This has musical value whatsoever- stop deluding yourselves! Does it make you feel good about yourself that you have such refined taste that you can like Penderecki?!
@bayreuth79 Your post contributes in no way to nothing altogether: stop deluding yourself! Does it make you feel good about yourself that you can put down composers whose music you don't like?
@AfroDeezeeYak This so-called "music" doesn't contribute to music; it is postmodern rubbish. Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Wagner, etcetera, will live for as long as music is listened to; but Penderecki will disappear as soon as this tread for the new and the novel and the bizarre vanishes. There is no beauty in this music.
Actually Mozart came back as a Greek last time his name was Xenakis and has of course been able to come up with much original new music too bad he died AGAIn in 2001.
Music only has to be 'organised sound', everything else is a matter of subjection and taste. The more one studies music and composition, the one more realises that there are NO actual rules or laws, only disciplines, traditions and conformities, all of which are fleeting when one hears a creation within his/her mind! Write the music regardless, don't be afraid of opinions!
I don't enjoy this. And I don't understand why one would want to analyze the score, as someone suggested. I mean, I wont go so far as to say, oh this isn't music, oh it's just noise, etc.. but really now... it can have all the structure and musicality it wants, and the composer can be brilliant and educated and have all the forward vision people say he does, but at the end of the day, is this pleasing? Because it just seems self-indulgent.
@Stupidracoon a lot of this music was written to challenge our definition of music. We have a preconceived notion of what it's supposed to sound like, but what is we seek beyond the standard. Many would admit to percieveing some form of music from the sound of rain in a forest, or the sounds of the sounds of wildlife at night so what else could be music. Now I agree with you, I don't necessarily enjoy this music. BUT, I do appreciate the primary question it asks "what is music?"
@Stupidracoon It's all a matter of taste. A couple of years ago I would have thought that this was unbearable. Now I find it very intriguing and pleasing. Unlike pop music, which is very generic and requires little brain power, classical music requires thought to encompass every transformation. Even if you don't like something, you can learn more about why they did it, and maybe in time, work your way up to enjoy it. I love all types of classical music but especially from 1800's to Present day.
@Stupidracoon There is nothing wrong with self-indulgent art. If you want selfless art that is out to please as many as possible and offend as few as possible listen to christian rock, pop, and elevator music.
what's with these ignorant people, they don't know how to argue and they just start swearing. where do we live, do we not have democracy? have we lost all ability to argue?
@TheEdgarvarese12 I woul reallylike you to know that you arevery wrong only about one thing, there is no such thing as democrasy in this world.
how ever i totaly agree that it is so anoyng that people just start swearing as soon as they cant argue their point out fairly or just simply admit that they are dumb or dont know much about music.
I myself is a musician and i dont really like this peace of music because it has no strucure or anyting. To me that is.
@STALKER2032 oh, it has much more structure than what you think, just try to get one of his scores and analyze it from top to bottom, you will realise how deep is his knowledge of music by looking on his compositions. Melody and basic-feelings "makes me happy, makes me sad" are not everything in music, actually that's almost the primary thing, they are just so basic that are almost not even important, just try to plunge on it, and then we'll be able to talk again about Penderecki's music.
@TheEdgarvarese12 All music has a melody. A melody is a set of single pitches. Take any chords, notes and harmonic intervals, and you can trace straight lines from pitch to pitch.
@MINORSECONDXXI of course, if you define melody as broadly as just horizontality, but I don't think it's relevant since it simplifies one's understanding of different styles.
la verdad nose hasta que punto el ser humano puede desarollar las habituacion ( entiendase como la capacidad de adaptarse ).y hago referencia a esto, por como el hombre puede encontrar algo hermoso.
creo que la palabra no es hermoso porque lo hermoso se relaciona con la armonia la palabra adecuada seria aterrador , pero no en un sentido despectivo ya que para mi penderecki (junto con algunos otros) a abierto un mundo dentro de la sonoridad que realmente era necesario poder oir y experimentar
First comment to others: this is not even remotely related to 12 tone music. Second, to the person who said this sounds like kindergarten kids, you'd be in for a very, very big surprise if you had to analyze the piece. You would know -quickly- that every note is where it is supposed to be.
@nicodagger These are real instruments, and the piece involves timbres and technical difficulties that can't be possibly played on a toy. Also, this is not banging. You have plucking, bowing and many extended techniques. Penderecki's early works were usually influenced by the total serialism of Anton Webern and Pierre Boulez, and by cluster-based harmony. Your comment is a joke.
This has got to be one of the greatest pieces of music of the 20th century!! I love it! I remember when I heard it for the first time, it was a live performance by the Borodin Quartet and I nearly fell out of my seat, but I didn't, because I was also jumping up -- at the same time!!!
@SandPaperCookies It's not even a guitar! It's a string quartet, which consists of two violins, a viola and a cello! Also, even an out-of-tune guitar would not be able to play the microtonal intervals of this piece correctly.
Everybody talks about "biases" and "open mindedness" and "artistic" but if your on the inside you know that clasiical musician's won't even play anything with a dotted 16th note rest of 32nd note rest or a bunch of dotted sixteenth notes without barring them to indicate the quarter not which if they are plentious is so tedious and long that it is practically impossible to read. So why would they hold so fast to conventions that actually use notes yet play some scribbled crayon drawings? Bias.
Prerequisite for playing this score........DROP ACID! BTW, how do the musicians know whether or not they 'hit' the wrong note or notes? LoL I LOVE PENDERECKI!!!
This performance sounds a lot better than the one I own of this striking string quartet (remember: this is 1960!). Could you please tell me who are playing?
@capricornus1961 I'm sorry - I should have notated it when I uploaded it. I have a couple of different versions of this one and I can't remember which one this is. Here are the choices: it's either a) The LaSalle Quartet from PCND 017 or b) The Tale Quartet from BIS CD 652. Hope that helps a little.
It is PWM Edition, and was originally titled 'quartetto' per archi. The score is dated 1960, and was premiered by the LaSalle String Quartet in Cincinnati 1962.
@Archimagister I disagree. While early Penderecki was indeed great, post war avant-garde was a dead end. What other choice you have than returing to tradition, when everything has been tried? And be honest: are you always in the mood for destructive, radical music?
@Steinbach1984 Well, tradition has been tried even more than the avant-guarde. Tonality has already been tried, but we still compose tonal music, and the fact that, for example, the twelve-tone technique has already been employed, doesn't mean that we can't make any more twelve-tone music. The avant-guarde should continue.
By the logic of your comment, we should return to monodic Gregorian chants because "polyphony has already been tried". If it worked, why not continue using it?
@MINORSECONDXXI Because the esthetic philosophy of avant garde art was/is, by definition, to advance, to explore new material. Once an idiom had become only slightly common, it had to be discarded. This inevitably led to a situation in which even the most radical material would sound stale. So once composers got there in the 60s, they could only use existing idioms, and then a tonal composition isn't any more out of place than, say, a cluster piece.
@Steinbach1984 So let's forget about what's avant-guarde and what's traditional! If we can compose ten trillion tonal pieces, why not compose ten trillion spectral pieces, ten trillion serial pieces, et cetera?
Besides, there will always be new aesthetics to explore. Musical possibilities are unlimited.
We have tonality and many other aesthetics to use. It doesn't matter which ones are conservative and which ones aren't.
@MINORSECONDXXI That's right. From the one dimensional avant garde perspective, modern Penderecki is a huge leap backwards, but it is quite different from past aesthetics after all. Any change in style for 1960s Penderecki would have meant a return to tradition. That was my basic point: avantgarde composers in the 1960 had the choice between a creative approach to tradition and stagnation.
¡¡¡Pero que dices anormal!!! Anda prueba con otra pieza de este enorme compositor ya verás como cambias de opinión...Prueba con la Pasión según San Lucas o con la 7ª sinfonia, o el 2º concierto para violin,
I don't have the score for this work, but Penderecki generally used graphic notation allowing some degree of artistic latitude to the performer on works like this.
@NewMusicXX All notes and effects are notated. One of the indefinite pitch symbols he used was an arrow pointing upward, meaning the "highest note on the instrument. " Also, "The duration of the note is indicated by the length of the horizontal line which follows it. The tempo is determined by the duration of individual one-second sections. Deviations from this tempo within the limits from 0,8'' to 1,4'' for each section are admissible, depending on the first violinist's choice."
Great! Thanks.
tietjen666 23 hours ago
LOL at the kiddos who stumbled upon this on accident. Stop insulting early Penderecki with your ignorance.
Where are my manners: please and thank you! =)
AfroDeezeeYak 1 day ago
yikes... this is what "music" has come to in the 20th century.... shit man......:/
merman4 1 day ago
This has musical value whatsoever- stop deluding yourselves! Does it make you feel good about yourself that you have such refined taste that you can like Penderecki?!
bayreuth79 3 days ago
@bayreuth79 Your post contributes in no way to nothing altogether: stop deluding yourself! Does it make you feel good about yourself that you can put down composers whose music you don't like?
AfroDeezeeYak 1 day ago
@AfroDeezeeYak This so-called "music" doesn't contribute to music; it is postmodern rubbish. Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Wagner, etcetera, will live for as long as music is listened to; but Penderecki will disappear as soon as this tread for the new and the novel and the bizarre vanishes. There is no beauty in this music.
bayreuth79 1 day ago
@bayreuth79 Why doesn't this contribute to music? Why isn't this beautiful? Why is there a necessity for music to be beautiful in the first place?
Did you know that the drive for the extreme avant garde has long diminished: at least 30-40 years ago?
AfroDeezeeYak 1 day ago
@bayreuth79 Why is this not "music"? What about it prevents it from functioning as such? If it's not music, than what is it?
AfroDeezeeYak 1 day ago
@bayreuth79 Why do you think Bach, Mozart, Beethoven and Wagner be forever remembered? Why do you think Penderecki will be left in the dust?
AfroDeezeeYak 1 day ago
What's the one thing worse than an idiot ignoring something? - an idiot condemning it
pestoman 4 days ago
Gee, I dunno.. I found myself whistling this the next day.
guidepost42 2 weeks ago 2
Can anyone get some meaning out of this?
PAGANlNl 2 weeks ago
I'm guessing (hoping) the score in the video isn't real.
DIZamudio 2 weeks ago
@DIZamudio u hope wrong
valentinmxm 1 week ago
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You can't say this is bad, or good. You can't say this is better/worse than, for instance, Mozart (or Cage). It is a matter of taste.
Art is subjective, let's keep it that way :)
joao975ca 3 weeks ago
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joao975ca 3 weeks ago
Because fuck music.
tantalicatom689 3 weeks ago
I cannot imagine having to rehearse this. "I think the viola is still a little slow on those triplet screeches"
ifutureman 3 weeks ago 7
@ifutureman i had rehearsed this.isn t that bad.don t talk without knowing,pls.
valentinmxm 1 week ago 4
Actually Mozart came back as a Greek last time his name was Xenakis and has of course been able to come up with much original new music too bad he died AGAIn in 2001.
MrInterestingthings 3 weeks ago
@MrInterestingthings xenakis was born in my home city,i am very proud of it
valentinmxm 1 week ago
honest. no more. no less.
heartyblack 3 weeks ago
This is really cool to listen to.
danspeedemon 3 weeks ago
Is that Immage the score? If it is then 12 tone (atonal) music is harder to read than I thought
HalfEvilTripl3 1 month ago
Music only has to be 'organised sound', everything else is a matter of subjection and taste. The more one studies music and composition, the one more realises that there are NO actual rules or laws, only disciplines, traditions and conformities, all of which are fleeting when one hears a creation within his/her mind! Write the music regardless, don't be afraid of opinions!
WTT1978 1 month ago
I don't enjoy this. And I don't understand why one would want to analyze the score, as someone suggested. I mean, I wont go so far as to say, oh this isn't music, oh it's just noise, etc.. but really now... it can have all the structure and musicality it wants, and the composer can be brilliant and educated and have all the forward vision people say he does, but at the end of the day, is this pleasing? Because it just seems self-indulgent.
Stupidracoon 1 month ago
@Stupidracoon a lot of this music was written to challenge our definition of music. We have a preconceived notion of what it's supposed to sound like, but what is we seek beyond the standard. Many would admit to percieveing some form of music from the sound of rain in a forest, or the sounds of the sounds of wildlife at night so what else could be music. Now I agree with you, I don't necessarily enjoy this music. BUT, I do appreciate the primary question it asks "what is music?"
drfarrin 1 month ago
@Stupidracoon It's all a matter of taste. A couple of years ago I would have thought that this was unbearable. Now I find it very intriguing and pleasing. Unlike pop music, which is very generic and requires little brain power, classical music requires thought to encompass every transformation. Even if you don't like something, you can learn more about why they did it, and maybe in time, work your way up to enjoy it. I love all types of classical music but especially from 1800's to Present day.
Ybarchov21 1 month ago
@Stupidracoon If the music is self-indulgent, wouldn't that mean it's pleasing?
AfroDeezeeYak 1 month ago
@Stupidracoon Well, it is interesting, if nothing else.
Ongarukat 3 weeks ago
@Stupidracoon There is nothing wrong with self-indulgent art. If you want selfless art that is out to please as many as possible and offend as few as possible listen to christian rock, pop, and elevator music.
SB87JB 3 weeks ago
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STALKER2032 1 month ago
what's with these ignorant people, they don't know how to argue and they just start swearing. where do we live, do we not have democracy? have we lost all ability to argue?
TheEdgarvarese12 1 month ago
@TheEdgarvarese12 I woul reallylike you to know that you arevery wrong only about one thing, there is no such thing as democrasy in this world.
how ever i totaly agree that it is so anoyng that people just start swearing as soon as they cant argue their point out fairly or just simply admit that they are dumb or dont know much about music.
I myself is a musician and i dont really like this peace of music because it has no strucure or anyting. To me that is.
STALKER2032 1 month ago
@STALKER2032 oh, it has much more structure than what you think, just try to get one of his scores and analyze it from top to bottom, you will realise how deep is his knowledge of music by looking on his compositions. Melody and basic-feelings "makes me happy, makes me sad" are not everything in music, actually that's almost the primary thing, they are just so basic that are almost not even important, just try to plunge on it, and then we'll be able to talk again about Penderecki's music.
CarlitosDessay 1 month ago
Not to say that it's BAD...it just hurts my ears. So I stopped listening.
BenGabbay 1 month ago
I love this. Not sure why I do, but it's great.
TheOissin 1 month ago
"never explain with genius/creativity/avantgarde what can be explained by 'noise' "
stonehearted1 1 month ago
I can't get this melody out of my head for days! xDD
kpingvin 1 month ago
@kpingvin I don't know if you noticed or not, but there's no melody in this music.
TheEdgarvarese12 1 month ago
@TheEdgarvarese12 All music has a melody. A melody is a set of single pitches. Take any chords, notes and harmonic intervals, and you can trace straight lines from pitch to pitch.
MINORSECONDXXI 1 month ago
@MINORSECONDXXI of course, if you define melody as broadly as just horizontality, but I don't think it's relevant since it simplifies one's understanding of different styles.
TheEdgarvarese12 1 month ago
pendeho
IMBACHABRI 1 month ago
What's the one thing worse than bad "new music"? - Good "new music"
BombedNevada 2 months ago 16
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WardBasil 1 month ago
fun piece, great performance
CORC1300 2 months ago
これはฅ(･ั㉨･ั)ฅ熊動け～
masnem1111 2 months ago
hahahahahahah no mames esta verguisrimas
80binario 2 months ago
The ending is quite moving after the storms of extended techniques.
EdwardWhelanPiano 2 months ago
orchtechre
thetwentyfourth 3 months ago
BRAVO.
freq32 3 months ago
la verdad nose hasta que punto el ser humano puede desarollar las habituacion ( entiendase como la capacidad de adaptarse ).y hago referencia a esto, por como el hombre puede encontrar algo hermoso.
creo que la palabra no es hermoso porque lo hermoso se relaciona con la armonia la palabra adecuada seria aterrador , pero no en un sentido despectivo ya que para mi penderecki (junto con algunos otros) a abierto un mundo dentro de la sonoridad que realmente era necesario poder oir y experimentar
edithoxdelboom 3 months ago
oh god, look at those sheets XD
they dont even need to have notes , rofl
JosePablo24 3 months ago
@JosePablo24 but somehow it makes sense :P
pillowsinmypants 3 months ago
@pillowsinmypants for someone, lol
JosePablo24 3 months ago
I prefer Penderecki's less avant-garde works
Elmothefuzzle 3 months ago
Ah I spotted something. The second violin missed a note on bar 190... He was slightly flat and one beat ahead.
javilack 4 months ago
@javilack
You mean "beat", as in "beat"? ;)
twooffour 2 months ago
Play this at the same time as Arvo Part's Da Pacem. It's incredible.
AEFic 4 months ago
woah!
SB87JB 4 months ago
This texture reminds me of a painting with concentrated globs protruding at parts. I like.
AfroDeezeeYak 5 months ago
I think they'll need new instruments now....
PAGANlNl 5 months ago
This makes me hungry for popcorn...
RCT3vaughn0055 5 months ago 2
Stunning!
Thanks a lot
123must 5 months ago
Better than Mozart
javilack 5 months ago
@javilack if not better, more interesting =)
homerosalazar 4 months ago
@homerosalazar I am sure Mozart is Jealous of not being able to come up with something as original as this...
javilack 4 months ago 2
@javilack that does not make it better or worst, just different
homerosalazar 4 months ago
@homerosalazar no no no... I am pretty sure this is much better than mozart´s "Haydn" string quartets for example...
javilack 4 months ago
@javilack well, i hate this kind of discutions, so let's stop this =P
homerosalazar 4 months ago
First comment to others: this is not even remotely related to 12 tone music. Second, to the person who said this sounds like kindergarten kids, you'd be in for a very, very big surprise if you had to analyze the piece. You would know -quickly- that every note is where it is supposed to be.
kdsf12 5 months ago 2
@kdsf12 If this sounds like kindergarten kids, they've gotten a lot more avant-garde then when I was in school...
AEFic 4 months ago
now i can see where jonny greenwood found his inspiration for bodysong ;)
sobredosisdeprimates 5 months ago
I like first violin part :P
Shqyptaria2 6 months ago
esta partitura se usó como "fondo musical" en el exorcista..(carrie y su famoso vómito, recuerdan?)
marioabra 6 months ago
What is that at 4:30 ??? Human Voice??? If not, how is this sound created? Does anybody know?
glover400 6 months ago
@glover400 could be a cello or a violin
sobredosisdeprimates 5 months ago
@glover400 The sound is made by bowing the tailpiece
Huddiethegreat 4 months ago
@Huddiethegreat
Thank you. very interesting.
glover400 4 months ago
@glover400 It might be the cello or viola being played sul tasto. But I'm not sure, to be honest.
MINORSECONDXXI 1 month ago
These performers are quite talented. Perhaps they were forced to practice with Ferneyhough.
musicalidea 8 months ago
It's beautiful
Huddiethegreat 8 months ago
THIS SOUNDS LIKE A BUNCH OF MY KINDERGARTEN KIDS BANGING ON TOY INSTRUMENTS!!! What a joke.
nicodagger 8 months ago
@nicodagger
You sound like a joke.
mahler151 5 months ago
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@mahler151 i know you are but what am I?
nicodagger 3 months ago
@nicodagger These are real instruments, and the piece involves timbres and technical difficulties that can't be possibly played on a toy. Also, this is not banging. You have plucking, bowing and many extended techniques. Penderecki's early works were usually influenced by the total serialism of Anton Webern and Pierre Boulez, and by cluster-based harmony. Your comment is a joke.
MINORSECONDXXI 1 month ago
sounds like 12 tone method to me but then again I wasn't really listening and don't know any over 20th century styles.
Accumen26 9 months ago
I personally can't stand 20th century music ew.....It's to "out there" and most of the time it sounds nasty...
violinistx100 11 months ago
@violinistx100 In general I agree... But you've gotta admit, it's kinda fun to study it sometimes
MERTx123 10 months ago
@violinistx100 Not all 20th Century music sounds like this....
Elmothefuzzle 3 months ago
This isn't my favorite of Penderecki, but I imagine a live performance of this would certainly be interesting to watch.
connorross123 11 months ago
This has got to be one of the greatest pieces of music of the 20th century!! I love it! I remember when I heard it for the first time, it was a live performance by the Borodin Quartet and I nearly fell out of my seat, but I didn't, because I was also jumping up -- at the same time!!!
earth837 11 months ago
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This music is or fucking idiots.
g3org33r3 1 year ago
@g3org33r3 "This music is or f...ing idiots"? Your comment makes no sense, because the attributive verb is followed by a connective.
MINORSECONDXXI 1 month ago
25000!! Me!!!
arimabueno 1 year ago
SHEE YOOO, I think my two year old cousin was just playing that on a broken out of tune guitar :D Magnificent.
SandPaperCookies 1 year ago
@SandPaperCookies It's not even a guitar! It's a string quartet, which consists of two violins, a viola and a cello! Also, even an out-of-tune guitar would not be able to play the microtonal intervals of this piece correctly.
MINORSECONDXXI 1 month ago
Everybody talks about "biases" and "open mindedness" and "artistic" but if your on the inside you know that clasiical musician's won't even play anything with a dotted 16th note rest of 32nd note rest or a bunch of dotted sixteenth notes without barring them to indicate the quarter not which if they are plentious is so tedious and long that it is practically impossible to read. So why would they hold so fast to conventions that actually use notes yet play some scribbled crayon drawings? Bias.
intervalkid 1 year ago
wow
icet827 1 year ago
Prerequisite for playing this score........DROP ACID! BTW, how do the musicians know whether or not they 'hit' the wrong note or notes? LoL I LOVE PENDERECKI!!!
peppersax 1 year ago
This performance sounds a lot better than the one I own of this striking string quartet (remember: this is 1960!). Could you please tell me who are playing?
capricornus1961 1 year ago 6
@capricornus1961 I'm sorry - I should have notated it when I uploaded it. I have a couple of different versions of this one and I can't remember which one this is. Here are the choices: it's either a) The LaSalle Quartet from PCND 017 or b) The Tale Quartet from BIS CD 652. Hope that helps a little.
NewMusicXX 1 year ago
- the original score is in fact a graphic one.
It is PWM Edition, and was originally titled 'quartetto' per archi. The score is dated 1960, and was premiered by the LaSalle String Quartet in Cincinnati 1962.
mgatonska 1 year ago
o que é belo não se discute, se curte ou não nutre...he he
Renatonofuturoscopi 1 year ago
The Exorcist (1973) soundtrack, overwhelming masterpiece #OMG
1978TVP 1 year ago
he's painting with sound, but using colors and shapes uncomfortable to our ears' biases. i love it.
ChibaFish 1 year ago
i don't think a lot of people will agree, but i think , that is very beautiful.
MCAlexeyPegushev 1 year ago
sounds like Jeffrey Dahmer went into the household of the Violin family, raped, murdered, and ate them. Lovely.
noahballs 1 year ago
I can't find 'one' (musicians will understand that joke).
peppersax 1 year ago 3
ma vaffanculoooooooooooovaaaaaaaaaaa
amioparere1 1 year ago
older composers would have been outraged at Penderecki's "vandalizing" of the instruments LOL
Marmalade000000 1 year ago
I wonder if after this piece he thought: "Music is dead"
chuspita2009 1 year ago
Partytura urworu bardzo zawiła. Ale nie dla wykonawców. Dla nich jest klarowna.
Dobre video !
JustynaPhilipp 1 year ago
Early Penderecki was great... too bad he turned out the way he did. I can no longer find a living connection to his music
Archimagister 1 year ago 13
@Archimagister I disagree. While early Penderecki was indeed great, post war avant-garde was a dead end. What other choice you have than returing to tradition, when everything has been tried? And be honest: are you always in the mood for destructive, radical music?
Steinbach1984 1 year ago 2
@Steinbach1984 Well, tradition has been tried even more than the avant-guarde. Tonality has already been tried, but we still compose tonal music, and the fact that, for example, the twelve-tone technique has already been employed, doesn't mean that we can't make any more twelve-tone music. The avant-guarde should continue.
By the logic of your comment, we should return to monodic Gregorian chants because "polyphony has already been tried". If it worked, why not continue using it?
MINORSECONDXXI 1 month ago
@MINORSECONDXXI Because the esthetic philosophy of avant garde art was/is, by definition, to advance, to explore new material. Once an idiom had become only slightly common, it had to be discarded. This inevitably led to a situation in which even the most radical material would sound stale. So once composers got there in the 60s, they could only use existing idioms, and then a tonal composition isn't any more out of place than, say, a cluster piece.
Steinbach1984 1 month ago
@Steinbach1984 So let's forget about what's avant-guarde and what's traditional! If we can compose ten trillion tonal pieces, why not compose ten trillion spectral pieces, ten trillion serial pieces, et cetera?
Besides, there will always be new aesthetics to explore. Musical possibilities are unlimited.
We have tonality and many other aesthetics to use. It doesn't matter which ones are conservative and which ones aren't.
MINORSECONDXXI 1 month ago
@MINORSECONDXXI That's right. From the one dimensional avant garde perspective, modern Penderecki is a huge leap backwards, but it is quite different from past aesthetics after all. Any change in style for 1960s Penderecki would have meant a return to tradition. That was my basic point: avantgarde composers in the 1960 had the choice between a creative approach to tradition and stagnation.
Steinbach1984 1 month ago
@Archimagister How did he "turn out?"
AhaBach4Life 10 months ago
@Archimagister
the sister of my friend is working in his orchestra and he made a new cd
steppachshit 7 months ago
Are you kidding?
Please, Please kidding aside, pull in your ears!
saintvingt 1 year ago
Playing this right now. It's harder than it seemed to be :/
aiwendilciunio 1 year ago
sounds like hammers COOL!
drgabrielsoileau 2 years ago
¡¡¡Pero que dices anormal!!! Anda prueba con otra pieza de este enorme compositor ya verás como cambias de opinión...Prueba con la Pasión según San Lucas o con la 7ª sinfonia, o el 2º concierto para violin,
rssothon 2 years ago
STUPENDO!!!
raku217 2 years ago
x dios esto es hermoso
karimelbarra 2 years ago 17
This work is amazing!
Playing almost with the arcs...
geheimnisvolle 2 years ago
I think you're a benefactor; thank you.
varianteA 2 years ago 2
excelente!! aunque me parece algo "refritado" de trabajos anteriores.
GREAT!!!!!!!!
chucholuchocucho 3 years ago
Thanks a lot.
Does the actual score includes graphic and/or improvisational parts, or everything is written precisely ?
dadalaidou 3 years ago
I don't have the score for this work, but Penderecki generally used graphic notation allowing some degree of artistic latitude to the performer on works like this.
NewMusicXX 3 years ago
@NewMusicXX All notes and effects are notated. One of the indefinite pitch symbols he used was an arrow pointing upward, meaning the "highest note on the instrument. " Also, "The duration of the note is indicated by the length of the horizontal line which follows it. The tempo is determined by the duration of individual one-second sections. Deviations from this tempo within the limits from 0,8'' to 1,4'' for each section are admissible, depending on the first violinist's choice."
coelhoigor 1 year ago
is the image the score?
adamtabl 3 years ago
No, but it is a Penderecki score (for another work)
NewMusicXX 3 years ago 3
@NewMusicXX holy shit. I thought the image was a joke... holy shit.
TerryCraig23 4 months ago
@NewMusicXX which other work?
CORC1300 2 months ago
thank you!
galas06 3 years ago