Your comments do nothing to dispute the overall point of the original video, you seem to have missed that point. The video maker, G0at, (who you fail to give credit too) does not believe in the Gods Bal, El, etc.. any more than you do, what he is saying is the the culture that supports Yahweh evolved from a culture that worshiped many gods. Yahweh as a monotheistic religion evolved from what was a polytheistic religion. The evidence supports that.
I don´t get this constant schoolboy bickering between believers and atheists. Everyone try to convince the others with proof. The fact is that none of the "proof" is important. What you believe in is your own , and to yours alone. And strenght comes from that-Unity is not everyone believing exactl the same-it´s living together despite differences. Love=Life Over Variation Eternal . God is a word for love and power. And there are many words for that power.
@jesperjee If your argument holds, then why build churches? Why have TV programs dedicated to worship? why preach on street corners? As an Atheist I have to live in a world torn to bits by religion, we need to speak out against it, or we are doomed to repeat the errors of the past. Dark ages etc...
@AtheistKiwi I understand your frustration! I really do. More often than not its the rational people that has to adept to the other people, because these people doesn´t seem willing or are to afraid to change their minds. I agree that tax money shouldn´t go to building churches etc.....But the freedom of speech thing is up for grabs to everyone. But religion SHOULD be a concious choice-NOT a demand from the goverment
@jesperjee I am not really sure I follow your arguement, but just as aside, if freedom of speech is so important, why do somany christian channels on youtube block and pending comment everything, they don't support free speech. It is christians to advocate against freespeech. I saw a christian video that even suggested non christians should not have the vote in the USA. I am not quite sure how this become a free speech discussion.
@AtheistKiwi What I am saying is that as long as we have freedom of speech they have the right t publish papers and have tvchannels etc....and use them as THEY see fit...And that is the problem...So if one has the right the others has the same right. BUT it shouldn´t be intergrated in society
@jesperjee Then I guessed you just answered your own question. We put across why they are wrong, using our freedom of speech. There is no real evidence for the god of the bible or any god.
@AtheistKiwi Yes of course! WE can do what WE want as well..But to prove someone wrong when it comes to faith is close to impossible because it´s faith..The best thing is to hope that people start to think for themselves. And NOT let faith be a part of politics and thrust upon society were un-religious people have to be bothered by it.
Hopefully someday soon churches are taxed as everything else and religion is something people can choose to be apart of if they are interested.
Shachar is the father of Helel (Lucifer) who has the title of "light-bringer" or "morning star", an epithet later ascribed to Jesus. Lucifer was a name for the planet Venus.
Helel and Shachar appear in Isaiah 14:12, in the phrase "Helel, ben Shachar", which translates to "Morning Star, son of the Dawn" or "Lucifer, son of the Morning".
The Helel / Lucifer myth later became associated with Satan.
In the Mesopotamian mythology, Dagon (Enlil) rapes Asherah and has three sons: Namtar, Shachar and Shalim who became gods of death, plague and pestilence.
Judah and Israel, while seemingly of the same faith, actually preferred different gods. While Yahweh and El were partially fused, as Yahweh-El, Yahweh was the god of Judah, and Yahweh-El was the god of Israel, whose name means "El shall reign."
The Israelite tribes of the north, who had syncretized Yahweh with Bull-El of the Canaanites, were seething with anger at the Judah tribesmen of the south, worshippers of Yahweh and antagonists of the El and Baal cults. Jeroboam now became the leader of the angry northern tribes, who rose up in arms against King Solomon.
Jeroboam, the hero of the Israelite revolt, became king of Israel around 922 B.C.E. and reigned until 901 B.C.E. Jeroboam's god was Yahweh-El in the shape of a bull, later known as Yahweh Shomron after the new capital of the Israelite kingdom. (Samaria)
"Elohim in not mentioned within the Canaanites scriptures." @ 2:08
Ugaritic religion centered on the chief god, Ilu or El, whose titles included "Father of mankind" and "Creator of the creation." The Court of El was referred to as the (plural) 'lhm or Elohim, a word later used by the biblical writers to describe the Hebrew deity and translated into English as "God," in the singular.
There were other names for Levantine deities which became synonymous for their status or title of "god". El is the name for the patriarchical Canaanite deity, but can also just mean "god". This is why El is combined with epithets and appears in different forms to give it more meaning (such as El Shaddai, El Yisrael, Elohim, and Immanuel). El without context is taken to mean El Elyon, just as Ba'al without context is taken to mean Ba'al Hadad.
"Hadad" was a sacred name, not to be spoken by anyone but high priests. So the people took to calling their deity Ba'al (the Lord), just as Hebrews do not speak the holy name of their deity, commonly transliterated in English as "Yahweh". They call him Elohim (the Lord).
Elyon is identified as the Phoenician deity Elioun, called "The Most High". He was separate from Elus, the supreme god who corresponds with Levantine 'El' and Greek 'Cronus'.
Elioun was married to Beruth (possibly the city Beirut), and together they birthed Sky and Earth. Among the children of Sky and Earth were El, Bethel, Dagon, Anat, and El's three wives: Astarte, Asherah, and Baalat Gebal.
correction: Anat was a daughter of El, not his father Sky.
Sky and Earth separated in hostility, but Sky insisted on continuing to force himself on Earth and attempted to destroy the children born of such unions until El, with the advice of his daughter Anat and the god Thoth attacked his father Sky with a sickle and spear of iron, castrated him and drove him off for ever.
El and his allies the Elohim gained Sky's kingdom, but one of his concubines who was given to El's brother Dagon was already pregnant by Sky and gave birth to Ba'al Hadad, who became an ally of his grandfather Sky and began to make war on El.
Sanchuniathon told that El beheaded one of his daughters and slew his own son Sadidus. (a name some think might be a corruption of Shaddai, one of the epithets of the Biblical El)
On the occurrence of a pestilence and mortality El offers his only begotten son (perhaps referring to Sadidus) as a whole burnt-offering to his father Sky and circumcises himself, compelling his allies also to do the same.
Another account of the sacrifice appeared later, with fuller detail:
It was a custom of the ancients in great crises of danger for the rulers of a city or nation, in order to avert the common ruin, to give up the most beloved of their children for sacrifice as a ransom to the avenging daemons.
El had by a nymph of the country named Anobret an only begotten son, called Iedud, and when very great dangers from war had beset the country, he arrayed his son in royal apparel, and prepared an altar, and sacrificed him.
There is no invisible magic man hiding in the sky that wants to torture those that do not believe he exists. Nothing you ever do or refute will ever prove the nonsense of that belief.
LOL it wasn't a spoken language by they could translate the text. Ugh . The links are clear and factual. Sourcing the bible vs the dead sea scrolls and babylonian myths doesn't come close to disproving the links. LOL Believe what you want people. Your worshipping a babylonian god,
You failed to address the multiple gods mentioned by the original video. With the exception of Baal of course. These would include on female god or mate as the original video suggested.
I don't need to adress them. Those are god's of other cultures like the Canaanites. They have been destroyed by the jews as the bible tells. YHWH says in the Bible do not do as they do where I am bringing you. So the claim that YHWH is a son of El Elyon is nonesense. YHWH is El Elyon as the bible says. The guy who did the video used the diffrent names and titles from the Hebrew Bible God and replaced them as indipendent Gods.
You are a fool, that is what Goat was saying. That the present bible is a bastardized version of the ancient texts. El and Yahweh have been amalgamated into one god in the modern bible, but in the dead sea scrolls they were different gods!!
I think you missed the point MrMudd...
hhaugan 1 year ago
Your comments do nothing to dispute the overall point of the original video, you seem to have missed that point. The video maker, G0at, (who you fail to give credit too) does not believe in the Gods Bal, El, etc.. any more than you do, what he is saying is the the culture that supports Yahweh evolved from a culture that worshiped many gods. Yahweh as a monotheistic religion evolved from what was a polytheistic religion. The evidence supports that.
AtheistKiwi 1 year ago
Deuteronomy 32:8-9 any one?
HybridD91 1 year ago
I don´t get this constant schoolboy bickering between believers and atheists. Everyone try to convince the others with proof. The fact is that none of the "proof" is important. What you believe in is your own , and to yours alone. And strenght comes from that-Unity is not everyone believing exactl the same-it´s living together despite differences. Love=Life Over Variation Eternal . God is a word for love and power. And there are many words for that power.
jesperjee 1 year ago
@jesperjee If your argument holds, then why build churches? Why have TV programs dedicated to worship? why preach on street corners? As an Atheist I have to live in a world torn to bits by religion, we need to speak out against it, or we are doomed to repeat the errors of the past. Dark ages etc...
AtheistKiwi 1 year ago
@AtheistKiwi I understand your frustration! I really do. More often than not its the rational people that has to adept to the other people, because these people doesn´t seem willing or are to afraid to change their minds. I agree that tax money shouldn´t go to building churches etc.....But the freedom of speech thing is up for grabs to everyone. But religion SHOULD be a concious choice-NOT a demand from the goverment
jesperjee 1 year ago
@jesperjee I am not really sure I follow your arguement, but just as aside, if freedom of speech is so important, why do somany christian channels on youtube block and pending comment everything, they don't support free speech. It is christians to advocate against freespeech. I saw a christian video that even suggested non christians should not have the vote in the USA. I am not quite sure how this become a free speech discussion.
AtheistKiwi 1 year ago
@AtheistKiwi What I am saying is that as long as we have freedom of speech they have the right t publish papers and have tvchannels etc....and use them as THEY see fit...And that is the problem...So if one has the right the others has the same right. BUT it shouldn´t be intergrated in society
jesperjee 1 year ago
@jesperjee Then I guessed you just answered your own question. We put across why they are wrong, using our freedom of speech. There is no real evidence for the god of the bible or any god.
AtheistKiwi 1 year ago
@AtheistKiwi Yes of course! WE can do what WE want as well..But to prove someone wrong when it comes to faith is close to impossible because it´s faith..The best thing is to hope that people start to think for themselves. And NOT let faith be a part of politics and thrust upon society were un-religious people have to be bothered by it.
Hopefully someday soon churches are taxed as everything else and religion is something people can choose to be apart of if they are interested.
jesperjee 1 year ago
@jesperjee That works for me.
AtheistKiwi 1 year ago
You're just playing with the translations. I wish I could read all languages
123Atheist 2 years ago
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MavericKLongRange 2 years ago
Shachar ("Dawn") and Shalim ("Dusk") @ 2:31
Shachar is the father of Helel (Lucifer) who has the title of "light-bringer" or "morning star", an epithet later ascribed to Jesus. Lucifer was a name for the planet Venus.
Helel and Shachar appear in Isaiah 14:12, in the phrase "Helel, ben Shachar", which translates to "Morning Star, son of the Dawn" or "Lucifer, son of the Morning".
narkfly 2 years ago
The Helel / Lucifer myth later became associated with Satan.
In the Mesopotamian mythology, Dagon (Enlil) rapes Asherah and has three sons: Namtar, Shachar and Shalim who became gods of death, plague and pestilence.
narkfly 2 years ago
"Their El(God) is Toru(Bull) El Toru God the Bull." @ 2:14
Deutoronomy 32:8-9 of the Dead Sea scrolls reads:
When Elyon gave the nations an inheritance,
when he divided humankind,
he set the bounds of the peoples
according to the number of Bull Els children,
and Yahwehs portion was his people,
Jacob, the lot of his inheritance.
When the Masoretes altered the text in the Middle Ages, they removed the henotheistic link to Bull-El and the distinction between him and Yahweh.
narkfly 2 years ago
Judah and Israel, while seemingly of the same faith, actually preferred different gods. While Yahweh and El were partially fused, as Yahweh-El, Yahweh was the god of Judah, and Yahweh-El was the god of Israel, whose name means "El shall reign."
narkfly 2 years ago
The Israelite tribes of the north, who had syncretized Yahweh with Bull-El of the Canaanites, were seething with anger at the Judah tribesmen of the south, worshippers of Yahweh and antagonists of the El and Baal cults. Jeroboam now became the leader of the angry northern tribes, who rose up in arms against King Solomon.
narkfly 2 years ago
Jeroboam, the hero of the Israelite revolt, became king of Israel around 922 B.C.E. and reigned until 901 B.C.E. Jeroboam's god was Yahweh-El in the shape of a bull, later known as Yahweh Shomron after the new capital of the Israelite kingdom. (Samaria)
narkfly 2 years ago
"Elohim in not mentioned within the Canaanites scriptures." @ 2:08
Ugaritic religion centered on the chief god, Ilu or El, whose titles included "Father of mankind" and "Creator of the creation." The Court of El was referred to as the (plural) 'lhm or Elohim, a word later used by the biblical writers to describe the Hebrew deity and translated into English as "God," in the singular.
narkfly 2 years ago
"Baal means the Lord..."
There were other names for Levantine deities which became synonymous for their status or title of "god". El is the name for the patriarchical Canaanite deity, but can also just mean "god". This is why El is combined with epithets and appears in different forms to give it more meaning (such as El Shaddai, El Yisrael, Elohim, and Immanuel). El without context is taken to mean El Elyon, just as Ba'al without context is taken to mean Ba'al Hadad.
narkfly 2 years ago
"Hadad" was a sacred name, not to be spoken by anyone but high priests. So the people took to calling their deity Ba'al (the Lord), just as Hebrews do not speak the holy name of their deity, commonly transliterated in English as "Yahweh". They call him Elohim (the Lord).
narkfly 2 years ago
Elyon is identified as the Phoenician deity Elioun, called "The Most High". He was separate from Elus, the supreme god who corresponds with Levantine 'El' and Greek 'Cronus'.
Elioun was married to Beruth (possibly the city Beirut), and together they birthed Sky and Earth. Among the children of Sky and Earth were El, Bethel, Dagon, Anat, and El's three wives: Astarte, Asherah, and Baalat Gebal.
narkfly 2 years ago
correction: Anat was a daughter of El, not his father Sky.
Sky and Earth separated in hostility, but Sky insisted on continuing to force himself on Earth and attempted to destroy the children born of such unions until El, with the advice of his daughter Anat and the god Thoth attacked his father Sky with a sickle and spear of iron, castrated him and drove him off for ever.
narkfly 2 years ago
El and his allies the Elohim gained Sky's kingdom, but one of his concubines who was given to El's brother Dagon was already pregnant by Sky and gave birth to Ba'al Hadad, who became an ally of his grandfather Sky and began to make war on El.
narkfly 2 years ago
Sanchuniathon told that El beheaded one of his daughters and slew his own son Sadidus. (a name some think might be a corruption of Shaddai, one of the epithets of the Biblical El)
On the occurrence of a pestilence and mortality El offers his only begotten son (perhaps referring to Sadidus) as a whole burnt-offering to his father Sky and circumcises himself, compelling his allies also to do the same.
Another account of the sacrifice appeared later, with fuller detail:
narkfly 2 years ago
It was a custom of the ancients in great crises of danger for the rulers of a city or nation, in order to avert the common ruin, to give up the most beloved of their children for sacrifice as a ransom to the avenging daemons.
El had by a nymph of the country named Anobret an only begotten son, called Iedud, and when very great dangers from war had beset the country, he arrayed his son in royal apparel, and prepared an altar, and sacrificed him.
narkfly 2 years ago
There is no invisible magic man hiding in the sky that wants to torture those that do not believe he exists. Nothing you ever do or refute will ever prove the nonsense of that belief.
InfidelisMax 2 years ago
LOL it wasn't a spoken language by they could translate the text. Ugh . The links are clear and factual. Sourcing the bible vs the dead sea scrolls and babylonian myths doesn't come close to disproving the links. LOL Believe what you want people. Your worshipping a babylonian god,
nessik13 3 years ago 3
wow, you didn't refute a single thing. nice job.
cirricirri 3 years ago 3
Thank you for this video ;)
Yesheyah 3 years ago
seems like goat got PWNED....again.
diuryl 3 years ago
This is a very good reponse, I must applaud you.
TupsAngel 3 years ago
praise God! great response, what a silly thing for g0at to say, with no real research..
thegreatace 3 years ago
You failed to address the multiple gods mentioned by the original video. With the exception of Baal of course. These would include on female god or mate as the original video suggested.
lifelongfriendjeff 3 years ago 3
I don't need to adress them. Those are god's of other cultures like the Canaanites. They have been destroyed by the jews as the bible tells. YHWH says in the Bible do not do as they do where I am bringing you. So the claim that YHWH is a son of El Elyon is nonesense. YHWH is El Elyon as the bible says. The guy who did the video used the diffrent names and titles from the Hebrew Bible God and replaced them as indipendent Gods.
MrMudd1988 3 years ago
You failed to back up your claim that Yahweh is El Elyon.
Heathenfidel 2 years ago 2
Genisis 17:1 And YHWH (Yahweh) appeared to Abram and said: I am El Elyon.
:)
MrMudd1988 2 years ago
You are a fool, that is what Goat was saying. That the present bible is a bastardized version of the ancient texts. El and Yahweh have been amalgamated into one god in the modern bible, but in the dead sea scrolls they were different gods!!
nedbeaty72 2 years ago
@MrMudd1988 El Elyon was a Cannanite god, not Yahweh. I know this is a year old comment, but :/
HybridD91 1 year ago
Well done!
AwokenSpirit 4 years ago
Thnak you sir/mam!
MrMudd1988 3 years ago