I'm wondering if the doctors simply have tables that are only cleared for up to 200lbs. That might mean they'd have to buy larger tables... but it wouldn't be their fault directly that they cannot treat people who are above that weight. I mean: if you call a tow truck for your car, but it is too heavy to tow it's not the tow truck driver discriminating against you, he's simply unable to give you service effectively because he is unprepared for your size...
I can't believe anyone would ever oppose an airline charging a lardass for two seats. There are only two other alternatives. The first is that every other passenger has to pay slightly more for their own seats to cover the cost of a twofer for the lardass or an even more disturbing possibility: the poor suckers next to the lardass have to pay.
OB/gyn is female genocide it always has been ... wake up get back to leafy green fruity juice ... Jack La Lanne, exercise avoid dairy and sick dead animal cruelty on your soul ... go vegan ... poking in holes and charging you $ to doctor the records and sell your organs and get new wives every decade .. can't conceive ... why unity fee males and lay dies ... avoid clinics that push death up your ushkibushk and tell thrivers of violence and rape they have cancer when the lobbiest cost too much
We are talking about OB/GYN, OB dont treat sick ppl. they treat women with pregnancies. that is a bit different then being internist or Family and turning someone away.
My father is a doctor, and he has told me several times that most doctors have at least one lawsuit filed against them. The U.S loves lawsuits, but that doesn't mean you can quit doing your job properly because you are worried about them.
This is happening because of HMOs. A doctor gets x amount of dollars per patient, per month when they are in an HMO, whether they need care that month or not. They have learned that the high risk patients are the ones who take up the most time. Years ago when medicine meant caring for, And About, a patient, they did whatever was needed. Now its all business, patients are anonymous consumers of their time and effort. So many of them don't care...doctors belong to the corporation now.
In a free society anyyone in business ought to be allowed to sell his services to whomever he wants,assuming that he can find a willing buyer-- whether the service is healthcare or sandwich making otherwise you are someone's slave. Besides if you want a doctor to take on greater risk we need to do something about our law suit happy society--otherwise healthcare professionals will make the necessary practical choices to guard their own lives. Period.
@sleedolfine15 In a free society everyone should have access to health care. It's not simply the obese being denied the right to be served by corporately owned docs, there are tons of conditions docs won't take. The at-risk who live in one place long enough get "fired" as patients from all offices, increasingly owned by fewer companies, leaving them with no medical care. BCBS has even expressed being baffled @ this, but said they can't "force businesses to take customers". It's SICK! Go Cenk!
@LexeconKiddo Everyone does have access to healthcare as they do food and housing--which in my humble opinion,is more important than healthcare(I can go without a doctor,but not food). The question is how to provide this as well as other human wants. I believe in the free market and I blame our screwed up healthcare system as I do our screwed up education system on excessive government interference in these 2 areas. Let's bring the efficiency of the cell phone industry to healthcare.
@sleedolfine15 Wrong. Sorry, but you're not correct. What access is there to health care when docs refuse certain patients en masse & no regulatory body exists to force them to change their policies? Most people who believe in the free market w/o any regulations end up angry about certain facets of monopolization, such as today's news re: AT&T & TMobile & their planned merger, since you mention cell phone service. Great efficiency, until they all merge into one. Please.
@sleedolfine15 As for the docs & my comment, it's not something I much mention online, until I saw this & realized that docs are in fact doing this to more & more. What I said I said from personal experience, though not for the same exact reason in this vid, as I'm not obese nor was my weight a factor. Too many patients are denied care by the offices employing the docs. I'm one, & have one of the best private insurance plans available. I'm not alone. Please understand the injustice of this!
@89caballero I'm just saying if the tables weight is 250 and the lady weighs 600lbs it's going to break. it's just my glass coffee table im not stupid enough to but my 50lb TV on it's common sense some people lack it.....?
@Ranzalove Oh it gets worse my friend say if I were to try to get health insurance thru my employer. I would most likely have to pay more being 5lbs overweigh welcome to America.....!
It's not the doctors fault, they get sued for outrageous things and it's not fair. I'm not saying that people should be discriminated against but it's not fair that they can be sued for things that aren't their fault.
"I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant:
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I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.
I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure."
My question is: So what if you are one pound overweight...will you be turned away? I myself am considered ten pounds overweight, so does that mean I will be denied service? Also, what is this bullshit of pregnant women being called overweight and being turned away? They Have A Baby Growing Inside Them, Of Course They Will Gain Weight! Why Do You Think They Are Visiting A Doctor In The First Place? TO FREAKING RECEIVE PRENATAL CARE FOR THE BABY GROWING INSIDE THEM! SCREW THESE DOCTORS!
@DarkCrescendo "My question is: So what if you are one pound overweight...will you be turned away?"
You oughtta be, because the fat and addicted have driven up pool risk, and thus costs, to unaffordable extremes, which now drives otherwise healthy and responsible people out of the coverage they actually need. Diffusion of responsibility--what a wonderful POS fault in human society...
Not to mention that putting a 400 pound lardass into a medical device that only supports 200 pounds can not only destroy the device but also severely injure the fat fuck.
The point is that fat people take up more space and require more sturdy equipment and are less healthy and most fat people are fat because they are lazy.
The problem is that every minority wants to make everyone else adapt to their needs instead of adapting to the world themselves.
If your doctor only has equipment with a certain weight limit you need to go and find a doctor or hospital with more sturdy equipment instead of ordering your doctor to get new equipment.
@Solidus1086 Sorry, but you have a real skinny-skewed understanding of people who are fat. If you're fat because you're lazy, then that's you, but I'm not and I know few fat people who I could actually call "lazy."
So why don't you just keep your assumptions and generalizations aimed at yourself?
Ana, as always comes out with another insanity: get government involved into this, quick!
How about NO? Why should anybody be FORCED to do something they don't want to by government? Rand Paul got this right: fucking gov't gets into anything, turns people into indentured servants or slaves, however you wish to call this.
Here is an advice: get gov't money OUT OF MEDICAL FIELD AND INSURANCE, so that there will be more competition and even the fatties will get their appointment with an OBGYN.
How much do you guys want to bet that if Cenk was skinny he'd be like " Ohh ComeOnComeOnComeOnComeOnComeComeOn, i mean I gotta keep real but dude , your breaking the machines man and costing the gyms money now that's reasonable and fair, I'm not hating on fat people but I'm keeping it real you know, look man, I'm sorry man but, your costing them money, so the question is can they kick you out if they're a privately-owned business and are not making a profit, OF COOOUUUUUUUURSE!"
Is freaking annoying that the adds volume is higher than the news... I have to keep lowering the volume at the beginning and the end and uping the volume on the ,middle of every video... can we have the same volume for all the video?
Maybe these people get treated different because they are. Women pay less for car insurance. I bet the last place I see Anna lobbying for is against that cause. Things are different for everybody because we are all different. As long as you respect those differences who cares. It's reality. Reality doesn't have to be P.C. sorry it's true. Fat people should pay more for seats on a plane, short people not allowed on rollercoasters, smokers pay more for health insurance etc.
@ArtemisMS that would be like a normal teacher being expected to teach mentally handicap students (=fat patients) in a normal class room without the same experience, and anyway you shake it a 200 pound woman is FAT, of coursssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
@ArtemisMS No it isn't. Education is a treatment for stupidity, prenatal care is not a treatment for being a fat-ass. If a dietician had a weight limit, that would be a fair comparison.
You all think it's because of liability and damaged equipment? I bet it's because these doctors don't like looking at fat chicks. If you're a hot thin girl, you should avoid ob-gyns with weight restrictions because they're in it for sexual thrills (and money).
Please note the "tend to" and "in my experience". While there are many fat people aren't gluttonous slobs, I've seen and met PLENTY who are. Also common is a general lack of self-respect. And as a runner, I've heard the phrase "RUN FORREST RUN!!!111" shouted moistly at me from many flabby mounds of flesh sitting on a porch eating Doritos. Of course I don't prejudge anyone because of this, but I can see why someone would dislike fat people in general.
@thegillotine09 Every skinny fuck I talk to about this topic seems to think that "Plenty" means "all of them," so you understand where I'm coming from.
Of course you don't prejudge fat people for this. Why, all you're doing is prejudging fat people because of this. I appreciate the anecdotal evidence, no really I do, but let's get real here. You're using a few impersonal experiences as an excuse to corner off the whole lot. Maybe you're just a dick to us and fat people treat you accordingly.
I don't see how running by someone's house is "being a dick to you" unless you think that every healthy person you see is rubbing your weight in your face (I'm getting that impression from your comments).
Can you point out where i've prejudged a fat person? You've got a major persecution complex going. I think you'd be fun to psychoanalyze.
And if its true that fat people have certain personality faults? You're ignoring that attitudes of productivity, willingness, proactivity, self-respect and outgoingness virtually preclude one from being fat, except for rare cases of genetic predispostion.
Prejudice would involve judging people before you know them based on stereotypes. All I did was say something about my prior experiences, and I even said that I don't use those experiences to pre-judge people. If anything, you could say I'm "postjudiced", for judging people after I know them.
how is it discrimination if it costs more for the people to provide the services for overweight people? i of course think they should be able to get the services, but if it costs more for the companies to help them, the overweight should have to pay more. and then i ask this, where am i wrong?
I suddenly feel much better about my high metabolism, but worse about my wasted insurance costs (when I can afford it). Why can't doctors get insurance for lawsuits instead of push the cost onto the consumers?
In order to buy the insurance for lawsuits (malpractice insurance) the money has to come from somewhere. In effect, part of the cost is paid by the doctors, and part of it is paid by customers.
They could always, you know, lose weight. Obesity is something that can go away. 200 lbs is a little ridiculous, but still. Eat less exercise more, easy formula. Don't say it's impossible because millions have done it. Just read about their success story.
What if there's something seriously wrong with her? Lets say she's 250lbs. It would take her 7.5 months to lose 60lbs if she lost 2lbs a week (which is recommended). What if by that time she gets complications that could have been resolved if only she would have went to the OBGYN 7.5 months ago? What if a woman gets pregnant and hits 200lbs because of the pregnancy?
@TVP4 You are putting to much emphasis on the specific 200 lbs limit. Seeing as it's not a real limit but a commentary on this specific story. My statement still stands, stop making excuses for the obese. Also I never stated that they shouldn't be given help, I said they should lose the weight. Next time read the comment closer.
@onslaught147 In the video they said 200lbs is an actual weight limit for some of the OBGYN beds. Even though obesity is a big deal, I doubt there's an abundance of 400lb women. Your statement, "They could always, you know, lose weight" is saying that if they are above the weight limit patients should lose weight to accommodate crappy equipment as opposed to doctors getting better equipment. I'm not making excuses I'm pointing out real issues.
@TVP4 I made the comment that the 200lbs weight limit is ridiculous. I already addressed that and moved on. Also 400lbs women are in abundance. Once again you are misreading my comment. Denying people based off weight is wrong, but fat people should do something about it rather then just complain. No party is in the right. Now either make a useful comment that doesn't misread something I said, or just stop. I'm hoping you choose the latter.
@onslaught147 No fat person pays the entire costs of their added risk/cost to the health care system. The fact that you're triyng to claim some special accomodation for them is a pretty good example. Its absurd to claim these issues are anyone else's fault but those who engorge themselves to the point of a full-blown medical condition, whose costs are then borne by the healthy and responsible.
@thereinliestherib Did you not read the whole discussion that I had with the guy above? Way to jump in on a day old conversation that had absolutely nothing to do with you.
Ana is getting smarter. See what happens when a pretty woman is forced to use her brain? If she goes back to spaghetti strap tops she will be the double whammy.
Lawsuits are always the excuse because lawsuits are a huge concern when doctors practice medicine. Enact tort reform and you solve this problem. And not the fake tort reform that republicans want that would hurt legitimate lawsuits.
Also "you should be by law required to take care of people who come to you and need help.."-Ana
That seems close to what Rand Paul was saying some videos back, which you guys said was a moron for saying such. So which is it?
Ok Cenk, if you can show me that fat people do not take up more space on an airplane I'll agree that airlines shouldn't charge fat people more.
At this point you're ignoring the differences between people. If the equipment can't handle people over a certain weight, then the doctors can't treat them. Next thing you know people will be complaining about weight limits on elevators.
@thegillotine09 Ana & Cenk already mentioned that there was at least reasoning behind the airplanes charging more for fat people. There are just certain moral issues with this. If your parents were overweight and they were turned down care wouldn't you be angry? Where do we draw the line with obese discrimination?
@Sephy100 when doctors are blamed for their patients being fat
just read the highest comment it has everything wrong with the tyt position on this
and for the record, no i wouldnt be angry, i dont understand the whole oh its your family have more compassion
i have compassion for everyone, but if your a fat ass its your fault, i may still love you or be friends with you but dont come crying to me because your child is going to have problems or because you had a heart attack at 35
@Sephy100 "Where do we draw the line with obese discrimination"
When it doesn't have an effect on the activity in question.
There's a stigma against discrimination nowadays that goes beyond reason. It is perfectly rational to judge things by relevant criteria and obesity is apparently relevant in this case. Would you want a doctor to take into account a person's history of heart disease or allergies when prescribing medicine for them?
If a doctor is ill-equipped to provide services for obese people, then it is totally acceptable to refuse service for them. Would you demand that a mechanic not discriminate with vehicles, and be forced to service 18-wheelers even if he/she doesn't have the equipment required to do so?
They have the right to deny you, just cause you are fat doesn't mean it is EVERYONE elses fault. If you are too overweight for a bed than maybe, MAYBE you need to lose weight.
I hate fat people excuses, it isn't like they are saying "EW FAT VAGINAS", they see the most DISGUSTING things in the world, so no they had a reason, it is good, lose weight.
@UrbanZ0mbie There are many reasons why some people are obese. Age, genes, psychological issues,medication, medical problems, location( distance from houses to malls, etc..). You shouldn't turn anyone away if they are SEEKING MEDICAL HELP. They are willingly trying to keep their body somewhat decent and turning them down doesn't help anyone. It may be an excuse to you until you live it.
@bbg5000 But if they are not referring them to someone who can treat them then isn't that a problem as well. What's he point in being a doctor if you turn people away?
a 200 pound heavy pregnant woman is not -that- extremely big. Surely, obesity is a huge problem, but shouldn't equipment at least be strong enough to carry twice the weight of an averige size male?
@weejockpoopongmcplop Oh I see..so I guess that you're so involved in spelling errors that you don't want there to be a vaginal code for female criminals.
All tort reforms do is make it harder to get compensation when the doctors fuck up. In a country where the justice system is increasingly used to protect the status of the wealthy some people think that we should give them even more protection. That's wrong if a doctor fucks up I want the right to sue. It's the insurance companies that are making the premiums higher.
See, the thing here, is they DO get sued. Why? Because most obese americans are STUPID. Just look at the episode of family guy where peter sued for the prostate exam, I bet you that happens in real life. All the time. Doctors are choosing to not see obese people for the fact that they DO get lawsuits, and if you get lawsuits you usually have to settle, and when that happens, how are you supposed to pay rent, car payments, etc. Yet a lot of doctors can't because of this stupid shit.
Doctor gets sued by 2 fatties last year costing him $400000 and has 2 more cases outstanding - all for rediculously petty things that could never of happened to a non-obese person.
He's now paying $500000 in Liability insurance each year and earning nothing. He knows that statistically every morbidly obese person that enters his clinic results in him losing $15000 out of his pocket...
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I say suck it up americans - you made your overweight and sue-everyone culture, now deal with it.
if doctors would turn someone whos dare to my heart, simply because of their fear to brake equipment, guess what? - next patient will be my skinny ass really breaking it: jumping, sea water, egg white etc and guess whos going with pads to their toilets???
there is a WAR against people by the corn lobby etc against people, and stupid uneducated people lose. if you don't pay attention, you will become fat and useless and suck up resources and hated, and nobody will pity you.
i love how the both of them are acting as if overweight people can't change their bodies. Who wants to take care of someone who looks like a beached whale?
no one should be required to treat a disgustingly fat chick. for one thing, they often stink. even worse, many times the doctor cant find which fold leads to their kooch unless he rolls them in flour and looks for the wet spot.
Ah.... americans reaping the fruits of capitalism they cherish.
All the assholes who said food chains have nothing to do with the obesity shouldn't complain about this. Because you know your logic "your problem is your's... not mine"= If you want treatment don't be fat.
If food chains can make profits at the expense of people's health, why can't doctors?
Eh, whatever. Sounds like a lot of information is missing from the story and I don't expect a chubby Turk to be very objective about it.
In general though, other than the rare victims of a genetic disorder, obesity doesn't merit much sympathy with me.
There are far too many needless societal problems that could be resolved if people practiced enough self control to avoid obesity in the first place. It's not hard, stop eating.
@lowenklee A lot of times people are raised with bad habits. Some people have been overweight their entire life so it's not simply a matter of avoiding obesity in the first place. And it doesn't have to be a "rare genetic disorder" like a thyroid condition. Slow metabolism or sensitivity to the processed chemicals and preservatives that pervade our food (ex. HFCS, TBHQ, high amounts of sodium) can all cause water-retention, sodium retention, and increased fat cells. This was the original...
@lowenklee (Part 2)...purpose for creating HFCS in the laboratory, to fatten cows and pigs quicker and more cost effectively. Now it is put into our food. The government subsidizes the corn industry which is a huge reason why this is so widespread in our food, and it is also the reason that the unhealthiest (and often most fattening) foods are often the cheapest option. You can't just look at yourself and say "I've never been overweight so why are you?" This approach is overly simplistic.
I don't take the "I'm not overweight so..." approach although you do make a good point about childhood obesity. My comment was meant more towards those of us who remember when being obese was not the norm but actually quite uncommon.
We all have bad habits but I reject that eating to obesity is somehow an addiction on a national level. Bananas are cheap, so is lettuce, skinless chicken breast, and walking/running. There aren't any credible excuses for adults.
@lowenklee "It's not hard, stop eating" I reckon it would be extremely hard. Look how self conscious society has programmed women to be (hair, make up endless fashion items..) yet so many are still fat. This is the same cohort who pay $50 for cream, even fat ones. So its hard.
The problem really started when parents were too lazy to cook decent food and feed them probably, so the real cure is social services. I see so many fat ~3yr olds & I couldn't blame them in 20yrs for being fat.
"The problem really started when parents were too lazy to cook decent food and feed them probably"
Therein lies my lack of sympathy. It's certainly an excuse, just not a very good one. Social services isn't a solution, people have to be incentivized to be healthy, punitive measure should only support established positive trends.
I'm thinking any future public healthcare option could play an important role in offering incentives and support.
@lowenklee "Therein lies my lack of sympathy" you joking? I'm not surprised at your response, typical of the conventions wisdom "mob" tbh.
"people have to be incentivized" - Children have no control over what they eat. Once you grow fat cells you can't loose them and you gain weight with little resistance.
It's nothing to do with incentives, you would be hard to find a parent who is deliberately trying to make there child fat, it's a matter of education and "support"; via social services imo.
It's really a waste if you're not going to think before advocating a position. The educational material is out there along with the hard data...in abundance. It's no big secret what foods and lifestyle habits are healthy and which aren't. We're inundated with the facts.
People are clearly choosing to ignore those facts...because they lack an incentive to care in a society increasingly tolerant and supportive of those bad lifestyle choices. Incentivize the support is all I'm saying.
@lowenklee "The educational material is out there along with the hard data..." - People don't work like that. The hard data is out there concerning the validity of all region yet they are STILL churches and religious people everywhere in the digital information space age.
Almost all parents want a good life for there kids, so carrots already there. What I feel we need are sticks to guard against complacency physical help for fat children, this should come in the form of social services imo.
/sigh...leave science and religion out of it. It's a poor comparison and you only betray your shallow comprehension of the issue by inappropriately dragging it into this conversation.
"People don't work that way"...Yes they do, when they exercise responsible decision making. That our culture is trending towards a juvenile sense of entitlement doesn't invalidate that for many responsible American adults this is exactly how it works.
@lowenklee Rubbish, my written record is here so why try lie about what I wrote?
Dietary advice ***is science*** so no I won't leave it out. Many people don't respect it's authority they take the position that "owe I'm big boned' or any X,Y,Z garbage to explain why their obesity is ok and why their smoking won't lead to lung cancer which is parallel to why many believe in homeopathy, Psychics, Jesus or any other unproven nonsense. The exact same mental mechanics at work: Cognitive dissonance.
I'm not reading that mess. If you're going to bother replying, do so in a single response please...I'm not about to keep track of the rambling narrative you've spread over three different replies. This is exactly to my point about your convoluted and vague posting.
@lowenklee Here we go again. They don't lead into one another there was no 'Part 1 and part 2' one post causally referenced the sentiment of a prior but there were definitely not concurrent reads.
You made 2 remarks I left 3 remarks. 2 individual replies to one post and 1 individual reply to another. Simple.
You leave two posts but expect me to leave one? Are you trying to contradict yourself?
It's ok, I realise you're bankrupt now and this is your rearguard. So I'll leave you be.
"Mess" being the operative word. I don't mind the odd throwaway second post, but thats not an invitation to escalate the number of sidebar posts. You really do lack critical debating skills.
Bankruptcy? You haven't offered anything substantive to debate against. My contention has been from the start that the impetus needs to lie with the adult and that incentives need to exist to make responsible choices. You're completely irrational, good riddance.
@lowenklee So 2 posts to 3 is an unacceptable escalation? haha. If you can't be bothered to read dissenting views, as evidenced by you getting my lucid put point backwards and now your tantrum over 3 replies vs 2, then don't submit your crackers bullshit for public scrutiny.
@lowenklee Which if you follow my previous response brings me to why your ideas are frankly bullshit. You expect that most people cultivated in a society of junk food to stop once informed of the facts. You have more chance of someone rolling up a prayer mat and going home after informing them of the big bang.
People know it's bad, even otherwise protective parents who would die for their kids are STILL prepared to fatten them up. Like I said "People don't work that way" you've laid out.
@CmdrTobs "You expect that most people cultivated in a society of junk food to stop once informed of the facts." Assuming of course that there are no healthy people in such societies. So I suppose we are just genetic anomalies? The scope of your scapegoating argument blatantly fails to address not just the causes of poor health, but also good health (which is the implication of "bad health"). But then, no institution gets any money to study that; it doesn't fit the industry's bottom line.
@thereinliestherib Are you nuts? You have not addressing the causes of bad health. All you have to say is "they should eat less"... well shit on me I didn't know it was that easy. I am TELLING you the state of affairs and why it's happening yet all you can muster is to restate the state of affairs with extra addage that it's thier fault.... OFCOURSE it's there fault dumbass nobody says otherwise, but if you want to move forward you have to find out why and change the behavioral directives.
@CmdrTobs Your state of affairs is lies and BS. You're presupposing the ground of bad health as purely external--puhleaze, sir, explain to me why so many abide the same external conditions, but remain healthy. That way we can skip all the BS about how poor health is due to diet, economics, and whatever other scapegoat you can find--despite the fact that healthy diets are cheaper, more abundant, and more rewarding than the junk diets and sedentary lifestyles of 95% of Americans.
Ok guys,
first of all why is this channel called the "The Young Turk(s)" , I only see one young Turk.
Secondly, as Bones would say,"for Gods sake man, I am a doctor not crane lift operator"
KNOWZ
peace
SUPERKNOWZ 4 weeks ago
Cenk Uygur you are so right! say it man, keep going!! <3 <3 I support your revolution!!!
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I'm wondering if the doctors simply have tables that are only cleared for up to 200lbs. That might mean they'd have to buy larger tables... but it wouldn't be their fault directly that they cannot treat people who are above that weight. I mean: if you call a tow truck for your car, but it is too heavy to tow it's not the tow truck driver discriminating against you, he's simply unable to give you service effectively because he is unprepared for your size...
Mhyque 2 months ago
I can't believe anyone would ever oppose an airline charging a lardass for two seats. There are only two other alternatives. The first is that every other passenger has to pay slightly more for their own seats to cover the cost of a twofer for the lardass or an even more disturbing possibility: the poor suckers next to the lardass have to pay.
EminencePhront 3 months ago
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OB/gyn is female genocide it always has been ... wake up get back to leafy green fruity juice ... Jack La Lanne, exercise avoid dairy and sick dead animal cruelty on your soul ... go vegan ... poking in holes and charging you $ to doctor the records and sell your organs and get new wives every decade .. can't conceive ... why unity fee males and lay dies ... avoid clinics that push death up your ushkibushk and tell thrivers of violence and rape they have cancer when the lobbiest cost too much
TheAnnafisher 5 months ago
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TheAnnafisher 5 months ago
i agree with this,because i turn down fat chicks as well.
Stunt101Rider 5 months ago
We are talking about OB/GYN, OB dont treat sick ppl. they treat women with pregnancies. that is a bit different then being internist or Family and turning someone away.
dharmaatdawn 5 months ago
My father is a doctor, and he has told me several times that most doctors have at least one lawsuit filed against them. The U.S loves lawsuits, but that doesn't mean you can quit doing your job properly because you are worried about them.
Politicallyactive101 5 months ago
GOOOOD!!!! Males should be turned away if they're fat too!
lawless101aa07 6 months ago
What happened with the Hipocratic oath? Bunch of Hipocrites!
zeusbark 6 months ago
Well, do you want to stick your fingers in a fat girl? SLEIGHT OF HAND PRO!!
DJGHOSTRUNNER1 6 months ago
This is happening because of HMOs. A doctor gets x amount of dollars per patient, per month when they are in an HMO, whether they need care that month or not. They have learned that the high risk patients are the ones who take up the most time. Years ago when medicine meant caring for, And About, a patient, they did whatever was needed. Now its all business, patients are anonymous consumers of their time and effort. So many of them don't care...doctors belong to the corporation now.
8journey8 6 months ago
The guy is so upset because he is overweight .ooo man patetic
ocean3b 7 months ago
In a free society anyyone in business ought to be allowed to sell his services to whomever he wants,assuming that he can find a willing buyer-- whether the service is healthcare or sandwich making otherwise you are someone's slave. Besides if you want a doctor to take on greater risk we need to do something about our law suit happy society--otherwise healthcare professionals will make the necessary practical choices to guard their own lives. Period.
sleedolfine15 8 months ago
@sleedolfine15 In a free society everyone should have access to health care. It's not simply the obese being denied the right to be served by corporately owned docs, there are tons of conditions docs won't take. The at-risk who live in one place long enough get "fired" as patients from all offices, increasingly owned by fewer companies, leaving them with no medical care. BCBS has even expressed being baffled @ this, but said they can't "force businesses to take customers". It's SICK! Go Cenk!
LexeconKiddo 6 months ago
@LexeconKiddo Everyone does have access to healthcare as they do food and housing--which in my humble opinion,is more important than healthcare(I can go without a doctor,but not food). The question is how to provide this as well as other human wants. I believe in the free market and I blame our screwed up healthcare system as I do our screwed up education system on excessive government interference in these 2 areas. Let's bring the efficiency of the cell phone industry to healthcare.
sleedolfine15 6 months ago
@sleedolfine15 Wrong. Sorry, but you're not correct. What access is there to health care when docs refuse certain patients en masse & no regulatory body exists to force them to change their policies? Most people who believe in the free market w/o any regulations end up angry about certain facets of monopolization, such as today's news re: AT&T & TMobile & their planned merger, since you mention cell phone service. Great efficiency, until they all merge into one. Please.
LexeconKiddo 6 months ago
@sleedolfine15 As for the docs & my comment, it's not something I much mention online, until I saw this & realized that docs are in fact doing this to more & more. What I said I said from personal experience, though not for the same exact reason in this vid, as I'm not obese nor was my weight a factor. Too many patients are denied care by the offices employing the docs. I'm one, & have one of the best private insurance plans available. I'm not alone. Please understand the injustice of this!
LexeconKiddo 6 months ago
Americans have the most fuck-up healthcare of any developed country.
xxxBakeneckoxxx 8 months ago 17
I can't believe that people are actually defending this- you're all just disgusting. This coming from a 128 lb, 5'6 female.
GGshineondarkesthour 8 months ago
I can see it if the Woman is like 600lbs but 200 isn't really overweigh. especially if she has large breasts that's like 10lbs of more there.....!
METALMAN4Wii 8 months ago 16
@METALMAN4Wii Pix or it didn't happen!
89caballero 7 months ago
@89caballero I'm just saying if the tables weight is 250 and the lady weighs 600lbs it's going to break. it's just my glass coffee table im not stupid enough to but my 50lb TV on it's common sense some people lack it.....?
METALMAN4Wii 7 months ago
@METALMAN4Wii Then I guess you wouldn't mind dating a fat 200 pound cow trying to pass as a woman.
hippiechickie18 1 month ago
Of course as a doctor you can't do that but people shoudn't sue doctors all the time too. They tried to help you stop suing them
hannaubitch 8 months ago
Maybe its their way of saying go to the fricken gym once in a while if you are so concerned about your health.
kesayo 8 months ago
It's not fair especially when some people can't help their weight.
MissEmilyS1 9 months ago
@MissEmilyS1 bs
geekforlifevandc 9 months ago
@geekforlifevandc Whatever. You obviously don't know what you are talking about.
MissEmilyS1 9 months ago
@MissEmilyS1 "Some people" = less than 5%- of the overall population. Just to clarify, since 75% of the US is obese/overweight.
thereinliestherib 8 months ago 2
My doctor called me obese and I'm 5'6 and weigh 145 >_>
Ranzalove 9 months ago
@Ranzalove I'm 6.4 and 180 and im considered overweigh by 5lbs messed up isn't it....?
METALMAN4Wii 8 months ago
@METALMAN4Wii What the heck!!?...*sigh* that is so jacked up. I will never understand the world we live in ugh -.-
Ranzalove 8 months ago
@Ranzalove Oh it gets worse my friend say if I were to try to get health insurance thru my employer. I would most likely have to pay more being 5lbs overweigh welcome to America.....!
METALMAN4Wii 8 months ago
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If there's a revolution against the skinnies at TYT, guess your gonna have to kill all the beautiful ladies. :( And ben
ontherightedge 9 months ago
If there's a revolution against the skinnies at TYT, guess your gonna have to kill all the beautiful ladies. :(
ontherightedge 9 months ago
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA fat people
Amaxander 9 months ago
It's not the doctors fault, they get sued for outrageous things and it's not fair. I'm not saying that people should be discriminated against but it's not fair that they can be sued for things that aren't their fault.
Rufusmywesti 9 months ago
"I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant:
[...]
I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.
I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure."
-Excerpts from the Hippocratic oath
MyTemporaryAccount88 9 months ago
My question is: So what if you are one pound overweight...will you be turned away? I myself am considered ten pounds overweight, so does that mean I will be denied service? Also, what is this bullshit of pregnant women being called overweight and being turned away? They Have A Baby Growing Inside Them, Of Course They Will Gain Weight! Why Do You Think They Are Visiting A Doctor In The First Place? TO FREAKING RECEIVE PRENATAL CARE FOR THE BABY GROWING INSIDE THEM! SCREW THESE DOCTORS!
DarkCrescendo 9 months ago
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@DarkCrescendo "My question is: So what if you are one pound overweight...will you be turned away?"
You oughtta be, because the fat and addicted have driven up pool risk, and thus costs, to unaffordable extremes, which now drives otherwise healthy and responsible people out of the coverage they actually need. Diffusion of responsibility--what a wonderful POS fault in human society...
thereinliestherib 9 months ago
Not to mention that putting a 400 pound lardass into a medical device that only supports 200 pounds can not only destroy the device but also severely injure the fat fuck.
Solidus1086 9 months ago
The point is that fat people take up more space and require more sturdy equipment and are less healthy and most fat people are fat because they are lazy.
The problem is that every minority wants to make everyone else adapt to their needs instead of adapting to the world themselves.
If your doctor only has equipment with a certain weight limit you need to go and find a doctor or hospital with more sturdy equipment instead of ordering your doctor to get new equipment.
And i say this as a fat guy.
Solidus1086 9 months ago
@Solidus1086 Sorry, but you have a real skinny-skewed understanding of people who are fat. If you're fat because you're lazy, then that's you, but I'm not and I know few fat people who I could actually call "lazy."
So why don't you just keep your assumptions and generalizations aimed at yourself?
Dipstikk 9 months ago
Ana, as always comes out with another insanity: get government involved into this, quick!
How about NO? Why should anybody be FORCED to do something they don't want to by government? Rand Paul got this right: fucking gov't gets into anything, turns people into indentured servants or slaves, however you wish to call this.
Here is an advice: get gov't money OUT OF MEDICAL FIELD AND INSURANCE, so that there will be more competition and even the fatties will get their appointment with an OBGYN.
romanmir01 9 months ago
take a lesson from the legendary tony tony chopper, doctors of the world.
shiv604 9 months ago
How much do you guys want to bet that if Cenk was skinny he'd be like " Ohh ComeOnComeOnComeOnComeOnComeComeOn, i mean I gotta keep real but dude , your breaking the machines man and costing the gyms money now that's reasonable and fair, I'm not hating on fat people but I'm keeping it real you know, look man, I'm sorry man but, your costing them money, so the question is can they kick you out if they're a privately-owned business and are not making a profit, OF COOOUUUUUUUURSE!"
axv375 9 months ago
It's also racist considering that most pregnant black woman are over 200lbs
Veredika 9 months ago
@Veredika
Where did that stat come from?
TVP4 9 months ago
you mean they are so heavy it might crush those doctors' heads?
excalipoor 9 months ago
SLAVERY!!!
Leadman1989 9 months ago
This is the free market Cenk if you're more of a risk, take up more space then you have to pay for that.
As far as the Ob-gyn thing... no fat chicks. (bad joke srry)
Leadman1989 9 months ago
I want to be anas obgyn
thenicholashuber 9 months ago
Is freaking annoying that the adds volume is higher than the news... I have to keep lowering the volume at the beginning and the end and uping the volume on the ,middle of every video... can we have the same volume for all the video?
Beatelectrico 9 months ago 19
@Beatelectrico Wow I thought I was the only one! Especially when it's late at night and you're trying not to wake everyone lol
sushimitten 9 months ago
Who is fuckin these fat chicks and knockin them up?
jpowers55 9 months ago
@jpowers55 It's one guy.
nerzule 9 months ago
Don't blame the doctors, blame the lawsuits.
Himhippo 9 months ago 7
@Himhippo dont blame the lawsuits blame the fatties
ortmaster 9 months ago
@Himhippo Lol sooooo true!!!
Noraa666 9 months ago
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Noraa666 9 months ago
Maybe these people get treated different because they are. Women pay less for car insurance. I bet the last place I see Anna lobbying for is against that cause. Things are different for everybody because we are all different. As long as you respect those differences who cares. It's reality. Reality doesn't have to be P.C. sorry it's true. Fat people should pay more for seats on a plane, short people not allowed on rollercoasters, smokers pay more for health insurance etc.
Noraa666 9 months ago
@Himhippo Bullshit. There's no lawsuits from fat people vs OB-GYNS
electronicoffee 9 months ago
This is like me, as a teacher, saying I refuse to teach "stupid" people.
ArtemisMS 9 months ago 3
@ArtemisMS that would be like a normal teacher being expected to teach mentally handicap students (=fat patients) in a normal class room without the same experience, and anyway you shake it a 200 pound woman is FAT, of coursssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
ortmaster 9 months ago
@ArtemisMS No it isn't. Education is a treatment for stupidity, prenatal care is not a treatment for being a fat-ass. If a dietician had a weight limit, that would be a fair comparison.
Wolfau5 9 months ago
Thats what my wife does, voice of experience!
patrickbateman1960 9 months ago
Ahhh Dipstick, you crack me up.
patrickbateman1960 9 months ago
@patrickbateman1960 Well, good. Laughter is the best medicine.
Since you won't bother getting therapy for your sociopathy.
Dipstikk 9 months ago
Doctors aren't doing this because they're assholes, they're doing this because insurance companies are assholes.
LuvStruckMess 9 months ago
You all think it's because of liability and damaged equipment? I bet it's because these doctors don't like looking at fat chicks. If you're a hot thin girl, you should avoid ob-gyns with weight restrictions because they're in it for sexual thrills (and money).
OgreMECH 9 months ago
I'm sorry. I tend to not have patience for fat people.
omsrswt 9 months ago
@omsrswt tell me your joking. that has got to be the most stupid comment i have ever read.
CedricPeace 9 months ago
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Dipstikk 9 months ago
@omsrswt Pardon me for laughing at the ironically obese ego it must take for someone to "not have patience for" a body type.
Dipstikk 9 months ago
@Dipstikk
Actually in my experience obese people tend to have certain personality characteristics that I can find frustrating and pitiful.
thegillotine09 9 months ago
@thegillotine09 The only thing "frustrating and pitiful" is your obvious lack of experience in meeting or being friends with fat people.
Maybe you should try to look out for the ones who don't perfectly match your stereotypical view of fat people.
Dipstikk 9 months ago
@Dipstikk
Please note the "tend to" and "in my experience". While there are many fat people aren't gluttonous slobs, I've seen and met PLENTY who are. Also common is a general lack of self-respect. And as a runner, I've heard the phrase "RUN FORREST RUN!!!111" shouted moistly at me from many flabby mounds of flesh sitting on a porch eating Doritos. Of course I don't prejudge anyone because of this, but I can see why someone would dislike fat people in general.
thegillotine09 9 months ago
@thegillotine09 Every skinny fuck I talk to about this topic seems to think that "Plenty" means "all of them," so you understand where I'm coming from.
Of course you don't prejudge fat people for this. Why, all you're doing is prejudging fat people because of this. I appreciate the anecdotal evidence, no really I do, but let's get real here. You're using a few impersonal experiences as an excuse to corner off the whole lot. Maybe you're just a dick to us and fat people treat you accordingly.
Dipstikk 9 months ago
@Dipstikk
I don't see how running by someone's house is "being a dick to you" unless you think that every healthy person you see is rubbing your weight in your face (I'm getting that impression from your comments).
Can you point out where i've prejudged a fat person? You've got a major persecution complex going. I think you'd be fun to psychoanalyze.
thegillotine09 9 months ago
@thegillotine09 Sure can.
"Actually in my experience obese people tend to have certain personality characteristics that I can find frustrating and pitiful."
That's not prejudiced? What slick wordplay would you use to make that not seem prejudiced, then?
Dipstikk 9 months ago
@Dipstikk "That's not prejudiced?"
And if its true that fat people have certain personality faults? You're ignoring that attitudes of productivity, willingness, proactivity, self-respect and outgoingness virtually preclude one from being fat, except for rare cases of genetic predispostion.
thereinliestherib 9 months ago
@Dipstikk
Prejudice would involve judging people before you know them based on stereotypes. All I did was say something about my prior experiences, and I even said that I don't use those experiences to pre-judge people. If anything, you could say I'm "postjudiced", for judging people after I know them.
thegillotine09 9 months ago
anna is one sexy reporter
dflex05 9 months ago
Once again...It's freaking profit motive as in it's fucking CAPITALISM!
nietzscheprime 9 months ago
Drs. are just tired of looking at fat chicks with stinky snatches!
deeplynluv 9 months ago
how is it discrimination if it costs more for the people to provide the services for overweight people? i of course think they should be able to get the services, but if it costs more for the companies to help them, the overweight should have to pay more. and then i ask this, where am i wrong?
elph98 9 months ago
I heart Cenk.
mchchicago78 9 months ago
I suddenly feel much better about my high metabolism, but worse about my wasted insurance costs (when I can afford it). Why can't doctors get insurance for lawsuits instead of push the cost onto the consumers?
OtakuRebel 9 months ago
@OtakuRebel
In order to buy the insurance for lawsuits (malpractice insurance) the money has to come from somewhere. In effect, part of the cost is paid by the doctors, and part of it is paid by customers.
thegillotine09 9 months ago
They could always, you know, lose weight. Obesity is something that can go away. 200 lbs is a little ridiculous, but still. Eat less exercise more, easy formula. Don't say it's impossible because millions have done it. Just read about their success story.
onslaught147 9 months ago
@onslaught147
What if there's something seriously wrong with her? Lets say she's 250lbs. It would take her 7.5 months to lose 60lbs if she lost 2lbs a week (which is recommended). What if by that time she gets complications that could have been resolved if only she would have went to the OBGYN 7.5 months ago? What if a woman gets pregnant and hits 200lbs because of the pregnancy?
TVP4 9 months ago
@TVP4 You are putting to much emphasis on the specific 200 lbs limit. Seeing as it's not a real limit but a commentary on this specific story. My statement still stands, stop making excuses for the obese. Also I never stated that they shouldn't be given help, I said they should lose the weight. Next time read the comment closer.
onslaught147 9 months ago
@onslaught147 In the video they said 200lbs is an actual weight limit for some of the OBGYN beds. Even though obesity is a big deal, I doubt there's an abundance of 400lb women. Your statement, "They could always, you know, lose weight" is saying that if they are above the weight limit patients should lose weight to accommodate crappy equipment as opposed to doctors getting better equipment. I'm not making excuses I'm pointing out real issues.
TVP4 9 months ago
@TVP4 I made the comment that the 200lbs weight limit is ridiculous. I already addressed that and moved on. Also 400lbs women are in abundance. Once again you are misreading my comment. Denying people based off weight is wrong, but fat people should do something about it rather then just complain. No party is in the right. Now either make a useful comment that doesn't misread something I said, or just stop. I'm hoping you choose the latter.
onslaught147 9 months ago
@onslaught147 No fat person pays the entire costs of their added risk/cost to the health care system. The fact that you're triyng to claim some special accomodation for them is a pretty good example. Its absurd to claim these issues are anyone else's fault but those who engorge themselves to the point of a full-blown medical condition, whose costs are then borne by the healthy and responsible.
thereinliestherib 9 months ago
@thereinliestherib Did you not read the whole discussion that I had with the guy above? Way to jump in on a day old conversation that had absolutely nothing to do with you.
onslaught147 9 months ago
@onslaught147 I see fat people.
thereinliestherib 9 months ago
Ana is getting smarter. See what happens when a pretty woman is forced to use her brain? If she goes back to spaghetti strap tops she will be the double whammy.
dirtyweasel 9 months ago
Health Care should be a human right not subject to the whims of the market and crass profiteering.
WilhelmDrake 9 months ago
Lawsuits are always the excuse because lawsuits are a huge concern when doctors practice medicine. Enact tort reform and you solve this problem. And not the fake tort reform that republicans want that would hurt legitimate lawsuits.
Also "you should be by law required to take care of people who come to you and need help.."-Ana
That seems close to what Rand Paul was saying some videos back, which you guys said was a moron for saying such. So which is it?
spartan5127v2 9 months ago
@spartan5127v2 A better wording of the law would be for Doctors to be unable to turn away patients who need care.
StevenBee2 9 months ago
Since when did entitlement become a "pre-existing condition"? Pay for your own damn risk level, leeches!
thereinliestherib 9 months ago
fat people should be charged more for health insurance, they clearly are a bigger burden on the system. but doctors shouldn't discriminate
dreicemoney 9 months ago
Remember Dr. Kelso from 'Scrubs'? Google him some time.
ZanderJSketch 9 months ago
Get rid of your moron judges who give every moron millions of dollars, even if it's nobodies, or even the morons fault.
I most countries the judges would laugh at your court cases, and send you home with a lollypop
ConstantinIV 9 months ago
WHAT YOUR SICK GET OUT DAM IT I'M A DOCTOR NOT A HEALER
ttrop 9 months ago
@ttrop
he he he he^^
ConstantinIV 9 months ago
Maybe if healthcare wasn't private, you wouldn't have this problem.
So much hate in your hearts.
LiBlub1 9 months ago 2
Ok Cenk, if you can show me that fat people do not take up more space on an airplane I'll agree that airlines shouldn't charge fat people more.
At this point you're ignoring the differences between people. If the equipment can't handle people over a certain weight, then the doctors can't treat them. Next thing you know people will be complaining about weight limits on elevators.
thegillotine09 9 months ago
@thegillotine09 Ana & Cenk already mentioned that there was at least reasoning behind the airplanes charging more for fat people. There are just certain moral issues with this. If your parents were overweight and they were turned down care wouldn't you be angry? Where do we draw the line with obese discrimination?
Sephy100 9 months ago
@Sephy100 when doctors are blamed for their patients being fat
just read the highest comment it has everything wrong with the tyt position on this
and for the record, no i wouldnt be angry, i dont understand the whole oh its your family have more compassion
i have compassion for everyone, but if your a fat ass its your fault, i may still love you or be friends with you but dont come crying to me because your child is going to have problems or because you had a heart attack at 35
Xaklyth 9 months ago
@Sephy100 "Where do we draw the line with obese discrimination"
When it doesn't have an effect on the activity in question.
There's a stigma against discrimination nowadays that goes beyond reason. It is perfectly rational to judge things by relevant criteria and obesity is apparently relevant in this case. Would you want a doctor to take into account a person's history of heart disease or allergies when prescribing medicine for them?
thegillotine09 9 months ago
@Sephy100
If a doctor is ill-equipped to provide services for obese people, then it is totally acceptable to refuse service for them. Would you demand that a mechanic not discriminate with vehicles, and be forced to service 18-wheelers even if he/she doesn't have the equipment required to do so?
thegillotine09 9 months ago
Primum non nocere?
Monolith21000 9 months ago
They real reason that they're doing this is because fat women have smelly coochies.
TheGreatDizzle09 9 months ago 19
i join the rebel headquarters starting today.
ak47ava 9 months ago
Or just lose weight.
edgeninja 9 months ago
They have the right to deny you, just cause you are fat doesn't mean it is EVERYONE elses fault. If you are too overweight for a bed than maybe, MAYBE you need to lose weight.
I hate fat people excuses, it isn't like they are saying "EW FAT VAGINAS", they see the most DISGUSTING things in the world, so no they had a reason, it is good, lose weight.
UrbanZ0mbie 9 months ago
@UrbanZ0mbie There are many reasons why some people are obese. Age, genes, psychological issues,medication, medical problems, location( distance from houses to malls, etc..). You shouldn't turn anyone away if they are SEEKING MEDICAL HELP. They are willingly trying to keep their body somewhat decent and turning them down doesn't help anyone. It may be an excuse to you until you live it.
Sephy100 9 months ago
@Sephy100 The distance from your house to a mall plays a role in obesity?
Doctors have an obligation to turn patients away that they cannot treat, and refer them to someone who can.
bbg5000 9 months ago
@bbg5000 But if they are not referring them to someone who can treat them then isn't that a problem as well. What's he point in being a doctor if you turn people away?
Sephy100 9 months ago
The role of a doctor is to care for people. The fact they are not in this case is just crazy they are forgetting the whole point.
JediMasterFisher 9 months ago
a 200 pound heavy pregnant woman is not -that- extremely big. Surely, obesity is a huge problem, but shouldn't equipment at least be strong enough to carry twice the weight of an averige size male?
Rosalila 9 months ago 6
@weejockpoopongmcplop Oh I see..so I guess that you're so involved in spelling errors that you don't want there to be a vaginal code for female criminals.
zenguin13 9 months ago
@zenguin13 You're welcome.
weejockpoopongmcplop 9 months ago
All tort reforms do is make it harder to get compensation when the doctors fuck up. In a country where the justice system is increasingly used to protect the status of the wealthy some people think that we should give them even more protection. That's wrong if a doctor fucks up I want the right to sue. It's the insurance companies that are making the premiums higher.
crackmonster99 9 months ago
See, the thing here, is they DO get sued. Why? Because most obese americans are STUPID. Just look at the episode of family guy where peter sued for the prostate exam, I bet you that happens in real life. All the time. Doctors are choosing to not see obese people for the fact that they DO get lawsuits, and if you get lawsuits you usually have to settle, and when that happens, how are you supposed to pay rent, car payments, etc. Yet a lot of doctors can't because of this stupid shit.
DaMirrorLink 9 months ago
Being overweight is worse then being a crack smoking drug dealing child rapist that's what i at least think
naveslaikss 9 months ago
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Aren't ALL pregnant women fat?
cagedtigersteve 9 months ago
Doctor gets sued by 2 fatties last year costing him $400000 and has 2 more cases outstanding - all for rediculously petty things that could never of happened to a non-obese person.
He's now paying $500000 in Liability insurance each year and earning nothing. He knows that statistically every morbidly obese person that enters his clinic results in him losing $15000 out of his pocket...
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I say suck it up americans - you made your overweight and sue-everyone culture, now deal with it.
neverfearchrisishere 9 months ago
I would say the doctors took a Hippocratic oath.
And if I may be slightly rude, nowhere in it is the phrase "except for fatties."
(of course, some may choose to ignore this opinion on the dint of me being Canadian and luckily having public health care.)
KyliaSkydancer 9 months ago 4
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quuiver 9 months ago
Fight Malnutrition, not terrorism!
drugaddict1235 9 months ago
if doctors would turn someone whos dare to my heart, simply because of their fear to brake equipment, guess what? - next patient will be my skinny ass really breaking it: jumping, sea water, egg white etc and guess whos going with pads to their toilets???
PR0H0LDEM 9 months ago
Most doctors do it for the money, not to help people.
supertito123 9 months ago
I see a problem with the sue happy nature of amercians not doctors.
Healthcare free + Less Law Suits = Fat People Being Accepted.
lilzeus7 9 months ago
there is a WAR against people by the corn lobby etc against people, and stupid uneducated people lose. if you don't pay attention, you will become fat and useless and suck up resources and hated, and nobody will pity you.
norbu2006 9 months ago
fat women have babies without even knowing they're pregnant, because they're so fat. God have mercy on those babies of these grotesque women.
norbu2006 9 months ago
i love how the both of them are acting as if overweight people can't change their bodies. Who wants to take care of someone who looks like a beached whale?
oakaveli 9 months ago
no one should be required to treat a disgustingly fat chick. for one thing, they often stink. even worse, many times the doctor cant find which fold leads to their kooch unless he rolls them in flour and looks for the wet spot.
bushhater99 9 months ago
@bushhater99 LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!
oakaveli 9 months ago
Ah.... americans reaping the fruits of capitalism they cherish.
All the assholes who said food chains have nothing to do with the obesity shouldn't complain about this. Because you know your logic "your problem is your's... not mine"= If you want treatment don't be fat.
If food chains can make profits at the expense of people's health, why can't doctors?
lasku0007 9 months ago
Florida is a whole different fucking planet, isn't it?
StevenBee2 9 months ago 14
Eh, whatever. Sounds like a lot of information is missing from the story and I don't expect a chubby Turk to be very objective about it.
In general though, other than the rare victims of a genetic disorder, obesity doesn't merit much sympathy with me.
There are far too many needless societal problems that could be resolved if people practiced enough self control to avoid obesity in the first place. It's not hard, stop eating.
lowenklee 9 months ago
@lowenklee A lot of times people are raised with bad habits. Some people have been overweight their entire life so it's not simply a matter of avoiding obesity in the first place. And it doesn't have to be a "rare genetic disorder" like a thyroid condition. Slow metabolism or sensitivity to the processed chemicals and preservatives that pervade our food (ex. HFCS, TBHQ, high amounts of sodium) can all cause water-retention, sodium retention, and increased fat cells. This was the original...
watermelonygoodness 9 months ago
@lowenklee (Part 2)...purpose for creating HFCS in the laboratory, to fatten cows and pigs quicker and more cost effectively. Now it is put into our food. The government subsidizes the corn industry which is a huge reason why this is so widespread in our food, and it is also the reason that the unhealthiest (and often most fattening) foods are often the cheapest option. You can't just look at yourself and say "I've never been overweight so why are you?" This approach is overly simplistic.
watermelonygoodness 9 months ago
@watermelonygoodness
I don't take the "I'm not overweight so..." approach although you do make a good point about childhood obesity. My comment was meant more towards those of us who remember when being obese was not the norm but actually quite uncommon.
We all have bad habits but I reject that eating to obesity is somehow an addiction on a national level. Bananas are cheap, so is lettuce, skinless chicken breast, and walking/running. There aren't any credible excuses for adults.
lowenklee 9 months ago
@lowenklee "It's not hard, stop eating" I reckon it would be extremely hard. Look how self conscious society has programmed women to be (hair, make up endless fashion items..) yet so many are still fat. This is the same cohort who pay $50 for cream, even fat ones. So its hard.
The problem really started when parents were too lazy to cook decent food and feed them probably, so the real cure is social services. I see so many fat ~3yr olds & I couldn't blame them in 20yrs for being fat.
CmdrTobs 9 months ago
@CmdrTobs
"The problem really started when parents were too lazy to cook decent food and feed them probably"
Therein lies my lack of sympathy. It's certainly an excuse, just not a very good one. Social services isn't a solution, people have to be incentivized to be healthy, punitive measure should only support established positive trends.
I'm thinking any future public healthcare option could play an important role in offering incentives and support.
lowenklee 9 months ago
@lowenklee "Therein lies my lack of sympathy" you joking? I'm not surprised at your response, typical of the conventions wisdom "mob" tbh.
"people have to be incentivized" - Children have no control over what they eat. Once you grow fat cells you can't loose them and you gain weight with little resistance.
It's nothing to do with incentives, you would be hard to find a parent who is deliberately trying to make there child fat, it's a matter of education and "support"; via social services imo.
CmdrTobs 9 months ago
@CmdrTobs
It's really a waste if you're not going to think before advocating a position. The educational material is out there along with the hard data...in abundance. It's no big secret what foods and lifestyle habits are healthy and which aren't. We're inundated with the facts.
People are clearly choosing to ignore those facts...because they lack an incentive to care in a society increasingly tolerant and supportive of those bad lifestyle choices. Incentivize the support is all I'm saying.
lowenklee 9 months ago
@lowenklee "The educational material is out there along with the hard data..." - People don't work like that. The hard data is out there concerning the validity of all region yet they are STILL churches and religious people everywhere in the digital information space age.
Almost all parents want a good life for there kids, so carrots already there. What I feel we need are sticks to guard against complacency physical help for fat children, this should come in the form of social services imo.
CmdrTobs 9 months ago
@CmdrTobs
/sigh...leave science and religion out of it. It's a poor comparison and you only betray your shallow comprehension of the issue by inappropriately dragging it into this conversation.
"People don't work that way"...Yes they do, when they exercise responsible decision making. That our culture is trending towards a juvenile sense of entitlement doesn't invalidate that for many responsible American adults this is exactly how it works.
lowenklee 9 months ago
@lowenklee Rubbish, my written record is here so why try lie about what I wrote?
Dietary advice ***is science*** so no I won't leave it out. Many people don't respect it's authority they take the position that "owe I'm big boned' or any X,Y,Z garbage to explain why their obesity is ok and why their smoking won't lead to lung cancer which is parallel to why many believe in homeopathy, Psychics, Jesus or any other unproven nonsense. The exact same mental mechanics at work: Cognitive dissonance.
CmdrTobs 9 months ago
@CmdrTobs
I'm not reading that mess. If you're going to bother replying, do so in a single response please...I'm not about to keep track of the rambling narrative you've spread over three different replies. This is exactly to my point about your convoluted and vague posting.
Condense it to ONE reply or don't bother at all.
lowenklee 9 months ago
@lowenklee Here we go again. They don't lead into one another there was no 'Part 1 and part 2' one post causally referenced the sentiment of a prior but there were definitely not concurrent reads.
You made 2 remarks I left 3 remarks. 2 individual replies to one post and 1 individual reply to another. Simple.
You leave two posts but expect me to leave one? Are you trying to contradict yourself?
It's ok, I realise you're bankrupt now and this is your rearguard. So I'll leave you be.
CmdrTobs 9 months ago
@CmdrTobs
"I'm not reading that mess"
"Mess" being the operative word. I don't mind the odd throwaway second post, but thats not an invitation to escalate the number of sidebar posts. You really do lack critical debating skills.
Bankruptcy? You haven't offered anything substantive to debate against. My contention has been from the start that the impetus needs to lie with the adult and that incentives need to exist to make responsible choices. You're completely irrational, good riddance.
lowenklee 9 months ago
@lowenklee So 2 posts to 3 is an unacceptable escalation? haha. If you can't be bothered to read dissenting views, as evidenced by you getting my lucid put point backwards and now your tantrum over 3 replies vs 2, then don't submit your crackers bullshit for public scrutiny.
Conversation terminated mate.
CmdrTobs 9 months ago
@CmdrTobs
And I repeat..."good riddance" confused twit.
lowenklee 9 months ago
@lowenklee Which if you follow my previous response brings me to why your ideas are frankly bullshit. You expect that most people cultivated in a society of junk food to stop once informed of the facts. You have more chance of someone rolling up a prayer mat and going home after informing them of the big bang.
People know it's bad, even otherwise protective parents who would die for their kids are STILL prepared to fatten them up. Like I said "People don't work that way" you've laid out.
CmdrTobs 9 months ago
@CmdrTobs "You expect that most people cultivated in a society of junk food to stop once informed of the facts." Assuming of course that there are no healthy people in such societies. So I suppose we are just genetic anomalies? The scope of your scapegoating argument blatantly fails to address not just the causes of poor health, but also good health (which is the implication of "bad health"). But then, no institution gets any money to study that; it doesn't fit the industry's bottom line.
thereinliestherib 9 months ago
@thereinliestherib Are you nuts? You have not addressing the causes of bad health. All you have to say is "they should eat less"... well shit on me I didn't know it was that easy. I am TELLING you the state of affairs and why it's happening yet all you can muster is to restate the state of affairs with extra addage that it's thier fault.... OFCOURSE it's there fault dumbass nobody says otherwise, but if you want to move forward you have to find out why and change the behavioral directives.
CmdrTobs 8 months ago
@CmdrTobs Your state of affairs is lies and BS. You're presupposing the ground of bad health as purely external--puhleaze, sir, explain to me why so many abide the same external conditions, but remain healthy. That way we can skip all the BS about how poor health is due to diet, economics, and whatever other scapegoat you can find--despite the fact that healthy diets are cheaper, more abundant, and more rewarding than the junk diets and sedentary lifestyles of 95% of Americans.
thereinliestherib 8 months ago
@thereinliestherib "about how poor health is due to diet" - your wickermanning... again. You answering one of your wickerman and nothing anyone said.
You have to read what is said, not just imagine what was said and devise a response.
CmdrTobs 8 months ago