They were in international waters. Israeli soldiers had no right to board the ship. Based on that and knowing what Israeli soldiers do to civilians in Gaza they defended themselves. To understand the whole conflict its good to read about crusades.
You mean this flotilla a peace ship? Look how violent they can get and ready to die violently too. Shame on you Turkey, shame on you. Turkey should consider changing the country's name to Chicken, its more appropriate.
There were clashes only on a single ship, the rest of the convoy was unharmed. Israel has the right to security and to stop its enemy (Hamas, Hesbollah) from getting its hands on weapons. They only wanted to scour the ship for weapons and not to stop aids reaching Gaza. If some use such actions to supply the Palestine with weaponry than this is no longer a civilian humanitarian action but a shear military one the Israeli have the right to intervene.
@earlyAMbirds Are you retarded? We are talking on the subject of Mavi Marmara. Why does where i live at has anything to do with anything? Those who became volunteers on the Mavi Marmara even include a Britain named Grace, who are obviously Christian. This is humanity issue. Or are you angry because only Israeli people support Jews since Jews are religion exclusive to Israeli, and jealous that Muslims from all race- China, Asia, America, Africa and Britain are not supporting u? Who's the bastard?
From the dialogue with you,I found that you do not want to correct information, or inquire about, but insists on charges, and you want to argue, not dialogue, this will be the last response, and thank you
@pharaos80 by dialog you mean that i should agree with you? i'm asking some valid questions, and because you can't answer, you say that i'm insisting on charging on you? nobody asked you to comment on the video that i uploaded, and it happens to be that you charged first by saying that the Israelis are wrong, I have to defend my position, so i'm asking on why you don't agree with me, so far it seem because you agree with Hamas.
@pharaos80 and what do you consider correct information? just because thats what you were told and what you think doesn't mean that it's correct. the only way to find out the truth is by questioning, ohh i forgot in Islam you can't question!
Ibn Hanbal, Musnad - “Prophet Muhammad said, "Lying is wrong, except in three things: the lie of a man to his wife to make her content with him; a lie to an enemy, for war is deception; or a lie to settle trouble between people.”
wackedhacker Correctly. It reflects the vision of a man was a genius. He was ahead of his time. You should examine the words to see their depth and validity
I am very sorry that you are trying to carve out portions of the Hadith and the Koran to prove wrong ideas about Islam, and of course transferred from their places of hostile and unwilling to Islam, but I tell you it's all bring a response. I suggest you stop this useless arguments, which will not change the convictions of one of us. And welcome to respond to any inquiries from you about false and distorted information you have and thank you
What is the justification for this ugly song at your site that the government of Israel apologized for. It seems that your heart has been harsher than all the leaders of Israel, I'll let you what you are in
@pharaos80 my question to you is, which verses do you take literally and which ones do you do you need an interpretation. in Judaism there are rules on how to learn the Torah and how to interpret it. but at the end of the day you have to look at the Muslim, on how they behave to see what Islam says.
so are you ready to condemn Al-Qaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas, all the Arabs that rioted in Palestine and killed hundreds of Jews? or do you agree with them because thats what Islam says to do? cont
@pharaos80 Are you ready to condemn the Syrians for firing shells on innocent Israeli farmers until 1967, the the massacres in Darfur, the massacre(genocide) of the Armenians, and many more?
@wackedhacker give me your opinion about these well known events by Arabs:
1 - the massacre of the villages of Sheikh and senses on 31 December 1947, which killed nearly 30 people dead and wounded, mostly women and children
2 massacre in the village of Sasa 14 to 15 February 1948 which resulted in the destruction of 20 houses over the heads of their inhabitants and the death of 60 Arabs, mostly women and children
@pharaos80 December 31, 1947, The Palmach, an arm of the Haganah, attacked the town Balad al-Shaykh while the residents were asleep, firing from the slopes of Mount Carmel, in retribution for the killing of 39 Jews during the Haifa Oil Refinery massacre the day before, 30 December 1947,
@pharaos80 which itself was in response to the attack by operatives of the Zionist paramilitary group, the Irgun, who threw a number of grenades at a crowd of 100 Arab day laborers who had gathered outside the main gate of the British-owned Haifa Oil refinery looking for work, resulting in 6 deaths and 42 wounded.
@pharaos80 The Jewish agency condemned the Irgun for the "act of madness" that preceded the killing of Jewish workers at the Haifa oil refinery but at the same time authorized the raid on Balad al-Shaykh
@wackedhacker 3 massacre in Rehovot February 27, 1948 in the city of Haifa, where a train was blown up Kantara which resulted in the deaths of 27 Arabs and injuring 36 others
4 massacre of Kafr El-Hussein, on 13 March 1948, the Haganah attack on the village and destroyed, resulting in the deaths of 30 Arabs. As committed in the twenty-seventh of the same month 2 massacres in the same position resulted in the deaths of 64 Arabs and injuring more than 120 others
@wackedhacker5 massacre of Deir Yassin on the ninth of April 1948 committed by military organizations argon and Stern has claimed the lives of some 260 Arab residents from the village
6 massacre of Nasir al-Din in the April 14, 1948 when troops ( units of Zionist military secret "undercover soldiers" )opened fire on the residents of the village completely destroyed with no survivors, only 40 Arab
@wackedhacker 11 The IDF force on 29 March 1954 entered into the West Bank until it reached the village of Mkhalin near Bethlehem, where she had a quantity of bombs on population centers and set mines in the houses of the village, have resulted in killing 14 Arabs and injuring 14 others
@wackedhacker 13 The massacre of the Gaza Strip in two of the February 1955 massacre of 39 killed and 33 wounded, in the fourth and the fifth of April of 1956 the Israeli army artillery bombarded the city of Gaza, where killed 56 Arabs and injuring 103 others
@wackedhacker 15 On the thirtieth of May of the same year, the Zionist forces committed another massacre in the town of Khan Younis claimed the lives of 20 people and wounding 20 others, followed by another aggression in the first of September of the year killing 46 Arabs and injuring 50
@pharaos80 with all the massacres that you brought, although some of them are controversial, i personally condemn it, and from a Judaism prospective i condemn it.
(besides for the point that Zionism doesn't represent Judaism, orthodox religious Jews don't agree with Zionism). now do you condemn all the the massacres that the Arabs did? do you condemn terrorist act done by Hamas and the PLO in the name of Islam?
@wackedhacker If they harm non-combatants and non-aggressors, and destroy property and terrorize peaceful citizens, I disagree. and they do not express Islam, and vice versa.
@wackedhacker Why deal with the groups perspective is not balanced. What do you say if I said that those groups that have killed Arabs (who are Jews in the end), representing the Jewish religion
@pharaos80 1. you don't get to decide who represents Judaism.
2. if you ask any Jew that is well versed in Torah and Talmud, he will tell that they are not the representatives of the Jews.
3. that is what puts it in prospective, why are there so many Islamic groups doing terrorist acts in the mid-east while there are so little Jewish groups? and why do all these groups get so much support from Muslims? after all you say that Islam is a peaceful religion!?
@pharaos80 Quwwat Al-Sa'eqa Black September (operated mainly in the 1970s) Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades Abu Reish Brigades Fatah Hawks Force 17 Hamas Islamic Jihad Hezbollah As-Sa'iqa Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades Omar Ben al-Khatib Warriors Palestine Liberation Front Palestinian Islamic Jihad Movement Palestinian Popular Struggle Front Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine Popular Resistance Committees Tanzim 15 May Organization Abu Ali Mustapha Brigades Arab Liberation Front
Jihad in Islam, its terms and provisions of the restrictions can not possibly be included in the framework of the so-called terrorism today is also common and some of the media. Terrorism in the contemporary term is: regulated use of illegal violence, or threat thereof, with a view to the loss of innocent lives, assassinations and hostage-taking and destruction of property and pollution of the environment, by any individual, group or organization or country
@pharaos80 the definition of terrorism is: the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear. not just using violence.
“And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans....” (Surah 9:3)
Sahih al-Bukhari - “The Prophet said, ‘If I take an oath and later find something else better than that, then I do what is better and expiate my oath.’”
@wackedhacker He was not the prophet he was Abobakr when he swear not to spend on a poor man because of his bad manners then Allah said in Quran (([24.22] Let not those among you who are endued with grace and amplitude of means resolve by oath against helping their kinsmen, those in want, and those who have left their homes in Allah's cause: let them forgive and overlook: do you not wish that Allah should forgive you? For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.))
@wackedhacker The darkest pages of history, who was accused falsely by Islam in the modern era and does not represent Islam, but in the eyes of his enemies.
In 1950, half a million Hindus were butchered(by Muslims), and in 1971, during Bangladesh's war for independence from Pakistan, Pakistani(Muslim) soldiers murdered between 1.25 and 3 million Hindus and other religious minorities
Ibn Khaldun (1332-1406), who was a jurist of the Maliki legal school affirmed the duty of Islam to gain power over other nations when he stated,
"In the Muslim community, the holy war is a religious duty, because of the universalism of the Muslim mission and (the obligation to) convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force. Therefore, caliphate and royal authority are united in Islam, so that the person in charge can devote the available strength to both of them at the same."
@wackedhacker Jihad is of four kinds: jihad of the soul, the demons and jihad against the infidels, jihad against the hypocrites. And that the jihad of the soul Striving to learn the teachings, and work after learning, and advocacy, and patience on the hardships of the call to God Jihad the demons : The struggle to pay a person to cast doubts and desires, provoking doubts in the faith, and jihad on certainty of corrupt wills and desires,
@pharaos80 by "self" you mean even if it will kill you? why should you get killed trying to "convince" someone? or maybe it means that you have to use all your resources to get them to convert? including lying, bribing, etc..? how do you fit it in with other verses that say to be violent?
@wackedhacker The perception of the overall comprehensiveness of the texts of the Koran is true Sunnah of the Prophet shows that the basis for the relations of Muslims with other is the relationship of compassion, love and righteousness, communication and mutual understanding and peaceful coexistence, solidarity and love of goodness and guidance to all, says: cont.
@pharaos80 I have a question for you, please don't take it as an attack on you.
did you ever question the credibility of the Qur'an, the creditability of Muhammad? after all nobody saw him getting any message from G-D(Allah), In Judaism there are rules on how to believe someone when he says that he is prophet, are there any in Islam? The torah was given to over 600,000 Jews between the ages of 20 and 60 besides for the older men, the women and children, millions of Jews.
@wackedhacker Asked Jewish cleric Medina: how to find the Messenger of Allah described in the Torah? He said: ((, born in Mecca and reach to the rule of Syria & not doing evil and do not call loudly in markets, and do not reward bad by bad, and forgive and pardon
@pharaos80 where does that say that? that Jewish cleric was a heretic. and just because Muhammad said that he's the prophet and the jews and the christians preverted the books doesn't mean it's true, because the jews and the christians say that the Qur'an is distorted, so why should anybody believe the muslims over the jews or the christians?
@pharaos80 the muslims say that Muhammad is the prophet, christians say that jesus is the prophet and the messiah, and the jews say that neither of them is a prophet or the messiah, so who should i believe and why? i believe the jews because what was written in the Torah was given over to over 600,000 men between the age of 20 and 60, millions of people, and was told over from generation to generation(tradition), and goes back way before christianity and islam.
@wackedhacker He also said: His nation thanks God in every case.mentioning his name in honor of all, shepherds of the sun, are praying the prayer if it came and voices in the night sky voices like Bees
@pharaos80 and you call that a reliable source? how can it be reliable if it doesn't show the errors of both sides? if it's biased against Israel? and don't tell me because it's the truth. because we all know that Israel is not the only wrong one in the mid-east. BTW how do you explain you countries call to slaughter the Jews in 1967? Itbah Al-Yahud, no!? where were all you Muslim peace then?
(49,13) O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise each other).Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full Knowledge and is well-acquainted (with all things).
[60, 8] Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just.
[60, 9] Allah only forbids you, with regard to those who fight you for (your) Faith, and drive you out, of your homes, and support (others) in driving you out, from turning to them (for friendship and protection). It is such as turn to them (in these circumstances), that do wrong.
Jihad in the field of battle, which is referred to in the Qur'an the word "fight", in order to defend the self-reported aggression, as the consensus of scholars [(2.190) Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors. ][22,39] To those against whom war is made, permission is given (to fight), because they are wronged; and verily, Allah is Most Powerful for their aid]
[22, 40] (They are) those who have been expelled from their homes in defiance of right, (for no cause) except that they say, "Our Lord is Allah." Did not Allah check one set of people by means of another there would surely have been pulled down monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques, in which the name of Allah is commemorated in abundant measure. Allah will certainly aid those who aid His (cause); for verily Allah is Full of Strength, Exalted in Might, (able to enforce His Will).
Jihad conditions and severe restrictions on the Muslim behavior in the field of battle, such as not to harm non-combatants and non-aggressors, and not to destroy property and terrorize peaceful citizens
Islam abolished all kinds of fighting in order to devote personal benefit, or to perpetuate the glory of national or ethnic origin, or the acquisition of land and property of others, or fighting for coercion in religion and get people to enter Islam [(2. 256)Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error]
[10, 99]If it had been thy Lord's Will, they would all have believed, all who are on earth! Wilt thou then compel mankind, against their will, to believe!
[10, 100] No soul can believe, except by the Will of Allah, and He will place Doubt (or obscurity) on those who will not understand.
"Fight Jews and Christians because they violated the origin of their faith and they do not believe in the religion of the truth (Islam), which abrogated all other religions. Fight them until they pay the poll-tax (Ziziya tax) with submission and humiliation."
@wackedhacker9:29, Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
[61.8] Their intention is to extinguish Allah's Light (by blowing) with their mouths: but Allah will complete (the revelation of) His Light, even though the Unbelievers may detest (it).
109.1] Say: O ye that reject Faith! [2] I worship not that which ye worship,
[3] Nor will ye worship that which I worship. [4] And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, [5] Nor will ye worship that which I worship. [6] To you be your Way, and to me mine.
@pharaos80 so if Israel would be ruled by Jews, then all the Jews would have to pay special taxes, just because they are not Muslims? maybe all the Arab Israelis should start paying taxes to live in Israel because they are not Jewish!?
@wackedhacker It is the suspicions raised by the enemies of Islam, the issue of Al Jizyah that enveloped cast a bleak, black and interpretations, made non muslims live in the muslim lands shock at the mere mention of the name, it is in their tax humiliation, and punishment imposed on them compared to refrain from Islam (cont.)
@wackedhacker Indeed, it is not, what was but instead imposed the two obligatory prayers for Muslims, namely: Jihad and zakat, and given the religious nature of these which not required by non-Muslims. In the case of participation of non-Muslims in the military service and defense of the country, the tribute to their fall
@wackedhacker Take the tax from non-Muslims by equal (zakat), to equal the Muslims in the financial obligations, though not named as "Zakat" Given the sensitivity of this title given to the two teams. Need not also be called "tribute or Jizyah" as long as they refuse to do so. One of the rulers of Muslims call it the charity taxes instead of tribute . not to annoy them. As with labels not names
I think Israel navy officers put an end to this discussion: ""First and foremost, we protest the fact that responsibility for the tragic results was immediately thrust onto the organizers of the flotilla," wrote the officers. "This demonstrates contempt for the responsibility that belongs principally to the hierarchy of commanders and those who approved the mission. This shows contempt for the values of professionalism, the purity of weapons and for human lives." (haaretz)
If you look closely to the soldier who's coming down first. Then you will see that he's kicking a passenger hard in the face with his foot, directly after that action the passengers are handling in an accepted and allowed manner to defend them self against the soldiers. The soldiers didn't come to control, it seems they were there to kill.
Thousand 's of kassam rockets were launched into Isreal by iranian backed hamas before Isreal struck back during the last incursion . Isreal showed great restraint, if it were any other nation far less restraint would have been required to use force against their aggressors. Boarding ships is neccessary by the IDF to insure no arms, munitions or more rockets getting into palestine. Isreal is under a microscope by the anti -semetic , pro islamofascist un and international press.
Muslims do not recognize any religion, Koran written Tkper, Holy War that says all Muslims To fight the infidels And kill them to believe in Islam,,,According to Islam who do not believe in Islam death sentence You see what a holy war for Muslims Not love and respect others No Freedom But total submission to Islam forcibly,,, You know what is written in our Torah...... Derech Eretz Torah preceded That means good manners and respect for others,,,,Before the Torah,,,,,, That's the difference,
Although the records of Israeli soldiers murdering 19 people and injuring others were destroyed by the soldiers, the result is known. And nothing can make them justified. They have no right to get on people's ship without their permission (in international waters), they have no right to kidnap them, they have no right to kill them. So stop trying to wash their dirty hands by nonsense comments here.
@FJYardley People should think more. I like asking questions, and until the most important ones are answered, I stand by my convictions. So believe what you will, just please don't do it blindly.
@FJYardley : You imply at racism from either party by using the term "Kaffirs", and yet you do not know what I look like. You defend irrational faux-military tactics used in a highly dangerous boarding procedure, in "war time", on "enemy combatants", on "open internationsl waters", with "paintball guns". Any other commander would have disabled the boat propellers or barred passage but not put troops deliberately in harms way. So yeah, let's believe the "leaked video" shot with night vision.
One question to every one, why the jews were living in arab countries, till 1948 specially in Morocco, Tunisia & Egypt, because they were live in peace with muslims who believe in the right of every one to live. In the time they were humiliated & slaughtered by the Nazis , and the Inquisition in the dark middle ages of Europe. Is this the reward for palestinians to be murdered and expulsion from their land
@pharaos80 Jews lived in Morocco for some 2,000 years during which they sometimes enjoyed full rights and sometimes were slaughtered by the hundreds. In 1948, when the tiny newborn nation of Israel was founded following the UN resolution of Nov.29, 1947, Israel was attacked by the armies of 7 Arab nations. After the war, Jews were persecuted in the Arab countries and most of them left their homes leaving most of their money and belongings, because they weren't allowed to take it with them.
@pharaos80 your asking if thats how the Palestinians should be rewarded, but let me remind you that the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem (one of the Arabs leaders in Palestine) during WW2 encouraged and helped the Nazis kill Jews.
@wackedhacker Do not try to stick the charge of one of the Nazi crimes of the Arabs. We do not have any hands with Hitler did to the Jews. The mere fact of a meeting between people does not explain anything. If the former U.S. Defense Secretary Rumsfeld met Saddam Does that explain you something. If Japan was the partner of Germany in WW2, is it was a partner of Hitler in the massacres of the Jews??
@pharaos80 Back in the summer of 1940 and again in February 1941, al-Hussayni submitted to the German government a draft declaration of German-Arab cooperation, containing a clause:
Germany and Italy recognize the right of the Arab countries to solve the question of the Jewish elements, which exist in Palestine and in the other Arab countries, as required by the national and ethnic (völkisch) interests of the Arabs, and as the Jewish question was solved in Germany and Italy.
@pharaos80 On March 1, 1944, while speaking on Radio Berlin, al-Husayni (Grand Mufti of Jerusalem)said: 'Arabs, rise as one man and fight for your sacred rights. Kill the Jews wherever you find them. This pleases God, history, and religion. This saves your honor. God is with you.
@pharaos80 On November 20, al-Husayni met the German Foreign Minister Joachim von Ribbentrop and was officially received by Adolf Hitler on November 28. He asked Hitler for a public declaration that "recognized and sympathized with the Arab struggles for independence and liberation, and that would support the elimination of a national Jewish homeland"
@pharaos80 One of Adolf Eichmann's deputies, Dieter Wisliceny, stated after the war that the Mufti had actively encouraged the extermination of European Jews, and that he had had an elaborate meeting with Eichmann at his office, during which Eichmann gave him an intensive look at the current state of the “Solution of the Jewish Question in Europe” by the Third Reich.
@wackedhacker Haj Amin al-Husseini applied the maxim does not die right behind demands, in his life and struggle. Lived a man preoccupied with the question of Palestine until the last breath in his life. During his life called for the murder of Zionist organizations, saying: You must die in order to find Amin al-Husseini of Palestinians negotiate with us
@wackedhacker After his death, said one of the leaders of Israel: has been estimated to be established State of Israel in ten years or fifteen years from the commencement of the project, but Amin Al-Husseini made it needs to decades
@wackedhacker Mufti had contacts with the German leadership at the beginning of the war, and this is natural, almost all Arab countries, not including the enmity between Germany and the Second, Germany has become the enemy forces facing each from England and France, "both of which occupy most of the Arab countries."
@wackedhacker In a meeting with Hitler in 1941, a response of Hitler that these demands were premature, and that when the defeat of Allied forces in these areas comes as such a declaration, and then was surprised when the Secretary of the Al-Husseini in his meeting with the second composition of an Islamic Arab army of volunteers in North Africa and East average resistance to the Allies
@wackedhacker Hitler's response was "I am not afraid of international communism, and I fear the Zionist Anglo-American imperialism, but I fear most of all this political Islam International
@pharaos80 When Germany had defeated Russia and broken through the Caucasus into the Middle East, it would have no further imperial goals of its own and would support Arab liberation... But Hitler did have one goal. "Germany’s objective would then be solely the destruction of the Jewish element residing in the Arab sphere under the protection of British power". In short, Jews were not simply to be driven out of the German sphere but would be hunted down and destroyed even beyond it.
@pharaos80 on wikipedia you can add but people will correct you, you should also read the discussions, thats also a reason for citations and sources. check the sources, anything i copied from Wikipedia has a source.
@wackedhacker Sheikh al-Husseini was struggling for the freedom of Palestinians, who found themselves in a confrontation with Britain, France and the desire of the Jews in establishing their state on their land
@pharaos80 and the solution to that is to kill the Jews. the land did not belong to them, before it belonged to the ottoman empire, and the British took it from the Turks.
Besides that at the time nobody was bothering the Arabs living in Palestine, on the contrary the Arabs were constantly confronting the Jews.
Maybe before you comment you should learn a bit of history.
@wackedhacker Your solution is to kill Arabs ,right . Ottomans rule the whole middle east. This represents nothing. Jews who constantly confronting the Arabs
@pharaos80 i never said to kill the Arabs, before Israel was created the land did not belong to the"Palestinians", it belonged to the roman empire, then the Ottomans, and then the British.
In Palestine the Arabs were constantly rioting and confronting the Jews, killing Jews etc... it seems that you learnt your history from people who want to change history to make it more Islamic. but if you call yourself an educated person please go and learn history from "trusted" sources.
All those who think them want peace He or dumb or stupid,,, Muslims do not recognize any religion other than Islam, Judaism, Christianity and Buddhism, Qur'an verses can be seen on all orders every Muslim to fight To change their religions to Muslims. The desire of Muslims is not a state for Palestinians And that America will leave Iraq They want to rule the world alone Not peace but a forced They do not want freedom or democracy but tyranny......Movie name FITNA
all arab and muslim countries should bomb this fucking terrorist country = israel
fuck jews kill them all they're pure evil and this video and MANY MORE on youtube is a proof .. i piss on torah motherfuckers .. and american should open their fucking eyes and stop being a sheep for a long time
This world are simply disgusting.. all of you just licking asses.. it's interesting to see how this world blaming and blaming nonstop.. did anyone know what would happen if a stranger ship would be in the usa water? or russia? or any fucking country?!?
they would burn the ship alive, or probably would bomb them! then no one! no fucking one, have the stupid right to judge israel, or blame her.
its an occupied country and water> don't you ever heard about the right to resist the occupation ! that ship was a way to resist that occupation! your state is illegal because if u accept the return of the Palestinians that's mean the end of Israel as a state! what stronger proof u need more than that?
@wackedhacker Turkey occupied Northern Cypress because of the Greek Cypriots' genocide on the Turkish population of the Island back in the 70's. That is a different situation.
@61talya The United Nations Security Council has challenged the legality of Turkey's action, because Article Four of the Treaty of Guarantee gives the right to guarantors to take action with the sole aim of re-establishing the state of affairs.
@61talya The aftermath of Turkey's invasion, however, did not safeguard the Republic's sovereignty and territorial integrity, but had the opposite effect; such as the de facto partitioning of the Republic in two, the creation of a separate political entity in the north and the forceful expulsion of Greek Cypriots from it.
@wackedhacker I don't know about that...all I know is the island has been at peace since and maybe someday there could be 2 seperate states for both people to live peacefully.
@wackedhacker What..Turkish invasion of Cypress?? lol. Turkey occupied half the island to keep the Turkish Cypriots from being massacred from the Greeks, which was taking place in the 70's, but thanks for the suggestion anyway.oh and btw....Turkey is not starving the Greek Cypriots...and Cypress condemns Israel on this issue.
@61talya A large number of Turkish Cypriots, many of whom were forced to live in isolated enclaves and ghettoes throughout the island during the intercommunal violence between 1963 and 1974, chose to leave their homes in the south and moved to the north after 1974.
@61talya The United Nations still recognizes the sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus according to the terms of its independence in 1960. The conflict continues to affect Turkey's relations with Cyprus, Greece and the European Union.
@pharaos80 How does a country give its neighbors full rights exactly? Also, are you aware that Israel wanted to give Gaza back to Egypt but the Egyptians refused? They don't want that 'hornets nest' as much as Israel doesn't want it, even though the Gaza strip was under Egyptian rule until the 6-Day war. The Egyptians built a 10 meter tall - 10 meter deep - 1 meter thick wall on their side of the border with Gaza and enforce a much stricter blockade than Israel does, but only Israel gets bashed.
If Israelis are not convinced that they are living among people who are Muslims and speak Arabic, Persian and Turkish , in the middle east they can live with those who love and endorse,
you should leave idiot arguments called terrorism, which you justify your foolish actions by.
If you want to live in peace you must give your neighbors their full rights because your friends from overseas will not stay forever to protect you and then your strength of your army will not help you
israelis are good in propaganda, nothing justify killing innocent people with ((chairs and poles)) who are angry because of attacking and kidnapping their civilian ship by fully armed commandos troops who are not coming to welcome them of course,
one point of view, if the israelis feels that they did not do any thing wrong, why they afraid from fully independent and international investigation ?!
his is what is called Self-Defense ....yes...self defense because it is out side the Israeli(Palestinian ) water......anyway, this Nazi Israel will be punished sooner or later....
Read Gideon Levy haaretz ... He already has admitted what the isaeli soldier have done? and how the israeli gov. has broken the laws !!! so israeli people stop lying and admit your humanity crime ..... This time you made big a mistake and this time USA can't help you also !!!! YOU HAVE MURDERED INNOCENT PEOPLE IN INTERNATIONAL WATERS ......
Never start a fight you cannot finish. When has a humanitarian mission becomes a combat mission... Humanitarian assistance was not suppose to be violence. Those foolish people that attack a Soldier with iron bars, rods and whatever.. what does you expect a soldier to use in attacking back? a pair of his boots or his helmet. I say it again its only a fool will fight a man with Gun. . Some people are used to suicide.Humanitarian mission has taken a different dimension. "Humanitarian suicide"
@teenriot666 nobody says that they entered israeli waters, the were international waters and legally israel had the rights board the ship and to divert it to Ashdod.
From article "When Hitler became Abu Ali" by Julian Schvindlerman, June 7, 2002:
"When Hitler took power in 1933, telegrams of congratulations were dispatched from Arab capitals. In 1937, Nazi Minister of Propaganda Joseph Goebbels praised the Arabs' 'national and racial conscience,' noting that 'Nazi flags fly in Palestine and they adorn their houses with Swastikas and portraits of Hitler.'
In 1943, Heinrich Himmler, the head of the SS, spoke highly of the `natural alliance that exists between the National-Socialism of Great Germany and the freedom-loving Muslims of the world.'
"Pro-German parties and youth movements attuned to the trappings of National-Socialism sprouted in Syria, Morocco, Tunisia and Egypt. Even Nazi slogans were translated into Arabic.
"The Füehrer himself was even Islamicized under the new name of Abu Ali.
"Love of Nazism spread like wildfire in the region. Among the many Nazi sympathizers at the time were Haj Amin al-Husseini, Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and president of the Arab Higher Committee;
Ahmed Shukairi, first chairman of the Palestine Liberation Organization; Gamal Abdel Nasser and Anwar Sadat, who became presidents of Egypt; Islamic fundamentalist leaders; and the founders of the Pan-Arab socialist Ba'ath party, currently ruling Syria and Iraq. (One Ba'ath leader proudly recounted: 'We were racists, admiring Nazism, reading their books and sources of their thought. We were the first who thought of translating Mein Kampf.').
"Praise for Hitler among Arabs did not vanish after the war. In 1965, a Moroccan commentator on Middle East affairs wrote this in the French magazine Les Temps Modernes: 'A Hitlerian myth is being cultivated on a popular level. Hitler's massacre of the Jews is eulogized. It is even believed that Hitler did not die. His arrival is longed for.'
"In mid-2001, an Egyptian columnist wrote in the government-sponsored Al-Akhbar: 'Thank you, Hitler, of blessed memory, who on behalf of the Palestinians avenged in advance against the most vile criminals on Earth.' Two months later, Egypt's Press Syndicate awarded this writer its highest distinction.
"Since Hitler's ascent to power in 1933, the Arabs have been adulating Nazism. It seems that some things never change -- or perhaps some things do. Now the Arabs accuse the Jews of being Nazis. In this way, Hitler's loyal fans are equating the primary victims of his genocide with the Nazi executioners themselves.
Hajj Amin al-Husseini, the "father" of Palestinian people and Arafat's grandfather or uncle, was a friend of Hitler and Eichman. He was one of the major perpetrators of the Holocaust, involved in the murder of 500,000 Jews.
He was also leader of "The Great Arab Rebellion" - bloody riots in 1936-39 in British Palestine (supposedly against the British, but the main victims of which were Christian Arabs and Jews,)
co-leader in a coup that overturned the king of Iraq and initiated huge massacres of Jews there ("the Farhud"), the commander of the Bosnian division of the SS, the main propagandist over the Nazi radio broadcasts in Arabic, etc. etc. etc.
Find and read article "Muftism and Nazism" by Icelandic historian Snorri G. Bergsson.
"Eichmann... brought a blessing to humanity... Trial one day will end with liquidation of the remaining six million, so that his blood may be avenged."
- Jordanian English-language paper Jerusalem Times. April 24, 1961
Fuzi Salim Ali Madi, one of the leaders of Fatah's Force 17, which regularly shells Israel with Qassam rockets, goes by the name "Abu Hitler" and has named his two sons "Eichmann" and "Hitler."
Some Nazis fled to Argentina. They were haunted, some were found and put on trials in Israel, Germany, Italy, etc.
Others (about 8,000 officers of Wermacht and SS (!!!) fled to the Middle East. They were never prosecuted. Many became government officials, using the experience they had obtained earlier you know where.
They include:
Grand Mufti Hajj Amin al-Husseini.
His assistant Hasan Salama (Salameh). (Salama's son Ali Salama would later lead "Black September.")
Johannes fon Leers, one of the most odious Nazi propagandists, who used to work for Goebbels and Rosenberg. Fled to Egypt. He was the head of ODESSA, organization of former members of the SS. In Egypt, he became assistant of Johannes von Schubert at the Propaganda department. He was converted to Islam by the Mufti himself.
Joachim Daemling, former chief of the Gestapo in Dusseldorf, became the head of Egyptian concentration camps (!!!)
Otto Scorzeni went to Egypt in 1952 and encountered a whole community of former SS officers.
Scorzeni trained them, as well as Arab volunteers in commando tactics (i.e. terror). He also trained several Palestinians, and planned their initial strikes into Israel via the Gaza Strip in 1953-1954. One of these Palestinians was Yasser Arafat.
Kriebl, colonel in Nazi Armed Forces Staff, became head of reorganization of Syrian army.
Hanz Muller, high level officer under Rommel, fled to Syria and became Hossan Bey. Muller and the Grand Mufti created Arab-German Immigration Center, which helped move 7,000 former Wermacht officers to the Middle East.
Rapo, officer of the Gestapo, became head of Syrian intelligence.
Francois Genoud must be mentioned here, though he lived in Switzerland. Genoud was very close to Joseph Goebbels, he was the executor of Goebbels's last will and testament.
They were in international waters. Israeli soldiers had no right to board the ship. Based on that and knowing what Israeli soldiers do to civilians in Gaza they defended themselves. To understand the whole conflict its good to read about crusades.
lazarus921 2 months ago
You mean this flotilla a peace ship? Look how violent they can get and ready to die violently too. Shame on you Turkey, shame on you. Turkey should consider changing the country's name to Chicken, its more appropriate.
mrblurblur2003 1 year ago
There were clashes only on a single ship, the rest of the convoy was unharmed. Israel has the right to security and to stop its enemy (Hamas, Hesbollah) from getting its hands on weapons. They only wanted to scour the ship for weapons and not to stop aids reaching Gaza. If some use such actions to supply the Palestine with weaponry than this is no longer a civilian humanitarian action but a shear military one the Israeli have the right to intervene.
viniczai7 1 year ago
@earlyAMbirds For your information, i have already blocked you. So any @ to me will be a waste of time cos i won't receive it anymore. Bleeehhhh...
silentHS5 1 year ago
@earlyAMbirds Are you retarded? We are talking on the subject of Mavi Marmara. Why does where i live at has anything to do with anything? Those who became volunteers on the Mavi Marmara even include a Britain named Grace, who are obviously Christian. This is humanity issue. Or are you angry because only Israeli people support Jews since Jews are religion exclusive to Israeli, and jealous that Muslims from all race- China, Asia, America, Africa and Britain are not supporting u? Who's the bastard?
silentHS5 1 year ago
From the dialogue with you,I found that you do not want to correct information, or inquire about, but insists on charges, and you want to argue, not dialogue, this will be the last response, and thank you
pharaos80 1 year ago
@pharaos80 by dialog you mean that i should agree with you? i'm asking some valid questions, and because you can't answer, you say that i'm insisting on charging on you? nobody asked you to comment on the video that i uploaded, and it happens to be that you charged first by saying that the Israelis are wrong, I have to defend my position, so i'm asking on why you don't agree with me, so far it seem because you agree with Hamas.
wackedhacker 1 year ago
@pharaos80 and what do you consider correct information? just because thats what you were told and what you think doesn't mean that it's correct. the only way to find out the truth is by questioning, ohh i forgot in Islam you can't question!
wackedhacker 1 year ago
nice edit ... at 21 secs you can see a "ghost commando" disappearing in thin air from the rope LOL what else they edited here?
tytoso 1 year ago
Israel Forever! Long Live Israel from USA!
novazee 1 year ago
Ibn Hanbal, Musnad - “Prophet Muhammad said, "Lying is wrong, except in three things: the lie of a man to his wife to make her content with him; a lie to an enemy, for war is deception; or a lie to settle trouble between people.”
wackedhacker 1 year ago
wackedhacker Correctly. It reflects the vision of a man was a genius. He was ahead of his time. You should examine the words to see their depth and validity
pharaos80 1 year ago
I am very sorry that you are trying to carve out portions of the Hadith and the Koran to prove wrong ideas about Islam, and of course transferred from their places of hostile and unwilling to Islam, but I tell you it's all bring a response. I suggest you stop this useless arguments, which will not change the convictions of one of us. And welcome to respond to any inquiries from you about false and distorted information you have and thank you
pharaos80 1 year ago
What is the justification for this ugly song at your site that the government of Israel apologized for. It seems that your heart has been harsher than all the leaders of Israel, I'll let you what you are in
pharaos80 1 year ago
@pharaos80 my question to you is, which verses do you take literally and which ones do you do you need an interpretation. in Judaism there are rules on how to learn the Torah and how to interpret it. but at the end of the day you have to look at the Muslim, on how they behave to see what Islam says.
so are you ready to condemn Al-Qaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas, all the Arabs that rioted in Palestine and killed hundreds of Jews? or do you agree with them because thats what Islam says to do? cont
wackedhacker 1 year ago
@pharaos80 Are you ready to condemn the Syrians for firing shells on innocent Israeli farmers until 1967, the the massacres in Darfur, the massacre(genocide) of the Armenians, and many more?
wackedhacker 1 year ago
@wackedhacker give me your opinion about these well known events by Arabs:
1 - the massacre of the villages of Sheikh and senses on 31 December 1947, which killed nearly 30 people dead and wounded, mostly women and children
2 massacre in the village of Sasa 14 to 15 February 1948 which resulted in the destruction of 20 houses over the heads of their inhabitants and the death of 60 Arabs, mostly women and children
pharaos80 1 year ago
@pharaos80 December 31, 1947, The Palmach, an arm of the Haganah, attacked the town Balad al-Shaykh while the residents were asleep, firing from the slopes of Mount Carmel, in retribution for the killing of 39 Jews during the Haifa Oil Refinery massacre the day before, 30 December 1947,
wackedhacker 1 year ago
@pharaos80 which itself was in response to the attack by operatives of the Zionist paramilitary group, the Irgun, who threw a number of grenades at a crowd of 100 Arab day laborers who had gathered outside the main gate of the British-owned Haifa Oil refinery looking for work, resulting in 6 deaths and 42 wounded.
wackedhacker 1 year ago
@pharaos80 The Jewish agency condemned the Irgun for the "act of madness" that preceded the killing of Jewish workers at the Haifa oil refinery but at the same time authorized the raid on Balad al-Shaykh
wackedhacker 1 year ago
@wackedhacker 3 massacre in Rehovot February 27, 1948 in the city of Haifa, where a train was blown up Kantara which resulted in the deaths of 27 Arabs and injuring 36 others
4 massacre of Kafr El-Hussein, on 13 March 1948, the Haganah attack on the village and destroyed, resulting in the deaths of 30 Arabs. As committed in the twenty-seventh of the same month 2 massacres in the same position resulted in the deaths of 64 Arabs and injuring more than 120 others
pharaos80 1 year ago
@wackedhacker5 massacre of Deir Yassin on the ninth of April 1948 committed by military organizations argon and Stern has claimed the lives of some 260 Arab residents from the village
6 massacre of Nasir al-Din in the April 14, 1948 when troops ( units of Zionist military secret "undercover soldiers" )opened fire on the residents of the village completely destroyed with no survivors, only 40 Arab
pharaos80 1 year ago
@wackedhacker In 8 early July 1948 Palmach forces committed another massacre in Lod, and resulted in the deaths of 250 civilian Palestinians,
9 the massacre of Qalqilya in 10 October, in October 1953 resulted in the deaths of about 70 people
pharaos80 1 year ago
@wackedhacker 11 The IDF force on 29 March 1954 entered into the West Bank until it reached the village of Mkhalin near Bethlehem, where she had a quantity of bombs on population centers and set mines in the houses of the village, have resulted in killing 14 Arabs and injuring 14 others
pharaos80 1 year ago
@wackedhacker 13 The massacre of the Gaza Strip in two of the February 1955 massacre of 39 killed and 33 wounded, in the fourth and the fifth of April of 1956 the Israeli army artillery bombarded the city of Gaza, where killed 56 Arabs and injuring 103 others
pharaos80 1 year ago
@wackedhacker 15 On the thirtieth of May of the same year, the Zionist forces committed another massacre in the town of Khan Younis claimed the lives of 20 people and wounding 20 others, followed by another aggression in the first of September of the year killing 46 Arabs and injuring 50
pharaos80 1 year ago
@pharaos80 with all the massacres that you brought, although some of them are controversial, i personally condemn it, and from a Judaism prospective i condemn it.
(besides for the point that Zionism doesn't represent Judaism, orthodox religious Jews don't agree with Zionism). now do you condemn all the the massacres that the Arabs did? do you condemn terrorist act done by Hamas and the PLO in the name of Islam?
wackedhacker 1 year ago
@wackedhacker If they harm non-combatants and non-aggressors, and destroy property and terrorize peaceful citizens, I disagree. and they do not express Islam, and vice versa.
pharaos80 1 year ago
@pharaos80 So do you condemn Hamas? they harm non-combatants and non-aggressors, and destroy property and terrorize peaceful citizens.
wackedhacker 1 year ago
@wackedhacker Why deal with the groups perspective is not balanced. What do you say if I said that those groups that have killed Arabs (who are Jews in the end), representing the Jewish religion
pharaos80 1 year ago
@pharaos80 1. you don't get to decide who represents Judaism.
2. if you ask any Jew that is well versed in Torah and Talmud, he will tell that they are not the representatives of the Jews.
3. that is what puts it in prospective, why are there so many Islamic groups doing terrorist acts in the mid-east while there are so little Jewish groups? and why do all these groups get so much support from Muslims? after all you say that Islam is a peaceful religion!?
wackedhacker 1 year ago
wackedhacker 1 year ago
@pharaos80 and the only jewish one; Kach (banned by Israel government, membership is illegal).
Haganah, Irgun, and Lehi don't exist anymore
wackedhacker 1 year ago
@wackedhacker these events only till the year of 1955 and there are more and more till the year of 2010. if you want, I will mention all
pharaos80 1 year ago
@pharaos80 After all Islam is a Peaceful religion, Islam doesn't promote killing non-believers.
or maybe the Qur'an DOES call for killing!? and the peaceful times were just strategically move, to try getting people to convert to Islam?
wackedhacker 1 year ago
Jihad in Islam, its terms and provisions of the restrictions can not possibly be included in the framework of the so-called terrorism today is also common and some of the media. Terrorism in the contemporary term is: regulated use of illegal violence, or threat thereof, with a view to the loss of innocent lives, assassinations and hostage-taking and destruction of property and pollution of the environment, by any individual, group or organization or country
pharaos80 1 year ago
@pharaos80 the definition of terrorism is: the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear. not just using violence.
wackedhacker 1 year ago
@wackedhacker Correctly. What you are saying is true. Islam forbids the intimidation of the innocent people
pharaos80 1 year ago
@pharaos80 So do you condemn Hamas? do you think that such a group should be ruling Muslims? shouldn't they be prosecuted according to Islam.
wackedhacker 1 year ago
@pharaos80 and if there is no place for terrorism in Islam, why is it that most terrorist groups are Islamic?
wackedhacker 1 year ago
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pharaos80 1 year ago
“And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans....” (Surah 9:3)
wackedhacker 1 year ago
Sahih al-Bukhari - “The Prophet said, ‘If I take an oath and later find something else better than that, then I do what is better and expiate my oath.’”
wackedhacker 1 year ago
@wackedhacker He was not the prophet he was Abobakr when he swear not to spend on a poor man because of his bad manners then Allah said in Quran (([24.22] Let not those among you who are endued with grace and amplitude of means resolve by oath against helping their kinsmen, those in want, and those who have left their homes in Allah's cause: let them forgive and overlook: do you not wish that Allah should forgive you? For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.))
pharaos80 1 year ago
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pharaos80 1 year ago
In 1981, Muslim fanatics rioted in Cairo against the Coptic Christian population, murdering over 100 people.
wackedhacker 1 year ago
@wackedhacker The darkest pages of history, who was accused falsely by Islam in the modern era and does not represent Islam, but in the eyes of his enemies.
pharaos80 1 year ago
In 1950, half a million Hindus were butchered(by Muslims), and in 1971, during Bangladesh's war for independence from Pakistan, Pakistani(Muslim) soldiers murdered between 1.25 and 3 million Hindus and other religious minorities
wackedhacker 1 year ago
Ibn Khaldun (1332-1406), who was a jurist of the Maliki legal school affirmed the duty of Islam to gain power over other nations when he stated,
"In the Muslim community, the holy war is a religious duty, because of the universalism of the Muslim mission and (the obligation to) convert everybody to Islam either by persuasion or by force. Therefore, caliphate and royal authority are united in Islam, so that the person in charge can devote the available strength to both of them at the same."
wackedhacker 1 year ago
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pharaos80 1 year ago
@wackedhacker Jihad is of four kinds: jihad of the soul, the demons and jihad against the infidels, jihad against the hypocrites. And that the jihad of the soul Striving to learn the teachings, and work after learning, and advocacy, and patience on the hardships of the call to God Jihad the demons : The struggle to pay a person to cast doubts and desires, provoking doubts in the faith, and jihad on certainty of corrupt wills and desires,
pharaos80 1 year ago
Jihad the infidels and the hypocrites by heart and tongue, money and self
pharaos80 1 year ago
@pharaos80 by "self" you mean even if it will kill you? why should you get killed trying to "convince" someone? or maybe it means that you have to use all your resources to get them to convert? including lying, bribing, etc..? how do you fit it in with other verses that say to be violent?
wackedhacker 1 year ago
@wackedhacker The perception of the overall comprehensiveness of the texts of the Koran is true Sunnah of the Prophet shows that the basis for the relations of Muslims with other is the relationship of compassion, love and righteousness, communication and mutual understanding and peaceful coexistence, solidarity and love of goodness and guidance to all, says: cont.
pharaos80 1 year ago
@pharaos80 I have a question for you, please don't take it as an attack on you.
did you ever question the credibility of the Qur'an, the creditability of Muhammad? after all nobody saw him getting any message from G-D(Allah), In Judaism there are rules on how to believe someone when he says that he is prophet, are there any in Islam? The torah was given to over 600,000 Jews between the ages of 20 and 60 besides for the older men, the women and children, millions of Jews.
wackedhacker 1 year ago
@wackedhacker Asked Jewish cleric Medina: how to find the Messenger of Allah described in the Torah? He said: ((, born in Mecca and reach to the rule of Syria & not doing evil and do not call loudly in markets, and do not reward bad by bad, and forgive and pardon
pharaos80 1 year ago
@pharaos80 where does that say that? that Jewish cleric was a heretic. and just because Muhammad said that he's the prophet and the jews and the christians preverted the books doesn't mean it's true, because the jews and the christians say that the Qur'an is distorted, so why should anybody believe the muslims over the jews or the christians?
wackedhacker 1 year ago
@pharaos80 the muslims say that Muhammad is the prophet, christians say that jesus is the prophet and the messiah, and the jews say that neither of them is a prophet or the messiah, so who should i believe and why? i believe the jews because what was written in the Torah was given over to over 600,000 men between the age of 20 and 60, millions of people, and was told over from generation to generation(tradition), and goes back way before christianity and islam.
wackedhacker 1 year ago
@wackedhacker He also said: His nation thanks God in every case.mentioning his name in honor of all, shepherds of the sun, are praying the prayer if it came and voices in the night sky voices like Bees
pharaos80 1 year ago
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pharaos80 1 year ago
@wackedhacker You will find your answers At (islamweb.net) site
pharaos80 1 year ago
@pharaos80 and you call that a reliable source? how can it be reliable if it doesn't show the errors of both sides? if it's biased against Israel? and don't tell me because it's the truth. because we all know that Israel is not the only wrong one in the mid-east. BTW how do you explain you countries call to slaughter the Jews in 1967? Itbah Al-Yahud, no!? where were all you Muslim peace then?
wackedhacker 1 year ago
(49,13) O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise each other).Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full Knowledge and is well-acquainted (with all things).
pharaos80 1 year ago
[60, 8] Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just.
[60, 9] Allah only forbids you, with regard to those who fight you for (your) Faith, and drive you out, of your homes, and support (others) in driving you out, from turning to them (for friendship and protection). It is such as turn to them (in these circumstances), that do wrong.
pharaos80 1 year ago
Related to this relationship the concept of jihad, which had been misunderstood and applied in some cases, whether in the past or present
pharaos80 1 year ago
Jihad in the field of battle, which is referred to in the Qur'an the word "fight", in order to defend the self-reported aggression, as the consensus of scholars [(2.190) Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors. ][22,39] To those against whom war is made, permission is given (to fight), because they are wronged; and verily, Allah is Most Powerful for their aid]
pharaos80 1 year ago
[22, 40] (They are) those who have been expelled from their homes in defiance of right, (for no cause) except that they say, "Our Lord is Allah." Did not Allah check one set of people by means of another there would surely have been pulled down monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques, in which the name of Allah is commemorated in abundant measure. Allah will certainly aid those who aid His (cause); for verily Allah is Full of Strength, Exalted in Might, (able to enforce His Will).
pharaos80 1 year ago
Jihad conditions and severe restrictions on the Muslim behavior in the field of battle, such as not to harm non-combatants and non-aggressors, and not to destroy property and terrorize peaceful citizens
pharaos80 1 year ago
Islam abolished all kinds of fighting in order to devote personal benefit, or to perpetuate the glory of national or ethnic origin, or the acquisition of land and property of others, or fighting for coercion in religion and get people to enter Islam [(2. 256)Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error]
pharaos80 1 year ago
[10, 99]If it had been thy Lord's Will, they would all have believed, all who are on earth! Wilt thou then compel mankind, against their will, to believe!
[10, 100] No soul can believe, except by the Will of Allah, and He will place Doubt (or obscurity) on those who will not understand.
pharaos80 1 year ago
@wackedhacker nice edit ... at 21 secs you can see a "ghost commando" disappearing in thin air from the rope LOL what else they edited here?
tytoso 1 year ago
al-Baidawi (d. 1286) commenting on Surah 9:29,
"Fight Jews and Christians because they violated the origin of their faith and they do not believe in the religion of the truth (Islam), which abrogated all other religions. Fight them until they pay the poll-tax (Ziziya tax) with submission and humiliation."
wackedhacker 1 year ago
@wackedhacker 9:29, Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
pharaos80 1 year ago
[61.8] Their intention is to extinguish Allah's Light (by blowing) with their mouths: but Allah will complete (the revelation of) His Light, even though the Unbelievers may detest (it).
pharaos80 1 year ago
109.1] Say: O ye that reject Faith! [2] I worship not that which ye worship,
[3] Nor will ye worship that which I worship. [4] And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, [5] Nor will ye worship that which I worship. [6] To you be your Way, and to me mine.
pharaos80 1 year ago
@pharaos80 so if Israel would be ruled by Jews, then all the Jews would have to pay special taxes, just because they are not Muslims? maybe all the Arab Israelis should start paying taxes to live in Israel because they are not Jewish!?
wackedhacker 1 year ago
@wackedhacker It is the suspicions raised by the enemies of Islam, the issue of Al Jizyah that enveloped cast a bleak, black and interpretations, made non muslims live in the muslim lands shock at the mere mention of the name, it is in their tax humiliation, and punishment imposed on them compared to refrain from Islam (cont.)
pharaos80 1 year ago
@wackedhacker Indeed, it is not, what was but instead imposed the two obligatory prayers for Muslims, namely: Jihad and zakat, and given the religious nature of these which not required by non-Muslims. In the case of participation of non-Muslims in the military service and defense of the country, the tribute to their fall
pharaos80 1 year ago
@wackedhacker Take the tax from non-Muslims by equal (zakat), to equal the Muslims in the financial obligations, though not named as "Zakat" Given the sensitivity of this title given to the two teams. Need not also be called "tribute or Jizyah" as long as they refuse to do so. One of the rulers of Muslims call it the charity taxes instead of tribute . not to annoy them. As with labels not names
pharaos80 1 year ago
May Allah join our jewish brothers, our christian brothers, and the whole Muslim world together in peace, security and brother hood. amin...
adib811 1 year ago
I think Israel navy officers put an end to this discussion: ""First and foremost, we protest the fact that responsibility for the tragic results was immediately thrust onto the organizers of the flotilla," wrote the officers. "This demonstrates contempt for the responsibility that belongs principally to the hierarchy of commanders and those who approved the mission. This shows contempt for the values of professionalism, the purity of weapons and for human lives." (haaretz)
ornekali 1 year ago
If you look closely to the soldier who's coming down first. Then you will see that he's kicking a passenger hard in the face with his foot, directly after that action the passengers are handling in an accepted and allowed manner to defend them self against the soldiers. The soldiers didn't come to control, it seems they were there to kill.
atillakutlu86 1 year ago
@atillakutlu86 ofcourse..
before he gets to the ground they pulled the rope to try avoid the soldiers boarding.
KidDabura 1 year ago
Thousand 's of kassam rockets were launched into Isreal by iranian backed hamas before Isreal struck back during the last incursion . Isreal showed great restraint, if it were any other nation far less restraint would have been required to use force against their aggressors. Boarding ships is neccessary by the IDF to insure no arms, munitions or more rockets getting into palestine. Isreal is under a microscope by the anti -semetic , pro islamofascist un and international press.
woda556 1 year ago
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Get the facts guys before you talk in such explosive matters
"Suicide Activists on the Gaza Flotilla"
youtube.com/watch?v=jV6DVk04HkM
creatingfl 1 year ago
Muslims do not recognize any religion, Koran written Tkper, Holy War that says all Muslims To fight the infidels And kill them to believe in Islam,,,According to Islam who do not believe in Islam death sentence You see what a holy war for Muslims Not love and respect others No Freedom But total submission to Islam forcibly,,, You know what is written in our Torah...... Derech Eretz Torah preceded That means good manners and respect for others,,,,Before the Torah,,,,,, That's the difference,
8686thegame 1 year ago 4
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Although the records of Israeli soldiers murdering 19 people and injuring others were destroyed by the soldiers, the result is known. And nothing can make them justified. They have no right to get on people's ship without their permission (in international waters), they have no right to kidnap them, they have no right to kill them. So stop trying to wash their dirty hands by nonsense comments here.
Aprila09 1 year ago
@FJYardley People should think more. I like asking questions, and until the most important ones are answered, I stand by my convictions. So believe what you will, just please don't do it blindly.
RogerDodger69 1 year ago
@FJYardley : You imply at racism from either party by using the term "Kaffirs", and yet you do not know what I look like. You defend irrational faux-military tactics used in a highly dangerous boarding procedure, in "war time", on "enemy combatants", on "open internationsl waters", with "paintball guns". Any other commander would have disabled the boat propellers or barred passage but not put troops deliberately in harms way. So yeah, let's believe the "leaked video" shot with night vision.
RogerDodger69 1 year ago
One question to every one, why the jews were living in arab countries, till 1948 specially in Morocco, Tunisia & Egypt, because they were live in peace with muslims who believe in the right of every one to live. In the time they were humiliated & slaughtered by the Nazis , and the Inquisition in the dark middle ages of Europe. Is this the reward for palestinians to be murdered and expulsion from their land
pharaos80 1 year ago
@pharaos80 Jews lived in Morocco for some 2,000 years during which they sometimes enjoyed full rights and sometimes were slaughtered by the hundreds. In 1948, when the tiny newborn nation of Israel was founded following the UN resolution of Nov.29, 1947, Israel was attacked by the armies of 7 Arab nations. After the war, Jews were persecuted in the Arab countries and most of them left their homes leaving most of their money and belongings, because they weren't allowed to take it with them.
acemcjack 1 year ago
@pharaos80 your asking if thats how the Palestinians should be rewarded, but let me remind you that the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem (one of the Arabs leaders in Palestine) during WW2 encouraged and helped the Nazis kill Jews.
wackedhacker 1 year ago
@wackedhacker Do not try to stick the charge of one of the Nazi crimes of the Arabs. We do not have any hands with Hitler did to the Jews. The mere fact of a meeting between people does not explain anything. If the former U.S. Defense Secretary Rumsfeld met Saddam Does that explain you something. If Japan was the partner of Germany in WW2, is it was a partner of Hitler in the massacres of the Jews??
pharaos80 1 year ago
@pharaos80 Back in the summer of 1940 and again in February 1941, al-Hussayni submitted to the German government a draft declaration of German-Arab cooperation, containing a clause:
Germany and Italy recognize the right of the Arab countries to solve the question of the Jewish elements, which exist in Palestine and in the other Arab countries, as required by the national and ethnic (völkisch) interests of the Arabs, and as the Jewish question was solved in Germany and Italy.
wackedhacker 1 year ago
@pharaos80 On March 1, 1944, while speaking on Radio Berlin, al-Husayni (Grand Mufti of Jerusalem)said: 'Arabs, rise as one man and fight for your sacred rights. Kill the Jews wherever you find them. This pleases God, history, and religion. This saves your honor. God is with you.
wackedhacker 1 year ago
@pharaos80 On November 20, al-Husayni met the German Foreign Minister Joachim von Ribbentrop and was officially received by Adolf Hitler on November 28. He asked Hitler for a public declaration that "recognized and sympathized with the Arab struggles for independence and liberation, and that would support the elimination of a national Jewish homeland"
wackedhacker 1 year ago
@pharaos80 One of Adolf Eichmann's deputies, Dieter Wisliceny, stated after the war that the Mufti had actively encouraged the extermination of European Jews, and that he had had an elaborate meeting with Eichmann at his office, during which Eichmann gave him an intensive look at the current state of the “Solution of the Jewish Question in Europe” by the Third Reich.
wackedhacker 1 year ago
@wackedhacker Haj Amin al-Husseini applied the maxim does not die right behind demands, in his life and struggle. Lived a man preoccupied with the question of Palestine until the last breath in his life. During his life called for the murder of Zionist organizations, saying: You must die in order to find Amin al-Husseini of Palestinians negotiate with us
pharaos80 1 year ago
@wackedhacker After his death, said one of the leaders of Israel: has been estimated to be established State of Israel in ten years or fifteen years from the commencement of the project, but Amin Al-Husseini made it needs to decades
pharaos80 1 year ago
@wackedhacker Mufti had contacts with the German leadership at the beginning of the war, and this is natural, almost all Arab countries, not including the enmity between Germany and the Second, Germany has become the enemy forces facing each from England and France, "both of which occupy most of the Arab countries."
pharaos80 1 year ago
@wackedhacker In a meeting with Hitler in 1941, a response of Hitler that these demands were premature, and that when the defeat of Allied forces in these areas comes as such a declaration, and then was surprised when the Secretary of the Al-Husseini in his meeting with the second composition of an Islamic Arab army of volunteers in North Africa and East average resistance to the Allies
pharaos80 1 year ago
@wackedhacker Hitler's response was "I am not afraid of international communism, and I fear the Zionist Anglo-American imperialism, but I fear most of all this political Islam International
pharaos80 1 year ago
@pharaos80 When Germany had defeated Russia and broken through the Caucasus into the Middle East, it would have no further imperial goals of its own and would support Arab liberation... But Hitler did have one goal. "Germany’s objective would then be solely the destruction of the Jewish element residing in the Arab sphere under the protection of British power". In short, Jews were not simply to be driven out of the German sphere but would be hunted down and destroyed even beyond it.
wackedhacker 1 year ago
@pharaos80 please check wikipedia. org/wiki/Mohammad_Amin_al-Husayni
wackedhacker 1 year ago
@wackedhacker wikipedia site You can add what you want as a person without investigation or audit
pharaos80 1 year ago
@pharaos80 on wikipedia you can add but people will correct you, you should also read the discussions, thats also a reason for citations and sources. check the sources, anything i copied from Wikipedia has a source.
wackedhacker 1 year ago
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pharaos80 1 year ago
@wackedhacker Sheikh al-Husseini was struggling for the freedom of Palestinians, who found themselves in a confrontation with Britain, France and the desire of the Jews in establishing their state on their land
pharaos80 1 year ago
@pharaos80 and the solution to that is to kill the Jews. the land did not belong to them, before it belonged to the ottoman empire, and the British took it from the Turks.
Besides that at the time nobody was bothering the Arabs living in Palestine, on the contrary the Arabs were constantly confronting the Jews.
Maybe before you comment you should learn a bit of history.
wackedhacker 1 year ago
@wackedhacker Your solution is to kill Arabs ,right . Ottomans rule the whole middle east. This represents nothing. Jews who constantly confronting the Arabs
pharaos80 1 year ago
@pharaos80 i never said to kill the Arabs, before Israel was created the land did not belong to the"Palestinians", it belonged to the roman empire, then the Ottomans, and then the British.
In Palestine the Arabs were constantly rioting and confronting the Jews, killing Jews etc... it seems that you learnt your history from people who want to change history to make it more Islamic. but if you call yourself an educated person please go and learn history from "trusted" sources.
wackedhacker 1 year ago
@wackedhacker And before the Ottomans, Palestine belongs to whom?????
pharaos80 1 year ago
@pharaos80
Roman rule (63 BCE)
Byzantine (Eastern Roman) rule (330–640 CE)
Islamic period (630–1918 CE) Arab Caliphate rule (638–1099 CE) Umayyad rule (661–750 CE) Abbasid rule (750–969 CE) Fatimid rule (969–1099 CE)
Crusader rule (1099–1187 CE)
Mamluk rule (1270–1516 CE)
wackedhacker 1 year ago
All those who think them want peace He or dumb or stupid,,, Muslims do not recognize any religion other than Islam, Judaism, Christianity and Buddhism, Qur'an verses can be seen on all orders every Muslim to fight To change their religions to Muslims. The desire of Muslims is not a state for Palestinians And that America will leave Iraq They want to rule the world alone Not peace but a forced They do not want freedom or democracy but tyranny......Movie name FITNA
View on YOU TUBE.....
8686thegame 1 year ago 8
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all arab and muslim countries should bomb this fucking terrorist country = israel
fuck jews kill them all they're pure evil and this video and MANY MORE on youtube is a proof .. i piss on torah motherfuckers .. and american should open their fucking eyes and stop being a sheep for a long time
Deidaaraartisabang 1 year ago
We are the chosen people,,,,This is our country We the people of Israel and nobody can get us out of here,,,,only god,,, LONG LIVE ISRAEL
8686thegame 1 year ago 3
@8686thegame The big spaghetti monster told me that he choose this planet only for its devotee. Would you please leave the planet!
teenriot666 1 year ago
Israel was not doing anything wrong. Though the media is always going to paint them negatively. What can ya do.
comradeshow 1 year ago
This world are simply disgusting.. all of you just licking asses.. it's interesting to see how this world blaming and blaming nonstop.. did anyone know what would happen if a stranger ship would be in the usa water? or russia? or any fucking country?!?
they would burn the ship alive, or probably would bomb them! then no one! no fucking one, have the stupid right to judge israel, or blame her.
tommian9 1 year ago
@tommian9 tell me where in the world a terrorists stay alive after terror act? and get a ticket to fly back home?!?!?
none of you don't know what happened there! none! all you know it's just crap from the T.V..
then think about your things twice before you're speaking! stop being subjective!!
i'm completely sick of it , this hypocrisy is just totally disgusting!
tommian9 1 year ago
@tommian9
its an occupied country and water> don't you ever heard about the right to resist the occupation ! that ship was a way to resist that occupation! your state is illegal because if u accept the return of the Palestinians that's mean the end of Israel as a state! what stronger proof u need more than that?
moroc101 1 year ago
@moroc101 speaking of occupation, the Turkish are illegally occupying half of Cyprus.
wackedhacker 1 year ago
@wackedhacker Turkey occupied Northern Cypress because of the Greek Cypriots' genocide on the Turkish population of the Island back in the 70's. That is a different situation.
61talya 1 year ago
@61talya The United Nations Security Council has challenged the legality of Turkey's action, because Article Four of the Treaty of Guarantee gives the right to guarantors to take action with the sole aim of re-establishing the state of affairs.
wackedhacker 1 year ago
@61talya The aftermath of Turkey's invasion, however, did not safeguard the Republic's sovereignty and territorial integrity, but had the opposite effect; such as the de facto partitioning of the Republic in two, the creation of a separate political entity in the north and the forceful expulsion of Greek Cypriots from it.
wackedhacker 1 year ago
@wackedhacker I don't know about that...all I know is the island has been at peace since and maybe someday there could be 2 seperate states for both people to live peacefully.
61talya 1 year ago
@61talya check wikipedia. org/wiki/Turkish_invasion_of_Cyprus
wackedhacker 1 year ago
@wackedhacker What..Turkish invasion of Cypress?? lol. Turkey occupied half the island to keep the Turkish Cypriots from being massacred from the Greeks, which was taking place in the 70's, but thanks for the suggestion anyway.oh and btw....Turkey is not starving the Greek Cypriots...and Cypress condemns Israel on this issue.
61talya 1 year ago
@61talya A large number of Turkish Cypriots, many of whom were forced to live in isolated enclaves and ghettoes throughout the island during the intercommunal violence between 1963 and 1974, chose to leave their homes in the south and moved to the north after 1974.
wackedhacker 1 year ago
@61talya The United Nations still recognizes the sovereignty of the Republic of Cyprus according to the terms of its independence in 1960. The conflict continues to affect Turkey's relations with Cyprus, Greece and the European Union.
wackedhacker 1 year ago
wackedhacer i found a very interesing video;
to all muslims who complain about the "peacefull passengers" and all non muslims who don't know the truth
take alook at this video
Flotilla Passenger: "I Want to Be a Shahid"
watch?v=i8dn9jqsj-Y
KidDabura 1 year ago
@pharaos80 How does a country give its neighbors full rights exactly? Also, are you aware that Israel wanted to give Gaza back to Egypt but the Egyptians refused? They don't want that 'hornets nest' as much as Israel doesn't want it, even though the Gaza strip was under Egyptian rule until the 6-Day war. The Egyptians built a 10 meter tall - 10 meter deep - 1 meter thick wall on their side of the border with Gaza and enforce a much stricter blockade than Israel does, but only Israel gets bashed.
acemcjack 1 year ago
@acemcjack Israel wants to hand over Gaza to Egypt to protect the sake of Israel and to make Egypt take the responsibility for its security
Israel's own actions hostilities is responsible for the deterioration of security and your fear of tomorrow
pharaos80 1 year ago
If Israelis are not convinced that they are living among people who are Muslims and speak Arabic, Persian and Turkish , in the middle east they can live with those who love and endorse,
you should leave idiot arguments called terrorism, which you justify your foolish actions by.
If you want to live in peace you must give your neighbors their full rights because your friends from overseas will not stay forever to protect you and then your strength of your army will not help you
pharaos80 1 year ago
israelis are good in propaganda, nothing justify killing innocent people with ((chairs and poles)) who are angry because of attacking and kidnapping their civilian ship by fully armed commandos troops who are not coming to welcome them of course,
one point of view, if the israelis feels that they did not do any thing wrong, why they afraid from fully independent and international investigation ?!
pharaos80 1 year ago
@TehLazernetsRkewl And your forgetting that Israel has the rights to board the ship in international waters.
wackedhacker 1 year ago
@TehLazernetsRkewl and your forgetting that Israel has the rights to board the ship in international waters.
wackedhacker 1 year ago
his is what is called Self-Defense ....yes...self defense because it is out side the Israeli(Palestinian ) water......anyway, this Nazi Israel will be punished sooner or later....
screamji 1 year ago
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Read Gideon Levy haaretz ... He already has admitted what the isaeli soldier have done? and how the israeli gov. has broken the laws !!! so israeli people stop lying and admit your humanity crime ..... This time you made big a mistake and this time USA can't help you also !!!! YOU HAVE MURDERED INNOCENT PEOPLE IN INTERNATIONAL WATERS ......
TrMhMt 1 year ago
@TrMhMt nobody cares about what Gideon Levy has to say. he's doesn't speak for Israel, so it's any better than what other reporters have to say.
wackedhacker 1 year ago
Never start a fight you cannot finish. When has a humanitarian mission becomes a combat mission... Humanitarian assistance was not suppose to be violence. Those foolish people that attack a Soldier with iron bars, rods and whatever.. what does you expect a soldier to use in attacking back? a pair of his boots or his helmet. I say it again its only a fool will fight a man with Gun. . Some people are used to suicide.Humanitarian mission has taken a different dimension. "Humanitarian suicide"
MrDontcry11 1 year ago
i thought u gonna send these ppl to jail & court???? lol what a chicken gove. less than 24 h. they all sent home.Ardougan is the man ...
ntblb75 1 year ago
@ntblb75 according to international law they have to be sent back home, and not because of ardougan.
wackedhacker 1 year ago
@wackedhacker Justified with the accusation that they entered Israels territory illegally. Thats absolute bullshit.
teenriot666 1 year ago
@teenriot666 nobody says that they entered israeli waters, the were international waters and legally israel had the rights board the ship and to divert it to Ashdod.
wackedhacker 1 year ago
@wackedhacker The official reason of Israel for banishing them out of Israel is that entered Israels territory illegally.
teenriot666 1 year ago
ISRAEL GOVERNMENT = National Socacilism HITLER
xXBLaCkMirRoRXx 1 year ago
@xXBLaCkMirRoRXx, talking abgout Hitler.
From article "When Hitler became Abu Ali" by Julian Schvindlerman, June 7, 2002:
"When Hitler took power in 1933, telegrams of congratulations were dispatched from Arab capitals. In 1937, Nazi Minister of Propaganda Joseph Goebbels praised the Arabs' 'national and racial conscience,' noting that 'Nazi flags fly in Palestine and they adorn their houses with Swastikas and portraits of Hitler.'
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Kurtlane 1 year ago
In 1943, Heinrich Himmler, the head of the SS, spoke highly of the `natural alliance that exists between the National-Socialism of Great Germany and the freedom-loving Muslims of the world.'
"Pro-German parties and youth movements attuned to the trappings of National-Socialism sprouted in Syria, Morocco, Tunisia and Egypt. Even Nazi slogans were translated into Arabic.
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Kurtlane 1 year ago
A Mideast song popular in the late 1930s crooned:
'No more Monsieur,
No more Mister.
In Heaven Allah,
on Earth Hitler.'
"The Füehrer himself was even Islamicized under the new name of Abu Ali.
"Love of Nazism spread like wildfire in the region. Among the many Nazi sympathizers at the time were Haj Amin al-Husseini, Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and president of the Arab Higher Committee;
(cont.)
Kurtlane 1 year ago
Ahmed Shukairi, first chairman of the Palestine Liberation Organization; Gamal Abdel Nasser and Anwar Sadat, who became presidents of Egypt; Islamic fundamentalist leaders; and the founders of the Pan-Arab socialist Ba'ath party, currently ruling Syria and Iraq. (One Ba'ath leader proudly recounted: 'We were racists, admiring Nazism, reading their books and sources of their thought. We were the first who thought of translating Mein Kampf.').
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Kurtlane 1 year ago
"Praise for Hitler among Arabs did not vanish after the war. In 1965, a Moroccan commentator on Middle East affairs wrote this in the French magazine Les Temps Modernes: 'A Hitlerian myth is being cultivated on a popular level. Hitler's massacre of the Jews is eulogized. It is even believed that Hitler did not die. His arrival is longed for.'
(cont.)
Kurtlane 1 year ago
"In mid-2001, an Egyptian columnist wrote in the government-sponsored Al-Akhbar: 'Thank you, Hitler, of blessed memory, who on behalf of the Palestinians avenged in advance against the most vile criminals on Earth.' Two months later, Egypt's Press Syndicate awarded this writer its highest distinction.
(cont.)
Kurtlane 1 year ago
"Since Hitler's ascent to power in 1933, the Arabs have been adulating Nazism. It seems that some things never change -- or perhaps some things do. Now the Arabs accuse the Jews of being Nazis. In this way, Hitler's loyal fans are equating the primary victims of his genocide with the Nazi executioners themselves.
(end of article quote)
(cont.)
Kurtlane 1 year ago
Hajj Amin al-Husseini, the "father" of Palestinian people and Arafat's grandfather or uncle, was a friend of Hitler and Eichman. He was one of the major perpetrators of the Holocaust, involved in the murder of 500,000 Jews.
He was also leader of "The Great Arab Rebellion" - bloody riots in 1936-39 in British Palestine (supposedly against the British, but the main victims of which were Christian Arabs and Jews,)
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Kurtlane 1 year ago
co-leader in a coup that overturned the king of Iraq and initiated huge massacres of Jews there ("the Farhud"), the commander of the Bosnian division of the SS, the main propagandist over the Nazi radio broadcasts in Arabic, etc. etc. etc.
Find and read article "Muftism and Nazism" by Icelandic historian Snorri G. Bergsson.
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Kurtlane 1 year ago
"Eichmann... brought a blessing to humanity... Trial one day will end with liquidation of the remaining six million, so that his blood may be avenged."
- Jordanian English-language paper Jerusalem Times. April 24, 1961
Fuzi Salim Ali Madi, one of the leaders of Fatah's Force 17, which regularly shells Israel with Qassam rockets, goes by the name "Abu Hitler" and has named his two sons "Eichmann" and "Hitler."
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Kurtlane 1 year ago
Some Nazis fled to Argentina. They were haunted, some were found and put on trials in Israel, Germany, Italy, etc.
Others (about 8,000 officers of Wermacht and SS (!!!) fled to the Middle East. They were never prosecuted. Many became government officials, using the experience they had obtained earlier you know where.
They include:
Grand Mufti Hajj Amin al-Husseini.
His assistant Hasan Salama (Salameh). (Salama's son Ali Salama would later lead "Black September.")
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Kurtlane 1 year ago
Alois Brenner, assistant of Eichmann. He was last reported to be living in Syria.
Johannes von Schubert, Joseph Goebbels's deputy, became head of the Egyptian Propaganda department.
Leopold Gleim, chief of Hitler's personal guard, fled to Egypt and became Ali al-Nasher. He headed Egyptian secret police.
Bernhard Bender. Fled to Egypt and became colonel Ibn Salem.
Heinrich Zelman. Gruppenfuhrer SS. Became Hamid Suleiman, head of Egyptian security service.
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Kurtlane 1 year ago
Johannes fon Leers, one of the most odious Nazi propagandists, who used to work for Goebbels and Rosenberg. Fled to Egypt. He was the head of ODESSA, organization of former members of the SS. In Egypt, he became assistant of Johannes von Schubert at the Propaganda department. He was converted to Islam by the Mufti himself.
Joachim Daemling, former chief of the Gestapo in Dusseldorf, became the head of Egyptian concentration camps (!!!)
(cont.)
Kurtlane 1 year ago
Otto Scorzeni went to Egypt in 1952 and encountered a whole community of former SS officers.
Scorzeni trained them, as well as Arab volunteers in commando tactics (i.e. terror). He also trained several Palestinians, and planned their initial strikes into Israel via the Gaza Strip in 1953-1954. One of these Palestinians was Yasser Arafat.
Kriebl, colonel in Nazi Armed Forces Staff, became head of reorganization of Syrian army.
(cont.)
Kurtlane 1 year ago
Hanz Muller, high level officer under Rommel, fled to Syria and became Hossan Bey. Muller and the Grand Mufti created Arab-German Immigration Center, which helped move 7,000 former Wermacht officers to the Middle East.
Rapo, officer of the Gestapo, became head of Syrian intelligence.
Francois Genoud must be mentioned here, though he lived in Switzerland. Genoud was very close to Joseph Goebbels, he was the executor of Goebbels's last will and testament.
(cont.)
Kurtlane 1 year ago