AmeriCorps expands and expects more volunteers

[IMPLR1369007]

If Americorps is a volunteer agency that pays none of its people, why are tax payers funding this agency to the tune of $1.1 Billion per year?

[pgt1027]

@IMPLR1369007 some AmeriCorps workers aren't really "volunteers", they're "members" as some, especially NCCC and VISTA are paid a living stipend of $150 every two weeks (well below the poverty line)

They also spend money on things like work supplies, transportation, food, etc.

They really don't spend that much in comparison to other Government programs, like the Military, which spends over 600 billion dollars a year (more than the rest of the world combined).

[IMPLR1369007]

When I joined the Army, I was paid $361.20, per month, before taxes, this barely covered the cost of required upkeep of uniforms. Each promotion brought in extra pay, but required nearly every dime for new uniforms, since soldiers are expected to keep up appearances commensurate with their rank. Soldiers often complained about this, we were told "if you don't like it don't reenlist."

Same goes for AmeriCorps. Don't Like it, don't stay in it.

[IMPLR1369007]

They are either volunteers or employees. If they are volunteers they should get NO pay, if they are employees they are required by law to get at least minimum wage, if AmeriCorps is lying about any of this, they are perpetrating a fraud and should be totally defunded as a fraudulent agency and the taxpayers should be given full disclosure of these facts.

[ThirdEyeLight]

Well that was four posts of absolutely nothing to do with the issue, congratulations.

What is the fraud? What needs to be disclosed?

As a taxpayer, you have the right... NO, the DUTY, to file suit against them for this heinous fraud that has been perpetrated against the American taxpayers. I recommend you file a suit and request any "facts" you are curious about through the freedom of information act instead of whining about it on the youtube comment section.

[IMPLR1369007]

Interestingly, I called the local of AmeriCorps and told them of your situation, they tossed the Bullshit flag on your story. You do your service for 10 months, get full room and board, have no expenses and get $300 (minimum, variable by state), about the only thing you stated that was factual is that you are not allowed to have another job....FOR THE 10 MONTHS YOU ARE IN SERVICE.

Yours is a short term position, not 3 year commitment or a 20 year career as is the military. Nice Try.

[ThirdEyeLight]

I get 850 a month. Where did I say I got less than 300? Someone else said that they get 150 every two weeks which equals to..... 300 bucks!

I am part of VISTA which does not have room or board, but they do pay my milage and gas.

My program is a 12 month commitment and it says so in my contract. I don't know for sure but I think all VISTA members serve a minimum of 12 months.

[ThirdEyeLight]

You are an absolute nutjob. You didn't talk to anyone. If you did, you didn't ask the right question. I am too old to participate in NCCC which is cut off at age 24. They are the program you speak of.

[ThirdEyeLight]

Oh and I am pretty sure that it varies by program if you are allowed to have a job but it does not apply to VISTA. NCCC and part time can have an outside job if their specific program allows it. Call again and ask for someone who knows what they are talking about haha.

[ThirdEyeLight]

Merriam webster: Volunteer

1 : a person who voluntarily undertakes or expresses a willingness to undertake a service: as a : one who enters into MILITARY SERVICE voluntarily b (1) : one who renders a service or takes part in a transaction while having no legal concern or interest (2) : one who receives a conveyance or transfer of property without giving valuable consideration.

Look closely old man, I couldn't make the military service part any bigger so you could read it without your bifocals.

[IMPLR1369007]

Your point? Not all military service is voluntary, remember the draft? Also, the military has contracts that agree to pay the soldiers, AmeriCorps is a fraud because it pays it's people then calls them volunteers, while having NOT COTRACTS, not legal mandate to pay it's "volunteers", which are volunteers in name only in order to circumvent U.S. wage laws.

[ThirdEyeLight]

My point is that the military is the same situation as the Americorps as far as pay goes.

It is a widely known FACT that our military has been 100% voluntary since you turned 18 my friend. You were in fact a volunteer that got paid.

NO SHIT THERE WAS A DRAFT, THOSE WHO WERE DRAFTED WERE NOT CONSIDERED VOLUNTEERS. READ THE DEFINITION AGAIN.

You cannot argue this fact. A volunteer for the united states army is PAID.

Instead of bitching about it on youtube, file a suit and PROVE IT.

[IMPLR1369007]

@ThirdEyeLight

Like a true liberal loon you cannot justify your position so you resort to name calling, but that was expected. I see you also fall back on trying to dictate what is and is not a valid argument, in a vain effort to CONTROL the discourse.

However, in the final analysis you have destroyed your own argument in saying "They must call people "volunteers" for legal purposes because most get paid well below minimum wage." Which means that AmeriCorps violates US wage laws.

[ThirdEyeLight]

Its in my contract. You are allowed to VOLUNTEER for a position that receives less money. I don't receive a wage or a salary either so it doesn't violate any laws that deal with wage...

Once again you don't know what you are talking about. For legal purposes I get a "Stipend"

[ThirdEyeLight]

I am not a liberal, I did not vote Obama or Kerry.

[ThirdEyeLight]

I also have a contract, you delusional piece of shit. Where do you get your information from? While I cannot speak for all americorps members, I am almost certain that if I have a contract, everyone would.

Google "americorps contract" and you will see what I signed.

You have not made a single valid point.

How long did you serve in our military? How long was your contract?

[IMPLR1369007]

Also, by your own presented definition, ALL people in the U.S. who have jobs, are VOLUNTEERS, since no corporation is allowed to force people to work for them. But none of those "volunteers" would be working for GM or Ford or any other corporation, if they were not getting paid, yet you try to use the crutch of claiming that you HAVE NO CHOICE but to work for AmeriCorps, and that AmeriCorps is somehow justified in violating the wage laws while dictating work rules to it's "volunteers".

[ThirdEyeLight]

I am not a lawyer, but I recommend you talking to one and filing suit against the Americorps if you think you have a case. YOU DON'T!

Corporations have very different laws than charitable causes and NFP organizations.

Please quote where I said I had no choice but to work for them. I never said that at all. I said I like my job and there was no martyrdom. You are bringing up so many irrelevant points it is just absolutely fucking silly

[ThirdEyeLight]

I think you are forgetting that it is only your definition that volunteers should get NO pay, not mine.

So yes I have no problem with saying that american workers are at their jobs VOLUNTARILY while being paid.

[pgt1027]

@IMPLR1369007

As I said before, at least in AmeriCorps NCCC, people belonging to AmeriCorps are called "Corps Members" (or "CMs") and we are specifically instructed to not use the term "volunteer". This may be different for VISTA (which stands for Volunteers In Service To America).

The amount they are paid and whether or not room and board are covered depends on the program you're in. In VISTA, room and board is not covered. In NCCC, it is.

[IMPLR1369007]

@pgt1027

And your point is...???

The reality is that you live with your choices and the fact that you are underpayed or not fed is irrelevant since you chose to join that mess of an organization.

[ThirdEyeLight]

Irrelevant as is your comment since pgt was not saying he was "underpaid". Underpaid is a relative term with the connotation of being unhappy. He was saying that payment, and room and board, depends on the program. AND THAT IS ALL HE WAS SAYING you fucking moron.

You have psychological issues. Time to check yourself into a home old man.

[IMPLR1369007]

@ThirdEyeLight

Rant on, your rants will get raves. If pay is not an issue, then why mention it? Nice try at another dodge, but you fail again. Nice demonstration of your liberal tilt with the name calling as well, but I expect no less. The most comical part is that you toss these comments at me as if you think I give a shit, I don't. I know that AmeriCorps is a phony organization, force funded by tax payers with no real value in return.

[ThirdEyeLight]

You are a moron!

Take up arms you fucking pussy. Stop bitching on youtube.

You claim to have objective proof that the Americorps breaks all kinds of laws, FILE SUIT.

[IMPLR1369007]

@ThirdEyeLight

Why waste my time, like all liberal BS programs, "AmeriCorpse" will eventually fall of its own weight as soon as the corrupution in it comes to light, just like its partner ACORN

[IMPLR1369007]

@ThirdEyeLight

You remind me of the idiot that tried to equate service in AmeriCorps with military service, saying that he believed that a term of service in AmeriCorps should equal a term of service in the military. This comes as no surprise either, since such a liberal bunch of leeches would like to get equal credit for 10-12 months of service in AmeriCorps that a soldier gets for 36 months of putting their life on the line. Such is the delusion of the left wing.

[pgt1027]

@IMPLR1369007

Liberal bunch of leeches? I have a guy on my team who's a part of the religious right. He thinks that service in AmeriCorps will bring him closer to the calling of Christ. Also, aren't you, technically, a leech considering that you get paid taxpayer money for not working?

Also, what about during peacetime, when soldiers aren't putting their lives on the line? At least in AmeriCorps you'd actually be doing something productive.

[IMPLR1369007]

@pgt1027

Odd that you should mention "peace time" as if all soldiers did was go to war, during my career, I engaged in many humanitarian service operations. Recovering from floods in the Mississippi Delta in 1977 and 78 floods, 1983 recovering from Hurricane EWA in Hawaii, as well as several disaster relief operations in South Korea in 1983-84-85 and 90. Not to mention the time on "PeaceKeeping Operations in Haiti and Bosnia. The Army does what you are doing and much better.

[pgt1027]

@IMPLR1369007

You seem awfully proud of the fact that you're ex-military. What is it that you did in the military exactly?

[IMPLR1369007]

@pgt1027

Neither proud nor sad, just a fact.

I served 22 years as a/an Armored Recon Specialist / Cavalry Scout.

I retired because I got tired of Bill Clinton using the military as an excuse platform.

[pgt1027]

@IMPLR1369007

You certainly tote the fact around a lot for a person who isn't proud of it. You know, even having a military avatar on your YouTube account.

So you quite because of political reasons, huh? How noble of you.

[IMPLR1369007]

@pgt1027

You should go be in the Olympics. You must get a lot of exercise jumping to conclusions. It must give you one hell of a workout.

I post here, but I am not a film maker, nor a web designer, but by your logic I should be.

I talk about my time in the military because it's part of my past. I suppose you think that I should come on here and talk about ...horse racing??... (an activity in which I have never had an interest)?

Liberal logic is indeed short sighted and warped.

[pgt1027]

@IMPLR1369007

I know lots of ex-military guys and they don't tote the fact that they're ex-military around everywhere they go and put a bunch of military signs on their YouTube or Facebook acounts or whatever and talk about their military service at any given opprotunity.

What makes you think that I think you're a film maker or web designer?

And I'm NOT a liberal for the last time. I've told you again and again I'm a moderate independent. I disagree with both sides.

[IMPLR1369007]

@pgt1027

So you know lots of military guys who don't talk about their service, perhaps they are embarrassed by their actions. I'm not.

As for the points "film and web design", you assume that since I have an undue preoccupation with the military, because I talk about my service time.

Since I come to this forum I must (by your logic have an undue preoccupation with youtube which consists of web and video.

[pgt1027]

@IMPLR1369007

The ex-military guys I know are not embarrassed by the work they did. Specifically, my father was a Green Beret. My Grandfather was a Marine. I know many others as well, like a teacher I had who was worked on a submarine. They were proud of their service, but they didn't do stuff like cover their personal pages with military symbolism.

[IMPLR1369007]

@pgt1027

Well goody for them. And like a true liberal (contrary to your protestations) you seem to feel that I should fit into the the same pigeon hole that your family inhabits. But I am not one that accepts your desires of conformity.

[pgt1027]

@IMPLR1369007

I'm not demanding that you conform. I'm not saying you should stop talking about being in the military. What I'm saying is that you're pretty damn proud of being ex-military and it's obvious. There's nothing at all wrong with that, but you shouldn't deny that fact.

[IMPLR1369007]

@pgt1027

Once again you jump to an incorrect conclusion. I have no pride about my military service beyond that of what I feel toward any other job, in fact, less than some others, as the military life has an abundance of flaws. In many ways service in the military is a "fools errand". I did like the day to day work, but the people in charge are largely politically motivated and people of the country (many who enter discussions here are unappreciative of what the military provides them.

[pgt1027]

@IMPLR1369007

And for the last goddamn time I AM NOT A LIBERAL. People who disagree with you are not automatically liberals. There's nothing wrong with being a liberal, I am just not one of them.

Also, about your use of the word "liberal". You keep using that word... I do not think it means what you think it means. The things that you count as characteristic of "liberals" could be applied to anyone of any political affiliation.

[IMPLR1369007]

@pgt1027

Spew whatever blather you like, your comments reveal otherwise.

[pgt1027]

What have I said that makes you think I'm a liberal?

[IMPLR1369007]

@pgt1027

No I retired because that was what I had planeed to do, in fact I stayed 2 years longer than originally planned, but Slick Willies BS was one of the myriad of reason for the timing of my decision, not a major motivator for the decision itself.

[IMPLR1369007]

@pgt1027

Just one more observation. You seem to post here as much if not more than I do. How interesting that an AmeriCorpse volunteer has more time on their hands than a RETIRED soldier to sit around BS'ing on the internet. That "active" volunteerism must be real tough duty?

[pgt1027]

@IMPLR1369007

You'll notice that I only post here on a certain time of day. We get some time off after a work day. That's when I post. Though, I'm currently on Winter break, so I'll be able to post whenever I like for a couple of weeks.

[IMPLR1369007]

@pgt1027

Many "Christians" participate in humanitarian organizations, for many reasons, some actually do it because they feel that doing good works will get them into heaven, others do good works without the governement, as Jesus said we should. For a true Christian, service to others is not only about helping others, that is actually a secondard concern, Obediance to Chists teachings is the primary concern.

[pgt1027]

@IMPLR1369007

Christ said that we should help people without the government? Quote and citation please.

And that's exactly what he's doing. AmeriCorps helps him obey Christ's teachings. I know there are other organizations that may do this, but AmeriCorps is still an acceptable option.

[IMPLR1369007]

@pgt1027

So now in your warped reality, government is a Godly function and I suppose that Saint Barry is your guardian angel. LOL@U

[pgt1027]

@IMPLR1369007

The government isn't particularly godly, not is it particularly ungodly. It's officially secular.

There's nothing in the Bible, as far as I know, which says that a person's good works can't be done as a part of the government.

[IMPLR1369007]

@pgt1027

There is nothing that says the works of a person cannot be with government, but how much of what AmeriCorps does is limited by government? Under the government, people are not free to do all that God calls them to do. Government restricts the good works a person might to and works are for a Christian an act of faith, how much faith is involved in a person doing what a bureaucrat decides they have to?

(Cont'd)

[pgt1027]

@IMPLR1369007

How is our work "limited" by the government? If we feel that God has called us to do something else in the community that AmeriCorps is not doing, we can do that thing in an Independant Service Project (ISP), a project that a CM starts on their own with a local non-profit. All NCCC CMs are required to get 80 ISP hours to graduate or 100 ISP hours including an ISP they hosted if they want the Presidential Award.

[IMPLR1369007]

@pgt1027

"How is our work "limited" by the government?"

By this statement are you saying that while working on AmeriCorps Projects, you are permitted to depart from the project and do missions that you personally feel are charitable, even if they are not approved by the decision makers at AmeriCorps? If not, then government through the hierarchy does limited by government. If you cannot go out and do ANY project you wish without interference, you are limited.

[pgt1027]

@IMPLR1369007

You do have to get them approved by one of the ULs. I have NEVER heard of them turning down a project. If they do, it's because the project violates already existing AmeriCorps regulation, not because they dislike the project. They can't just say "no". They have to have a valid reason for doing so. Specifically, if we're trying to do an ISP with ACORN or an organization that works with ACORN or if the ISP entails doing fundraising projects for the sponsor.

[IMPLR1369007]

@pgt1027

So you finally admit that you are not free to make your own choices. Whereas, the Bible looks for no such governmental restrictions and actually warns against them.

[pgt1027]

@IMPLR1369007

We are free to make our own choices. Those choices just have to fit inside AmeriCorps regulation (which is pretty relaxed) otherwise you can't wear your AmeriCorps uniform, cannot claim to represent AmeriCorps and the service that you perform won't count towards your ISP hours. You can still do it if you feel that's what God is calling you to do. Though, I can't see God despirately wanting me to work with ACORN or fundraise.

Also, other organizations have similar limitations.

[IMPLR1369007]

@pgt1027

And what you just described is counter to your comment about the union of government and "Christian works" you can try all of the semantic gymnastics you want but the fact remains that if you want to want to commit to a charitable act that is not in line with AmeriCorpse, designs or aims, you cannot do it during your committed time.

[IMPLR1369007]

@pgt1027

"Those choices just have to fit inside AmeriCorps regulation"

So AmeriCorpse feels like Henry Ford, who was attributed to have said about the Model T "You can have your car in any color you want as long as its BLACK."

[pgt1027]

@IMPLR1369007

Uh... no. AmeriCorps regulation is fairly loose. The rules are pretty much "You can do any sort of charitible work you want so long as it doesn't threaten to get us sued of defunded" which is reasonable. You'd see the same sort of thing in private non-profits. In fact, the code of the private non-profits would probably be even stricter. You CAN do unauthorized work during your committed time in AmeriCorps, it just won't count as ISP hours and you can't represent AmeriCorps.

[IMPLR1369007]

@pgt1027

Uh... no.

" Those choices just have to fit inside AmeriCorps regulation"

Doesn't sound much like freedom.

[pgt1027]

@IMPLR1369007

EVERYTHING has some degree of regulation. We live a fairly free existance in the United States, but we still don't have the freedom to kill or rape someone or burn their house down or steal things or whatever. That doesn't mean we aren't free.

We're free to pick any ISP we want provided that ISP won't get AmeriCorps into trouble. If they DID let CMs do any ISP they wanted whilst representing AmeriCorps, people like you would accuse them of corruption.

[IMPLR1369007]

@pgt1027

Odd, but try as I might, I have been unable to think of a charitable project that involves rape, pillage, or plundering. So much for your attempt at trying to justify the restrictions placed on you. Even in the Army, I was allowed to take on any community or charitable project I wished, and as an employee at Lockheed after my career in the Army I was not only allowed, but actually encouraged to take on extra curricular volunteer projects, even without government restrictions.

[pgt1027]

@IMPLR1369007

I'm not saying that there is a charitable project that involves rape, pillage or plundering. What I'm saying is that we live in a world with rules and restrictions.

And AmeriCorps members are also allowed to take on any charitable project they wish, it's just that they can only represent AmeriCorps and get ISP hours doing a project that won't get AmeriCorps into trouble for allowing. You CAN still do it, you just can't wear the AmeriCorps uniform.

[pgt1027]

@IMPLR1369007

Matthew 22:21 is about paying taxes and donating to the Church. Jesus says do both.

About James 2... we don't show favoritism. We help everyone. The second part says that Faith without Deeds is dead... well, if you have the faith, AmeriCorps will give you the deeds and the opprotunity to perform your own deeds as you feel called to do them.

[IMPLR1369007]

@pgt1027 Or are you free to refuse to do what AmeriCorps tells you after you join and sign your contract?

The Bible has several comments on the subject but as they are not tied together in a neat little politically approved sounds bite you would not comprehend them.

Matthew 22:21

James 2

[IMPLR1369007]

@pgt1027

As for my taking money without working, you need to read the regulations regarding military retirement and the specifications regarding retired status.

[pgt1027]

@IMPLR1369007

Just because it's legal doesn't make you less of a leech. Legality didn't stop you from criticizing AmeriCorps, after all. You're taking taxpayer money for not working. By definition, you are a leech on the system, regardless of how justified that may be.

[IMPLR1369007]

@pgt1027

Again go read the Regulations regarding military retirement, you'll find that up to age 60 I am open for recall to active duty and the money is a retainer not a hand out.

[pgt1027]

@IMPLR1369007

I suppose, then, that after age 60 you stop receiving money?

Regardless of if you can still be recalled into service, you're STILL receiving taxpayer money for doing nothing.

[IMPLR1369007]

@pgt1027

Good then for your "service" when you are sitting around the campus on your ass, you should recieve NOTHING, and only get paid for the time you are actually out working on a project that is designated as a national emergency. What's good for the Goose....

[pgt1027]

@IMPLR1369007

We work in more areas than disaster relief. We also work in education, environment, unmet human needs and public safety.

We aren't paid for the time we don't work. If we don't do our hours for whatever reason, it's deducted from our stipend. We do get paid over holidays, but there are plenty of people who take paid holidays. On top of that, we're expected to do lots of Independent Service Projects and Life After AmeriCorps activities, so they're more like working holidays

[pgt1027]

@IMPLR1369007

In response to you, basically what ThirdEyeLight said. Also, calling someone a "moron" does not imply a liberal tilt. I mentioned pay because it seemed that you had some confusions about AmeriCorps pay and whether or not we got free room and board. I wasn't complaining about the pay at all, just pointing out a fact.

[ThirdEyeLight]

Let me guess... You are a Glenn Beck fan? The americorps are not the Hitler Youth as he would like to say.

They must call people "volunteers" for legal purposes because most get paid well below minimum wage. The VISTA members like me are not allowed to have any other jobs so... yeah we need to eat too. It is not just a luxury as you may imagine. I get paid around $5 (sometimes less) an hour and work for a NFP org that helps elderly community members with home repair/maintenance projects.

[IMPLR1369007]

Beck is mildly entertaining but generally comes off as a loon. He's fun to watch as long as you don't take him seriously all the time.

So AmeriCorps only "calls" its employees "volunteers" for "legal purposes"??? Why obscure the facts? Is there something embarrassing about AmeriCorps?

If you don't like the job or pay you get from VISTA, then quit and get another job.

Don't try to play martyr then bitch about the consequences.

[ThirdEyeLight]

Who was bitching? I was telling you what I did and how much I made. Do you not agree with my right to eat?

You are obscuring the issue, they are not obscuring the facts. They must call people "volunteers" because it is illegal to pay ANYONE below minimum wage...

There is no martyrdom here. I like my job, you are insisting that I make money illegally in order to do it.

WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE ANOTHER JOB SO HOW WOULD WE LIVE?

[IMPLR1369007]

You would live by not signing up for that job and taking a job that will allow you to earn a living wage. No one forced you to join AmeriCorps just like no one forced me to join the Army. You live with your choices.

[IMPLR1369007]

ThirdEyeLight's comments:

My point is that the military is the same situation as the Americorps as far as pay goes.

Once again you don't know what you are talking about. For legal purposes I get a "Stipend"

My response:

False, The military pays a salary, AmeriCorps by your own admission pays a stipend.

[ThirdEyeLight]

OK true but stop quote mining and stay on topic. That is not what I meant.  I meant they are volunteers who get paid. Your contract says that you are willing to accept a salary that works out to minimum wage just like mine does. Like I said, I am not a lawyer.

[IMPLR1369007]

My Response:

According to the local office rep, you get room and board as well as a stipend. And even if you weren't spouting such BS, your ranting about getting low pay while helping the elderly is merely a stab sounding like a martyr.

If you are doing something noble, the pay does not matter nor does the hardship, it is the service that matters, but apparently you feel that noble acts must be adequately compensated, you missed the fact that such acts when compensated, lack any nobility.

[ThirdEyeLight]

That is false. I do not get room and board.

I have never once complained about getting low pay, I was explaining why we were called volunteers and why they would not be able to find volunteers for my position if they did not allow an outside job. WHICH THEY DO NOT.

The pay does not matter to me, I will be compensated adequately when I get my next job which is what I am doing it for, I never said it was selfless at all.

Use quotes showing my "ranting" about pay.

[IMPLR1369007]

"Like I said, I am not a lawyer."

Nor are you a person of any integrity, that is obvious.

[ThirdEyeLight]

What makes you say I have no integrity? I have told nothing but the truth. You are the person who lied about calling the Americorps line to ask questions.

[IMPLR1369007]

The people at the State AmeriCorps Office say you are full of BS

[ThirdEyeLight]

You are lying, you didn't talk to them. They would ask which program you were talking about and you would not be able to give them that answer.

If you want to see for yourself, you can go to the website and look at the FAQ section under each program. Notice under VISTA it does not guarantee room and board but under NCCC it does. NCCC you live on a campus. VISTA you either live on your own or you can have room and board with less of a stipend. It really just depends on the program.

[ThirdEyeLight]

Are you trying to say that the military makes minimum wage or more? I don't get it.

[IMPLR1369007]

ThirdEyeLight's comments:

Who was bitching? I was telling you what I did and how much I made. Do you not agree with my right to eat?

ThirdEyeLight's Contradicting himself:

The VISTA members like me are not allowed to have any other jobs so... yeah we need to eat too. It is not just a luxury as you may imagine.

[ThirdEyeLight]

Um there is no contradiction there...

[ThirdEyeLight]

this is a contradiction, smart fella...

"Like a true liberal loon you cannot justify your position so you resort to name calling, but that was expected."

Contradicting yourself within the same sentence is pretty impressive.

[IMPLR1369007]

You do suffer from mental retardation don't you? There is no cotradiction in that statement. You are a loon and you did resort to name calling, please point out the contradiction.

[ThirdEyeLight]

liberal loon is the name you are calling me smart guy.

You resorted to calling me a name based on the justification that my calling you a name made me the name you called me! Its quite simple really!

We are through here. I should really stop wasting your hard earned money hahaha.... How does it feel to know that you are literally paying me to argue with you?

[IMPLR1369007]

My applying a label to you is not a contradiction. I made no comment that was contradictory, if you had any intellect at all you would know that "hypocrisy' fits what was said, not "contradiction", that is, if I had said anything about myself that indicated that I was not going to call you a name, which I did not, but then you are too damned stupid to figure that out as well. Then there is the "integrity" issue, I did call, yet without evidence, you claim that I am lying, my point stands.

[ThirdEyeLight]

semantics.

OK then you are a hypocrite. Congratulations, that is much better!

HYPOCRITE Merriam webster:

1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion

2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

Thanks for admitting it. Now I will admit that I am not the hardest working person on earth for 5 dollars an hour! Integrity smegrity.

[IMPLR1369007]

@ThirdEyeLight

Once again you cherry pick for convenience and attempt to pidgeon hole others based on your desires rather than reality. Pointed out that the term I positied "would" apply based on your construct, better than the term you simply jumped at, but the fact remains that neither term applies, you simply wish they did.

[IMPLR1369007]

Actually, if you are being paid by AmeriCorps and spending your time on the computer all day you are not only afool but a thief as well, on the other hand you are paying me to sit here an laugh at your idiocy, as I get paid by your tax money as a military retiree. PISS OFF

[ThirdEyeLight]

Notice how the word contradiction appears in the definition of hypocrite? Interesting. If you had any intellect at all you would know the definition of hypocrite before allowing the label to be applied to yourself in defense of the claim that you were not contradictory.

Good luck spreading lies about the Americorps!

[ThirdEyeLight]

make up your mind, you are either a hypocrite or a liberal loon... Which is it?

Oh and also, I am not the one with the problem with paying taxes to military retirees... You have a problem with paying for the Americorps though. God bless the retirees, they are the reason I have my job!  Oh and if you think I am paying taxes right now you are nuts haha. Not on 850 a month, I don't think so.

[IMPLR1369007]

@ThirdEyeLight

Damn sonny boy, for someone who claims that we "are through here", you sure are long winded, like a typical liberal, even when you claim to be done talking you never do STFU.

[IMPLR1369007]

@ThirdEyeLight

Interesting that you make so many assumptions based on ignorance of the subject. But considering your silly statement, I spent roughly $37.50 a month on "laundry". This translates (based on your figures) to $150.75 a month on "laundry", this does not include the replacement of worn out and/or damaged uniforms, or replacements required due to uniform conversions.

[IMPLR1369007]

@ThirdEyeLight

Your assumption that I claimed (which I did not) to spend my entire paycheck on uniforms only continues to show your desperation in trying to justify your sad devotion to your phony bunch of saps pretending to be good Samaritans, at taxpayers expense. if you were truly interested in assisting the less fortunate, you'd do it for nothing while holding down a real job.

[ThirdEyeLight]

Next you will be telling me that slaves were not really slaves because they got free travel, food and water, shelter, and clothes on their back. You are a silly old man.

[IMPLR1369007]

No, but you are being willfully ignorant. Caucasian Americans have been berated for over 200 years, for slavery. But the people who now condemn caucasians, hypocritically ignore the wrong done to others by others. I will jump on the bandwagon for slave reparations, when Spain pays reparations to the Native Americans, England pays reparations to the German, Irish, and all other groups who were mistreated early on. African Americans are nothing special in this matter.

[MontyPython134]

It's more than just a volunteer group.

It's an actually youth brigade like Stalin and Hitler.They even have the facist colors:red white and black.Bunch of tools.

[pgt1027]

@MontyPython134 Black, Red and White are some of the colors AmeriCorps wears, but hardly the main ones.

In NCCC, Corps Members wear Grey, Team Leaders wear Green and Coordinators wear Blue. Hardly your fascist colors.

[ProFitofUnjustWorlds]

This is how hitler youth started just remember if you are asked to inspect homes in the name of staying green say no it is unconstitutional.

[4tiggers]

you DON'T need to work for ameriCorps to volunteer.

[240sxPerson]

feel bad for that girl, she has no idea what she is being used for...

[paulasotnik]

Fortunately, more than 250,000 AmeriCorps members will disagree with you. These individuals will also have a jumpstart on their futures and careers.

[ProFitofUnjustWorlds]

You should watch the wave it was an after school special but will show you truth.

[dracole79]

Brown Shirt Nazis