year ago
@fund4ment But that is the problem with life...sometimes there are mats involved. Sometimes we do things outside the asphalt. Sometimes we do sport (wrestling, jiu jitsu etc). It should be obvious to the viewer that this is meant for sport application and not 'reality self defense."
Submissions101 1 year ago 4
@Submissions101 in that case you're right.
fund4ment 1 year ago
@Submissions101 :) sometimes i just log on to youtube and watch awesome vids from your channel! always makes my day. thanks! sub101 and ari!
ipyonoti 1 year ago
@Submissions101 well its never good to just bang down your knees even if its a mat under you, just wait and see, it will hurt as HELL if you injure them
Korvtele 1 year ago
I think I am with the people who say this is high risk. Especially with keeping your legs tight together, that seems like suicide to me. I know the object is to fall down, but what if you are pulled back, you have no base. I will give this a go in training but I don't think I would try it in a fight.
lukeytron 1 year ago
looks like a higher risk hip toss wouldnt trust it to be honest if the guys backs strong enough your getting soltoed
sk8king619 1 year ago
sweet, this can totally be used in Judo.
Jackthemeat 1 year ago
nice move, seems quite low percentage though, especially if the other guy is alot stronger and can just hold your weight. cheers for sharing though!
lucozademan999 1 year ago
@lucozademan999 I learned long ago that not everyone will agree with moves put out on you tube. EVERYONE has their own take or counter points to ANY move. I have yet to see one move where 100 % of people agree. This move has its time and its place just like any other move. The key is to practice and know when to try it.
Submissions101 1 year ago 3
@Submissions101 Well said brother. Its all about knowing WHEN its appropriate to use the move.
csi402 1 year ago
@Submissions101 Wise as ever Ari. I've been following you for along time and really appreciate the effort you have put in. Some of us aren't lucky enough to be able to train regularly so any bits of wisdom you have to offer i'm willing to hear.keep it up! (that what she said.)
lucozademan999 1 year ago
This guy would throw all you people
iwanttofight69 1 year ago 2
Lol probably still keep going........ with that underhook any bluebelt is about 2 seconds from taking your back when you hit the ground. Maybe Ari can troubleshoot this and adjust it for BJJ. Its 2 points in a Comp. to get a take down like that. Its 4 points to get your back taken. Maybe over hooking the underhook as soon as you hit the ground. We have been focusing on take downs recently so I will give this a shot.
fatguyonthc 1 year ago
If we were picky we might classify this as a throw rather than a take down.
I think this throw is a little risky seeing as how you expose your back, just saying.
mitchhsansom 1 year ago
I am an og that coaches wrestling. This is a close version of how I teach young kids to head lock so they will not get rolled through. It lowers the momentum but the level change makes up for it. way smarter than stepping through and stripping!
john51880 1 year ago
Terrible technique!! any decent wrestler would have side control on you if u tried that..
He dropped to his knees wayy too early
da1jdoub 1 year ago
@FPSzanta *Applause* I couldn't have said it better myself. Great vid and technique.
chavamma 1 year ago
@chavamma you should feel lucky. my first jujitsu sensei was a little old jap. He'd just show us the technique once with no explanation, we were expected to get it and we got a nice little smack on the head if we were doing it wrong. We rarely got explanations and if we did they were short and to the point.
chushinryoku 1 year ago
@chushinryoku Lucky for what?
chavamma 1 year ago
@chavamma Lucky that teachers now show you multiple times, multiple angles and give detailed explanations. We got shown once and were expected to understand. I think learning the way I was taught is actually better because having learned with no explanations I can watch someone do a technique and figure it out correctly most times.
chushinryoku 1 year ago
@chushinryoku I feel blessed, I'm a Nidan In judo and have great honor and respect towards my art and sensei.
chavamma 1 year ago
im not going to comment about counters (i think some people comment just to say "hey, im a know it all and this wont work if he a, then b, then c", so that people will think they r great or knowledgable)...i mean, anyone doing this for any time realizes that there is a counter to just about everything out there (be it throw or sub). he is teaching great technique and thats the important thing...technique is essential. im sure the instuctor is well aware of the counters to this throw. great vid.
onlyonesuperdude 1 year ago 4
jesus, it's called a headlock or head and arm.
dirtyholt 1 year ago
this would be a great move to lead to the keylock great vid,i just dont understand how you would avoid a great bjj guy from getting your back .Please explain
Blackshinobi352 1 year ago
So a nieo sionagi to the side? heh, why not?
Vanchee09 1 year ago
a good way to use this move is to defend an opponents shot with a hiplock (whizzer). If your using ur right arm to whizzer then you throw ur left arm across his neck and shift your hips to the right and vise versa if u got ur whizzer in with ur left arm. .. O ya btw thx for the vids they helped me win my first bjj tourney this week. =) i won naga at an intermediate lvl (2yrs-) using only my wrestling experience, 2.5months of bjj, and ur moves.
k3nd4lll 1 year ago
a counter to this is simply duck your head under the headlock and take your opponents back, or you can lock around his waist and throw him backwards when he shifts his weight to throw you, or you can weight down when he hits his knees and then you should be able to pull your head out and take his back. Not criticizing the move, just pointing out its counters and defenses=p
k3nd4lll 1 year ago
@k3nd4lll if he got it tight that won't work...very common is to roll through when he tries to force you to the ground...but again if he got it tight it's gonna be difficult.
great basic move!!
chisik51 1 year ago
as a wrestler im not going to say this is rly a bad move but after about age 6 in wrestling it becomes a pretty low percentage move. This move can work if u hit it fast and unexpectedly, but i would'nt recommend trying it vs a half way decent wrestler.
k3nd4lll 1 year ago
@k3nd4lll I feel that you need also take in the fact that anything you really practice it can work. I started wrestling 37 years ago and point here is concepts.I know that there is alot of counters and better high percentage moves but this has alot of good ideas and helps guys learning to wrestle.
MasterHatfield 1 year ago
ha such bullshit move, right when u drop on your knees the other guy would just push him down
Devon187 1 year ago
@Devon187 Im a submission grappler so i apply this to submission wrestling, so i dont know much about freestyle but this is the biggest bullshit move ever!
youngcoaco 1 year ago
@youngcoaco
read description?
danielyeh 1 year ago
@Devon187 it is going to take him one second to get him on the ground and the opponent wont even have enough time to push him or thing of pushing him
a55591 1 year ago
more plse
theymiya 1 year ago
good job
MaskedBlazer7 1 year ago
nice vid!!1
meleemonkey14 1 year ago