Student Rally for Single-Payer Health Care in Vermont

[cjms08]

watch the doctors will threaten to go on strike or move to other states if the bill passes and some people will get scared because they don't know all the facts about single payer and if someone dies they will blame bernie sanders because thats what happened to tommy douglas.

the doctors will say something we could have saved the life of this person if vermont had not changed the law

[TonikHealthInsurance]

nice information...! thanks for upload this video...!

[Neosaigo]

"Everybody in, nobody out"

It is not a very good thing for a doctor to say.. because they work in a hospital. XD

[jadedlake]

Those who criticize the single payer/universal HC have a vested interest in the status quo. They are Drs. and CEO along with insurance company executives who have overcharged patients forever. Drs. are scared because the high six and seven figure salaries plus determining delivery of services according to profit will end.

[pdbosp]

Either these kids are rich or plain stupid when it comes to economics. More than 45,000 will die annually when the government tells you what you can or can't have regarding your care. Do they think that they will be the ones making the decision? Do they think that everyone will get everything they want, or even need? I'm from the government and I'm here to help? Good luck Vermont, you're going to need it!

[NowThePeople]

@pdbosp People die everyday and are refused healthcare every single day with the insurance they have now. Such as the case of CIGNA who denied Natalie Sarkisyan a transplant and she died. Or the hundreds of other patients I see a year who are denied coverage by their ins companies. The state of MASS already has a Massachusetts health care insurance reform law since 2006.

[NowThePeople]

@pdbosp Also I don't mean to start a "war of words", just having a conversation is all my friend:)

[ozonetom]

This will show that it can work and saves money. It's the camel's nose under the edge of the tent to the for-profit medical industry that is bankrupting so many and providing poorer results than most of the industrialized world.

Thank-you Vermont!

[thereinliestherib]

@ozonetom Actually, the increased socialization of HC costs has only increased industrial profits, because increased socialization gives them greater and greater regulatory leverage to buy mandates, buying restrictions, and other regulations that increase costs for the healthy and responsible. The Obamacare mandate is a case-in-point, because it radically entrenches corporate revenue under the guises of a socially progressive program.  Its total BS.

[booley]

@thereinliestherib and this part is just dumb. Not only because the industry has fought the very regulations you claim they want but in that it's been the industry that has decided costs rises.

Not to mention, as many have mentioned, actual socialized systems cost less. Much less and get better results over all.

[thereinliestherib]

@booley HA! Via PPACA the industry stands to greatly benefit from increased cost socialization and forced customers via the mandate. It's in line with the historical model of industrial regulation, whereby industry's acquire legal control over their own regulations, and use that to monopolize consumers rather than protect them. You honestly don't smell the rot of corruption in a bill which requires everyone to buy a heavily monopolized product, just cuz its sold as "progressive"? WOW.

[AuctionClips]

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[SupportWeThePeopleKB]

In Massachusetts $6 BILLION could be saved a year by going to a single payer system. Our Medicare for All Massachusetts — The Massachusetts Health Care Trust bill is H338. If we have to establish fairness in health care one state at a time, so be it.

Single Payer — Medicare for All!

[thereinliestherib]

@SupportWeThePeopleKB BS. This is like watching trial lawyers protesting for more liability, and thus more lawsuits for themselves. Single payer coverage does absolutely nothing to address the core cost problem of worsening American health statistics. Socialized care in America would only leav the public liable for even MORE of other people's stupid, irresponsible health choices. Socialize responsibility--not HC clerks and the obese, addicted baby boomers from whom they profit.

[SupportWeThePeopleKB]

Hooray for healthcare professionals speaking out for their patients. Imagine having to be the doctor who informs you that the person in the next bed can get needed medical care, but your health care insurance doesn’t cover what you need because you are not privileged. Single Payer!

In Massachusetts $6 BILLION could be saved a year by going to a single payer system. Our Medicare for All Massachusetts — The Massachusetts Health Care Trust bill is H338. If we have to establish fairness in health

[royaltetley]

BIG LIKE! All the best to Vermont, show the rest of the United States the light.

[conniechop]

Way to go! :)

[majob11112]

Great, now the leeches can live off my money! I'm soooo happy

[drdahahn]

Thank all of you for just being there! You are such a glimmer of hope in the midst of the gloom. There still is some sign of intelligence on earth!

[bweazel]

Go pay for your own healthcare you fucking leeches.

[stuartclubb]

Single Payer will also inevitably mean single employer.

Single Payer will mean rationing of resources by that single payer.

When you're told (by your single payer) where you can practice, what procedures and technologies you may use, and what your income will be, don't complain.

[booley]

@stuartclubb These dire predictions would have a lot more weight if

1. We didn't have other countries with single payer where what you predict hasn't occurred

and

2. IF private insurers weren't dictating what procedures and technologies one can use right now.

You might as well be arguing against pastuerization or letting Missouri into the Union.

[stuartclubb]

@booley National Health Service in the UK is considered to be the model for Single Payer. With a single payer, there is no choice as to what services will be purchased and provided for you. My dad needed his gall bladder removed. 12 months to see a specialist to get on a waiting list, and then 18 months waiting for surgery. Competition across State lines, private "groups" for individuals, limits on law suits, lifetime caps (done?), limits on preexisting's, can fix many of the current problems.

[booley]

@stuartclubb and if the British NIH was the only single payer system around, maybe you might have an argument.

But it isn't. 

Not to mention what you described happens under private insurance. And competition makes not a lick of difference. Except the waiting time is forever.

You didn't even support your earlier argument about how single payer lead sot single employer (whatever that's supposed to mean)

[stuartclubb]

@booley Youtube doesn't allow large replies. The NHS dictates nursing and doctor salaries and where they may, or may not work. By being the only provider of payment (single payer) the government has in effect become the only viable employer. Reimbursement and salaries are very low. Even then, just like with education, the "betters" of the UK who push "no choice" on the country, use their wealth to go private at any opportunity. Not sure what other single-payer countries there are.

[booley]

@stuartclubb Ok your argument is what we call a loose thread. It sounds all nice and logical BUT it's refuted by justa few facts in the real world.

For instance, even in the UK where with socialized medicine, there are still private hospitals.

But even more importantly, in Canada, the gov most assuredly does not own the hospitals.

Canada, Taiwan and Denmark are 3 single payer countries.

[thereinliestherib]

@booley The international comparison is apples to oranges. Other countries may effectively operate socialized care programs, but I dare you name a single country with as poor health stats as the US. Poor health = skyrocketing insurance risk, and thus cost. What our corrupt politicians aren't telling you is the other half of the equation: rising health costs directly correlate with worsening health stats. Which of course, is why Obamacare forces that increasing liability onto the responsible.

[booley]

@thereinliestherib "The international comparison is apples to oranges."

No that's stupid. It's not as if canada is another planet or Canadians another species. It's not even that different culturally. It's like saying we shouldn't vote because that's a greek idea.

Now I agree w/you that rising costs lead sot worse health stats. But single payer is actually cheaper then what we have now. (since another reason for rising costs is the need to make a profit.)

[thereinliestherib]

@booley US: 70% obese/overweight, 25% smoke, millions regularly abuse drugs and alcohol with general cultural acceptance, few/none exercise, the avg. American watches 4 hours of tv a day, and few/none eat a correct diet. Three of the most expensive diseases are heart disease, lung cancer, and diabetes. Name one country with similar stats. ONE. The claim that single payer is cheaper is based on the moronic notion that spreading liability reduces costs, rather than just diffusing them.

[booley]

@thereinliestherib 25% of Americans smoke? But 40% of French smoke. And they drink even more then we do. Yet they live longer.

Not to say other factors don't play apart but access to health care is a really big factor. Particularily when one can get to a doctor that will tell one they need to excercise more.

& spreading liability isnt' moronic. It's the basis of all insurance. Maybe you should look into what insurance is.

[thereinliestherib]

@booley So what? You're only highlighting the point that socialist economies diminish personal accountability. And overall, no other country remotely compares to America's poor health, or its tab. If you actually believe that the "system" is responsible for such ubiquitous poor health in America, then I guess you'd also believe that forks make people fat. HC is expensive in this country solely because we are so unhealthy, but the industry makes a LOT of money off it by socializing costs.

[booley]

@thereinliestherib "You're only highlighting the point that socialist economies diminish personal accountability."

There are numbe rof problems with your argument. But here's the main one.

Clearly not being socialist and letting people suffer for what you presume is their "lack of responsibility" isnt' working.

I know social darwinism is appealing to many. But it's not just cruel, it simply doesn't work.

You are also over simplifying why people get sick.

[thereinliestherib]

@booley Social darwinism? You mean "reality"? The primary result of increasing institutional socialization in America has been a total relaxation of social standards and the near extinction of the concept of choice/responsibility. Case in point, you're arguing for socialized health care in a country where a skyrocketing 74% of the population is obese/overweight, which also happens to be the primary reason for rising HC costs. Talk about ignorant. And oh look, mandates for the industry...

[booley]

@thereinliestherib "Social darwinism? You mean "reality"? "

Yes social darwinism. Admittedly you seem unable to stand by a topic (you seem to have totally let go of other the "we cant' compare ourselves sot other countries" thing)

But your posts do show a clear trend to social darwinism.

You consider those that are at higher risk as being "irresponsible"

But the only option you offer is either they somehow stop (w/o any idea what their situation is) or die.

At least be honest about it.

[thereinliestherib]

@booley People who are a higher risk are more irresponsible, that's a mathematical FACT.. The majority of US HC expenditures don't go to those who became ill through no fault of their own because of congenital disorders. The majority of US HC expenditures go to the treament of illnesses that are the direct result of obesity, smoking, poor diet, drugs, and other CHOICE-relevant conditions. So why should the healthy and responsible be forced to underwrite others irresponsibility?

[booley]

@thereinliestherib "People who are a higher risk are more irresponsible, that's a mathematical FACT"

No it's circular logic.

And the rest of your post is just your prejudices masquerading as fact.

And even if they were true, encouraging large segments of the population to die isn't the way to make people live healthier.

& again, you seem to not understand what insurance is.

[thereinliestherib]

@booley "Circular logic"? Deductive, actually. The least healthy 5% consume 70% of all HC costs. Now correlate that with rates of 70% obese/overweight, 25% smoking, millions hooked on drugs/alcohol, and non-existent national exercise standards. Do the math, dumbass. Most politicians readily admit that the primary reason for the mandate is to force the healthy to subsidize the exceptionally unhealthy, rather than to address the core cost-source of an unhealthy country.

[booley]

@thereinliestherib But hey, nice straw men. You sure managed to refute things that I never claimed and avoid my actual point.

[thereinliestherib]

@booley Nope, you're the one arguing that we should spread insurance liability among a population with direly disproportionate levels of individual risk. Health insurance is the only form of insurance whose premiums are not based on individual risk; thus, the healthy are overcharged and mandated to possess coverage well in excess of their needs in order to cover obese smokers. It's like a system of car ins. where covering bad drivers is mandated, and bad driving is universal. Duuumb...

[GoFuckYourselfBiatch]

This was great guys. I really hope you win.

[busybeeson]

I might have to think about moving my business to Vermont if this passes. Go Vermont!!!!!

[CYBERJ0B]

Should we fight for the right for a night at the opera now?

[DianneB77]

You guys are wonderful. Go, Vermont!

[I3addogy]

Thank you for doing this.

Bernie Sanders for President in 2012

[jonaszajac]

i'd move from CA->VT if they passed single payer

[webcelt]

That's great this passed one house. Wow, a legislature where sane people have the majority.

[freshrant]

Congratulations to the Republic of Vermont! Just saw this on Rachel Maddow. Thank you for leading the way.  Will post this at freshrant com

[Rixar13]

Thumbs up Vermont ^.... I'm a Green Mountain Boy so count me in... smile :-)

[RackFocusFilms]

So grateful that Single Payer is back on the table ! Go Vermont ! Go Students!!

[claton95]

@RackFocusFilms not just back on the table, it's been passed