Presenting Accelerated Christian Education ( ACE ), Part #1

[swbuerer]

@theSlowProgression We are done discussion the validity of evolution here. If you wish to converse, I may be reached at sbuerer@mac.com

What is the "Genetic/DNA evidence has proven evolution"

[swbuerer]

@theSlowProgression - It takes more faith to believe the evolution Theory that to believe in a creator God. Take a look at the Truth Project if you are willing to evolve to a higher plain. But the bottom line is, I have a personal relationship with the Living God and you can too.

[swbuerer]

@ Roertmike57- How do you know the fossils are millions of years old. Carbon dating is very inaccurate and strata dating is worse. (We gained 10,000 years when St Helens erupted. How many years were you in an ACE school and your parents had you a church every time the doors opened and you participated in every teen activity at Church and memorized each of the scriptures and hymns. Where did you go on you privilege field trips? Did you maintain an "E" privilege? Learn to play an instrument?

[swbuerer]

@ RobertMike57 cont. This is not the scientific method of observation. No one was there to observe. Still take a Large leap of Faith. ___ Is is more loving to spank a child with a neutral object to correct his rebellion or disregard for appropriate behavior, than to let him "run into the freeway?" God gave us pain to notify and help us correct our inappropriate behavior. Time outs do little, Talking without consequence do less for a 0 to 8 year old. Please answer my questions- No Expletives.

[swbuerer]

@robertmike57 Why are you so down on Christianity? The ACE system of materials and operation work ALLTHE TIME. Some people may choose not to operate within the recommended system and that leaves a bad oder that some may latch on to and then out of partial or misinformation put down Accelerated Christian Education. ___ What are you down on Creationism? Isn'y it more plausible to believe that "God Created" than something came from nothing. Continued

[swbuerer]

@violent Continued - Both graduated from Point Loma Nazarene University; A very prestigious university in San Diego. One has a business. and the other is a financial analyst for the Department of the Navy after receiving her MBA.

[swbuerer]

@violent 2 Did you go to an ACE school all 12 levels? Did your parents take you to church? What is the "real" world? I believe you are making some serious misjudgments regarding the ACE program and the ability to prepare children for college. I have had two children who have never been in a government k-12 program. Each of them used the ACE material and program in high school and had been in either ACE or aBeka based schools throughout K-12.

[jack24showrocks]

i do these and hate them y DONT TEACHERS SCORE THEM 4 U But i am a proud christian

[swbuerer]

@jack24showrocks Are you asking why the supervisors don't score your PACEs?  Why do you hate to do the work? Don't understand. Also, what levels are you working?

[Ozzy0sbourne]

The bible also contradicts clear scientifical evidence.

Why would i believe that a book was truth, just because that book said it was.

Also, why would i believe that book was truth, when it had no evidence supporting it, and has been proven to contradict science, and to even contradict itself.

It's a lie to keep people in line, and an obvious logical fallacy.

Why would a god care what clothes someone wears?

Why would god create women, then treat them like property?

It's complete lunacy.

[swbuerer]

@Ozzy0sbourne Now I see why you said I removed your comment, I found it today as a "Pending" You ask great questions for which there may be no answers. I would like you to go back over your questions ask yourself, "how did I come to beliefs." Also please show me where the Bible or God suggests what you put forth as truth or evidence. Substantiate your evidence. I really would like to hear your perspective.

Steve

[Ozzy0sbourne]

Thank you for removing my comment.

Your "education" needs to realize that it needs to separate science and history from the bible.

Completely lying about the theory of evolution just to push your ideas of Creation instead of giving both sides at an equal value is both close minded, and ignorant.

[swbuerer]

Ozzy - You said, education "needs to realize that it needs to separate science and history from the bible." What has led you to this hypothesis?

[Ozzy0sbourne]

Because I used to take the course when I used to go to an ACE school.

[swbuerer]

But why the need to separate science and history from the Bible.  What is your philosophical/ Theological studies foundation have led you to this hypothesis?

[swbuerer]

Have you read my separate posting below done yesterday that include "You and I are products...?

[Ozzy0sbourne]

I say that if you are going to teach science, teach the theory of evolution, and also include as a side note, what christians believe.

Not refuse to teach the theory of evolution.

I say keep the science and history, as proven science, and proven history, and keep the bible study, in the appropriate bible subjects and books given in a ACE curriculum.

[swbuerer]

But you didn't the question. Why do you say "..." You have not given any rationale for your arbitrary comments.

[Ozzy0sbourne]

@swbuerer

You're not even making a rebuttal. You're typing random comments back to me with horrible grammar.

[swbuerer]

Ozzy - Your attack of my incomplete sentences gets you nowhere. I am still waiting something other than conjecture on which we can discuss.

I previously wrote "Ozzy - You said, education "needs to realize that it needs to separate science and history from the bible." What has led you to this hypothesis?"

Answer this question.

[Ozzy0sbourne]

@swbuerer

I wouldn't have said anything if i could have understood your sentence.

I did answer that question.

I used to take the curriculum. I know how the "teach", if you could call it that.

They completely make up lies about the theory of evolution, put it down, and refuse to teach it, and the whole time they say "god made this like this", instead of giving the scientific method for it's existence.

I say teach the theory of evolution, and as a side note include what christians believe.

[swbuerer]

Scientific method refers to a body of techniques for investigating phenomena, acquiring new knowledge, or correcting and integrating previous knowledge. To be termed scientific, a method of inquiry must be based on gathering observable, empirical and measurable evidence subject to specific principles of reasoning.[1] A scientific method consists of the collection of data through observation and experimentation, and the formulation and testing of hypotheses.

[swbuerer]

It takes as much faith to believe the Bible account of Creation as it does the Theory of Evolution. Without faith one has nothing to stand on in either platform. I have faith that the Bible is God's Word. It is we who are human who are so limited in our knowledge, understanding and faith who have the challenge.

I have been a Supervisor, principal and parent at different times at schools using the Accelerated Christian Education curriculum and my children have done great.

[Ozzy0sbourne]

Ask your children to explain the theory of evolution to you.

You should give your kids the chance to distinguish in their own discernment whether the theory of evolution is the truth or not.

It's not yours to decide.

Plus, to believe in the bible, you just believe a book and all of its evilness.

The theory of evolution has overwhelming amounts of evidence with it.

You even see evolution today.

[swbuerer]

You are right we still have natural selection happen today. I disagree with regard to your comment, " You should give your kids the chance to distinguish in their own discernment..." As a parent, my responsibility is to teach my child "Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things."

[Ozzy0sbourne]

What you're doing is teaching them their own opinions and beliefs and indoctrinating them at a young age instead of giving them to chance to form their own opinions and beliefs.

Furthermore, please do not use scripture to further your point in a logical manner.

I am an atheist.

[swbuerer]

Why do you choose to reject God's overwhelming love for you.  Christ died for you. Without God's love you and I would not even be here. The society would have destroyed itself and would be a bunch of animals trying to get the best of each other rather than trying to help each other get better. Following Christ is the only way to have a decent society let alone life eternal. I do not believe there is such a person as an atheist. Only those who are hurting and faithless.

[Ozzy0sbourne]

Yeah, because if i was god, i would make satan, knowing ahead of time that he would tempt adam and eve to eat an apple off of a tree.

Then I would punish Adam and Eve's kids for what they did as a result of god's reverse psychology.

I wouldn't make humans, then give them the human nature to like cupcakes, then dangle a cupcake in front of them.

I also wouldn't make a person, knowing before i created him, that he would tell them lies and tempt them to eat the cupcake.

Ive been set up to fail.

[swbuerer]

@Ozzy0sbourne Glad you are God and know everything. I know this one thing. I DO NOT know everything. Much of life is taken on faith and trust. Without which it would be a horrible gut-wrenching life. I don't have to know all the answers. But this I do know. God Love me and you and has great and wonderful plans for our lives. Take a leap of faith.

[swbuerer]

@Ozzy0sbourne The point of parenthood and therefore the teacher IS to teach a belief system and the truth as we see it. If were are "Blank Slates" as B.F Skinner puts forth. The Bible is as good as any other resource. If you choose not to believe these as facts that is your choice and loss.

[swbuerer]

Philippians 4:8. After they know truth, then decrement is caught by the modeling.

[swbuerer]

Ozzy - Have you looked at part #2 of the series?

[swbuerer]

Science is not just the facts as seen by some today, but the historical reference and system God put into play at creation. You may ask "Did God create the 'heavens and the Earth' in six, twenty-four days and rested," as some have viewed? Or is the Scriptural account an arch-type of the process God put into place for His redemptive plan.

How can a book "worth it's salt" be anything less than opinionated? If it does not propose a truth, why print it?

Steve Buerer

[Ozzy0sbourne]

I find it interesting that the history books are, instead of being filled with historic events, presidents, and wars, (or any other things that are relevant to common history classes), they teach the bible... in the HISTORY CLASS.

There might be a bible subject, but apparently it's not enough.

I also love how in science class, they lie about some facts, and completely misrepresent evolution, to push their views, and say "god did this" in every "fact".

These books are also too opinionated.

Wow

[swbuerer]

Ozzy0sbourne -Thank you for you comments.

You and I are products of a teaching system designed for the convenience of the system not the education of the student. The content stresses subject matter rather than thought and truth. ie History is not just "historic events, presidents, and wars" but the inter-relationship of men with God and other men, and their reasoning behind their wars and political moves.